[OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Leland Jackson]

The DOJ is building a huge database that could eventually hold a dossier 
on every citizen in the country.  Humm, this could lead to a society 
where there are no more secrets; no more privacy.

#--


  Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears


Size and Scope of the Interagency Investigative Tool Worry Civil
Libertarians

By Dan Eggen 
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, December 26, 2006; Page A07

The Justice Department is building a massive database that allows state 
and local police officers around the country to search millions of case 
files from the FBI, Drug Enforcement Administration and other federal 
law enforcement agencies, according to Justice officials.

The system, known as "OneDOJ," already holds approximately 1 million 
case records and is projected to triple in size over the next three 
years, Justice officials said. The files include investigative reports, 
criminal-history information, details of offenses, and the names, 
addresses and other information of criminal suspects or targets, 
officials said.

The database is billed by its supporters as a much-needed step toward 
better information-sharing with local law enforcement agencies, which 
have long complained about a lack of cooperation from the federal 
government.

But civil-liberties and privacy advocates say the scale and contents of 
such a database raise immediate privacy and civil rights concerns, in 
part because tens of thousands of local police officers could gain 
access to personal details about people who have not been arrested or 
charged with crimes.

The little-noticed program has been coming together over the past year 
and a half. It already is in use in pilot projects with local police in 
Seattle, San Diego and a handful of other areas, officials said. About 
150 separate police agencies have access, officials said.

But in a memorandum sent last week to the FBI, U.S. attorneys and other 
senior Justice officials, Deputy Attorney General Paul J. McNulty 
announced that the program will be expanded immediately to 15 additional 
regions and that federal authorities will "accelerate . . . efforts to 
share information from both open and closed cases."

Eventually, the department hopes, the database will be a central 
mechanism for sharing federal law enforcement information with local and 
state investigators, who now run checks individually, and often 
manually, with Justice's five main law enforcement agencies: the FBI, 
the DEA, the U.S. Marshals Service, the Bureau of Prisons and the Bureau 
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Within three years, officials said, about 750 law enforcement agencies 
nationwide will have access.

In an interview last week, McNulty said the goal is to broaden the pool 
of data available to local and state investigators beyond systems such 
as the National Crime Information Center, the FBI-run repository of 
basic criminal records used by police and sheriff's deputies around the 
country.

By tapping into the details available in incident reports, interrogation 
summaries and other documents, investigators will dramatically improve 
their chances of closing cases, he said.

"The goal is that all of U.S. law enforcement will be able to look at 
each other's records to solve cases and protect U.S. citizens," McNulty 
said. "With OneDOJ, we will essentially hook them up to a pipe that will 
take them into its records."

McNulty and other Justice officials emphasize that the information 
available in the database already is held individually by the FBI and 
other federal agencies. Much information will be kept out of the system, 
including data about public corruption cases, classified or sensitive 
topics, confidential informants, administrative cases and civil rights 
probes involving allegations of wrongdoing by police, officials said.

But civil-liberties and privacy advocates -- many of whom are already 
alarmed by the proliferation of federal databases -- warn that granting 
broad access to such a system is almost certain to invite abuse and lead 
to police mistakes.

Barry Steinhardt, director of the Technology and Liberty Project at the 
American Civil Liberties Union, said the main problem is one of "garbage 
in, garbage out," because case files frequently include erroneous or 
unproved allegations.

"Raw police files or FBI reports can never be verified and can never be 
corrected," Steinhardt said. "That is a problem with even more formal 
and controlled systems. The idea that they're creating another whole 
system that is going to be full of inaccurate information is just chilling."

Steinhardt noted that in 2003, the FBI announced that it would no longer 
meet the Privacy Act's accuracy requirements for the National Crime 
Information Center, its main criminal-background-check database, which 
is used by 80,000 law enforcement agencies acro

RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
=> 
=> The DOJ is building a huge database that could eventually 
=> hold a dossier on every citizen in the country.  Humm, 
=> this could lead to a society where there are no more 
=> secrets; no more privacy.
=> 

This means nothing these days.  With the recent extension of the PATRIOT Act, 
no reason is needed to arrest or incarcerate anyone.  Repeat, NO reason, not a 
one, not a scintilla of one.  And forget about habeas corpus too.

B+
HALinNY



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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Leland Jackson]

It means something in the overall big picture of the "War on 
Terrorism".  The "War on Terrorism" is a fabricated pretext to usher in 
the PNAC agenda.  The PNAC agenda is to ensure American and Israel will 
be the sole super powers of the world.  The PNAC is made up of 
"Neoconservatives", (eg Zionist War Zealots), who want to protect 
Israel, control the ME and its oil reserves and thus the wealth of the 
world, and preempt any threat to American and Israeli dominance in the 
world.  Israel's doctrine of preemption includes targeting threats, 
whether they be countries or individuals,  and summarily 
eliminating/executing them.  The new DOJ database is just part of this 
new world order, along with the remaking of the Supreme Court, increased 
executive branch powers at the expense of constitution guarantees and 
checks and balances, and more control over the general population, at 
the expense of constitutional freedoms.

Regards,

LelandJ


Hal Kaplan wrote:

>=> Subject: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
>=> 
>=> The DOJ is building a huge database that could eventually 
>=> hold a dossier on every citizen in the country.  Humm, 
>=> this could lead to a society where there are no more 
>=> secrets; no more privacy.
>=> 
>
>This means nothing these days.  With the recent extension of the PATRIOT Act, 
>no reason is needed to arrest or incarcerate anyone.  Repeat, NO reason, not a 
>one, not a scintilla of one.  And forget about habeas corpus too.
>
>B+
>HALinNY
>
>
>
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RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
=> 
=> It means something in the overall big picture of the "War on 
=> Terrorism".  The "War on Terrorism" is a fabricated pretext 
=> to usher in the PNAC agenda.  The PNAC agenda is to ensure 
=> American and Israel will be the sole super powers of the 
=> world.  The PNAC is made up of "Neoconservatives", (eg 
=> Zionist War Zealots), who want to protect Israel, control 
=> the ME and its oil reserves and thus the wealth of the 
=> world, and preempt any threat to American and Israeli 
=> dominance in the world.  Israel's doctrine of preemption 
=> includes targeting threats, whether they be countries or 
=> individuals,  and summarily eliminating/executing them.  The 
=> new DOJ database is just part of this new world order, along 
=> with the remaking of the Supreme Court, increased executive 
=> branch powers at the expense of constitution guarantees and 
=> checks and balances, and more control over the general 
=> population, at the expense of constitutional freedoms.
=> 
=> Regards,
=> 
=> LelandJ
=> 

Exactly.  I agree 110% (with the exception of the Zionists who are not 
instigators as much as simply riding the crest of the wave as the only ME 
people who can be trusted over the long haul).  And that is just the tip of the 
iceberg.  So what's the big deal about adding this database to the "arsenal"?  
This is very minor and of little consequence in terms of the big picture, as is 
the recent election and its forthcoming impact on our representative government.

B+
HALinNY


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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Ed Leafe]

On Dec 26, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Hal Kaplan wrote:

> This means nothing these days.  With the recent extension of the  
> PATRIOT Act, no reason is needed to arrest or incarcerate anyone.   
> Repeat, NO reason, not a one, not a scintilla of one.  And forget  
> about habeas corpus too.

That's not true. American citizens have the same Constitutional  
protections they always have; these changes only apply to enemy  
combatants.

Of course, all it takes to become an "enemy combatant" is for the  
government to say you are...

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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Leland Jackson]

Many of President Bush's cabinet and political appointments are 
Neoconservatives, (eg Zionist War Zealot), that live in the US, but have 
dual citizenship in both the US and Israel.  They are not instigators of 
the "War on Terrorism"; they created it.

If we want to preserve our American heritage and freedoms, all Americans 
need to be educated about the dangers of the direction in which the PNAC 
is leading the US.  We can preserve our freedom and the American way of 
life using the democratic vote as our weapon.  If the country continues 
in the wrong direction, we will find ourself living under a morph 
democracy, which limits our choices of official we can elect to office 
and our freedoms.  Protection of the American people and constitutional 
freedom are no mutually exclusive goals.  Both can be achieve with the 
right balance.

