Monitoring Email
Is there a way to have all incoming and outgoing emails (with attachments) sent to a secret user for later viewing? Les
"Running qmail" - by Richard Blum
Short review: It may work as a thicker replacement for Adam McKennas (no offense Adam!) qmail-HOWTO. It basically is a book that let's you set up a FreeBSD-box with qmail. It's title should therefore have been "Installation description for FreeBSD/qmail MTA". It does NOT meet the "life-with-qmail" (by Dave Sill) standard. * It tries to cover to much. Yes, there are interesting with a DNS-chapter, but please skip trivial things and focus on MAIL things. As an example; I found no mention of the very common CNAME configuration error. What had been good * It is too FreeBSD-centric. It includes comments for Linux but is way to much NON-generic. * Things are in wrong order. First an installation description without daemontools. Then a daemontools chapter first after a strange chapter about ezmlm. Whats good? It's quite hard to tell. * It covers daemontools 0.70. But not better than anyone else on the net including djb. * It covers dnscache (now djbdns). Really. Summary: DON'T BUY IT unless you just want a thick installation manual for a FreeBSD-qmail-box. Use life-with-qmail and http://www.qmail.org/ instead. I'll come back with a REAL review next week. /magnus -- http://x42.com/
Re: how to get off the mailing list?
Sam Carleton wrote: > > Can someone enlighten me as to how to remove myself from this mailing > list? I don't know myself, but I know a guy that does. His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Drop him a line, and I'm sure he'll be happy to help you... Good luck, Eric
tcpserver as an alternative to firewall?
Is anyone using tcpserver on a few daemon sockets as an alternative to a firewall? Thanks, John -- John ConoverTel. 408.370.2688 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 631 Lamont Ct. Cel. 408.772.7733 Campbell, CA 95008 Fax. 408.379.9602 http://www.johncon.com
AOL failing?
I'm getting CNAME_lookup_failed_temporarily._(#4.4.3) errors when sending mail to AOL.. I have the big DNS patch applied but that doesn't seem to be the problem: adam@spotted:~$ dig aol.com mx ; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> aol.com mx ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 10, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUERY SECTION: ;; aol.com, type = MX, class = IN ;; ANSWER SECTION: aol.com.0S IN MX15 yh.mx.aol.com. aol.com.0S IN MX15 za.mx.aol.com. aol.com.0S IN MX15 zb.mx.aol.com. aol.com.0S IN MX15 zc.mx.aol.com. aol.com.0S IN MX15 zd.mx.aol.com. aol.com.0S IN MX15 yb.mx.aol.com. aol.com.0S IN MX15 yc.mx.aol.com. aol.com.0S IN MX15 yd.mx.aol.com. aol.com.0S IN MX15 ye.mx.aol.com. aol.com.0S IN MX15 yg.mx.aol.com. ;; Total query time: 6 msec ;; FROM: spotted to SERVER: default -- 127.0.0.1 ;; WHEN: Wed Sep 6 02:12:31 2000 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 25 rcvd: 218 As you can see the reply size is only 218 bytes. Anyone else getting these? --Adam
RE: how to get off the mailing list?
> -Original Message- > From: Mike Glover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > I always thought that the red flag on the mailbox meant that there > was mail to be picked up... That refers to the little-known (and hard to achieve accidentally) "double down" position that means "No transport provider is available for delivery to this recipient."
Re: You sure do (was Re: I have a problem)
Stephen Bosch wrote: > > Ima Guru wrote: > > > I have a problem with qmail. Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! > > Sure! Reconfigure your frombulator and make sure that the permissions > are correct on your flarm scripts. Also, don't forget to thoroughly grease your muffler bearings and tighten your floating magnetronic dialator... Eric
Re: Email to SMS
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > > > > Is there a add on for qmail to enable email to SMS. > > > > Nothing specifically for qmail (that I know of), but for general Unix, > it shouldn't be too hard to cobble up a script or two using sms_client: > > http://freshmeat.net/projects/smsclient/?highlight=sms_client > > I use it to notify me of major problems on my network, and when my servers > detect hackers nosing around. Works very well... > Hello, i'm sorry to be interrupting you. But, i was wondering how i can send messages to the discussion list. I am injoined. Maybe you could help me out directly? I'm trying to send a copy of all my messages to a second address, and still retain it on the original email address. I've tried to put this into my .qmail file in my home directory. ~/.qmail second@address ./Mailbox But it doesent work. I use procmail to deliever to /var/spool/mail/$USER This is the error message i get: :35:57 izeman qmail: 968218557.463976 delivery 16: deferral: Uh-oh:_.qmail_has_file_delivery_but_has_x_bit_set._(#4.7.0)/ Thanks for any help :) Åge
RE: timestamp
try the date patch on http://www.qmail.org it is a patch to date822fmt.c search for that on the site, I am sure you will find the patch. Cheers Charles Warwick -Original Message- From: Alan Chung [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2000 3:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: timestamp I have setup the qmail server and tested. My system time is correct but when I sent mail through smtp server, the date appeared on head was totally wrong. Does anyone know why? Do I have to set system hardware clock to GMT or anything else? Any help will be appreciated. Alan Please Note: The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. If you have received this email in error, kindly notify the sender. The sender does not guarantee the integrity of this email or any attached files.
Re: Email to SMS
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > > Is there a add on for qmail to enable email to SMS. > Nothing specifically for qmail (that I know of), but for general Unix, it shouldn't be too hard to cobble up a script or two using sms_client: http://freshmeat.net/projects/smsclient/?highlight=sms_client I use it to notify me of major problems on my network, and when my servers detect hackers nosing around. Works very well... Eric
timestamp
I have setup the qmail server and tested. My system time is correct but when I sent mail through smtp server, the date appeared on head was totally wrong. Does anyone know why? Do I have to set system hardware clock to GMT or anything else? Any help will be appreciated. Alan
Re: I have a problem
And then mail it to someone. Eric Fabio Pedrazzoli wrote: > > Please guru write down your problem. > > Ima Guru wrote: > > > I have a problem with qmail. Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! > >
Re: Debian GNU/Linux (potato) Packages: var-qmail
Chris K. Young wrote: > He has a page saying what you are allowed to do, legally, for any > copyrighted software, without a licence. > http://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html yeah I knew about that one, I point people to it all the time > I'm not even sure that ezmlm and ucspi-tcp are distributable at all. interesting -- Jamie Heilman
Re: Book: 'Running qmail'
I've bought the book and as for quality I have to say it is mediocre. It starts out with descriptions of e-mail in general, qmail service, DNS and SMTP. Then it runs through installation and configuration and advanced qmail topics. The advanced topics cover mailing lists, daemontools (inetd is covered in the text), POP and IMAP servers, PPP server and supporting dial-in-clients. I found Part I lacking and the book would have lost little if it had been left out or trimmed down. Parts II and III were not bad but LWQ covered just as much. It actually looks as if Blum took LWQ and just modified it just a little. The PPP section is not that useful, I feel, to the beginning user as it would be something an ISP would use but what ISP would want to run qmail with inetd, which is what is used in the installation section. I referred to the book for some of the control file descriptions. The descriptions in the book are a bit more verbose than the man pages so better for newbies. Overall, I think that the book may benefit newbies who have had no exposure to e-mail before and want to or have to set up a mail server (some of the people on this list would fit the bill from what I've seen). But for anybody who's had any experience with e-mail or is comfortable with unix admin I would recommend Life With Qmail and the man pages. I set up my server using LWQ and the man pages and haven't looked at the book since. 2 1/2 stars. Beginners only. At 12:32 PM 9/6/00 +1100, you wrote: >I just saw my first qmail text in a local bookstore, entitled "Running >qmail". It's published by sams or someone, can anyone vouch for the >quality (or lack thereof) of this book? > >r. > >-- >Russell Davies >UNIX Systems Administrator >Deutsche Bank - ___ Kourosh Ghassemieh MindWare Information Systems & Technologies 9255 Sunset Blvd, Penthouse West Hollywood CA 90069 (310) 729-1784, (310) 271-9807 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++Networking the Small Business++
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
Quoted from Peter van Dijk: > On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 03:19:34PM -0400, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > I was going to try sending you mail directly to it with telnet, I > > missed the 25 at the end command line and ^D out of it. Believe me, > > it wasn't intentional. > > I believe you. That happens to me all the time :) That's why you use tcpclient: it doesn't have a default port. :-) ---Chris K. -- Chris, the Young One |_ but what's a dropped message between friends? Auckland, New Zealand |_ this is UDP, not TCP after all ;) ---John H. http://cloud9.hedgee.com/ |_ Robinson, IV
Re: Debian GNU/Linux (potato) Packages: var-qmail
Quoted from Jamie Heilman: > As long as we're talking about distribution policy, does Dan have a page > somewhere that says that all his software is offered under the same > license? He has a page saying what you are allowed to do, legally, for any copyrighted software, without a licence. http://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html > I mean not only does qmail get distributed as source-only in the > Debian project, but also ezmlm and the ucspi-tcp bundle. I'm not even sure that ezmlm and ucspi-tcp are distributable at all. > This has always > confused me as ucspi-tcp atleast doesn't have unreasonable installation > guidelines by default, why is it being distributed as source only? As far as I understand, unless a licence is given, all rights are reserved. I didn't know this when I started writing programs, so later on I had to put a blanket statement on my web site saying all my programs that were written before a certain date are public-domain. I hope it will suffice; it'd suck to have to revise all my programs just to put in a public-domain notice. ---Chris K. -- Chris, the Young One |_ but what's a dropped message between friends? Auckland, New Zealand |_ this is UDP, not TCP after all ;) ---John H. http://cloud9.hedgee.com/ |_ Robinson, IV
RE: how to get off the mailing list?
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Don Wright wrote: > This will > alert the mailman to not deliver the diskettes with the messages to the > "mailhost" not unlike the little red flag found on mailboxes. I always thought that the red flag on the mailbox meant that there was mail to be picked up... -mike -- "If I should take a notion to jump into the ocean Tain't nobody's bizness if I do" -- Billie Holiday GnuPG key available at http://devel.duluoz.net/pubkey.asc Key ID = 1024D/9A256AE5 1999-11-13 Mike Glover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Key fingerprint = EF6E 8BCB 4810 E98C F0FD 4596 367A 32B7 9A25 6AE5
RE: how to get off the mailing list?
