Re: [q] Sonnet QuadDoubler

[Daniel Palka]

On Feb 23, 2005, at 4:48 AM, Sparky 191 wrote:
Why is a 800 not great for web. Is it just too slow?
It is very very slow if you use a somewhat modern browser (Like IE 4 or 
Netscape 4 or iCab).

However I still use mine for web browsing when I'm at my secondary 
home.  I do not use the latest browser that will work, however.  I use 
good old Internet Explorer 2.0  It runs really fast on Quadras (!!!) 
and doesnt barrage you with annoying errors like Netscape.  Internet 
Explorer 2.0 is pretty stable.  The one reason why most people would 
never consider using it is it displays web pages terribly (it was 
written in 1996 after all).  BUT it is good enough to read the 
information and see the graphics on web pages.  Just not good enough to 
arrange everything right.  If this is satisfactory to you, then I 
suggest Internet Explorer 2.0.  It also runs on system 7.1.x which I 
like because it is faster booting than 7.1 and up.

I like to keep in mind that I'm using a Quadra for gods sakes and I 
don't really need to use all the snazziest latest stuff on that 
computer.  I have a G4 for that.

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Re: [q] Sonnet QuadDoubler

[setient]

sorta they take a while to run anything.  i have a quadra 660av about 
the same speed takes a while to do things on it.  also my quadra 840av 
is slow too even though it is supposidely the fastest m68k
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:48:09 +
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Why is a 800 not great for web. Is it just too slow?
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Re: [q] Sonnet QuadDoubler

[Tina Holm]

At 10:48 + 23/02/05, Sparky 191 wrote:
Why is a 800 not great for web. Is it just too slow?
Yes, I think most people would find it too slow for web, also 
available/useable, and up-to-date browsers are not really available 
IMO.

That was why I gave up my Q800, like 5 year ago. Most stable and 
reliable Mac I ever had, it ran like 18 hours a day, w. sys 7.5.3 r2, 
tons of obscure extensions, 48 mb ram and RamDoubler. Had at least 2 
browsers, email, 1-2 wysiwyg html editors and Photoshop running all 
day, all times, and it hardly ever crashed on me, maybe one day a 
week I had to close all apps down and Restart.

Nice little fella :-)
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Re: [q] Sonnet QuadDoubler

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Re: [q] Sonnet QuadDoubler

[Daniel Palka]

Yes it makes a tremendous difference.
I use my Quadra 900 (with QuadDoubler) for everything at my second 
home.  Chat, email, light web browsing, word processing, etc...  it is 
a busy bee indeed

A Quadra 800 is fine for email.  Not too great for web browsing.  Yes 
you can connect it to your home network (ethernet).  You cannot use a 
QuadDoubler in a Quadra 800.

On Feb 23, 2005, at 2:58 AM, Sparky 191 wrote:
Does the Sonnet QuadDoubler  make a significant difference?
What do people use their Quadras for?
Is a Quadra 800 too slow for web access and email? I'm wondering can I
hook it up to my broadband ethernet router.

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[q] Sonnet QuadDoubler

[Sparky 191]

Does the Sonnet QuadDoubler  make a significant difference?

What do people use their Quadras for?

Is a Quadra 800 too slow for web access and email? I'm wondering can I
hook it up to my broadband ethernet router.

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Re: QuadDoubler

[the pickle]

At 20:23 -0500 on 27/12/02, Dan Knight wrote:

>Dan Palka writes:
>
>>Well I'll tell you all it was NOT worth the incredible price I paid for all
>>of this stuff.
>>
>>I did not buy it on ebay because I hate ebay.  Instead I bought them from a
>>reseller.  This QuadDoubler with warrantee in a Centris 650 board and 128
>>megs of RAM cost me about $200.  And the damn thing doesnt even work in the
>>Q800.
>
>The Sonnet QuadDoubler was a very clever hack with one significant
>drawback: It had to be specifically designed for a single computer. There
>was a 40/80 MHz model for the Centris 610, a 50/100 for the Quadra 610,
>and a different 50/100 for the Centris 650. Other ones for the Quadra
>610, 660av, 700, and 900 have been discontinued.

There isn't any good reason that a model designed for a 25 MHz Mac can't run in
*any* 25 MHz Mac, except for physical fit reasons (like why the cache modules
for the 700 won't work in a 605 with LC PDS cards installed), unless Sonnet
specifically designed them *not* to work...

Thus the one that works in the C650 ought to work in the 610s, 660avs, 700, and
900, but nothing is ever gonna work in the 800 and 950.
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Re: QuadDoubler

[Dan Knight]

Dan Palka writes:

>Well I'll tell you all it was NOT worth the incredible price I paid for all
>of this stuff.
>
>I did not buy it on ebay because I hate ebay.  Instead I bought them from a
>reseller.  This QuadDoubler with warrantee in a Centris 650 board and 128
>megs of RAM cost me about $200.  And the damn thing doesnt even work in the
>Q800.

The Sonnet QuadDoubler was a very clever hack with one significant 
drawback: It had to be specifically designed for a single computer. There 
was a 40/80 MHz model for the Centris 610, a 50/100 for the Quadra 610, 
and a different 50/100 for the Centris 650. Other ones for the Quadra 
610, 660av, 700, and 900 have been discontinued.

The clever thing is the way it doubled the normal clock speed and 
provided about 80-90% more horsepower. The sad thing is that Motorola 
never got the '040 to the point where they could revise the QuadDoubler 
for a 33 MHz Quadra 650 or 800 -- let alone the stunningly cool 840av.

Before spending $200 on a computer upgrade, do enough research to make 
sure it will work in your computer. Worse yet, you could have bought one 
for $99.95 direct from Sonnet

<http://www.sonnettech.com/product/pricelist.html#qdoubler>



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Re(2): QuadDoubler

[the pickle]

At 23:25 -0600 on 24/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>Well I'll get that to you then in the next couple of days.  Meanwhile you can
>all see the Speedometer Results in jpg format here:
>
>http://www.palkasoft.net/graph.jpg
>
>And to clear thi ngs up, yes it is the Centris 650 board with the QuadDoubler
>in it.  But I thought that was already established.

