RE: [NF] Drive partition size
-Original Message- Hi Whil, I'm on the road and won't be back till next week to give full details, but some of the stuff I remember Recovered work files from my brother's hard drive from the time he was supervising the building of a jail and court house near Toronto. You wouldn't believe what they put in place. Cameras in every cell. Some kind of equipment that reminded me of a torture cell. Recovered files from my friend's young teenage son with weird porno, gothic cartoons with techno extra terrestrial themes. Wanted to keep this to show the kid what he used to collect. A lot of recovered files from long ago clients just in case I needed to remind them of stuff they did and didn't pay for the recovery. Probably I should go back and reformat that drive to protect the innocent and the not so innocent. When are you having your Great Lakes Open Source Application Development conference? I enjoyed last year's Great Lakes Great Database Workshop. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whil Hentzen (Pro*) Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Drive partition size Alan Lukachko wrote: > I have one WinXP 180GB C: drive on my main machine. I have a NAS of 1.6 TB > to hold data, photos, documents and backups of systems. My wife's machine > has a 80GB divided into 3 partitions C: 20GB W2K programs, D: 40GB documents > and photos and E: 20GB just plain weird stuff. Alan, I think we'd all like to know what qualifies as "just plain weird stuff". Examples are good. Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Drive partition size
Alan Lukachko wrote: > I have one WinXP 180GB C: drive on my main machine. I have a NAS of 1.6 TB > to hold data, photos, documents and backups of systems. My wife's machine > has a 80GB divided into 3 partitions C: 20GB W2K programs, D: 40GB documents > and photos and E: 20GB just plain weird stuff. Alan, I think we'd all like to know what qualifies as "just plain weird stuff". Examples are good. Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Drive partition size
Cool setup with a 1.6Tb NAS device. I have not tried to centralize to that point yet. I have about 14 external USB2 HDD units that have between 300Gb and 500Gb each. There is a parallel set of the same drives off-site. Every month I rotate between the units on-site and off-site, so if anything terrible happened to our home I would lose no more than 1-2 months of data. The upside to having individual units for backup is I spread the risk of a backup unit failure, but I also have more units that could fail . Also, my backups run pretty darned fast as the signals are not fired over the LAN (100vg, no packet collisions, very fast net throughput). But the thought of having a single unit to swap monthly is also intriguing as it is a PITA to swap 14 devices each month. Takes the better part of a 1/2 day to make certain everything is working as expected. The suitcase I transport & store the off-site units in is also pretty heavy when loaded up ... This system has worked well for me for quite some time, with an image blown per PC weekly, one full file-by-file backup weekly, and incremental backups the remainder of the week. I rest easily re: data loss exposure. Gil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Lukachko > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:23 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [NF] Drive partition size > > > I have one WinXP 180GB C: drive on my main machine. I have a NAS of 1.6 TB > to hold data, photos, documents and backups of systems. My wife's machine > has a 80GB divided into 3 partitions C: 20GB W2K programs, D: > 40GB documents > and photos and E: 20GB just plain weird stuff. > > My lap has one WinXP 60GB drive. I also has a rack mount 2U with > a 200GB to > do fresh installs of various Windows and Linux Oss. I've experimented with > different sized partitions. I don't see a noticeable speed > enhancement. But > then maybe most of the apps are small and fast to begin with on the > rackmount. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of James E Harvey > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:13 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [NF] Drive partition size > > Is there a "recommended" drive size for the "C" drive in a > partitioned hard > drive? > > I'm getting a new pc with a 250G HDD. > > I thought I'd just have software installed on the "C" drive, and > everything > else on the "D" drive. > > > > James E Harvey > Corresponding Officer/M.I.S. > bus: 717-637-8931 > fax: 717-637-6766 > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Drive partition size
I have one WinXP 180GB C: drive on my main machine. I have a NAS of 1.6 TB to hold data, photos, documents and backups of systems. My wife's machine has a 80GB divided into 3 partitions C: 20GB W2K programs, D: 40GB documents and photos and E: 20GB just plain weird stuff. My lap has one WinXP 60GB drive. I also has a rack mount 2U with a 200GB to do fresh installs of various Windows and Linux Oss. I've experimented with different sized partitions. I don't see a noticeable speed enhancement. But then maybe most of the apps are small and fast to begin with on the rackmount. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James E Harvey Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Drive partition size Is there a "recommended" drive size for the "C" drive in a partitioned hard drive? I'm getting a new pc with a 250G HDD. I thought I'd just have software installed on the "C" drive, and everything else on the "D" drive. James E Harvey Corresponding Officer/M.I.S. bus: 717-637-8931 fax: 717-637-6766 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Drive partition size