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sam Carleton > > Can someone enlighten me as to how to remove myself from this mailing > list? That said, going to www.qmail.org gives you a nice link to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] that tells all about managing your subscription to this maillist.
RE: how to get off the mailing list?
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sam Carleton > Can someone enlighten me as to how to remove myself from this mailing > list? Some mailing lists provide unsubscribe information in each message, others in a "Welcome message" at the time you join (you keep all those, right?), still others do nothing and expect you to remember how you signed up and then use the key to correct the situation. In the event the key is not available, the following general information should be kept to ensure you do not receive excess email. This is what you need to do. Please read these instructions carefully before beginning. Tools needed: one hammer, one screwdriver, one pair of pliers, one heavy-duty pair of wire cutters, one bucket of saline water, a box of sani-wipes. Step #1: Stop payment on any checks that you may have sent to your Internet Service Provider (GOD). Step #2: If GOD is unresponsive and you are still receiving mail from this list, you will need to find the "mailhost". This is a machine usually located in a locked office. Every day around noon, the mailman will deliver a box of diskettes with that day's mail messages, including yours from this list, to this machine. Typically, only a handful of people have keys to the "mailhost". The reason why this machine is locked up is because this is typically the best, fastest, most powerful computer at your facility and the people with keys don't want to share it. If you must, break or pry the door down with one (1) hammer (you did get all the tools needed?). Step #3: Find the ON/OFF switch for this machine. Using the pliers, set the switch to the OFF position by tugging downwards until the disposable plastic switch breaks away from the computer casing. Discard the disposable plastic switch in an environmental-friendly manner. This will alert the mailman to not deliver the diskettes with the messages to the "mailhost" not unlike the little red flag found on mailboxes. This should resolve your mail problem immediately. Step #4: You may experience a recurrence of mail within 72 hours. If this should happen, you will need to disable the "mailhost" once again with more forceful measures. Repeat Step #2. Don't be suprised if there is a sturdier door in place than the one you destroyed previously. This is due to the fact that the "Have Key" clique found out that someone has seen their private stash of computer equipment. Step #5: After you have once again regained entry into the "mailhost" room, open up the back of the "mailhost". There may be a large tv-like device on top of the "mailhost" You will need to remove this first. Take your wire cutters, and cut any cables binding the tv-like device to the "mailhost". Set the tv-like device to the side. With your screwdriver, remove each and every screw that you can find on the "mailhost". Once this is done, the "mailhost" should break away into two or more pieces. Step #5: Find a large box with a fan attached to it. It will be clearly marked with the following labels: "Danger" "High Voltage" "Do not open - no user-servicable parts". Don't worry, these labels are merely in place to satisfy OSHA requirements and you are not in any danger at all. Take the bucket of saline water and pour it into any vents or ports that the large box may have. Any extra water should be poured directly into the computer chassis, be sure to properly soak each and every component. Step #6: In the event of fire (OSHA has been known to be right on occassion), douse any flames with the sani-wipes. This solution is provided without warranty. It is not bio-degradable or fat-free. In the event of sudden death, contact a physician immediately. Thanks to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Marriott) for this info. Hope this helps. Have a nice day.
[Qmail]Can qmail be used with procmail?
Hi, I like the procmail. It can deliever my mail to many separate mailbox. It is useful when I subscribe many mailing list. Hazy
RE: Book: 'Running qmail'
Someone on this list just recommended it to me. I won't mention the name as it is someone that is providing great help on this group. I have received a great deal of assistance from this group - it has been most appreciated. Even though I am not out of the woods yet, I think we are starting to see the light. Further, I think this group stands as a testament to the viability of LINUX. Micro who? I was an NT Engineer - NO MORE!!! hohohoho Tom -Original Message- From: Kathleen Farber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 9:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Book: 'Running qmail' (or lack thereof) of this book? SAYS IT ALL it's pretty much a descriptor nothing like the REAL world and these lists! I've got more help from these lists that this book doesn't even mention! The Newbie!! Kathleen -Original Message- From: John Gonzalez/netMDC admin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:36 PM To: Russell Davies Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Book: 'Running qmail' Many have mentioned in the past that the author of this book has written other very poor books, and that they felt ashamed to throw it away. The grabage was too good for the book, IIRC. On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Russell Davies wrote: | I just saw my first qmail text in a local bookstore, entitled "Running | qmail". It's published by sams or someone, can anyone vouch for the | quality (or lack thereof) of this book? | | r. | | -- | Russell Davies | UNIX Systems Administrator | Deutsche Bank | -- ___ _ __ _ __ /___ ___ /__ John Gonzalez/Net.Tech __ __ \ __ \ __/_ __ `__ \/ __ /_ ___/ MDC Computers/netMDC! _ / / / `__/ /_ / / / / / / /_/ / / /__ (505)439-0200/fax-437-3052 /_/ /_/\___/\__/ /_/ /_/ /_/\__,_/ \___/ http://www.netmdc.com [-[system info]---] 7:35pm up 118 days, 1:38, 5 users, load average: 0.18, 0.19, 0.15
how to get off the mailing list?
Can someone enlighten me as to how to remove myself from this mailing list?
Re: Book: 'Running qmail'
; (or lack thereof) of this book? ; ; SAYS IT ALL I guessed as much, I tend to be very skeptical about anything coming from 'sams'. r.
RE: Book: 'Running qmail'
(or lack thereof) of this book? SAYS IT ALL it's pretty much a descriptor nothing like the REAL world and these lists! I've got more help from these lists that this book doesn't even mention! The Newbie!! Kathleen -Original Message- From: John Gonzalez/netMDC admin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:36 PM To: Russell Davies Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Book: 'Running qmail' Many have mentioned in the past that the author of this book has written other very poor books, and that they felt ashamed to throw it away. The grabage was too good for the book, IIRC. On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Russell Davies wrote: | I just saw my first qmail text in a local bookstore, entitled "Running | qmail". It's published by sams or someone, can anyone vouch for the | quality (or lack thereof) of this book? | | r. | | -- | Russell Davies | UNIX Systems Administrator | Deutsche Bank | -- ___ _ __ _ __ /___ ___ /__ John Gonzalez/Net.Tech __ __ \ __ \ __/_ __ `__ \/ __ /_ ___/ MDC Computers/netMDC! _ / / / `__/ /_ / / / / / / /_/ / / /__ (505)439-0200/fax-437-3052 /_/ /_/\___/\__/ /_/ /_/ /_/\__,_/ \___/ http://www.netmdc.com [-[system info]---] 7:35pm up 118 days, 1:38, 5 users, load average: 0.18, 0.19, 0.15
RE: Alias Support Question
Jaun/Tim: I think this is where the problem is. The document that I configured the virtual domain from, as well as single user ID support (http://www.tibus.net/pgregg/projects/qmail/single-uid-howto.html) said nothing about what this identifier was, or how it was supposed to be used. So, to answer questions: 1) Well what does missionprinting-org represent on your system? It does not represent anything. I did not set anything up anywhere to correspond to this value. 2) Is it a defined user in your /etc/passwd file? NO. It is not. *** Per the above referenced document, I have configured a individual user ID in the /etc/passwd file to support the single user ID feature. The user is called pop3ctrl. So, how should I do this? Should I proceed as follows: 1) In /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains Change from: missionprinting.org:missionprinting-org Change to: missionprinting.org:pop3ctrl 2) In /var/qmail/users/assign Change entries from: =missionprinting-org-tom.sarratt.jr:pop3ctrl:508:503:/popboxes/mprnt/sarrt2: :: Change entries to: =pop3ctrl-tom.sarratt.jr:pop3ctrl:508:503:/popboxes/mprnt/sarrt2::: *** Is this the right idea? Is this the only alterations I should have to make to get this ball rolling? Please review and comment. Regards, Tom Sarratt -Original Message- From: Timothy Lorenc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 6:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question By I mean an entry in /etc/passwd or in /var/qmail/users/assign... Well what does missionprinting-org represent on your system? is it a defined user in your /etc/passwd file?
