Re: Software piracy [was 840av]

[PeterH5322]

In a message dated 1/19/03 11:50:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
As far as I know, in the case where the copyright holder truly doesn't exist 
any longer and wasn't just bought by someone else (thereby transferring the 
copyrights in most cases), it would then be legal to distribute it.
>>

Probably not unless and until the owner had officially "published" a release.

See PCSetup 2.0's release, for an example.


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Re: Software piracy [was 840av]

[Scott Holder]

At 08:36 AM 1/20/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>On this note, does anyone know the legalities of abandoned software? Is there
>an inventory anywhere of what software is legally abandoned? Also, what is
>the legality of software where the co. that produced it is no more, hence
>it is not available?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Yane

Strictly legally, if a company hasn't released the copyright, and the 
copyright holder still exists, then it can not legally be distributed. If 
Sierra says we can't distribute Mystery House, more or less their first 
game from the early 80's, then it's not legal to distribute it. That's not 
to say they'll prosecute if it is, but strictly speaking it's not legal.

I'm not going to get into a moral vs. justified vs. "If they're not going 
to sell it, then why not" argument, just speaking strictly.

As far as I know, in the case where the copyright holder truly doesn't 
exist any longer and wasn't just bought by someone else (thereby 
transferring the copyrights in most cases), it would then be legal to 
distribute it.

"Abandonware" is just a buzzword created by those trying to justify it. I'm 
personally on the side of preserving old, but useful software that isn't 
being sold anymore, but that doesn't change the fact it's still techincally 
illegal.

Scott Holder


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Re: Software piracy [was 840av]

[mriscott]

> >Software companies don't want either of those things to happen, as it means
> >the recipient of the second-hand software is not going to bother buying new
> >software from the software companies.  I'm not going to be a hypocrit and
> 
> Which is a load of horsepucky, because most of the time that people around
> *HERE* are looking for used software, they're only doing so because the company
> REFUSES TO SELL A VERSION THAT WILL WORK ON MACHINES RELEVANT TO THIS LIST.


On this note, does anyone know the legalities of abandoned software? Is there
an inventory anywhere of what software is legally abandoned? Also, what is
the legality of software where the co. that produced it is no more, hence
it is not available?

Thanks,

Yane

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FAQ Update

[the pickle]

Lotsa goodies added, mostly Tom Lee's stuff about floppies, Martin's battery
tip, and some other random tidbits.  Anyone who keeps a copy of the full FAQ as
an offline HTML file should know that all the LEM links should be fixed now, so
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Re: Chat Software

[Otto Hansen]

>Also, I don't know if anyone is into LiveJournal here, but I'm looking for
a
>68k Client for that too.

I dont know about livejournal but with blurty.com it appears to be based on
the AIM client (oscar protocol) so it shouldnt be hard to add support to
GAIM via a plugin or small change


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Re: Chat Software

[Jeff L.]

Agreed, I have no idea how complicated porting is, but I'm looking.  Need to
find a compiler and get the source and start hacking...
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>At 22:23 -0400 on 19/01/03, Jeff L. wrote:
>
>>Anyway, this GAIM is good news.
>
>It would be better news if someone had the know-how to port it to System 7
>(hint hint).
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Re: Chat Software

[the pickle]

At 22:23 -0400 on 19/01/03, Jeff L. wrote:

>Anyway, this GAIM is good news.

It would be better news if someone had the know-how to port it to System 7
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Re: Chat Software

[Jeff L.]

Nice, this is EXACTLY what I am talking about.  Currently I run ICQ and
AIM's native clients.  Together they use 7 Megs of RAM.  Still looking for
some way (Java maybe?) to run Yahoo, but a multiprotocol client is my first
choice, A) because it uses less resources, and B) combines everything into
one list for easy use (like Trillian).

Also, I don't know if anyone is into LiveJournal here, but I'm looking for a
68k Client for that too.

Anyway, this GAIM is good news.

JeffL

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>

>>GAIM is AOL IM-only, right?
>
>
>gaim is AOL, ICQ, IRC, for sure and I think it also supports MSN Yahoo
>Jabber and others

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Re: Chat Software

[Fred]

>At 19:17 -0600 on 19/01/03, Otto Hansen wrote:
>
>>it may be possible to get GAIM (could try an older version of the software
>>for less system requirments) to run on an old mac.
>
>GAIM is AOL IM-only, right?

