Re: OT: courier-imapd & netscape messanger for windows == complete fuckup... any ideas?
Are you able to make it create folders on the same level as INBOX or only as subfolders of INBOX? /Martin Tim Hunter wrote: > > I am using courier-imap with Outlook, Outlook Express, Netscape Messenger, > and Eudora, along with sqwebmail. > It is a wonderful product. > > I don't have any problems, even with somewhere around 30 folders and > subfolders. > I have a good feeling you have misconfigured something. > > -Original Message- > From: Martin Jespersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 2:22 PM > To: Georg Lutz > Cc: Qmail mailing list > Subject: Re: OT: courier-imapd & netscape messanger for windows == > complete fuckup... any ideas? > > Hi Georg, > > Definition > > root-level folders = folders on the same level as the INBOX in the > filesystem directory structure. > > Example: > > INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/ > Trash == ~mylogin/Trash/ > Sent == ~mylogin/Sent/ > > etc... > > I have made a Maildir folder under ~mylogin as ~mylogin/Maildir/ using > maildirmake and there is no > problem delivering to it or reading from it. > > The problem is this: Courier-imapd refuse to create root-level folders and > insists that all folders > should be created as subfolder of the INBOX folder. > > Example: > > INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/ > Trash == ~mylogin/Maildir/Trash/ > Sent == ~mylogin/Maildir/Sent/ > > Furthermore, since courier-imapd uses '.' as separator instead of the > standard '/' that other > Maildir-like message structures like Mh use all folders are created with a . > infront. > > Example: > > INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/ > Trash == ~mylogin/Maildir/.Trash/ > Sent == ~mylogin/Maildir/.Sent/ > > The problem basically seems to be that the guy who wrote courier-imapd is so > hooked on the rfc's > that he made a imap server that breakes all clients :( (or at least netscape > messanger and microsoft > outlook, which are used by the larger part of internet users as MUA) > > At first i thought that this was due to the silly choice of personal > Namespace that he made, ie. > INBOX which is a more or less reserved word in most MUA's. > > But although i patched the source to use PRIVA instead it still fucked up. > > So i guess it might be the '.' seperator that is the problem, though i am in > know way knowledgable > enough about the imap specs to base this on anything else than gut-feeling > as a professional > programmer of many years. > > But before i take on the task of making a complete working patch for courier > imapd which supports > standard MUA's i would like to be sure that no-one has done this before me, > since i am hard pressed > on time as it is, and actually need a good working imap server that supports > Maildir now ;) > > I thought about contacting the guy who wrote it, but i must admit that after > reading the FAQ and > BUGS section on the download site i doubt very much that he in anyway cares > about my problems since > he seems to think that all MUA's that doesn't speak imap his way should be > fixed *shrug*. > That is an attitude that is hard to find usefull for the rest of us IMHO. > > Regards > > Martin Jespersen > > Georg Lutz wrote: > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > what do you mean by "root-level-folders" ? > > With a MUA you can only create folders in your INBOX. If you want to > > create public-shared-folders you have to use maildirmake (which is part > > of courier-imap), perhaps with a combination of > > /usr/lib/courierimap/etc/maildirshared. > > How folders in your private namespace are displayed, depends on the MUA > > you are using. In Netscape this are all subfolders of "INBOX". > > > > But for further information you should look at man maildirmake or at the > > courier-mailing-list. > > I am quite happy with courier-imap and I would not recommend any other > > imapd with maildir-patches. > > > > Bye > > Georg > > > > Martin Jespersen schrieb: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > My MUA is netscape messanger 4.73 for windows and i am not about to > change this so spare me any > > > rants about getting another MUA. > > > > > > I am currently using wu-imapd v4.7 with maildir patch, but i am not > quite satisfied with (the > > > maildir driver has a few missing features that are really anoying). > > > > > > So i am trying to get courier imapd 1.1 up and running, and it runs just > fine, but... > > > > > > It refused to
RE: OT: courier-imapd & netscape messanger for windows == complete fuckup... any ideas?