When I first moved to Abilene, Texas in 1979, city politics were control 
by a small group of influential Abilenians organized under the banner of 
"Citizens For Responsible Government".  Whoever this group decided to 
support for city council was a shoe-in.  This seemed odd to me having 
come from Dallas, Texas, as the "Citizens for Responsible Government" 
never consulted me, or anyone else,  about what was wanted by the 
population of Abilene as a representative to the city council.  America 
could slip into the same trap, with a small influence group of 
individuals controlling who becomes our representatives in Congress, the 
Supreme Court, and the Executive Branch.  In such a democratic form of 
of government, the elected would be representing this small group of 
individual, rather than mainstream Americans.

Consider yourself as a high ranking powerful government official with 
access to detailed, sensitive information about every American at your 
fingertips.  Information can be a powerful weapon.  You could SQL the 
database of Americans by religion, race, political affiliation, income, 
career choice, sexual orientation, age, sex, criminal record,  Armed 
service record, and eventually DNA makeup, etc.  A secret police force 
would be needed to maintain the database.  The secret police could add 
to the database based on their surveillance, investigations, rumors, 
etc.  Citizen could be encourage to add to the information in the 
database by reporting personal information that came to them from 
neighbor or aquantance, etc.  You could then blackmail citizens, target 
groups of citizen for purposes of discrimination, abuse, or even 
elimination.  It would be the perfect tool to insure perpetual power in 
government.

Regards,

LelandJ





Hal Kaplan wrote:

>=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
>=> 
>=> It means something in the overall big picture of the "War on 
>=> Terrorism".  The "War on Terrorism" is a fabricated pretext 
>=> to usher in the PNAC agenda.  The PNAC agenda is to ensure 
>=> American and Israel will be the sole super powers of the 
>=> world.  The PNAC is made up of "Neoconservatives", (eg 
>=> Zionist War Zealots), who want to protect Israel, control 
>=> the ME and its oil reserves and thus the wealth of the 
>=> world, and preempt any threat to American and Israeli 
>=> dominance in the world.  Israel's doctrine of preemption 
>=> includes targeting threats, whether they be countries or 
>=> individuals,  and summarily eliminating/executing them.  The 
>=> new DOJ database is just part of this new world order, along 
>=> with the remaking of the Supreme Court, increased executive 
>=> branch powers at the expense of constitution guarantees and 
>=> checks and balances, and more control over the general 
>=> population, at the expense of constitutional freedoms.
>=> 
>=> Regards,
>=> 
>=> LelandJ
>=> 
>
>Exactly.  I agree 110% (with the exception of the Zionists who are not 
>instigators as much as simply riding the crest of the wave as the only ME 
>people who can be trusted over the long haul).  And that is just the tip of 
>the iceberg.  So what's the big deal about adding this database to the 
>"arsenal"?  This is very minor and of little consequence in terms of the big 
>picture, as is the recent election and its forthcoming impact on our 
>representative government.
>
>B+
>HALinNY
>
>
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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Michael Madigan]

I bet you'd like to give those Zionists a Xyclon-B
shower, wouldn't you?



--- Leland Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Many of President Bush's cabinet and political
> appointments are 
> Neoconservatives, (eg Zionist War Zealot), that live
> in the US, but have 
> dual citizenship in both the US and Israel.  They
> are not instigators of 
> the "War on Terrorism"; they created it.
> 
> If we want to preserve our American heritage and
> freedoms, all Americans 
> need to be educated about the dangers of the
> direction in which the PNAC 
> is leading the US.  We can preserve our freedom and
> the American way of 
> life using the democratic vote as our weapon.  If
> the country continues 
> in the wrong direction, we will find ourself living
> under a morph 
> democracy, which limits our choices of official we
> can elect to office 
> and our freedoms.  Protection of the American people
> and constitutional 
> freedom are no mutually exclusive goals.  Both can
> be achieve with the 
> right balance.
> 
> When I first moved to Abilene, Texas in 1979, city
> politics were control 
> by a small group of influential Abilenians organized
> under the banner of 
> "Citizens For Responsible Government".  Whoever this
> group decided to 
> support for city council was a shoe-in.  This seemed
> odd to me having 
> come from Dallas, Texas, as the "Citizens for
> Responsible Government" 
> never consulted me, or anyone else,  about what was
> wanted by the 
> population of Abilene as a representative to the
> city council.  America 
> could slip into the same trap, with a small
> influence group of 
> individuals controlling who becomes our
> representatives in Congress, the 
> Supreme Court, and the Executive Branch.  In such a
> democratic form of 
> of government, the elected would be representing
> this small group of 
> individual, rather than mainstream Americans.
> 
> Consider yourself as a high ranking powerful
> government official with 
> access to detailed, sensitive information about
> every American at your 
> fingertips.  Information can be a powerful weapon. 
> You could SQL the 
> database of Americans by religion, race, political
> affiliation, income, 
> career choice, sexual orientation, age, sex,
> criminal record,  Armed 
> service record, and eventually DNA makeup, etc.  A
> secret police force 
> would be needed to maintain the database.  The
> secret police could add 
> to the database based on their surveillance,
> investigations, rumors, 
> etc.  Citizen could be encourage to add to the
> information in the 
> database by reporting personal information that came
> to them from 
> neighbor or aquantance, etc.  You could then
> blackmail citizens, target 
> groups of citizen for purposes of discrimination,
> abuse, or even 
> elimination.  It would be the perfect tool to insure
> perpetual power in 
> government.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> LelandJ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hal Kaplan wrote:
> 
> >=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs
> Privacy Fears
> >=> 
> >=> It means something in the overall big picture of
> the "War on 
> >=> Terrorism".  The "War on Terrorism" is a
> fabricated pretext 
> >=> to usher in the PNAC agenda.  The PNAC agenda is
> to ensure 
> >=> American and Israel will be the sole super
> powers of the 
> >=> world.  The PNAC is made up of
> "Neoconservatives", (eg 
> >=> Zionist War Zealots), who want to protect
> Israel, control 
> >=> the ME and its oil reserves and thus the wealth
> of the 
> >=> world, and preempt any threat to American and
> Israeli 
> >=> dominance in the world.  Israel's doctrine of
> preemption 
> >=> includes targeting threats, whether they be
> countries or 
> >=> individuals,  and summarily
> eliminating/executing them.  The 
> >=> new DOJ database is just part of this new world
> order, along 
> >=> with the remaking of the Supreme Court,
> increased executive 
> >=> branch powers at the expense of constitution
> guarantees and 
> >=> checks and balances, and more control over the
> general 
> >=> population, at the expense of constitutional
> freedoms.
> >=> 
> >=> Regards,
> >=> 
> >=> LelandJ
> >=> 
> >
> >Exactly.  I agree 110% (with the exception of the
> Zionists who are not instigators as much as simply
> riding the crest of the wave as the only ME people
> who can be trusted over the long haul).  And that is
> j

Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Leland Jackson]

So, you think you can kill the thread by invoking the dreaded 
"anti-Semite" label?  I am not an anti-Semite; I just don't agree with 
the Neoconservative Doctrines.  I hold all people in equally high 
esteem, and strive to judge people based on the content of their 
character; not race.  I hold all human life as sacred.

This is getting off on a tangent.  We were talking about a secret 
database that hold a dossier on americans.  Perhaps you have a though 
along those lines?

