RE: [NF] Do you see apps moving to the web/cloud as positive?
Michael, Ozzie's CSA and was CTO. Ballmer's CEO. They both answer to the board. Aah, then he perhaps IS the guy who could certainly affect change in the right (whatever that is) direction rather than continuing an angle of the company that perhaps isn't correct (whatever that is)!! Bill Arnold -- get Ozzie's ear to push your pro-VFP agenda. gdr I think, for now, the better course of action is just to sell products and see where we stand in 5 or so years. MS is eventually going to have to do something about VFP's continuity, and I think they know that. Best resolution: turn it over to some team that will take it over with respect for MS's proprietary stuff, but keep it going. Bill ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I see many apps moving to technologies like Air and Silverlight, ultimately, which offer a web-based but rich-client-like experience, with the advantage of cross-platform. -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Bill Arnold wrote: Michael, I think, for now, the better course of action is just to sell products and see where we stand in 5 or so years. MS is eventually going to have to do something about VFP's continuity, and I think they know that. Best resolution: turn it over to some team that will take it over with respect for MS's proprietary stuff, but keep it going. Bill, M$ did do something about M$'s continuitythey decided not to continue with it! Bill -- why won't you see that it's over in terms of any forward development? Sure, the tool as it currently is will work for another decade+, but what you see is what you getnothing more than what we've got---with the exception of the great things folks are doing with Sedna/VFPXand that's some great stuff (e.g., Foxcharts). I don't feel bad about using VFP as it does so much and will continue to work for quite a while, but M$ is done with it. I don't think that could be any more clear than it is today. Seriously though---what more do you want M$ to do with FoxPro? What is VFP not doing now for you? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that why Microsoft is so lackluster? They are merely an army of yes-people that aren't going to speak up if they see something wrong? Paul, you and I have obviously must have met or know different people at Microsoft. I have not met a single yes-person, and in fact, I can say most of the softies I have met are rebels. And for the record, I know plenty of people outside of the Fox Team. --- Same here. Granted my knowledge is not at a decision maker, they are the force that either comes in to fix your blues or to show you how you can fix the blues you have with this or that from MicroSquish. Those same people can wear Blue ibm or grey deloitt etc. They are all hard working folk who can think and want to do the BEST for the client. More like a Miracle on 34th St. type of cater to the customer. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Do you see apps moving to the web/cloud as positive?
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 1:19 AM, Bill Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, Ozzie's CSA and was CTO. Ballmer's CEO. They both answer to the board. Aah, then he perhaps IS the guy who could certainly affect change in the right (whatever that is) direction rather than continuing an angle of the company that perhaps isn't correct (whatever that is)!! Bill Arnold -- get Ozzie's ear to push your pro-VFP agenda. gdr I think, for now, the better course of action is just to sell products and see where we stand in 5 or so years. MS is eventually going to have to do something about VFP's continuity, and I think they know that. Best resolution: turn it over to some team that will take it over with respect for MS's proprietary stuff, but keep it going. -- You sound like the H.S. kid that says I don't need to go to college. There is nothing there for me. Instead I'm going to change oil at the lube shop. 10 years later my step son said I wish I thought about college back then YMMV -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Do you see apps moving to the web/cloud as positive?
