linuxpeople thread
Hello I have documented each step up until they fail. I just started fresh after rebooting and re-downloading the source. I am now stuck where I was previously and begging for help. I do not see what to do if the compile fails. I am not blaming qmail which is the general impression I get from this list. I am just trying to install it and see if I want to use it, and recommend it to other newbies. Unfortunately I am the smartest newbie I know, and I know a lot of newbies. [root@www local]# tar -zxvf qmail-1.03.tar.gz [root@www local]# cd /usr/local/qmail-1.03/ [root@www qmail-1.03]#ls BIN.Makefile BIN.README BLURB BLURB2 BLURB3 BLURB4 CHANGES FAQ FILES INSTALL INSTALL.alias INSTALL.ctl INSTALL.ids INSTALL.maildir INSTALL.mbox INSTALL.vsm INTERNALS Makefile PIC.local2alias PIC.local2ext PIC.local2local PIC.local2rem PIC.local2virt PIC.nullclient PIC.relaybad PIC.relaygood PIC.rem2local README REMOVE.binmail REMOVE.sendmail SECURITY SENDMAIL SYSDEPS TARGETS TEST.deliver TEST.receive THANKS THOUGHTS TODO UPGRADE VERSION addresses.5 alloc.3 alloc.c alloc.h alloc_re.c auto-gid.c auto-int.c auto-int8.c auto-str.c auto-uid.c auto_break.h auto_patrn.h auto_qmail.h auto_spawn.h auto_split.h auto_uids.h auto_usera.h binm1+df.sh binm1.sh binm2+df.sh binm2.sh binm3+df.sh binm3.sh bouncesaying.1 bouncesaying.c byte.h byte_chr.c byte_copy.c byte_cr.c byte_diff.c byte_rchr.c byte_zero.c case.3 case.h case_diffb.c case_diffs.c case_lowerb.c case_lowers.c case_starts.c cdb.3 cdb.h cdb_hash.c cdb_seek.c cdb_unpack.c cdbmake.h cdbmake_add.c cdbmake_hash.c cdbmake_pack.c cdbmss.c cdbmss.h chkshsgr.c chkspawn.c coe.3 coe.c coe.h commands.c commands.h condredirect.1 condredirect.c conf-break conf-cc conf-groups conf-ld conf-patrn conf-qmail conf-spawn conf-split conf-users config-fast.sh config.sh constmap.c constmap.h control.c control.h date822fmt.c date822fmt.h datemail.sh datetime.3 datetime.c datetime.h datetime_un.c direntry.3 direntry.h1 direntry.h2 dns.c dns.h dnscname.c dnsdoe.c dnsdoe.h dnsfq.c dnsip.c dnsmxip.c dnsptr.c dot-qmail.9 elq.sh env.3 env.c env.h envelopes.5 envread.c error.3 error.c error.h error_str.3 error_str.c error_temp.3 error_temp.c except.1 except.c exit.h extra.h fd.h fd_copy.3 fd_copy.c fd_move.3 fd_move.c fifo.c fifo.h fifo_make.3 find-systype.sh fmt.h fmt_str.c fmt_strn.c fmt_uint.c fmt_uint0.c fmt_ulong.c fmtqfn.c fmtqfn.h forgeries.7 fork.h1 fork.h2 forward.1 forward.c gen_alloc.h gen_allocdefs.h getln.3 getln.c getln.h getln2.3 getln2.c gfrom.c gfrom.h headerbody.c headerbody.h hfield.c hfield.h hier.c home+df.sh home.sh hostname.c idedit.c install-big.c install.c instcheck.c ip.c ip.h ipalloc.c ipalloc.h ipme.c ipme.h ipmeprint.c lock.h lock_ex.c lock_exnb.c lock_un.c maildir.5 maildir.c maildir.h maildir2mbox.1 maildir2mbox.c maildirmake.1 maildirmake.c maildirwatch.1 maildirwatch.c mailsubj.1 mailsubj.sh make-compile.sh make-load.sh make-makelib.sh mbox.5 myctime.c myctime.h ndelay.c ndelay.h ndelay_off.c newfield.c newfield.h now.3 now.c now.h open.h open_append.c open_excl.c open_read.c open_trunc.c open_write.c pinq.sh predate.c preline.1 preline.c prioq.c prioq.h proc+df.sh proc.sh prot.c prot.h qail.sh qbiff.1 qbiff.c qlx.h qmail-clean.8 qmail-clean.c qmail-command.8 qmail-control.9 qmail-getpw.9 qmail-getpw.c qmail-header.5 qmail-inject.8 qmail-inject.c qmail-limits.9 qmail-local.8 qmail-local.c qmail-log.5 qmail-lspawn.8 qmail-lspawn.c qmail-newmrh.9 qmail-newmrh.c qmail-newu.9 qmail-newu.c qmail-pop3d.8 qmail-pop3d.c qmail-popup.8 qmail-popup.c qmail-pw2u.9 qmail-pw2u.c qmail-qmqpc.8 qmail-qmqpc.c qmail-qmqpd.8 qmail-qmqpd.c qmail-qmtpd.8 qmail-qmtpd.c qmail-qread.8 qmail-qread.c qmail-qstat.8 qmail-qstat.sh qmail-queue.8 qmail-queue.c qmail-remote.8 qmail-remote.c qmail-rspawn.8 qmail-rspawn.c qmail-send.9 qmail-send.c qmail-showctl.8 qmail-showctl.c qmail-smtpd.8 qmail-smtpd.c qmail-start.9 qmail-start.c qmail-tcpok.8 qmail-tcpok.c qmail-tcpto.8 qmail-tcpto.c qmail-upq.sh qmail-users.9 qmail.7 qmail.c qmail.h qreceipt.1 qreceipt.c qsmhook.c qsutil.c qsutil.h quote.c quote.h rcpthosts.c rcpthosts.h readsubdir.c readsubdir.h readwrite.h received.c received.h remoteinfo.c remoteinfo.h scan.h scan_8long.c scan_ulong.c seek.h seek_cur.c seek_end.c seek_set.c seek_trunc.c select.h1 select.h2 sendmail.c sgetopt.3 sgetopt.c sgetopt.h sig.h sig_alarm.c sig_block.c sig_bug.c sig_catch.c sig_child.c sig_hup.c sig_misc.c sig_pause.c sig_pipe.c sig_term.c slurpclose.c slurpclose.h spawn.c splogger.8 splogger.c str.h str_chr.c str_cpy.c str_diff.c str_diffn.c str_len.c str_rchr.c str_start.c stralloc.3 stralloc.h stralloc_arts.c stralloc_cat.c stralloc_catb.c stralloc_cats.c stralloc_copy.c stralloc_eady.c stralloc_opyb.c stralloc_opys.c stralloc_pend.c strerr.h strerr_die.c strerr_sys.c subfd.h subfderr.c subfdin.c subfdins.c subfdout.c subfdouts.c subgetopt.3 subgetopt.c subgetopt.h substdi.c substdio.c substdio.h substdio_copy.c substdo.c tcp-env.1 tcp-env.c tcp-environ.5 tcpto.c
Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 04:32]: Hello I have documented each step up until they fail. Damn, you are *STUPID*. When someone tells you to post a *SHORT* and *PREGNANT* error message, why do you send 600 lines? /compile qmail-local.c qmail-local.c:1: sys/types.h: No such file or directory make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1 /usr/src/linux/include/linux/types.h Which part of "did you install your kernel sources" from, like, a day ago, do I have to read out s-l-o-w-l-y to you again? http://www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/qmail/2000/09/msg00774.html
