Re: Network Setup

[Ken Hajicek]

On Friday 20 December 2002 09:25 pm, you wrote:
> At 15:24 -0600 on 20/12/02, Ken Hajicek wrote:
> >> Lemme guess...existing network has autosensing 10/100 equipment on it?
> >>
> >> Asante cards are notorious for not working well with auto-negotiating
> >> equipment unless the switch/router is set to 10Base-T-only or a
> >> 10Base-T-ony hub is placed between the card and any autosensing
> >> equipment.
> >
> >Your right on about the auto-sensing, I'll try to find a 10Base-T hub.
>
> Or another brand of Ethernet card ;)



Just an update. I got the card working by using a 10BaseT card in a 
'translator' PC which is between the Performa and the switch. Only a 
temporary solution, but at least I know the card works.

Ken


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Re(3): 7.1pro Download Site?

[Dan Palka]

PowerTalk doesn't work that way.  You drag messages to the trash on the
desktop to delete them, and I Emptied Trash.

Never mind anyway I'll just stick with 7.5.5.

 -- From: Quadlist, Sat, Dec 21, 2002 -- 

Doesn't PowerTalk save the messages you delete in a trash mailbox, at least
until you quit the program?

There *are* list archives for that purpose, though - URL's down there in the
footer, as usual...


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Re(2): 7.1pro Download Site?

[the pickle]

At 00:34 -0600 on 21/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>I delted it i think.  But if its at info.apple.com i'll find it.

Doesn't PowerTalk save the messages you delete in a trash mailbox, at least
until you quit the program?

There *are* list archives for that purpose, though - URL's down there in the
footer, as usual...
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Re(2): 7.1pro Download Site?

[Dan Palka]

I delted it i think.  But if its at info.apple.com i'll find it.

 -- From: Quadlist, Sat, Dec 21, 2002 -- 

Try re-reading the message that Scott sent about an hour ago.


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Re: 7.1pro Download Site?

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At 00:31 -0600 on 21/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>I dont know where to get 7.1pro

Try re-reading the message that Scott sent about an hour ago.
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7.1pro Download Site?

[Dan Palka]

I dont know where to get 7.1pro


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Re(5): 7.5 Download Site?

[the pickle]

At 00:28 -0600 on 21/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>I use 7.1 all the time on my PowerBook 520 and IIsi, and I did use it for a
>slight while on my Q800.
>
>In fact, if you say I can use everything I use now with 7.1, I'd be first in
>line to downgrade.

Stick 7.1 Pro on there and let us know how it works out.  I'm curious, but I
don't have the time right now as I'm out of town tomorrow for a couple of
weeks.  7.1 standard won't work with it, but 7.1 Pro should work with PowerTalk
just fine, assuming Scott is right (which he usually is), and I think all the
usual 7.1 extras (there's a link in the FAQ) work fine on 7.1 Pro.
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Re(5): 7.5 Download Site?

[Dan Palka]

I use 7.1 all the time on my PowerBook 520 and IIsi, and I did use it for a
slight while on my Q800.

In fact, if you say I can use everything I use now with 7.1, I'd be first in
line to downgrade.

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Compare it to 7.1 and see if you're still singing the same tune after a week.

I can *guarantee* you'll never go back to 7.5.x once you've used 7.1 with the
extras to make it more 7.5-like, minus the RAM hogging and crash problems.


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Re(4): 7.5 Download Site?

[the pickle]

At 00:24 -0600 on 21/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>I disagree.  My system runs both very quickly and nicely.
>
>7.5.3 crashed a bit, but 7.5.5 runs just fine for me.

Compare it to 7.1 and see if you're still singing the same tune after a week.

I can *guarantee* you'll never go back to 7.5.x once you've used 7.1 with the
extras to make it more 7.5-like, minus the RAM hogging and crash problems.
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Re(4): 7.5 Download Site?

[Dan Palka]

I disagree.  My system runs both very quickly and nicely.

7.5.3 crashed a bit, but 7.5.5 runs just fine for me.

And as I stated before, PowerTalk is most useful for the older, non PowerPC
macs.

 -- From: Quadlist, Sat, Dec 21, 2002 -- 

Can I run PowerTalk on an OS that isn't bug-ridden, crash-prone, horrifically
slow on PPCs due to the complete lack of PPC code, and horrifically slow on
68Ks due to the bloat?

Note that 7.5 is all of the above.


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Re: 7.5 Download Site?

[Dan Palka]

Fine.  PowerTalk is not for you.

I stated several times PowerTalk does not have tons of features.  So if you
really need all of those, then I guess you shouldn't use PowerTalk.

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Maybe you should stop flamebaiting people, Dan.


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Re: Re(2): 7.5 Download Site?

[the pickle]

At 23:11 -0700 on 20/12/02, J Sand wrote:

>Please do not have us get into the misunderstood meanings again?