>From the original message, it sounded like you had the C650 board by itself
running a lot faster *without* the QD installed, but that clears it up.

Never mind 'bout that scan :)
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Re(2): QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

Well I'll get that to you then in the next couple of days.  Meanwhile you can
all see the Speedometer Results in jpg format here:

http://www.palkasoft.net/graph.jpg

And to clear thi ngs up, yes it is the Centris 650 board with the QuadDoubler
in it.  But I thought that was already established.

 -- From: Quadlist, Tue, Dec 24, 2002 -- 

I still want to see a scan of that board.  If your benchmark results are
correct, that 650 board is running about 50% faster than it's "supposed" to
be.


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Quaddoubler

[dana sibera]

>> It shouldn't be benchmarking faster if it's a C650.
>> It should be benchmarking
>> about 30% slower.
>
> Well its benchmarking (and simply is working) immensely faster.

That's the C650 board with quaddoubler, benchmarking faster than the 
normal Q800 right?.

Just to be clear on things :) (assuming it is a C650 board)

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Re(3): QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[Dan Palka]

Well its benchmarking (and simply is working) immensely faster.

Merry Christmas to all.

 -- From: Quadlist, Tue, Dec 24, 2002 -- 

It shouldn't be benchmarking faster if it's a C650.  It should be benchmarking
about 30% slower.


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Re: QuadDoubler

[the pickle]

At 12:16 -0600 on 24/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>I still don't know what I'm going to do about MicroMac.  Should I call them?
>Complain?

Well, it *was* guaranteed to work in *yours*, which it didn't, so you have a
legitimate reason to send it back and request your $200 back...

I still want to see a scan of that board.  If your benchmark results are
correct, that 650 board is running about 50% faster than it's "supposed" to be.
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Re: Re(2): QuadDoubler results are in!!!

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At 08:07 -0700 on 24/12/02, J Sand wrote:

>I downloaded a program called "Mactracker", but I think it is more of a
>database, than machine level diagnostics to determine the specs.

That's precisely what it is, and its system requirements are why I still prefer
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Re(2): QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[the pickle]

At 22:57 -0600 on 23/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>This must be what I have then because It has 4mb of onboard ram not 8, and no
>AAUI

It shouldn't be benchmarking faster if it's a C650.  It should be benchmarking
about 30% slower.
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Re(2): QuadDoubler results are in!!!

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At 22:56 -0600 on 23/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>Is there a downloadable program to actually tell me what kind of computer I
>have?

There are a lot that will read the gestalt ID; Apple System Profiler is
probably the most reliable at translating that to a machine name but it doesn't
work well on 68Ks unless you're running 8.1.

MacEnvy and TattleTech are great for extracting the gestalt ID, and putting
that along with "gestalt ID" into the search engine in the Apple knowledge base
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Re: QuadDoubler

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> In my opinion, the QuadDoubler is not much more than
> a curiosity


It amazes me that they still insist on selling these things for as much as
they do.  They ought to be giving them away these days...

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Re: QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

Well I'll tell you all it was NOT worth the incredible price I paid for all
of this stuff.

I did not buy it on ebay because I hate ebay.  Instead I bought them from a
reseller.  This QuadDoubler with warrantee in a Centris 650 board and 128
megs of RAM cost me about $200.  And the damn thing doesnt even work in the
Q800.

No it was not worth it all.  Thank god I have money to waste.

I still don't know what I'm going to do about MicroMac.  Should I call them?
Complain?

DONT BUY FROM MICROMAC

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> I was glad to read of Dan's success with his 'doubler. I share his mixed
> feelings, though. It seems to me that the performance bump you get from these
> things is not worth the trouble or expense of dealing with them. If you can
> get one cheap (under $30-40) and don't expect miracles, go ahead. But the fact
> is that you can get a PPC upgrade for most Quads for $60-80 on eBay and really
> get a performance boost. In my opinion, the QuadDoubler is not much more than
> a curiosity


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Re: QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[PsycoPunkn]

It is DEFINITELY a Centris 650 board.  You dont need to double check, it will be a 
waste of time, because it is DEFINITELY a Centris 650.
Anyway, Im interested in this accelerator that will work in a Quadra 950.  Does it 
plug into the processor slot or the PDS slot?

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Re: QuadDoubler

[Robert J. Johansen]

Dear Quadraphiles:

Sorry I'm coming late to this party, but this time of year is pretty busy for
us clergy-types, so I've been behind on my e-mail. 

The pickle alluded to my experience with QuadDoublers yesterday when he wrote:

> If it has its own clock generator (where's Rob Johanssen when you need him?)
> then it should work just fine.

The Pickle and I had a look over a QuadDoubler-type gadget (see below) last
summer. 

QuadDoublers DO NOT have their own clock chips. They do exactly what the name
implies, double the clock speed (bus speed) of the main oscillator. They have
a little chip on them which effects this. 

The only gadget I'm aware of with it's own clock generator is something made
by Newer Tech in the early 90's for the Q950, which will run that machine at
50 mHz. It has its own Motorola clock generator chip which is programmable to
1.33, 1.5, and 2.0 times the oscillator frequency. It also has what appears to
be its own on-board cache. The CPU has an integral cooling fan on its
heatsink. I have tried that in my 950, and it did boot and report a speed of
50mHz. However, I could not get it to run stably under OS 7.6.1. It brought up
all kinds of strange errors, bombs and hangs. Furthermore, the software that
came with it did not appear to function. I have always meant to experiment
with backing the OS down to 7.5 or 7.1, and putting scrupulously tested 60 ns
RAM in it, but this 950 is heavily used and I just haven't gotten around to
that project yet. 

I've tried QuadDoublers in several different machines, with mixed results. I
have tried running one in my Q950, and it's not a matter of overheating: the
thing won't even start up. You just can't get that thing to run at 66 mHz. It
will work in a Q700. I even put it into a Q605 for grins, and it worked OK
there, though you couldn't close the case back up. It was kind of neat playing
Doom II for an hour or so on that 605 cooking along at 50 mHz. 