About:
Gaim is a GTK-based messenger application. Gaim is NOT endorsed by or 
affiliated with AOL. It is actively being developed and supports many 
common features of other clients, including many unique features. It 
also supports multiple protocols, including AIM (Oscar and TOC), ICQ, 
IRC, Yahoo!, MSN Messenger, Jabber, Napster, and Zephyr.

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Re: Chat Software

[the pickle]

At 20:08 -0600 on 19/01/03, Otto Hansen wrote:

>>GAIM is AOL IM-only, right?
>
>
>gaim is AOL, ICQ, IRC, for sure and I think it also supports MSN Yahoo
>Jabber and others

Aye, so it does.

*And* it's open-source, so what we need is...

some programmers who are skilled enough to port it to the old Mac OS :)
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Re: Chat Software

[Otto Hansen]

>GAIM is AOL IM-only, right?


gaim is AOL, ICQ, IRC, for sure and I think it also supports MSN Yahoo
Jabber and others




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Re: Chat Software

[the pickle]

At 19:17 -0600 on 19/01/03, Otto Hansen wrote:

>it may be possible to get GAIM (could try an older version of the software
>for less system requirments) to run on an old mac.

GAIM is AOL IM-only, right?
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Re: Chat Software

[Otto Hansen]

>There aren't any multi-protocol clients for anything under OS X, AFAIK.
>
>The only two chat protocols supported on 68Ks other than IRC are AOL IM and
ICQ.

it may be possible to get GAIM (could try an older version of the software
for less system requirments) to run on an old mac.

you could either try to compile it to run in native mac OS or install debian
and try to compile it for still linux but on a different architecture

I have had a conversation with one of the developers of GAIM and they didnt
see any reason why it would not be possible and couldnt think of any
specific limiting system requirments

-
Otto Hansen


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Re: Quadra 610 PDS DOS Card in other '040s?

[Tina Holm]

At 12:39 -0500 19/01/03, the pickle replied:
>I once saw a WWW page that had info about using one in a 650

Dug around my 1000 bookmarks, but can't find it either. Maybe you can find
something in the DOS card faq here:
http://homepage.mac.com/olivers/DOScard/DOScard.html

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Re: Performa 575

[Jim Reagan]

Thanks,

I'll keep the group posted.

Jim

On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 05:03 PM, the pickle wrote:

> At 16:59 -0600 on 19/01/03, Jim Reagan wrote:
>
>> I'm currently running 7.51.
>> That's what came with the original performa disks.
>>
>> Could I install that on the bigger hard drive without any problems?
>
> Yep, but you'll definitely want to apply the free 7.5.3 and 7.5.5 
> updaters from
> Apple.  Links to both are in the FAQ, as well as a hard disk 
> formatting tool
> that you'll likely need.
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Re: Performa 575

[the pickle]

At 16:59 -0600 on 19/01/03, Jim Reagan wrote:

>I'm currently running 7.51.
>That's what came with the original performa disks.
>
>Could I install that on the bigger hard drive without any problems?

Yep, but you'll definitely want to apply the free 7.5.3 and 7.5.5 updaters from
Apple.  Links to both are in the FAQ, as well as a hard disk formatting tool
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Re: Performa 575

[Jim Reagan]

I'm currently running 7.51.
That's what came with the original performa disks.

Could I install that on the bigger hard drive without any problems?

Jim


On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 04:41 PM, the pickle wrote:

> At 16:37 -0600 on 19/01/03, Jim Reagan wrote:
>
>> I was afraid of that.
>> Any upgrade options for the Performa from the group would be helpful.
>
> What OS is it running now?  There's really very little reason you 
> can't make
> that hard disk work as-is.
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Re: 840av

[zhmmy harper]

Yes, they do, but I don't think it hurts anyone.  Maybe you need an eye 
exam.   Paul, don't be such a baby soldier.  Bye y'all, its been fun and I 
did find what I needed for my Q950.  Thanks.

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At 12:31 -0600 on 19/01/03, zhmmy harper wrote:

 >Because people here sell and swap all kinds of stuff, not just quad.

No.

They don't.

If you think they do after all the discussion in the last 24 hours about HOW
THIS IS NOT REMOTELY RELEVANT, then you - and I mean this in the most polite
way possible - need to have your head examined.

