RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
I agree that doors on racks cost money, but if properly installed and the enclosure is filtered, it goes a long way to keeping the CPUs cool and running efficiently for a long time with minimal downtime. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hal Kaplan Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 6:17 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers? => Subject: RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers? => => You're right, you need to be able to stand in front of the => racks and open the back door on the racks, but no extra => clearance is needed on the sides. => => Jim => You guys have doors on your racks? WOW! You must be loaded (or were, before you bought the doors ). My experience has been that putting doors on and/or side panels, etc., means you're going to need more fans, light, power. This is all good for the rack manufacturer, but not so good for your budget. But if you have the wherewithal to do it right ... doors, side panels, fans, lights, etc. ... by all means, have fun! That's what all this crap we do is all about anyway ... having fun. B+ HALinNY [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
Agreed. 4 computers in towers (mini and full) are quieter than 1 2U rack mount -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers? On 12/15/06, Vince Teachout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would someone give me a brief tutorial on the advantages/disadvantes, > pros/cons of using a Rack server vs a Tower server? > Rack: smaller, denser, more expensive: use in a data center when you are paying for the amount of real estate your machine takes up. Noisier, usually: more air flow needed in a smaller space. Tower: larger, more room for more stuff inside. Noisy. ymmv -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
The doors I get are made of mesh so don't stop the airflow (Rittal). Simply employ a personnel manager to supply air for the conditioning. -- Michael Hawksworth Visual Fox Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.foxpro.co.uk ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
Ok, I admit it most of the doors are in the basement, but these two racks are in arrow of 7, still have their doors. By the way the price if the racks (60" or 72") is only about $50.00 more with the sides and door. On the other hand the filler panels for the front may break the budget. As for cooling we use under floor, so it is piped into the bottom of the racks and vented out in the ceiling. I've learned to tell the bean counter you can't by standard racks with out doors or sides, I think they have to be special ordered. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen the Cook Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:14 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers? Hal Kaplan <> wrote: > You guys have doors on your racks? WOW! You must be loaded (or > were, before you bought the doors ). My experience has been that > putting doors on and/or side panels, etc., means you're going to need > more fans, light, power. This is all good for the rack manufacturer, > but not so good for your budget. > > But if you have the wherewithal to do it right ... doors, side > panels, fans, lights, etc. ... by all means, have fun! That's what > all this crap we do is all about anyway ... having fun. Funny but I put the door on the outside of the server room and poof! It's secure. It's windows so I know it's all good ;-> Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 1:45 PM [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
Hal Kaplan <> wrote: > You guys have doors on your racks? WOW! You must be loaded (or > were, before you bought the doors ). My experience has been that > putting doors on and/or side panels, etc., means you're going to need > more fans, light, power. This is all good for the rack manufacturer, > but not so good for your budget. > > But if you have the wherewithal to do it right ... doors, side > panels, fans, lights, etc. ... by all means, have fun! That's what > all this crap we do is all about anyway ... having fun. Funny but I put the door on the outside of the server room and poof! It's secure. It's windows so I know it's all good ;-> Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 1:45 PM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
=> Subject: Re: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers? => => Hal Kaplan wrote: => > => Subject: RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers? => > => => > => You're right, you need to be able to stand in front of => the => racks => > and open the back door on the racks, but no extra => clearance is => > needed on the sides. => > => => > => Jim => > => => > => > You guys have doors on your racks? => => But of course we have doors on our racks. => => Where else do you put your Metallica and Nine Inch Nails stickers? => => Whil => Actually, I've been using the stickers to kind of dress-up the rusty bumpers on my HALmobile. I still haven't found any as strong as duct tape (we called it 100 MPH tape in the USAF) to keep the plastic sheets over the broken windows. Do you know of any group with macho stickers ... like duck tape (as they say now)? B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
Hal Kaplan wrote: > => Subject: RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers? > => > => You're right, you need to be able to stand in front of the > => racks and open the back door on the racks, but no extra > => clearance is needed on the sides. > => > => Jim > => > > You guys have doors on your racks? But of course we have doors on our racks. Where else do you put your Metallica and Nine Inch Nails stickers? Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
=> Subject: RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers? => => You're right, you need to be able to stand in front of the => racks and open the back door on the racks, but no extra => clearance is needed on the sides. => => Jim => You guys have doors on your racks? WOW! You must be loaded (or were, before you bought the doors ). My experience has been that putting doors on and/or side panels, etc., means you're going to need more fans, light, power. This is all good for the rack manufacturer, but not so good for your budget. But if you have the wherewithal to do it right ... doors, side panels, fans, lights, etc. ... by all means, have fun! That's what all this crap we do is all about anyway ... having fun. B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
