Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-11-13 Thread bill 
Great news Mike,
Bill

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On 12 Nov 2017, at 21:03, Mike > 
wrote:

Yes, it's been a long time, but.

I gave up trying all the different things mentioned by the many kind and 
helpful replies to my question but nothing seemed to work. I took the car to a 
local garage and explained the problem. All the mechanics there had a go until 
about three weeks after they had the car they decided it must be the 
distributor. They couldn't source a new one but found a used one and IT 
WORKS!!! Yay, happy bunny me!! The car is running fine and in the next couple 
of days they will give it a full service and MOT and I'll be good to go.

See y'all at Stoneleigh!

Mike B


On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, Mike wrote:
My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a Ford 
trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and there 
were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does anyone know of 
this? From one website I discovered that the correct distributor is a Bosch 
type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. The Haines manual says Bosch 
or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I found was type 0 237 601 001, 
Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA.

Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did they 
use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while the 
one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at all! 
Advice please so I can get going again!

Many thanks, Mike

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[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-11-12 Thread Mike 
Yes, it's been a long time, but.

I gave up trying all the different things mentioned by the many kind and 
helpful replies to my question but nothing seemed to work. I took the car 
to a local garage and explained the problem. All the mechanics there had a 
go until about three weeks after they had the car they decided it must be 
the distributor. They couldn't source a new one but found a used one and IT 
WORKS!!! Yay, happy bunny me!! The car is running fine and in the next 
couple of days they will give it a full service and MOT and I'll be good to 
go.

See y'all at Stoneleigh!

Mike B


On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, Mike wrote:
>
> My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
> usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a 
> Ford trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and 
> there were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does 
> anyone know of this? From one website I discovered that the correct 
> distributor is a Bosch type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. 
> The Haines manual says Bosch or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I 
> found was type 0 237 601 001, Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA.
>
> Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did 
> they use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
> effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while 
> the one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at 
> all! Advice please so I can get going again!
>
> Many thanks, Mike
>

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-30 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
Just another thought on the fuel.. How old is the fuel? This 'modern' 
petrol doesn't last well and if the car hasn't been used for a few months the 
fuel may have separated into a horrible mess of 2 layers which look like 
wallpaper paste and water!
Martin
  - Original Message - 
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  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:19 PM
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor


  Thanks everyone for your replies. I suspected that the slightly different 
part numbers might be due to slightly different internall arrangements!


  The car started spluttering while cold, i.e. after only a few miles. 
Sometimes it would stop as though the handbrake had been violently applied. But 
then would start again. Finally, on my way to a QOC committee meeting 
(ironically!) it stopped and would not start. A few hours later after the 
meeting the car started immediately and drove home, about 6 miles from where it 
had stopped with no problem at all. This is when I decided to replace 
everything, except the distributor itself. So the fault is most certainly not a 
loose connection, faulty HT leads, faulty coil, faulty distributor cap, faulty 
ignition module, faulty plugs or rotor arm as all were replaced with new. From 
then on the car will not start at all and is still in the garage. There is a 
spark at the plugs and from time to time while turning over the engine it will 
fire, or backfire just the once. Both engineers who looked at the car agreed 
that the problem is timing. I've tried rotating the distributor through the 
full range from fully clockwise to fully anti-clockwise but that makes no 
difference. I've got a  month to solve this - I WILL be at Stoneleigh in this 
car!!!


  A possible next step is to put the originals back and see if it starts. If it 
does I can replace each old item with the new one until it no longer starts. 
That would tell me I have the wrong new part!


  The distributor is not the type with a long shaft and a gear at the end. It's 
the other type, no shaft but 'dogs' (I think that's what they're called) to 
connect to the engine, pic attached.


  Mike

  On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, QM editor wrote:
My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a Ford 
trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and there 
were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does anyone know of 
this? From one website I discovered that the correct distributor is a Bosch 
type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. The Haines manual says Bosch 
or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I found was type 0 237 601 001, 
Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA.


Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did 
they use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while the 
one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at all! 
Advice please so I can get going again!


Many thanks, Mike

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[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-30 Thread KCBob 
In the dim and distant past I had a 1986 1400S Mk2 Fiesta that developed a 
similar problem; above about 2000RPM it would run without any problems but 
below that it would only run for 10-20 seconds before cutting out, a check 
of the fuel supply found no problems and check for a spark at the plugs 
also revealed no problems. I was told that there were some problematic 
distributors that had "internal problems", I was loaned another distributor 
and this worked without problem. Unfortunately I can't remember which make 
of distributor it was but there were two different lengths of distributor 
(mine was the longer one) the trial one and the replacement I bought were 
the shorter ones and came with a replacement/extension piece to ensure that 
the wiring loom could still reach the new dizzy. This made no noticeable 
difference to the running of the car and the problem did not return (I sold 
the car a few years later).

On Saturday, 25 March 2017 11:02:56 UTC, QM editor wrote:
>
> My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
> usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a 
> Ford trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and 
> there were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does 
> anyone know of this? From one website I discovered that the correct 
> distributor is a Bosch type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. 
> The Haines manual says Bosch or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I 
> found was type 0 237 601 001, Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA.
>
> Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did 
> they use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
> effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while 
> the one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at 
> all! Advice please so I can get going again!
>
> Many thanks, Mike
>

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-30 Thread Jim Hearne 
If it’s not run since all the parts were replaced have you double double 
checked the plug leads are on in the right order ?

Jim


From: QM editor 
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:19 PM
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

Thanks everyone for your replies. I suspected that the slightly different part 
numbers might be due to slightly different internall arrangements! 

The car started spluttering while cold, i.e. after only a few miles. Sometimes 
it would stop as though the handbrake had been violently applied. But then 
would start again. Finally, on my way to a QOC committee meeting (ironically!) 
it stopped and would not start. A few hours later after the meeting the car 
started immediately and drove home, about 6 miles from where it had stopped 
with no problem at all. This is when I decided to replace everything, except 
the distributor itself. So the fault is most certainly not a loose connection, 
faulty HT leads, faulty coil, faulty distributor cap, faulty ignition module, 
faulty plugs or rotor arm as all were replaced with new. From then on the car 
will not start at all and is still in the garage. There is a spark at the plugs 
and from time to time while turning over the engine it will fire, or backfire 
just the once. Both engineers who looked at the car agreed that the problem is 
timing. I've tried rotating the distributor through the full range from fully 
clockwise to fully anti-clockwise but that makes no difference. I've got a  
month to solve this - I WILL be at Stoneleigh in this car!!!

A possible next step is to put the originals back and see if it starts. If it 
does I can replace each old item with the new one until it no longer starts. 
That would tell me I have the wrong new part!

The distributor is not the type with a long shaft and a gear at the end. It's 
the other type, no shaft but 'dogs' (I think that's what they're called) to 
connect to the engine, pic attached.

Mike

On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, QM editor wrote: 
  My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a Ford 
trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and there 
were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does anyone know of 
this? From one website I discovered that the correct distributor is a Bosch 
type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. The Haines manual says Bosch 
or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I found was type 0 237 601 001, 
Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA. 

  Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did they 
use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while the 
one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at all! 
Advice please so I can get going again!

  Many thanks, Mike
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-30 Thread Jim Hearne 

A fuel blockage was where my questions were heading as well.
A lot of dirt in the fuel line can pile up against the fuel filter when the 
engine is running but then fall away when it stops, allowing the engine to 
start again for a bit.

Is there an inline filter in the fuel supply to the carb ?

Jim


-Original Message- 
From: ADRIAN HOPKINS

Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:29 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

This may be a silly suggestion but have you checked the fuel supply?

I recall a couple of similar situations which were eventually solved by 
cleaning out an inline fuel filer that had become clogged causing 
intermittent fuel supply.