>>> I'm getting a new pc with a 250G HDD. > >>> I thought I'd just have software installed on the "C" drive, and everything >>> else on the "D" drive. > > Personally, I have two hard drives(dual 200GB SATA's I bought years > ago)-- the C:\ drive I use for system and anything I can lose, and if > something's really important and I don't want to lose it, I put it on > D:\(seperate physical drive). I tried mirror'd raid(hardware and > software) before, but it was too slow for my tastes. Having two > physical drives lets you backup from one to the other as well, along > with your less frequent network/tape/DVD backup. I now have a slick > rsync setup to sync changed files to a small linux box I built for > that purpose(and the super-important stuff to an off-site server via > the internet). That would be even better, but the OP said one drive. > >> Which is, of course, the way it ought to be. Stupid MSFT never cared >> about segregating software and data, burying user data and settings in >> the bowels of the C drive. (rant note: Linux, by design, keeps these >> things separate, which is one reason I took to it so comfortably.) > > Most Linux distribs, and even many Linux 'gurus' I've talked to in > recent years don't bother with partitioning the way we did in the > past. No seperate /, /boot, /var, /home/, /usr/, and swap. Most say > just / and swap. I must disagree - you gotta have /home on a separate partition. That way you can mess with the rest of the box and not touch /home. If your box is still running RH 6 and you haven't reinstalled in 7 years, then, yeah, you could live that way, but I don't do the /var, /usr, etc. partitions because it gets too hard to guess how big each needs to be. Although FC's lvm makes resizing easier, well, just not my personality. > >> I move mysql and such to a /home/data dir.) > > But mysql data is constantly accessed data, spool, and log files, > which would typically be in the /var partition by general Linux > partitioning rules(or at least those of 2.0 kernel when I last > bothered)... Yeah, I know. You point them all to the same place, basically replacing /var with /home/data. A little bit easier, but this is personal preference. The bottom line, for me, is to keep data on a separate partition. On a separate drive, even better. A separate box (file server??? ) even better... It does NOT belong in c:/documents and settings and all sorts of other garbage/. Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Drive partition size
Disk space is cheap. I just toss in another big honker when needed, and run single partitions on all Hard Drives, except for the few dual-boot PCs I have. I used to partition my drives years ago to get maximum storage efficiency when a 1Gb HDD ran $800 (yes, eight hundred!). With FAT16/FAT32, The more you store the more space is wasted due to progressively larger minimum bytes used per cluster. Here are two of the resources I found that do a decent job of explaining the efficiency problem. http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file/part.htm http://www.smartcomputing.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles/archive /l0901/39l01/39l01.asp (NTFS efficiency explained) But, with Hard Drives selling for so cheap now I look more at ease of use and cost be damned. I far prefer to run everything on Drive C, which is what pretty much of my client machines do as well. So, what the hell? I try to run in a similar environment for some semblance of consistency between my machinery and theirs. Less to deal with. Gil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Roche > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [NF] Drive partition size > > > On 1/31/07, James E Harvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there a "recommended" drive size for the "C" drive in a > partitioned hard > > drive? > > > > I'm getting a new pc with a 250G HDD. > > > > I thought I'd just have software installed on the "C" drive, > and everything > > else on the "D" drive. > > > > primary partitions > 25 Gb C: drive for OS and "Program Files" > 200 Gb D: drive for data > 4 Gb E: drive for windows swap and for hibernation > > extended partition > 4 Gb for a Knoppix install with all the extras (to reset your Windows > passwords when it breaks, for example, or to recover files from NTFS > when Windows refuses to boot) > 17 Gb for an experimental Linux install (Ubuntu or Fedora or SuSE) - > you'll like it! - possibly broken up as /boot, /swap, /var, /home, > /root, depending on who you want to listen too, but free space for you > to experiment with. > > -- > Ted Roche > Ted Roche & Associates, LLC > http://www.tedroche.com > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Drive partition size
Hi 40 Gb Drive C 40 Gb Drive D Programs 20 Gb Drive E Development 140Gb Drive F Movies, books, pictures, etc E. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Drive partition size
