Re: Installing Qmail
Waterfront Internet Service wrote: > Hi, I am currently running sendmail but wish to change to qmail. I > have read the instructions but they all say how to upgrade from > sendmail to qmail. I want to delete sendmail as if it never existed > and install qmail as if I never had a mail program installed. I know I > will loose any messages that are in sendmails queue. Is this possible > and how? > > What Operating System?
qmail-Linux-distribution
I recall some time back there was much discussion about having a linux distrobution with qmail rather than sendmail. This, to me, makes more sense than I have time for here. I also recall there being much debate about Redhat wishing to do this, yet, for various reasons this did not happen. Every Redhat server I set up I need to go throuth the process of ridding the system of sendmail and istalling qmail. I use the memphis rpm and wrote up a simple install script to to do this with. Then i thought how much easier this would be if the rpms were part of the distribution rather and installed during setup, rather than laboriously uninstalling sendmail ( and applications that depend on sendmail) So I started piecing together my own redhat clone (yes, yet another) and would like to know what I need to do to have qmail included with this distribution. Did anything positive result from the experience with redhat? What obligations do people have when distributing qmail? All thoughts and suggestion gratefully accepted Kevin Waterson -- __ / / (_)__ __ __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / Systems Administator //_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ .. http://www.oceania.net ..
Re: binaries
Mate Wierdl wrote: > Yes, the new qmail and qmail-run rpms are dropin replacements for the > "memphis" rpm. qmail-run is Dan's naming for such a package. And indeed, > qmail-init is not entirely appropriate, since the package sets up other > things as well (like links to sendmail). Where can I download qmail-run? I have poked about Dan's site but cannot see it listed Kind regards Kevin
summersoft redistribution
> Will the summersoft rpm distribution of qmail work as a drop in replacement for sendmail with Linux Redhat 6.0. If so, would I be breaking any laws/GPL/authors wishes by including it in a customized distribution of my own. Kind regards Kevin
Re: daemontools binaries (was Re: binaries)
Ira Abramov wrote: > readme files in the packages or on DJB's site. Russ? could there be a > little note about licensing on qmail.org? it's very confusing to a lot of > people, especially now that GPL is in the news, it should be strictly > mentioned on the page that Qmail and friends are not. This would be very much appreciated by me for one. I am trying to put together a small commercial distro ( another RedHat clone) and would like to have qmail as a drop in replacement. What am I allowed to use for this and what am I not. Kevin -- __ / / (_)__ __ __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / Systems Administator //_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ .. http://www.oceania.net ..
Re: qmail-Linux-distribution
Ira Abramov wrote: > > > BeroLinux already did that, then Qmail disappeared when it was merged into > Mandrake Linux. I sugest you switch to Mandrake as a platform (I love it. > it's also recompiled for Pentium entirely) and ask them to add a legal > Qmail binary distro into their install process, and make Sendmail an > option and not a must. I'll join in to that request if you do... This is what I am hoping to achieve, A legal qmail binary, not in their distrobution, in my own Kevin
qmail distro and UID
I am putting together a redhat clone and have omitted sendmail entirely. of course exmh nmh fetchmail etc complain, but that can be remedied later. I have been looking and reading up on qmail-run and var-qmail packages. If I use the qmail-run-4-4.i386.rpm functions-3-3.i386.rpm What should I use in the way of var-qmail. My understanding is that it needs to be compiled on each machine, but as this is a fresh install, but maybe used for upgrades, I am concerned about UID's. Should I simply create a .rpm from the source supplied or can someone recommend a better method. Kind regards Kevin
Re: qmail distro and UID
Sam wrote: > > > That has been the case at least since 4.0. The problem is that Red Hat's > installer forces a sendmail install no matter what, even if another package > provides smtpdaemon. Yes, but in this case I have removed the sendmail rpms from the distro Kevin
Re: qmail distro and UID