Apologies if you have already covered this.

AJ

On Wed, 29/3/17, QM editor <tabo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor
To: "Quantum Owners Group" <quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, 29 March, 2017, 23:19

Thanks everyone for your
replies. I suspected that the slightly different
part numbers might be due to slightly different
internall arrangements!

The
car started spluttering while cold, i.e. after only a few
miles.
Sometimes it would stop as though
the handbrake had been violently applied.
But then would start again. Finally, on my way
to a QOC committee meeting
(ironically!) it
stopped and would not start. A few hours later after the
meeting the car started immediately and drove
home, about 6 miles from
where it had
stopped with no problem at all. This is when I decided to

replace everything, except the distributor
itself. So the fault is most
certainly not
a loose connection, faulty HT leads, faulty coil, faulty
distributor cap, faulty ignition module, faulty
plugs or rotor arm as all
were replaced
with new. From then on the car will not start at all and is

still in the garage. There is a spark at
the plugs and from time to time
while
turning over the engine it will fire, or backfire just the
once. Both
engineers who looked at the car
agreed that the problem is timing. I've
tried rotating the distributor through the full
range from fully clockwise
to fully
anti-clockwise but that makes no difference. I've got
a  month to
solve this - I WILL be at
Stoneleigh in this car!!!

A
possible next step is to put the originals back and see if
it starts. If
it does I can replace each
old item with the new one until it no longer
starts. That would tell me I have the wrong new
part!

The distributor is
not the type with a long shaft and a gear at the end.
It's the other type, no shaft but
'dogs' (I think that's what they're
called) to connect to the engine, pic
attached.

Mike

On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC,
QM editor wrote:




My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it
will stop and

usually start again

running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a


Ford trained mechanic that the

distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and

there were many failures even in cars less

than three years old. Does

anyone know

of this? From one website I discovered that the correct

distributor is a Bosch type 0 237 521 019

but I can't find one of those.

The

Haines manual says Bosch or Lucas but gives no part number..
Nearest I

found was type 0 237 601

001, Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA.


Has anyone had a distributor problem with

this engine, and what type did

they

use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've
mentioned are

effectively identical or

there might be sufficient difference that while

the one I can find will physically fit it

won't work properly or even at



all! Advice please so I can get going again!


Many thanks, Mike



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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-30 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
Adrian makes a good point. An ignition fault won't usually be so severe to stop 
the car, as the engine tends to 'diesel' to some extent. A sudden (brakes on 
type) could indicate fuel loss.
Martin.
There's only 3 things here. Fuel, Air, Spark  Together we will 
solve it!
  - Original Message - 
  From: QM editor 
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:19 PM
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor


  Thanks everyone for your replies. I suspected that the slightly different 
part numbers might be due to slightly different internall arrangements!


  The car started spluttering while cold, i.e. after only a few miles. 
Sometimes it would stop as though the handbrake had been violently applied. But 
then would start again. Finally, on my way to a QOC committee meeting 
(ironically!) it stopped and would not start. A few hours later after the 
meeting the car started immediately and drove home, about 6 miles from where it 
had stopped with no problem at all. This is when I decided to replace 
everything, except the distributor itself. So the fault is most certainly not a 
loose connection, faulty HT leads, faulty coil, faulty distributor cap, faulty 
ignition module, faulty plugs or rotor arm as all were replaced with new. From 
then on the car will not start at all and is still in the garage. There is a 
spark at the plugs and from time to time while turning over the engine it will 
fire, or backfire just the once. Both engineers who looked at the car agreed 
that the problem is timing. I've tried rotating the distributor through the 
full range from fully clockwise to fully anti-clockwise but that makes no 
difference. I've got a  month to solve this - I WILL be at Stoneleigh in this 
car!!!


  A possible next step is to put the originals back and see if it starts. If it 
does I can replace each old item with the new one until it no longer starts. 
That would tell me I have the wrong new part!