I was glad to read of Dan's success with his 'doubler. I share his mixed
feelings, though. It seems to me that the performance bump you get from these
things is not worth the trouble or expense of dealing with them. If you can
get one cheap (under $30-40) and don't expect miracles, go ahead. But the fact
is that you can get a PPC upgrade for most Quads for $60-80 on eBay and really
get a performance boost. In my opinion, the QuadDoubler is not much more than
a curiosity. 

Pax,

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Re: Re(2): QuadDoubler results are in!!!

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I downloaded a program called "Mactracker", but I think it is more of a  
database, than machine level diagnostics to determine the specs.

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Re: QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[John Laughlin]

>They both had Ethernet on-board, and neither would benchmark faster in
>Speedometer.

Er, not necessarily.  Remember, the 4MB Centris 650 doesn't have ethernet,
or a full '040.  So, there's a GOOD chance that the board Dan has is the
base Centris 650 board.
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Re: Re(2): QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[P . F . Grenier]

On Monday, Dec 23, 2002, at 23:56 US/Eastern, Dan Palka wrote:

> Is there a downloadable program to actually tell me what kind of 
> computer I
> have?
>
>  -- From: Quadlist, Mon, Dec 23, 2002 --
>
>
> The Quadra 800=Quadra 650 and very similar to the Centris 650, could
> that be what you have?
>
>

Download Mactracker and read the LEM profiles.
Here is the OS 8-9 version:
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Re(2): QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[Dan Palka]

This must be what I have then because It has 4mb of onboard ram not 8, and no
AAUI

 -- From: Quadlist, Mon, Dec 23, 2002 -- 

Early Centris 650's didn't have the AAUI and only had 4MB ram on board.


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Re(2): QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[Dan Palka]

Is there a downloadable program to actually tell me what kind of computer I
have?

 -- From: Quadlist, Mon, Dec 23, 2002 -- 


The Quadra 800=Quadra 650 and very similar to the Centris 650, could 
that be what you have?


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Re: QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[P . F . Grenier]

On Monday, Dec 23, 2002, at 22:32 US/Eastern, the pickle wrote:

> At 22:28 -0500 on 23/12/02, P.F.Grenier wrote:
>
>> On Monday, Dec 23, 2002, at 22:03 US/Eastern, the pickle wrote:
>>
>>> At 13:52 -0600 on 23/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:
>>>
 On close inspection, I was rather surpirsed that whatever 
 motherboard
 MicroMac
 sent me is an exact replica of the Quadra 800 motherboard, EXCEPT 
 for
 a couple
 of chips missing...
>>>
>>> Got a scanner?
>>> --
>>>
>>> the pickle
>>>
>>
>> The Quadra 800=Quadra 650 and very similar to the Centris 650, could
>> that be what you have?
>
> They both had Ethernet on-board, and neither would benchmark faster in
> Speedometer.
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Re: QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[the pickle]

At 22:28 -0500 on 23/12/02, P.F.Grenier wrote:

>On Monday, Dec 23, 2002, at 22:03 US/Eastern, the pickle wrote:
>
>> At 13:52 -0600 on 23/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:
>>
>>> On close inspection, I was rather surpirsed that whatever motherboard
>>> MicroMac
>>> sent me is an exact replica of the Quadra 800 motherboard, EXCEPT for
>>> a couple
>>> of chips missing...
>>
>> Got a scanner?
>> --
>>
>> the pickle
>>
>
>The Quadra 800=Quadra 650 and very similar to the Centris 650, could
>that be what you have?

They both had Ethernet on-board, and neither would benchmark faster in
Speedometer.
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Re: QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[P . F . Grenier]

On Monday, Dec 23, 2002, at 22:03 US/Eastern, the pickle wrote:

> At 13:52 -0600 on 23/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:
>
>> On close inspection, I was rather surpirsed that whatever motherboard 
>> MicroMac
>> sent me is an exact replica of the Quadra 800 motherboard, EXCEPT for 
>> a couple
>> of chips missing...
>
> Got a scanner?
> -- 
>
> the pickle
>

The Quadra 800=Quadra 650 and very similar to the Centris 650, could 
that be what you have?


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Re: QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[the pickle]

At 13:52 -0600 on 23/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>On close inspection, I was rather surpirsed that whatever motherboard MicroMac
>sent me is an exact replica of the Quadra 800 motherboard, EXCEPT for a couple
>of chips missing...

Got a scanner?
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Re: QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[PsycoPunkn]

Yes, the Centris 650 board with 50MHz 68040 you have seems to outperform 
a Quadra 800.  However, a Quadra 800 can be clock chipped to 44MHz, or 48MHz 
if you dont need the serial ports.  That processor speed combined with an 
equivelant bus speed, however, may outperform a 50MHz 68040 on a 25MHz bus.  
And though it would take some soldering, if you have the correct solder and a 
soldering iron, would only cost $5.  That being said, you may be able to bumb 
the speed of the MicroMac to 55MHz, give or take.

Chris

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QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[Dan Palka]

I know everybodys just DYING to hear the results of the QuadDoubler.  I have
mixed feelings about it.  Here they are:

Well the QuadDoubler came in the mail today.  Surprise surprise it doesn't
work in the Quadra 800.

However it does work in the motherboard they sent me.

On close inspection, I was rather surpirsed that whatever motherboard MicroMac
sent me is an exact replica of the Quadra 800 motherboard, EXCEPT for a couple
of chips missing...

There is no onboard network jack (which i know all 800s had), therefore it is
missing the Sonic chip as well (theres just a blank square on the mystery
motherboard).  MicroMac was thoughtful enough to randomly send a nice Nubus
ethernet card though, which has the strange Apple Connector on it, as well as
the missing Sonic chip.  So i'm gussing that card was originally made to just
give the mystery motherboard all of the identical onboard networking
capeabilities as the 800.