Re: Book: 'Running qmail'
Many have mentioned in the past that the author of this book has written other very poor books, and that they felt ashamed to throw it away. The grabage was too good for the book, IIRC. On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Russell Davies wrote: | I just saw my first qmail text in a local bookstore, entitled "Running | qmail". It's published by sams or someone, can anyone vouch for the | quality (or lack thereof) of this book? | | r. | | -- | Russell Davies | UNIX Systems Administrator | Deutsche Bank | -- ___ _ __ _ __ /___ ___ /__ John Gonzalez/Net.Tech __ __ \ __ \ __/_ __ `__ \/ __ /_ ___/ MDC Computers/netMDC! _ / / / `__/ /_ / / / / / / /_/ / / /__ (505)439-0200/fax-437-3052 /_/ /_/\___/\__/ /_/ /_/ /_/\__,_/ \___/ http://www.netmdc.com [-[system info]---] 7:35pm up 118 days, 1:38, 5 users, load average: 0.18, 0.19, 0.15
Book: 'Running qmail'
I just saw my first qmail text in a local bookstore, entitled "Running qmail". It's published by sams or someone, can anyone vouch for the quality (or lack thereof) of this book? r. -- Russell Davies UNIX Systems Administrator Deutsche Bank
We desire e-mail duplication
In order to test a backup set of servers with live traffic, we would like to duplicate the messages coming in and direct the copy to the backup servers. They will black-hole the messages after processing them. Would this be possible to do with an alias rule or something like that, perhaps one that injects the mail into another queue which is forwarded to our other servers? Or maybe write some sort of custom filter that puts the same message in two queues? Any thoughts? It seems like it shouldn't be too hard the way qmail is designed. David David Ihnen Integration Engineer myCIO 503-670-4018
Re: Slightly Off Topic
> Since qmail doesn't support fallback smtp hosts, does anyone know how to > setup linux to go out a different way...let me explain. > > I have 2 dsl connections to the internet with seperate providers. As it > stands know if the one with the default route dies I am sunk unless I am > here to change. I would like to have 2 default routes and have it use one > as the primary and the other as the secondary default route. I have tried > many different things but cannot get it to work. I have tried putting both > in as default and one having a slightly higher metric and pulled the plug on > the main on, but nothing goes out until I plug it back in. > > Any ideas??? While I'm not positive, I don't think this is possible without significant investment of time. The only way to do this, I think, is with BGP or some other dynamic routing protocol. You might check into the iproute2 stuff (search on freshmeat.net for iproute2 to find the HOWTO), but I think even that is not going to accomplish what you want. /pg -- Peter Green : Gospel Communications Network, SysAdmin : [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- There is, however, a strange, musty smell in the air that reminds me of something...hmm...yes...I've got it...there's a VMS nearby, or I'm a Blit. --- Larry Wall in Configure from the perl distribution
Re: Bounce capablity lost
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Wilson Henriquez wrote: > I used to be able to bounce messages to unknown addresses, and now that > I have installed tcpserver I no longer can. I still have > &[EMAIL PROTECTED] in .qmail-default in the alias directory. How do > I get the functionality back? I also noticed that instead of having > mail sent to /var/qmail/users/theuser/Mailbox/new the mail is now going > to /var/spooler/mail/theuser. What happened? What can I do to have my > mail go into the old place? Sounds like sendmail is running. Double check all of your startup scripts. Vince. -- == Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSHemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pop4.net 128K ISDN from $22.00/mo - 56K Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directoryhttp://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstorehttp://www.cloudninegifts.com ==
Re: deferral message 451
Quoting Christopher Tolley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Damn...Since I messed that up completely, here is another try: OK. Well I know you're trying to help the guy with his DNS issues, but I'm afraid I read your mail and decided I had to comment. > Your IP reverses back to this: > > 42.147.30.206.in-addr.arpa. 1D IN PTR server.lsbsolutions.com. > > Same potential problem. The PTR should point to lsbsolutions.com, > not server.lsbsolutions.com How is that? There is an A record for server.lsbsolutions.com in the DNS. > Also, you should be using CNAMEs instead of multiple A records. The > only time you need more than one A record in a zone is when it's > different. I don't think your advice is going to solve his problem, nor do I quite understand your reasoning. Granted that using CNAMEs can be convenient when services are moved, but there is absolutely no harm in not using CNAMEs at all. CNAME lookups take longer, even. For spam-checking, the remote host will do a lookup on the A and MX record for your domain name. If it gets neither, but there are NS records for the domain, the message is deferred. If no NS records, it's not in the root servers, it gets rejected. I don't see how messing around with all of his records is going to change the result. In my mind, what is likely happening is that the lookups are merely timing out, so the message is deferred. I noted a peculiar delay when querying those name servers. When the records are expired from the cache on the name server those machines are using, it could be they aren't getting any answer from teoi.net in a timely manner, so the mail is deferred. It could also be true that the name servers those mail servers are using just plain suck or the mail servers themselves need to be reconfigured (perhaps they are using name servers in a seperate collision domain and the link in between is congested, hell I dunno). Forward and reverse lookups match just fine. I don't see a thing wrong with that zone, really. > smtp1D IN CNAME serverlookups here That CNAME points to a valid A record, so do the others. How does that create a "nested lookup?" > localhost 1D IN A 127.0.0.1 <---localhost.lsbsolutions.com? ppl > can't get to it, so why in DNS? Hmm, why indeed? Well, how about for software that doesn't use /etc/hosts, like qmail? If it weren't in the DNS, they would not even know what the IP address for "localhost" is! That's but one argument in favor of a "localhost" A record. I think geographical and network-diverse name servers are what he needs. If you note, they are both within the same network, which we know can lead to DNS outage. :) Aaron
Re: Alias Support Question
"Tom Sarratt Jr." wrote: > > Ok. Now it seems that we might have something here. > > I kinda suspected that we are not even reading the files in the alias > directory because everything else is working just as it is supposed to. > > I take it from this EMAIL that I need to look into VPOPMAIL. Where do I > read up about this? Is this something that I should consider using to > resolve the alias problem? Here you go http://www.inter7.com/vchkpw/ -- Dale Miracle System Administrator Teoi Virtual Web Hosting
Bounce capablity lost
I used to be able to bounce messages to unknown addresses, and now that I have installed tcpserver I no longer can. I still have &[EMAIL PROTECTED] in .qmail-default in the alias directory. How do I get the functionality back? I also noticed that instead of having mail sent to /var/qmail/users/theuser/Mailbox/new the mail is now going to /var/spooler/mail/theuser. What happened? What can I do to have my mail go into the old place? Thanks in Advance! -Wilson
RE: Alias Support Question
Tim, My virtualdomains file contains the following: missionprinting.org:missionprinting-org Other information about the file: Filename: /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains access params: 0644 owner: root group: root *** Its interesting, because below, you said: misssionprinting.org: QUESTION: What is *** This may be where I am hitting my head. Please let me know. Thanks! Tom Sarratt -Original Message- From: Timothy Lorenc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question Hmmm Then you have opened up a whole nother can of worms... In the /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains file you should have: misssionprinting.org: I suggest that you go out and buy: Running qmail Author: Richard Blum ISBN: 0-672-31945-4 Printed: August 2000 Publisher: SAMS Publishing Or look at installing vpopmail package to manage virtual domains properly... -Tim -Original Message- From: tom.sarratt.jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question Yes, I am using Virtual Domains. Regards, Tom -Original Message- From: Timothy Lorenc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 1:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question Tom, Are you using virutaldomains? -Tim -Original Message- From: tom.sarratt.jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 1:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question Tim, Thank you for the previous recommendations. However, it still is not working... (this is crazy) To answer you directly: 1) In /var/qmail/control does rcpthosts and locals have: missionprinting.org in them? ANSWER: rcpthosts did have it. locals did not have it. Instructions provided at: http://www.tibus.net/pgregg/projects/qmail/single-uid-howto.html specifically said not to add . to the locals file as it would disturb delivery of EMAIL. I tried it, and the server would receive EMAIL for everyone, but would not place the EMAIL in anyone's boxes. 2) Users are defined as you documented below in the assign file. 3) START/STOP QMAIL. At this point, I am rebooting the server just to be sure... *** More suggestions will be welcomed. Please keep me in mind! Thanks! Tom Sarratt -Original Message- From: Timothy Lorenc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question Tom, In /var/qmail/control does rcpthosts and locals have: missionprinting.org in them? And the next thing I can think of is where does the email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] point to? Is it defined in /var/qmail/users/assign file? =tom.sarrett.jr::UID:GID And then you created the cdb file using the /var/qmail/bin/qmail-newu command? Or is it an aliases that is defined in /etc/aliases that is used by fastforward? I am just throwing out ideas... to debug this... And after all the changes, have you stopped and started qmail? I have attached a PDF which helps to show the flow through qmail (the Big Picture)... -Tim -Original Message- From: tom.sarratt.jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 9:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question Tim, Thanks for the suggestion, however, after changing ownership and acces params, it still would not work. Therefore, this is how the .qmail-postmaster file looks now: Filename: /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-postmaster access params: 0644 owner: root group: qmail File Contents: START OF FILE [EMAIL PROTECTED] END OF FILE Exact contents of the error message: *** START OF CONTENTS *** Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mpmail.inside.missionprinting.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: (qmail 3525 invoked by uid 508); 5 Sep 2000 02:24:40 - Received: from unknown (HELO sarrtport1) (158.95.210.54) by mpmail.inside.missionprinting.org with SMTP; 5 Sep 2000 02:24:40 - Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "tom.sarratt.jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: FW: TEST Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:23:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c016e0$4b73cea0$36d25f9e@sarrtport1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal ANOTHER TEST -Original Message- From: tom.sarratt.jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sen
preline pitfall
Notice to people using preline from their own programs which encounter preline: usage: preline cmd [ arg ... ] while testing from the commandline: this error is also given if any of the environment variables UFLINE, RPLINE or DTLINE are missing. Got the better of me over the last 20 minutes... Greetz, Peter -- dataloss networks
Re: Date field shows GMT time
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:32:36PM -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote: > Whenever I get messages from qmail (MAILER-DAEMON) the Date: field shows > time in GMT (-). However, we are in the North American Central time > zone. Our system is set with the correct time zone (well, at least date > says CDT). Is there any way to tell qmail to use CDT when composing bounce > messages, etc? No. Look at http://qmail.faqts.com/ PGP signature
Re: daemontools 4 linux
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 09:13:14PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > I'm just curious if daemontools works under linux (my question > may occur to you stupid but I'd like to have certainty because > I read that it is only for unix). And BTW what do I gain (or rather > my linux) from having daemontools installed on my system? Yes, daemontools work under linux. Greetz, Peter -- dataloss networks
variable mail delivery
Hi there! I have a dial-up ppp connection from a single computer to my ISP and use a free SMTP- and POP3-server to fetch and send email for ALL local users. Configuration of qmail is essentially as described in the mailqueue-howto and everything works fine. (maildir for outgoing mail is /var/qmail/alias/pppout, owned by user alias). However it'd be nice to have qmail send the mail directly to the mail server IF and only if a connection is established and ELSE put it into pppout. (flushed in the ip-up script of pppd, run suid root) To possibly save(?) some time: 1) Every time a user builds up a connection, mail of ALL users should be sent out. (Otherwise separate maildirs that are flushed before shutting down the connection would work; now impossible due to security). 2) I tried to set this up with a condredirect statement, but once the mail has become local I understand that it will be ugly to reconstruct the recipients from the message header. 3) Surely it's inacceptable not to store mail in pppout and to let qmail-remote retry message delivery until a PPP connection is up (even computers have better things to do, and think of the retry schedule :) 4) Hope I'm right that this hasn't got anything to do with inetd/tcpserver??? Any ideas how to make this work? I know that this is not exactly what qmail was designed for, but if everything else works out well, .. maybe .. I wouldn't be surprised if it was impossible, since my way is doubtful even to me. Someone should reassure me to let go the approach of sending out mail of ALL users in ip-up... Thanks in advance, sorry for any mistakes (English or qmailish), Ingo
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 03:19:34PM -0400, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Andy Meuse wrote: > > > Vince, please don't try to telnet into my mail server anymore. :( > > I was going to try sending you mail directly to it with telnet, I > missed the 25 at the end command line and ^D out of it. Believe me, > it wasn't intentional. I believe you. That happens to me all the time :) Greetz, Peter -- dataloss networks
Re: Date field shows GMT time
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:32:36PM -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote: > Whenever I get messages from qmail (MAILER-DAEMON) the Date: field shows > time in GMT (-). However, we are in the North American Central time > zone. Our system is set with the correct time zone (well, at least date > says CDT). Is there any way to tell qmail to use CDT when composing bounce > messages, etc? No. And, trust me, you don't want it to. Sorting out what's wrong when headers are from 5 different timezones is a pain. Greetz, Peter -- dataloss networks
Re: QMTP
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:47:38PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > I understand it fine. I just have to get as much info as possible for our > developers so they can code it up. Just want to make sure they don't have > to do a ton of debugging due some subtle mistake somewhere. QMTP is too simple to make subtle mistakes :) Greetz, Peter -- dataloss networks
Re: Slightly Off Topic
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:32:01PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Shane Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 5 September 2000 at 01:43:35 >-0500 > > Kinda off topic, but with the intelligent people in this group hopefully I > > can get an answer. > > > > Since qmail doesn't support fallback smtp hosts, does anyone know how to > > setup linux to go out a different way...let me explain. Wut? qmail supports fallback smtp hosts. Greetz, Peter. -- [ircoper][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Peter van Dijk / Hardbeat [student]Undernet:#groningen/wallops | IRCnet:/#alliance [developer]_ [disbeliever - the world is backwards](__VuurWerk__(--*-
listproc to ezmlm, anyone done this???