  The distributor is not the type with a long shaft and a gear at the end. It's 
the other type, no shaft but 'dogs' (I think that's what they're called) to 
connect to the engine, pic attached.


  Mike

  On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, QM editor wrote:
My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a Ford 
trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and there 
were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does anyone know of 
this? From one website I discovered that the correct distributor is a Bosch 
type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. The Haines manual says Bosch 
or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I found was type 0 237 601 001, 
Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA.


Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did 
they use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while the 
one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at all! 
Advice please so I can get going again!


Many thanks, Mike

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-30 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
My Wife had a Volvo when I met her (and the relationship survived!). This car 
was out to get me On one occassion the RAC rescued it and took it to a 
garage local to where she was living. I gave them a call and explained I'd 
replaced all ignition parts with Lucas ones (it had what appeared to be an 
ignition problem). They reported a while later that the ignition timing was 
about 20 deg out. They reset it and that weekend she drove to mine, and a 
couple of miles away it was only just about running. The next day I checked it 
and the timing was out again. I traced it to the bob weights in the distributor 
- the grease on them had solidified and they would sometimes return to the 
'start position' when revs went down, sometimes they wouldn't. A clean and 
oiling had them working well again. I don't know how easy (or dificult) it is 
to get inside the distributor Mike, but may be worth investigating?
Martin

  - Original Message - 
  From: QM editor 
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:19 PM
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor


  Thanks everyone for your replies. I suspected that the slightly different 
part numbers might be due to slightly different internall arrangements!


  The car started spluttering while cold, i.e. after only a few miles. 
Sometimes it would stop as though the handbrake had been violently applied. But 
then would start again. Finally, on my way to a QOC committee meeting 
(ironically!) it stopped and would not start. A few hours later after the 
meeting the car started immediately and drove home, about 6 miles from where it 
had stopped with no problem at all. This is when I decided to replace 
everything, except the distributor itself. So the fault is most certainly not a 
loose connection, faulty HT leads, faulty coil, faulty distributor cap, faulty 
ignition module, faulty plugs or rotor arm as all were replaced with new. From 
then on the car will not start at all and is still in the garage. There is a 
spark at the plugs and from time to time while turning over the engine it will 
fire, or backfire just the once. Both engineers who looked at the car agreed 
that the problem is timing. I've tried rotating the distributor through the 
full range from fully clockwise to fully anti-clockwise but that makes no 
difference. I've got a  month to solve this - I WILL be at Stoneleigh in this 
car!!!


  A possible next step is to put the originals back and see if it starts. If it 
does I can replace each old item with the new one until it no longer starts. 
That would tell me I have the wrong new part!


  The distributor is not the type with a long shaft and a gear at the end. It's 
the other type, no shaft but 'dogs' (I think that's what they're called) to 
connect to the engine, pic attached.


  Mike

  On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, QM editor wrote:
My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a Ford 
trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and there 
were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does anyone know of 
this? From one website I discovered that the correct distributor is a Bosch 
type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. The Haines manual says Bosch 
or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I found was type 0 237 601 001, 
Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA.


Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did 
they use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while the 
one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at all! 
Advice please so I can get going again!


Many thanks, Mike

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-30 Thread ADRIAN HOPKINS 
This may be a silly suggestion but have you checked the fuel supply?

I recall a couple of similar situations which were eventually solved by 
cleaning out an inline fuel filer that had become clogged causing intermittent 
fuel supply. 

Apologies if you have already covered this.

AJ

On Wed, 29/3/17, QM editor <tabo...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor
 To: "Quantum Owners Group" <quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
 Date: Wednesday, 29 March, 2017, 23:19
 
 Thanks everyone for your
 replies. I suspected that the slightly different 
 part numbers might be due to slightly different
 internall arrangements!
 