I am using courier-imap with Outlook, Outlook Express, Netscape Messenger, and Eudora, along with sqwebmail. It is a wonderful product. I don't have any problems, even with somewhere around 30 folders and subfolders. I have a good feeling you have misconfigured something. -Original Message- From: Martin Jespersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 2:22 PM To: Georg Lutz Cc: Qmail mailing list Subject: Re: OT: courier-imapd & netscape messanger for windows == complete fuckup... any ideas? Hi Georg, Definition root-level folders = folders on the same level as the INBOX in the filesystem directory structure. Example: INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/ Trash == ~mylogin/Trash/ Sent == ~mylogin/Sent/ etc... I have made a Maildir folder under ~mylogin as ~mylogin/Maildir/ using maildirmake and there is no problem delivering to it or reading from it. The problem is this: Courier-imapd refuse to create root-level folders and insists that all folders should be created as subfolder of the INBOX folder. Example: INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/ Trash == ~mylogin/Maildir/Trash/ Sent == ~mylogin/Maildir/Sent/ Furthermore, since courier-imapd uses '.' as separator instead of the standard '/' that other Maildir-like message structures like Mh use all folders are created with a . infront. Example: INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/ Trash == ~mylogin/Maildir/.Trash/ Sent == ~mylogin/Maildir/.Sent/ The problem basically seems to be that the guy who wrote courier-imapd is so hooked on the rfc's that he made a imap server that breakes all clients :( (or at least netscape messanger and microsoft outlook, which are used by the larger part of internet users as MUA) At first i thought that this was due to the silly choice of personal Namespace that he made, ie. INBOX which is a more or less reserved word in most MUA's. But although i patched the source to use PRIVA instead it still fucked up. So i guess it might be the '.' seperator that is the problem, though i am in know way knowledgable enough about the imap specs to base this on anything else than gut-feeling as a professional programmer of many years. But before i take on the task of making a complete working patch for courier imapd which supports standard MUA's i would like to be sure that no-one has done this before me, since i am hard pressed on time as it is, and actually need a good working imap server that supports Maildir now ;) I thought about contacting the guy who wrote it, but i must admit that after reading the FAQ and BUGS section on the download site i doubt very much that he in anyway cares about my problems since he seems to think that all MUA's that doesn't speak imap his way should be fixed *shrug*. That is an attitude that is hard to find usefull for the rest of us IMHO. Regards Martin Jespersen Georg Lutz wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > what do you mean by "root-level-folders" ? > With a MUA you can only create folders in your INBOX. If you want to > create public-shared-folders you have to use maildirmake (which is part > of courier-imap), perhaps with a combination of > /usr/lib/courierimap/etc/maildirshared. > How folders in your private namespace are displayed, depends on the MUA > you are using. In Netscape this are all subfolders of "INBOX". > > But for further information you should look at man maildirmake or at the > courier-mailing-list. > I am quite happy with courier-imap and I would not recommend any other > imapd with maildir-patches. > > Bye > Georg > > Martin Jespersen schrieb: > > > > Hi all, > > > > My MUA is netscape messanger 4.73 for windows and i am not about to change this so spare me any > > rants about getting another MUA. > > > > I am currently using wu-imapd v4.7 with maildir patch, but i am not quite satisfied with (the > > maildir driver has a few missing features that are really anoying). > > > > So i am trying to get courier imapd 1.1 up and running, and it runs just fine, but... > > > > It refused to create root-level subfolders and i can only create subfolders under the INBOX. > > > > i have tried to reconfigure/reinstall 10 times now with and without the --enable-workaround.. > > > > i have even tried to modify the source code to use PRIVA as the personal namespace instead of INBOX > > (yeah i changed it everywhere and make check worked fine) > > > > but it is a no-go... > > > > maybe it would work if i completely rewrote the namespace structure of courier-imapd and changed the > > subfolder delimiter from "." to "/" like mh use since mh seems to work fine except being super-slow > > and outdated in alot of ways > > > > is there anyone who is succesfully runni
Re: OT: courier-imapd & netscape messanger for windows == complete fuckup... any ideas?