Is there an easy way to convert the archives? * John McCoy, Jr Systems Administrator Central Systems, Mills College 510-430-3321 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
qmail-smtpd logging
Is there any way to track messages or to link the log entries from qmail-smtpd and qmail-send so that I may map the network connections and where the mail is being sent, i.e. much the same way that my sendmail logs used to look. */log/run files look like this... [chains@franklin /]$ cat /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send/log/run #!/bin/sh exec /usr/local/bin/setuidgid qmaill \ /usr/local/bin/multilog t /var/log/qmail/qmail-send/ [chains@franklin /]$ cat /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd/log/run #!/bin/sh exec /usr/local/bin/setuidgid qmaill \ /usr/local/bin/multilog t /var/log/qmail/qmail-smtpd/ Thanks, --Larry
daemontools 4 linux
Hi, I'm just curious if daemontools works under linux (my question may occur to you stupid but I'd like to have certainty because I read that it is only for unix). And BTW what do I gain (or rather my linux) from having daemontools installed on my system? Thanks 4 help, qba
RE: ORBS doesn't like me :(
I reconfigured tcprules and now everything is fine. I think I had edited the tcp.smtp and it never occured to me to rerun tcprules, that or the "-c 50" in the tcpserver command line below was effin it up. exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 400 \ /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -c 50 -u503 -g502 0 smtp \ /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 2>&1 | /var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd 3 & Anyway, thanks for the pointers everyone. -=Andy > -Original Message- > From: Vince Vielhaber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 3:20 PM > To: Andy Meuse > Cc: 'Qmail (E-mail)' > Subject: RE: ORBS doesn't like me :( > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Andy Meuse wrote: > > > Vince, please don't try to telnet into my mail server anymore. :( > > I was going to try sending you mail directly to it with telnet, I > missed the 25 at the end command line and ^D out of it. Believe me, > it wasn't intentional. > > Vince. > > > > > Sep 5 14:31:42 qmail in.telnetd[6995]: refused connect > from 209.103.136.12 > > > > -Andy > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Vince Vielhaber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 2:34 PM > > > To: Andy Meuse > > > Cc: Qmail (E-mail) > > > Subject: RE: ORBS doesn't like me :( > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Andy Meuse wrote: > > > > > > > this is my tcp.smtp file > > > > > > > > 172.16.3.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > > > 4.17.165.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > > > 207.244.122.53.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > > > :allow > > > > > > How are you creating tcp.smtp.cdb ? > > > > > > Vince. > > > -- > > > == > > > > > > Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSHemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.pop4.net > > > 128K ISDN from $22.00/mo - 56K Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 > > > Networking > > > Online Campground Directoryhttp://www.camping-usa.com > > >Online Giftshop Superstorehttp://www.cloudninegifts.com > > > == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > == > > Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSHemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pop4.net 128K ISDN from $22.00/mo - 56K Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directoryhttp://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstorehttp://www.cloudninegifts.com ==
Re: xinetd and qmail-pop3d
Hi, check my Qmail Web-page: http://www.fehcom.de/qmail_en.html xinetd is maintained by synack: http://synack.net Works fine anyway. cheers. eh. At 18:02 5.9.2000 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Hello, > > I have been trying to set up qmail and xinetd. No prob >lem th the >smtp part, it works perfectly... but I was unable to set up qmail-pop3d >correctly. Anyone has experience with this? Is there any disadvantage to >use xinetd with qmail? > > > >--- - > Paco Gracia > Director Técnico > Amira Sistemas +---+ | fffhh http://www.fehcom.deDr. Erwin Hoffmann | | ff hh| | ffeee ccc ooomm mm mm Wiener Weg 8 | | fff ee ee hh hh cc oo oo mmm mm mm 50858 Koeln| | ff ee eee hh hh cc oo oo mm mm mm| | ff eee hh hh cc oo oo mm mm mm Tel 0221 484 4923 | | ff hh hhccc ooomm mm mm Fax 0221 484 4924 | +---+
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
Quoting Andy Meuse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I created a rcpthosts file populated with my domain. Now the error I'm > recieving after sending remote mail is .. > > "No transport provider was available for delivery to this recipient." Heh.. that doesn't say anything. That's an Outlookism that it spits out when it really does not know what is going on (like all of the time). "No transport provider .." bah! If you could provide the actual error message that qmail-smtpd spits out, and that reasonable mailers will show you, that certainly would help a lot. In any case, the problem is (almost) certainly that RELAYCLIENT is not set for the connection, hence qmail does not allow you to relay to any domain not in rcpthosts. Aaron
RE: ORBS doesn't like me :(
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Andy Meuse wrote: > Vince, please don't try to telnet into my mail server anymore. :( I was going to try sending you mail directly to it with telnet, I missed the 25 at the end command line and ^D out of it. Believe me, it wasn't intentional. Vince. > > Sep 5 14:31:42 qmail in.telnetd[6995]: refused connect from 209.103.136.12 > > -Andy > > > -Original Message- > > From: Vince Vielhaber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 2:34 PM > > To: Andy Meuse > > Cc: Qmail (E-mail) > > Subject: RE: ORBS doesn't like me :( > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Andy Meuse wrote: > > > > > this is my tcp.smtp file > > > > > > 172.16.3.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > > 4.17.165.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > > 207.244.122.53.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > > :allow > > > > How are you creating tcp.smtp.cdb ? > > > > Vince. > > -- > > == > > > > Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSHemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pop4.net > > 128K ISDN from $22.00/mo - 56K Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 > > Networking > > Online Campground Directoryhttp://www.camping-usa.com > >Online Giftshop Superstorehttp://www.cloudninegifts.com > > == > > > > > > > > > > > -- == Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSHemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pop4.net 128K ISDN from $22.00/mo - 56K Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directoryhttp://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstorehttp://www.cloudninegifts.com ==
RE: ORBS doesn't like me :(
Vince, please don't try to telnet into my mail server anymore. :( Sep 5 14:31:42 qmail in.telnetd[6995]: refused connect from 209.103.136.12 -Andy > -Original Message- > From: Vince Vielhaber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 2:34 PM > To: Andy Meuse > Cc: Qmail (E-mail) > Subject: RE: ORBS doesn't like me :( > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Andy Meuse wrote: > > > this is my tcp.smtp file > > > > 172.16.3.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > 4.17.165.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > 207.244.122.53.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > :allow > > How are you creating tcp.smtp.cdb ? > > Vince. > -- > == > > Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSHemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pop4.net > 128K ISDN from $22.00/mo - 56K Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 > Networking > Online Campground Directoryhttp://www.camping-usa.com >Online Giftshop Superstorehttp://www.cloudninegifts.com > == > > > > >
Date field shows GMT time
Whenever I get messages from qmail (MAILER-DAEMON) the Date: field shows time in GMT (-). However, we are in the North American Central time zone. Our system is set with the correct time zone (well, at least date says CDT). Is there any way to tell qmail to use CDT when composing bounce messages, etc?