Aw, you wouldn't want our streak of two virgin posters in a row starting flame
wars to be broken, would you?
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Re: Re(2): 7.5 Download Site?

[J Sand]

>Why so sarcastic?  I must emphasize:  Gz...
>
>  -- From: Quadlist, Fri, Dec 20, 2002 --
>
>
>I suppose you've already looked in the obvious places, like, uh, Apple...?
>

I believe it was meant more as a joke and I took it as such. Being called 
"silly" is not the same as "stupid".  I saw the humor in pickle's response.

Please do not have us get into the misunderstood meanings again?

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Re(3): 7.5 Download Site?

[the pickle]

At 00:09 -0600 on 21/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>Maybe you should read the netiquette section of LEM, pickle.

Maybe you should stop flamebaiting people, Dan.

Oh yeah, and can PowerTalk embed/understand clickable URIs like the links in
the list footer?
How does it handle HTML mail (not that HTML has any business in e-mail but
Claris Emailer chokes to death on it)?
How about multiple signature files?
And finally...

Can I run PowerTalk on an OS that isn't bug-ridden, crash-prone, horrifically
slow on PPCs due to the complete lack of PPC code, and horrifically slow on
68Ks due to the bloat?

Note that 7.5 is all of the above.

Note also that 7.5 is the only OS besides 7.1 Pro that PowerTalk runs on.
Never used 7.1 Pro but I suspect it's quite similar to 7.1 itself, and might be
worth playing with.
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Re(3): 7.5 Download Site?

[Dan Palka]

Maybe you should read the netiquette section of LEM, pickle.

;)

 -- From: Quadlist, Sat, Dec 21, 2002 -- 

There's a reason the list footer reads as follows:

>The FAQ:


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Re(2): 7.5 Download Site?

[the pickle]

At 00:02 -0600 on 21/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>Why so sarcastic?  I must emphasize:  Gz...

There's a reason the list footer reads as follows:

>The FAQ:


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Re(2): 7.5 Download Site?

[Dan Palka]

Why so sarcastic?  I must emphasize:  Gz...

 -- From: Quadlist, Fri, Dec 20, 2002 -- 


I suppose you've already looked in the obvious places, like, uh, Apple...?



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Re(2): 7.5 Download Site?

[Dan Palka]

I sent you a private email with all the links straight to apple's system 7.5
section.

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>Thanks, what site would I have to go to to download 7.5 OS?


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Re: 7.5 Download Site?

[J Sand]

>
>At 09:36 PM 12/20/2002, J Sand typed thusly:
>
>
> >Thanks, what site would I have to go to to download 7.5 OS?
>
>It's on Apple's "older software downloads" page.  7.5.3 and 7.5.5, IIRC.
>

Thanks for the info, and I didn't even know I could type "thusly".
Makes me wonder about the person who wrote that program. - LOL

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Re: 7.5 Download Site?

[the pickle]

At 22:36 -0700 on 20/12/02, J Sand wrote:

>Thanks, what site would I have to go to to download 7.5 OS?


I suppose you've already looked in the obvious places, like, uh, Apple...?

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Re: 7.5 Download Site?

[Frederick Silliman]

ftp://ftp.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/
http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html

These two links should get you what you need

Fred

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>Thanks, what site would I have to go to to download 7.5 OS?
>
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Re(5): Question the QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

Well most people I know don't use those things, but your answers are, in order
they were asked:

Yes.
Not Sure.
Not Sure.
There is no "Address Book".  Instead there are "Catalogs" which are sortof the
same thing but a litle different, a little more versatile.  I'm growing tired
of explaining PowerTalk however so if you want to find out more you have some
homework to do.
No.

 -- From: Quadlist, Fri, Dec 20, 2002 -- 

Most people I know have more than one e-mail account, which certainly doesn't
leave much room for something like PowerTalk...

Hey, can you filter mail into separate mailboxes with PowerTalk?

How 'bout setting up multiple reply-to addresses so that list mail can appear
to come from one address and personal mail from another?

How standard is the mailbox format, so if you ever move to another system
you'll be able to migrate easily?

Can you export/import your address book to other apps easily?

And most importantly:

Can PowerTalk turn off the damn multilevel reply thing so that it just sticks
in Re: no matter how many times it has seen the thread title before?


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Re: 7.5 Download Site?

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At 09:36 PM 12/20/2002, J Sand typed thusly:


>Thanks, what site would I have to go to to download 7.5 OS?

It's on Apple's "older software downloads" page.  7.5.3 and 7.5.5, IIRC.


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Re(4): Question the QuadDoubler

[the pickle]

Yeah, I meant PowerTalk.  Been digging up obscure translator info all night on
POP3 clients and PowerMail is another Mac mail client.