Re: linuxpeople thread
Please don't post hundreds of lines of directory listings of the qmail source. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: /compile qmail-local.c qmail-local.c:1: sys/types.h: No such file or directory qmail-local.c:2: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory There's something seriously wrong with your system include files; both of those files should be in /usr/include. This is *not* a problem with your kernel sources as another person said (if it were, sys/types.h would be found and linux/types.h would be missing); it's a problem at an even earlier level than that. Your system's development environment is either corrupted or only partially installed at a very fundamental level. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/
Re: linuxpeople thread
On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 01:32:16AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: qmail-local.c:1: sys/types.h: No such file or directory qmail-local.c:2: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/stat.h (types.h) is missing. This is an developement environment installation problem. You are possibly missing some -dev or kernel-source packages. /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/types.h i suspect the C compiler doesn't look there by default. You _may_ get away by adding "-I/usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/" to conf-cc, so that it looks like: cc -O2 -I/usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/ that may help to compile the sources. You possibly *need* to to add -L/usr/i386-glibc21-linux/lib/ to conf-ld, too. reveals that these files are indeed on the drive someplace. yeah, but not where your compiler expects them. Ok thats when I tried installing the RPMS from the link at http://www.qmail.org/top.html and joined this mailing list and got verbally and mentally abused by the entire world for being "so fscking like the GNU generation" or some such nonsense. No. I call that SuSE generation :-) impression I get from this list. I am just trying to install it and see if I want to use it, and recommend it to other newbies. Unfortunately I am the smartest newbie I know, and I know a lot of newbies. Mail server installation is not exactly newbie stuff, but qmail may also be installed by newbies on linuxmachines if the machines are installed properly. Your's isn't, sorry. Regards, Uwe
RE: linuxpeople thread
... qmail-local.c:1: sys/types.h: No such file or directory qmail-local.c:2: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1 [root@www qmail-1.03]# DARN!!! however, [root@www qmail-1.03]# locate types.h /usr/include/security/_pam_types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/kmap_types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/posix_types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/ioctl-types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/pthreadtypes.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/inttypes.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/posix_types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/qnxtypes.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/sunrpc/types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/nl_types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/rpc/types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/bitypes.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/types.h [root@www qmail-1.03]# and [root@www qmail-1.03]# locate stat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/stat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/stat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/ustat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/kernel_stat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/stat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/rpcsvc/rstat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/stat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/ustat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/ustat.h [root@www qmail-1.03]# reveals that these files are indeed on the drive someplace. I get this: bash$ locate sys/types.h /usr/include/sys/types.h /usr/lib/bcc/include/sys/types.h /usr/i386-glibc20-linux/include/sys/types.h bash$ locate sys/stat.h /usr/include/sys/stat.h /usr/lib/bcc/include/sys/stat.h /usr/i386-glibc20-linux/include/sys/stat.h bash$ I reckon you've got a duff linux install. If /usr/include does not exist, try $ ln -s /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include /usr/include if /usr/include does but /usr/include/sys doesn't, try $ ln -s /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys /usr/include/sys if _that_ exists too, try $ cp /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/stat.h /usr/include/sys/ $ cp /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/types.h /usr/include/sys/ This is what I'd do to get going and try qmail out, but I'd try to get to the bottom of why you don't have /usr/include/sys/types.h in the first place. What linux distribution are you using? got verbally and mentally abused by the entire world for being "so fscking like the GNU generation" or some such nonsense. Relax about that; the majority of folks on this list don't hold that poster's opinion, or if they do, they're a bit more patient...