At the very least you need to go re-read the list FAQ at

http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml

and don't post anything else until you've fully read and understood it.

Paul, didn't you say this guy had his warning already?
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Re: Performa 575

[the pickle]

At 16:37 -0600 on 19/01/03, Jim Reagan wrote:

>I was afraid of that.
>Any upgrade options for the Performa from the group would be helpful.

What OS is it running now?  There's really very little reason you can't make
that hard disk work as-is.
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Re: A Tale of Two 840s

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At 14:31 -0800 on 19/01/03, E McCann wrote:

>>What about booting with a TV hooked up as the only monitor (cmd-opt-T-V)
>>on the
>>composite jack?
>
>That's how I was testing them out, actually  

Then try it the other way - use a monitor as the main monitor and then use the
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Re: A Tale of Two 840s

[the pickle]

At 14:11 -0800 on 19/01/03, James S Jones wrote:

>(As an aside, my 840 isn't responding to . I have to
>use an old monitors control panel to switch it. From your syntax,
>pickle, should I really be doing ?)

No need for shift, but I dunno why the key combo isn't working.
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Re: Performa 575

[Jim Reagan]

Thanks for the info.

I was afraid of that.
Any upgrade options for the Performa from the group would be helpful.

Jim
On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 04:06 PM, the pickle wrote:

> At 16:01 -0600 on 19/01/03, Jim Reagan wrote:
>
>> I've found a 4.2 gig, 50 pin hard drive on ebay the seller says could
>> work with some modifications.
>
> No need to modify it; 50-pin SCSI drives will drop right in.
>
>> I'm wondering if the computer speed (66 mhz) would be fast enough to
>> make the upgrade to 8.5 worthwhile
>
> Not only is it not fast enough, but 1) 8.5 requires a PPC and 2) the 
> installer
> that shipped with an iMac will very likely *NOT* work on any other 
> machines.
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Re: A Tale of Two 840s

[E McCann]

At 01:11 PM 1/19/2003, the pickle typed thusly:

>Couple more things to try...
>
>Zapping the PRAM didn't help?

Hadn't tried that one (for a video problem, didn't occur to me.)


>What about booting with a TV hooked up as the only monitor (cmd-opt-T-V) 
>on the
>composite jack?

That's how I was testing them out, actually  


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Re: A Tale of Two 840s

[James S Jones]

Are the connections from the logic board to the AV module secure and 
good?

(As an aside, my 840 isn't responding to . I have to 
use an old monitors control panel to switch it. From your syntax, 
pickle, should I really be doing ?)

On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 01:11  PM, the pickle wrote:

> At 13:08 -0800 on 19/01/03, E McCann wrote:
>
>> At 01:00 PM 1/19/2003, the pickle typed thusly:
>>
 Problem's somewhere in the output, screenshots are fine. I'm hoping 
 it's
>>>
>>> TV output only, or is it similar when connected to a computer 
>>> monitor?
>>
>> TV only. Both systems look perfectly normal on a regular (Mac) 
>> monitor.
>
> Couple more things to try...
>
> Zapping the PRAM didn't help?
> What about booting with a TV hooked up as the only monitor 
> (cmd-opt-T-V) on the
> composite jack?


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Re: Performa 575

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At 16:01 -0600 on 19/01/03, Jim Reagan wrote:

>I've found a 4.2 gig, 50 pin hard drive on ebay the seller says could
>work with some modifications.

No need to modify it; 50-pin SCSI drives will drop right in.

>I'm wondering if the computer speed (66 mhz) would be fast enough to
>make the upgrade to 8.5 worthwhile

Not only is it not fast enough, but 1) 8.5 requires a PPC and 2) the installer
that shipped with an iMac will very likely *NOT* work on any other machines.

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Performa 575

[Jim Reagan]

Just signed up for the list today and it looks like it will be 
informative.
I have a  Performa I am considering upgrading.  It's info:
Performa 575
LC68040
250 mb
36 mgs ram
66 MHZ
no fpu

I've found a 4.2 gig, 50 pin hard drive on ebay the seller says could 
work with some modifications.

I would have to install  system 8.5 on the hard drive to use the drive.
Apple says the Performa will support that at it's top level and I have 
a copy of Imac disks that I could use.