Michael, I think, for now, the better course of action is just to sell products and see where we stand in 5 or so years. MS is eventually going to have to do something about VFP's continuity, and I think they know that. Best resolution: turn it over to some team that will take it over with respect for MS's proprietary stuff, but keep it going. Seriously though---what more do you want M$ to do with FoxPro? What is VFP not doing now for you? I may have not been clear enough. I don't expect MS to do anything with FoxPro - other then not kill it. That may take work at some point, I don't know, but if it does someone should be allowed to do it. As far as enhancements, it's been shown that VFP can be used to improve itself, and that's fine with me. Bill ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Stephen Russell wrote: Ray says that the world is a changing. http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/22/the-ozzie-memo —software-is-dead-long-live-the-web/ Would you write software to do the vertical you do for use on the web instead? I'm definitely using a web-based database, with a fat client front end (using n-tier design for maximum flexibility/design). ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Unfortunately, I was unable to see this site from my business machine. When I looked into it, the site wanted to register 13 scripts. I declined to accept them all. Andrew Stirling 01250 874580 http://www.calcpay.co.uk HMRC Accredited UK payroll program Stephen Russell wrote: Ray says that the world is a changing. http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/22/the-ozzie-memo —software-is-dead-long-live-the-web/ Would you write software to do the vertical you do for use on the web instead? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Andrew Stirling wrote: Unfortunately, I was unable to see this site from my business machine. When I looked into it, the site wanted to register 13 scripts. I declined to accept them all. I don't even see the article! What crap. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Stephen posted a bad URL. Here's a correct URL sent as tinyurl to avoid word wrap. http://tinyurl.com/3zsuu3 Malcolm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Malcolm Greene wrote: Stephen posted a bad URL. Here's a correct URL sent as tinyurl to avoid word wrap. http://tinyurl.com/3zsuu3 Malcolm No no, I fixed his bum link, and it still shows nothing...verified by your good URL above. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Malcolm Greene wrote: Stephen posted a bad URL. Here's a correct URL sent as tinyurl to avoid word wrap. http://tinyurl.com/3zsuu3 I just see the ads...no article content. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Malcolm Greene wrote: Stephen posted a bad URL. Here's a correct URL sent as tinyurl to avoid word wrap. http://tinyurl.com/3zsuu3 Nope, it is still an empty article (Firefox on Mac). Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Strange. It worked for me this morning. (No snide remarks pleaseg) Try this page - the link in question is one of the most recent articles. http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/22/ Malcolm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Paul McNett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, it is still an empty article (Firefox on Mac). Try: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/22 and click on The Ozzie Memo -- no, wait, that's broken, too, there's ugly bits in the URL. Try (watch the wrap!) http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/22/the-ozzie-memo%e2%80%94software-is-dead-long-live-the-web/ Even if you could read it, it's an empty article. Microsoft announces that they have innovated The Mesh -- what Steve Jobs called the Digital Hub five years ago, only MS-centric. The mashups that Google and Yahoo and everyone else have been doing for years, only MS-centric. Brilliant insights include: 1. The Web is the Hub of our social mesh and our device mesh. Yeah, and...? 2. The Power of Choice as business moves to embrace the cloud. Choice? Who's been banging that drum? And MS puts in in airquotes. MS Choice: Take it or Leave it. 3.Small Pieces Loosely Joined for developers, within the cloud and across a world of devices. SPLJ was a very good book, but this is a terrible redefinition of it. Nothing to see here, move along... I thought Ozzie's memo from 2005 [1] was more insightful, though it's quite dated now. I think the Borg is assimilating him... [1] http://www.scripting.com/disruption/ozzie/theinternetservicesdisruptio.htm -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Malcolm Greene wrote: Strange. It worked for me this morning. (No snide remarks pleaseg) Try this page - the link in question is one of the most recent articles. http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/22/ There was a comment on MyMesh.com about Web 3.0.I didn't realize that Web 2.0 was old news already!!! Ugh ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Ted Roche wrote: snipped Nothing to see here, move along... I thought Ozzie's memo from 2005 [1] was more insightful, though it's quite dated now. I think the Borg is assimilating him... [1] http://www.scripting.com/disruption/ozzie/theinternetservicesdisruptio.htm Does this come as a shock that he or any other Microsoftie toes the company line? After all, that is his livelihood and bread/butter. They're paying the bills. To go against the hand that feeds you is asking to be fired and potentially having to find another job that does not take as good care of you. Same response when people complain about the VFP team disbanding.what did you expect them to do? They're soldiers in M$'s army, just following orders. They're just indians, not the chiefeven Ozzie. He's responsible to someone above him...(who is that anywaythat crazy, chair-throwing guy Ballmer? g) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Do you see apps moving to the web/cloud as positive?
MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: Does this come as a shock that he or any other Microsoftie toes the company line? After all, that is his livelihood and bread/butter. They're paying the bills. To go against the hand that feeds you is asking to be fired and potentially having to find another job that does not take as good care of you. Same response when people complain about the VFP team disbanding.what did you expect them to do? Is that why Microsoft is so lackluster? They are merely an army of yes-people that aren't going to speak up if they see something wrong? Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Paul McNett wrote: MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: Does this come as a shock that he or any other Microsoftie toes the company line? After all, that is his livelihood and bread/butter. They're paying the bills. To go against the hand that feeds you is asking to be fired and potentially having to find another job that does not take as good care of you. Same response when people complain about the VFP team disbanding.what did you expect them to do? Is that why Microsoft is so lackluster? They are merely an army of yes-people that aren't going to speak up if they see something wrong? There's a difference between saying this seems wrong and not being able to have any impact. Take Ken Levy or any other PM before. Ken specifically was quoted as saying he'd market VFP to those outside of the VFP church (...it's refeernced in the ProFox archives from Bouljewin(sp?) if you need the reference)...but the powers above him set him straight apparently shortly thereafter his appointment. Calvin could do virtually anything with VFP I'm sure, but the powers above him said enoughno more on that product...start working your wonders in DotNet instead. Then again, perhaps you're right with that comment...if the shoe fits, ... ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:35 PM, MB Software Solutions General Account [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this come as a shock that he or any other Microsoftie toes the company line? After all, that is his livelihood and bread/butter. They're paying the bills. To go against the hand that feeds you is asking to be fired and potentially having to find another job that does not take as good care of you. Ray Ozzie (http://www.crunchbase.com/person/ray-ozzie) holds the position of Chief Software Architect, Bill Gates former position, is an Officer of the company and answers to shareholders and the board. He's also had a couple of successful ventures (Notes, Groove) that don't leave him living from paycheck-to-paycheck. He's not doing it for the money. Same response when people complain about the VFP team disbanding.what did you expect them to do? Totally different situation. Great big glass ceiling between the workers and Billionaire Boy's Club. the chiefeven Ozzie. He's responsible to someone above him...(who is that anywaythat crazy, chair-throwing guy Ballmer? g) Ozzie's CSA and was CTO. Ballmer's CEO. They both answer to the board. And I'm not attacking the man. I think he's done some great work. I'm attacking the message. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Calvin could do virtually anything with VFP I'm sure, but the powers above him said enoughno more on that product...start working your wonders in DotNet instead. Or you could say he took an opportunity to work on something that was not a 20-year old codebase, and work on something strategic for the company when he was asked. g I posted a blog on this a long time ago and was told it was very close to the truth. Seriously, how would you have managed his career if you were in his shoes? How many of us here love working with code *someone* else developed as far back as the 1980's, with the dictate to keep 100% backwards compatibility when adding new features? That is exactly what Calvin (Richard, and Aleksey) was doing full-time for a long time. I doubt there are many people on this list who can say they are doing the same. If you have met Calvin you would know he is not a drone. These guys like doing what they are doing. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Is that why Microsoft is so lackluster? They are merely an army of yes-people that aren't going to speak up if they see something wrong? Paul, you and I have obviously must have met or know different people at Microsoft. I have not met a single yes-person, and in fact, I can say most of the softies I have met are rebels. And for the record, I know plenty of people outside of the Fox Team. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Ted Roche wrote: Ray Ozzie (http://www.crunchbase.com/person/ray-ozzie) holds the position of Chief Software Architect, Bill Gates former position, is an Officer of the company and answers to shareholders and the board. He's also had a couple of successful ventures (Notes, Groove) that don't leave him living from paycheck-to-paycheck. He's not doing it for the money. LOL! You may be rightbut he likes the paychecks, to be sure, I'll bet! (Who wouldn't?!) Same response when people complain about the VFP team disbanding.what did you expect them to do? Totally different situation. Great big glass ceiling between the workers and Billionaire Boy's Club. the chiefeven Ozzie. He's responsible to someone above him...(who is that anywaythat crazy, chair-throwing guy Ballmer? g) Ozzie's CSA and was CTO. Ballmer's CEO. They both answer to the board. Aah, then he perhaps IS the guy who could certainly affect change in the right (whatever that is) direction rather than continuing an angle of the company that perhaps isn't correct (whatever that is)!! Bill Arnold -- get Ozzie's ear to push your pro-VFP agenda. gdr And I'm not attacking the man. I think he's done some great work. I'm attacking the message. No, I didn't read you as attacking the man. Rather, I was referring to Rick Schummer's blog (although that obviously wasn't clear) where Rick said that many attack the team. I agree and appreciated your points, though. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Rick Schummer wrote: Is that why Microsoft is so lackluster? They are merely an army of yes-people that aren't going to speak up if they see something wrong? Paul, you and I have obviously must have met or know different people at Microsoft. I have not met a single yes-person, and in fact, I can say most of the softies I have met are rebels. And for the record, I know plenty of people outside of the Fox Team. I was mostly trying to slap MB's insinuation that Microsoft is an army of drones, not agree with him. Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Do you see apps moving to the web/cloud as positive?