It is also missing 8 of the chips labled "U".  So I'm guessing that those are
the onboard RAM, which would explain why the mystery motherboard has about 4
megs less ram than the Q800 when the same ram sticks are installed in each.

Now as you can imagine I was getting P-Oed.  The 800 motherboard wouldnt boot
with the QuadDoubler as some of you said it wouldnt.

Now I was just about ready to pack all this back up for MicroMac, but decided
to load all the RAM and VRAM from the 800 motherboard onto the mystery
motherboard and give it a run in the Quadra 800 case.

Before I did this I ran the full Speedometer tests on the 800.  I really
wanted to know how much of a difference this thing was.  So I saved the tests
and did the board swap.

After booting up from the mystery board, I ran speedometer again.

WOW.  The speed of this mystery board was immensely different from the Quadra
800 motherboard.  Speedometer reported results I would consider fairly
significant.  In fact, every single Speedometer test (it runs 26 different
tests for various parts of the computer) was faster on the mystery motherboard
than on the 800, except for two.  8 bit and 16 bit video are slightly slower
on the mystery board than on the 800.  But the rest of the video is faster as
well as the rest of all the tests.

To just make sure for myself, I ran the only program I had that ran slow on
the old Quadra 800 board.  MpegDec.  It was very important to me that my
Quadra play mp3s.  I have a lot of them.  And the Quadra 800 didnt do it very
well, even with a downsample of 2 of and quality 2 setting within MpegDec. 
And the Quadra simply WOULD not do it with a downsample of only 1, even with a
quality of only 1.

MpegDec plays my Mp3s absolutely perfectly with a downsample of 1 and quality
2 (the highest, and usually slowest settings for mpegdec, this setting usually
froze up the 33mhz Quadra 800 board.) on the mystery motherboard.  That was
enough for me.

So now the board is happily speeding along as i type this.

I decided I'm going to keep his processor and board.  Maybe it was a
misunderstanding?  After all he had a heavy german accent.  I don't know what
I should do about MicroMac, but I do know I will NEVER buy anything from
MicroMac again, and I advise you dont either.


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Re: Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler WONT WORK!!!

[Dan Palka]

Well again I'll cross my fingers.

Boy oh boy will I be pd if it doesn't work though.  Its supposed to be a
Christmas gift to me from someone else, ordered through me.

Not only that, I'll just be pd because I hate having my time wasted by
other people's stupidity.

And a week is a LONNG time to be wasted = extra pd.

I hope not only for my sake, but for the sake of MicroMac Corporation that
this thing works.

It comes in today.  All will be revealed shortly

(PS I sent this twice because the first time I had the clock on my G3 set
back 6 months so I can still use my evaluation copy of Photoshop 7.  This
email should be fine.)
> 
> on 12/23/02 1:03 AM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> At 21:30 -0600 on 22/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know who to belive anymore.  I got people on one side telling me it
>>> won't work, people telling me it *could* work, people telling me it will
>>> definetly work, and one guy that gave me a guarantee and warantee on it that
>> 
>> I suspect Chris is right, and it derives its onboard clock from the onboard
>> clock of the computer it's installed in, which would indeed make it run at 66
>> MHz in a Q800, which is never going to work.
>> 
>> If it has its own clock generator (where's Rob Johanssen when you need him?)
>> then it should work just fine.
>> 
>> Of course, since you have a warranty on it, I guess *their* stupidity is
>> probably covered by it ;)  If it were me and I had paid for the part and
>> *didn't* have a warranty, I certainly wouldn't do anything until I had
>> determined whether or not it generated its own clock signal.
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Re: Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler WONT WORK!!!

[Dan Palka]

Well again I'll cross my fingers.

Boy oh boy will I be pd if it doesn't work though.  Its supposed to be a
Christmas gift to me from someone else, ordered through me.

Not only that, I'll just be pd because I hate having my time wasted by
other people's stupidity.

And a week is a LONNG time to be wasted = extra pd.

I hope not only for my sake, but for the sake of MicroMac Corporation that
this thing works.

It comes in today.  All will be revealed shortly

on 12/23/02 1:03 AM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> At 21:30 -0600 on 22/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:
> 
>> I don't know who to belive anymore.  I got people on one side telling me it
>> won't work, people telling me it *could* work, people telling me it will
>> definetly work, and one guy that gave me a guarantee and warantee on it that
> 
> I suspect Chris is right, and it derives its onboard clock from the onboard
> clock of the computer it's installed in, which would indeed make it run at 66
> MHz in a Q800, which is never going to work.
> 
> If it has its own clock generator (where's Rob Johanssen when you need him?)
> then it should work just fine.
> 
> Of course, since you have a warranty on it, I guess *their* stupidity is
> probably covered by it ;)  If it were me and I had paid for the part and
> *didn't* have a warranty, I certainly wouldn't do anything until I had
> determined whether or not it generated its own clock signal.


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Re: Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler WONT WORK!!!

[Mark Benson]

On Monday, Dec 23, 2002, at 03:30 Europe/London, Dan Palka wrote:

> I don't know who to belive anymore.  I got people on one side telling 
> me it
> won't work, people telling me it *could* work, people telling me it 
> will
> definetly work, and one guy that gave me a guarantee and warantee on 
> it that
> it will work

There's no way it'll work (just to throw another hat in the ring) as 
it's designed for 20 and 25MHz Quadras. Anything faster than that and 
you will likely kill the CPU within seconds if it even boots.

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Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler WONT WORK!!!

[the pickle]

At 21:30 -0600 on 22/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>I don't know who to belive anymore.  I got people on one side telling me it
>won't work, people telling me it *could* work, people telling me it will
>definetly work, and one guy that gave me a guarantee and warantee on it that

I suspect Chris is right, and it derives its onboard clock from the onboard
clock of the computer it's installed in, which would indeed make it run at 66
MHz in a Q800, which is never going to work.

If it has its own clock generator (where's Rob Johanssen when you need him?)
then it should work just fine.

Of course, since you have a warranty on it, I guess *their* stupidity is
probably covered by it ;)  If it were me and I had paid for the part and
*didn't* have a warranty, I certainly wouldn't do anything until I had
determined whether or not it generated its own clock signal.
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Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler WONT WORK!!!

