[qmailtoaster] spambox and forwards

[Peter Peltonen]

I have built my toaster with --define 'spambox 1. Spam sent to an
account that has "Spam Detection?" enabled in qmailadmin is handled
correctly and moved to the Spam subfolder.
But it does not seem to work with forwards: Say I have email account
"peter" that has spam detection enabled, and then a forward named
"peter.peltonen" which mail is delivered to "peter" account. All spam
sent to "peter.peltonen" is delivered to INBOX and not moved to the
spam subfolder.

I tested this with the GTUBE test spam message you get with
spamassassin -D < /usr/share/doc/spamassassin-toaster-3.1.7/sample-spam.txt

Is there a way to fix this so that also forwarded email that is
recognised as spam will end up to the spambox?

Regards,
Peter Peltonen

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Switching from pop3 to IMAP and how to backup e.mails archives

[Massimiliano Fontana]

Igor Vukotic' ha scritto:
I run in mixed configuration win2k(Thunderbird, outlook2000), 
xp(Thunderbird), Apple (System mail) and everything works fine (just 
set ROOT path to the "INBOX") on IMAP expect Outlook2003.. only thing 
what i didnt solved is how to map dummy outlook to store sent mails on 
IMAP Sent folder. I'm not very MS familiar and if some know how to 
solve issue i will appreciated.


Ok...after 4 hours of trials I realized that outlook is not the best 
choice for handling an IMAP account...
1) In order to store sent e-mails on IMAP sent folder you have to create 
a rule that moves message where you want . In any case it also stores a 
copy of the sent message to its .pst file unless you force it not to do 
it through a parameter.
2) When you delete a message , there is no way to move it automatically 
on the Trash folder unless you do it manually . Outlook sets the message 
as deleted but in any case it appears on your screen unless you choose a 
specific option . The alternative is to select Purge option on the menu 
.This way you remove it forever.
Later I'm gonna explain al these things to my boss and let's see what 
happens.;-)
Maybe he'll finally decide to throw away outlook and switching to 
thunderbird ...
Igor , if you need more support for your issue , I'll be glad to help 
youjust ask if u need !

Thanks
Max

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Switching from pop3 to IMAP and how to backup e.mails archives

[Jake Vickers]

Eric "Shubes" wrote:

Massimiliano Fontana wrote:
  

Hi there !
I'm about to switch my 50 users-single domain from  pop3 to IMAP4 .
Now all desktops ( Xp os with Outlook 2003 ) have their .pst files on a
server shared folder . This solution works but now I'd prefer to have
all e-mails resident on server plus giving my users the option to
replicate their database on local client hard disk (local pst file).
Now the question is : how do I move all the e-mails from their pst files
to new IMAP folders?
In order to have a recoverable backup , is it enough to backup , let's
say , daily , /home/vpopmail ?
Many many thanks
Max
Italy



I don't know the answer to your question for sure, but I think that would do it.
  
Yes, your emails are saved on the server in 
/home/vpopmail/domains/yourdomain.com/youuser/Maildir in Maildir format. 
So backing that up will do fine if that's all you need.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] possible inclusion in toaster

[Jake Vickers]

Alexey Loukianov wrote:

Greetings, Dan.

31 января 2007 г., 21:54:03 you have wrote:

  
Hello guys.  



  

I've built a few toasters over the last year. I love the process, quick
and painless (at least till you need to modify spam settigns), anyway.
For the most part most people use a stock rpm based *nix and throw in
the toaster, which is what I do as well.  the only software I add is a
small program called denyhosts.  this thing is a real lifesaver.  Before
using it I was getting upwards of 4000 break in attempts through ssh.
now I'm down to a handful a day.  It's easy enough to install but maybe
you wanna think about including it?  I know this will be just 1 more
thing to support, but it seems my mail servers get hit much harder on
ssh then my other servers.  If not included maybe add it on the wiki, or
related product page. Just my 2 cents.  