If you are merely partitioning the same drive, then I don't see the big deal of using a different partition over using a c:\data\... folder. Ideally, you would have one drive that contains the OS and program files and another for data. I've even done it where the program files are stored on the second drive, but if the OS crashes, you'll be reinstalling anyway. I prefer to have two drives when possible. Having said that, my laptop has a 120 gig drive that was split down the middle when I got it and I store data and downloads mostly on the D: partition. The OS and program files are on c: John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Kalweit Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:50 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Drive partition size > One advantage of a small Windows partition is that it's easier to backup. > > My C drive is only 10Gb and it's about 50% full. Only Windows and > Program files live on C, any data (pictures, mp3s etc) live on D, > which is 140Gb. > > I can easily boot from a USB stick and burn a Ghost image to DVD. > This means I can restore Windows in about 10 minutes. Selective stuff > on D I only perodically backup, and most stuff I don't bother. That's a valid argument. Not one I'd use, however-- I am careful to keep my data backed up daily, so that if I have a disaster of sorts, I can load a fresh Windows install and be running within a few hours without the bloat of a 'used' Windows install... -- Derek [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Drive partition size
> > without the bloat of a 'used' Windows install... > If you take the image immediately after the initial install and setting up > there is no bloat and the image can be used to reduce bloat by restoring it. But then it doesn't have any applications or windows updates, at which point, what's the point? Just install fresh from the CD/DVD... I know a lot of people do the ghosting thing, but other than limited use in a production or testing environment(this being replaced with VM's these days) stamping out installs, I personally haven't seen a whole lot of use for it. -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Drive partition size
> without the bloat of a 'used' Windows install... > If you take the image immediately after the initial install and setting up there is no bloat and the image can be used to reduce bloat by restoring it. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Drive partition size
> One advantage of a small Windows partition is that it's easier to backup. > > My C drive is only 10Gb and it's about 50% full. Only Windows and > Program files live on C, any data (pictures, mp3s etc) live on D, > which is 140Gb. > > I can easily boot from a USB stick and burn a Ghost image to DVD. > This means I can restore Windows in about 10 minutes. Selective stuff > on D I only perodically backup, and most stuff I don't bother. That's a valid argument. Not one I'd use, however-- I am careful to keep my data backed up daily, so that if I have a disaster of sorts, I can load a fresh Windows install and be running within a few hours without the bloat of a 'used' Windows install... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Drive partition size
I *always* set aside a separate partition for OS and apps which I then make a ghost image of. That way if I get problems I can always restore a known good copy of my apps and OS. It also means that all the data I need to backup is on a single drive and I don't have to go trawling through M$'s idea of where things should be stored when I do my backups. It can get quite interesting persuading some apps to store their data on D; though :-) John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 > I'd personally say don't bother partitioning-- just use one large > partition. I've seen pretty much no benefit in the recent past from > partitioning, and just had headache when the limits of the "c:\" drive > was hit, many software apps(though sometimes customizable, but always > a pain vs. hitting 'enter') put 'data' on the c:\ drive, etc. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Drive partition size
On 1/31/07, Derek Kalweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is there a "recommended" drive size for the "C" drive in a partitioned > > > hard > > > drive? > > > > It depends on what you're going to use the box for and what/how much > > you're going to install on it. > > I'd personally say don't bother partitioning-- just use one large > partition. I've seen pretty much no benefit in the recent past from > partitioning, and just had headache when the limits of the "c:\" drive > was hit, many software apps(though sometimes customizable, but always > a pain vs. hitting 'enter') put 'data' on the c:\ drive, etc. One advantage of a small Windows partition is that it's easier to backup. My C drive is only 10Gb and it's about 50% full. Only Windows and Program files live on C, any data (pictures, mp3s etc) live on D, which is 140Gb. I can easily boot from a USB stick and burn a Ghost image to DVD. This means I can restore Windows in about 10 minutes. Selective stuff on D I only perodically backup, and most stuff I don't bother. -- Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Drive partition size