Hi Martin, Courier-imap never creates any folder outside the maildir. Messenger never shows any subfolders in your private namespace on the same level as the INBOX-folder. IMAP-Namespace has nothing to to how IMAP-Server stores their messages. Even if you patch courier-imap, Messenger shows subfolders of private namespace as subfolders of INBOX. courier-imap uses some extensions to maildir-format. The "." when creating a folder is used to be compatible with standard-maildir-format. Otherwise an appplication would not be able to differentiate between maildir-folder "cur" and user folder "cur". I realy don't know whats your the problem with courier-imap. Bye Georg Martin Jespersen schrieb: > > Hi Georg, > > Definition > > root-level folders = folders on the same level as the INBOX in the filesystem >directory structure. > > Example: > > INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/ > Trash == ~mylogin/Trash/ > Sent == ~mylogin/Sent/ > > etc... > > I have made a Maildir folder under ~mylogin as ~mylogin/Maildir/ using maildirmake >and there is no > problem delivering to it or reading from it. > > The problem is this: Courier-imapd refuse to create root-level folders and insists >that all folders > should be created as subfolder of the INBOX folder. > > Example: > > INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/ > Trash == ~mylogin/Maildir/Trash/ > Sent == ~mylogin/Maildir/Sent/ > > Furthermore, since courier-imapd uses '.' as separator instead of the standard '/' >that other > Maildir-like message structures like Mh use all folders are created with a . infront. > > Example: > > INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/ > Trash == ~mylogin/Maildir/.Trash/ > Sent == ~mylogin/Maildir/.Sent/ > > The problem basically seems to be that the guy who wrote courier-imapd is so hooked >on the rfc's > that he made a imap server that breakes all clients :( (or at least netscape >messanger and microsoft > outlook, which are used by the larger part of internet users as MUA) > > At first i thought that this was due to the silly choice of personal Namespace that >he made, ie. > INBOX which is a more or less reserved word in most MUA's. > > But although i patched the source to use PRIVA instead it still fucked up. > > So i guess it might be the '.' seperator that is the problem, though i am in know >way knowledgable > enough about the imap specs to base this on anything else than gut-feeling as a >professional > programmer of many years. > > But before i take on the task of making a complete working patch for courier imapd >which supports > standard MUA's i would like to be sure that no-one has done this before me, since i >am hard pressed > on time as it is, and actually need a good working imap server that supports Maildir >now ;) > > I thought about contacting the guy who wrote it, but i must admit that after reading >the FAQ and > BUGS section on the download site i doubt very much that he in anyway cares about my >problems since > he seems to think that all MUA's that doesn't speak imap his way should be fixed >*shrug*. > That is an attitude that is hard to find usefull for the rest of us IMHO. > > Regards > > Martin Jespersen > -- Georg Lutz | http://www.erc.de ERC - Euro Regio Consult AG | Tel: +49 7854 9696-0 Im Buehl 10 | Fax: +49 7854 9696-20 D-77694 Kehl
Re: OT: courier-imapd & netscape messanger for windows == complete fuckup... any ideas?
Hi Georg, Definition root-level folders = folders on the same level as the INBOX in the filesystem directory structure. Example: INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/ Trash == ~mylogin/Trash/ Sent == ~mylogin/Sent/ etc... I have made a Maildir folder under ~mylogin as ~mylogin/Maildir/ using maildirmake and there is no problem delivering to it or reading from it. The problem is this: Courier-imapd refuse to create root-level folders and insists that all folders should be created as subfolder of the INBOX folder. Example: INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/ Trash == ~mylogin/Maildir/Trash/ Sent == ~mylogin/Maildir/Sent/ Furthermore, since courier-imapd uses '.' as separator instead of the standard '/' that other Maildir-like message structures like Mh use all folders are created with a . infront. Example: INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/ Trash == ~mylogin/Maildir/.Trash/ Sent == ~mylogin/Maildir/.Sent/ The problem basically seems to be that the guy who wrote courier-imapd is so hooked on the rfc's that he made a imap server that breakes all clients :( (or at least netscape messanger and microsoft outlook, which are used by the larger part of internet users as MUA) At first i thought that this was due to the silly choice of personal Namespace that he made, ie. INBOX which is a more or less reserved word in most MUA's. But although i patched the source to use PRIVA instead it still fucked up. So i guess it might be the '.' seperator that is the problem, though i am in know way knowledgable enough about the imap specs to base this on anything else than gut-feeling as a professional programmer of many years. But before i take on the task of making a complete working patch for courier imapd which supports standard MUA's i would like to be sure that no-one has done this before me, since i am hard pressed on time as it is, and actually need a good working imap server that supports Maildir now ;) I thought about contacting the guy who wrote it, but i must admit that after reading the FAQ and BUGS section on the download site i doubt very much that he in anyway cares about my problems