[Dan Palka]

I don't know who to belive anymore.  I got people on one side telling me it
won't work, people telling me it *could* work, people telling me it will
definetly work, and one guy that gave me a guarantee and warantee on it that
it will work

AHHH!

I guess we'll all just have to wait in suspense until it comes in.

 -- From: Quadlist, Sun, Dec 22, 2002 -- 

At 21:49 -0500 on 22/12/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>    The QuadDoubler WILL NOT WORK in a Quadra 800.  The QuadDoubler doubles
>the bus speed of the computer it is installed in.  That would run it at 66MHz
>in the Quadra 800.  That just wont happen.  The only way to get it to work is
>to decrease the bus speed or seriously cool it (66MHz could probably use some
>water cooling).  Decreasing the bus speed would decrease performance.  The

There's no way in hell you'll ever get a 40 MHz part working at 66 MHz with
water cooling.  You *might* get it working *a little bit* with liquid N2.

>board they are sending you is most likely a Centris 650, which runs at 25MHz
>but is very similar to a Quadra 800 board.

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Re: Question the QuadDoubler WONT WORK!!!

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At 21:49 -0500 on 22/12/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>The QuadDoubler WILL NOT WORK in a Quadra 800.  The QuadDoubler doubles
>the bus speed of the computer it is installed in.  That would run it at 66MHz
>in the Quadra 800.  That just wont happen.  The only way to get it to work is
>to decrease the bus speed or seriously cool it (66MHz could probably use some
>water cooling).  Decreasing the bus speed would decrease performance.  The

There's no way in hell you'll ever get a 40 MHz part working at 66 MHz with
water cooling.  You *might* get it working *a little bit* with liquid N2.

>board they are sending you is most likely a Centris 650, which runs at 25MHz
>but is very similar to a Quadra 800 board.

You could downclock the Q800 board pretty easily...
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Re: Question the QuadDoubler WONT WORK!!!

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The QuadDoubler WILL NOT WORK in a Quadra 800.  The QuadDoubler doubles 
the bus speed of the computer it is installed in.  That would run it at 66MHz 
in the Quadra 800.  That just wont happen.  The only way to get it to work is 
to decrease the bus speed or seriously cool it (66MHz could probably use some 
water cooling).  Decreasing the bus speed would decrease performance.  The 
board they are sending you is most likely a Centris 650, which runs at 25MHz 
but is very similar to a Quadra 800 board.
Bottom line, return it and never try to get it to work, unless you want 
to spend a couple hundred on a water cooling system.  Check out this link if 
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Re: PowerTalk [was] Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

[Michael Dawe]

on 20/12/2002, "J Sand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My Centris 610 only has 7.1 OS on it, will I need to upgrade to at least
> 7.5.3 OS to use the features you mentioned for PowerTalk?

It shipped with 7.1.1 (System 7 Pro) and was installed by default with that
OS. By 7.5 it was an "install it if you want to" option.

As mentioned before, the DL of 7.5.3 at Apple doesn't contain it.
But if you want to try PowerTalk, you can FTP it from Apple, here:



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Re(5): Question the QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

Well most people I know don't use those things, but your answers are, in order
they were asked:

Yes.
Not Sure.
Not Sure.
There is no "Address Book".  Instead there are "Catalogs" which are sortof the
same thing but a litle different, a little more versatile.  I'm growing tired
of explaining PowerTalk however so if you want to find out more you have some
homework to do.
No.

 -- From: Quadlist, Fri, Dec 20, 2002 -- 

Most people I know have more than one e-mail account, which certainly doesn't
leave much room for something like PowerTalk...

Hey, can you filter mail into separate mailboxes with PowerTalk?

How 'bout setting up multiple reply-to addresses so that list mail can appear
to come from one address and personal mail from another?

How standard is the mailbox format, so if you ever move to another system
you'll be able to migrate easily?

Can you export/import your address book to other apps easily?

And most importantly:

Can PowerTalk turn off the damn multilevel reply thing so that it just sticks
in Re: no matter how many times it has seen the thread title before?


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Re(4): Question the QuadDoubler

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Yeah, I meant PowerTalk.  Been digging up obscure translator info all night on
POP3 clients and PowerMail is another Mac mail client.

At 23:34 -0600 on 20/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>And where do you come up with these statistics of "most people"?  Most people

Most people I know have more than one e-mail account, which certainly doesn't
leave much room for something like PowerTalk...

Hey, can you filter mail into separate mailboxes with PowerTalk?

How 'bout setting up multiple reply-to addresses so that list mail can appear
to come from one address and personal mail from another?

How standard is the mailbox format, so if you ever move to another system
you'll be able to migrate easily?

Can you export/import your address book to other apps easily?

And most importantly:

Can PowerTalk turn off the damn multilevel reply thing so that it just sticks
in Re: no matter how many times it has seen the thread title before?
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Re(3): Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

exactly :)

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Re(2): Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

[Scott Holder]

At 11:30 PM 12/20/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>I'm pretty sure you need at least 7.5.  I tried booting from a small system
>7.1 partition after I copied all the powertalk files there, but it wouldn't
>start up.  Afterwards I deleted 7.1.

It's included in the "System 7 Pro" which is System 7.1.1. Last I checked 
it was available at Gamba's site. In fact, it seems to be what makes 7 Pro 
"Pro".

I've never found it terribly useful personally, though to each their own :)

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Re(2): Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

Well, your right about it being in the CD.  However if you download 7.5.3 from
info.apple, I know PowerTalk is floating around nearby as well.

 -- From: Quadlist, Fri, Dec 20, 2002 -- 

Yeah, and I don't think it's included with the downloadable 7.5.3 either.  I
think you have to install from a 7.5.x bundled CD or retail version.


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Re: Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

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At 22:25 -0700 on 20/12/02, J Sand wrote:

>My Centris 610 only has 7.1 OS on it, will I need to upgrade to at least
>7.5.3 OS to use the features you mentioned for PowerTalk?