 The
 car started spluttering while cold, i.e. after only a few
 miles. 
 Sometimes it would stop as though
 the handbrake had been violently applied. 
 But then would start again. Finally, on my way
 to a QOC committee meeting 
 (ironically!) it
 stopped and would not start. A few hours later after the 
 meeting the car started immediately and drove
 home, about 6 miles from 
 where it had
 stopped with no problem at all. This is when I decided to
 
 replace everything, except the distributor
 itself. So the fault is most 
 certainly not
 a loose connection, faulty HT leads, faulty coil, faulty 
 distributor cap, faulty ignition module, faulty
 plugs or rotor arm as all 
 were replaced
 with new. From then on the car will not start at all and is
 
 still in the garage. There is a spark at
 the plugs and from time to time 
 while
 turning over the engine it will fire, or backfire just the
 once. Both 
 engineers who looked at the car
 agreed that the problem is timing. I've 
 tried rotating the distributor through the full
 range from fully clockwise 
 to fully
 anti-clockwise but that makes no difference. I've got
 a  month to 
 solve this - I WILL be at
 Stoneleigh in this car!!!
 
 A
 possible next step is to put the originals back and see if
 it starts. If 
 it does I can replace each
 old item with the new one until it no longer 
 starts. That would tell me I have the wrong new
 part!
 
 The distributor is
 not the type with a long shaft and a gear at the end. 
 It's the other type, no shaft but
 'dogs' (I think that's what they're 
 called) to connect to the engine, pic
 attached.
 
 Mike
 
 On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC,
 QM editor wrote:
 >
 >
 My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it
 will stop and 
 > usually start again
 running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a
 
 > Ford trained mechanic that the
 distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and 
 > there were many failures even in cars less
 than three years old. Does 
 > anyone know
 of this? From one website I discovered that the correct 
 > distributor is a Bosch type 0 237 521 019
 but I can't find one of those. 
 > The
 Haines manual says Bosch or Lucas but gives no part number..
 Nearest I 
 > found was type 0 237 601
 001, Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA.
 >
 > Has anyone had a distributor problem with
 this engine, and what type did 
 > they
 use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've
 mentioned are 
 > effectively identical or
 there might be sufficient difference that while 
 > the one I can find will physically fit it
 won't work properly or even at 
 >
 all! Advice please so I can get going again!
 >
 > Many thanks, Mike
 >
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-29 Thread Jim Hearne 
The slightly different part numbers will have different mechanical and vacuum 
advance characteristics to match the engine capacity, camshaft and carb used on 
that engine.
But in practice a distributor from any other 1.6 CVH will work well enough.
I seem to remember the Bosch distributor is a lot more common and as long as 
you get one from the post 1985 XR2 (before that they had a short distributor 
with a separate ECU) you should be able to interchange that with the Lucas 
distributor as a complete assembly.

The only part left in the distributor is the magnetic pickup itself, these can 
fail.

When does it cutout ?, when cold, hot, under load, idle etc
And then, when does it eventually restart ?

Jim


From: QM editor 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 11:08 PM
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

Update: 

After the cutting out problem I bought all new parts: coil, all HT leads, 
ignition module, distributor cap and rotor arm. Last week I called out a car 
electrics man who said everything looked OK, maybe the cam belt had slipped. I 
said in that case it would not have started ever again until it was put right! 
A colleage of his (Ford trained mechanic!) turned up, removed the cam belt 
cover and stated that everything was correct. The only thing left would appear 
to be the distributor itself. He told me that some Fiestas of this vintage 
needed a new distributor when less than two years old as this was a 'known 
fault' in that car.

As mine has screws to hold the cap in place, not clips, that makes it a Lucas 
not Bosch. I know there are weights and springs inside, but I am still trying 
to find if the slightly different part numbers are all interchangeable or if 
those numbers designate different types of spring and weight - if that is the 
case only the correct type will work.

I tried the local Ford Main dealer and spoke with someone who has 30 years' 
experience with Ford spares. His computer was unable to find my car due (I 
think) to their database only going back to some point in time after my Fiesta 
was built. Next step must be the Fiesta Owners Club. Surely they have people 
who love XR2s and know where to source the parts that go wrong?

