linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread linuxpeople

Hello I have documented each step up until they fail.

I just started fresh after rebooting and re-downloading the source.  I am
now stuck where I was previously and begging for help.  I do not see what to
do if the compile fails.  I am not blaming qmail which is the general
impression I get from this list.  I am just trying to install it and see if
I want to use it, and recommend it to other newbies.  Unfortunately I am the
smartest newbie I know, and I know a lot of newbies.

[root@www local]# tar -zxvf qmail-1.03.tar.gz

[root@www local]# cd /usr/local/qmail-1.03/

[root@www qmail-1.03]#ls
BIN.Makefile
BIN.README
BLURB
BLURB2
BLURB3
BLURB4
CHANGES
FAQ
FILES
INSTALL
INSTALL.alias
INSTALL.ctl
INSTALL.ids
INSTALL.maildir
INSTALL.mbox
INSTALL.vsm
INTERNALS
Makefile
PIC.local2alias
PIC.local2ext
PIC.local2local
PIC.local2rem
PIC.local2virt
PIC.nullclient
PIC.relaybad
PIC.relaygood
PIC.rem2local
README
REMOVE.binmail
REMOVE.sendmail
SECURITY
SENDMAIL
SYSDEPS
TARGETS
TEST.deliver
TEST.receive
THANKS
THOUGHTS
TODO
UPGRADE
VERSION
addresses.5
alloc.3
alloc.c
alloc.h
alloc_re.c
auto-gid.c
auto-int.c
auto-int8.c
auto-str.c
auto-uid.c
auto_break.h
auto_patrn.h
auto_qmail.h
auto_spawn.h
auto_split.h
auto_uids.h
auto_usera.h
binm1+df.sh
binm1.sh
binm2+df.sh
binm2.sh
binm3+df.sh
binm3.sh
bouncesaying.1
bouncesaying.c
byte.h
byte_chr.c
byte_copy.c
byte_cr.c
byte_diff.c
byte_rchr.c
byte_zero.c
case.3
case.h
case_diffb.c
case_diffs.c
case_lowerb.c
case_lowers.c
case_starts.c
cdb.3
cdb.h
cdb_hash.c
cdb_seek.c
cdb_unpack.c
cdbmake.h
cdbmake_add.c
cdbmake_hash.c
cdbmake_pack.c
cdbmss.c
cdbmss.h
chkshsgr.c
chkspawn.c
coe.3
coe.c
coe.h
commands.c
commands.h
condredirect.1
condredirect.c
conf-break
conf-cc
conf-groups
conf-ld
conf-patrn
conf-qmail
conf-spawn
conf-split
conf-users
config-fast.sh
config.sh
constmap.c
constmap.h
control.c
control.h
date822fmt.c
date822fmt.h
datemail.sh
datetime.3
datetime.c
datetime.h
datetime_un.c
direntry.3
direntry.h1
direntry.h2
dns.c
dns.h
dnscname.c
dnsdoe.c
dnsdoe.h
dnsfq.c
dnsip.c
dnsmxip.c
dnsptr.c
dot-qmail.9
elq.sh
env.3
env.c
env.h
envelopes.5
envread.c
error.3
error.c
error.h
error_str.3
error_str.c
error_temp.3
error_temp.c
except.1
except.c
exit.h
extra.h
fd.h
fd_copy.3
fd_copy.c
fd_move.3
fd_move.c
fifo.c
fifo.h
fifo_make.3
find-systype.sh
fmt.h
fmt_str.c
fmt_strn.c
fmt_uint.c
fmt_uint0.c
fmt_ulong.c
fmtqfn.c
fmtqfn.h
forgeries.7
fork.h1
fork.h2
forward.1
forward.c
gen_alloc.h
gen_allocdefs.h
getln.3
getln.c
getln.h
getln2.3
getln2.c
gfrom.c
gfrom.h
headerbody.c
headerbody.h
hfield.c
hfield.h
hier.c
home+df.sh
home.sh
hostname.c
idedit.c
install-big.c
install.c
instcheck.c
ip.c
ip.h
ipalloc.c
ipalloc.h
ipme.c
ipme.h
ipmeprint.c
lock.h
lock_ex.c
lock_exnb.c
lock_un.c
maildir.5
maildir.c
maildir.h
maildir2mbox.1
maildir2mbox.c
maildirmake.1
maildirmake.c
maildirwatch.1
maildirwatch.c
mailsubj.1
mailsubj.sh
make-compile.sh
make-load.sh
make-makelib.sh
mbox.5
myctime.c
myctime.h
ndelay.c
ndelay.h
ndelay_off.c
newfield.c
newfield.h
now.3
now.c
now.h
open.h
open_append.c
open_excl.c
open_read.c
open_trunc.c
open_write.c
pinq.sh
predate.c
preline.1
preline.c
prioq.c
prioq.h
proc+df.sh
proc.sh
prot.c
prot.h
qail.sh
qbiff.1
qbiff.c
qlx.h
qmail-clean.8
qmail-clean.c
qmail-command.8
qmail-control.9
qmail-getpw.9
qmail-getpw.c
qmail-header.5
qmail-inject.8
qmail-inject.c
qmail-limits.9
qmail-local.8
qmail-local.c
qmail-log.5
qmail-lspawn.8
qmail-lspawn.c
qmail-newmrh.9
qmail-newmrh.c
qmail-newu.9
qmail-newu.c
qmail-pop3d.8
qmail-pop3d.c
qmail-popup.8
qmail-popup.c
qmail-pw2u.9
qmail-pw2u.c
qmail-qmqpc.8
qmail-qmqpc.c
qmail-qmqpd.8
qmail-qmqpd.c
qmail-qmtpd.8
qmail-qmtpd.c
qmail-qread.8
qmail-qread.c
qmail-qstat.8
qmail-qstat.sh
qmail-queue.8
qmail-queue.c
qmail-remote.8
qmail-remote.c
qmail-rspawn.8
qmail-rspawn.c
qmail-send.9
qmail-send.c
qmail-showctl.8
qmail-showctl.c
qmail-smtpd.8
qmail-smtpd.c
qmail-start.9
qmail-start.c
qmail-tcpok.8
qmail-tcpok.c
qmail-tcpto.8
qmail-tcpto.c
qmail-upq.sh
qmail-users.9
qmail.7
qmail.c
qmail.h
qreceipt.1
qreceipt.c
qsmhook.c
qsutil.c
qsutil.h
quote.c
quote.h
rcpthosts.c
rcpthosts.h
readsubdir.c
readsubdir.h
readwrite.h
received.c
received.h
remoteinfo.c
remoteinfo.h
scan.h
scan_8long.c
scan_ulong.c
seek.h
seek_cur.c
seek_end.c
seek_set.c
seek_trunc.c
select.h1
select.h2
sendmail.c
sgetopt.3
sgetopt.c
sgetopt.h
sig.h
sig_alarm.c
sig_block.c
sig_bug.c
sig_catch.c
sig_child.c
sig_hup.c
sig_misc.c
sig_pause.c
sig_pipe.c
sig_term.c
slurpclose.c
slurpclose.h
spawn.c
splogger.8
splogger.c
str.h
str_chr.c
str_cpy.c
str_diff.c
str_diffn.c
str_len.c
str_rchr.c
str_start.c
stralloc.3
stralloc.h
stralloc_arts.c
stralloc_cat.c
stralloc_catb.c
stralloc_cats.c
stralloc_copy.c
stralloc_eady.c
stralloc_opyb.c
stralloc_opys.c
stralloc_pend.c
strerr.h
strerr_die.c
strerr_sys.c
subfd.h
subfderr.c
subfdin.c
subfdins.c
subfdout.c
subfdouts.c
subgetopt.3
subgetopt.c
subgetopt.h
substdi.c
substdio.c
substdio.h
substdio_copy.c
substdo.c
tcp-env.1
tcp-env.c
tcp-environ.5
tcpto.c

Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)

2000-09-13 Thread Robin S. Socha

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 04:32]:
 Hello I have documented each step up until they fail.

Damn, you are *STUPID*. When someone tells you to post a *SHORT* and
*PREGNANT* error message, why do you send  600 lines?

 /compile qmail-local.c
 qmail-local.c:1: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
 make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1

/usr/src/linux/include/linux/types.h

Which part of "did you install your kernel sources" from, like, a day
ago, do I have to read out s-l-o-w-l-y to you again?
http://www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/qmail/2000/09/msg00774.html



Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Russ Allbery

Please don't post hundreds of lines of directory listings of the qmail
source.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 /compile qmail-local.c
 qmail-local.c:1: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
 qmail-local.c:2: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory

There's something seriously wrong with your system include files; both of
those files should be in /usr/include.  This is *not* a problem with your
kernel sources as another person said (if it were, sys/types.h would be
found and linux/types.h would be missing); it's a problem at an even
earlier level than that.

Your system's development environment is either corrupted or only
partially installed at a very fundamental level.

-- 
Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/



Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Uwe Ohse

On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 01:32:16AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 qmail-local.c:1: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
 qmail-local.c:2: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory

/usr/include/sys/stat.h (types.h) is missing. This is an developement
environment installation problem. You are possibly missing some
-dev or kernel-source packages.

 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/types.h

i suspect the C compiler doesn't look there by default.
You _may_ get away by adding "-I/usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/"
to conf-cc, so that it looks like:
cc -O2 -I/usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/
that may help to compile the sources. You possibly *need* to to 
add -L/usr/i386-glibc21-linux/lib/ to conf-ld, too.


 reveals that these files are indeed on the drive someplace.

yeah, but not where your compiler expects them.

 
 Ok thats when I tried installing the RPMS from the link at
 http://www.qmail.org/top.html and joined this mailing list and got verbally
 and mentally abused by the entire world for being "so fscking like the GNU
 generation" or some such nonsense.

No. I call that SuSE generation :-)

 impression I get from this list.  I am just trying to install it and see if
 I want to use it, and recommend it to other newbies.  Unfortunately I am the
 smartest newbie I know, and I know a lot of newbies.

Mail server installation is not exactly newbie stuff, but qmail may also
be installed by newbies on linuxmachines if the machines are installed
properly. Your's isn't, sorry.

Regards, Uwe



RE: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Steve Carter

...
 qmail-local.c:1: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
 qmail-local.c:2: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory
 make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1
 [root@www qmail-1.03]#
 
 DARN!!!
 
 however,
 
 [root@www qmail-1.03]# locate types.h
 /usr/include/security/_pam_types.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/kmap_types.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/posix_types.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/types.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/ioctl-types.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/pthreadtypes.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/types.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/inttypes.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/posix_types.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/qnxtypes.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/sunrpc/types.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/types.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/nl_types.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/rpc/types.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/bitypes.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/types.h
 [root@www qmail-1.03]#
 
 and
 
 [root@www qmail-1.03]# locate stat.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/stat.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/stat.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/ustat.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/kernel_stat.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/stat.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/rpcsvc/rstat.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/stat.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/ustat.h
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/ustat.h
 [root@www qmail-1.03]#
 
 reveals that these files are indeed on the drive someplace.

I get this:

bash$ locate sys/types.h
/usr/include/sys/types.h
/usr/lib/bcc/include/sys/types.h
/usr/i386-glibc20-linux/include/sys/types.h
bash$ locate sys/stat.h
/usr/include/sys/stat.h
/usr/lib/bcc/include/sys/stat.h
/usr/i386-glibc20-linux/include/sys/stat.h
bash$

I reckon you've got a duff linux install.  If /usr/include does
not exist, try 

$ ln -s /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include /usr/include

if /usr/include does but /usr/include/sys doesn't, try

$ ln -s /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys /usr/include/sys

if _that_ exists too, try

$ cp /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/stat.h /usr/include/sys/
$ cp /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/types.h /usr/include/sys/

This is what I'd do to get going and try qmail out, but I'd try to
get to the bottom of why you don't have /usr/include/sys/types.h in
the first place.  What linux distribution are you using?

 got verbally and mentally abused by the entire world for being 
 "so fscking like the GNU generation" or some such nonsense.

Relax about that; the majority of folks on this list don't hold that
poster's opinion, or if they do, they're a bit more patient...



Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread linuxpeople

Ok everyone sorry about the posting of hundreds of lines of source code I
felt that it was needed and apparently you don't.  I was just being
thorough. I promise its not intended to upset anyone.  I swear!

Also keepin mind this is the real world and I own a 486 with 8 megs of ram
and a small hard drive.  I did not install a compiler except to accommodate
qmail on this machine.  I compiled the 2.2.16 kernel on a fast machine and
moved it to the 486 which is the proposed mail server.  I suppose I could do
the same with the qmail program but as you can tell I am not adept at this
sort of thing.

SO I suppose I "need" to install the kernel sources even though the files
are on my drive?  Why?  If they are there why not move them or link them
somehow?

After all it seems that I am limited to the actual steps in the INSTALL
docs. lesss I lose this last line of tech support.  I don't want to get
creative and start "doing it my way" now do I?  Or you guys will just yell
at me again!

I can re-install the entire machine with red hat 6.0 then upgrade every
package again, but I don't see the need its a fresh 112 meg install with the
various applications upgraded as needed to meet security issues that have
arisen as of late.

I do not want to re-install the entire machine but can.  I can install the
kernel source and headers if needed but I am low on space.

Suggestions on what to do?