Don't think that it's worth including in QT, as a can barely see the
relation between normal administration tasks for server (like
preventing intrusion) and the maintenance of qmail toaster codebase.

Hadn't you tried to place your mail servers behind firewall/router
box in DMZ, and to restrict connections to SSH only for internal
subnet? Also, as a general measure, it is always wise to use other
that standard 22 port for SSH, and to permit root plain text passord
logins over it.
  
It looks like it could be useful for some. Maybe it'll make it's way 
into QTP. For now, I'd suggest creating a wiki page though, if you don't 
mind.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Switching from pop3 to IMAP and how to backup e.mails archives

[Igor Vukotić]

On 2007.02.01, at 12:09, Massimiliano Fontana wrote:


Igor Vukotic' ha scritto:
I run in mixed configuration win2k(Thunderbird, outlook2000), xp 
(Thunderbird), Apple (System mail) and everything works fine (just  
set ROOT path to the "INBOX") on IMAP expect Outlook2003.. only  
thing what i didnt solved is how to map dummy outlook to store  
sent mails on IMAP Sent folder. I'm not very MS familiar and if  
some know how to solve issue i will appreciated.


Ok...after 4 hours of trials I realized that outlook is not the  
best choice for handling an IMAP account...
1) In order to store sent e-mails on IMAP sent folder you have to  
create a rule that moves message where you want . In any case it  
also stores a copy of the sent message to its .pst file unless you  
force it not to do it through a parameter.
2) When you delete a message , there is no way to move it  
automatically on the Trash folder unless you do it manually .  
Outlook sets the message as deleted but in any case it appears on  
your screen unless you choose a specific option . The alternative  
is to select Purge option on the menu .This way you remove it forever.
Later I'm gonna explain al these things to my boss and let's see  
what happens.;-)
Maybe he'll finally decide to throw away outlook and switching to  
thunderbird ...
Igor , if you need more support for your issue , I'll be glad to  
help youjust ask if u need !

Thanks
Max

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Thank's a lot, but it's nonsense, because old outlook 2000 works  
fine..but this is MS..

If i found some i will post here..



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[qmailtoaster] Auto Creation of Spam folders

[Ronnie Tartar]

When creating a user, is there anyway to automatically create the spam folder?

Thanks

RE: [qmailtoaster] SPF causing delivery failures

[Tim Mancour]

Ed,

The qmail/control/spfrules file can also be used to allow local receipt of
Email from your spam-filter machine. Just create the file with a single line
similar to "ip4:0.0.0.0" where 0.0.0.0 is replaced with the filter machine's
IP address. 

Regards,
Tim

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Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] SPF causing delivery failures

http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/SPF

On 1/31/07, Ed Morrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Everyone:
>
> I have a qmail toaster that sits behind a SPAM and virus filter.  All 
> incoming email is first routed through the filter before getting 
> handed off to the toaster.  Unfortunately the toaster is rejecting 
> some email due to SPF issues?  How do I stop this?  Is there a way to 
> disable SPF without re-installing toaster?  Or is there a way to keep 
> SPF running in this type of environment?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Auto Creation of Spam folders

[Peter Peltonen]

On 2/1/07, Ronnie Tartar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



When creating a user, is there anyway to automatically create the spam
folder?

Thanks


Spam subfolders are created by default when receiiving the first
message as detected spam, if you have rebuilt  the qmailadmin and
maildrop packages with spambox enabled:

rpmbuild --rebuild --with cnt40 --define 'spambox 1' \
qmailadmin-toaster-*.src.rpm

rpmbuild --rebuild --with cnt40 --define 'spambox 1' \
maildrop-toaster-*.src.rpm

Regards,
Peter

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Re: [qmailtoaster] SPF causing delivery failures