Re: linuxpeople thread
Ok everyone sorry about the posting of hundreds of lines of source code I felt that it was needed and apparently you don't. I was just being thorough. I promise its not intended to upset anyone. I swear! Also keepin mind this is the real world and I own a 486 with 8 megs of ram and a small hard drive. I did not install a compiler except to accommodate qmail on this machine. I compiled the 2.2.16 kernel on a fast machine and moved it to the 486 which is the proposed mail server. I suppose I could do the same with the qmail program but as you can tell I am not adept at this sort of thing. SO I suppose I "need" to install the kernel sources even though the files are on my drive? Why? If they are there why not move them or link them somehow? After all it seems that I am limited to the actual steps in the INSTALL docs. lesss I lose this last line of tech support. I don't want to get creative and start "doing it my way" now do I? Or you guys will just yell at me again! I can re-install the entire machine with red hat 6.0 then upgrade every package again, but I don't see the need its a fresh 112 meg install with the various applications upgraded as needed to meet security issues that have arisen as of late. I do not want to re-install the entire machine but can. I can install the kernel source and headers if needed but I am low on space. Suggestions on what to do? (I am reading the nice replys and trying them first thanks guys) - Original Message - From: "Russ Allbery" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:11 AM Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread Please don't post hundreds of lines of directory listings of the qmail source. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: /compile qmail-local.c qmail-local.c:1: sys/types.h: No such file or directory qmail-local.c:2: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory There's something seriously wrong with your system include files; both of those files should be in /usr/include. This is *not* a problem with your kernel sources as another person said (if it were, sys/types.h would be found and linux/types.h would be missing); it's a problem at an even earlier level than that. Your system's development environment is either corrupted or only partially installed at a very fundamental level. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/
Re: linuxpeople thread
linuxpeople [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can re-install the entire machine with red hat 6.0 then upgrade every package again, but I don't see the need its a fresh 112 meg install with the various applications upgraded as needed to meet security issues that have arisen as of late. My Linux box says that /usr/include/sys/types.h is part of glibc-devel. Do you have that package installed? -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/
Re: linuxpeople thread
Am I replying correctly or are these screwing up the "threads" again? I am using outlook express and will continue to do so throughout this ordeal so if its ruining the "web page" posting please tell me now so I can do it correctly. I hit "reply all" to respond to these is that correct? **Also, please scroll down for the comments to this post, they actually worked now I have a new error. - Original Message - From: "Steve Carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Qmail mailing list (E-mail)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:08 AM Subject: RE: linuxpeople thread ... qmail-local.c:1: sys/types.h: No such file or directory qmail-local.c:2: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1 [root@www qmail-1.03]# DARN!!! however, [root@www qmail-1.03]# locate types.h /usr/include/security/_pam_types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/kmap_types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/posix_types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/ioctl-types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/pthreadtypes.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/inttypes.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/posix_types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/qnxtypes.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/sunrpc/types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/nl_types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/rpc/types.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/bitypes.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/types.h [root@www qmail-1.03]# and [root@www qmail-1.03]# locate stat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/asm/stat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/stat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/bits/ustat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/kernel_stat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/linux/stat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/rpcsvc/rstat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/stat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/ustat.h /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/ustat.h [root@www qmail-1.03]# reveals that these files are indeed on the drive someplace. I get this: bash$ locate sys/types.h /usr/include/sys/types.h /usr/lib/bcc/include/sys/types.h /usr/i386-glibc20-linux/include/sys/types.h bash$ locate sys/stat.h /usr/include/sys/stat.h /usr/lib/bcc/include/sys/stat.h /usr/i386-glibc20-linux/include/sys/stat.h bash$ I reckon you've got a duff linux install. If /usr/include does not exist, try a "duff" = messed up? Or something specific? $ ln -s /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include /usr/include if /usr/include does but /usr/include/sys doesn't, try $ ln -s /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys /usr/include/sys if _that_ exists too, try $ cp /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/stat.h /usr/include/sys/ $ cp /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/types.h /usr/include/sys/ Ok I think I am making progress [root@www qmail-1.03]# ln -s /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys /usr/include/sys [root@www qmail-1.03]# cp /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/types.h /usr/include/sys/ cp: `/usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/types.h' and `/usr/include/sys/types.h' are the same file [root@www qmail-1.03]# cp /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/stat.h /usr/include/sys/ cp: `/usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/sys/stat.h' and `/usr/include/sys/stat.h' are the same file [root@www qmail-1.03]# make setup check /compile qmail-local.c In file included from qmail-local.c:1: /usr/include/sys/types.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/types.h:30: bits/types.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/types.h:123: time.h: No such file or directory In file included from qmail-local.c:2: /usr/include/sys/stat.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/stat.h:28: bits/types.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/stat.h:89: bits/stat.h: No such file or directory make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1 That looks like progress to me ... This is what I'd do to get going and try qmail out, but I'd try to get to the bottom of why you don't have /usr/include/sys/types.h in the first place. Me too! What linux distribution are you using? Red Hat 6.0 with all www related security updates including a 2.2.16 kernel I compiled on another machine and transferred over. got verbally and mentally abused by the entire world for being "so fscking like the GNU generation" or some such nonsense. Relax about that; the majority of folks on this list don't hold that poster's opinion, or if they do, they're a bit more patient... Ok thanks : ) maybe I can sleep now
Re: linuxpeople thread
- Original Message - From: "Russ Allbery" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:14 AM Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread linuxpeople [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can re-install the entire machine with red hat 6.0 then upgrade every package again, but I don't see the need its a fresh 112 meg install with the various applications upgraded as needed to meet security issues that have arisen as of late. My Linux box says that /usr/include/sys/types.h is part of glibc-devel. Do you have that package installed? error: failed dependencies: kernel-headers is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 kernel-headers = 2.2.1 is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 Apparently not. I will install glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 and its deps right now if you think it will help. I have a feeling I will just be a lot lower on disk space after this. After all I have those .h files its looking for on the drive now. What I do not have is a need for a full fledged "development" installation. This is a 486 with 8 megs of ram on a 500 meg hard drive and the less compiling and un-needed installations I do the better. so at great distress I post these lines : [root@www qmail-1.03]# make setup check /compile qmail-local.c In file included from qmail-local.c:1: /usr/include/sys/types.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/types.h:30: bits/types.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/types.h:123: time.h: No such file or directory In file included from qmail-local.c:2: /usr/include/sys/stat.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/stat.h:28: bits/types.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/stat.h:89: bits/stat.h: No such file or directory make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1 I am sorry I included so many but I think you need them all. Ok those files are also on the hard drive. They are all in /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/ and I tried cp *.h /usr/include/sys Now they are all in there but "make setup check" still gives the same error. I got this far by trying what Steve Carter suggested earlier. He may have replied by now. I realize this is not a qmail problem, rather a small - install problem and do appreciate any help offered -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/
RE: linuxpeople thread
Unfortunately you can't. "lusers" like you and me are spoiling it for everyone. We should get new MUAs. ("mail clients") I am using outlook express and will continue to do so throughout this ordeal so if its ruining the "web page" posting please tell me now so I can do it correctly.