This is turning into a saga that might well end up in the next magazine once I 
have all the useful info to help anyone else with this problem!

Mike



On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, QM editor wrote: 
  My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a Ford 
trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and there 
were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does anyone know of 
this? From one website I discovered that the correct distributor is a Bosch 
type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. The Haines manual says Bosch 
or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I found was type 0 237 601 001, 
Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA. 

  Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did they 
use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while the 
one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at all! 
Advice please so I can get going again!

  Many thanks, Mike
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[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-29 Thread QM editor 
I should add that during testing there was a spark from the coil and also 
at the plugs, so both engineers concluded that the problem was timing as 
there was plenty of fuel present. Sometimes the engine 'tried' to start and 
once it backfired.

Mike

On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, QM editor wrote:
>
> My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
> usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a 
> Ford trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and 
> there were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does 
> anyone know of this? From one website I discovered that the correct 
> distributor is a Bosch type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. 
> The Haines manual says Bosch or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I 
> found was type 0 237 601 001, Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA.
>
> Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did 
> they use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
> effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while 
> the one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at 
> all! Advice please so I can get going again!
>
> Many thanks, Mike
>

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[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-29 Thread QM editor 
Update:

After the cutting out problem I bought all new parts: coil, all HT leads, 
ignition module, distributor cap and rotor arm. Last week I called out a 
car electrics man who said everything looked OK, maybe the cam belt had 
slipped. I said in that case it would not have started ever again until it 
was put right! A colleage of his (Ford trained mechanic!) turned up, 
removed the cam belt cover and stated that everything was correct. The only 
thing left would appear to be the distributor itself. He told me that some 
Fiestas of this vintage needed a new distributor when less than two years 
old as this was a 'known fault' in that car.

As mine has screws to hold the cap in place, not clips, that makes it a 
Lucas not Bosch. I know there are weights and springs inside, but I am 
still trying to find if the slightly different part numbers are all 
interchangeable or if those numbers designate different types of spring and 
weight - if that is the case only the correct type will work.

I tried the local Ford Main dealer and spoke with someone who has 30 years' 
experience with Ford spares. His computer was unable to find my car due (I 
think) to their database only going back to some point in time after my 
Fiesta was built. Next step must be the Fiesta Owners Club. Surely they 
have people who love XR2s and know where to source the parts that go wrong?

This is turning into a saga that might well end up in the next magazine 
once I have all the useful info to help anyone else with this problem!

Mike



On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, QM editor wrote:
>
> My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
> usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a 
> Ford trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and 
> there were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does 
> anyone know of this? From one website I discovered that the correct 
> distributor is a Bosch type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. 
> The Haines manual says Bosch or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I 
> found was type 0 237 601 001, Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA.
>
> Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did 
> they use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
> effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while 
> the one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at 
> all! Advice please so I can get going again!
>
> Many thanks, Mike
>

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[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-29 Thread 'Jamest142' via Quantum Owners Group 
Hi

I posted this back in Nov 2013 (glad the search facility works!).  It may 
help with the ignition modules.

Finally found the code for the ignition module - the pattern code is XEI9 
(Xray, Echo, Indigo, Niner), a quick search shows several other codes - 
FORD 6153380, ROVER NJQ10001.

FORD 6 153 380
FORD 6153380
FORD 84SF 12K05 7AA
FORD 84SF 12K05 9AA
FORD 84SF-12K057-AA
FORD 84SF-12K059-AA
LAND ROVER ERR5210
LAND ROVER STC1184
ROVER CDU4175
ROVER ERR 5210

I hope this helps.

Best regards
James T
Q2-002
www.bostin.photography

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-28 Thread Jim Hearne 
If the engine has a distributor it won’t have a crankshaft position sensor, 
they are only used on cars with distributorless ignition.
I’ve had random cutting out on a couple of 80’s Fords caused by rust on the 
ignition coil low voltage connections.
Ford used push on connectors onto the threaded steel plated studs, the studs 
rust and cause a poor connection.