[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Tim Mancour wrote:
> Ed,
> 
> The qmail/control/spfrules file can also be used to allow local receipt of
> Email from your spam-filter machine. Just create the file with a single line
> similar to "ip4:0.0.0.0" where 0.0.0.0 is replaced with the filter machine's
> IP address. 
> 
> Regards,
> Tim
> 
Hey Tim,
Thanks for this tip.
The wiki documentation is a bit sketchy in this area, and I'd like to flush
it out a bit. I haven't found where the format of spfrules is documented. Do
you have an URL that explains the format of spfrules?
-- 
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Auto Creation of Spam folders

[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Peter Peltonen wrote:
> On 2/1/07, Ronnie Tartar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> When creating a user, is there anyway to automatically create the spam
>> folder?
>>
>> Thanks
> 
> Spam subfolders are created by default when receiiving the first
> message as detected spam, if you have rebuilt  the qmailadmin and
> maildrop packages with spambox enabled:
> 
> rpmbuild --rebuild --with cnt40 --define 'spambox 1' \
> qmailadmin-toaster-*.src.rpm
> 
> rpmbuild --rebuild --with cnt40 --define 'spambox 1' \
> maildrop-toaster-*.src.rpm
> 
> Regards,
> Peter
> 

FYI, the "--define 'spambox 1'" isn't needed for maildrop-toaster, only
qmailadmin-toaster.

-- 
-Eric 'shubes'

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Re: [qmailtoaster] received blank e-mail

[Bill Kwok]

Hi Opik,

If email is in RTF(Rich Text Format, which is a common Outlook email
format), the attachment will be encapsulcated in a "winmail.dat" file.  It
is a known problem that Outlook Express will ignore the file and it makes
the recipient feels that there's nothing inside the email.

If that's the case, your customer better change his email client to
Outlook.  Otherwise, the sender will have to send email in HTML / plain text
format.

Best regards,
Bill


On 2/1/07, opik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello all
I have a problem with one of my customer he said he got a blank e-mail
when receiving mail using outlook express. Do anyone experience same
problem like this? and how to handle problem like this? for the answer i
apreciate it.

Regards
Opik

note:
Qmailtoaster version 1.03-1.2.11
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Controlling SMTP access to mail server.

[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Erik Espinoza wrote:
> 
> I don't see how tcprules would fix Stephen's problem. He's basically
> ticked that spammers are hitting his "hidden" server directly. I say
> don't just hide it, firewall it.

I agree. Two different solutions to the same problem. Either reject it at
the firewall, or reject it with tcprules (using the deny option). Doing so
with iptables is (very) slightly more efficient. Easier to do with tcprules
though. Given the mission of this project, I think the later is preferable.

Besides which, I could be a lowly mail administrator in a large corporation
where I wouldn't have access to iptables, and the haughty network
administrator might not be inclined to change iptables for me.
Hypothetically of course. ;)
> 
> Show me one scenario where this would make sense? I can't think of one.

I want to set CHKUSER_RCPTLIMIT=15 for non-local submissions, and
CHKUSER_RCPTLIMIT=50 for local submissions and smtp.

-- 
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Controlling SMTP access to mail server.

[George Sweetnam]

Erik Espinoza wrote:

A BSD admin that can take qmailtoaster and make it run on BSD can
implmenet a firewall policy using ipf.


Sure ;-D. But you're not taking into account admin laziness.


ES, port 587 is all about SMTP-AUTH, meaning that tcprules shouldn't
really matter as it's all done through auth. Port 25 doesn't require
auth, therefore it would need independent control.

What possible scenario would we need to control port 587 independently
of port 25 and why?

This seems like unnecessary complication, with no pay off at all.


You know, that is the reason I'd like to see that files separated.

Submission service and SMTP service in fact serve for totally different 
purposes. One is used for MUA->MTA message submission, other is used for 
MTA-to-MTA message transfer. I can hardly see why should I use same 
tcprules for totally different services?