David Harris wrote: > > > If you are going to be installing a bunch of machines, you might invest in > modifying the base package by modifying the installer's package groupings so > that qmail is installed instead of sendmail. You see, sendmail is in the "base" > group which is always installed. If you just modify this group, problem solved. > > Modify the groups by editing the RedHat/base/comps file and using the genhdlist > utility to write the RedHat/base/hdlist file. The format is easy enough to > understand. Yes .This is what I have done Kevin
Re: qmail distro and UID
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Since this will be your distribution, you can just reserve the qmail > uids. In this case, you can get away with a very simple spec file to > build qmail (I can tell you if you need it). That would be most helpful > > But you might be concerned about people who would like to upgrade > their RH system to yours (probably bad idea though). My concern is not with people upgrading from RedHat but trying to run the upgrade over an existing installation. If they had 500 users on the system and then tried to upgrade and install the qmail packages. kevin
Re: Kurt's Closet on qmail
Magnus Bodin wrote: > > > The most important statement to all administrators and OS distributors out > there is to finally DUMP sendmail. > > We have a linux distribution that is nearing beta and have removed sendmail entirely Sendmail has been replaced with qmail and it is hoped all will benifit from it and other OS distributors will follow suit. When the distro is complete we will be seeking beta testers. Anyone who wishes to be part of this effort may contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or through this list. Kevin Waterson
qmail distro
I have put together the first beta of a RH clone and deleted sendmail and used qmail instead. What I need is approx 2 gig of server space outside of Australia as Australia has limited bandwidth. This would be a major distribution point, so high bandwidth would be needed. I am not looking for a handout and am willing to pay for the service. I need only ftp access and need to load up a distro + source + iso Please contact me if you can provide such a service or know of a provider who can Kind regards Kevin
Qmail book
Is there a qmail book? Kevin
Re: block domain
Franklin A Hays wrote: > I want to block a specific domain (att.net) that is spamming my server, > where/how can I set qmail up to block, or defer, anything originating > from them? badmailfrom Kevin
Re: Injecting mail to be delivered into qmail
Chris Green wrote: > > Is there a simple way of injecting mail into qmail for delivery? > Presumably it's the way that an MUA would use but I can't really find > what that is with qmail. echo to: user | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject Kind regards Kevin
Unable to checkpassword
I have a new install of RH 5.2 on a subdomain linux.oceania.net I hope to have a mailing list set up here for our local lug. I am installing memphis which I have done on several occasiions but this time something is amiss. qmail seems to be running fine and ps -aux gives qmaild 313 0.0 0.7 840 404 ? S07:40 0:00 tcpserver -v -c40 -x qmaild 330 0.0 0.6 800 344 ? S07:40 0:00 tcpserver -v -c40 -u8 qmaill 296 0.0 0.5 736 284 ? S07:40 0:00 cyclog -s 100 /va qmaill 311 0.0 0.4 720 228 ? S07:40 0:00 accustamp qmaill 312 0.0 0.5 736 284 ? S07:40 0:00 cyclog -s 100 /va qmaill 327 0.0 0.3 720 220 ? S07:40 0:00 accustamp qmaill 328 0.0 0.5 736 284 ? S07:40 0:00 cyclog -s 100 /va qmaill 336 0.0 0.4 720 228 ? S07:40 0:00 accustamp qmail qmailq 339 0.0 0.5 736 296 ? S07:40 0:00 qmail-clean qmailr 338 0.0 0.5 736 280 ? S07:40 0:00 qmail-rspawn qmails 300 0.0 0.6 780 336 ? S07:40 0:00 qmail-send although there is also root 295 0.0 0.4 724 252 ? S07:40 0:00 supervise /var/lock/q root 310 0.0 0.4 724 252 ? S07:40 0:00 supervise /var/lock/q root 326 0.0 0.4 724 252 ? S07:40 0:00 supervise /var/lock/q root 337 0.0 0.5 736 280 ? S07:40 0:00 qmail-lspawn # Using In /var/lock there is qmailqmail-qmqpd qmail-smtpd subsys Do these belong here? I have checkpassword installed in /bin but when I try to collect mail I get Could not log into mail server The server responded This user has no $HOME/Maildir Please enter a new password for [EMAIL PROTECTED] ls /bin/checkpassword produses -rwx-- 1 root root 4460 Dec 11 00:27 /bin/checkpassword I am able to send mail to the user from outside and the messages are in /home/kevin/Maildir/new but I cannot retrieve them. Perhaps the updated rpms are different from other installs on other machines? Any thoughts on this kindly appreciated Kevin
Re: Unable to checkpassword Solution
Once again I have found the solution in re-installing RedHat and qmail This time there was no problems at all Redhat installed normally Qmail installed normally ezmlm installed normally Thanks particularly to Mate for his help After installing ezmlm, is it good/wise to upgrade to ezmlm.edx Kind regards Kevin
Re: Getting Qmail to reject unknown MAIL FROM addresses...