At 23:34 -0600 on 20/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>And where do you come up with these statistics of "most people"?  Most people

Most people I know have more than one e-mail account, which certainly doesn't
leave much room for something like PowerTalk...

Hey, can you filter mail into separate mailboxes with PowerTalk?

How 'bout setting up multiple reply-to addresses so that list mail can appear
to come from one address and personal mail from another?

How standard is the mailbox format, so if you ever move to another system
you'll be able to migrate easily?

Can you export/import your address book to other apps easily?

And most importantly:

Can PowerTalk turn off the damn multilevel reply thing so that it just sticks
in Re: no matter how many times it has seen the thread title before?
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Re(3): Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

exactly :)

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to each their own


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7.5 OS Questions

[J Sand]

> >My Centris 610 only has 7.1 OS on it, will I need to upgrade to at least
> >7.5.3 OS to use the features you mentioned for PowerTalk?
>
>Yeah, and I don't think it's included with the downloadable 7.5.3 either.  
>I
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pointing me in the right direction.

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7.5 Download Site?

[J Sand]

Thanks, what site would I have to go to to download 7.5 OS?

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Re(2): Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

[Scott Holder]

At 11:30 PM 12/20/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>I'm pretty sure you need at least 7.5.  I tried booting from a small system
>7.1 partition after I copied all the powertalk files there, but it wouldn't
>start up.  Afterwards I deleted 7.1.

It's included in the "System 7 Pro" which is System 7.1.1. Last I checked 
it was available at Gamba's site. In fact, it seems to be what makes 7 Pro 
"Pro".

I've never found it terribly useful personally, though to each their own :)

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Re(2): Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

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Well, your right about it being in the CD.  However if you download 7.5.3 from
info.apple, I know PowerTalk is floating around nearby as well.

 -- From: Quadlist, Fri, Dec 20, 2002 -- 

Yeah, and I don't think it's included with the downloadable 7.5.3 either.  I
think you have to install from a 7.5.x bundled CD or retail version.


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Re: Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

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At 22:25 -0700 on 20/12/02, J Sand wrote:

>My Centris 610 only has 7.1 OS on it, will I need to upgrade to at least
>7.5.3 OS to use the features you mentioned for PowerTalk?

Yeah, and I don't think it's included with the downloadable 7.5.3 either.  I
think you have to install from a 7.5.x bundled CD or retail version.
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Re(4): Question the QuadDoubler

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Geez...  I'll no longer try to convice you then.  And its called PowerTalk.

And where do you come up with these statistics of "most people"?  Most people
I know do only simple things:  Read mail.  Write mail.  Send Mail.  Reply to
Mail.  What super advanced features that "everybody" uses does Eudora have
over PowerTalk?

I prefer PowerTalk.   I don't need bells and whistles, and I'll gladly give
them up for superfast performance and simplicity.

And I know theres probably others on here who would also, especially on 040
macs.

 -- From: Quadlist, Fri, Dec 20, 2002 -- 

>However, I find that every feature I could possibly want is included in
>PowerTalk, so why have a separate application such as Eudora that just taxes
>system performance on older machines even further when you can just have the
>MacOS do everything for you?

Because Eudora *doesn't* tax the system performance on older Macs? :)  It's
about the most resource-efficient app I've *ever* seen.

Of course, it's not as fast as the Finder, but it's a lot more powerful than
PowerMail, too...

>What ever happened to the idea of simplicity?  Isn't that the foundation of
>the Macintosh?  I don't find Eudora a very simple or pleasant program for
that
>matter.
>
>Besides, PowerTalk is Apple.  Eudora isn't.

You know, if Apple wrote an e-mail program that was worth a damn, I'd use it,
but they don't, and for most people, something like PowerMail is entirely
insufficient.  It was never designed to handle Internet mail the way most
people use mail on the 'Net.


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Re(2): Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

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I'm pretty sure you need at least 7.5.  I tried booting from a small system
7.1 partition after I copied all the powertalk files there, but it wouldn't
start up.  Afterwards I deleted 7.1.

Hats off to you for using 7.1 however!  If I could do all the stuff I can do
with 7.5.5 with 7.1, I would be using 7.1!  I highly recommend you upgrade to
7.5.5 though, since 1: its free and 2: it really doesnt impact performance.

I have a Centris 610 as well, sad though the hard drive died.

 -- From: Quadlist, Fri, Dec 20, 2002 -- 

My Centris 610 only has 7.1 OS on it, will I need to upgrade to at least 
7.5.3 OS to use the features you mentioned for PowerTalk?

Thanks,

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Re(3): Question the QuadDoubler

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At 23:22 -0600 on 20/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>However, I find that every feature I could possibly want is included in
>PowerTalk, so why have a separate application such as Eudora that just taxes
>system performance on older machines even further when you can just have the
>MacOS do everything for you?