In ideal world I would enable things like SPF and simscan only on SMTP 
service, and domainkeys or dkim signing only on SUBMISSION service. And I 
would never-ever add IP ranges with RELAYCLIENT="" to the tcprules for 
SUBMISSION service as it will look like nonsence there - I always want my 
users to auth themselves to use SUBMISSION service.


That is why I use separate rulesets for SMTP and SUBMISSION.


I asked nearly the same thing a couple of weeks ago and was told we use one 
file.  Since I consider much of what we do as a "basic" package and in many 
cases a work in progress, I created a second tcpserver submission file for 
my toaster box.  Submission port usage is similar, but very different.  It 
even has different services for each (part of the reason i decided to 
separate them)... if I typo the file for the smtp service (port 25), 
tcp.smtp, it would take down my smtp service, but not my submission 
service... thus making it easier to tell where the problem is... we already 
separate the logs.


Not to mention I have totally different rules in each for handling things 
like rbl lookups and friendly ip's.  I know about putting firewall/spam 
filters in front too we have a barracuda as an mx filter for some of our 
domains (debian, non-toaster server) and it's ridiculous to have it go 
through the scans too.  Our debian box essentially allows the mailfilter ip 
through unmolested and uses ":deny" for the rest because the customers are 
pointed to the submission port already.


I used to setup port 26 for customers (before submission and didn't use smtp 
auth's port) to get around isp's blocking port 25 to send (for our hosted 
customers off-net).  I allow relaying for friendly ip's through submission, 
and others can auth and send without passing through spamscanning and rbl 
lookups.  For anything on port 25... tough... you get the works (either mx 
level filtering on another box or rbl's/spam/clamd on the local server).


George


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Re: [qmailtoaster] SRS with multi frontend smtp

[George Sweetnam]

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To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] SRS with multi frontend smtp



Actually
it is more :
incoming : internet -> scanners -> real box
if all scanners are down, internet -> real box (lowest mx priority)
outgoing  : realbox -> internet(on that setup, customers email arent 
scanned, we "trust" them in a way :) )


I just want to point out that by listing your "real box" as an mx and not 
having scanning on it you're going to get spammed hard.  I used to run a 
similar setup a couple of years ago and spammers love to go after lower 
priority mx servers (higher numbers) because they think it's less likely you 
have scanning on it.  Your "real server" is going to get targeted by the 
spammers and bypass the other ones.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] SRS with multi frontend smtp

[Philip Nix Guru]

Hi George
"real box" is of course scanning aswell
Just the frontend smtps are very powerfull machines to handle most of 
the scanning (we do get a lot of mails)
the machine hosting mailboxes isnt as powerful but of course scans any 
email not originating from the diff smtps


Thx for your concern though :)
Cheers
-Philip

George Sweetnam wrote:


- Original Message - From: "Philip Nix Guru" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] SRS with multi frontend smtp



Actually
it is more :
incoming : internet -> scanners -> real box
if all scanners are down, internet -> real box (lowest mx priority)
outgoing  : realbox -> internet(on that setup, customers email 
arent scanned, we "trust" them in a way :) )


I just want to point out that by listing your "real box" as an mx and 
not having scanning on it you're going to get spammed hard.  I used to 
run a similar setup a couple of years ago and spammers love to go 
after lower priority mx servers (higher numbers) because they think 
it's less likely you have scanning on it.  Your "real server" is going 
to get targeted by the spammers and bypass the other ones.


George.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] spamhaus - what do you think?

[George Sweetnam]

I just replaced the old sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org (zen blocks all the dynamic 
ones now ... I'd use sorbs if i wanted that) with cbl.abuseat.org which is 
what blocks most of them anyway.  I had sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org right after my 
cbl rbl list and found it blocked VERY few additional ip's... so I removed 
it completely.  Plus the response time on sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org is horrid at 
peak times.


George.

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From: "Jake Vickers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] spamhaus - what do you think?