(I am reading the nice replys and trying them first thanks guys)


- Original Message -
From: "Russ Allbery" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread


 Please don't post hundreds of lines of directory listings of the qmail
 source.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  /compile qmail-local.c
  qmail-local.c:1: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
  qmail-local.c:2: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory

 There's something seriously wrong with your system include files; both of
 those files should be in /usr/include.  This is *not* a problem with your
 kernel sources as another person said (if it were, sys/types.h would be
 found and linux/types.h would be missing); it's a problem at an even
 earlier level than that.

 Your system's development environment is either corrupted or only
 partially installed at a very fundamental level.

 --
 Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/




Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Russ Allbery

linuxpeople [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I can re-install the entire machine with red hat 6.0 then upgrade every
 package again, but I don't see the need its a fresh 112 meg install with
 the various applications upgraded as needed to meet security issues that
 have arisen as of late.

My Linux box says that /usr/include/sys/types.h is part of glibc-devel.
Do you have that package installed?

-- 
Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/



Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread linuxpeople

Am I replying correctly or are these screwing up the "threads" again?

I am using outlook express and will continue to do so throughout this ordeal
so if its ruining the "web page" posting please tell me now so I can do it
correctly.

I hit "reply all" to respond to these is that correct?

**Also, please scroll down for the comments to this post, they actually
worked now I have a new error.

- Original Message -
From: "Steve Carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Qmail mailing list (E-mail)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:08 AM
Subject: RE: linuxpeople thread


 ...
  qmail-local.c:1: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
  qmail-local.c:2: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory
  make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1
  [root@www qmail-1.03]#
 
  DARN!!!
 
  however,
 
  [root@www qmail-1.03]# locate types.h
  /usr/include/security/_pam_types.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/kmap_types.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/posix_types.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/types.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/ioctl-types.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/pthreadtypes.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/types.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/inttypes.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/posix_types.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/qnxtypes.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/sunrpc/types.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/types.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/nl_types.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/rpc/types.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/bitypes.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/types.h
  [root@www qmail-1.03]#
 
  and
 
  [root@www qmail-1.03]# locate stat.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/stat.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/stat.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/ustat.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/kernel_stat.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/stat.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/rpcsvc/rstat.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/stat.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/ustat.h
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/ustat.h
  [root@www qmail-1.03]#
 
  reveals that these files are indeed on the drive someplace.

 I get this:

 bash$ locate sys/types.h
 /usr/include/sys/types.h
 /usr/lib/bcc/include/sys/types.h
 /usr/i386-glibc20-linux/include/sys/types.h
 bash$ locate sys/stat.h
 /usr/include/sys/stat.h
 /usr/lib/bcc/include/sys/stat.h
 /usr/i386-glibc20-linux/include/sys/stat.h
 bash$

 I reckon you've got a duff linux install.  If /usr/include does
 not exist, try

a "duff"  = messed up? Or something specific?


 $ ln -s /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include /usr/include

 if /usr/include does but /usr/include/sys doesn't, try


 $ ln -s /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys /usr/include/sys

 if _that_ exists too, try

 $ cp /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/stat.h /usr/include/sys/
 $ cp /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/types.h /usr/include/sys/


Ok I think I am making progress

[root@www qmail-1.03]# ln -s /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys
/usr/include/sys

[root@www qmail-1.03]# cp /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/types.h
/usr/include/sys/
cp: `/usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/types.h' and
`/usr/include/sys/types.h' are the same file

[root@www qmail-1.03]# cp /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/stat.h
/usr/include/sys/
cp: `/usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/stat.h' and
`/usr/include/sys/stat.h' are the same file

[root@www qmail-1.03]# make setup check
/compile qmail-local.c
In file included from qmail-local.c:1:
/usr/include/sys/types.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory
/usr/include/sys/types.h:30: bits/types.h: No such file or directory
/usr/include/sys/types.h:123: time.h: No such file or directory
In file included from qmail-local.c:2:
/usr/include/sys/stat.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory
/usr/include/sys/stat.h:28: bits/types.h: No such file or directory
/usr/include/sys/stat.h:89: bits/stat.h: No such file or directory
make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1

That looks like progress to me ...

 This is what I'd do to get going and try qmail out, but I'd try to
 get to the bottom of why you don't have /usr/include/sys/types.h in
 the first place.

Me too!

 What linux distribution are you using?

Red Hat 6.0 with all www related security updates including a 2.2.16 kernel
I compiled on another machine and transferred over.


  got verbally and mentally abused by the entire world for being
  "so fscking like the GNU generation" or some such nonsense.

 Relax about that; the majority of folks on this list don't hold that
 poster's opinion, or if they do, they're a bit more patient...

Ok thanks : ) maybe I can sleep now



Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread linuxpeople


- Original Message -
From: "Russ Allbery" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread


 linuxpeople [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I can re-install the entire machine with red hat 6.0 then upgrade every
  package again, but I don't see the need its a fresh 112 meg install with
  the various applications upgraded as needed to meet security issues that
  have arisen as of late.

 My Linux box says that /usr/include/sys/types.h is part of glibc-devel.
 Do you have that package installed?

error: failed dependencies:
kernel-headers   is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15
kernel-headers = 2.2.1 is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15

Apparently not.

I will install glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 and its deps right now if you think it
will help.

I have a feeling I will just be a lot lower on disk space after this.  After
all I have those .h files its looking for on the drive now.

What I do not have is a need for a full fledged "development" installation.
This is a 486 with 8 megs of ram on a 500 meg hard drive and the less
compiling and un-needed installations I do the better.

so at great distress I post these lines :

[root@www qmail-1.03]# make setup check
/compile qmail-local.c
In file included from qmail-local.c:1:
/usr/include/sys/types.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory
/usr/include/sys/types.h:30: bits/types.h: No such file or directory
/usr/include/sys/types.h:123: time.h: No such file or directory
In file included from qmail-local.c:2:
/usr/include/sys/stat.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory
/usr/include/sys/stat.h:28: bits/types.h: No such file or directory
/usr/include/sys/stat.h:89: bits/stat.h: No such file or directory
make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1

I am sorry I included so many but I think you need them all.

Ok those files are also on the hard drive. They are all in
/usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/

and I tried cp *.h /usr/include/sys  Now they are all in there but "make
setup check" still gives the same error.

I got this far by trying what Steve Carter suggested earlier.  He may have
replied by now.

I realize this is not a qmail problem, rather a small - install problem and
do appreciate any help offered




 --
 Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/




RE: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Steve Carter

Unfortunately you can't.  "lusers" like you and me are spoiling it for
everyone.

We should get new MUAs.  ("mail clients")

 I am using outlook express and will continue to do so 
 throughout this ordeal so if its ruining the "web page"
 posting please tell me now so I can do it correctly.



Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Peter Green

linuxpeople [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 error: failed dependencies:
 kernel-headers   is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15
 kernel-headers = 2.2.1 is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15
 
 Apparently not.
 
 I will install glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 and its deps right now if you think it
 will help.

Wouldn't it just be possible to:

1) do everything in the INSTALL on a ``faster'' development machine,
2) tar up the source tree with the binaries already built,
3) transfer it to the less-disk-endowed machine,
4) untar it, and
5) run make setup check?

All of this without requiring a compiler on the lesser machine...doable?
(For that matter, ``linuxpeople'', you should be able to build a binary RPM
from the source RPM on the faster machine and use that binary to install on
the lesser machine.)

Obligatory support note: people on this list tend to get a little cranky.
Why? Because this is NOT a Linux, Redhat, gcc, RPM, c. support list. You
would note that the RPM stuff isn't standard by looking at
http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html and noting that there is no mention of RPMs
there. The FAQ located at that page mentions nothing about RPMs. If you are
receiving compiler errors, the first thing to check is *your* *compiler*,
NOT the application you are trying to compile. If you are uncertain as to
how compilers work (even at a very rudimentary level, as is the extent of my
knowledge), you should ask on a OS-specific mailing list what you're doing
wrong. (You might even consider another line of work, or doing a whole lot
of reading on computers before you continue. Trust me, this will save you
headaches, even those given to you by ``rude'' people on mailing lists.)

Finally, if you *still* had questions on the RPM install (sorry I'm harping
on it, but I've used it extensively, and I *love* it), you probably ought to
have read the page from which you downloaded the RPM.

http://em.ca/~bruceg/qmail+patches/
``If you have any comments or requests, please e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]''
``A mailing list has been set up to discuss these RPMs. To subscribe, send
an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]''

Bruce and the others on that list would quickly point you to this list if
the problem were truly related to qmail, which it isn't.

/pg, who accepts Visa/Mastercard for long support posts.
-- 
Peter Green : Gospel Communications Network, SysAdmin : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
---
"And the next time you consider complaining that running Lucid Emacs
19.05 via NFS from a remote Linux machine in Paraguay doesn't seem to
get the background colors right, you'll know who to thank."
(By Matt Welsh)




Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread linuxpeople

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Russ Allbery" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread



 - Original Message -
 From: "Russ Allbery" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:14 AM
 Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread


  linuxpeople [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   I can re-install the entire machine with red hat 6.0 then upgrade
every
   package again, but I don't see the need its a fresh 112 meg install
with
   the various applications upgraded as needed to meet security issues
that
   have arisen as of late.
 
  My Linux box says that /usr/include/sys/types.h is part of glibc-devel.
  Do you have that package installed?


Thanks Russ Allbery,

I installed glibc-devel and its deps, and watched it make the proper files
and directories.  I also lost 40 megs of disk space!  There is no way I can
use this on my normal 200 meg hard drive, 486 server installs .. its a
shame.

But its compiling!  Judging by the speed of the first 10 lines I am should
try and sleep while it finishes, but thats not going to happen.

Thanks for taking the time to check that for me you basically solved the
problem.now.

I can go on to step 4 woo hooo!


 error: failed dependencies:
 kernel-headers   is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15
 kernel-headers = 2.2.1 is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15

 Apparently not.

 I will install glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 and its deps right now if you think it
 will help.

 I have a feeling I will just be a lot lower on disk space after this.
After
 all I have those .h files its looking for on the drive now.

 What I do not have is a need for a full fledged "development"
installation.
 This is a 486 with 8 megs of ram on a 500 meg hard drive and the less
 compiling and un-needed installations I do the better.

 so at great distress I post these lines :

 [root@www qmail-1.03]# make setup check
 /compile qmail-local.c
 In file included from qmail-local.c:1:
 /usr/include/sys/types.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory
 /usr/include/sys/types.h:30: bits/types.h: No such file or directory
 /usr/include/sys/types.h:123: time.h: No such file or directory
 In file included from qmail-local.c:2:
 /usr/include/sys/stat.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory
 /usr/include/sys/stat.h:28: bits/types.h: No such file or directory
 /usr/include/sys/stat.h:89: bits/stat.h: No such file or directory
 make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1

 I am sorry I included so many but I think you need them all.

 Ok those files are also on the hard drive. They are all in
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/

 and I tried cp *.h /usr/include/sys  Now they are all in there but "make
 setup check" still gives the same error.

 I got this far by trying what Steve Carter suggested earlier.  He may have
 replied by now.

 I realize this is not a qmail problem, rather a small - install problem
and
 do appreciate any help offered



 
  --
  Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/
 




Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread linuxpeople

- Original Message -
From: "Peter Green" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread


 linuxpeople [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  error: failed dependencies:
  kernel-headers   is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15
  kernel-headers = 2.2.1 is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15
 
  Apparently not.
 
  I will install glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 and its deps right now if you think
it
  will help.

 Wouldn't it just be possible to:

 1) do everything in the INSTALL on a ``faster'' development machine,
 2) tar up the source tree with the binaries already built,
 3) transfer it to the less-disk-endowed machine,
 4) untar it, and
 5) run make setup check?

Obviously, I even suggested that.  However, its not mentioned in the qmail
docs as "acceptable" to do so.

 All of this without requiring a compiler on the lesser machine...doable?
 (For that matter, ``linuxpeople'', you should be able to build a binary
RPM

Is that a slam against the name "linuxpeople"?

 from the source RPM on the faster machine and use that binary to install
on
 the lesser machine.)

Why should I have to go through that bother?  The qmail page provides a link
to an RPM for red hat in the first paragraph. http://www.qmail.org/top.html
SRC RPMS are as much of a hassle as compiling and moving qmail/

You know, nearly everyones response has been "you should have read this or
that" well I am here to tell you I do read very well, and have read all
available docs for 4 days.  The docs can not possibly cover every situation,
and did not cover mine!  Reading is a lot easier then dealing with
antosocial-newbie-haters that wish they were part of the l33t that run
Internet but are stuck volunteering on a free software maill support list,
so they pick on every obvious newbie that asks a question.

 Obligatory support note: people on this list tend to get a little cranky.

Yeah right  ... and some people are emotionally disturbed and should not be
helping with this list at all.  That guy from earlier needs extensive
counseling for his problems.  Thank god all I need is a faster machine with
a newer distro and a line in my ipchains

ipchains -A output -d kens.com -j REJECT

 Why? Because this is NOT a Linux, Redhat, gcc, RPM, c. support list.

I never claimed it was, I initially asked questions about a running install
of qmail that had errors.  I was told to re-install from source (among other
less-helpful suggestions) for the best effect, and that people might be able
to help with the error I mentioned.  It is already done compiling now.  I
sure as hell hope the docs cover runnig and maintaing qmail better than they
do the installation.