since he seems to think that all MUA's that doesn't speak imap his way should be fixed *shrug*. That is an attitude that is hard to find usefull for the rest of us IMHO. Regards Martin Jespersen Georg Lutz wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > what do you mean by "root-level-folders" ? > With a MUA you can only create folders in your INBOX. If you want to > create public-shared-folders you have to use maildirmake (which is part > of courier-imap), perhaps with a combination of > /usr/lib/courierimap/etc/maildirshared. > How folders in your private namespace are displayed, depends on the MUA > you are using. In Netscape this are all subfolders of "INBOX". > > But for further information you should look at man maildirmake or at the > courier-mailing-list. > I am quite happy with courier-imap and I would not recommend any other > imapd with maildir-patches. > > Bye > Georg > > Martin Jespersen schrieb: > > > > Hi all, > > > > My MUA is netscape messanger 4.73 for windows and i am not about to change this so >spare me any > > rants about getting another MUA. > > > > I am currently using wu-imapd v4.7 with maildir patch, but i am not quite >satisfied with (the > > maildir driver has a few missing features that are really anoying). > > > > So i am trying to get courier imapd 1.1 up and running, and it runs just fine, >but... > > > > It refused to create root-level subfolders and i can only create subfolders under >the INBOX. > > > > i have tried to reconfigure/reinstall 10 times now with and without the >--enable-workaround.. > > > > i have even tried to modify the source code to use PRIVA as the personal namespace >instead of INBOX > > (yeah i changed it everywhere and make check worked fine) > > > > but it is a no-go... > > > > maybe it would work if i completely rewrote the namespace structure of >courier-imapd and changed the > > subfolder delimiter from "." to "/" like mh use since mh seems to work fine except >being super-slow > > and outdated in alot of ways > > > > is there anyone who is succesfully running courier with support for netscape out >there? > > > > going through the sourcecode it seems that courier actually insists that >root-level folders should > > reside under ./Maildir/ eg. the trashfolder is file-system wise created as >./Maildir/Trash/ > > > > can anyone answer me this: why? isn't this just begging for MUA problems? > > > > *ARGH the pain!* > > > > if anyone knows of ANY imap server that supports Maildir format and Netscape >messanger at the same > > time PLEASE tell me, because i am running out of ideas besides coding my own imap >server and i > > really don't feel like doing that unless i absolutely have to (i hate coding C -go >figure :) > > > > if only perl was faster then i would make one today, but alas perl is no good for >production-level > > daemons. > > > > Reg
Re: OT: courier-imapd & netscape messanger for windows == complete fuckup... any ideas?
Hi Martin, what do you mean by "root-level-folders" ? With a MUA you can only create folders in your INBOX. If you want to create public-shared-folders you have to use maildirmake (which is part of courier-imap), perhaps with a combination of /usr/lib/courierimap/etc/maildirshared. How folders in your private namespace are displayed, depends on the MUA you are using. In Netscape this are all subfolders of "INBOX". But for further information you should look at man maildirmake or at the courier-mailing-list. I am quite happy with courier-imap and I would not recommend any other imapd with maildir-patches. Bye Georg Martin Jespersen schrieb: > > Hi all, > > My MUA is netscape messanger 4.73 for windows and i am not about to change this so >spare me any > rants about getting another MUA. > > I am currently using wu-imapd v4.7 with maildir patch, but i am not quite satisfied >with (the > maildir driver has a few missing features that are really anoying). > > So i am trying to get courier imapd 1.1 up and running, and it runs just fine, but... > > It refused to create root-level subfolders and i can only create subfolders under >the INBOX. > > i have tried to reconfigure/reinstall 10 times now with and without the >--enable-workaround.. > > i have even tried to modify the source code to use PRIVA as the personal namespace >instead of INBOX > (yeah i changed it everywhere and make check worked fine) > > but it is a no-go... > > maybe it would work if i completely rewrote the namespace structure of courier-imapd >and changed the > subfolder delimiter from "." to "/" like mh use since mh seems to work fine except >being super-slow > and outdated in alot of ways > > is there anyone who is succesfully running courier with support for netscape out >there? > > going through the sourcecode it seems that courier actually insists that root-level >folders should > reside under ./Maildir/ eg. the trashfolder is file-system wise created as >./Maildir/Trash/ > > can anyone answer me this: why? isn't this just begging for MUA problems? > > *ARGH the pain!* > > if anyone knows of ANY imap server that supports Maildir format and Netscape >messanger at the same > time PLEASE tell me, because i am running out of ideas besides coding my own imap >server and i > really don't feel like doing that unless i absolutely have to (i hate coding C -go >figure :) > > if only perl was faster then i would make one today, but alas perl is no good for >production-level > daemons. > > Regards > > Martin Jespersen -- Georg Lutz | http://www.erc.de ERC - Euro Regio Consult AG | Tel: +49 7854 9696-0 Im Buehl 10 | Fax: +49 7854 9696-20 D-77694 Kehl