RE: QMTP
I understand it fine. I just have to get as much info as possible for our developers so they can code it up. Just want to make sure they don't have to do a ton of debugging due some subtle mistake somewhere. Jay -Original Message- From: Peter van Dijk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:51 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: QMTP On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:35:08AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Where would I find detailed specs on the QMTP protocol? I've found some > stuff at http://cr.yp.to/proto/qmtp.txt, but I need more. What part of that document is unclear to you, or what don't you understand? You might want to read serialqmtp.c (in serialmail) and qmail-qmtpd.c (in qmail) I am glancing over qmtp.txt and it's mostly quite clear to me, except the stuff about 'safe messages'. If none of the bytes in a safe message can be <0a>, when the hell *do* we see a safe message? Looking at serialqmtp, it seems to just *disregard* this problem and pump the message into the packet. Cool, no more CRLF/LF conversions :) If it's netstrings that confuse you, read http://cr.yp.to/proto/netstrings.txt Greetz, Peter -- dataloss networks
Re: Debian GNU/Linux (potato) Packages: var-qmail
Russell Nelson wrote: > through symlinks, so what's the big deal? Binaries can actually be > stored in /usr/bin, control files can actually be stored in > /etc/qmail, the queue can actually be in /var/spool. And in fact with the current qmail-src package thats exactly how it works. Mostly. The maintainer annoyingly left out /var/qmail/bin, but that can be (and should be) fixed. > If you want to see a *real* horror, look at how qmail gets started up. aye > fact, I'd even say that their method is wrong. Nobody goes to Debian > people and asks them for MTA support (at least I'd hope not, not > unless Debian plans on reinventing *every* wheel). Oh but they do. Lurk in #debian on openprojects.net sometime. But thats ok, I mean thats partly why #debian is there. Now what I'd really like to see is Debian move towards is the /usr/ports mechanism which accomodates qmail distribution not unlike the qmail-src packages only without the feeling of being a total hack. As long as we're talking about distribution policy, does Dan have a page somewhere that says that all his software is offered under the same license? I mean not only does qmail get distributed as source-only in the Debian project, but also ezmlm and the ucspi-tcp bundle. This has always confused me as ucspi-tcp atleast doesn't have unreasonable installation guidelines by default, why is it being distributed as source only? -- Jamie Heilman http://wcug.wwu.edu/~jamie/ "We must be born with an intuition of mortality. Before we know the words for it, before we know there are words, out we come bloodied and squalling with the knowledge that for all the compasses in the world, there's only direction, and time is its only measure." -Rosencrantz
RE: ORBS doesn't like me :(
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Andy Meuse wrote: > this is my tcp.smtp file > > 172.16.3.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > 4.17.165.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > 207.244.122.53.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > :allow How are you creating tcp.smtp.cdb ? Vince. -- == Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSHemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pop4.net 128K ISDN from $22.00/mo - 56K Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directoryhttp://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstorehttp://www.cloudninegifts.com ==
Re: Slightly Off Topic
Shane Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 5 September 2000 at 01:43:35 -0500 > Kinda off topic, but with the intelligent people in this group hopefully I > can get an answer. > > Since qmail doesn't support fallback smtp hosts, does anyone know how to > setup linux to go out a different way...let me explain. > > I have 2 dsl connections to the internet with seperate providers. As it > stands know if the one with the default route dies I am sunk unless I am > here to change. I would like to have 2 default routes and have it use one > as the primary and the other as the secondary default route. I have tried > many different things but cannot get it to work. I have tried putting both > in as default and one having a slightly higher metric and pulled the plug on > the main on, but nothing goes out until I plug it back in. > > Any ideas??? I'm not completely sure which part of the problem you're loooking for help with. What you describe sounds like a routing problem more than anything else. With 2 dsl connections, you need to be running a real router somewhere between those connections and your systems that knows how to see when one of the routes goes away. -- Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon Bookworms: http://ouroboros.demesne.com/ SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
Johan Almqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 5 September 2000 at 17:51:11 +0200 > On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 04:42:45PM +0200, Peter van Dijk wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:37:32AM -0400, Andy Meuse wrote: > > > Hmmm. I removed my rcpthosts file. > > Put it back. Without an rcpthosts file, you are an open relay. > > That's always surprised me. I would have assumed that qmail would > default to control/me if rcpthosts is empty. Any reason why it doesn't? So far as I remember the discussion back some time ago, no, there isn't any particular reason. Dan just wrote it the other way. -- Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon Bookworms: http://ouroboros.demesne.com/ SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Alias Support Question
You don't need vpopmail (http://www.vpopmail.cx) but its really nice to help manage virtual domains. You can also get a web based admin and webmail and IMAP from the same people (http://www.inter7.com) You probably just have to do a bit more reading on virtual domains, many sites were just recently mentioned on the list. -- Tim -Original Message- From: Tom Sarratt Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question Ok. Now it seems that we might have something here. I kinda suspected that we are not even reading the files in the alias directory because everything else is working just as it is supposed to. I take it from this EMAIL that I need to look into VPOPMAIL. Where do I read up about this? Is this something that I should consider using to resolve the alias problem? Thanks! Tom Sarratt -Original Message- From: Tim Hunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question This confirms what I was thinking then, It looks as if you have missionprinting.org setup as a virtual domain, therefore the ~alias is not the proper place to put the aliases for that domain, as you can see its not even looked at. I never have read the single-uid-howto, I use vpopmail; however I would assume you would need to put aliases for the domain within the domain home dir. -- Tim Hunter -Original Message- From: tom.sarratt.jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 2:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question Tim, Thank you for the previous recommendations. However, it still is not working... (this is crazy) To answer you directly: 1) In /var/qmail/control does rcpthosts and locals have: missionprinting.org in them? ANSWER: rcpthosts did have it. locals did not have it. Instructions provided at: http://www.tibus.net/pgregg/projects/qmail/single-uid-howto.html specifically said not to add . to the locals file as it would disturb delivery of EMAIL. I tried it, and the server would receive EMAIL for everyone, but would not place the EMAIL in anyone's boxes. 2) Users are defined as you documented below in the assign file. 3) START/STOP QMAIL. At this point, I am rebooting the server just to be sure... *** More suggestions will be welcomed. Please keep me in mind! Thanks! Tom Sarratt -Original Message- From: Timothy Lorenc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question Tom, In /var/qmail/control does rcpthosts and locals have: missionprinting.org in them? And the next thing I can think of is where does the email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] point to? Is it defined in /var/qmail/users/assign file? =tom.sarrett.jr::UID:GID And then you created the cdb file using the /var/qmail/bin/qmail-newu command? Or is it an aliases that is defined in /etc/aliases that is used by fastforward? I am just throwing out ideas... to debug this... And after all the changes, have you stopped and started qmail? I have attached a PDF which helps to show the flow through qmail (the Big Picture)... -Tim -Original Message- From: tom.sarratt.jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 9:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question Tim, Thanks for the suggestion, however, after changing ownership and acces params, it still would not work. Therefore, this is how the .qmail-postmaster file looks now: Filename: /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-postmaster access params: 0644 owner: root group: qmail File Contents: START OF FILE [EMAIL PROTECTED] END OF FILE Exact contents of the error message: *** START OF CONTENTS *** Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mpmail.inside.missionprinting.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: (qmail 3525 invoked by uid 508); 5 Sep 2000 02:24:40 - Received: from unknown (HELO sarrtport1) (158.95.210.54) by mpmail.inside.missionprinting.org with SMTP; 5 Sep 2000 02:24:40 - Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "tom.sarratt.jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: FW: TEST Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:23:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c016e0$4b73cea0$36d25f9e@sarrtport1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal ANOTHER TEST -Original Message- From: tom.s
Re: Setup Antispam
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 5 September 2000 at 10:13:27 -0500 > > Hi Managers: > > I'm setup my antispam rules y need help me > I tried my setup of this way: > telnet mailabuse.org > > but this test give me this result: > > Relay test 4 > >>> MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]@myserver.com> > <<< 250 ok > >>> RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <<< 250 ok > >>> RSET > <<< 250 flushed > System appeared to accept a relay > Connection closed by foreign host. > > Where I should change my rules? > I use the configuration of "Life With Qmail" This is a flawed test. Qmail accepts this email, but it does *not* relay it. At the time of receipt, qmail-smtpd does not know in detail what local addresses are valid. Given the complexities of dot-qmail files, including .qmail-default files, it can't reasonably know. So it accepts anything for a domain that's in rcpthosts, and it gets sorted out later. -- Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon Bookworms: http://ouroboros.demesne.com/ SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shouldn't rcpthosts be empty to ward off spam?
wolfgang zeikat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 5 September 2000 at 10:36:38 +0200 > Also sprach David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 04.09.2000: > > >If a spammer sent that message with an envelope recipient of > >[EMAIL PROTECTED], it would be accepted because newmediaone.net is in > >rcpthosts. > > does that mean: the message is accepted *and* the mails to the Cc: header > recipients (which are not in rcpthosts) are *also* delivered? that was the > original question. No; as I said, the headers in the message have *no* impact on the process. They're just data. > >If the spammer sent a second envelope recipient of [EMAIL PROTECTED], > >and aol.com is NOT in your rcpthosts, he'd get an error on that > >recipient (unless RELAYCLIENT had been set through tcpserver when this > >connection was accepted). > > does a Cc: header create a second envenlope recipient? (so far i thought > it doesnt) That's a question about how the sending MTA works; and is thus irrelevant. By some process, which we don't care about, the sending MTA decides what envelope recipients there will be for a message. It then connects to our system and starts presenting those recipients. It presents them one at a time. We can accept some and reject others. We accept only those whose FQDN part is in rcpthosts (unless the RELAYCLIENT variable is set enablling relaying for this connection, in which case we accept *anything*). After presenting the recipients, the message data is transmitted, and we queue the result, and eventually qmail-send puts lspawn and/or rspawn to work on it. -- Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon Bookworms: http://ouroboros.demesne.com/ SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: I have a problem
Impliment an LDAP lookup with mailboxes referenced to different LDAP servers via the data in a mySQL database, and be sure to add in content filtering so that no dirty jokes get through, and open to relay and consult ORBS, get yourself on the RBL list, and put the queue on a really small partition. David > -Original Message- > From: Johan Almqvist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:10 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: I have a problem > > > On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 03:02:28PM -0500, Ima Guru wrote: > > I have a problem with qmail. Can someone tell me how to fix > it? Thanks! > > Help! > > I don't have a problem with qmail. Please give me one! > > -Johan > -- > Johan Almqvist >
Re: Semi-OT: Allowing only specific email clients.
If everything else fails, you can still get job at Microsoft! Kris Kelley wrote: > > I'm currently brainstorming ways that a mail server can be modified to work > only with specific email clients.
Re: Real slow shutdown of RedHat 6.x
I do not know how the LWQ initscripts work, but probably they just try to terminate the qmail processes. If you have a lot of qmail-remotes running, it may take a while till all stop. You may insert a timeout in the initscripts: after, say, 120s sigkill the qmail processes. This way, you may get duplicate messages sent out, but you will not loose mail. Not a great solution, but if your shutdown is urgent, better than nothing. Mate
RE: ORBS doesn't like me :(
Yep, I have the locals set up with my domain(s). Since I have been an open relay, and then when I create a rcpthosts file it seems SMTP rejects me, I suppose my tcprules or tcpserver or both are configured incorrectly. Again here is the error message. "No transport provider was available for delivery to this recipient." I was sending local to hotmail account, and also tried other external addresses. (Yahoo, Juno etc.) this is my tcp.smtp file 172.16.3.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" 4.17.165.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" 207.244.122.53.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" :allow The mail server is on the 4.17.165.0 network Users are on the 172.16.3.0 network Here are the commands I run qmail from in rc.local # starts Qmail basics /bin/csh -cf '/var/qmail/rc &' & # Starts pop3 server from tcpserver /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup qmail.buyerzone.com \ /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 2>&1 | /var/qmail/bin/splogger pop3d & #This modifies the qmail-queue for qmail virus scan #QMAILQUEUE="/var/qmail/bin/qmail-scanner-queue.pl" export QMAILQUEUE # Tcpserver with relaying rules found in /etc/tcp.smtp exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 400 \ /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -c 50 -u503 -g502 0 smtp \ /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 2>&1 | /var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd 3 & Hmmm. Should the -c 50 be right after tcpserver? rcpthosts & locals read... buyerzone.com buyerszone.com mail.buyerzone.com mail.buyerszone.com qmail.buyerzone.com qmail.buyerszone.com Thanks again, Andy And yes I've read the FAQ and LWQ so much my eyes hurt. I did have problems getting qmail to run using daemontools (RCDIR config I think) so I inserted the startup commands into rc.local. > Andy Meuse schrieb: > do you have your domain in ~/control/locals too? > > you will need that for qmail to realize that mails for your domain > should be delivered locally and *not* passed on elsewhere. > > wolfgang > > > > > I created a rcpthosts file populated with my domain. Now > the error I'm > > recieving after sending remote mail is .. > > > > "No transport provider was available for delivery to this > recipient." > > > > Local mail is unaffected. > > > > thx for all the replies, > > -Andy >
Re: file /users/assign
> Marco wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I tried the diagnostic utility www.qmail.org/qmail-lint-0.55 and I
> received this message:
>
> Warning: users/assign checking not implemented
>
> The file contains the following:
>
>
>+{domain.name}-:{domain.name}:{vpopmailUID}:{vpopmailGID}:/home/vpopmail/domains/{domain.name}:-::
> .