Because Eudora *doesn't* tax the system performance on older Macs? :)  It's
about the most resource-efficient app I've *ever* seen.

Of course, it's not as fast as the Finder, but it's a lot more powerful than
PowerMail, too...

>What ever happened to the idea of simplicity?  Isn't that the foundation of
>the Macintosh?  I don't find Eudora a very simple or pleasant program for that
>matter.
>
>Besides, PowerTalk is Apple.  Eudora isn't.

You know, if Apple wrote an e-mail program that was worth a damn, I'd use it,
but they don't, and for most people, something like PowerMail is entirely
insufficient.  It was never designed to handle Internet mail the way most
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Re: Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

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My Centris 610 only has 7.1 OS on it, will I need to upgrade to at least 
7.5.3 OS to use the features you mentioned for PowerTalk?

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Re(3): Question the QuadDoubler

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Well its not going to be if you have multiple accounts.

However, I find that every feature I could possibly want is included in
PowerTalk, so why have a separate application such as Eudora that just taxes
system performance on older machines even further when you can just have the
MacOS do everything for you?

What ever happened to the idea of simplicity?  Isn't that the foundation of
the Macintosh?  I don't find Eudora a very simple or pleasant program for that
matter.

Besides, PowerTalk is Apple.  Eudora isn't.

 -- From: Quadlist, Fri, Dec 20, 2002 -- 

However, you're gonna have a *very* hard time convincing me that PowerTalk is
any better for people with only one e-mail account than Eudora Light, let
alone
people with multiple accounts.


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Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

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At 22:56 -0600 on 20/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>Its also weird figuring out how to set it up, and your only allowed one POP
>account, (or any TCP/IP based account for that matter).  PowerTalk (from what

Which is a huge problem for most people...

>I can see) was not originally designed for IP based Email, but rather it was
>more of an instant mailing program between Macs over apple talk.  Apple just

It was designed to compete with stuff like Lotus Notes and Novell (?) GroupWise
and that sort of thing - it was primarily an intranet mail system.

However, you're gonna have a *very* hard time convincing me that PowerTalk is
any better for people with only one e-mail account than Eudora Light, let alone
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Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

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I noticed a disturbing trend of Mac Heads not even knowing what PowerTalk was
when I first started using it.  I'm attributing it to the fact that PowerTalk
might be rather confusing, for the very fact that it makes me love it.  There
just is NO application.  All the email, contacts, inbox and outbox is handled
by the finder.  You only need to start another application called AppleMail
when you want to read the contents of an email message.

Its also weird figuring out how to set it up, and your only allowed one POP
account, (or any TCP/IP based account for that matter).  PowerTalk (from what
I can see) was not originally designed for IP based Email, but rather it was
more of an instant mailing program between Macs over apple talk.  Apple just
included a separate PowerTalk extension which you have to dig for in the
System 7.5.3 CD and install separately that allows you to have access to one
Ineternet Email account.

Anyway, I only have one internet email account, and once I figured out how to
get PowerTalk working properly, I found it to be a very very useful email
client, especially for my older Quadra 800, becaue its built into the finder
and therefor runs very fast and doesn't tax the system like at all.  I
certainly can't feel a difference.

In fact, I recommend it to anybody using a pre powerpc mac that wants to have
a fairly nice email system.

If anybody on this list would like help setting up or using power talk, I'd be
glad to share my experiences that I've had with it so far.

 -- From: Quadlist, Fri, Dec 20, 2002 -- 

I think
>>PowerTalk operating system integrated email services is the coolest thing I
>>have ever seen.
>>
>>Unfortunately, you're one of about five people who thought that... ;)
>
>For what reasons?  I'm using PowerTalk right now, I think its fantastic that
I

Beats me.  I never used it, and Apple dropped it after 7.5.5 because nobody
was
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Re: Question the QuadDoubler

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At 22:16 -0600 on 20/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>>refuse to upgrade to 8, I refuse to put a PowerPC chip in here, and I think
>>PowerTalk operating system integrated email services is the coolest thing I
>>have ever seen.
>>
>>Unfortunately, you're one of about five people who thought that... ;)
>
>For what reasons?  I'm using PowerTalk right now, I think its fantastic that I

Beats me.  I never used it, and Apple dropped it after 7.5.5 because nobody was
using it.

>>AFAIK it's not even a 50 MHz part - it's an overclocked 40 MHz part.  Let us
>>know when you get it, though, whether it has 68040RC40 or 68040RC50 as the
>>part number.
>
>Why whats the difference between the two?

Reliability and honesty on the part of the manufacturer as far as I'm concerned.

>I read somewhere that one model had 128kb L2 cache, and the guy on the phone
>from MicroMac said the one he was sending me had Cache.  I'm not sure if I can
>belive this though, is there any way I can test to see if it actually does?