Yeah, and I don't think it's included with the downloadable 7.5.3 either.  I
think you have to install from a 7.5.x bundled CD or retail version.
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Re(4): Question the QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

Geez...  I'll no longer try to convice you then.  And its called PowerTalk.

And where do you come up with these statistics of "most people"?  Most people
I know do only simple things:  Read mail.  Write mail.  Send Mail.  Reply to
Mail.  What super advanced features that "everybody" uses does Eudora have
over PowerTalk?

I prefer PowerTalk.   I don't need bells and whistles, and I'll gladly give
them up for superfast performance and simplicity.

And I know theres probably others on here who would also, especially on 040
macs.

 -- From: Quadlist, Fri, Dec 20, 2002 -- 

>However, I find that every feature I could possibly want is included in
>PowerTalk, so why have a separate application such as Eudora that just taxes
>system performance on older machines even further when you can just have the
>MacOS do everything for you?

Because Eudora *doesn't* tax the system performance on older Macs? :)  It's
about the most resource-efficient app I've *ever* seen.

Of course, it's not as fast as the Finder, but it's a lot more powerful than
PowerMail, too...

>What ever happened to the idea of simplicity?  Isn't that the foundation of
>the Macintosh?  I don't find Eudora a very simple or pleasant program for
that
>matter.
>
>Besides, PowerTalk is Apple.  Eudora isn't.

You know, if Apple wrote an e-mail program that was worth a damn, I'd use it,
but they don't, and for most people, something like PowerMail is entirely
insufficient.  It was never designed to handle Internet mail the way most
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Re(2): Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

I'm pretty sure you need at least 7.5.  I tried booting from a small system
7.1 partition after I copied all the powertalk files there, but it wouldn't
start up.  Afterwards I deleted 7.1.

Hats off to you for using 7.1 however!  If I could do all the stuff I can do
with 7.5.5 with 7.1, I would be using 7.1!  I highly recommend you upgrade to
7.5.5 though, since 1: its free and 2: it really doesnt impact performance.

I have a Centris 610 as well, sad though the hard drive died.

 -- From: Quadlist, Fri, Dec 20, 2002 -- 

My Centris 610 only has 7.1 OS on it, will I need to upgrade to at least 
7.5.3 OS to use the features you mentioned for PowerTalk?

Thanks,

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Re(3): Question the QuadDoubler

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At 23:22 -0600 on 20/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>However, I find that every feature I could possibly want is included in
>PowerTalk, so why have a separate application such as Eudora that just taxes
>system performance on older machines even further when you can just have the
>MacOS do everything for you?

Because Eudora *doesn't* tax the system performance on older Macs? :)  It's
about the most resource-efficient app I've *ever* seen.

Of course, it's not as fast as the Finder, but it's a lot more powerful than
PowerMail, too...

>What ever happened to the idea of simplicity?  Isn't that the foundation of
>the Macintosh?  I don't find Eudora a very simple or pleasant program for that
>matter.
>
>Besides, PowerTalk is Apple.  Eudora isn't.

You know, if Apple wrote an e-mail program that was worth a damn, I'd use it,
but they don't, and for most people, something like PowerMail is entirely
insufficient.  It was never designed to handle Internet mail the way most
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Re: Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

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My Centris 610 only has 7.1 OS on it, will I need to upgrade to at least 
7.5.3 OS to use the features you mentioned for PowerTalk?

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Re(3): Question the QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

Well its not going to be if you have multiple accounts.

However, I find that every feature I could possibly want is included in
PowerTalk, so why have a separate application such as Eudora that just taxes
system performance on older machines even further when you can just have the
MacOS do everything for you?

What ever happened to the idea of simplicity?  Isn't that the foundation of
the Macintosh?  I don't find Eudora a very simple or pleasant program for that
matter.

Besides, PowerTalk is Apple.  Eudora isn't.

 -- From: Quadlist, Fri, Dec 20, 2002 -- 

However, you're gonna have a *very* hard time convincing me that PowerTalk is
any better for people with only one e-mail account than Eudora Light, let
alone
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Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

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At 22:56 -0600 on 20/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>Its also weird figuring out how to set it up, and your only allowed one POP
>account, (or any TCP/IP based account for that matter).  PowerTalk (from what

Which is a huge problem for most people...

>I can see) was not originally designed for IP based Email, but rather it was
>more of an instant mailing program between Macs over apple talk.  Apple just

It was designed to compete with stuff like Lotus Notes and Novell (?) GroupWise
and that sort of thing - it was primarily an intranet mail system.

However, you're gonna have a *very* hard time convincing me that PowerTalk is
any better for people with only one e-mail account than Eudora Light, let alone
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Re(2): Question the QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

I noticed a disturbing trend of Mac Heads not even knowing what PowerTalk was
when I first started using it.  I'm attributing it to the fact that PowerTalk
might be rather confusing, for the very fact that it makes me love it.  There
just is NO application.  All the email, contacts, inbox and outbox is handled
by the finder.  You only need to start another application called AppleMail
when you want to read the contents of an email message.

Its also weird figuring out how to set it up, and your only allowed one POP
account, (or any TCP/IP based account for that matter).  PowerTalk (from what
I can see) was not originally designed for IP based Email, but rather it was
more of an instant mailing program between Macs over apple talk.  Apple just
included a separate PowerTalk extension which you have to dig for in the
System 7.5.3 CD and install separately that allows you to have access to one
Ineternet Email account.

Anyway, I only have one internet email account, and once I figured out how to
get PowerTalk working properly, I found it to be a very very useful email
client, especially for my older Quadra 800, becaue its built into the finder
and therefor runs very fast and doesn't tax the system like at all.  I
certainly can't feel a difference.

In fact, I recommend it to anybody using a pre powerpc mac that wants to have
a fairly nice email system.

If anybody on this list would like help setting up or using power talk, I'd be
glad to share my experiences that I've had with it so far.