This looks correct. vadddomain will create a line exactly like the
above.
>
> The question is: what is the syntax for this file.
You can find the syntax in the qmail-users man page.
> and what is its role
> in the message delivering to a user created with qmailadmin?
qmailadmin only allows you to add users to a virtual domain
created by vpopmail. In this case, only one line is required
in the assign file per domain. The domains should match the
domains listed in /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains
Qmail will read the /var/qmail/user/cdb file to determine what
uid/gid and directory to have qmail-local deliver a message to.
vpopmail also supports adding virtual users for accepting email
being sent to domains in your /var/qmail/control/locals file.
In this case, each new user would have two lines in the
/var/qmail/users/assign file. And qmailadmin can not be used
to admin these users.
Try sending email using qmail-inject and watching your qmail
log files.
Ken Jones
> It's not functioning properly.
> Thank you
> Marco
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
Re: QMTP
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:35:08AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Where would I find detailed specs on the QMTP protocol? I've found some > stuff at http://cr.yp.to/proto/qmtp.txt, but I need more. What part of that document is unclear to you, or what don't you understand? You might want to read serialqmtp.c (in serialmail) and qmail-qmtpd.c (in qmail) I am glancing over qmtp.txt and it's mostly quite clear to me, except the stuff about 'safe messages'. If none of the bytes in a safe message can be <0a>, when the hell *do* we see a safe message? Looking at serialqmtp, it seems to just *disregard* this problem and pump the message into the packet. Cool, no more CRLF/LF conversions :) If it's netstrings that confuse you, read http://cr.yp.to/proto/netstrings.txt Greetz, Peter -- dataloss networks
Re: I have a problem
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 03:02:28PM -0500, Ima Guru wrote: > I have a problem with qmail. Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! Help! I don't have a problem with qmail. Please give me one! -Johan -- Johan Almqvist
Re: You sure do (was Re: I have a problem)
In private mail, he admitted to me that he was running version 4.03 of libgadzooks instead of version 4.04. After updating that, he's okay now. I don't know how he missed it, it's clearly documented at http://10.9.8.7/~joeblow/mycoolstuff.old/gadzooks.html Chris > From: John Gonzalez/netMDC admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:58:40 -0600 (MDT) > > > no no no, you've got it all wrong. > > He needs to have a close inspection of the quazidariarian, especially > section 6.4.A of the manual. > > Surely, that will fix the problem. > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Stephen Bosch wrote: > > | Ima Guru wrote: > | > | > I have a problem with qmail. Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! > | > | Sure! Reconfigure your frombulator and make sure that the permissions > | are correct on your flarm scripts. > | > | HTH, > | > | Stephen > | > > -- > ___ _ __ _ > __ /___ ___ /__ John Gonzalez/Net.Tech > __ __ \ __ \ __/_ __ `__ \/ __ /_ ___/ MDC Computers/netMDC! > _ / / / `__/ /_ / / / / / / /_/ / / /__ (505)439-0200/fax-437-3052 > /_/ /_/\___/\__/ /_/ /_/ /_/\__,_/ \___/ http://www.netmdc.com > [-[system info]---] > 10:55am up 117 days, 16:58, 4 users, load average: 0.29, 0.24, 0.19 > -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
RE: Alias Support Question
Ok. Now it seems that we might have something here. I kinda suspected that we are not even reading the files in the alias directory because everything else is working just as it is supposed to. I take it from this EMAIL that I need to look into VPOPMAIL. Where do I read up about this? Is this something that I should consider using to resolve the alias problem? Thanks! Tom Sarratt -Original Message- From: Tim Hunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question This confirms what I was thinking then, It looks as if you have missionprinting.org setup as a virtual domain, therefore the ~alias is not the proper place to put the aliases for that domain, as you can see its not even looked at. I never have read the single-uid-howto, I use vpopmail; however I would assume you would need to put aliases for the domain within the domain home dir. -- Tim Hunter -Original Message- From: tom.sarratt.jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 2:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question Tim, Thank you for the previous recommendations. However, it still is not working... (this is crazy) To answer you directly: 1) In /var/qmail/control does rcpthosts and locals have: missionprinting.org in them? ANSWER: rcpthosts did have it. locals did not have it. Instructions provided at: http://www.tibus.net/pgregg/projects/qmail/single-uid-howto.html specifically said not to add . to the locals file as it would disturb delivery of EMAIL. I tried it, and the server would receive EMAIL for everyone, but would not place the EMAIL in anyone's boxes. 2) Users are defined as you documented below in the assign file. 3) START/STOP QMAIL. At this point, I am rebooting the server just to be sure... *** More suggestions will be welcomed. Please keep me in mind! Thanks! Tom Sarratt -Original Message- From: Timothy Lorenc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question Tom, In /var/qmail/control does rcpthosts and locals have: missionprinting.org in them? And the next thing I can think of is where does the email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] point to? Is it defined in /var/qmail/users/assign file? =tom.sarrett.jr::UID:GID And then you created the cdb file using the /var/qmail/bin/qmail-newu command? Or is it an aliases that is defined in /etc/aliases that is used by fastforward? I am just throwing out ideas... to debug this... And after all the changes, have you stopped and started qmail? I have attached a PDF which helps to show the flow through qmail (the Big Picture)... -Tim -Original Message- From: tom.sarratt.jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 9:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Alias Support Question Tim, Thanks for the suggestion, however, after changing ownership and acces params, it still would not work. Therefore, this is how the .qmail-postmaster file looks now: Filename: /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-postmaster access params: 0644 owner: root group: qmail File Contents: START OF FILE [EMAIL PROTECTED] END OF FILE Exact contents of the error message: *** START OF CONTENTS *** Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mpmail.inside.missionprinting.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: (qmail 3525 invoked by uid 508); 5 Sep 2000 02:24:40 - Received: from unknown (HELO sarrtport1) (158.95.210.54) by mpmail.inside.missionprinting.org with SMTP; 5 Sep 2000 02:24:40 - Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "tom.sarratt.jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: FW: TEST Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:23:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c016e0$4b73cea0$36d25f9e@sarrtport1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal ANOTHER TEST -Original Message- From: tom.sarratt.jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 9:22 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject:TEST *** END OF CONTENTS *** Do anyone have any suggestions as to why the ALIAS support feature does not work? Thanks! Tom Sarratt -Original Message- From: Timothy Legant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Alias Support Question On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 11:04:10AM -0500, tom.sarratt.jr wrote: > [snip...]
Re: You sure do (was Re: I have a problem)
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:58:40AM -0600, John Gonzalez/netMDC admin wrote: > > no no no, you've got it all wrong. > > He needs to have a close inspection of the quazidariarian, especially > section 6.4.A of the manual. > > Surely, that will fix the problem. And don't forget to epibrate the whole thing after that. Greetz, Peter -- dataloss networks
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
Andy Meuse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I created a rcpthosts file populated with my domain. Now the error I'm > recieving after sending remote mail is .. > > "No transport provider was available for delivery to this recipient." > > Local mail is unaffected. I'm not familiar with this error message. What was the recipient address, what is your local domain, what is the contents of rcpthosts and locals, ... > > You need the :allow to let other servers on the net connect to your machine > > to deliver mail to you. > > I thought I read that the :allow is redundant since the default is to > allow any connection? Yes, my bad. It is the default. I just like being explicit in tcp rules files. Charles -- -- Charles Cazabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> QCC Communications Corporation Saskatoon, SK My opinions do not necessarily represent those of my employer. --
List performance?