I'm wondering if the computer speed (66 mhz) would be fast enough to 
make the upgrade to 8.5 worthwhile

I've had this Performa since 1995 and it's been rock solid.
I would like to still use it and am open to suggestions.

Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated.
Thanks

Jim R


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Re: A Tale of Two 840s

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At 13:08 -0800 on 19/01/03, E McCann wrote:

>At 01:00 PM 1/19/2003, the pickle typed thusly:
>
>> >Problem's somewhere in the output, screenshots are fine. I'm hoping it's
>>
>>TV output only, or is it similar when connected to a computer monitor?
>
>TV only. Both systems look perfectly normal on a regular (Mac) monitor.

Couple more things to try...

Zapping the PRAM didn't help?
What about booting with a TV hooked up as the only monitor (cmd-opt-T-V) on the
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Re: A Tale of Two 840s

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At 01:00 PM 1/19/2003, the pickle typed thusly:

> >Problem's somewhere in the output, screenshots are fine. I'm hoping it's
>
>TV output only, or is it similar when connected to a computer monitor?

TV only. Both systems look perfectly normal on a regular (Mac) monitor.


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Re: A Tale of Two 840s

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At 12:56 -0800 on 19/01/03, E McCann wrote:

>At 12:41 PM 1/19/2003, the pickle typed thusly:
>
>>See if you can try something like Adobe Gamma (dunno if there's a 68K version)
>>to bring that down a bit.  If you take a screen shot, is there a noticeable
>>difference between the two?  Or is the problem in the analogue output
>>somewhere?
>
>Problem's somewhere in the output, screenshots are fine. I'm hoping it's

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Re: A Tale of Two 840s

[E McCann]

At 12:41 PM 1/19/2003, the pickle typed thusly:


>See if you can try something like Adobe Gamma (dunno if there's a 68K version)
>to bring that down a bit.  If you take a screen shot, is there a noticeable
>difference between the two?  Or is the problem in the analogue output 
>somewhere?

Problem's somewhere in the output, screenshots are fine. I'm hoping it's 
not a loose connection - OTOH, once I track down my soldering iron, I'll be 
attacking an SE/30 anyway, so I might as well fix any 840 connections then 


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Re: A Tale of Two 840s

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At 12:35 -0800 on 19/01/03, E McCann wrote:

>Settings are the same on both systems. On regular monitors, both displays
>are fine. On the TV, though, one is fine - looks just like it does on the
>computer monitor.  On the other, though, the display is much brighter - too
>bright, in fact - and there is what looks like an interference pattern in

See if you can try something like Adobe Gamma (dunno if there's a 68K version)
to bring that down a bit.  If you take a screen shot, is there a noticeable
difference between the two?  Or is the problem in the analogue output somewhere?
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A Tale of Two 840s

[E McCann]

Playing around with hooking the 840 up to a TV. With two 840s, I get two 
different results.

Setup -

840 -> four head cable (Composite, S-vid, two sound channels - apparently I 
need all four to get the TV display to work -> converter box (switchbox, 
same thing I have a DVD player and VCR hooked into) -> TV.

Settings are the same on both systems. On regular monitors, both displays 
are fine. On the TV, though, one is fine - looks just like it does on the 
computer monitor.  On the other, though, the display is much brighter - too 
bright, in fact - and there is what looks like an interference pattern in 
some light areas. (Best description I can think of is this - take a 
screenshot, run it into Photoshop, lighten it, and keep hitting "Sharpen" 
and "Find Edges" 7-8 times.)

So what's causing the difference? The second one's actually physically 
painful (literally) to look at for more than 30 seconds. Same port on the 
switch box. Same cable. No changes anywhere else. Same amount of VRAM.

This is more a "curiosity" thing than anything, as they're not hooked up to 
TVs too often, but if I can remedy it, so much the better.


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Re: 840av

[E McCann]

At 11:35 AM 1/19/2003, victoria Duggan typed thusly:
> >
>Hi NO I DID NOT! mention anything about any other Mac I asked if there was
>any better app than apple video player to render video.

Um...
"For doing videos and sending them to a burner via ethernet I am using apple
video player for the video's at the moment but it is slow."

(From the second post, not the original.) Nothing *wrong* with it, just 
pointing out where I saw the info that generated a suggestion.