Re: linuxpeople thread
linuxpeople [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: error: failed dependencies: kernel-headers is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 kernel-headers = 2.2.1 is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 Apparently not. I will install glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 and its deps right now if you think it will help. Wouldn't it just be possible to: 1) do everything in the INSTALL on a ``faster'' development machine, 2) tar up the source tree with the binaries already built, 3) transfer it to the less-disk-endowed machine, 4) untar it, and 5) run make setup check? All of this without requiring a compiler on the lesser machine...doable? (For that matter, ``linuxpeople'', you should be able to build a binary RPM from the source RPM on the faster machine and use that binary to install on the lesser machine.) Obligatory support note: people on this list tend to get a little cranky. Why? Because this is NOT a Linux, Redhat, gcc, RPM, c. support list. You would note that the RPM stuff isn't standard by looking at http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html and noting that there is no mention of RPMs there. The FAQ located at that page mentions nothing about RPMs. If you are receiving compiler errors, the first thing to check is *your* *compiler*, NOT the application you are trying to compile. If you are uncertain as to how compilers work (even at a very rudimentary level, as is the extent of my knowledge), you should ask on a OS-specific mailing list what you're doing wrong. (You might even consider another line of work, or doing a whole lot of reading on computers before you continue. Trust me, this will save you headaches, even those given to you by ``rude'' people on mailing lists.) Finally, if you *still* had questions on the RPM install (sorry I'm harping on it, but I've used it extensively, and I *love* it), you probably ought to have read the page from which you downloaded the RPM. http://em.ca/~bruceg/qmail+patches/ ``If you have any comments or requests, please e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]'' ``A mailing list has been set up to discuss these RPMs. To subscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]'' Bruce and the others on that list would quickly point you to this list if the problem were truly related to qmail, which it isn't. /pg, who accepts Visa/Mastercard for long support posts. -- Peter Green : Gospel Communications Network, SysAdmin : [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "And the next time you consider complaining that running Lucid Emacs 19.05 via NFS from a remote Linux machine in Paraguay doesn't seem to get the background colors right, you'll know who to thank." (By Matt Welsh)
Re: linuxpeople thread
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Russ Allbery" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 4:37 AM Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread - Original Message - From: "Russ Allbery" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:14 AM Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread linuxpeople [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can re-install the entire machine with red hat 6.0 then upgrade every package again, but I don't see the need its a fresh 112 meg install with the various applications upgraded as needed to meet security issues that have arisen as of late. My Linux box says that /usr/include/sys/types.h is part of glibc-devel. Do you have that package installed? Thanks Russ Allbery, I installed glibc-devel and its deps, and watched it make the proper files and directories. I also lost 40 megs of disk space! There is no way I can use this on my normal 200 meg hard drive, 486 server installs .. its a shame. But its compiling! Judging by the speed of the first 10 lines I am should try and sleep while it finishes, but thats not going to happen. Thanks for taking the time to check that for me you basically solved the problem.now. I can go on to step 4 woo hooo! error: failed dependencies: kernel-headers is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 kernel-headers = 2.2.1 is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 Apparently not. I will install glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 and its deps right now if you think it will help. I have a feeling I will just be a lot lower on disk space after this. After all I have those .h files its looking for on the drive now. What I do not have is a need for a full fledged "development" installation. This is a 486 with 8 megs of ram on a 500 meg hard drive and the less compiling and un-needed installations I do the better. so at great distress I post these lines : [root@www qmail-1.03]# make setup check /compile qmail-local.c In file included from qmail-local.c:1: /usr/include/sys/types.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/types.h:30: bits/types.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/types.h:123: time.h: No such file or directory In file included from qmail-local.c:2: /usr/include/sys/stat.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/stat.h:28: bits/types.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/stat.h:89: bits/stat.h: No such file or directory make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1 I am sorry I included so many but I think you need them all. Ok those files are also on the hard drive. They are all in /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/ and I tried cp *.h /usr/include/sys Now they are all in there but "make setup check" still gives the same error. I got this far by trying what Steve Carter suggested earlier. He may have replied by now. I realize this is not a qmail problem, rather a small - install problem and do appreciate any help offered -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/
Re: linuxpeople thread
- Original Message - From: "Peter Green" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 5:13 AM Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread linuxpeople [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: error: failed dependencies: kernel-headers is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 kernel-headers = 2.2.1 is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 Apparently not. I will install glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 and its deps right now if you think it will help. Wouldn't it just be possible to: 1) do everything in the INSTALL on a ``faster'' development machine, 2) tar up the source tree with the binaries already built, 3) transfer it to the less-disk-endowed machine, 4) untar it, and 5) run make setup check? Obviously, I even suggested that. However, its not mentioned in the qmail docs as "acceptable" to do so. All of this without requiring a compiler on the lesser machine...doable? (For that matter, ``linuxpeople'', you should be able to build a binary RPM Is that a slam against the name "linuxpeople"? from the source RPM on the faster machine and use that binary to install on the lesser machine.) Why should I have to go through that bother? The qmail page provides a link to an RPM for red hat in the first paragraph. http://www.qmail.org/top.html SRC RPMS are as much of a hassle as compiling and moving qmail/ You know, nearly everyones response has been "you should have read this or that" well I am here to tell you I do read very well, and have read all available docs for 4 days. The docs can not possibly cover every situation, and did not cover mine! Reading is a lot easier then dealing with