Has anyone else noticed that the list seems to be performing sluggishly today? Normally i send a message to the list and it comes back within 10 seconds (if that's believable, given the number of subscribers) Today it seems to be taking upwards of the 2-5 minute range. I know this is _more_ then acceptable, and is still quicker then most lists, however, this list is usually faster? -- ___ _ __ _ __ /___ ___ /__ John Gonzalez/Net.Tech __ __ \ __ \ __/_ __ `__ \/ __ /_ ___/ MDC Computers/netMDC! _ / / / `__/ /_ / / / / / / /_/ / / /__ (505)439-0200/fax-437-3052 /_/ /_/\___/\__/ /_/ /_/ /_/\__,_/ \___/ http://www.netmdc.com [-[system info]---] 11:10am up 117 days, 17:13, 4 users, load average: 0.09, 0.14, 0.16
Re: You sure do (was Re: I have a problem)
no no no, you've got it all wrong. He needs to have a close inspection of the quazidariarian, especially section 6.4.A of the manual. Surely, that will fix the problem. On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Stephen Bosch wrote: | Ima Guru wrote: | | > I have a problem with qmail. Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! | | Sure! Reconfigure your frombulator and make sure that the permissions | are correct on your flarm scripts. | | HTH, | | Stephen | -- ___ _ __ _ __ /___ ___ /__ John Gonzalez/Net.Tech __ __ \ __ \ __/_ __ `__ \/ __ /_ ___/ MDC Computers/netMDC! _ / / / `__/ /_ / / / / / / /_/ / / /__ (505)439-0200/fax-437-3052 /_/ /_/\___/\__/ /_/ /_/ /_/\__,_/ \___/ http://www.netmdc.com [-[system info]---] 10:55am up 117 days, 16:58, 4 users, load average: 0.29, 0.24, 0.19
RE: ORBS doesn't like me :(
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Andy Meuse wrote: | Here is a recap of my situation. ORBS says I'm an open relay. I had no | rcpthosts file so there you go. When I create a rcpthosts file local users | can't send remote mail. You need to read LWQ, and specifically, the section on selective relaying. http://web.infoave.net/~dsill/lwq.html#relaying http://www.palomine.net/qmail/relaying.html http://www.palomine.net/qmail/selectiverelay.html | I thought I read that the :allow is redundant since the default is to allow | any connection? It is redundant. It's put in there to be syntaxtically correct in case the default behavior changes in the future. -- ___ _ __ _ __ /___ ___ /__ John Gonzalez/Net.Tech __ __ \ __ \ __/_ __ `__ \/ __ /_ ___/ MDC Computers/netMDC! _ / / / `__/ /_ / / / / / / /_/ / / /__ (505)439-0200/fax-437-3052 /_/ /_/\___/\__/ /_/ /_/ /_/\__,_/ \___/ http://www.netmdc.com [-[system info]---] 10:50am up 117 days, 16:53, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.16, 0.16
Re: xinetd and qmail-pop3d
Most of the people on the list either choose two methods: 1. The lazy method, use inetd. Works fine, and most systems are already setup for inetd. 2. The good method. Use tcpserver. tcpserver, also written by DJB is fast, stable, and can be secured much like inetd, but with more functionality. I dont have alot of experience with xinetd, but if you are going to do some work into getting it to work, you might want to look at using tcpserver instead. tcpserver can be found at: http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp.html On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Hello, | | I have been trying to set up qmail and xinetd. No problem with the | smtp part, it works perfectly... but I was unable to set up qmail-pop3d | correctly. Anyone has experience with this? Is there any disadvantage to | use xinetd with qmail? | | Thanks in advance | | Paco Gracia | Director Técnico | Amira Sistemas -- ___ _ __ _ __ /___ ___ /__ John Gonzalez/Net.Tech __ __ \ __ \ __/_ __ `__ \/ __ /_ ___/ MDC Computers/netMDC! _ / / / `__/ /_ / / / / / / /_/ / / /__ (505)439-0200/fax-437-3052 /_/ /_/\___/\__/ /_/ /_/ /_/\__,_/ \___/ http://www.netmdc.com [-[system info]---] 10:40am up 117 days, 16:43, 5 users, load average: 0.51, 0.19, 0.13
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 08:44:22AM -0700, Ihnen, David wrote: > Why bother setting up rcpthosts if your server is firewalled off from the > internet, being an internal mail handler/relay anyway? There are cases where people intentionally want to create open relays, and there should be a mechanism to allow that. But AFAIC the current method makes it too easy to shoot oneself in the foot. Too often people take the premise that "rcpthosts lists the domains to accept mail for" (to paraphrase) and use that to make the conclusion that "no rcpthosts means accepting mail for no domains". While it is incorrect, it's not an entirely off-the-wall thought progression. Regards, james -- James Raftery (JBR54) - Programmer Hostmaster - IE TLD Hostmaster IE Domain Registry - www.domainregistry.ie - (+353 1) 706 2375 "Managing 4000 customer domains with BIND has been a lot like herding cats." - Mike Batchelor, on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Semi-OT: Allowing only specific email clients.
I'm currently brainstorming ways that a mail server can be modified to work only with specific email clients. Ideas like user authentication and different port numbers are good places to start, but other popular clients can be easily configured to accomodate these changes. One possibility I'm looking at is to have the client send a specific text string in its HELO or EHLO command. The server would then reject any connections that didn't have this text string. Is this viable? If so, how hard would it be modify qmail to work this way? I am adept at C programming and have even coded my own SMTP server in the past. Of course, if there's already a patch out there that does this, even better. I'm also open to other suggestions on how to make a server work with only specific clients. The clients will be coded in-house, so we will have complete control over the syntax the clients and servers use. At this point I'm not completely convinced my company needs to tie the servers specifically to their clients, but it's being bandied about, so I want to make sure I have a course of action ready should they decide this is the way to go. Thanks! ---Kris Kelley
You sure do (was Re: I have a problem)
Ima Guru wrote: > I have a problem with qmail. Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! Sure! Reconfigure your frombulator and make sure that the permissions are correct on your flarm scripts. HTH, Stephen
RE: ORBS doesn't like me :(
I created a rcpthosts file populated with my domain. Now the error I'm recieving after sending remote mail is .. "No transport provider was available for delivery to this recipient." Local mail is unaffected. thx for all the replies, -Andy Here is a recap of my situation. ORBS says I'm an open relay. I had no rcpthosts file so there you go. When I create a rcpthosts file local users can't send remote mail. > You need the :allow to let other servers on the net connect > to your machine > to deliver mail to you. I thought I read that the :allow is redundant since the default is to allow any connection? > rcpthosts should exist and contain domains for which you will > accept mail -- > typically the contents of the files 'locals' plus > virtualdomains and perhaps > a few others (backup MX, etc). > > Charles
Re: QMTP
The code for serialmail comes with code to send via qmtp. - Original Message - From: "Austad, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:35 AM Subject: QMTP > Where would I find detailed specs on the QMTP protocol? I've found some > stuff at http://cr.yp.to/proto/qmtp.txt, but I need more. > > We're writing a little piece of code that's going to sit on a couple of > hundred Win2000 webservers that can talk QMTP to our qmail box for faster > delivery. Users come to our site and sign up for automatically generated > charts and other such things and the webservers generate the content for the > email and send it off using SMTP right now. We need to speed this up as > much as possible, and QMTP looks like the best way to do it since we already > have a qmail box sending most of our other subscriber mail.
xinetd and qmail-pop3d
Hello, I have been trying to set up qmail and xinetd. No problem with the smtp part, it works perfectly... but I was unable to set up qmail-pop3d correctly. Anyone has experience with this? Is there any disadvantage to use xinetd with qmail? Thanks in advance Paco Gracia Director Técnico Amira Sistemas
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Johan Almqvist wrote: > On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 04:42:45PM +0200, Peter van Dijk wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:37:32AM -0400, Andy Meuse wrote: > > > Hmmm. I removed my rcpthosts file. > > Put it back. Without an rcpthosts file, you are an open relay. > An empty rcpthosts != no rcpthosts at all. empty means "i don't take mail for any domain". No files mean "i don't limit any domain". And rcpthosts does not assume me if empty. man 8 qmail-smtpd for more info. RC -- +--- | Ricardo Cerqueira | PGP Key fingerprint - B7 05 13 CE 48 0A BF 1E 87 21 83 DB 28 DE 03 42 | Novis - Engenharia ISP / Rede Técnica | Pç. Duque Saldanha, 1, 7º E / 1050-094 Lisboa / Portugal | Tel: +351 21 010 - Fax: +351 21 011 PGP signature
RE: ORBS doesn't like me :(
Because you more often want a mail server to relay your mail than not to relay your mail. Why bother setting up rcpthosts if your server is firewalled off from the internet, being an internal mail handler/relay anyway? David > -Original Message- > From: Johan Almqvist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:51 AM > To: Peter van Dijk; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: ORBS doesn't like me :( > > > On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 04:42:45PM +0200, Peter van Dijk wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:37:32AM -0400, Andy Meuse wrote: > > > Hmmm. I removed my rcpthosts file. > > Put it back. Without an rcpthosts file, you are an open relay. > > That's always surprised me. I would have assumed that qmail would > default to control/me if rcpthosts is empty. Any reason why > it doesn't? > > -Johan > -- > Johan Almqvist >
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:08:15AM -0400, Andy Meuse wrote: > I put the rcpthosts back and all mail (local and remote) was returned > undeliverable. However, I had also removed the :allow from my tcp.smtp so I > don't know if that is the problem. Ack! You are mighty confused. The 'allow' and 'deny' statements specify whether a tcp connection from a given IP address will be allowed or denied, not whether any messages passed over the connection will be accepted for delivery. rcpthosts is a list of domains for which your mailer will accept mail. You need to list the domains for which that machine should accept email. Take a look at the relaying doccumentation at http://www.qmail.org/, if you need to setup selective relaying (i.e. allowing certain people - your users - to use your machine to send their email) Regards, james -- James Raftery (JBR54) - Programmer Hostmaster - IE TLD Hostmaster IE Domain Registry - www.domainregistry.ie - (+353 1) 706 2375 "Managing 4000 customer domains with BIND has been a lot like herding cats." - Mike Batchelor, on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Johan Almqvist wrote: | On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 04:42:45PM +0200, Peter van Dijk wrote: | > On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:37:32AM -0400, Andy Meuse wrote: | > > Hmmm. I removed my rcpthosts file. | > Put it back. Without an rcpthosts file, you are an open relay. | | That's always surprised me. I would have assumed that qmail would | default to control/me if rcpthosts is empty. Any reason why it doesn't? I think this has been requested by some list users in the past, but it's not that big of a deal. All it does is secure someone from blowing their foot off on accident. Of course, with the behavior as default, them being put on antispam lists might be a worse "long term" effect, as it's hard to get off some of the lists to a newbie. Oh well, i guess it's punishment for not reading the docs properly -- ___ _ __ _ __ /___ ___ /__ John Gonzalez/Net.Tech __ __ \ __ \ __/_ __ `__ \/ __ /_ ___/ MDC Computers/netMDC! _ / / / `__/ /_ / / / / / / /_/ / / /__ (505)439-0200/fax-437-3052 /_/ /_/\___/\__/ /_/ /_/ /_/\__,_/ \___/ http://www.netmdc.com [-[system info]---] 9:45am up 117 days, 15:48, 4 users, load average: 0.10, 0.18, 0.18
Re: Setup Antispam
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm setup my antispam rules y need help me > I tried my setup of this way: > telnet mailabuse.org As long as you haven't enabled the percenthack, your machine won't relay this message. Read the list archives, the FAQ, and Dave Sill's excellent Life with qmail article. Charles -- -- Charles Cazabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> QCC Communications Corporation Saskatoon, SK My opinions do not necessarily represent those of my employer. --
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