Jim



From: 'Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:53 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor
As I expect you have been told already the connection to the crankshaft 
position sensor  is also a potential trouble spot.

Michael



-Original Message-
From: Susan and Martin Scott <susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk>
To: quantumowners <quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 9:05
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor


Unless you can see anything obviouse (eg black 'tracking' or burn out contact 
on cap) it's probably the black unit on the side, in which case it's possibly 
cheaper (just as easy?) to get one of those and fit to the part you have.
Martin
  - Original Message - 
  From: QM editor 
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 11:12 PM
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

  Thanks everyone, and specially Chris. I'm familiar with the spring clips and 
had not seen a pair of screws to hold the cap before - so mine with the screws 
must be Lucas. Are they completely interchangeable? There seem to be many types 
available on the usual websites but as soon as I try to specify the exact one I 
can't find one like that. 

  Does anyone know if they are all more or less the same and it doesn't matter 
which one you use, so long as it has the same fitting? Does a recon one come 
with an oil seal? Presumably a new one does? I have till the end of next month 
to get this car going, I don't want to go to Stoneleigh in my tin top Suzuki!

  Thanks again, Mike


  On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, QM editor wrote: 
My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a Ford 
trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and there 
were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does anyone know of 
this? From one website I discovered that the correct distributor is a Bosch 
type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. The Haines manual says Bosch 
or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I found was type 0 237 601 001, 
Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA. 

Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did 
they use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while the 
one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at all! 
Advice please so I can get going again!

Many thanks, Mike
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-28 Thread russell 

I've had a similar fault on my saloon with the car cutting out twice when 
pulling away at a roundabout. The first time I accidentally fixed it when 
making sure 
everything was tight, no fuel leaks etc, the second time I realised it was the 
ignition lead from coil to distributor had pulled out slightly due to the lead 
being a little 
short and a bit of movement in the engine mountings. In true DIY fashion it 
hasn't been fixed as now I know what it is and just push it back in.

Regards, Russell 

> Message Received: Mar 28 2017, 10:55 AM
> From: "'Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group" 
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> Cc: 
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor
> 
> The fault might simply be that the lead into the top of the distributor cap 
> is working itself loose. Using a company car I had the embarrassing experience
> of calling the company workshop staff out on a 30 mile return trip at 10.30 
> p.m. as I was returning from a meeting in the Midlands. The engine had cut 
> out and I 
had coasted to a halt at a dangerous point where the road passed an airfield.
> 
> 
> The fitter arrived sometime around 11.15 p.m. opened the bonnet, pushed down 
> on the lead in the socket on the top of the distributor and said, 'Now try 
> it', it 
started and ran faultlessly all the way back to the Ford Research and 
Engineering Centre where the car, and I, were based.
> 
> 
> As I expect you have been told already the connection to the crankshaft 
> position sensor is also a potential trouble spot.
> 
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Susan and Martin Scott 
> To: quantumowners 
> Sent: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 9:05
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor
> 
> 
> 
> Unless you can see anything obviouse (eg black 'tracking' or burn out contact 
> on cap) it's probably the black unit on the side, in which case it's possibly 
> cheaper 
(just as easy?) to get one of those and fit to the part you have.
> Martin
> 
> - Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: QM editor 
> 
> To: Quantum Owners Group 
> 
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 11:12 PM
> 
> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks everyone, and specially Chris. I'm familiar with the spring clips and 
> had not seen a pair of screws to hold the cap before - so mine with the 
> screws 
must be Lucas. Are they completely interchangeable? There seem to be many types 
available on the usual websites but as soon as I try to specify the exact 
one I can't find one like that. 
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone know if they are all more or less the same and it doesn't matter 
> which one you use, so long as it has the same fitting? Does a recon one come 
with an oil seal? Presumably a new one does? I have till the end of next month 
to get this car going, I don't want to go to Stoneleigh in my tin top Suzuki!
> 
> Thanks again, Mike
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, QM editor wrote: 
> 
> My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
> usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a 
> Ford 
trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and there 
were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does anyone know of 
this? From one website I discovered that the correct distributor is a Bosch 
type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. The Haines manual says Bosch 
or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I found was type 0 237 601 001, 
Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA. 
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did they 
> use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while the 
one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at all! 
Advice please so I 
can get going again!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Many thanks, Mike
> 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-28 Thread 'Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group 
The fault might simply be that the lead into the top of the distributor cap is 
working itself loose.  Using a company car I had the embarrassing experience
of calling the company workshop staff out on a 30 mile return trip at 10.30 
p.m. as I was returning from a meeting in the Midlands. The engine had cut out 
and I had coasted to a halt at a dangerous point where the road passed an 
airfield.