antosocial-newbie-haters that wish they were part of the l33t that run Internet but are stuck volunteering on a free software maill support list, so they pick on every obvious newbie that asks a question. Obligatory support note: people on this list tend to get a little cranky. Yeah right ... and some people are emotionally disturbed and should not be helping with this list at all. That guy from earlier needs extensive counseling for his problems. Thank god all I need is a faster machine with a newer distro and a line in my ipchains ipchains -A output -d kens.com -j REJECT Why? Because this is NOT a Linux, Redhat, gcc, RPM, c. support list. I never claimed it was, I initially asked questions about a running install of qmail that had errors. I was told to re-install from source (among other less-helpful suggestions) for the best effect, and that people might be able to help with the error I mentioned. It is already done compiling now. I sure as hell hope the docs cover runnig and maintaing qmail better than they do the installation. Like I said in this post you are replying to "I realize this is not a qmail problem, rather a small - install problem and do appreciate any help offered" Who needs to read more closely? You would note that the RPM stuff isn't standard by looking at http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html and noting that there is no mention of RPMs the link to the RPM is on the qmail page http://www.qmail.org/top.html so I suggest someone quit linking it or post a warning that you will be ridiculed and/or ignored by the qmail crew if you use it! there. The FAQ located at that page mentions nothing about RPMs. If you are receiving compiler errors, the first thing to check is *your* *compiler*, **obviously, as I have stated many times myself ...** NOT the application you are trying to compile. **How many times must I mention that I know that its not qmail ?** If you are uncertain as to how compilers work (even at a very rudimentary level, as is the extent of my knowledge), you should ask on a OS-specific mailing list what you're doing wrong. (You might even consider another line of work, or doing a whole lot of reading on computers before you continue. Trust me, this will save you headaches, even those given to you by ``rude'' people on mailing lists.) Geez you would no fun at a pep rally and please do not take work as an inspiration speaker! Finally, if you *still* had questions on the RPM install (sorry I'm harping on it, but I've used it extensively, what the rpm? and I *love* it), you probably ought to have read the page from which you downloaded the RPM. there you go again accusing me of not reading .. believe me this list is a last resort! Not only did I read the every doc I could find online I install with rpm -ivvh --test and read all that output. http://em.ca/~bruceg/qmail+patches/ ``If you have any comments or requests, please e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]'' ``A mailing list has been set up to discuss these RPMs. To subscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]'' Ok in my case the rpms did not make the "qmail-smtp" plain and simple, if you read back you will see the thread someplace in this mess. If you like I can duplicate this on another 486 when I am done with
Re: linuxpeople thread
- Original Message - From: "Chris Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 6:25 AM Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 06:01:26AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading is a lot easier then dealing with antosocial-newbie-haters that wish they were part of the l33t that run Internet but are stuck volunteering on a free software maill support list, so they pick on every obvious newbie that asks a question. "Stuck volunteering" is an oxymoron. You're one of the more annoying people who's posted on this list in a while. Most newbies manage to post their questions and get answers here without pissing everyone off. Yeah right ... and some people are emotionally disturbed and should not be helping with this list at all. That guy from earlier needs extensive counseling for his problems. Good luck getting any more help. You're on your own now. Now? Where have you been? As far as pissing people off that seems to be the main goal of the peole that have replied to my posts. I know all you guys are not like this, but most of you seem to be. Why waste the time? When a newbie comes to me for help I pay special attention to their needs and do not simply reply with "RTFM" or "man this" like most of the "help" out there. My question is this Chris, "Why did you even bother replying it has nothing to do with my problem with qmail? Thanks for nothing. I see its ok for that kens.net guy to call me names like "STUPID" and "luser" and even change the name of my thread to "linuxluser" all because he assmes I didn't read anything especially his reply ...which had not yet arrived when he flamed me. But I can't call him like I see him? That guy needs professional counseling and I sure hope he gets it. This support list is somewhat of a joke as I suspected it would be. The worst part is years from now when people come across the thread, he will still be attacking people and I will be helping them. Chris
Re: linuxpeople thread
I got all the way up to: Step 7. Read INSTALL.maildir Here's how to set up qmail to use maildir for your incoming mail: % maildirmake $HOME/Maildir % echo ./Maildir/ ~/.qmail [root@www qmail-1.03]# maildirmake $HOME/Maildir bash: maildirmake: command not found [root@www qmail-1.03]# Any legitimate suggestions? A NOTE for the kiddies in here .. Frankly, I would prefer if the emotionally insecure to just ignore my posts ok? The people that didn't make fun of me actually answered my questions. qmail is installed now. Coincidence? If you don't know the answer to my questions then please stfu about it and keep your opinion to yourself for once in your life. If you think you can belittle me and expect to me to sit back and take it forever then you have another thing coming! This is the last post including any notes of a personal nature. If you have a problem or want to call me names then email me directly.
RE: linuxpeople thread
try /var/qmail/bin/maildirmake $HOME/Maildir don't run it as root either, run it as a user, qmail does not run or deliver as root it will just screw up your maildir permissions. Have your read Life with qmail by Dave Sill? It seems to be the just the documentation you need, there is a link to it from the qmail.org site. -- Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:01 AM To: Steve Carter; Qmail mailing list (E-mail) Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread I got all the way up to: Step 7. Read INSTALL.maildir Here's how to set up qmail to use maildir for your incoming mail: % maildirmake $HOME/Maildir % echo ./Maildir/ ~/.qmail [root@www qmail-1.03]# maildirmake $HOME/Maildir bash: maildirmake: command not found [root@www qmail-1.03]# Any legitimate suggestions? A NOTE for the kiddies in here .. Frankly, I would prefer if the emotionally insecure to just ignore my posts ok? The people that didn't make fun of me actually answered my questions. qmail is installed now. Coincidence? If you don't know the answer to my questions then please stfu about it and keep your opinion to yourself for once in your life. If you think you can belittle me and expect to me to sit back and take it forever then you have another thing coming! This is the last post including any notes of a personal nature. If you have a problem or want to call me names then email me directly.