Look at it.  There'll be cache on it, very obviously, in the form of four or
eight identical chips.

>In fact, is there any utility with which I can test a processors actual true
>clock speed?

Clockometer is probably your best bet for an older Mac like that.

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Re: Question the QuadDoubler

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>refuse to upgrade to 8, I refuse to put a PowerPC chip in here, and I think
>PowerTalk operating system integrated email services is the coolest thing I
>have ever seen.
>
>Unfortunately, you're one of about five people who thought that... ;)

For what reasons?  I'm using PowerTalk right now, I think its fantastic that I
don't have to start separate email programs to organize my contacts or my
inbox and outbox!

It has already impressed more than a few PC friends of mine.

>AFAIK it's not even a 50 MHz part - it's an overclocked 40 MHz part.  Let us
>know when you get it, though, whether it has 68040RC40 or 68040RC50 as the
>part number.

Why whats the difference between the two?

I read somewhere that one model had 128kb L2 cache, and the guy on the phone
from MicroMac said the one he was sending me had Cache.  I'm not sure if I can
belive this though, is there any way I can test to see if it actually does?

In fact, is there any utility with which I can test a processors actual true
clock speed?

>I don't trust MicroMac farther than I can throw 'em, and I shudder to think
>what a princely sum is being spent to do this, but I can't see any reason why
>it *wouldn't* work.

Hmm... Well thankfully I ordered everything else from MacVizion, who has
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Re: Quadra 700 woes

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At 20:40 -0700 on 20/12/02, J Sand wrote:

>The only way to stop all this BS is not to pacify those who think it is cool
>by being rude.  Come on, who is going to make a "jerk" comment about this
>post?

You JERK! ;)

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Re: Question the QuadDoubler

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At 21:45 -0600 on 20/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>refuse to upgrade to 8, I refuse to put a PowerPC chip in here, and I think
>PowerTalk operating system integrated email services is the coolest thing I
>have ever seen.

Unfortunately, you're one of about five people who thought that... ;)

>This christmas season I've ordered a new SuperMac Video card, which I plan to
>begin using dual monitors with, 136mb of RAM, and something called the Sonnett
>QuadDoubler.  After all, isn't it nothing more than a replacement CPU with a
>50mhz clock speed?

AFAIK it's not even a 50 MHz part - it's an overclocked 40 MHz part.  Let us
know when you get it, though, whether it has 68040RC40 or 68040RC50 as the part
number.

>Now heres where the question, comes in:  Everywhere I go all I hear is "The
>QuadDoubler will not work in the Quadra 800."  However, the company I ordered
>it from (MicroMac actually) not only guaranteed me it will work, they're
>shipping it already installed inside a complete Quadra 800.  They told me that
>once I'm satisifed it works, they'll pay for the rest of the Quadra 800 to be
>shipped back to them, along with the card if I'm not satisified.

I don't trust MicroMac farther than I can throw 'em, and I shudder to think
what a princely sum is being spent to do this, but I can't see any reason why
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Re: Network Setup

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At 15:24 -0600 on 20/12/02, Ken Hajicek wrote:

>> Lemme guess...existing network has autosensing 10/100 equipment on it?
>>
>> Asante cards are notorious for not working well with auto-negotiating
>> equipment unless the switch/router is set to 10Base-T-only or a
>> 10Base-T-ony hub is placed between the card and any autosensing equipment.
>
>
>Your right on about the auto-sensing, I'll try to find a 10Base-T hub.

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Re: Quadra 700 woes

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Question the QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

Hello, Quadlist!

My name's Dan, and I'm new to Quadlist.  I just thought I'd introduce myself,
as well as my Quadra 800, and pose a few riddles to you veteran 040 users.

My Quadra 800 has been in the family for less than two years now, it was
purchased in January of 2001 to be used by my father Steve as a web browser
and emailer.  After about 8 months of service, it was retired as he felt it to
be too slow.  Back then it had 12mb of RAM, the 230mb Hard Drive, and MacOS
8.1.

It then sat, for a LONG time.  Every once in a while I'd pull it out to
fiddle, but never really used it.

Just about one month ago however, I decided to set it up in my bedroom as a
light web browser.  I installed system 7.5.3 and some internet software.  I
found it to be slow as well.  So, after about a days worth of scrounging up
every 72pin SIMM I could find, I then began an arduous task of figuring out
how big each one was.  This took me about 45 minutes of restarting the
computer each time with a single SIMM installed, then I would subtract 8 from
the total.

When it was all said and done I had a grand total of 57mb of RAM in my Quadra
800! I switched off VM, and WOW this thing began impresing me.  Then, to make
matters even better, my friend practically gave me a 10,000rpm 4.5gb Seagate
Cheetah SCSI hard drive.  Once again, WOW.