>As it happens I do transfer the files via ethernet to my Ibook then burn
>them to cd but this is a Quad list and the ibook part is not the part I
>wanted to know about,
>
>It was the 840 AV involvement to capture the raw video from camcorder.

... which is partly why the stuff about other machines that got Pickle's 
undies in a twist came up - mentioning that (a) the 840's CPU is what's 
slowing you down, not software, with a suggestion that you might want to 
try encoding on the other machine, and (b) that someone else (*gasp*) used 
a much newer machine (oh, the horror) and had similar "can't use the 
machine for anything else" results with a suggested bit of software.

Didn't do anything wrong. *shrug* And despite Pickle's reaction, it didn't 
turn into a Flat-Panel-Imac, G4, Non-Quadra Lovefest. Chance to? Sure. Did 
it? No.

Now, pulling this further into 840AV-land... well, we'll save that for the 
next post. 


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Warning, warning

[Paul Stamsen]

At 13:42 -0500, 1/19/03,   (the pickle)  observed:


 At the very least you need to go re-read the list FAQ at

 http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml

 and don't post anything else until you've fully read and understood it.

 Paul, didn't you say this guy had his warning already?



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Re: 840av

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At 12:31 -0600, 1/19/03,   (zhmmy harper)  observed:



 Because people here sell and swap all kinds of stuff, not just quad.


If you can't stick with the list rules you will get banned. Now take 
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Off Topic/Off Quadra posting (was 840av)

[Paul Stamsen]

At 13:15 -0500, 1/19/03,   (the pickle)  observed:



 At 12:12 -0600 on 19/01/03, zhmmy harper wrote:


No, but it will on my G4.


 THEN WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT HERE?


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Re: 840av

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At 13:47 -0600 on 19/01/03, Jack Gallemore wrote:

>Additionally, she was using a piece of equipment that I have used on a
>newer machine with the same results that she was experiencing.  I
>didn't realize this list was limited to only experiences on Quadras,
>but rather to help people who are having problems with Quadras.  I've

Because some people apparently have trouble understanding simple instructions
that they read when they sign up for lists, I'm reproducing the relevant text
from the list FAQ here:

Quadlist is a forum for users of [or those wishing to discuss - p] 68040-based
Macintosh computers. This includes the Centris and Quadra series, plus some
PowerBooks, LCs, and Performas.

Following our "once removed" rule, discussion of 68020- and 68030- Macs, as
well as early Power Macs [i.e., the x100s and PPC-based 630-series machines -
p], is **acceptable** but **discouraged** [emphasis added - p]. Owners of [or
those wishing to discuss - p] other Macs are encouraged to join the appropriate
list from those listed on the right.

The above comes from:


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Re: 840av

[Jack Gallemore]

Additionally, she was using a piece of equipment that I have used on a 
newer machine with the same results that she was experiencing.  I 
didn't realize this list was limited to only experiences on Quadras, 
but rather to help people who are having problems with Quadras.  I've 
been in the computing industry since the early '80s and have racked up 
a lot of time with personal computing.  I've found that in 
troubleshooting a problem, I ask myself "Have I dealt with this 
before?".  In eliminating possible suspects, I usually like to see if a 
similar problem has occurred regardless of platform or OS.

Now that I know that this list is only limited to a discussion of only 
"experiences with Quadras need apply", I'll happily go into lurk mode.

Jack

On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 01:19 PM, E McCann wrote:

>
> I think part of the reason this came up was that in her initial post, 
> she
> mentioned the files going "over ethernet" to another machine with a 
> CD(or
> was it DVD, don't recall at the moment) burner which means she 
> either
> has an upgraded mac, a newer mac, or a PC, all of which are probably 
> going
> to encode the file faster just through brute force.


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Re: 840av

[victoria Duggan]

> I think part of the reason this came up was that in her initial post, she
> mentioned the files going "over ethernet" to another machine with a CD(or
> was it DVD, don't recall at the moment) burner which means she either
> has an upgraded mac, a newer mac, or a PC, all of which are probably going
> to encode the file faster just through brute force.
> 
Hi NO I DID NOT! mention anything about any other Mac I asked if there was
any better app than apple video player to render video.

As it happens I do transfer the files via ethernet to my Ibook then burn
them to cd but this is a Quad list and the ibook part is not the part I
wanted to know about,

It was the 840 AV involvement to capture the raw video from camcorder.