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:

>I bet you'd like to give those Zionists a Xyclon-B
>shower, wouldn't you?
>
>
>
>--- Leland Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Many of President Bush's cabinet and political
>>appointments are 
>>Neoconservatives, (eg Zionist War Zealot), that live
>>in the US, but have 
>>dual citizenship in both the US and Israel.  They
>>are not instigators of 
>>the "War on Terrorism"; they created it.
>>
>>If we want to preserve our American heritage and
>>freedoms, all Americans 
>>need to be educated about the dangers of the
>>direction in which the PNAC 
>>is leading the US.  We can preserve our freedom and
>>the American way of 
>>life using the democratic vote as our weapon.  If
>>the country continues 
>>in the wrong direction, we will find ourself living
>>under a morph 
>>democracy, which limits our choices of official we
>>can elect to office 
>>and our freedoms.  Protection of the American people
>>and constitutional 
>>freedom are no mutually exclusive goals.  Both can
>>be achieve with the 
>>right balance.
>>
>>When I first moved to Abilene, Texas in 1979, city
>>politics were control 
>>by a small group of influential Abilenians organized
>>under the banner of 
>>"Citizens For Responsible Government".  Whoever this
>>group decided to 
>>support for city council was a shoe-in.  This seemed
>>odd to me having 
>>come from Dallas, Texas, as the "Citizens for
>>Responsible Government" 
>>never consulted me, or anyone else,  about what was
>>wanted by the 
>>population of Abilene as a representative to the
>>city council.  America 
>>could slip into the same trap, with a small
>>influence group of 
>>individuals controlling who becomes our
>>representatives in Congress, the 
>>Supreme Court, and the Executive Branch.  In such a
>>democratic form of 
>>of government, the elected would be representing
>>this small group of 
>>individual, rather than mainstream Americans.
>>
>>Consider yourself as a high ranking powerful
>>government official with 
>>access to detailed, sensitive information about
>>every American at your 
>>fingertips.  Information can be a powerful weapon. 
>>You could SQL the 
>>database of Americans by religion, race, political
>>affiliation, income, 
>>career choice, sexual orientation, age, sex,
>>criminal record,  Armed 
>>service record, and eventually DNA makeup, etc.  A
>>secret police force 
>>would be needed to maintain the database.  The
>>secret police could add 
>>to the database based on their surveillance,
>>investigations, rumors, 
>>etc.  Citizen could be encourage to add to the
>>information in the 
>>database by reporting personal information that came
>>to them from 
>>neighbor or aquantance, etc.  You could then
>>blackmail citizens, target 
>>groups of citizen for purposes of discrimination,
>>abuse, or even 
>>elimination.  It would be the perfect tool to insure
>>perpetual power in 
>>government.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>LelandJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hal Kaplan wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs
>>>  
>>>
>>Privacy Fears
>>
>>
>>>=> 
>>>=> It means something in the overall big picture of
>>>  
>>>
>>the "War on 
>>
>>
>>>=> Terrorism".  The "War on Terrorism" is a
>>>  
>>>
>>fabricated pretext 
>>
>>
>>>=> to usher in the PNAC agenda.  The PNAC agenda is
>>>  
>>>
>>to ensure 
>>
>>
>>>=> American and Israel will be the sole super
>>>  
>>>
>>powers of the 
>>
>>
>>>=> world.  The PNAC is made up of
>>>  
>>>
>>"Neoconservatives", (eg 
&g

Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Michael Madigan]

Oh please, people use the word "Zionist" when they
really want to say "filthy Jew"



--- Leland Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So, you think you can kill the thread by invoking
> the dreaded 
> "anti-Semite" label?  I am not an anti-Semite; I
> just don't agree with 
> the Neoconservative Doctrines.  I hold all people in
> equally high 
> esteem, and strive to judge people based on the
> content of their 
> character; not race.  I hold all human life as
> sacred.
> 
> This is getting off on a tangent.  We were talking
> about a secret 
> database that hold a dossier on americans.  Perhaps
> you have a though 
> along those lines?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> LelandJ
> 
> Michael Madigan wrote:
> 
> >I bet you'd like to give those Zionists a Xyclon-B
> >shower, wouldn't you?
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Leland Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Many of President Bush's cabinet and political
> >>appointments are 
> >>Neoconservatives, (eg Zionist War Zealot), that
> live
> >>in the US, but have 
> >>dual citizenship in both the US and Israel.  They
> >>are not instigators of 
> >>the "War on Terrorism"; they created it.
> >>
> >>If we want to preserve our American heritage and
> >>freedoms, all Americans 
> >>need to be educated about the dangers of the
> >>direction in which the PNAC 
> >>is leading the US.  We can preserve our freedom
> and
> >>the American way of 
> >>life using the democratic vote as our weapon.  If
> >>the country continues 
> >>in the wrong direction, we will find ourself
> living
> >>under a morph 
> >>democracy, which limits our choices of official we
> >>can elect to office 
> >>and our freedoms.  Protection of the American
> people
> >>and constitutional 
> >>freedom are no mutually exclusive goals.  Both can
> >>be achieve with the 
> >>right balance.
> >>
> >>When I first moved to Abilene, Texas in 1979, city
> >>politics were control 
> >>by a small group of influential Abilenians
> organized
> >>under the banner of 
> >>"Citizens For Responsible Government".  Whoever
> this
> >>group decided to 
> >>support for city council was a shoe-in.  This
> seemed
> >>odd to me having 
> >>come from Dallas, Texas, as the "Citizens for
> >>Responsible Government" 
> >>never consulted me, or anyone else,  about what
> was
> >>wanted by the 
> >>population of Abilene as a representative to the
> >>city council.  America 
> >>could slip into the same trap, with a small
> >>influence group of 
> >>individuals controlling who becomes our
> >>representatives in Congress, the 
> >>Supreme Court, and the Executive Branch.  In such
> a
> >>democratic form of 
> >>of government, the elected would be representing
> >>this small group of 
> >>individual, rather than mainstream Americans.
> >>
> >>Consider yourself as a high ranking powerful
> >>government official with 
> >>access to detailed, sensitive information about
> >>every American at your 
> >>fingertips.  Information can be a powerful weapon.
> 
> >>You could SQL the 
> >>database of Americans by religion, race, political
> >>affiliation, income, 
> >>career choice, sexual orientation, age, sex,
> >>criminal record,  Armed 
> >>service record, and eventually DNA makeup, etc.  A
> >>secret police force 
> >>would be needed to maintain the database.  The
> >>secret police could add 
> >>to the database based on their surveillance,
> >>investigations, rumors, 
> >>etc.  Citizen could be encourage to add to the
> >>information in the 
> >>database by reporting personal information that
> came
> >>to them from 
> >>neighbor or aquantance, etc.  You could then
> >>blackmail citizens, target 
> >>groups of citizen for purposes of discrimination,
> >>abuse, or even 
> >>elimination.  It would be the perfect tool to
> insure
> >>perpetual power in 
> >>government.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>LelandJ
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Hal Kaplan wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>=> Subject:

Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Leland Jackson]

tatives in Congress, the 
>>>>Supreme Court, and the Executive Branch.  In such
>>>>
>>>>
>>a
>>
>>
>>>>democratic form of 
>>>>of government, the elected would be representing
>>>>this small group of 
>>>>individual, rather than mainstream Americans.
>>>>
>>>>Consider yourself as a high ranking powerful
>>>>government official with 
>>>>access to detailed, sensitive information about
>>>>every American at your 
>>>>fingertips.  Information can be a powerful weapon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You could SQL the 
>>>>database of Americans by religion, race, political
>>>>affiliation, income, 
>>>>career choice, sexual orientation, age, sex,
>>>>criminal record,  Armed 
>>>>service record, and eventually DNA makeup, etc.  A
>>>>secret police force 
>>>>would be needed to maintain the database.  The
>>>>secret police could add 
>>>>to the database based on their surveillance,
>>>>investigations, rumors, 
>>>>etc.  Citizen could be encourage to add to the
>>>>information in the 
>>>>database by reporting personal information that
>>>>
>>>>
>>came
>>
>>
>>>>to them from 
>>>>neighbor or aquantance, etc.  You could then
>>>>blackmail citizens, target 
>>>>groups of citizen for purposes of discrimination,
>>>>abuse, or even 
>>>>elimination.  It would be the perfect tool to
>>>>
>>>>
>>insure
>>
>>
>>>>perpetual power in 
>>>>government.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>LelandJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hal Kaplan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>Privacy Fears
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>=> 
>>>>>=> It means something in the overall big picture
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>of
>>
>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>the "War on 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>=> Terrorism".  The "War on Terrorism" is a
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>fabricated pretext 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>=> to usher in the PNAC agenda.  The PNAC agenda
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>is
>>
>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>to ensure 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>=> American and Israel will be the sole super
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>powers of the 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>=> world.  The PNAC is made up of
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>"Neoconservatives", (eg 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>=> Zionist War Zealots), who want to protect
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>Israel, control 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>=> the ME and its oil reserves and thus the
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>wealth
>>
>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>of the 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>=> world, and preempt any threat to American and
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>Israeli 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>=> dominance in the world.  Israel's doctrine of
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>preemption 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>=> includes targeting threats, whether they be
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
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RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
=> 
=> 
=> Consider yourself as a high ranking powerful government 
=> official with access to detailed, sensitive information 
=> about every American at your fingertips.  Information can be 
=> a powerful weapon.  You could SQL the database of Americans 
=> by religion, race, political affiliation, income, career 
=> choice, sexual orientation, age, sex, criminal record,  
=> Armed service record, and eventually DNA makeup, etc.  A 
=> secret police force would be needed to maintain the 
=> database.  The secret police could add to the database based 
=> on their surveillance, investigations, rumors, etc.  Citizen 
=> could be encourage to add to the information in the database 
=> by reporting personal information that came to them from 
=> neighbor or aquantance, etc.  You could then blackmail 
=> citizens, target groups of citizen for purposes of 
=> discrimination, abuse, or even elimination.  It would be the 
=> perfect tool to insure perpetual power in government.
=> 
=> Regards,
=> 
=> LelandJ
=> 