 -- From: Quadlist, Fri, Dec 20, 2002 -- 

I think
>>PowerTalk operating system integrated email services is the coolest thing I
>>have ever seen.
>>
>>Unfortunately, you're one of about five people who thought that... ;)
>
>For what reasons?  I'm using PowerTalk right now, I think its fantastic that
I

Beats me.  I never used it, and Apple dropped it after 7.5.5 because nobody
was
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Re: Question the QuadDoubler

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At 22:16 -0600 on 20/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>>refuse to upgrade to 8, I refuse to put a PowerPC chip in here, and I think
>>PowerTalk operating system integrated email services is the coolest thing I
>>have ever seen.
>>
>>Unfortunately, you're one of about five people who thought that... ;)
>
>For what reasons?  I'm using PowerTalk right now, I think its fantastic that I

Beats me.  I never used it, and Apple dropped it after 7.5.5 because nobody was
using it.

>>AFAIK it's not even a 50 MHz part - it's an overclocked 40 MHz part.  Let us
>>know when you get it, though, whether it has 68040RC40 or 68040RC50 as the
>>part number.
>
>Why whats the difference between the two?

Reliability and honesty on the part of the manufacturer as far as I'm concerned.

>I read somewhere that one model had 128kb L2 cache, and the guy on the phone
>from MicroMac said the one he was sending me had Cache.  I'm not sure if I can
>belive this though, is there any way I can test to see if it actually does?

Look at it.  There'll be cache on it, very obviously, in the form of four or
eight identical chips.

>In fact, is there any utility with which I can test a processors actual true
>clock speed?

Clockometer is probably your best bet for an older Mac like that.

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Re: Question the QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

>refuse to upgrade to 8, I refuse to put a PowerPC chip in here, and I think
>PowerTalk operating system integrated email services is the coolest thing I
>have ever seen.
>
>Unfortunately, you're one of about five people who thought that... ;)

For what reasons?  I'm using PowerTalk right now, I think its fantastic that I
don't have to start separate email programs to organize my contacts or my
inbox and outbox!

It has already impressed more than a few PC friends of mine.

>AFAIK it's not even a 50 MHz part - it's an overclocked 40 MHz part.  Let us
>know when you get it, though, whether it has 68040RC40 or 68040RC50 as the
>part number.

Why whats the difference between the two?

I read somewhere that one model had 128kb L2 cache, and the guy on the phone
from MicroMac said the one he was sending me had Cache.  I'm not sure if I can
belive this though, is there any way I can test to see if it actually does?

In fact, is there any utility with which I can test a processors actual true
clock speed?

>I don't trust MicroMac farther than I can throw 'em, and I shudder to think
>what a princely sum is being spent to do this, but I can't see any reason why
>it *wouldn't* work.

Hmm... Well thankfully I ordered everything else from MacVizion, who has
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Re: Question the QuadDoubler

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At 21:45 -0600 on 20/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>refuse to upgrade to 8, I refuse to put a PowerPC chip in here, and I think
>PowerTalk operating system integrated email services is the coolest thing I
>have ever seen.

Unfortunately, you're one of about five people who thought that... ;)

>This christmas season I've ordered a new SuperMac Video card, which I plan to
>begin using dual monitors with, 136mb of RAM, and something called the Sonnett
>QuadDoubler.  After all, isn't it nothing more than a replacement CPU with a
>50mhz clock speed?

AFAIK it's not even a 50 MHz part - it's an overclocked 40 MHz part.  Let us
know when you get it, though, whether it has 68040RC40 or 68040RC50 as the part
number.

>Now heres where the question, comes in:  Everywhere I go all I hear is "The
>QuadDoubler will not work in the Quadra 800."  However, the company I ordered
>it from (MicroMac actually) not only guaranteed me it will work, they're
>shipping it already installed inside a complete Quadra 800.  They told me that
>once I'm satisifed it works, they'll pay for the rest of the Quadra 800 to be
>shipped back to them, along with the card if I'm not satisified.

I don't trust MicroMac farther than I can throw 'em, and I shudder to think
what a princely sum is being spent to do this, but I can't see any reason why
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Question the QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

Hello, Quadlist!

My name's Dan, and I'm new to Quadlist.  I just thought I'd introduce myself,
as well as my Quadra 800, and pose a few riddles to you veteran 040 users.

My Quadra 800 has been in the family for less than two years now, it was
purchased in January of 2001 to be used by my father Steve as a web browser
and emailer.  After about 8 months of service, it was retired as he felt it to
be too slow.  Back then it had 12mb of RAM, the 230mb Hard Drive, and MacOS
8.1.

It then sat, for a LONG time.  Every once in a while I'd pull it out to
fiddle, but never really used it.

Just about one month ago however, I decided to set it up in my bedroom as a
light web browser.  I installed system 7.5.3 and some internet software.  I
found it to be slow as well.  So, after about a days worth of scrounging up
every 72pin SIMM I could find, I then began an arduous task of figuring out
how big each one was.  This took me about 45 minutes of restarting the
computer each time with a single SIMM installed, then I would subtract 8 from
the total.

When it was all said and done I had a grand total of 57mb of RAM in my Quadra
800! I switched off VM, and WOW this thing began impresing me.  Then, to make
matters even better, my friend practically gave me a 10,000rpm 4.5gb Seagate
Cheetah SCSI hard drive.  Once again, WOW.

The wow was coming from me saying to myself "This thing is 9 years old.  None
of my 33mhz Windows machines could do this! (And I have several)."

Another wow:  It could play the 67mb QuickTime "The old Apartment" music video
featured on the MacOS 8 install cd (which I did NOT install) perfectly.

Then again:  Using VNC, I could (surprisingly easy and not too slowly) control
all the other Macs and PCs in the house.

Anyway as the story goes on, I became engulfed in this Machine.  As some of my
friends know, it has become my favorite, and MOST USED Macintosh, even though
my G3/400 system is in the basement.

I also have started to become infactuated with older Mac technologies.  I
refuse to upgrade to 8, I refuse to put a PowerPC chip in here, and I think
PowerTalk operating system integrated email services is the coolest thing I
have ever seen.