Eric "Shubes" wrote:


There appear to be plenty of BLs out there already. I think we simply 
need

to find a way to manage (classify/rate/select) them.

Perhaps it'd be useful to set up any easy way for the toaster to use an
anti-rbl list (the capability's built in to rblsmtpd). Each admin could 
then

maintain their own anti-rbl list containing addresses they would like to
allow. Keeping it up2date would be a challenge though. This would 
probably

only work with an automated update sort of like dyndns. Just a thought.

I agree that there are already a lot of lists out there. The ones that I 
liked all have either gone away, had serious issues that caused them to be 
unusable, or changed their policies and made themselves unusable. I was 
mainly just venting my frustration. I'll look into a vote-type system to 
link on the wiki somewhere, where we can vote on the RBLs - when I get 
back this evening.
I see where the anti-rbl list could be beneficial, but most of my users 
are NOT computer people in any way, shape, or form. I have one group of 
users that I have told 32 times now (I resorted to keeping hash-marks on a 
sticky-tab every time they called me for this issue) that you cannot email 
400M TIFF pictures. They pay well, but they also serious tax my sanity. If 
I had to then have them give me their IP address or get ANY technical 
information out of them whatsoever (that includes who their ISP is - 
really!), it would become a debacle and the owner would force another of 
his "sit-down" meetings that are a waste of time. In my situation they 
definetly would not work.
But I did see a user on the list a few months back that was using 
white-lists. From the little I remember he just put the whitelist first in 
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[qmailtoaster] RBLTIMEOUT

[Buzzz]

Hi

is the env vars RBLTIMEOUT skipped when RELAYCLIENT is set ?
Are some docs about rbl on the wiki ?


thx,

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Re: [qmailtoaster] spamhaus - what do you think?

[Sergey Menshikov]

I use http://www.robtex.com/rbls.html to figure out which RBLs handle 
the spam that gets through.
The search is manual, though, I wonder if it could be automated to 
maintain some rating :)


Also, I wonder if there is an easy way to weed out messages in user 
inboxes waiting to be read, as often the spam sender gets blacklisted 
only hours later?


Best regards
Sergey

George Sweetnam wrote:
I just replaced the old sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org (zen blocks all the 
dynamic ones now ... I'd use sorbs if i wanted that) with 
cbl.abuseat.org which is what blocks most of them anyway.  I had 
sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org right after my cbl rbl list and found it blocked 
VERY few additional ip's... so I removed it completely.  Plus the 
response time on sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org is horrid at peak times.


George.

- Original Message - From: "Jake Vickers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] spamhaus - what do you think?



Eric "Shubes" wrote:


There appear to be plenty of BLs out there already. I think we 
simply need

to find a way to manage (classify/rate/select) them.

Perhaps it'd be useful to set up any easy way for the toaster to use an
anti-rbl list (the capability's built in to rblsmtpd). Each admin 
could then
maintain their own anti-rbl list containing addresses they would 
like to
allow. Keeping it up2date would be a challenge though. This would 
probably

only work with an automated update sort of like dyndns. Just a thought.

I agree that there are already a lot of lists out there. The ones 
that I liked all have either gone away, had serious issues that 
caused them to be unusable, or changed their policies and made 
themselves unusable. I was mainly just venting my frustration. I'll 
look into a vote-type system to link on the wiki somewhere, where we 
can vote on the RBLs - when I get back this evening.
I see where the anti-rbl list could be beneficial, but most of my 
users are NOT computer people in any way, shape, or form. I have one 
group of users that I have told 32 times now (I resorted to keeping 
hash-marks on a sticky-tab every time they called me for this issue) 
that you cannot email 400M TIFF pictures. They pay well, but they 
also serious tax my sanity. If I had to then have them give me their 
IP address or get ANY technical information out of them whatsoever 
(that includes who their ISP is - really!), it would become a debacle 
and the owner would force another of his "sit-down" meetings that are 
a waste of time. In my situation they definetly would not work.
But I did see a user on the list a few months back that was using 
white-lists. From the little I remember he just put the whitelist 
first in his blacklists file.