Sounds like someone bought J. Edgar Hoover a PC for Christmas. 

This is not new, Leland.  We've had this type of thing since the 30's.  IBM 
created one for the Nazi's to use to exterminate Jews and other undesirables 
and after that beta test, gave the whole thing to Uncle Sam.  If you vote, 
drive, apply for a government job, or get within 10 feet of a crime, you are in 
the database.

I am not happy about it, but I cannot understand why this has suddenly become 
an issue when it's been going on for 70 years (almost as long as Python!).

B+
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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Leland Jackson]

If this has been going on for some many years, how do I get access to my 
record, if any, to verify its content is honest and correct?

Regards,

LelandJ

Hal Kaplan wrote:

>=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
>=> 
>=> 
>=> Consider yourself as a high ranking powerful government 
>=> official with access to detailed, sensitive information 
>=> about every American at your fingertips.  Information can be 
>=> a powerful weapon.  You could SQL the database of Americans 
>=> by religion, race, political affiliation, income, career 
>=> choice, sexual orientation, age, sex, criminal record,  
>=> Armed service record, and eventually DNA makeup, etc.  A 
>=> secret police force would be needed to maintain the 
>=> database.  The secret police could add to the database based 
>=> on their surveillance, investigations, rumors, etc.  Citizen 
>=> could be encourage to add to the information in the database 
>=> by reporting personal information that came to them from 
>=> neighbor or aquantance, etc.  You could then blackmail 
>=> citizens, target groups of citizen for purposes of 
>=> discrimination, abuse, or even elimination.  It would be the 
>=> perfect tool to insure perpetual power in government.
>=> 
>=> Regards,
>=> 
>=> LelandJ
>=> 
>
>Sounds like someone bought J. Edgar Hoover a PC for Christmas. 
>
>This is not new, Leland.  We've had this type of thing since the 30's.  IBM 
>created one for the Nazi's to use to exterminate Jews and other undesirables 
>and after that beta test, gave the whole thing to Uncle Sam.  If you vote, 
>drive, apply for a government job, or get within 10 feet of a crime, you are 
>in the database.
>
>I am not happy about it, but I cannot understand why this has suddenly become 
>an issue when it's been going on for 70 years (almost as long as Python!).
>
>B+
>HALinNY
>
>
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RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
=> 
=> If this has been going on for some many years, how do I get 
=> access to my record, if any, to verify its content is honest 
=> and correct?
=> 
=> Regards,
=> 
=> LelandJ

This is not an easy question to answer because the answer depends on your 
personal history.  That is one of the reasons why the new JusticeOne db is 
going to be an improvement; you don't need to know if the person in question 
has a military or criminal background or what state he lives in now or 
previously and all kinds of things like that.  

Until the new db is finished, the best thing to do is contact one of these 
online outfits that will work-up a dossier on anyone by searching all available 
databases.  Another way would be to do something that will force creation of a 
new file for you, like committing a serious crime (according to local law) and 
then having your attorney requesting the content.

Once you have the information, if you find something that you feel is untrue or 
unwarranted, you will have to deal with the specific source agency to determine 
what evidence is required to correct the error.  Just remember that there is no 
universally accepted definition of truth; only a preponderance of evidence for 
civil affairs and a reasonable doubt for criminal.

I hope this helps, Leland.

B+
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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Leland Jackson]

Are you a wise guy?  Very funny.

Regards,

LelandJ

Hal Kaplan wrote:

>=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
>=> 
>=> If this has been going on for some many years, how do I get 
>=> access to my record, if any, to verify its content is honest 
>=> and correct?
>=> 
>=> Regards,
>=> 
>=> LelandJ
>
>This is not an easy question to answer because the answer depends on your 
>personal history.  That is one of the reasons why the new JusticeOne db is 
>going to be an improvement; you don't need to know if the person in question 
>has a military or criminal background or what state he lives in now or 
>previously and all kinds of things like that.  
>
>Until the new db is finished, the best thing to do is contact one of these 
>online outfits that will work-up a dossier on anyone by searching all 
>available databases.  Another way would be to do something that will force 
>creation of a new file for you, like committing a serious crime (according to 
>local law) and then having your attorney requesting the content.
>
>Once you have the information, if you find something that you feel is untrue 
>or unwarranted, you will have to deal with the specific source agency to 
>determine what evidence is required to correct the error.  Just remember that 
>there is no universally accepted definition of truth; only a preponderance of 
>evidence for civil affairs and a reasonable doubt for criminal.
>
>I hope this helps, Leland.
>
>B+
>HALinNY
>
>
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RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
=> 
=> Are you a wise guy?  Very funny.
=> 
=> Regards,
=> 
=> LelandJ
=> 

No, Leland.  I was totally serious when I wrote that.  It reflects my best 
knowledge as of the time of writing.  If anyone has better information, please 
share it with us.

B+
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RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Virgil Bierschwale]

I'll comment for him.
We used to be innocent until proven guilty.
We still should be and as someone that has seen how things can become NASTY
when you get into the system, I'm totally against any type of stereotyping
at all.

I have to agree with leland, we seem, and not only for war to be in a
premptive mode where if there is a chance you may fall and hurt yourself
while riding your bicycle, then we're going to make a new law to ensure that
you wear a helmet, pads, emergency whistle and jockstrap so that you don't
hurt yourself..

Folks, we LEARN from making mistakes.
If we make a mistake that kills us, well that was our lesson and that’s the
way life needs to be.

Sorry if that sounds cruel, but that’s life. 


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Leland Jackson
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 3:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

I didn't invent the word Zionist, and it really doesn't carry any negative
racial overtures, as far as I can see.  I'm just basically opposed to war,
unless the US is unavoidable pushed into it.  I'm certainly opposed to
preemptive war; like PNAC could somehow see the future, and then shape it
using present preemptive wars.

You still haven't commented on your thinking about the huge database under
ongoing construction.

#--

"The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48"
Zionism Zi"on*ism, n. Zion + -ism.
   Among the Jews, a theory, plan, or movement for colonizing
   their own race in Palestine, the land of Zion, or, if that is
   impracticable, elsewhere, either for religious or
   nationalizing purposes; -- called also Zion movement. --
   Zi"on*ist, n. -- Zi`on*is"tic, a.
   Webster 1913 Suppl.