Re: linuxpeople thread
On Mit, 13 Sep 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got all the way up to: Step 7. Read INSTALL.maildir Here's how to set up qmail to use maildir for your incoming mail: % maildirmake $HOME/Maildir % echo ./Maildir/ ~/.qmail [root@www qmail-1.03]# maildirmake $HOME/Maildir bash: maildirmake: command not found [root@www qmail-1.03]# Any legitimate suggestions? Seems you haven't got /var/qmail/bin in your path. Try /var/qmail/bin/maildirmake $HOME/Maildir hih, -- Oliver Koch Systems Administrator Computational Mathematics Optimization Institute of Analysis Johannes Kepler University LinzAustria [EMAIL PROTECTED]Tel. +43 70 2469 9166
Re: linuxpeople thread
Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [root@www qmail-1.03]# maildirmake $HOME/Maildir bash: maildirmake: command not found [root@www qmail-1.03]# Any legitimate suggestions? /var/qmail/bin/maildirmake or PATH=$PATH:/var/qmail/bin maildirmake I prefer learning the basics of a UNIX environment first before trying to setup qmail. oec
Re: linuxpeople thread
% maildirmake $HOME/Maildir % echo ./Maildir/ ~/.qmail [root@www qmail-1.03]# maildirmake $HOME/Maildir bash: maildirmake: command not found [root@www qmail-1.03]# Any legitimate suggestions? It's not in your path, so specify the path to it jason
Re: linuxpeople thread
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 09:54]: "Chris Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're one of the more annoying people who's posted on this list in a while. Most newbies manage to post their questions and get answers here without pissing everyone off. [...] Good luck getting any more help. You're on your own now. Now? Where have you been? As far as pissing people off that seems to be the main goal of the peole that have replied to my posts. Doesn't that make you wonder why? This support list is ... not a support list: |qmail: For discussion of the qmail package, the qmailanalog package, the |dot-forward package, and the fastforward package. To subscribe, send an |empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is unmoderated |and high-volume. What you were looking for can be found here: http://cr.yp.to/qmail/faq/solutions.html The worst part is years from now when people come across the thread, he will still be attacking people and I will be helping them. Yeah, right: "Nameless idiot helps ML reader to death after being flamed by a Bastard." Film at 11. Anyone feel like buying popcorn shares?
Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)
"Robin S. Socha" wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 04:32]: Hello I have documented each step up until they fail. Damn, you are *STUPID*. When someone tells you to post a *SHORT* and *PREGNANT* error message, why do you send 600 lines? And HOT damn, you are rude! Got too much free time on your hands? Nice to see you are leading by example. People can do silly things, that doesn't mean you need mow them down. No class. -Stephen-
Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)
- Original Message - From: "Michael T. Babcock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Robin S. Socha" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread) Because every other time someone posts an error message, they get told to send ALL their logs. So now, someone does, and they're told they're an idiot for not reading your mind? Amen brother! - Original Message - From: "Robin S. Socha" [EMAIL PROTECTED] * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 04:32]: Hello I have documented each step up until they fail. Damn, you are *STUPID*. When someone tells you to post a *SHORT* and *PREGNANT* error message, why do you send 600 lines?
Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)
* Michael T. Babcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 11:13]: "Robin S. Socha" [EMAIL PROTECTED] * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 04:32]: [quoting readjusted] I have documented each step up until they fail. Damn, you are *STUPID*. When someone tells you to post a *SHORT* and *PREGNANT* error message, why do you send 600 lines? Because every other time someone posts an error message, they get told to send ALL their logs. So now, someone does, and they're told they're an idiot for not reading your mind? |[root@www local]# cd /usr/local/qmail-1.03/ |[root@www qmail-1.03]#ls [~500 lines nuked] You call that a log? Why don't you learn to use your MUA in a decent way instead of lamenting the fate of an unknown luser. Your pathetic whining sucks. -- Down, not across
Re: linuxpeople thread
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so at great distress I post these lines : [root@www qmail-1.03]# make setup check /compile qmail-local.c In file included from qmail-local.c:1: /usr/include/sys/types.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/types.h:30: bits/types.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/types.h:123: time.h: No such file or directory In file included from qmail-local.c:2: /usr/include/sys/stat.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/stat.h:28: bits/types.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/stat.h:89: bits/stat.h: No such file or directory make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1 I am sorry I included so many but I think you need them all. Ok those files are also on the hard drive. They are all in /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/ They're not the same files =( Are you really sure you want the misery of running a mail server on a 486 with only 8 Mb of RAM? -Stephen-
Re: linuxpeople thread
Yeah, right: "Nameless idiot helps ML reader to death after being flamed by a Bastard." Film at 11. Anyone feel like buying popcorn shares? I suggest that everyone who feels that linuxpeople is stupid should ignore him NOW. Everyone who thinks there is any hope he will get his system up should support him by private mail NOW. Hopefully it will kill this idiotic thread fast. Regards, Frank
Re: linuxpeople thread
Any legitimate suggestions? yeah several, but this is a qmail list not a general-unix-help list so figure it out yourself.
Re: linuxpeople thread
- Original Message - From: "Robin S. Socha" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now? Where have you been? As far as pissing people off that seems to be the main goal of the peole that have replied to my posts. Doesn't that make you wonder why? Yeah, right: "Nameless idiot helps ML reader to death after being flamed by a Bastard." Film at 11. Anyone feel like buying popcorn shares? You just have a bad attitude, plain and simple. And like I said in private before, you've come close to prosecutable offenses in some countries. Note: your posts are more noise, less signal, than any of the people you've flamed. Most of my flames are done in private Email. Start reading some of those Internet newbie sites again, and learn how to deal with people you don't like on mailing lists the recommended way -- in private. I think you just enjoy being heard (anyone want to search 'socha' in the mail archives?). Note: which part of "discussion of qmail" eliminates asking for help? Its not a specific help list, no. Its a _general_ list.
Re: linuxpeople thread
Thus spake Stephen Bosch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so at great distress I post these lines : [root@www qmail-1.03]# make setup check /compile qmail-local.c In file included from qmail-local.c:1: /usr/include/sys/types.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/types.h:30: bits/types.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/types.h:123: time.h: No such file or directory In file included from qmail-local.c:2: /usr/include/sys/stat.h:26: features.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/stat.h:28: bits/types.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/sys/stat.h:89: bits/stat.h: No such file or directory make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1 I am sorry I included so many but I think you need them all. Ok those files are also on the hard drive. They are all in /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include/ [to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]": (I just joined and didn't get the original posting)] Fix your fucking system. Oh, and learn how to cut and paste. The first line starts with "./compile", not "/compile". Alternatively, you might edit compile to include "-I/usr/i386-glibc21-linux/include", but then linking will probably fail. I will tell you how to fix that for my low, low rate of $ 1000 a minute. Additional fees may apply. Are you really sure you want the misery of running a mail server on a 486 with only 8 Mb of RAM? I once ran a mail server with server high volume mailing lists on a 386 with 4 Megs RAM. It lasted several months, before we replaced it to get higher response times from the web server that was also running on the box. Felix
Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)
Because every other time someone posts an error message, they get told to send ALL their logs. So now, someone does, and they're told they're an idiot for not reading your mind? - Original Message - From: "Robin S. Socha" [EMAIL PROTECTED] * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 04:32]: Hello I have documented each step up until they fail. Damn, you are *STUPID*. When someone tells you to post a *SHORT* and *PREGNANT* error message, why do you send 600 lines?
Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)
On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 11:15:43AM -0400, Michael T. Babcock wrote: Because every other time someone posts an error message, they get told to send ALL their logs. So now, someone does, and they're told they're an idiot for not reading your mind? This is boring, but to be correct, mostly people want the logs/details put up on a web site and have the URL posted to the list. Regards. - Original Message - From: "Robin S. Socha" [EMAIL PROTECTED] * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 04:32]: Hello I have documented each step up until they fail. Damn, you are *STUPID*. When someone tells you to post a *SHORT* and *PREGNANT* error message, why do you send 600 lines?
Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)
How do you manage to get back to MUAs in most messages you write? How exactly am I mis-using my MUA? Hmmm? I'm not misusing my MUA. I didn't complain about how messages looked, yours, mine or others'. You're the one who's been whining. That can be verified by the archives if you have some problem with your memory. You whine CONSTANTLY about peoples' MUAs. Don't tell us to change, follow your own advice and shut-up. - Original Message - From: "Robin S. Socha" [EMAIL PROTECTED] You call that a log? Why don't you learn to use your MUA in a decent way instead of lamenting the fate of an unknown luser. Your pathetic whining sucks.
Re: linuxpeople thread
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 13 September 2000 at 04:37:19 -0700 - Original Message - From: "Russ Allbery" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:14 AM Subject: Re: linuxpeople thread linuxpeople [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can re-install the entire machine with red hat 6.0 then upgrade every package again, but I don't see the need its a fresh 112 meg install with the various applications upgraded as needed to meet security issues that have arisen as of late. My Linux box says that /usr/include/sys/types.h is part of glibc-devel. Do you have that package installed? error: failed dependencies: kernel-headers is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 kernel-headers = 2.2.1 is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 Apparently not. I will install glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 and its deps right now if you think it will help. Yes, it will. The "devel" variant of glibc is needed if you intend to compile software, essentially any software, on your system. Which is exactly what you're trying to do. (I'm running Redhat 6.2, with qmail build from the source tarball.) I have a feeling I will just be a lot lower on disk space after this. After all I have those .h files its looking for on the drive now. What I do not have is a need for a full fledged "development" installation. This is a 486 with 8 megs of ram on a 500 meg hard drive and the less compiling and un-needed installations I do the better. Yep, that's going to be tight. Especially memory. I ran a 486/100 with 48 meg of ram for a while recently. But my first qmail install was on a 386/25 with 8 meg of ram, and that ran for years, doing mail and web too, at my friendly local ISP. So you should be able to make it work. -- Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon Bookworms: http://ouroboros.demesne.com/ SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linuxpeople thread
Peter Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 13 September 2000 at 08:13:23 -0400 linuxpeople [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: error: failed dependencies: kernel-headers is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 kernel-headers = 2.2.1 is needed by glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 Apparently not. I will install glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 and its deps right now if you think it will help. Wouldn't it just be possible to: 1) do everything in the INSTALL on a ``faster'' development machine, 2) tar up the source tree with the binaries already built, 3) transfer it to the less-disk-endowed machine, 4) untar it, and 5) run make setup check? Gotta make sure the UIDs and GIDs needed for qmail are the same on both machines. I *think* it'll work; unless there's something strange in the makefiles. The file dates within the qmail tree should be the same, so nothing *there* would trigger a recompile (Oh, and of course he has to have make installed, but he's got that already). It also assumes he *has* a faster and more capacious development system available. -- Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon Bookworms: http://ouroboros.demesne.com/ SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 13 September 2000 at 08:55:01 -0600 Are you really sure you want the misery of running a mail server on a 486 with only 8 Mb of RAM? I ran one on a 386 with 8 Mb of RAM that also ran web. Worked fine, except that kernel builds were a bit slow (this being back before loadable modules in Linux, so I really had to build custom kernels). I ran smail on it for a while, and then qmail quite early (might have been as old as 0.72, don't remember for sure). Obviously it won't handle very high email loads; but it works just fine for a light load. With lots of people having DSL and cable modems, it seems to me that there's probably a renaissance in making 486-based servers going on just now :-). I had one myself until recently -- my backup dns. Finally replaced with something way over-built for the job that became available (dual Pentium Pro, 192 meg ram). -- Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon Bookworms: http://ouroboros.demesne.com/ SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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also sprach linuxpeople: Wouldn't it just be possible to: 1) do everything in the INSTALL on a ``faster'' development machine, 2) tar up the source tree with the binaries already built, 3) transfer it to the less-disk-endowed machine, 4) untar it, and 5) run make setup check? Obviously, I even suggested that. Did you try it? To what effect? All of this without requiring a compiler on the lesser machine...doable? (For that matter, ``linuxpeople'', you should be able to build a binary RPM Is that a slam against the name "linuxpeople"? Not at all, you didn't provide a name, I wished to address you by your ``Christian'' name, so I used the only thing you did provide. Relax a little. from the source RPM on the faster machine and use that binary to install on the lesser machine.) Why should I have to go through that bother? Um, because your system wasn't working and you want it to work? ``I want to be a cool Linux dude, but I don't want to go through the bother of actually learning anything. What should I do?'' The qmail page provides a link to an RPM for red hat in the first paragraph. http://www.qmail.org/top.html SRC RPMS are as much of a hassle as compiling and moving qmail/ Get used to it. System administration is, in general, a hassle. You know, nearly everyones response has been "you should have read this or that" well I am here to tell you I do read very well, and have read all available docs for 4 days. The docs can not possibly cover every situation, and did not cover mine! Reading is a lot easier then dealing with antosocial-newbie-haters that wish they were part of the l33t that run Internet but are stuck volunteering on a free software maill support list, so they pick on every obvious newbie that asks a question. I, for one, did not pick on you in the least. And yet, you attack me, like the clueless luser you now show yourself to be. Lighten up, and try not to get so agitated over every little thing. Why? Because this is NOT a Linux, Redhat, gcc, RPM, c. support list. I never claimed it was, I initially asked questions about a running install of qmail that had errors. I was told to re-install from source (among other less-helpful suggestions) for the best effect, and that people might be able to help with the error I mentioned. It is already done compiling now. I sure as hell hope the docs cover runnig and maintaing qmail better than they do the installation. Interestingly, by following the docs, I have *never* *ever* had these problems that you are experiencing. While I am sorry to hear that you are having these problems, I would hardly fault the docs. Like I said in this post you are replying to "I realize this is not a qmail problem, rather a small - install problem and do appreciate any help offered" Who needs to read more closely? Like I can follow your incessant abuse and ranting...mostly, I skipped your posts because they were devoid of *useful* debugging information. NOT the application you are trying to compile. **How many times must I mention that I know that its not qmail ?