Anyway to put this thread to bed now I have received a lot of advice off
list about things to do so Thanks to all that sent me the bits .


Victoria.


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Re: Chat Software

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At 14:40 -0400 on 19/01/03, Jeff L. wrote:

>I am looking for Yahoo Messenger or alternative that will work on a Mac
>Quadra 650, with OS 7.5.5 and Open Transport 1.1.2.
>
>I would also appreciate any sort of multichat tool that combines AIM, Yahoo,
>ICQ, and possibly IRC together.  This too needs to work /w a 68040 running
>OS 7.5.5.

There aren't any multi-protocol clients for anything under OS X, AFAIK.

The only two chat protocols supported on 68Ks other than IRC are AOL IM and ICQ.
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Chat Software

[Jeff L.]

Hello all,

I am looking for Yahoo Messenger or alternative that will work on a Mac
Quadra 650, with OS 7.5.5 and Open Transport 1.1.2.

I would also appreciate any sort of multichat tool that combines AIM, Yahoo,
ICQ, and possibly IRC together.  This too needs to work /w a 68040 running
OS 7.5.5.

All help appreciated!

JeffL

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Re: Quadra 610 PDS DOS Card in other '040s?

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At 11:17 -0800 on 19/01/03, E McCann wrote:

>>At 19:26 -0800 on 17/01/03, Kris Jones wrote:
>>
>> >Unfortunately the card is '040 PDS. I've heard that the card can be used in
>> >other '040s, which would fix everything since I also just purchased a Quadra
>> >950 (I've wanted one since they came out!!!).
>
>
>I don't recall right offhand if it's the same one that fits in the 660A/Vs,

The 660AV PDS is different from the 610 PDS.  However, there are probably angle
adapters for the 660AV PDS that turn it into a normal 040 PDS slot.
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Re: 840av

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At 09:46 AM 1/19/2003, the pickle typed thusly:

>At 09:41 -0800 on 19/01/03, James S Jones wrote:
>
> >Quadra, Quadra, Quadra! This is the Quadlist, not the G-List, X4U, or
> >the Eagle Scout attorney-badge list.
>
>It's about damn time someone else realised this.  Thanks, James.


I think part of the reason this came up was that in her initial post, she 
mentioned the files going "over ethernet" to another machine with a CD(or 
was it DVD, don't recall at the moment) burner which means she either 
has an upgraded mac, a newer mac, or a PC, all of which are probably going 
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Re: Quadra 610 PDS DOS Card in other '040s?

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>At 19:26 -0800 on 17/01/03, Kris Jones wrote:
>
> >Unfortunately the card is '040 PDS. I've heard that the card can be used in
> >other '040s, which would fix everything since I also just purchased a Quadra
> >950 (I've wanted one since they came out!!!).


I don't recall right offhand if it's the same one that fits in the 660A/Vs, 
but I pulled one (spare) out of its angle bracket, and removed the endplate 
- it fit a Q700's PDS slot, though it (just barely) doesn't fit the Q700's 
case. I recall a site saying someone had put them in, but he had to butcher 
the inside "framing" of the case top (er, side) to get it to fit.


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Re: Quadra 610 PDS DOS Card in other '040s?

[PeterH5322]

<<
Does anyone have any experience using one of these cards in something other 
than a Q610?
>>

The other versions of that card incorporate the very same card, but add an 
extender for the (single) connector, which extender also provides some 
mechanical support for the card.

As the connectors are readily available, you could make your own functional 
extender, using a blank NuBus slot cover. The card wouldn't be as well 
supported, but it would function as well.

The connections are one-to-one.


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Re: 840av

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At 12:31 -0600 on 19/01/03, zhmmy harper wrote:

>Because people here sell and swap all kinds of stuff, not just quad.

No.

They don't.

If you think they do after all the discussion in the last 24 hours about HOW
THIS IS NOT REMOTELY RELEVANT, then you - and I mean this in the most polite
way possible - need to have your head examined.

At the very least you need to go re-read the list FAQ at

http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml

and don't post anything else until you've fully read and understood it.

Paul, didn't you say this guy had his warning already?
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Re: 840av

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Because people here sell and swap all kinds of stuff, not just quad.

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At 12:12 -0600 on 19/01/03, zhmmy harper wrote:

 >No, but it will on my G4.