Like I said in this post you are replying to "I realize this is not a qmail
problem, rather a small - install problem and
do appreciate any help offered"  Who needs to read more closely?

You would note that the RPM stuff isn't standard by looking at
 http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html and noting that there is no mention of RPMs

the link to the RPM is on the qmail page http://www.qmail.org/top.html so I
suggest someone quit linking it or post a warning that you will be ridiculed
and/or ignored by the qmail crew if you use it!

 there. The FAQ located at that page mentions nothing about RPMs. If you
are
 receiving compiler errors, the first thing to check is *your* *compiler*,

**obviously, as I have stated many times myself ...**

 NOT the application you are trying to compile.

**How many times must I mention that I know that its not qmail ?**

 If you are uncertain as to
 how compilers work (even at a very rudimentary level, as is the extent of
my
 knowledge), you should ask on a OS-specific mailing list what you're doing
 wrong. (You might even consider another line of work, or doing a whole lot
 of reading on computers before you continue. Trust me, this will save you
 headaches, even those given to you by ``rude'' people on mailing lists.)


Geez you would no fun at a pep rally and please do not take work as an
inspiration speaker!

 Finally, if you *still* had questions on the RPM install (sorry I'm
harping
 on it, but I've used it extensively,

what the rpm?

and I *love* it), you probably ought to
 have read the page from which you downloaded the RPM.

there you go again accusing me of not reading .. believe me this list is a
last resort!  Not only did I read the every doc I could find online I
install with rpm -ivvh --test and read all that output.

 http://em.ca/~bruceg/qmail+patches/
 ``If you have any comments or requests, please e-mail me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]''
 ``A mailing list has been set up to discuss these RPMs. To subscribe, send
 an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]''

Ok in my case the rpms did not make the "qmail-smtp"   plain and simple, if
you read back you will see the thread someplace in this mess.  If you like I
can duplicate this on another 486 when I am done with

Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread linuxpeople


- Original Message -
From: "Chris Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread


 On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 06:01:26AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Reading is a lot easier then dealing with antosocial-newbie-haters that
wish
  they were part of the l33t that run Internet but are stuck volunteering
on a
  free software maill support list, so they pick on every obvious newbie
that
  asks a question.

 "Stuck volunteering" is an oxymoron.

 You're one of the more annoying people who's posted on this list in a
while.
 Most newbies manage to post their questions and get answers here without
 pissing everyone off.

  Yeah right  ... and some people are emotionally disturbed and should not
be
  helping with this list at all.  That guy from earlier needs extensive
  counseling for his problems.

 Good luck getting any more help. You're on your own now.

Now?  Where have you been?  As far as pissing people off that seems to be
the main goal of the peole that have replied to my posts.   I know all you
guys are not like this, but most of you seem to be.  Why waste the time?

When a newbie comes to me for help I pay special attention to their needs
and do not simply reply with "RTFM" or "man this" like most of the "help"
out there.

My question is this Chris,  "Why did you even bother replying it has nothing
to do with my problem with qmail?

Thanks for nothing.

I see its ok for that kens.net guy to call me names like "STUPID" and
"luser" and even change the name of my thread to "linuxluser" all because he
assmes I didn't read anything especially his reply ...which had not yet
arrived when he flamed me.

But I can't call him like I see him?  That guy needs professional counseling
and I sure hope he gets it. This support list is somewhat of a joke as I
suspected it would be.  The worst part is years from now when people come
across the thread, he will still be attacking people and I will be helping
them.


 Chris




Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread linuxpeople

I got all the way up to:
Step 7.
Read INSTALL.maildir

Here's how to set up qmail to use maildir for your incoming mail:

   % maildirmake $HOME/Maildir
   % echo ./Maildir/  ~/.qmail

[root@www qmail-1.03]# maildirmake $HOME/Maildir
bash: maildirmake: command not found
[root@www qmail-1.03]#

Any legitimate suggestions?


A NOTE for the kiddies in here ..

Frankly, I would prefer if the emotionally insecure to just ignore my posts
ok?  The people that didn't make fun of me actually answered my questions.
qmail is installed now.  Coincidence?  If you don't know the answer to my
questions then please stfu about it and keep your opinion to yourself for
once in your life.  If you think you can belittle me and expect to me to sit
back and take it forever then you have another thing coming!  This is the
last post including any notes of a personal nature.  If you have a problem
or want to call me names then email me directly.



RE: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Tim Hunter

try /var/qmail/bin/maildirmake $HOME/Maildir

don't run it as root either, run it as a user, qmail does not run or deliver
as root it will just screw up your maildir permissions.

Have your read Life with qmail by Dave Sill?
It seems to be the just the documentation you need, there is a link to it
from the qmail.org site.

-- Tim

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:01 AM
To: Steve Carter; Qmail mailing list (E-mail)
Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread


I got all the way up to:
Step 7.
Read INSTALL.maildir

Here's how to set up qmail to use maildir for your incoming mail:

   % maildirmake $HOME/Maildir
   % echo ./Maildir/  ~/.qmail

[root@www qmail-1.03]# maildirmake $HOME/Maildir
bash: maildirmake: command not found
[root@www qmail-1.03]#

Any legitimate suggestions?


A NOTE for the kiddies in here ..

Frankly, I would prefer if the emotionally insecure to just ignore my posts
ok?  The people that didn't make fun of me actually answered my questions.
qmail is installed now.  Coincidence?  If you don't know the answer to my
questions then please stfu about it and keep your opinion to yourself for
once in your life.  If you think you can belittle me and expect to me to sit
back and take it forever then you have another thing coming!  This is the
last post including any notes of a personal nature.  If you have a problem
or want to call me names then email me directly.




Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Oliver Koch

On Mit, 13 Sep 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I got all the way up to:
 Step 7.
 Read INSTALL.maildir
 
 Here's how to set up qmail to use maildir for your incoming mail:
 
% maildirmake $HOME/Maildir
% echo ./Maildir/  ~/.qmail
 
 [root@www qmail-1.03]# maildirmake $HOME/Maildir
 bash: maildirmake: command not found
 [root@www qmail-1.03]#
 
 Any legitimate suggestions?

Seems you haven't got /var/qmail/bin in your path. Try

/var/qmail/bin/maildirmake $HOME/Maildir

hih,

-- 
Oliver Koch  Systems Administrator
Computational Mathematics  Optimization Institute of Analysis
Johannes Kepler University LinzAustria
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Tel. +43 70 2469 9166



Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Oezguer Kesim

Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

 [root@www qmail-1.03]# maildirmake $HOME/Maildir
 bash: maildirmake: command not found
 [root@www qmail-1.03]#
 
 Any legitimate suggestions?