The wow was coming from me saying to myself "This thing is 9 years old.  None
of my 33mhz Windows machines could do this! (And I have several)."

Another wow:  It could play the 67mb QuickTime "The old Apartment" music video
featured on the MacOS 8 install cd (which I did NOT install) perfectly.

Then again:  Using VNC, I could (surprisingly easy and not too slowly) control
all the other Macs and PCs in the house.

Anyway as the story goes on, I became engulfed in this Machine.  As some of my
friends know, it has become my favorite, and MOST USED Macintosh, even though
my G3/400 system is in the basement.

I also have started to become infactuated with older Mac technologies.  I
refuse to upgrade to 8, I refuse to put a PowerPC chip in here, and I think
PowerTalk operating system integrated email services is the coolest thing I
have ever seen.

I've been installing a ton of software, and the 4.5gb hard drive seems to have
barely anything in it.

It's become my quest to have the most souped up, tricked out, 68k Macintosh
Quadra on earth, or at least out of anybody I know.

This christmas season I've ordered a new SuperMac Video card, which I plan to
begin using dual monitors with, 136mb of RAM, and something called the Sonnett
QuadDoubler.  After all, isn't it nothing more than a replacement CPU with a
50mhz clock speed?

Now heres where the question, comes in:  Everywhere I go all I hear is "The
QuadDoubler will not work in the Quadra 800."  However, the company I ordered
it from (MicroMac actually) not only guaranteed me it will work, they're
shipping it already installed inside a complete Quadra 800.  They told me that
once I'm satisifed it works, they'll pay for the rest of the Quadra 800 to be
shipped back to them, along with the card if I'm not satisified.

I haven't gotten it yet, but I'm becoming very anxious.  It comes in on
Monday.  Will this thing actually work in my Quadra 800 or not?

Thanks for listening to my rants!  Long live the Quadra 800!


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Re: back on topic - 610 RAM

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Simply understood, I screwed up and didn't use a spell check that time.  
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Re: back on topic - 610 RAM

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Thanks, that is what I meant by being confusing at times.  Now I know what 
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Re: Network Setup

[Ken Hajicek]

On Friday 20 December 2002 08:30 pm, you wrote:
> At 14:09 -0600 on 20/12/02, Ken Hajicek wrote:
> >I recently aquired an Asante ethernet card and I'm trying to connect my
> >Performa 635 to our existing network for internet access.
> >
> >Currently we have a cable modem connected to a Linux box which acts a
> >router/server. I have tried Open Transport and a fresh install of 7.5 but
> >nothing seems work.
> >
> >Another thing I've noticed is the green led on the card flashes when a
> > cable is connected to it from a switch.
>
> Lemme guess...existing network has autosensing 10/100 equipment on it?
>
> Asante cards are notorious for not working well with auto-negotiating
> equipment unless the switch/router is set to 10Base-T-only or a
> 10Base-T-ony hub is placed between the card and any autosensing equipment.


Your right on about the auto-sensing, I'll try to find a 10Base-T hub.

Thanks for the info.
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Re: Network Setup

[the pickle]

At 14:09 -0600 on 20/12/02, Ken Hajicek wrote:

>I recently aquired an Asante ethernet card and I'm trying to connect my
>Performa 635 to our existing network for internet access.
>
>Currently we have a cable modem connected to a Linux box which acts a
>router/server. I have tried Open Transport and a fresh install of 7.5 but
>nothing seems work.
>
>Another thing I've noticed is the green led on the card flashes when a cable
>is connected to it from a switch.

Lemme guess...existing network has autosensing 10/100 equipment on it?

Asante cards are notorious for not working well with auto-negotiating equipment
unless the switch/router is set to 10Base-T-only or a 10Base-T-ony hub is
placed between the card and any autosensing equipment.
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Network Setup

[Ken Hajicek]

I recently aquired an Asante ethernet card and I'm trying to connect my 
Performa 635 to our existing network for internet access.

Currently we have a cable modem connected to a Linux box which acts a 
router/server. I have tried Open Transport and a fresh install of 7.5 but 
nothing seems work.

Another thing I've noticed is the green led on the card flashes when a cable 
is connected to it from a switch.

Any advice is appreciated.

Ken

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Re: Quadra 700 woes

[Paul Stamsen]

At 20:00 -0500, 12/20/02,   (the pickle)  observed:

>  Hey, Paul, mind clarifying to whom that was directed? :)

  everyone
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The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than 
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the British or Americans.

The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart 
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The Italians drink excessive amounts of red wine and also suffer 
fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.

CONCLUSION: Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is 
apparently what kills you.