You're right, you need to be able to stand in front of the racks and open the back door on the racks, but no extra clearance is needed on the sides. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hawksworth Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:56 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers? Just remember that you need to be able to open doors on both sides of the rack which adds to the footprint quite considerably. -- Michael Hawksworth Visual Fox Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.foxpro.co.uk [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
Just remember that you need to be able to open doors on both sides of the rack which adds to the footprint quite considerably. -- Michael Hawksworth Visual Fox Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.foxpro.co.uk ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
I give it try. What the real question is, How many systems do you need to give in the given space. If you use tower cases you will need some type of table, desk, shelves or rack to put them on. This tends to reduce the number if systems you can put in the space and make cabling a nightmare. Using rack mounted systems, (which do tend to cost more) you can get about a 40% high packing density of systems. Think if it this way a tower server could be 20 inches high X 9 Inches wide X 20 Inches deep and hold maybe 10 drives, where in a rack mount case you can get the same equipment in a 4 rack units (1 3/4 inches is a rack unit) by 19 inches wide and 30 inches deep. If you a using external raid chassis they can be mounted above or below the server which can be as little as 1 ru. As an example I have five Quad Xeon Servers each with a 24 drive raids, five UPS, 5 48 port switches and a shared keyboard, mouse and monitor for all the systems, in two 60 racks. The total foot print for these racks is 42 inches wide X 32 inches deep X 60 Inches High. I am on a raised floor system, so all the cables go down under the floor, which makes for a much nicer installation. The racks made cabling between chassis and configuring the systems much easier. The down side was the cost of the rack and the high price of the systems. If you only need a couple of servers towers are OK, but beyond that bit the bullet and buy the rack gear. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hal Kaplan Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:58 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject:RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers? => => You forgot to say we need more beer! => => John => Shouldn't that be "mass quantities" of beer? One major difference is that rack-mounts require racks. Racks are not cheap but they tend to look neater than a bunch of towers sitting around. Personally, I prefer towers or pizza boxes because they are easier to manipulate but I suppose that there is not much physical handling of a server once it is installed so a rack would not be so bad. We have both and tend to buy whichever is the best deal at the time of purchase. B+ HALinNY [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
Michael Hawksworth <> wrote: > Most tower servers these days can have conversion kits added so they > fit in towers but as Ted says, this is just extra cost if you don't > need to save floor space or need extra security. Racks are nicer to deal with. Usually the wires are easier to trace, and haven't the KVM for the central viewing is much better then the few sets of keyboard/mice all over the place and swapping the monitor cord as needed. If you looking at a rack and a few servers have you considered a Blade? Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.23/591 - Release Date: 12/17/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
Most tower servers these days can have conversion kits added so they fit in towers but as Ted says, this is just extra cost if you don't need to save floor space or need extra security. -- Michael Hawksworth Visual Fox Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.foxpro.co.uk ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
=> => You forgot to say we need more beer! => => John => Shouldn't that be "mass quantities" of beer? One major difference is that rack-mounts require racks. Racks are not cheap but they tend to look neater than a bunch of towers sitting around. Personally, I prefer towers or pizza boxes because they are easier to manipulate but I suppose that there is not much physical handling of a server once it is installed so a rack would not be so bad. We have both and tend to buy whichever is the best deal at the time of purchase. B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:05:42 -0600 "Whil Hentzen (Pro*)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Vince Teachout wrote: >> Would someone give me a brief tutorial on the advantages/disadvantes, >> pros/cons of using a Rack server vs a Tower server? >> >> When it comes to hardware, I am, in the words of the immortal Akroyd, >> "Jane, you ignorant slut." > >As we all are. Or should be. > >Because, as McCoy said to his boss, "Dammit, Jim, I'm a programmer, not >some type of hardware dweeb!" You forgot to say we need more beer! John > >Whil >P.S. We need more women talking like that on this list. > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
On 12/15/06, Vince Teachout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would someone give me a brief tutorial on the advantages/disadvantes, > pros/cons of using a Rack server vs a Tower server? > Rack: smaller, denser, more expensive: use in a data center when you are paying for the amount of real estate your machine takes up. Noisier, usually: more air flow needed in a smaller space. Tower: larger, more room for more stuff inside. Noisy. ymmv -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
Vince Teachout wrote: > Would someone give me a brief tutorial on the advantages/disadvantes, > pros/cons of using a Rack server vs a Tower server? > > When it comes to hardware, I am, in the words of the immortal Akroyd, > "Jane, you ignorant slut." As we all are. Or should be. Because, as McCoy said to his boss, "Dammit, Jim, I'm a programmer, not some type of hardware dweeb!" Whil P.S. We need more women talking like that on this list. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