> I put the rcpthosts back and all mail (local and remote) was returned > undeliverable. However, I had also removed the :allow from my tcp.smtp so I > don't know if that is the problem. The lack of a rcpthosts file was *definitely* the problem. When you don't have this file, qmail's default behavior is to accept and relay email for the entire Internet. Having an ":allow" line in your tcp.smtp file won't affect your server's behavior one way or the other. This line tells tcpserver to accept connections from any remote host (besides those mentioned elsewhere in the tcp.smtp file), but don't modify any environment variables during the session (such as RELAYCLIENT). This is tcpserver's default behavior anyway, so the only reason to have this line is for the sake of readability. Note that allowing a host to make a connection is not the same thing as allowing that host to use your server as a relay. So, the short answer is, now that you have a rcpthosts file again, ORBS will stop blacklisting you. ---Kris Kelley
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
Andy Meuse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I put the rcpthosts back and all mail (local and remote) was returned > undeliverable. However, I had also removed the :allow from my tcp.smtp so I > don't know if that is the problem. You need the :allow to let other servers on the net connect to your machine to deliver mail to you. rcpthosts should exist and contain domains for which you will accept mail -- typically the contents of the files 'locals' plus virtualdomains and perhaps a few others (backup MX, etc). Charles -- -- Charles Cazabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> QCC Communications Corporation Saskatoon, SK My opinions do not necessarily represent those of my employer. --
QMTP
Where would I find detailed specs on the QMTP protocol? I've found some stuff at http://cr.yp.to/proto/qmtp.txt, but I need more. We're writing a little piece of code that's going to sit on a couple of hundred Win2000 webservers that can talk QMTP to our qmail box for faster delivery. Users come to our site and sign up for automatically generated charts and other such things and the webservers generate the content for the email and send it off using SMTP right now. We need to speed this up as much as possible, and QMTP looks like the best way to do it since we already have a qmail box sending most of our other subscriber mail. We also have several QMQP servers. Would it maybe be better to make it talk QMQP to the boxes running qmail-qmqpd? = Here's my setup below in case anyone is wondering (warning: may be confusing without a picture): I have one main machine that runs ezmlm and a full version of qmail, it also runs a second copy of qmail (actually mini-qmail, we'll get to that in a minute). qmail-qmqpc is modified on the machine to load balance between all of my QMQP servers. I can add QMQP servers as necessary if the load gets to high on the rest of them. The full version of qmail is running to handle bounces, and to accept mail from webservers. Ezmlm-idx is set up to use QMQP for delivery, so messages being sent out get distributed to multiple QMQP servers. If the email comes in from a webserver, box running ezmlm would try to send it off itself... I didn't want that to happen because I want to keep the disk activity and other resources down as much as possible, so the logical choice would be to offload all mail not destined for the local box to the QMQP servers. Since I couldn't figure out a better way to do it, I installed a copy of mini-qmail with qmail-smtpd listening on port 26, and my modified qmail-qmqpc. smtproutes is set up so all outgoing mail goes to mini-qmail (on port 26) which distributes it to the QMQP servers. I wish smtproutes would let you specify a protocol to use... :) So the way this is set up, all outgoing mail gets sent to QMQP servers to let them handle the queueing and sending. Main destined for the local machine is still accepted and processed normally. Right now, I have 2 bottlenecks... The SMTP connection that the webservers use to send mail through it, and the SMTP connection to port 26 that the main copy of qmail redirects outgoing mail to. -- Jay Austad Network Administrator CBS Marketwatch 612.817.1271 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cbs.marketwatch.com http://www.bigcharts.com
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:08:15AM -0400, Andy Meuse wrote: > I put the rcpthosts back and all mail (local and remote) was returned > undeliverable. However, I had also removed the :allow from my tcp.smtp so I > don't know if that is the problem. It's not the problem. What are the contents of rcpthosts? What is the reason that the mail was returned as undeliverable? (Did it not occur to you to provide this information in the first place?) Chris
Re: Setup Antispam
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:13:27AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm setup my antispam rules y need help me > I tried my setup of this way: > telnet mailabuse.org > > but this test give me this result: > > Relay test 4 > >>> MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]@myserver.com> > <<< 250 ok > >>> RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <<< 250 ok > >>> RSET > <<< 250 flushed > System appeared to accept a relay > Connection closed by foreign host. This is a bogus test, and you can ignore it. Chris
imap response problem
Hi, I have a problem when I try to forward mails from my back up qmail server to MS Exchange server. that is if there are more than one mail in the queue that qmail try to flush out, qmail can only get one "/Remote host say 250ok " response with all mails go through( i got all mails). So it can only clean one mail out the queue but keep all the others and never try redeliver till i restart qmail, it resend all remaining mails get another 250ok ande remove another message from queue. 250ok appears randomly not always the first message that been delivered. May someone help me that what may cause this problem? Thanks for your help MinF
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 04:42:45PM +0200, Peter van Dijk wrote: > On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:37:32AM -0400, Andy Meuse wrote: > > Hmmm. I removed my rcpthosts file. > Put it back. Without an rcpthosts file, you are an open relay. That's always surprised me. I would have assumed that qmail would default to control/me if rcpthosts is empty. Any reason why it doesn't? -Johan -- Johan Almqvist
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:08:15AM -0400, Andy Meuse wrote: > > I put the rcpthosts back and all mail (local and remote) was returned > undeliverable. However, I had also removed the :allow from my tcp.smtp so I > don't know if that is the problem. Are the domains you *do* want to receive mail for in rcpthosts now? Greetz, Peter. -- [ircoper][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Peter van Dijk / Hardbeat [student]Undernet:#groningen/wallops | IRCnet:/#alliance [developer]_ [disbeliever - the world is backwards](__VuurWerk__(--*-
Re: qmail-inject with rcpt to:
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:37:53PM +0800, chchen wrote: > if i use qmail-inject , how to let qmail can send email to two or more user > at the same location with RCPT TO:, without send the email twice. You don't. qmail will always make one remote connection per recipient. And before you say, "But this wastes bandwidth!" please research the list archives. Chris
Setup Antispam
Hi Managers: I'm setup my antispam rules y need help me I tried my setup of this way: telnet mailabuse.org but this test give me this result: Relay test 4 >>> MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]@myserver.com> <<< 250 ok >>> RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <<< 250 ok >>> RSET <<< 250 flushed System appeared to accept a relay Connection closed by foreign host. Where I should change my rules? I use the configuration of "Life With Qmail" Thank You
RE: ORBS doesn't like me :(
I put the rcpthosts back and all mail (local and remote) was returned undeliverable. However, I had also removed the :allow from my tcp.smtp so I don't know if that is the problem. Guts of the mail I got from ORBS... >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Aug 25 23:16:22 2000 Received: from qmail.burzone.com (IDENT:qmailr@[4.17.165.135]) by mail2.manawatu.net.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA07697 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:16:17 +1200 X-Remote-IP: 4.17.165.135 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:16:17 +1200 Received: (qmail 21807 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2000 11:15:58 - Received: from relaytest.orbs.vuurwerk.nl (194.178.232.55) by 4.17.165.138 with SMTP; 25 Aug 2000 11:15:58 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Token: kpnlfikqassskfvs X-Envelope-Sender: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Envelope-Recipient: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ORBS Relay Test - 4.17.165.135 > > > On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:26:55AM -0400, Andy Meuse wrote: > > > > I just recieved an email from ORBS branding my mail server > > > and open relay I > > > > looked in my tcp.smtp and I think I know why. > > > > > > > > 172.16.3.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > > > 4.17.165.0.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > > > 207.244.122.53.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > > > :allow > > > > > > > > I would imagine it's that allow on the last line right? > > > > > > No, that just tells tcpserver whether to accept or reject the > > > connection completely. What does /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts say?
Re: qmail-inject with rcpt to:
"chchen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >if i use qmail-inject , how to let qmail can send email to two or >more user at the same location with RCPT TO:, without send the email >twice. > >ex. If i want to send a email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] >how to let qmail(qmail-remote) send email by the following way >HELO xxx.xx.xx >RCPT to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >rcpt to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >instead open two connection to the same server, and send this mail >twice. You can't. See: http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~dsill/lwq.html#multi-rcpt -Dave
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:37:32AM -0400, Andy Meuse wrote: # Hmmm. I removed my rcpthosts file. there you go. If you remove the rcpthosts file qmail relays mail for any domain # # > On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:26:55AM -0400, Andy Meuse wrote: # > > I just recieved an email from ORBS branding my mail server # > and open relay I # > > looked in my tcp.smtp and I think I know why. # > > # > > 172.16.3.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" # > > 4.17.165.0.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" # > > 207.244.122.53.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" # > > :allow # > > # > > I would imagine it's that allow on the last line right? # > # > No, that just tells tcpserver whether to accept or reject the # > connection completely. What does /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts say? # > -- Justin Bell
Re: ORBS doesn't like me :(
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:37:32AM -0400, Andy Meuse wrote: > Hmmm. I removed my rcpthosts file. > There's your answer. You opened you relay to all domains when you did that. RC > > On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:26:55AM -0400, Andy Meuse wrote: > > > I just recieved an email from ORBS branding my mail server > > and open relay I > > > looked in my tcp.smtp and I think I know why. > > > > > > 172.16.3.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > > 4.17.165.0.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > > 207.244.122.53.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > > :allow > > > > > > I would imagine it's that allow on the last line right? > > > > No, that just tells tcpserver whether to accept or reject the > > connection completely. What does /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts say? > > -- +--- | Ricardo Cerqueira | PGP Key fingerprint - B7 05 13 CE 48 0A BF 1E 87 21 83 DB 28 DE 03 42 | Novis - Engenharia ISP / Rede Técnica | Pç. Duque Saldanha, 1, 7º E / 1050-094 Lisboa / Portugal | Tel: +351 21 010 - Fax: +351 21 011 PGP signature
RE: ORBS doesn't like me :(
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Andy Meuse wrote: > Hmmm. I removed my rcpthosts file. Put it back. Any of the IP addresses in tcp.smtp will bypass it if the RELAYCLIENT variable is set. Vince. > > > On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:26:55AM -0400, Andy Meuse wrote: > > > I just recieved an email from ORBS branding my mail server > > and open relay I > > > looked in my tcp.smtp and I think I know why. > > > > > > 172.16.3.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > > 4.17.165.0.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > > 207.244.122.53.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > > :allow > > > > > > I would imagine it's that allow on the last line right? > > > > No, that just tells tcpserver whether to accept or reject the > > connection completely. What does /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts say? > > > -- == Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSHemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pop4.net 128K ISDN from $22.00/mo - 56K Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directoryhttp://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstorehttp://www.cloudninegifts.com ==