Jason Haar wrote: > I know there's a bunch of patches out the to make Qmail do this, but I was > wondering if anyone had done it in a similar fashion to rblsmtpd - i.e. it > would do the check and then pass the connection onto the next part of the > chain - rblsmtpd, qmail-smtpd, whatever. I am sorry if I am missing something here, but are you wishing to setup badmailfrom, thus denying acces to certrain domains?? Kevin
Re: HELP: need Checkpassword
Patrick Paysant wrote: > Hi, > > Is there someone nice enough to send the checkpassword > package from Dan Bernstein to me by e-mail. > Do you mean the RPM ? Kevin
Sendmail plus qmail
Is it possible to run both sendmail and qmail on the one machine I need to install innd adnd it requires sendmail apparently Kind regards Kevin
Re: qmail on seperate server
I have two servers (both RH 5.2) ns0.oceania.net 203.41.132.66 ns1.oceania.net 203.41.132.65 On ns0 I have httpd ftp DNS..yadda yadda on ns1 I have qmail and DNS I am unable to get qmail to send or recieve while it is on ns1 I have been able to run it on ns0 but I must have some thing amiss in there some where. When I try to send mail I get n error saying not in rcpthosts. What I have in control/rcpt is localhost ns1.oceania.net am I missing something here? In my /var/named/ns1.oceania.net.hosts ; Mandatory minimum for a working domain ; @ IN SOA ns1.oceania.net. mail.oceania.net. ( 199511301 ; serial, todays date + todays serial # 28800 ; refresh, seconds 7200; retry, seconds 360 ; expire, seconds 96400 ) ; minimum, seconds NS ns1.oceania.net. NS ns0.oceania.net. MX 10 mail.oceania.net. ; Primary Mail Exchanger ns0 A 203.41.132.66 ns1 A 203.41.132.65 ns2 A 203.41.132.71 wharfie A 203.41.132.75 anthem A 203.41.132.76 kenny A 203.41.132.77 kyleA 203.41.132.78 @ CNAME ns0 localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 www CNAME ns0 mailCNAME ns1 ftp CNAME ns0 somehow the two servers do not seem to like qmail running off on its own am I missing some thing basic here? Kind regards Kevin
qmail-inject
I wish to send the content of a text file to users on my system without attaching it. I have tried cat file | echo to: user | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject but while it sends a mail it does include the contents of the file Any ideas? Kind regards Kevin
Shadow Passwords
I have qmail installed on several machines using Redhat 5.2 Currently passwords are not shadowed. Will qmail be affected if I shadow the passwords Kevin
memphis problems
In light of the first problem, No make was not installed. Installed make, and various headers and installed (all via telnet) ok Mate - also used daemontools-0.53-16.src.rpm which was the latest I could find. All seemed to install ok and when I do echo to:kevin | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject It leaves a message in /home/kevin/Maildir/new but when I try to collect the mail I get <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host, it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local. (#5.4.6) in control locals I have .portmacquarie.com portmacquarie.com portmacquarie.com being the domain name All ideas greatfully accepted Kevin -- Kevin Waterson Oceania Computer Services
Re: checkpassword RPMs?