#

Regards,

LelandJ



Michael Madigan wrote:

>Oh please, people use the word "Zionist" when they really want to say 
>"filthy Jew"
>
>
>
>--- Leland Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>So, you think you can kill the thread by invoking the dreaded 
>>"anti-Semite" label?  I am not an anti-Semite; I just don't agree with 
>>the Neoconservative Doctrines.  I hold all people in equally high 
>>esteem, and strive to judge people based on the content of their 
>>character; not race.  I hold all human life as sacred.
>>
>>This is getting off on a tangent.  We were talking about a secret 
>>database that hold a dossier on americans.  Perhaps you have a though 
>>along those lines?
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>LelandJ
>>
>>Michael Madigan wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I bet you'd like to give those Zionists a Xyclon-B shower, wouldn't 
>>>you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- Leland Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>>Many of President Bush's cabinet and political appointments are 
>>>>Neoconservatives, (eg Zionist War Zealot), that
>>>>
>>>>
>>live
>>
>>
>>>>in the US, but have
>>>>dual citizenship in both the US and Israel.  They are not 
>>>>instigators of the "War on Terrorism"; they created it.
>>>>
>>>>If we want to preserve our American heritage and freedoms, all 
>>>>Americans need to be educated about the dangers of the direction in 
>>>>which the PNAC is leading the US.  We can preserve our freedom
>>>>
>>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>>the American way of
>>>>life using the democratic vote as our weapon.  If the country 
>>>>continues in the wrong direction, we will find ourself
>>>>
>>>>
>>living
>>
>>
>>>>under a morph 
>>>>democracy, which limits our choices of official we
>>>>can elect to office 
>>>>and our freedoms.  Protection of the American
>>>>
>>>>
>>people
>>
>>
>>>>and constitutional 
>>>>freedom are no mutually exclusive goals.  Both can
>>>>be achieve with the 
>>>>right balance.
>>>>
>>>>When I first moved to Abilene, Texas in 1979, city
>>>>politics were control 
>>>>by a small group of influential Abilenians
>>>>
>>>>
>>organized
>>

Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Leland Jackson]

The article that appeared in the Washington Post this morning, titled 
"Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears", should at the very least 
give every American concern about their privacy.  I know the country 
needs a single source that can be consulted and help coordinate the 
efforts of the various branches of government like the DOD, DOJ, FBI, 
CIA, NSA, and various law enforcement agency around the country, etc, so 
everybody is on the same page, but such a system should not be without 
diligent oversight by Congress, the Supreme Court, and American people, 
and it should comply with the letter and spirit of the US constitution.

I think the new Democratic Congress will try to bring "habeas corpus" 
back into the legal process for those suspected of being "enemy 
combatant".  I certainly hope so.  After all, this is America.

Regards,

LelandJ


Hal Kaplan wrote:

>=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
>=> 
>=> Are you a wise guy?  Very funny.
>=> 
>=> Regards,
>=> 
>=> LelandJ
>=> 
>
>No, Leland.  I was totally serious when I wrote that.  It reflects my best 
>knowledge as of the time of writing.  If anyone has better information, please 
>share it with us.
>
>B+
>HALinNY
>
>
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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Leland Jackson]

"The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48"
Habeas corpus Ha"be*as cor"pus (h=a"b-e*a^s
   k^or"pu^s). L. you may have the body. (Law)
   A writ having for its object to bring a party before a court
   or judge; especially, one to inquire into the cause of a
   person's imprisonment or detention by another, with the view
   to protect the right to personal liberty; also, one to bring
   a prisoner into court to testify in a pending trial.
   --Bouvier.
   1913 Webster

Regards,

LelandJ

Leland Jackson wrote:

>The article that appeared in the Washington Post this morning, titled 
>"Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears", should at the very least 
>give every American concern about their privacy.  I know the country 
>needs a single source that can be consulted and help coordinate the 
>efforts of the various branches of government like the DOD, DOJ, FBI, 
>CIA, NSA, and various law enforcement agency around the country, etc, so 
>everybody is on the same page, but such a system should not be without 
>diligent oversight by Congress, the Supreme Court, and American people, 
>and it should comply with the letter and spirit of the US constitution.
>
>I think the new Democratic Congress will try to bring "habeas corpus" 
>back into the legal process for those suspected of being "enemy 
>combatant".  I certainly hope so.  After all, this is America.
>
>Regards,
>
>LelandJ
>
>
>Hal Kaplan wrote:
>
>  
>
>>=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
>>=> 
>>=> Are you a wise guy?  Very funny.
>>=> 
>>=> Regards,
>>=> 
>>=> LelandJ
>>=> 
>>
>>No, Leland.  I was totally serious when I wrote that.  It reflects my best 
>>knowledge as of the time of writing.  If anyone has better information, 
>>please share it with us.
>>
>>B+
>>HALinNY
>>
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
=> 
=> The article that appeared in the Washington Post this 
=> morning, titled "Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy 
=> Fears", should at the very least give every American concern 
=> about their privacy.  I know the country needs a single 
=> source that can be consulted and help coordinate the efforts 
=> of the various branches of government like the DOD, DOJ, 
=> FBI, CIA, NSA, and various law enforcement agency around the 
=> country, etc, so everybody is on the same page, but such a 
=> system should not be without diligent oversight by Congress, 
=> the Supreme Court, and American people, and it should comply 
=> with the letter and spirit of the US constitution.
=> 
=> I think the new Democratic Congress will try to bring 
=> "habeas corpus" 
=> back into the legal process for those suspected of being 
=> "enemy combatant".  I certainly hope so.  After all, this is America.
=> 
=> Regards,
=> 
=> LelandJ
=> 

I hope you are right, Leland.  I agree with pretty much everything you wrote 
about what is going on.  But it is going to take more than a new Congress to 
get this resolved.  We need to get the perps who allowed 9/11 to take place 
imprisoned or executed.  That should clear the air just enough to give the 
other perps a chance to make amends before their turns at trial come to pass.  
After all, most of these people are plain and simply cowards who would not dare 
for a second to put their lives on the line for anything but have absolutely no 
compunctions about murdering 3,000 victims on 9/11 and then sending over 3,000 
young Americans to their deaths in a "war" that they wanted so as to line their 
pockets.

They will tell you the Islamic elements are to blame as they do everything 
possible to fan the fires of misdirected Islamic sentiments and maintain their 
puppets in a frenetic state.

B+
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RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Virgil Bierschwale]

This is where you lose me and millions others lke me..

Yes, we should not be in those countries and yes we should pull our cia,
etc. out of these other countries and stop trying to influence their
cultures.
But no, I do not for one moment believe that anybody on our side knew when
and where 9/11 would happen.
Sure they probably knew that the terrorists were planning something, but I
don't believe they knew the who, what, when, where and why which is why
ya'll don't have much credibility with me when it comes to these type of
accusations. 


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Hal Kaplan
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 5:29 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears => => The
article that appeared in the Washington Post this => morning, titled
"Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy => Fears", should at the very least
give every American concern => about their privacy.  I know the country
needs a single => source that can be consulted and help coordinate the
efforts => of the various branches of government like the DOD, DOJ, => FBI,
CIA, NSA, and various law enforcement agency around the => country, etc, so
everybody is on the same page, but such a => system should not be without
diligent oversight by Congress, => the Supreme Court, and American people,
and it should comply => with the letter and spirit of the US constitution.
=>
=> I think the new Democratic Congress will try to bring => "habeas corpus" 
=> back into the legal process for those suspected of being => "enemy
combatant".  I certainly hope so.  After all, this is America.
=>
=> Regards,
=>
=> LelandJ
=> 

I hope you are right, Leland.  I agree with pretty much everything you wrote
about what is going on.  But it is going to take more than a new Congress to
get this resolved.  We need to get the perps who allowed 9/11 to take place
imprisoned or executed.  That should clear the air just enough to give the
other perps a chance to make amends before their turns at trial come to
pass.  After all, most of these people are plain and simply cowards who
would not dare for a second to put their lives on the line for anything but
have absolutely no compunctions about murdering 3,000 victims on 9/11 and
then sending over 3,000 young Americans to their deaths in a "war" that they
wanted so as to line their pockets.

They will tell you the Islamic elements are to blame as they do everything
possible to fan the fires of misdirected Islamic sentiments and maintain
their puppets in a frenetic state.

B+
HALinNY



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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Jerry Wolper]

> Steinhardt noted that in 2003, the FBI announced that it would no longer
> meet the Privacy Act's accuracy requirements for the National Crime 
> Information Center, its main criminal-background-check database, which 
> is used by 80,000 law enforcement agencies across the country.

That says it all about the new project. The mature database isn't 
accurate enough to meet legislative standards, and they're just going 
to multiply that level of incompetence. Sigh.