/var/qmail/bin/maildirmake
or
PATH=$PATH:/var/qmail/bin
maildirmake

I prefer learning the basics of a UNIX environment first before trying to
setup qmail.

  oec



Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Jason Brooke


% maildirmake $HOME/Maildir
% echo ./Maildir/  ~/.qmail
 
 [root@www qmail-1.03]# maildirmake $HOME/Maildir
 bash: maildirmake: command not found
 [root@www qmail-1.03]#
 
 Any legitimate suggestions?


It's not in your path, so specify the path to it 

jason 






Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Robin S. Socha

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 09:54]:
 "Chris Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  You're one of the more annoying people who's posted on this list in
  a while.  Most newbies manage to post their questions and get
  answers here without pissing everyone off.
[...]
  Good luck getting any more help. You're on your own now.
 
 Now?  Where have you been?  As far as pissing people off that seems to
 be the main goal of the peole that have replied to my posts.   

Doesn't that make you wonder why?

 This support list is 

... not a support list:

|qmail: For discussion of the qmail package, the qmailanalog package, the
|dot-forward package, and the fastforward package. To subscribe, send an
|empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is unmoderated
|and high-volume. 

What you were looking for can be found here:

http://cr.yp.to/qmail/faq/solutions.html

 The worst part is years from now when people come across the thread,
 he will still be attacking people and I will be helping them.

Yeah, right: "Nameless idiot helps ML reader to death after being flamed
by a Bastard." Film at 11. Anyone feel like buying popcorn shares?



Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)

2000-09-13 Thread Stephen Bosch



"Robin S. Socha" wrote:
 
 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 04:32]:
  Hello I have documented each step up until they fail.
 
 Damn, you are *STUPID*. When someone tells you to post a *SHORT* and
 *PREGNANT* error message, why do you send  600 lines?

And HOT damn, you are rude! Got too much free time on your hands?

Nice to see you are leading by example. People can do silly things, that
doesn't mean you need mow them down.

No class.

-Stephen-



Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)

2000-09-13 Thread linuxpeople

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael T. Babcock" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Robin S. Socha" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)


 Because every other time someone posts an error message, they get told to
 send ALL their logs.  So now, someone does, and they're told they're an
 idiot for not reading your mind?


Amen brother!  

 
 - Original Message -
 From: "Robin S. Socha" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
  * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 04:32]:
   Hello I have documented each step up until they fail.
 
  Damn, you are *STUPID*. When someone tells you to post a *SHORT* and
  *PREGNANT* error message, why do you send  600 lines?
 
 



Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)

2000-09-13 Thread Robin S. Socha

* Michael T. Babcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 11:13]:
 "Robin S. Socha" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 04:32]:

[quoting readjusted]

   I have documented each step up until they fail.
  Damn, you are *STUPID*. When someone tells you to post a *SHORT* and
  *PREGNANT* error message, why do you send  600 lines?

 Because every other time someone posts an error message, they get told
 to send ALL their logs.  So now, someone does, and they're told
 they're an idiot for not reading your mind?

|[root@www local]# cd /usr/local/qmail-1.03/
|[root@www qmail-1.03]#ls
[~500 lines nuked]

You call that a log? Why don't you learn to use your MUA in a decent way
instead of lamenting the fate of an unknown luser. Your pathetic whining
sucks.
-- 
Down, not across



Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Stephen Bosch



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 so at great distress I post these lines :
 
 [root@www qmail-1.03]# make setup check
 /compile qmail-local.c
 In file included from qmail-local.c:1:
 /usr/include/sys/types.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory
 /usr/include/sys/types.h:30: bits/types.h: No such file or directory
 /usr/include/sys/types.h:123: time.h: No such file or directory
 In file included from qmail-local.c:2:
 /usr/include/sys/stat.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory
 /usr/include/sys/stat.h:28: bits/types.h: No such file or directory
 /usr/include/sys/stat.h:89: bits/stat.h: No such file or directory
 make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1
 
 I am sorry I included so many but I think you need them all.
 
 Ok those files are also on the hard drive. They are all in
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/

They're not the same files =(

Are you really sure you want the misery of running a mail server on a
486 with only 8 Mb of RAM?

-Stephen-



Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Frank Tegtmeyer


 Yeah, right: "Nameless idiot helps ML reader to death after being flamed
 by a Bastard." Film at 11. Anyone feel like buying popcorn shares?

I suggest that everyone who feels that linuxpeople is stupid should ignore 
him NOW.
Everyone who thinks there is any hope he will get his system up should 
support him by private mail NOW.

Hopefully it will kill this idiotic thread fast.

Regards, Frank



Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread David Gadoury



 Any legitimate suggestions?

yeah several, but this is a qmail list not a general-unix-help list so
figure it out yourself.






Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Michael T. Babcock

- Original Message -
From: "Robin S. Socha" [EMAIL PROTECTED]


  Now?  Where have you been?  As far as pissing people off that seems to
  be the main goal of the peole that have replied to my posts.

 Doesn't that make you wonder why?

 Yeah, right: "Nameless idiot helps ML reader to death after being flamed
 by a Bastard." Film at 11. Anyone feel like buying popcorn shares?

You just have a bad attitude, plain and simple.  And like I said in private
before, you've come close to prosecutable offenses in some countries.

Note: your posts are more noise, less signal, than any of the people you've
flamed.  Most of my flames are done in private Email.  Start reading some of
those Internet newbie sites again, and learn how to deal with people you
don't like on mailing lists the recommended way -- in private.

I think you just enjoy being heard (anyone want to search 'socha' in the
mail archives?).

Note: which part of "discussion of qmail" eliminates asking for help?  Its
not a specific help list, no.  Its a _general_ list.




Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Felix von Leitner

Thus spake Stephen Bosch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  so at great distress I post these lines :
  
  [root@www qmail-1.03]# make setup check
  /compile qmail-local.c
  In file included from qmail-local.c:1:
  /usr/include/sys/types.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory
  /usr/include/sys/types.h:30: bits/types.h: No such file or directory
  /usr/include/sys/types.h:123: time.h: No such file or directory
  In file included from qmail-local.c:2:
  /usr/include/sys/stat.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory
  /usr/include/sys/stat.h:28: bits/types.h: No such file or directory
  /usr/include/sys/stat.h:89: bits/stat.h: No such file or directory
  make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1
  
  I am sorry I included so many but I think you need them all.
  
  Ok those files are also on the hard drive. They are all in
  /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/

[to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]": (I just joined and didn't get the
original posting)]
Fix your fucking system.
Oh, and learn how to cut and paste.  The first line starts with
"./compile", not "/compile".

Alternatively, you might edit compile to include
"-I/usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include", but then linking will probably
fail.

I will tell you how to fix that for my low, low rate of $ 1000 a minute.
Additional fees may apply.

 Are you really sure you want the misery of running a mail server on a
 486 with only 8 Mb of RAM?