** How many times must you post on the qmail list mentioning that you know that its not qmail? If you are uncertain as to how compilers work (even at a very rudimentary level, as is the extent of my knowledge), you should ask on a OS-specific mailing list what you're doing wrong. (You might even consider another line of work, or doing a whole lot of reading on computers before you continue. Trust me, this will save you headaches, even those given to you by ``rude'' people on mailing lists.) Geez you would no fun at a pep rally and please do not take work as an inspiration speaker! Ha. A comedian. I was just giving a little ``tough love'' advice that you need to invest a whole lot more personal time in understanding how your system works in general if you *ever* hope to be successful as a sysadmin. Finally, if you *still* had questions on the RPM install (sorry I'm harping on it, but I've used it extensively, what the rpm? Yes, Bruce Guenter's qmail+patches RPM. and I *love* it), you probably ought to have read the page from which you downloaded the RPM. there you go again accusing me of not reading .. believe me this list is a last resort! Not only did I read the every doc I could find online I install with rpm -ivvh --test and read all that output. Did you read the part about asking on the rpms mailing list about the qmail RPMs? (That is, ask THAT list about the qmail RPMs, and NOT this one.) Ok you must mean the RPM I dunno man. After that pep talk are you going to try to sell me the latest version of MS Outlook? Well, if you can't make it as a sysadmin, you can probably get work on the comedy circuit... Bruce and the others on that list would quickly point you to this list if the problem were truly related to qmail, which it isn't. I don't quite understand that last bit ... What,
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In the immortal words of [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I got all the way up to: Step 7. Read INSTALL.maildir Here's how to set up qmail to use maildir for your incoming mail: % maildirmake $HOME/Maildir % echo ./Maildir/ ~/.qmail [root@www qmail-1.03]# maildirmake $HOME/Maildir bash: maildirmake: command not found [root@www qmail-1.03]# Any legitimate suggestions? Legitimate suggestion: put /var/qmail/bin in your $PATH, and then try again. And before people start jumping all over him for _this_, please recall that this is _exactly_ why several long-term list members have had long-standing beefs with djb over his use of an installation path which is not only nonstandard by which actively breaks standard unix failsystem assumptions. -n [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm getting laid tonight, so that takes precidence over the Newton, but I'll try and squeeze in some time for Nathan during the afterglow. (--Lamont Lucas) http://www.blank.org/memory/
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In the immortal words of Michael T. Babcock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Note: your posts are more noise, less signal, than any of the people you've flamed. Most of my flames are done in private Email. Start reading some of those Internet newbie sites again, and learn how to deal with people you don't like on mailing lists the recommended way -- in private. This is basically what happens when people read the BOFH stories and forget that the BOFH is a fictional character, created as a joke, and that Simon, in real life, is a reasonably well-adjusted person who is a professional on work hours and pleasant in public. As one of the co-administrators of BOFHnet, I find the emergency of such "BOFH-wannabees" pretty amusing. They will be tolerated for exactly as long as there is a labor shortage in this industry. When the hiring crunch ends, they will either learn to behave like professionals, or they will learn to flip burgers. Frankly, this industry will win in either case. -n --[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Dude, don't say 'pigfucker' in front of Jesus!" http://www.blank.org/memory/--
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Frank Tegtmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suggest that everyone who feels that linuxpeople is stupid should ignore him NOW. Everyone who thinks there is any hope he will get his system up should support him by private mail NOW. While in general I agree with the sentiment of your message, I intend to keep helping people with qmail installation problems on the qmail mailing list, as I think that's what it's for. If Dan disagrees with me, it's his list and he can tell me to stop, but other people not liking to deal with people with a very beginning knowledge of Linux isn't sufficient reason for me to stop helping them. The first time I installed Red Hat, I too found it extremely unintuitive that the package named glibc-devel is *not* for developing glibc, like it sounds, but is instead needed if you intend to compile anything at all ever. I've since then gotten used to the -devel naming convention, but I still find it somewhat odd and I'm happy to help someone else out who had the same misunderstanding that I had and did the same thing that I did the first time I installed Red Hat (namely not install that package and then wonder where all my include files went). -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/
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On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 03:22:17PM -0400, Peter Green wrote: [...] Finally, if you *still* had questions on the RPM install (sorry I'm harping on it, but I've used it extensively, what the rpm? Yes, Bruce Guenter's qmail+patches RPM. Note that the qmail RPM's that are linked to at the top of URL:http://www.qmail.org/top.html are in fact the "Memphis" RPMs. Vince.
Re: Linuxluser thread (Was: linuxpeople thread)
"Robin S. Socha" wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000913 04:32]: Hello I have documented each step up until they fail. Damn, you are *STUPID*. When someone tells you to post a *SHORT* and *PREGNANT* error message, why do you send 600 lines? /compile qmail-local.c qmail-local.c:1: sys/types.h: No such file or directory make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 1 /usr/src/linux/include/linux/types.h Which part of "did you install your kernel sources" from, like, a day ago, do I have to read out s-l-o-w-l-y to you again? http://www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/qmail/2000/09/msg00774.html "Dave, I really think you ought to sit down, take a stress pill, and think this over." -- HAL9K Eric