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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 26 December 2006 14:47, Leland Jackson wrote:
> Many of President Bush's cabinet and political appointments are
> Neoconservatives, (eg Zionist War Zealot)

> >The PNAC agenda is to ensure 
> >=> American and Israel will be the sole super powers of the
> >=> world.

Hi Leland!

And now the database has the information that you and Hal are conspiring 
against Israel and the Jews. You guys are toast.
-- 
Regards,

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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 26 December 2006 17:07, Hal Kaplan wrote:
> => Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
> => 
> => If this has been going on for some many years, how do I get
> => access to my record, if any, to verify its content is honest
> => and correct?
> => 
> => Regards,
> => 
> => LelandJ
>
> This is not an easy question to answer because the answer depends on your
> personal history.  That is one of the reasons why the new JusticeOne db is
> going to be an improvement; you don't need to know if the person in
> question has a military or criminal background or what state he lives in
> now or previously and all kinds of things like that.
>
> Until the new db is finished, the best thing to do is contact one of these
> online outfits that will work-up a dossier on anyone by searching all
> available databases.  Another way would be to do something that will force
> creation of a new file for you, like committing a serious crime 

Hi Hal, Leland!

Relax, you guys are both in it as "Anti-Zionists".
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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 26 December 2006 18:04, Leland Jackson wrote:
> "The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48"
> Habeas corpus Ha"be*as cor"pus (h=a"b-e*a^s
>k^or"pu^s). L. you may have the body. 

Hi Leland!

So they kill you and Hal and let your lawyers have your bodies. See what you 
get for being "anti-Zionists"? Better start sucking up to Israel, pronto.
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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Leland Jackson]

And you think you will avoid being in the database by coming down on Hal 
and I, but you will be in the database with lots of derogatory 
information, as well.  You should make some interesting company. LOL

Regards,

LelandJ

Pete Theisen wrote:

>On Tuesday 26 December 2006 17:07, Hal Kaplan wrote:
>  
>
>>=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
>>=> 
>>=> If this has been going on for some many years, how do I get
>>=> access to my record, if any, to verify its content is honest
>>=> and correct?
>>=> 
>>=> Regards,
>>=> 
>>=> LelandJ
>>
>>This is not an easy question to answer because the answer depends on your
>>personal history.  That is one of the reasons why the new JusticeOne db is
>>going to be an improvement; you don't need to know if the person in
>>question has a military or criminal background or what state he lives in
>>now or previously and all kinds of things like that.
>>
>>Until the new db is finished, the best thing to do is contact one of these
>>online outfits that will work-up a dossier on anyone by searching all
>>available databases.  Another way would be to do something that will force
>>creation of a new file for you, like committing a serious crime 
>>
>>
>
>Hi Hal, Leland!
>
>Relax, you guys are both in it as "Anti-Zionists".
>  
>



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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 26 December 2006 21:10, Leland Jackson wrote:
> And you think you will avoid being in the database by coming down on Hal
> and I, but you will be in the database with lots of derogatory
> information, as well.  You should make some interesting company. LOL

Hi Leland!

I am probably in it more than once. I am an acupuncturist, I was a Catholic, I 
am a Protestant, I am pro-Israel, I own two guns, I like girls - oh, man, I 
am sooo in it.
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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Leland Jackson]

Here is a video history of what has been going on in the ME, behind the 
sceens.  Beware, it runs for about 1 and 1/2 hours:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1130731388742388243

When your done with that video, here is a website for you to chew on for 
awaile:

http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_iraqwar.htm

or

http://tinyurl.com/a8pyv

Regards,

LelandJ

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

>This is where you lose me and millions others lke me..
>
>Yes, we should not be in those countries and yes we should pull our cia,
>etc. out of these other countries and stop trying to influence their
>cultures.
>But no, I do not for one moment believe that anybody on our side knew when
>and where 9/11 would happen.
>Sure they probably knew that the terrorists were planning something, but I
>don't believe they knew the who, what, when, where and why which is why
>ya'll don't have much credibility with me when it comes to these type of
>accusations. 
>
>
>Virgil Bierschwale
>http://www.virgilslist.com
>http://www.tccutlery.com
>http://www.bierschwale.com
>http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>Of Hal Kaplan
>Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 5:29 PM
>To: ProFox Email List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
>
>=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears => => The
>article that appeared in the Washington Post this => morning, titled
>"Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy => Fears", should at the very least
>give every American concern => about their privacy.  I know the country
>needs a single => source that can be consulted and help coordinate the
>efforts => of the various branches of government like the DOD, DOJ, => FBI,
>CIA, NSA, and various law enforcement agency around the => country, etc, so
>everybody is on the same page, but such a => system should not be without
>diligent oversight by Congress, => the Supreme Court, and American people,
>and it should comply => with the letter and spirit of the US constitution.
>=>
>=> I think the new Democratic Congress will try to bring => "habeas corpus" 
>=> back into the legal process for those suspected of being => "enemy
>combatant".  I certainly hope so.  After all, this is America.
>=>
>=> Regards,
>=>
>=> LelandJ
>=> 
>
>I hope you are right, Leland.  I agree with pretty much everything you wrote
>about what is going on.  But it is going to take more than a new Congress to
>get this resolved.  We need to get the perps who allowed 9/11 to take place
>imprisoned or executed.  That should clear the air just enough to give the
>other perps a chance to make amends before their turns at trial come to
>pass.  After all, most of these people are plain and simply cowards who
>would not dare for a second to put their lives on the line for anything but
>have absolutely no compunctions about murdering 3,000 victims on 9/11 and
>then sending over 3,000 young Americans to their deaths in a "war" that they
>wanted so as to line their pockets.
>
>They will tell you the Islamic elements are to blame as they do everything
>possible to fan the fires of misdirected Islamic sentiments and maintain
>their puppets in a frenetic state.
>
>B+
>HALinNY
>
>
>
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RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Virgil Bierschwale]

As determined by who ?

I learned a long time ago that a person can find what they're looking for in
anything if they want too.
I don't believe that any media is unbiased and that all of them will do
their best to get you to see things their way.

I will look at it when I have time.
I've been working on a deal for about a week on my web page and finally
figured out that I had two words wrong, but I'm still busy trying to get it
up and running so that I can work on getting some money in.
I'm also using it when I send my resume in to try and find some work as I
figure that sometimes a sample is good publicity 

 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Leland Jackson
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 10:00 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

Here is a video history of what has been going on in the ME, behind the
sceens.  Beware, it runs for about 1 and 1/2 hours:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1130731388742388243

When your done with that video, here is a website for you to chew on for
awaile:

http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_iraqwar.htm

or

http://tinyurl.com/a8pyv

Regards,

LelandJ

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

>This is where you lose me and millions others lke me..
>
>Yes, we should not be in those countries and yes we should pull our 
>cia, etc. out of these other countries and stop trying to influence 
>their cultures.
>But no, I do not for one moment believe that anybody on our side knew 
>when and where 9/11 would happen.
>Sure they probably knew that the terrorists were planning something, 
>but I don't believe they knew the who, what, when, where and why which 
>is why ya'll don't have much credibility with me when it comes to these 
>type of accusations.
>
>
>Virgil Bierschwale
>http://www.virgilslist.com
>http://www.tccutlery.com
>http://www.bierschwale.com
>http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>Behalf Of Hal Kaplan
>Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 5:29 PM
>To: ProFox Email List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
>
>=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears => => 
>The article that appeared in the Washington Post this => morning, 
>titled "Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy => Fears", should at the 
>very least give every American concern => about their privacy.  I know 
>the country needs a single => source that can be consulted and help 
>coordinate the efforts => of the various branches of government like 
>the DOD, DOJ, => FBI, CIA, NSA, and various law enforcement agency 
>around the => country, etc, so everybody is on the same page, but such 
>a => system should not be without diligent oversight by Congress, => 
>the Supreme Court, and American people, and it should comply => with the
letter and spirit of the US constitution.
>=>
>=> I think the new Democratic Congress will try to bring => "habeas corpus"

>=> back into the legal process for those suspected of being => "enemy 
>combatant".  I certainly hope so.  After all, this is America.
>=>
>=> Regards,
>=>
>=> LelandJ
>=>
>
>I hope you are right, Leland.  I agree with pretty much everything you 
>wrote about what is going on.  But it is going to take more than a new 
>Congress to get this resolved.  We need to get the perps who allowed 
>9/11 to take place imprisoned or executed.  That should clear the air 
>just enough to give the other perps a chance to make amends before 
>their turns at trial come to pass.  After all, most of these people are 
>plain and simply cowards who would not dare for a second to put their 
>lives on the line for anything but have absolutely no compunctions 
>about murdering 3,000 victims on 9/11 and then sending over 3,000 young 
>Americans to their deaths in a "war" that they wanted so as to line their
pockets.
>
>They will tell you the Islamic elements are to blame as they do 
>everything possible to fan the fires of misdirected Islamic sentiments 
>and maintain their puppets in a frenetic state.
>
>B+
>HALinNY
>
>
>
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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Michael Madigan]

Ed Asssner is a traitor.