THEN WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT HERE?

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Re: 840av

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At 12:12 -0600 on 19/01/03, zhmmy harper wrote:

>No, but it will on my G4.

THEN WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT HERE?

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Re: 840av

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No, but it will on my G4.  I'm not using my Q950 for A/V--too slow.

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At 11:55 -0600 on 19/01/03, zhmmy harper wrote:

 >Oh, ok, you bought a Divideon?  I'm glad you pointed me there because they
 >really sound great and I'll probably get one.  Thanks.

Do those work on Quads?
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Re: 840av

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At 11:55 -0600 on 19/01/03, zhmmy harper wrote:

>Oh, ok, you bought a Divideon?  I'm glad you pointed me there because they
>really sound great and I'll probably get one.  Thanks.

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Re: 840av

[zhmmy harper]

Oh, ok, you bought a Divideon?  I'm glad you pointed me there because they 
really sound great and I'll probably get one.  Thanks.






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On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 09:09 PM, zhmmy harper wrote:

 > I got out of the loop.  You had one what for your Flat Panel Mac?
 > What did
 > you ship back?  What is a Formac Studio?  Thanks.
 >
 > I had one for my Flat Panel Mac.Never got the video and audio to
 > sync.  Froze my 9.2.2 and OSX.  Just all around unhappy with it.
 > Shipped it back and bought a Formac Studio using firewire.  Much, much
 > happier and my hair is growing back.  USB for video/audio=bad...IMHO.
 >
 > Jack
 >

I had a Belkin USB VideoBusII as referenced in the original message.
Formac Studio is located at http://www.formac.com

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Re: 840av

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At 09:41 -0800 on 19/01/03, James S Jones wrote:

>Quadra, Quadra, Quadra! This is the Quadlist, not the G-List, X4U, or
>the Eagle Scout attorney-badge list.

It's about damn time someone else realised this.  Thanks, James.
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Re: 840av

[the pickle]

At 16:07 -0600 on 18/01/03, zhmmy harper wrote:

>Software companies don't want either of those things to happen, as it means
>the recipient of the second-hand software is not going to bother buying new
>software from the software companies.  I'm not going to be a hypocrit and

Which is a load of horsepucky, because most of the time that people around
*HERE* are looking for used software, they're only doing so because the company
REFUSES TO SELL A VERSION THAT WILL WORK ON MACHINES RELEVANT TO THIS LIST.

Note the last five words of the above sentence.

If I see one more post about why thus-and-so won't work on an iMac running
9.2.2 I'm gonna break some heads.

If you don't have morals, that's your own damn fault, but don't tell the rest
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Re: Quadra 610 PDS DOS Card in other '040s?

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At 21:22 -0500 on 18/01/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I'm not certain, but if it's a PDS slot, I think you can put an Apple IIe
>compatibility card in it.

Only if it's LC PDS, which the 040 PDS most certainly isn't.
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Re: 840av

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Quadra, Quadra, Quadra! This is the Quadlist, not the G-List, X4U, or 
the Eagle Scout attorney-badge list.

USB devices, OS versions after 8.1, FireWire and iMovie are N O T among 
the options available to Victoria. Victoria's options are limited to 
those that will run on a 68040 AV Mac*.

Victoria:

Everything to do with video on your AV Mac is based on QuickTime. You 
haven't said what version you have installed. Compression speed might 
be helped by using a different version of QuickTime or installing one 
of several hardware accelerators that plug into the AV slot, such as 
the various Spigot cards.

Other (QT based) software that can be used to capture and/or compress 
video include such things as Avid VideoShop 3, Adobe Premiere 4.2, 
Fusion Recorder, etc. The best thing to do is learn about the Q840AV, 
what it can and can't do and what resources are available to you.

There are several good articles on the 840AV and its capabilities on 
. Search for 840AV. There is also a web site devoted 
to the AV Macs at UC Berkeley: 
. And, there is a mail 
list devoted exclusively to AV Mac issues, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
You may be able to subscribe to that list by sending it a message with 
just "subscribe" (without the quote marks) in the subject and body. If 
that doesn't work, instructions are found in the AV Mac FAQ and/or one 
or more of the Low End Mac 840AV articles and links.
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On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 06:35  AM, Jack Gallemore wrote:

> As I stated earlier, I never had any luck with the VBII.  I'm using a
> Flat Panel Mac with 768MB of RAM and it, too rendered my Mac useless
> and at times completely froze up while trying both 9.2.2 and 10.1.  I
> recommend saving up for a firewire solution, but as far as software is
> concerned, I can't help there.  I use iMovie which works fine for me.