Chris Garrigues wrote: > > From: Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:53:37 -0600 > > > > On Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 04:40:07PM -0500, Chris Garrigues wrote: > > > Is there an existing RPM anywhere for checkpassword? > > > > Yes. I have one at > > http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~bguenter/distrib/checkpassword/ > > If you check your ftp logs you'll see I've already been there. It's 0.76, > however, and 0.81 appears to be the latest. I have 81-2 on a site ftp://linux.oceania.net/pub/memphis
Banning a domain
I need to ban a domain from emailing anyone on a domain. Do I need to setup up badmailfrom or some thing?? Kind regards Kevin
Re: Filtering email from specific addresses
Rick McMillin wrote: > Is there a way to configure QMail to not accept > (block) incoming messages from a specific email > address? Before we made the switch to QMail, we > were using Sendmail 8.9 and did this using the > "access.cf" file to accomplish this. > jsut set up control/badmailfrom and put in there [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kevin Waterson Sys. Admin Oceania Computer Services
memphis problems (solution)
OK the solution turned out to be frustration After much hacking at various files I decided to reinstall RedHat and Memphis all went off without a hitch The problem? Probably me Thanks to all for suggestions, I did learn some from the experience. Kind regards Kevin -- Kevin Waterson Oceania Computer Services
Re: qmail on Linux
Joe Millay wrote: > Would it be better to re-install Linux without sendmail and then install > qmail? I have not configured sendmail, so suppose it is a wash. But, I > am new to this email-server thing and I don't want sendmail to interfere > with qmail. No need to re-install, infact it would make no difference as sendmail is part of the base install of rh and will install no matter what you do. ( I have fixed this behaviour and removed sendmail from the RH distro and put in qmail, along with some other goodies, will release it soon) I have also made up a simple script to automate the process of installing qmail on redhat using rpms. The rpms and install script can be found on my ftp at ftp.oceania.net I think in the /pub/linux/qmail directory WARNING. The install script will stop and delete sendmail and any dependant packages. these include nmh, exmh, fetchmail Enjoy Kevin
Re: Hotmail
Monte Mitzelfelt wrote: > On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Tim Hunter wrote: > > > In my queue I have 9 messages with attachments for hotmail.com, I noticed > > the problem about a week ago, it has probably been longer. Any ideas for > > contacting hotmail and letting them know how upsetting this makes us Admins? > > I sent mail to every damn contact address that I could find. I encourage > all others to do the same. I find it easier to do something like echo "@hotmail.com" >> /var/qmail/control/badmailfrom I encourage all others to do the same Kevin
New SMTP setup
I am setting up a new qmail server to act as our smtp the system is a newly installed RedHat 6.1 on a dual P133 SCSI I hope to add a POP to it when this is done. This is the commands I used to install it using the rpms... rpm -e exmh rpm -e nmh rpm -e mutt rpm -e fetchmail rpm -e sendmail rpm -Uvh daemontools-*.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh daemontools-*.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh ucspi-tcp-*.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh var-qmail-create-1.03-102memphis.src.rpm rpm -bb /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/var-qmail-create.spec rpm -Uvh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/var-qmail-create-1.03-102memphis.i386.rpm cp var-qmail-1.03-2-gnu-linux-i686.tar.gz /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/ rpm -bb var-qmail.spec rpm -Uvh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/qmail-1.03-102memphis.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh qmail-run-4-4.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh qmailanalog-*.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh tcpserver-initscripts-*.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh checkpassword-0.81-2.i386.rpm I then editted /var/qmail/rc to read qmail-start ./Maildir/ splogger qmail for Maildir support This is not working Is their something I have missed here? When I do ps aux it shows no daemons running and I cannot get echo to: user | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject to deliver to a useer kind regards Kevin
Re: New SMTP setup
Mate Wierdl wrote: > Why are you doing these steps? > > rpm -e exmh > rpm -e nmh > rpm -e mutt > rpm -e fetchmail I do not use or want them Kevin
Re: New SMTP setup