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Re: [qmailtoaster] RBLTIMEOUT

[Jean-Paul van de Plasse]

What exactly are you asking?
Why would it be skipped if relayclient is set or what are you trying to 
accomplish.


There are some docs but not about RBLTIMEOUT.
RBLTIMEOUT is just a timer that limits to total seconds of runtime for 
rblsmtpd
No matter what the result it will just handover to qmail-smtpd after the 
timeout.


JP

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Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:33 PM
Subject: [qmailtoaster] RBLTIMEOUT



Hi

is the env vars RBLTIMEOUT skipped when RELAYCLIENT is set ?
Are some docs about rbl on the wiki ?


thx,

Davide



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Re: [qmailtoaster] RBLTIMEOUT

[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Buzzz wrote:
> Hi
> 
> is the env vars RBLTIMEOUT skipped when RELAYCLIENT is set ?

No. rblsmtpd (which uses RBLTIMEOUT) is run before handing the session over
to qmail-smtpd (which uses RELAYCLIENT).

If you want to disable rblsmtpd (when using RELAYCLIENT), you can set
RBLSMTPD="". See man rblsmtpd and wiki for more info.

> Are some docs about rbl on the wiki ?

http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/RBLs

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-Eric 'shubes'

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Auto Creation of Spam folders

[Peter Peltonen]

On 2/1/07, Eric Shubes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

FYI, the "--define 'spambox 1'" isn't needed for maildrop-toaster, only
qmailadmin-toaster.


That was copied from the FAQ (wiki). I've now updated the section:

http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/FAQs#I_upgraded_my_QmailToaster_to_the_latest_and_I_no_longer_have_the_.22Spam_Detection.22_box_in_Qmailadmin.

and added this note:

"NOTE: With newer versions of maildrop (at least with 2.0.3-1.3.4 and
newer) only qmailadmin has to be rebuilt with --define 'spambox 1'."

Cheers,
Peter

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Controlling SMTP access to mail server.

[Peter Peltonen]

Hi,

On 2/1/07, George Sweetnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I used to setup port 26 for customers (before submission and didn't use smtp
auth's port) to get around isp's blocking port 25 to send (for our hosted
customers off-net).  I allow relaying for friendly ip's through submission,


I still use this method: I run another smtp at port 2525 for authentication.

Is there any reason I should change to using the "submission port"?

Regards,
Peter

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Controlling SMTP access to mail server.

[Erik Espinoza]

Other than it's the standard, no.

Erik

On 2/1/07, Peter Peltonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

On 2/1/07, George Sweetnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I used to setup port 26 for customers (before submission and didn't use smtp
> auth's port) to get around isp's blocking port 25 to send (for our hosted
> customers off-net).  I allow relaying for friendly ip's through submission,

I still use this method: I run another smtp at port 2525 for authentication.

Is there any reason I should change to using the "submission port"?

Regards,
Peter

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[qmailtoaster] DEVEL PACKAGE: courier-authlib

[Erik Espinoza]

Greetings,

I have released an updated courier-authlib package on the devel site
(http://devel.qmailtoaster.com/).

Feel free to download and update. The current round of packages will
be moved from devel to stable later this week. I plan to add an
updated qmailadmin within the week.

Erik

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[qmailtoaster] DEVEL PACKAGE: clamav-toaster

[Erik Espinoza]

Greetings,

I have just released a newer devel version of the clamav-toaster
package. This is based on version 0.90rc3 and includes FixStaleSocket
set to yes by default. This should allow recovery after a loss of
power and a more efficient virus scanner than the old 0.88.x branch.

This is available from the devel site (http://devel.qmailtoaster.com/).

Thanks,
Erik

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