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Re: Quadra 700 woes

[the pickle]

At 15:56 -0700 on 20/12/02, Paul Stamsen wrote:

>Don't even post on this thread again -- unless it truly is about
>"Quadra 700 woes"

Hey, Paul, mind clarifying to whom that was directed? :)
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Re: Quadra 700 woes

[Paul Stamsen]

Don't even post on this thread again -- unless it truly is about 
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Re: back on topic [Sque]

[Michael Dawe]

on 20/12/2002, Sque <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Excellent, its the ones under your nose you miss, cheaper than ebay. :)
> Thanks. Haven't tried Doom on a 68k does it multiplayer well?

(All ID Dooms 1 - 2) run resonably OK on a Quadra w/FPU. *AND 72 pin RAM*.
OK, so I think my Q700 is bit of a slug and only good for running BSD ;-)
I haven't tried multiplayer, so I don't know how it goes. I think that if it
was on a LAN it might be OK but otherwise... hm?

> Do you use a different port of Doom or ID's?

Yes, I'm playing Legacy Doom, a DOS port on a Pentium 166 running DOS 6x.
There are recent ports of Legacy to several platforms including OS X, so I
guess this where the most activity in the DOOM source code is, at present.

Tip if you're interested; Buy Doom II from a bargin bin. Powerhouse has them
for AUS$9.95 right now. The advice on the shrinkwrap says for a PC Running
Win 9x etc. You can either follow this advice or ignore it: I chose to
ignore it and simply extracted the DOOM2.WAD, this runs quite happy (and
upgrades) my own copy of Ultimate DOOM's Mac executable, without conversion,
running on my Q650.

But my real favourite is to use this same WAD on a DOS box using Legacy's
port, version 130 (I've tried later versions and x-platform but v.130 DOS is
a good one, IMO the best).

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Re: Quadra 700 woes

[the pickle]

At 13:21 -0800 on 20/12/02, E McCann wrote:

>At 09:11 AM 12/20/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed thusly:
>
>>duh
>
>
>You've posted four times, all today, and all just trying to add some fuel
>to a dying or non-existant fire.

I have a really good idea who this might be, actually.

>You're also from AOL, which I know allows you to have multiple screen names
>- so you're probably already familiar with the list, and for some reason

Uh-huh...

>want to stir up trouble without getting your "real" name in trouble or
>kicked off.

If it's who I think it is, he's been kicked off under about - literally - 15
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Re: Quadra 700 woes

[E McCann]

At 09:11 AM 12/20/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed thusly:

>duh


You know, I just did a quick check of posters to the list for the last... 2 
1/2 months (last time I backed up my email.)

You've posted four times, all today, and all just trying to add some fuel 
to a dying or non-existant fire.

You're also from AOL, which I know allows you to have multiple screen names 
- so you're probably already familiar with the list, and for some reason 
want to stir up trouble without getting your "real" name in trouble or 
kicked off.

I'm asking this nicely. Knock it off.


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Re: Grammar [ was Re: NO MORE "WARNING!" Messages ]

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on 12/20/02 11:47 AM, J Sand at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> me and whoever
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Re: Quadra 700 woes

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on 12/20/02 11:22 AM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> You know what, you've posted to this list four times and I already don't like
> you.
> 
> Shape up or ship out.  The above doesn't contribute one whit to the benefit of
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Re: back on topic - 610 RAM

[the pickle]

At 18:37 +0100 on 20/12/02, Ronald Bos wrote:

>About the EDO: will it lead to system instability?

What did I say last time I answered this question? :)
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Re: Quadra 700 woes

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on 12/20/02 9:22 AM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> You know what, you've posted to this list four times and I already don't like
> you.
> 
> Shape up or ship out.  The above doesn't contribute one whit to the benefit of
> *any* list members.

Pickles. They're knobby and sour, but what else is a cucumber good for
anyway?

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Re: back on topic - 610 RAM

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> Can you expalin what "erhm" meant?  Also I would like to know also on the 
> EDO question.
> 
> John
I'm sorry. I meant something like "ehm..." (vocal sound one makes when
he is thinking deep about what to say next.)
But eh... can you explain what "expalin" means?
About the EDO: will it lead to system instability?

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Re: back on topic - 610 RAM

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At 10:26 -0700 on 20/12/02, J Sand wrote:

>>I hope I didn't miss something during the last months,
>>but erhm would edo ram work in a Quad 610? Experiences someone?
>>Would it be unstable?
>>
>>Ronald
>>
>Can you expalin what "erhm" meant?

"erhm" as in "uhmmm" or "uhhh..." or "ahh..." or any other "hesitational
infarcting conjunction," to paraphrase Mister Language Person...
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Re: Grammar [ was Re: NO MORE "WARNING!" Messages ]

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>But "me and whoever" is quite correct, if used in the accusative.
>
>e.g. My father sent me and whoever away to school.
>
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Thanks, I will do some research on that and I might finally be able not to 
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Re: Nanny interference etc.