Mate Wierdl wrote: > > This is not working > > Is their something I have missed here? > > yes, reading the the appropriate READMEs. In particular, the READMEs > do not say anything about the step > > cp var-qmail-1.03-2-gnu-linux-i686.tar.gz /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/ My reason for this was that by default a rpm is built from source when the source.tar.gz file is located in /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES So that when the .spec file is run to the .tar.gz file is located there rpm -bb var-qmail.spec builds the rpm and locates the newly created rpm in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386 and rpm -Uvh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/qmail-1.03-102memphis.i386.rpm to install the created rpm but, that is just my understanding of RPM. I could be mildly/wildly mistaken
SMTP not working
I have a fresh install of qmail and wish to run SMTP and POP on seperate machines Currently I have qmail active on smtp but it does not seem to be delivering the Mail to the Maildirs. I have editted everything I could find to say ./Maildir/ instead of mailbox. When a mail is sent /var/log/qmail-smtp gives a message 947813893.747750 tcpserver: status: 1/40 947813893.751138 tcpserver: pid 5625 from 192.168.0.9 947813893.770585 tcpserver: ok 5625 :192.168.0.3:25 :192.168.0.9:kevin:1042 947813893.812094 tcpserver: end 5625 status 0 947813893.812132 tcpserver: status: 0/40 but the mail does not appear in the users Maildir/new? Kevin
Re: New SMTP setup
I have now installed qmail to run as smtp using the following commands rpm -e exmh rpm -e nmh rpm -e mutt rpm -e fetchmail rpm -e sendmail --nodeps rpm -Uvh functions-*.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh daemontools-*.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh ucspi-tcp-*.i386.rpm rpm --rebuild qmail-1.03-102memphis.src.rpm rpm -Uvh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/qmail-1.03-102memphis.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh qmail-run-4-4.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh qmailanalog-*.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh tcpserver-initscripts-*.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh checkpassword-0.81-2.i386.rpm reboot ps aux shows qmaill 368 0.0 0.6 1084 340 ?S18:32 0:00 cyclog -s 100 qmails 371 0.0 0.6 1120 380 ?S18:32 0:00 qmail-send qmaill 391 0.0 0.5 1068 300 ?S18:32 0:00 accustamp qmaill 392 0.0 0.6 1084 340 ?S18:32 0:00 cyclog -s 100 qmaild 394 0.0 0.8 1196 488 ?S18:32 0:00 tcpserver -v -c40 qmaill 405 0.0 0.5 1068 304 ?S18:32 0:00 accustamp qmail root 406 0.0 0.5 1088 324 ?S18:32 0:00 qmail-lspawn ./Ma qmailr 407 0.0 0.5 1088 324 ?S18:32 0:00 qmail-rspawn qmailq 408 0.0 0.6 1080 340 ?S18:32 0:00 qmail-clean Why does qmail-smtpd not show? Kind regards Kevin
Maildir setup
In the qmail/doc/INSTALL.maildir it says to edit /var/qmail/rc and replace ./Mailbox with ./Maildir/ and "by creating a maildir in the new-user template directory" Where is this directory? Kind regards Kevin
Re: New SMTP setup
Anand Buddhdev wrote: > > qmail-smtpd is launched by tcpserver for each incoming connection. > as was my thinking. thank you for your concise and promt reply Kevin
Re: Maildir setup
Anand Buddhdev wrote: > On Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 05:54:51PM +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote: > > I noticed something weird in your headers: > > > -- > See complete headers for more infl I am moving our mail behind a firewall and our local network. The IP of the machine I am sending from is 192.168.0.9 the gateway is 203.41.132.67 I am not using DNS for the email to the outside world for mail from this terminal Kevin
Re: Maildir setup
Mate Wierdl wrote: > >This is so important that I repeat it: if you want to change where >and how qmail delivers local mail, you need to change >/var/qmail/defaultdelivery/rc, and not /var/qmail/rc. In this >respect, qmail-run's setup is different from the default; the >scripts in /var/qmail/boot do not get used by qmail-run's >initscripts. yes as it was before it was split into two packages. Thank you for your patience I have printed the README onto a 2x4 and had the secretary beat me obout the head with it. Kind regards Kevin
Re: New SMTP setup
With qmail up and running I send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mail seems to send without problems and /var/log/qmail-smtpd/@0947882916 shows 947887469.145793 tcpserver: status: 1/40 947887469.149571 tcpserver: pid 722 from 192.168.0.9 947887469.164402 tcpserver: ok 722 :192.168.0.3:25 :192.168.0.9:kevin:1637 947887469.205235 tcpserver: end 722 status 0 947887469.205273 tcpserver: status: 0/40 But when I look in /home/user/Maildir/new there is nothing. So I do echo to: user | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject and all is well What is happening here? Kevin
Re: Maildir setup
Jose Pedro Pereira wrote: > Try /etc/skel ... > The name says it all... hmm, there is nothing in this dir? What should be there? Could I be missing something? Kind regards Kevin
imap
I have installed David Summers imap-4.5-3mdir4.i386.rpm but do not seem to be able to access IMAP in my /etc/inetd.conf I have imapstream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd imapd What might I be missing Kevin
Re: Future of qmail: will it care about viri/worms/etc?