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Re: Quadra 610 PDS DOS Card in other '040s?

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At 19:26 -0800 on 17/01/03, Kris Jones wrote:

>Unfortunately the card is '040 PDS. I've heard that the card can be used in
>other '040s, which would fix everything since I also just purchased a Quadra
>950 (I've wanted one since they came out!!!).
>
>Does anyone have any experience using one of these cards in something other
>than a Q610?

I once saw a WWW page that had info about using one in a 650; try googling for
it.  Sorry I can't be of more help than that, but I know it definitely works.
The biggest problem is cabling, because the 610s are the only ones where the
card actually sits against the back panel.  Running cables into the case for
the others (as the 040 PDS isn't always accessible from the outside) can be
problematic.

>Also, other than the DOS Compat. card or an accelerator is there anything
>else I can put in an '040 PDS slot?

I know of one video card, and the WGS95 had a SCSI card in the PDS, but other
than that I haven't heard of anything.
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Re: 840av

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On Sunday, Jan 19, 2003, at 10:17 Europe/London, victoria.duggan wrote:

> Hi All I did was plug in the video lead from the camcorder and start 
> apple
> video player and the mac does the rest.
>  It gives me two control panels, video and video selection with s-video
> /stero/ video.
>
> I just choose the one I have my device plugged into. My only question 
> was is
> there a faster one because my 840AV is rendered useless whilst doing 
> video.

I'm afraid that fact it is only a 68040/40MHz means, despite the AT&T 
66.7MHz DSP chip, that it needs all it's power to digitize video. The 
vast majority of the CPU time consumed is actually I/O from the RAM to 
the disk that it is recording to. Either way you will still not be able 
to use it if you use Adobe Premiere 2, 3, or 4, Avid Videoshop or 
anything else. It's the actual process of digitizing and saving to disk 
that is taking up all the CPU cycles, not Apple's software, which use 
very few CPU cycles on an 840av when it is just displaying video from 
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Re: 840av

[Mark Benson]

My advice is that if you have an iMac or something for burning or even 
a 604e PowerMac that you capture raw files on the 840av and then copy 
them over ethernet to the better machine and compress them on there. 
The time is probably comparable to what it takes to compress MPEG on an 
840av, and you can watch the video for proofing straight after you have 
compressed it. It is also easier to find the speed and disk space 
required on newer machines for multiple, copies of one file.

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Re: 840av

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Victoria,

As I stated earlier, I never had any luck with the VBII.  I'm using a 
Flat Panel Mac with 768MB of RAM and it, too rendered my Mac useless 
and at times completely froze up while trying both 9.2.2 and 10.1.  I 
recommend saving up for a firewire solution, but as far as software is 
concerned, I can't help there.  I use iMovie which works fine for me.

Jack

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> Hi All I did was plug in the video lead from the camcorder and start 
> apple
> video player and the mac does the rest.
>  It gives me two control panels, video and video selection with s-video
> /stero/ video.
>
> I just choose the one I have my device plugged into. My only question 
> was is
> there a faster one because my 840AV is rendered useless whilst doing 
> video.
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Re: 840av

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On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 09:09 PM, zhmmy harper wrote:

> I got out of the loop.  You had one what for your Flat Panel Mac?  
> What did
> you ship back?  What is a Formac Studio?  Thanks.
>
> I had one for my Flat Panel Mac.Never got the video and audio to
> sync.  Froze my 9.2.2 and OSX.  Just all around unhappy with it.
> Shipped it back and bought a Formac Studio using firewire.  Much, much
> happier and my hair is growing back.  USB for video/audio=bad...IMHO.
>
> Jack
>

I had a Belkin USB VideoBusII as referenced in the original message.  
Formac Studio is located at http://www.formac.com

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Re: 840av

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Hi All I did was plug in the video lead from the camcorder and start apple
video player and the mac does the rest.
 It gives me two control panels, video and video selection with s-video
/stero/ video.

I just choose the one I have my device plugged into. My only question was is
there a faster one because my 840AV is rendered useless whilst doing video. 


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