I've been installing a ton of software, and the 4.5gb hard drive seems to have
barely anything in it.

It's become my quest to have the most souped up, tricked out, 68k Macintosh
Quadra on earth, or at least out of anybody I know.

This christmas season I've ordered a new SuperMac Video card, which I plan to
begin using dual monitors with, 136mb of RAM, and something called the Sonnett
QuadDoubler.  After all, isn't it nothing more than a replacement CPU with a
50mhz clock speed?

Now heres where the question, comes in:  Everywhere I go all I hear is "The
QuadDoubler will not work in the Quadra 800."  However, the company I ordered
it from (MicroMac actually) not only guaranteed me it will work, they're
shipping it already installed inside a complete Quadra 800.  They told me that
once I'm satisifed it works, they'll pay for the rest of the Quadra 800 to be
shipped back to them, along with the card if I'm not satisified.

I haven't gotten it yet, but I'm becoming very anxious.  It comes in on
Monday.  Will this thing actually work in my Quadra 800 or not?

Thanks for listening to my rants!  Long live the Quadra 800!


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Re: Quaddoubler Problem

[the pickle]

At 16:46 -0400 on 26/06/02, Haroon wrote:

>which doesn't seem to be cooling it effectively.  Anyone think replacing
>the fan on the Quaddoubler with the original Quadra heatsink would yield
>better results?

How about a heatsink/fan combo?

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Re: Quaddoubler Problem

[the pickle]

At 16:46 -0400 on 26/06/02, Haroon wrote:

>which doesn't seem to be cooling it effectively.  Anyone think replacing
>the fan on the Quaddoubler with the original Quadra heatsink would yield
>better results?

How about a heatsink/fan combo?

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Re: Quaddoubler Problem

[Michael Emery]

Haroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I noticed the Quaddoubler pictured on Sonnet's web site 
does not have a fan, but a heatsink. For some reason my 
Quaddoubler has a fan attached, which doesn't seem to be 
cooling it effectively. Anyone think replacing the fan 
on the Quaddoubler with the original Quadra heatsink 
would yield better results?

I am of the belief that Sonnett originally engineered the QuadDoubler 
with the groovy heatsink, but re-engineered and attempted to improve the 
design with the substitution of the Peltier (?) fan. I would expect that 
the fan cools better than the plain old heatsink.

I sold you that QuadDoubler, as we both remember. It was never a 
completely reliable improvement for my Q660av either, but tended to 
skitter off after awhile. Methinks that it's doing the best that it can, 
and one shouldn't expect perfection from it.

It sounds like you're getting some good usage out of it.
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Re: Quaddoubler Problem

[Stefan Daehler]

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

>Anyone on the list have experience with Quaddoublers?  I have a Quadra 
>700 I leave on for months at a time as an OpenBSD box doing some minor 
>tasks, and I noticed when it's given very intense tasks (like for 
>instance, today when I was compiling OpenSSH), it tends to have 
>stability issues.
>
>
>I noticed the Quaddoubler pictured on Sonnet's web site does not have a 
>fan, but a heatsink.  For some reason my Quaddoubler has a fan attached, 
>which doesn't seem to be cooling it effectively.  Anyone think replacing 
>the fan on the Quaddoubler with the original Quadra heatsink would yield 
>better results?



How about combining heatsink AND fan? This should, at least 
theoretically, increase the cooling.

Let us know the results in case you try. Steff


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Quaddoubler Problem

[Haroon]

Anyone on the list have experience with Quaddoublers?  I have a Quadra 
700 I leave on for months at a time as an OpenBSD box doing some minor 
tasks, and I noticed when it's given very intense tasks (like for 
instance, today when I was compiling OpenSSH), it tends to have 
stability issues.

I believe there's an overheating problem with the processor, since after 
a crash in OpenBSD (while the processor is still very hot) the system 
becomes incredibly unstable in OS 7.6.  If I power it off for a few 
minutes, or just let it sit idle, things return back to normal.  Also, 
if I return the original 25mhz CPU things are okay again.

I noticed the Quaddoubler pictured on Sonnet's web site does not have a 
fan, but a heatsink.  For some reason my Quaddoubler has a fan attached, 
which doesn't seem to be cooling it effectively.  Anyone think replacing 
the fan on the Quaddoubler with the original Quadra heatsink would yield 
better results?

It's very rare that I work this system hard, so it's generally not an 
issue; would still be nice to fix it though.


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Re: Quaddoubler

[Mark Benson]

On Wednesday, March 27, 2002, at 05:45 PM, Haroon wrote:

>> Which Quadra are you using it in?
>
> Quadra 700.

Should be OK, It is not recommended on a 660av, which is why I asked, as 
someone recently suggested it wasn't worth the time and was unstable. 
The same person also said it would be much better in a Q700. Are you 
buying it new or used?

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Re: Quaddoubler

[Haroon]

> Which Quadra are you using it in?

Quadra 700.



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Re: Quaddoubler

[Mark Benson]

On Wednesday, March 27, 2002, at 05:35 AM, Haroon wrote:

> Just closed a deal on one of these used.  Anyone had experience with 
> them?
> Do they generally perform well?  I'll be using it on a machine that's
> running OpenBSD 3.0.
>
> Also, I ordered some memory from SA Tech, but they didn't include the
> shipping costs in the totals.  Do they just add it on later?  Send it
> postage due?

Which Quadra are you using it in?

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Quaddoubler

[Haroon]

Just closed a deal on one of these used.  Anyone had experience with them?
Do they generally perform well?  I'll be using it on a machine that's
running OpenBSD 3.0.

Also, I ordered some memory from SA Tech, but they didn't include the
shipping costs in the totals.  Do they just add it on later?  Send it
postage due?



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Quaddoubler and OpenBSD 3.0

[Haroon Al-Qahtani]

I'm thinking about buying a Quaddoubler for my Quadra 700.  Does anyone know
if OpenBSD 3.0 m68k will support it properly?  I'm guessing since it's a
complete CPU replacement it shouldn't be much of a problem, but I'm not
sure.  Don't want to throw down $100 for nothing . . .



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