--- Leland Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Here is a video history of what has been going on in
> the ME, behind the 
> sceens.  Beware, it runs for about 1 and 1/2 hours:
> 
>
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1130731388742388243
> 
> When your done with that video, here is a website
> for you to chew on for 
> awaile:
> 
>
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_iraqwar.htm
> 
> or
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/a8pyv
> 
> Regards,
> 
> LelandJ
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> 
> >This is where you lose me and millions others lke
> me..
> >
> >Yes, we should not be in those countries and yes we
> should pull our cia,
> >etc. out of these other countries and stop trying
> to influence their
> >cultures.
> >But no, I do not for one moment believe that
> anybody on our side knew when
> >and where 9/11 would happen.
> >Sure they probably knew that the terrorists were
> planning something, but I
> >don't believe they knew the who, what, when, where
> and why which is why
> >ya'll don't have much credibility with me when it
> comes to these type of
> >accusations. 
> >
> >
> >Virgil Bierschwale
> >http://www.virgilslist.com
> >http://www.tccutlery.com
> >http://www.bierschwale.com
> >http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> >Of Hal Kaplan
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 5:29 PM
> >To: ProFox Email List
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs
> Privacy Fears
> >
> >=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs
> Privacy Fears => => The
> >article that appeared in the Washington Post this
> => morning, titled
> >"Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy => Fears",
> should at the very least
> >give every American concern => about their privacy.
>  I know the country
> >needs a single => source that can be consulted and
> help coordinate the
> >efforts => of the various branches of government
> like the DOD, DOJ, => FBI,
> >CIA, NSA, and various law enforcement agency around
> the => country, etc, so
> >everybody is on the same page, but such a => system
> should not be without
> >diligent oversight by Congress, => the Supreme
> Court, and American people,
> >and it should comply => with the letter and spirit
> of the US constitution.
> >=>
> >=> I think the new Democratic Congress will try to
> bring => "habeas corpus" 
> >=> back into the legal process for those suspected
> of being => "enemy
> >combatant".  I certainly hope so.  After all, this
> is America.
> >=>
> >=> Regards,
> >=>
> >=> LelandJ
> >=> 
> >
> >I hope you are right, Leland.  I agree with pretty
> much everything you wrote
> >about what is going on.  But it is going to take
> more than a new Congress to
> >get this resolved.  We need to get the perps who
> allowed 9/11 to take place
> >imprisoned or executed.  That should clear the air
> just enough to give the
> >other perps a chance to make amends before their
> turns at trial come to
> >pass.  After all, most of these people are plain
> and simply cowards who
> >would not dare for a second to put their lives on
> the line for anything but
> >have absolutely no compunctions about murdering
> 3,000 victims on 9/11 and
> >then sending over 3,000 young Americans to their
> deaths in a "war" that they
> >wanted so as to line their pockets.
> >
> >They will tell you the Islamic elements are to
> blame as they do everything
> >possible to fan the fires of misdirected Islamic
> sentiments and maintain
> >their puppets in a frenetic state.
> >
> >B+
> >HALinNY
> >
> >
> >
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RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Adam Buckland]

You say you disagree with Israeli policy, I say you deny the holocaust
etc etc etc

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Pete Theisen

And now the database has the information that you and Hal are conspiring
against Israel and the Jews. You guys are toast.


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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Leland Jackson]

The below link is a present for you Mike:

http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_iraqwar.htm

Regards,

LelandJ


Michael Madigan wrote:

>Ed Asssner is a traitor.
>
>
>
>--- Leland Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Here is a video history of what has been going on in
>>the ME, behind the 
>>sceens.  Beware, it runs for about 1 and 1/2 hours:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1130731388742388243
>  
>
>>When your done with that video, here is a website
>>for you to chew on for 
>>awaile:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_iraqwar.htm
>  
>
>>or
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/a8pyv
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>LelandJ
>>
>>Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>This is where you lose me and millions others lke
>>>  
>>>
>>me..
>>
>>
>>>Yes, we should not be in those countries and yes we
>>>  
>>>
>>should pull our cia,
>>
>>
>>>etc. out of these other countries and stop trying
>>>  
>>>
>>to influence their
>>
>>
>>>cultures.
>>>But no, I do not for one moment believe that
>>>  
>>>
>>anybody on our side knew when
>>
>>
>>>and where 9/11 would happen.
>>>Sure they probably knew that the terrorists were
>>>  
>>>
>>planning something, but I
>>
>>
>>>don't believe they knew the who, what, when, where
>>>  
>>>
>>and why which is why
>>
>>
>>>ya'll don't have much credibility with me when it
>>>  
>>>
>>comes to these type of
>>
>>
>>>accusations. 
>>>
>>>
>>>Virgil Bierschwale
>>>http://www.virgilslist.com
>>>http://www.tccutlery.com
>>>http://www.bierschwale.com
>>>http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>  
>>>
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>>
>>
>>>Of Hal Kaplan
>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 5:29 PM
>>>To: ProFox Email List
>>>Subject: RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs
>>>  
>>>
>>Privacy Fears
>>
>>
>>>=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs
>>>  
>>>
>>Privacy Fears => => The
>>
>>
>>>article that appeared in the Washington Post this
>>>  
>>>
>>=> morning, titled
>>
>>
>>>"Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy => Fears",
>>>  
>>>
>>should at the very least
>>
>>
>>>give every American concern => about their privacy.
>>>  
>>>
>> I know the country
>>
>>
>>>needs a single => source that can be consulted and
>>>  
>>>
>>help coordinate the
>>
>>
>>>efforts => of the various branches of government
>>>  
>>>
>>like the DOD, DOJ, => FBI,
>>
>>
>>>CIA, NSA, and various law enforcement agency around
>>>  
>>>
>>the => country, etc, so
>>
>>
>>>everybody is on the same page, but such a => system
>>>  
>>>
>>should not be without
>>
>>
>>>diligent oversight by Congress, => the Supreme
>>>  
>>>
>>Court, and American people,
>>
>>
>>>and it should comply => with the letter and spirit
>>>  
>>>
>>of the US constitution.
>>
>>
>>>=>
>>>=> I think the new Democratic Congress will try to
>>>  
>>>
>>bring => "habeas corpus" 
>>
>>
>>>=> back into the legal process for those suspected
>>>  
>>>
>>of being => "enemy
>>
>>
>>>combatant".  I certainly hope so.  After all, this
>>>  
>>>
>>is America.
>>
>>
>>>=>
>>>=> Regards,
>>>=>
>>>=> LelandJ
>>>=> 
>>>
>>>I hope you are right, Leland.  I agree with pretty
>>>  
>>>
>>much everything you wrote
>>
>>
>>>about what is go

Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Leland Jackson]

Whoops, the link should be:

http://forum.wgbh.org/wgbh/ram.php?id=3076&size=hi

Regards,

LelandJ


Michael Madigan wrote:

>Ed Asssner is a traitor.
>
>
>
>--- Leland Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Here is a video history of what has been going on in
>>the ME, behind the 
>>sceens.  Beware, it runs for about 1 and 1/2 hours:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1130731388742388243
>  
>
>>When your done with that video, here is a website
>>for you to chew on for 
>>awaile:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_iraqwar.htm
>  
>
>>or
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/a8pyv
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>LelandJ
>>
>>Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>This is where you lose me and millions others lke
>>>  
>>>
>>me..
>>
>>
>>>Yes, we should not be in those countries and yes we
>>>  
>>>
>>should pull our cia,
>>
>>
>>>etc. out of these other countries and stop trying
>>>  
>>>
>>to influence their
>>
>>
>>>cultures.
>>>But no, I do not for one moment believe that
>>>  
>>>
>>anybody on our side knew when
>>
>>
>>>and where 9/11 would happen.
>>>Sure they probably knew that the terrorists were
>>>  
>>>
>>planning something, but I
>>
>>
>>>don't believe they knew the who, what, when, where
>>>  
>>>
>>and why which is why
>>
>>
>>>ya'll don't have much credibility with me when it
>>>  
>>>
>>comes to these type of
>>
>>
>>>accusations. 
>>>
>>>
>>>Virgil Bierschwale
>>>http://www.virgilslist.com
>>>http://www.tccutlery.com
>>>http://www.bierschwale.com
>>>http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>  
>>>
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>>
>>
>>>Of Hal Kaplan
>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 5:29 PM
>>>To: ProFox Email List
>>>Subject: RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs
>>>  
>>>
>>Privacy Fears
>>
>>
>>>=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs
>>>  
>>>
>>Privacy Fears => => The
>>
>>
>>>article that appeared in the Washington Post this
>>>  
>>>
>>=> morning, titled
>>
>>
>>>"Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy => Fears",
>>>  
>>>
>>should at the very least
>>
>>
>>>give every American concern => about their privacy.
>>>  
>>>
>> I know the country
>>
>>
>>>needs a single => source that can be consulted and
>>>  
>>>
>>help coordinate the
>>
>>
>>>efforts => of the various branches of government
>>>  
>>>
>>like the DOD, DOJ, => FBI,
>>
>>
>>>CIA, NSA, and various law enforcement agency around
>>>  
>>>
>>the => country, etc, so
>>
>>
>>>everybody is on the same page, but such a => system
>>>  
>>>
>>should not be without
>>
>>
>>>diligent oversight by Congress, => the Supreme
>>>  
>>>
>>Court, and American people,
>>
>>
>>>and it should comply => with the letter and spirit
>>>  
>>>
>>of the US constitution.
>>
>>
>>>=>
>>>=> I think the new Democratic Congress will try to
>>>  
>>>
>>bring => "habeas corpus" 
>>
>>
>>>=> back into the legal process for those suspected
>>>  
>>>
>>of being => "enemy
>>
>>
>>>combatant".  I certainly hope so.  After all, this
>>>  
>>>
>>is America.
>>
>>
>>>=>
>>>=> Regards,
>>>=>
>>>=> LelandJ
>>>=> 
>>>
>>>I hope you are right, Leland.  I agree with pretty
>>>  
>>>
>>much everything you wrote
>>
>>
>>>about what is going on.  B

RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
=> 
=> Hi Leland!
=> 
=> And now the database has the information that you and Hal 
=> are conspiring against Israel and the Jews. You guys are toast.
=> -- 
=> 
=> Regards,
=> 
=> Pete

Pete, you might be on to something except for a couple of things.  I am 
pro-Israel and pro-ZionISM but totally anti-ZionIST  Over the last 70 years 
(since Python was discovered, Ed).  the leading factions of Zionism have 
operated with a level of fanaticism that rivals Islam.  These people conspired 
with Hitler's Reich in the 30s and having done that, are quite willing to do 
anything to promote their parochialism, including bringing death and 
destruction to their own people.  In trying to establish a place where Jews 
cannot be subjected to the horrors they have suffered over the ages, these 
ZionISTs have actually exacerbated the problem on an international scale.

B+
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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 27 December 2006 02:09, Adam Buckland wrote:
> You say you disagree with Israeli policy, I say you deny the holocaust
> etc etc etc

Hi Adam!

Come to think of it, I think I do remember something like that. Oh, well, they 
were toast already.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Pete Theisen
>
> And now the database has the information that you and Hal are conspiring
> against Israel and the Jews. You guys are toast.
-- 
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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 27 December 2006 10:56, Hal Kaplan wrote:
> => Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
> => 
> => Hi Leland!
> => 
> => And now the database has the information that you and Hal
> => are conspiring against Israel and the Jews. You guys are toast.

> Pete, you might be on to something except for a couple of things.  I am
> pro-Israel and pro-ZionISM but totally anti-ZionIST 

Hi Hal!

You are a fine, even excellent hair-splitter. As the beheader sharpens his ax 
you can talk him out of it. Great irony that the 'slims could use our 
database to find the victims. Or just take over the detention facility and 
start hacking away.
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RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
=> 
=> On Wednesday 27 December 2006 10:56, Hal Kaplan wrote:
=> > => Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy 
=> Fears => => 
=> > Hi Leland!
=> > =>
=> > => And now the database has the information that you and 
=> Hal => are 
=> > conspiring against Israel and the Jews. You guys are toast.
=> 
=> > Pete, you might be on to something except for a couple of 
=> things.  I 
=> > am pro-Israel and pro-ZionISM but totally anti-ZionIST
=> 
=> Hi Hal!
=> 
=> You are a fine, even excellent hair-splitter. As the 
=> beheader sharpens his ax you can talk him out of it. Great 
=> irony that the 'slims could use our database to find the 
=> victims. Or just take over the detention facility and start 
=> hacking away.
=> --
=> Regards,
=> 
=> Pete

Pete, if you want to see some amazing swordplay, please come north next summer 
and watch me circumcise house flies in mid-air.  Mr. Miyagi (from Karate Kid) 
was an amateur!

B+
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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 27 December 2006 17:24, Hal Kaplan wrote:

>
> Pete, if you want to see some amazing swordplay, please come north next
> summer and watch me circumcise house flies in mid-air.  Mr. Miyagi (from
> Karate Kid) was an amateur!

Hi Hal!

Oh, I believe you without seeing it, rabbi. But tell me, how do you know which 
flies are Jewish and are thus candidates for your ritual?
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RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
=> 
=> On Wednesday 27 December 2006 17:24, Hal Kaplan wrote:
=> 
=> >
=> > Pete, if you want to see some amazing swordplay, please come north 
=> > next summer and watch me circumcise house flies in mid-air.  Mr. 
=> > Miyagi (from Karate Kid) was an amateur!
=> 
=> Hi Hal!
=> 
=> Oh, I believe you without seeing it, rabbi. But tell me, how 
=> do you know which flies are Jewish and are thus candidates 
=> for your ritual?
=> -- 
=> 
=> Regards,
=> 
=> Pete

It is very difficult to explain, my son.  You will have to trust me on this.

BTW, I am talking glatt Kosher on this.  The fly must be at least 8 days old.  

B+
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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 27 December 2006 18:37, Hal Kaplan wrote:

> => Oh, I believe you without seeing it, rabbi. But tell me, how
> => do you know which flies are Jewish and are thus candidates
> => for your ritual?

> It is very difficult to explain, my son.  You will have to trust me on
> this.
>
> BTW, I am talking glatt Kosher on this.  The fly must be at least 8 days
> old.

Hi Hal!

Spends a third of his life waiting for your stroke.
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RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Kristyne McDaniel]

> You say you disagree with Israeli policy, I say you deny the holocaust
> etc etc etc

I say Madigan does not exist. He is an email robot that spews 1-liners, not
an actual person.

Kristyne McDaniel
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Re: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Pete Theisen]

On Sunday 31 December 2006 20:56, Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
> > You say you disagree with Israeli policy, I say you deny the holocaust
> > etc etc etc
>
> I say Madigan does not exist. He is an email robot that spews 1-liners, not
> an actual person.

Hi Kristyne!

And sells T-shirts.
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RE: [OT] Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears

[Michael Madigan]

like you're able to discern reality from fantasy.


--- Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > You say you disagree with Israeli policy, I say
> you deny the holocaust
> > etc etc etc
> 
> I say Madigan does not exist. He is an email robot
> that spews 1-liners, not
> an actual person.
> 
> Kristyne McDaniel
> http://www.mcstyles.com
> http://www.diabetesnme.com
> 
> 
> 
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