On 1/31/07, James E Harvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a "recommended" drive size for the "C" drive in a partitioned hard > drive? > > I'm getting a new pc with a 250G HDD. > > I thought I'd just have software installed on the "C" drive, and everything > else on the "D" drive. > primary partitions 25 Gb C: drive for OS and "Program Files" 200 Gb D: drive for data 4 Gb E: drive for windows swap and for hibernation extended partition 4 Gb for a Knoppix install with all the extras (to reset your Windows passwords when it breaks, for example, or to recover files from NTFS when Windows refuses to boot) 17 Gb for an experimental Linux install (Ubuntu or Fedora or SuSE) - you'll like it! - possibly broken up as /boot, /swap, /var, /home, /root, depending on who you want to listen too, but free space for you to experiment with. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Drive partition size
> > Is there a "recommended" drive size for the "C" drive in a partitioned hard > > drive? > > It depends on what you're going to use the box for and what/how much > you're going to install on it. I'd personally say don't bother partitioning-- just use one large partition. I've seen pretty much no benefit in the recent past from partitioning, and just had headache when the limits of the "c:\" drive was hit, many software apps(though sometimes customizable, but always a pain vs. hitting 'enter') put 'data' on the c:\ drive, etc. > > I'm getting a new pc with a 250G HDD. > > I thought I'd just have software installed on the "C" drive, and everything > > else on the "D" drive. Personally, I have two hard drives(dual 200GB SATA's I bought years ago)-- the C:\ drive I use for system and anything I can lose, and if something's really important and I don't want to lose it, I put it on D:\(seperate physical drive). I tried mirror'd raid(hardware and software) before, but it was too slow for my tastes. Having two physical drives lets you backup from one to the other as well, along with your less frequent network/tape/DVD backup. I now have a slick rsync setup to sync changed files to a small linux box I built for that purpose(and the super-important stuff to an off-site server via the internet). > Which is, of course, the way it ought to be. Stupid MSFT never cared > about segregating software and data, burying user data and settings in > the bowels of the C drive. (rant note: Linux, by design, keeps these > things separate, which is one reason I took to it so comfortably.) Most Linux distribs, and even many Linux 'gurus' I've talked to in recent years don't bother with partitioning the way we did in the past. No seperate /, /boot, /var, /home/, /usr/, and swap. Most say just / and swap. Unless you have to achieve some great performance by segregating your /var partition from the rest, etc., I really don't see the point of partitioning a single drive anymore(beyond / and swap). > I'd say 20 GB would be way more than enough for C. I've got a W2K box > with a 6GB C drive and it regularly runs out of room. Another box with > 12 GB is very comfortable, but I don't load it up with a lot of stuff. > If you're worried, make it 25 - the difference between a 225 and a 230 D > drive isn't much. Yeah-- you'll NEVER have 25GB of program files... ;-) > I move mysql and such to a /home/data dir.) But mysql data is constantly accessed data, spool, and log files, which would typically be in the /var partition by general Linux partitioning rules(or at least those of 2.0 kernel when I last bothered)... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Drive partition size
James E Harvey wrote: > Is there a "recommended" drive size for the "C" drive in a partitioned hard > drive? It depends on what you're going to use the box for and what/how much you're going to install on it. > I'm getting a new pc with a 250G HDD. > > I thought I'd just have software installed on the "C" drive, and everything > else on the "D" drive. Which is, of course, the way it ought to be. Stupid MSFT never cared about segregating software and data, burying user data and settings in the bowels of the C drive. (rant note: Linux, by design, keeps these things separate, which is one reason I took to it so comfortably.) Anyway, supposing you're going to be using this as a typical dev machine, not a ton of new apps but you still want room to grow... I'd say 20 GB would be way more than enough for C. I've got a W2K box with a 6GB C drive and it regularly runs out of room. Another box with 12 GB is very comfortable, but I don't load it up with a lot of stuff. If you're worried, make it 25 - the difference between a 225 and a 230 D drive isn't much. My Linux boxes have 20 GB (out of 100+) for what you would call the 'C' drive contents; the rest I leave to data. (For those of you Linux folks, that means a 100 MB /boot, an 80 GB /home dir, and 20 GB for /. I move mysql and such to a /home/data dir.) Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Drive partition size
Is there a "recommended" drive size for the "C" drive in a partitioned hard drive? I'm getting a new pc with a 250G HDD. I thought I'd just have software installed on the "C" drive, and everything else on the "D" drive. James E Harvey Corresponding Officer/M.I.S. bus: 717-637-8931 fax: 717-637-6766 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