I once ran a mail server with server high volume mailing lists on a 386
with 4 Megs RAM.  It lasted several months, before we replaced it to get
higher response times from the web server that was also running on the
box.

Felix



Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)

2000-09-13 Thread Michael T. Babcock

Because every other time someone posts an error message, they get told to
send ALL their logs.  So now, someone does, and they're told they're an
idiot for not reading your mind?

- Original Message -
From: "Robin S. Socha" [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 04:32]:
  Hello I have documented each step up until they fail.

 Damn, you are *STUPID*. When someone tells you to post a *SHORT* and
 *PREGNANT* error message, why do you send  600 lines?




Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)

2000-09-13 Thread markd

On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 11:15:43AM -0400, Michael T. Babcock wrote:
 Because every other time someone posts an error message, they get told to
 send ALL their logs.  So now, someone does, and they're told they're an
 idiot for not reading your mind?

This is boring, but to be correct, mostly people want the logs/details
put up on a web site and have the URL posted to the list.


Regards.


 
 - Original Message -
 From: "Robin S. Socha" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
  * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 04:32]:
   Hello I have documented each step up until they fail.
 
  Damn, you are *STUPID*. When someone tells you to post a *SHORT* and
  *PREGNANT* error message, why do you send  600 lines?
 



Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)

2000-09-13 Thread Michael T. Babcock

How do you manage to get back to MUAs in most messages you write?

How exactly am I mis-using my MUA?  Hmmm?  I'm not misusing my MUA.  I
didn't complain about how messages looked, yours, mine or others'.  You're
the one who's been whining.  That can be verified by the archives if you
have some problem with your memory.

You whine CONSTANTLY about peoples' MUAs.  Don't tell us to change, follow
your own advice and shut-up.

- Original Message -
From: "Robin S. Socha" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 You call that a log? Why don't you learn to use your MUA in a decent way
 instead of lamenting the fate of an unknown luser. Your pathetic whining
 sucks.





Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread David Dyer-Bennet

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 13 September 2000 at 
04:37:19 -0700
  
  - Original Message -
  From: "Russ Allbery" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:14 AM
  Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread
  
  
   linuxpeople [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
I can re-install the entire machine with red hat 6.0 then upgrade every
package again, but I don't see the need its a fresh 112 meg install with
the various applications upgraded as needed to meet security issues that
have arisen as of late.
  
   My Linux box says that /usr/include/sys/types.h is part of glibc-devel.
   Do you have that package installed?
  
  error: failed dependencies:
  kernel-headers   is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15
  kernel-headers = 2.2.1 is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15
  
  Apparently not.
  
  I will install glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 and its deps right now if you think it
  will help.

Yes, it will.  The "devel" variant of glibc is needed if you intend to
compile software, essentially any software, on your system.  Which is
exactly what you're trying to do.

(I'm running Redhat 6.2, with qmail build from the source tarball.)

  I have a feeling I will just be a lot lower on disk space after this.  After
  all I have those .h files its looking for on the drive now.
  
  What I do not have is a need for a full fledged "development" installation.
  This is a 486 with 8 megs of ram on a 500 meg hard drive and the less
  compiling and un-needed installations I do the better.

Yep, that's going to be tight.  Especially memory.  I ran a 486/100
with 48 meg of ram for a while recently.  But my first qmail install
was on a 386/25 with 8 meg of ram, and that ran for years, doing mail
and web too, at my friendly local ISP.  So you should be able to make
it work.
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Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread David Dyer-Bennet

Peter Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 13 September 2000 at 08:13:23 -0400
  linuxpeople [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   error: failed dependencies:
   kernel-headers   is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15
   kernel-headers = 2.2.1 is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15
   
   Apparently not.
   
   I will install glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 and its deps right now if you think it
   will help.
  
  Wouldn't it just be possible to:
  
  1) do everything in the INSTALL on a ``faster'' development machine,
  2) tar up the source tree with the binaries already built,
  3) transfer it to the less-disk-endowed machine,
  4) untar it, and
  5) run make setup check?

Gotta make sure the UIDs and GIDs needed for qmail are the same on
both machines.  I *think* it'll work; unless there's something strange
in the makefiles.  The file dates within the qmail tree should be the
same, so nothing *there* would trigger a recompile

(Oh, and of course he has to have make installed, but he's got that
already). 

It also assumes he *has* a faster and more capacious development
system available.
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Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread David Dyer-Bennet

Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 13 September 2000 at 08:55:01 -0600

  Are you really sure you want the misery of running a mail server on a
  486 with only 8 Mb of RAM?

I ran one on a 386 with 8 Mb of RAM that also ran web.  Worked fine,
except that kernel builds were a bit slow (this being back before
loadable modules in Linux, so I really had to build custom kernels). 

I ran smail on it for a while, and then qmail quite early (might have
been as old as 0.72, don't remember for sure).

Obviously it won't handle very high email loads; but it works just
fine for a light load.

With lots of people having DSL and cable modems, it seems to me that
there's probably a renaissance in making 486-based servers going on
just now :-).  I had one myself until recently -- my backup dns.
Finally replaced with something way over-built for the job that became
available (dual Pentium Pro, 192 meg ram). 
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Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Peter Green

also sprach linuxpeople:
  Wouldn't it just be possible to:
 
  1) do everything in the INSTALL on a ``faster'' development machine,
  2) tar up the source tree with the binaries already built,
  3) transfer it to the less-disk-endowed machine,
  4) untar it, and
  5) run make setup check?
 
 Obviously, I even suggested that.

Did you try it? To what effect?

  All of this without requiring a compiler on the lesser machine...doable?
  (For that matter, ``linuxpeople'', you should be able to build a binary RPM
 
 Is that a slam against the name "linuxpeople"?

Not at all, you didn't provide a name, I wished to address you by your
``Christian'' name, so I used the only thing you did provide. Relax a
little.

  from the source RPM on the faster machine and use that binary to install on
  the lesser machine.)
 
 Why should I have to go through that bother?

Um, because your system wasn't working and you want it to work? ``I want to
be a cool Linux dude, but I don't want to go through the bother of actually
learning anything. What should I do?''

 The qmail page provides a link
 to an RPM for red hat in the first paragraph. http://www.qmail.org/top.html
 SRC RPMS are as much of a hassle as compiling and moving qmail/

Get used to it. System administration is, in general, a hassle.

 You know, nearly everyones response has been "you should have read this or
 that" well I am here to tell you I do read very well, and have read all
 available docs for 4 days.  The docs can not possibly cover every situation,
 and did not cover mine!  Reading is a lot easier then dealing with
 antosocial-newbie-haters that wish they were part of the l33t that run
 Internet but are stuck volunteering on a free software maill support list,
 so they pick on every obvious newbie that asks a question.

I, for one, did not pick on you in the least. And yet, you attack me, like
the clueless luser you now show yourself to be. Lighten up, and try not to
get so agitated over every little thing.