Paul McNett wrote: Rick Schummer wrote: Is that why Microsoft is so lackluster? They are merely an army of yes-people that aren't going to speak up if they see something wrong? Paul, you and I have obviously must have met or know different people at Microsoft. I have not met a single yes-person, and in fact, I can say most of the softies I have met are rebels. And for the record, I know plenty of people outside of the Fox Team. I was mostly trying to slap MB's insinuation that Microsoft is an army of drones, not agree with him. No no no...let me clarify/correctI think that there are indeed rebels (like the Fox team and similar indians) but the chiefs are a different breed perhaps. Forget it...it's total supposition/impression and no hard factjust ramblings. I'm grumpy today. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Do you see apps moving to the web/cloud as positive?
Rick Schummer wrote: Calvin could do virtually anything with VFP I'm sure, but the powers above him said enoughno more on that product...start working your wonders in DotNet instead. Or you could say he took an opportunity to work on something that was not a 20-year old codebase, and work on something strategic for the company when he was asked. g I posted a blog on this a long time ago and was told it was very close to the truth. Seriously, how would you have managed his career if you were in his shoes? I don't think I said anything (or didn't mean to) to contradict his move. Obviously it's a good one that affords him much more professional growth and opportunity. The developer base for DotNet is huge, especially compared to Foxpro, which is miniscule in comparsion. How many of us here love working with code *someone* else developed as far back as the 1980's, with the dictate to keep 100% backwards compatibility when adding new features? That is exactly what Calvin (Richard, and Aleksey) was doing full-time for a long time. I doubt there are many people on this list who can say they are doing the same. If you have met Calvin you would know he is not a drone. These guys like doing what they are doing. I never meant to imply he's a drone. Sorry...my bad if so. I think he's brilliant. He could have done more with VFP for sure as he's a genius; however, a much better opportunity presented itself and he (very appropriately) took it. How's thatclear now? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Do you see apps moving to the web/cloud as positive?
MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: Paul McNett wrote: Rick Schummer wrote: Is that why Microsoft is so lackluster? They are merely an army of yes-people that aren't going to speak up if they see something wrong? Paul, you and I have obviously must have met or know different people at Microsoft. I have not met a single yes-person, and in fact, I can say most of the softies I have met are rebels. And for the record, I know plenty of people outside of the Fox Team. I was mostly trying to slap MB's insinuation that Microsoft is an army of drones, not agree with him. No no no...let me clarify/correctI think that there are indeed rebels (like the Fox team and similar indians) but the chiefs are a different breed perhaps. I think the chiefs suffer from a general lack of vision, that there are drones in Microsoft as there are in any company or human community, but that at the same time Microsoft employs some of the most brilliant minds and software architects in the world. That, and the sheer amount of money they have available to throw at a problem, means that they can succeed even after taking many hits. Forget it...it's total supposition/impression and no hard factjust ramblings. I'm grumpy today. Me too. I quit coffee cold-turkey this morning. Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Do you see apps moving to the web/cloud as positive?
How's thatclear now? Sure, so did you get a chance to take your happy pill? gdr Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Do you see apps moving to the web/cloud as positive?
I was mostly trying to slap MB's insinuation that Microsoft is an army of drones, not agree with him. Sorry Paul, I obviously missed your sarcasm. Poor grumpy MB, getting smacked around this evening. g Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Do you see apps moving to the web/cloud as positive?
Rick Schummer wrote: I was mostly trying to slap MB's insinuation that Microsoft is an army of drones, not agree with him. Sorry Paul, I obviously missed your sarcasm. Poor grumpy MB, getting smacked around this evening. g Well, I also got to call MS 'so lackluster'. How could I miss that opportunity? Kind of like saying she is very pregnant. :) Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Do you see apps moving to the web/cloud as positive?
Rick Schummer wrote: I was mostly trying to slap MB's insinuation that Microsoft is an army of drones, not agree with him. Sorry Paul, I obviously missed your sarcasm. Poor grumpy MB, getting smacked around this evening. g Oh no pity neededI deserved that for being ambiguous at best. I think I'm coming down with something...been feeling something (sick) coming on since this week began. Note to self: don't post when you feel like this. g ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