"David L. Nicol" wrote: > Keith Warno wrote: > > > > there should be no need to "hack" qmail > > And there isn't! Why do people persist on insecure MUAs? My sentiment exactly. Why should I have to expend valuable time and resources fixing Microsofts dud ware. Here in .au there are rumblings of legislation for ISPs to block virii, these people have no concept of the difference between a virus and a worm or any other type of exploit, yet pressure is mounting on ISPs and, if legislated, means ISPs will be liable for loss and damage and loss of production because MS constantly fail to secure their systems. To effect this type of policy one would need to prohibit all attachments, scan each mail for vb/java script and why not peersonally read/censure each mail Kevin
Re: Still can send, but not receive
> > > And why can't I get any outside mail? > > james What do you have in rcpt.hosts Kevin
Re: tcprules
Jerry Lynde wrote: > In other words, relax... you're not relaying... have a refreshing drink and > breathe deeply cuz it's all good. Thank you for that, I feel somewhat relieved. Now, why would oceania.net be listed on orbs as an open relay? -- Kind regards Kevin Waterson
orbs and qmail
Recently, after running qmail for 3 years on our primary mail server, we found ourselves listed on orbs. It seems we were acting as an open relay and that many mailers were simply bouncing mail from our domain. I made a check of the server and all was well but when I checked it from the facility at abuse.net I found it was reporting an open relay. The problem it seems stems from qmails handling of one of the tests has qmail accepting the mail and dealing with it internally, so that probably ever qmail server will eventually end up listed on orbs, with an incorrectly assumed open relay. But we needed action quickly as users were complaining so we had to switch our primary server to sendmail, to avoid any confusion. Now, if Orbs are incorrectly listing services perhaps we here need to follow up with our legal people. Kind regards Kevin Waterson
Re: orbs and qmail
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On 20-Oct-2000 Kevin Waterson wrote: > > > > I made a check of the server and all was well but > > when I checked it from the facility at > > abuse.net I found it was reporting an open relay. > > > > The problem it seems stems from qmails handling of > > one of the tests has qmail accepting the mail and > > dealing with it internally, so that probably ever > > qmail server will eventually end up listed on orbs, > > with an incorrectly assumed open relay. > > ORBS doesn't use the abuse.net tests to determine who is > an open relay. To quote from the ORBS site Try Abuse.Net's new relay tester (requires registration). This is the only web-based tester which carries out the same set of tests which ORBS does. >Typically, ORBS requires the delivery of a > piece of email via the alleged open relay before adding > that host ot its list. A properly configured qmail server > will not act as an open relay even as it fails the abuse.net > test. So what is point of having a test that does not give correct results? It would seem any qmail server will fail the test as qmail will accept the miscreant mail and deal with it internally. This behaviour, according to ORBS, will have you listed as an open relay. -- Kind regards Kevin Waterson
Re: orbs and qmail
"John R. Levine" wrote: > I wish there were some way I could make this stuff more idiot > resistant, but some idiots can resist anything. This is helpful and informative in what manner? Degenerated to abuse, how appropriate from abuse.net regards Kevin Waterson
Re: orbs and qmail
Alex Pennace wrote: > It is no more abusive than pestering a mailing list about conclusions > reached while ignoring big bold blinking letters. RTFM. > > >Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature What happened? when they said brains you thought they said "trains" and missed yours? This is a mailing list for asking questions, perhaps not everyone is as enlightened as you, I did not ignore anything, as quoted earlier by some other helpful soul " The text on the orbs.org website is, unfortunatly, misleading" then went on quite politely and cleared things up nicely. -- Kind regards Kevin Waterson