  Why? Because this is NOT a Linux, Redhat, gcc, RPM, c. support list.
 
 I never claimed it was, I initially asked questions about a running install
 of qmail that had errors.  I was told to re-install from source (among other
 less-helpful suggestions) for the best effect, and that people might be able
 to help with the error I mentioned.  It is already done compiling now.  I
 sure as hell hope the docs cover runnig and maintaing qmail better than they
 do the installation.

Interestingly, by following the docs, I have *never* *ever* had these
problems that you are experiencing. While I am sorry to hear that you are
having these problems, I would hardly fault the docs.

 Like I said in this post you are replying to "I realize this is not a qmail
 problem, rather a small - install problem and
 do appreciate any help offered"  Who needs to read more closely?

Like I can follow your incessant abuse and ranting...mostly, I skipped your
posts because they were devoid of *useful* debugging information.

  NOT the application you are trying to compile.
 
 **How many times must I mention that I know that its not qmail ?**

How many times must you post on the qmail list mentioning that you know that
its not qmail?

  If you are uncertain as to
  how compilers work (even at a very rudimentary level, as is the extent of my
  knowledge), you should ask on a OS-specific mailing list what you're doing
  wrong. (You might even consider another line of work, or doing a whole lot
  of reading on computers before you continue. Trust me, this will save you
  headaches, even those given to you by ``rude'' people on mailing lists.)
 
 Geez you would no fun at a pep rally and please do not take work as an
 inspiration speaker!

Ha. A comedian.

I was just giving a little ``tough love'' advice that you need to invest a
whole lot more personal time in understanding how your system works in
general if you *ever* hope to be successful as a sysadmin.

  Finally, if you *still* had questions on the RPM install (sorry I'm harping
  on it, but I've used it extensively,
 
 what the rpm?

Yes, Bruce Guenter's qmail+patches RPM.

 and I *love* it), you probably ought to
  have read the page from which you downloaded the RPM.
 
 there you go again accusing me of not reading .. believe me this list is a
 last resort!  Not only did I read the every doc I could find online I
 install with rpm -ivvh --test and read all that output.

Did you read the part about asking on the rpms mailing list about the qmail
RPMs? (That is, ask THAT list about the qmail RPMs, and NOT this one.)

 Ok you must mean the RPM   I dunno man.  After that pep talk are you going
 to try to sell me the latest version of MS Outlook?

Well, if you can't make it as a sysadmin, you can probably get work on the
comedy circuit...

  Bruce and the others on that list would quickly point you to this list if
  the problem were truly related to qmail, which it isn't.
 
 I don't quite understand that last bit ...

What, 

Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Nathan J. Mehl

In the immortal words of [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 I got all the way up to:
 Step 7.
 Read INSTALL.maildir
 
 Here's how to set up qmail to use maildir for your incoming mail:
 
% maildirmake $HOME/Maildir
% echo ./Maildir/  ~/.qmail
 
 [root@www qmail-1.03]# maildirmake $HOME/Maildir
 bash: maildirmake: command not found
 [root@www qmail-1.03]#
 
 Any legitimate suggestions?

Legitimate suggestion: put /var/qmail/bin in your $PATH, and then try again.

And before people start jumping all over him for _this_, please recall
that this is _exactly_ why several long-term list members have had
long-standing beefs with djb over his use of an installation path
which is not only nonstandard by which actively breaks standard unix
failsystem assumptions.

-n

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm getting laid tonight, so that takes precidence over the Newton, but I'll 
try and squeeze in some time for Nathan during the afterglow. (--Lamont Lucas)
http://www.blank.org/memory/



Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Nathan J. Mehl

In the immortal words of Michael T. Babcock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 
 Note: your posts are more noise, less signal, than any of the people you've
 flamed.  Most of my flames are done in private Email.  Start reading some of
 those Internet newbie sites again, and learn how to deal with people you
 don't like on mailing lists the recommended way -- in private.

This is basically what happens when people read the BOFH stories and
forget that the BOFH is a fictional character, created as a joke, and
that Simon, in real life, is a reasonably well-adjusted person who is
a professional on work hours and pleasant in public.

As one of the co-administrators of BOFHnet, I find the emergency of
such "BOFH-wannabees" pretty amusing.  They will be tolerated for
exactly as long as there is a labor shortage in this industry.  When
the hiring crunch ends, they will either learn to behave like
professionals, or they will learn to flip burgers.  Frankly, this
industry will win in either case.

-n

--[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  "Dude, don't say 'pigfucker' in front of Jesus!"
http://www.blank.org/memory/--



Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Russ Allbery

Frank Tegtmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I suggest that everyone who feels that linuxpeople is stupid should
 ignore him NOW.  Everyone who thinks there is any hope he will get his
 system up should support him by private mail NOW.

While in general I agree with the sentiment of your message, I intend to
keep helping people with qmail installation problems on the qmail mailing
list, as I think that's what it's for.  If Dan disagrees with me, it's his
list and he can tell me to stop, but other people not liking to deal with
people with a very beginning knowledge of Linux isn't sufficient reason
for me to stop helping them.

The first time I installed Red Hat, I too found it extremely unintuitive
that the package named glibc-devel is *not* for developing glibc, like it
sounds, but is instead needed if you intend to compile anything at all
ever.  I've since then gotten used to the -devel naming convention, but I
still find it somewhat odd and I'm happy to help someone else out who had
the same misunderstanding that I had and did the same thing that I did the
first time I installed Red Hat (namely not install that package and then
wonder where all my include files went).

-- 
Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/



Re: linuxpeople thread

2000-09-13 Thread Vincent Schonau

On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 03:22:17PM -0400, Peter Green wrote:

[...]

 Finally, if you *still* had questions on the RPM install (sorry I'm harping
 on it, but I've used it extensively,

 what the rpm?
 
 Yes, Bruce Guenter's qmail+patches RPM.

Note that the qmail RPM's that are linked to at the top of 
URL:http://www.qmail.org/top.html are in fact the "Memphis" RPMs.

Vince.



Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)

2000-09-13 Thread Eric Cox


"Robin S. Socha" wrote:
 
 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 04:32]:
  Hello I have documented each step up until they fail.
 
 Damn, you are *STUPID*. When someone tells you to post a *SHORT* and
 *PREGNANT* error message, why do you send  600 lines?
 
  /compile qmail-local.c
  qmail-local.c:1: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
  make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1
 
 /usr/src/linux/include/linux/types.h
 
 Which part of "did you install your kernel sources" from, like, a day
 ago, do I have to read out s-l-o-w-l-y to you again?
 http://www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/qmail/2000/09/msg00774.html


"Dave, I really think you ought to sit down, take a stress 
pill, and think this over." -- HAL9K


Eric