[J Sand]

> >> Please correct for grammar, content and netiquette and reply to:
> > I don't do this as my own grammar spelling etc is not that great.
>grammar, superfluous

If I make a screw up, spelling, context, or otherwise, and it causes someone 
problems in understanding what I wrote to the point they had to reread it to 
understand what I meant, PLEASE let me know!  I am not offended, nor 
consider it an attack, if my communication attempt of a subject needs to be 
made clearer in the future.  This is how I learn.

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Re: back on topic - 610 RAM

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>I hope I didn't miss something during the last months,
>but erhm would edo ram work in a Quad 610? Experiences someone?
>Would it be unstable?
>
>Ronald
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Can you expalin what "erhm" meant?  Also I would like to know also on the 
EDO question.

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Re: Quadra 700 woes

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At 12:11 -0500 on 20/12/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>duh

You know what, you've posted to this list four times and I already don't like
you.

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Re: Top Post Time Again?

[J Sand]

I wasn't the one misspelling, and out of context all over the place, which 
causes miscommunication.  My desire is for "clear" communication, not 
something I have to read through five times to figure out what was trying to 
be "said"!

And the nanny did his job, it's just some people refuse to listen!!  Who 
could that be 

John

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Re: back on topic - 610 RAM

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At 15:21 +0100 on 20/12/02, Ronald Bos wrote:

>I hope I didn't miss something during the last months,
>but erhm would edo ram work in a Quad 610? Experiences someone?

It won't *not* work.  But don't pay extra for it, because no 68Ks make use of
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Re: Excuse me?

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At 10:53 -0500 on 20/12/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>drama drama, please allow the ladie to grow up!

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Re: Quadra 700 woes

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At 17:36 +0100 on 20/12/02, Ronald Bos wrote:

>Well, if you can still use your keyboard then
>it is more likely that your mouse is fried. M..!

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Re: Quadra 700 woes

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duh

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Re: back on topic - 610 RAM

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Thanks pickle!

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Re: Quadra 700 woes

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Well, if you can still use your keyboard then
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Quadra 700 woes

[PastorScott02]

Good afternoon everyone,

My son's Quadra 700 has a slight problem. It boots up as nice as ever; 
however, the mouse doesn't move. The arrow stays where it appears on the 
desktop. It's not froze because I can open the hard drive and such using 
keyboard commands. Am I right to assume the APD port is toast? I assume I'll 
have to get a new mother board off Ebay. Is there any other options?  

Thanks for all the advice folks

Here's wishing you folks a wonderful Holiday Season.

Scott

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Re: Excuse me?

[LemSwap123]

drama drama, please allow the ladie to grow up!

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Re: NO MORE "WARNING!" Messages

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OMg ladie please grow up!@!!

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Re: Excuse me?

[LemSwap123]

OMG ladies please grow up!

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Re: back on topic - 610 RAM

[the pickle]

At 01:12 -0700 on 20/12/02, J Sand wrote:

>Thanks, and what is Arkanoid?  Where to get that version of Photoshop and

AKA Breakout AKA Brickles AKA about fifteen other names ;)

PS 3.x and earlier are best located on eBay, as are older versions of
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Re: back on topic - 610 RAM

[the pickle]

At 00:51 -0700 on 20/12/02, J Sand wrote:

>On my 610, will 2x16 be enough RAM, or should I go ahead and invest in 2x32
>RAM sticks.  The machine is mostly going to be used for surfing by 56k modem

No point in buying 16s when 32s are basically the same price.

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Re: back on topic - 610 RAM

[Ronald Bos]

I hope I didn't miss something during the last months,
but erhm would edo ram work in a Quad 610? Experiences someone?
Would it be unstable?

Ronald



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Re: back on topic - 610 RAM

[J Sand]

Thanks, and what is Arkanoid?  Where to get that version of Photoshop and 
what version of Illustrator will run on a "LC40" based machine?

John

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Re: back on topic - 610 RAM

[John Laughlin]

John, I'd put in as much RAM as you can afford...  Photoshop 2.5 (yes,
I'm dating myself) works fine on just about any '030 or newer Mac, and
is reasonably fast.  My 650 works just fine for image manipulations,
but, since I also have a PowerMac 7100/80 (which is inside a 650 case,
btw), I usually use that one as my "daily driver", and keep the 650
around for playing games like Arkanoid (1.1 runs fine on any Mac that
can do 24-bit addressing).
-J
Owner of one Apple //e, three Macs, and, *gasp*, two Dell PC's...

J Sand wrote:
> 
> On my 610, will 2x16 be enough RAM, or should I go ahead and invest in 2x32
> RAM sticks.  The machine is mostly going to be used for surfing by 56k modem
> and some word processing functions.
> 
> If the extra RAM will make it able to do image manipulations, even slowly
> compared to today's standards, it would be worth it for me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
>

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