The fitter arrived sometime around 11.15 p.m. opened the bonnet, pushed down on 
the lead in the socket on the top of the distributor and said, 'Now try it', it 
started and ran faultlessly all the way back to the Ford Research and 
Engineering Centre where the car, and I, were based.


As I expect you have been told already the connection to the crankshaft 
position sensor  is also a potential trouble spot.


Michael



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From: Susan and Martin Scott <susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk>
To: quantumowners <quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 9:05
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor



Unless you can see anything obviouse (eg black 'tracking' or burn out contact 
on cap) it's probably the black unit on the side, in which case it's possibly 
cheaper (just as easy?) to get one of those and fit to the part you have.
Martin
  
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From:   QM editor 
  
To: Quantum Owners Group 
  
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 11:12   PM
  
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2   distributor
  


  
Thanks everyone, and specially Chris. I'm familiar with the   spring clips and 
had not seen a pair of screws to hold the cap before - so   mine with the 
screws must be Lucas. Are they completely interchangeable? There   seem to be 
many types available on the usual websites but as soon as I try to   specify 
the exact one I can't find one like that.  


  
Does anyone know if they are all more or less the same and it doesn't   matter 
which one you use, so long as it has the same fitting? Does a recon one   come 
with an oil seal? Presumably a new one does? I have till the end of next   
month to get this car going, I don't want to go to Stoneleigh in my tin top   
Suzuki!

Thanks again, Mike
  


On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, QM editor wrote:  

My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a 
Ford trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and 
there were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does 
anyone know of this? From one website I discovered that the correct 
distributor is a Bosch type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. 
The Haines manual says Bosch or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I 
found was type 0 237 601 001, Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA.



Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did 
they use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while 
the one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at 
all! Advice please so I can get going again!




Many thanks, Mike


  
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-27 Thread chris.quant 
I’ve also had the same problem with the coil. When was the last time that was 
changed?

Chris G

From: QM editor 
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 11:12 PM
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

Thanks everyone, and specially Chris. I'm familiar with the spring clips and 
had not seen a pair of screws to hold the cap before - so mine with the screws 
must be Lucas. Are they completely interchangeable? There seem to be many types 
available on the usual websites but as soon as I try to specify the exact one I 
can't find one like that. 

Does anyone know if they are all more or less the same and it doesn't matter 
which one you use, so long as it has the same fitting? Does a recon one come 
with an oil seal? Presumably a new one does? I have till the end of next month 
to get this car going, I don't want to go to Stoneleigh in my tin top Suzuki!

Thanks again, Mike


On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, QM editor wrote: 
  My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a Ford 
trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and there 
were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does anyone know of 
this? From one website I discovered that the correct distributor is a Bosch 
type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. The Haines manual says Bosch 
or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I found was type 0 237 601 001, 
Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA. 

  Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did they 
use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while the 
one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at all! 
Advice please so I can get going again!

  Many thanks, Mike
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-27 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
Unless you can see anything obviouse (eg black 'tracking' or burn out contact 
on cap) it's probably the black unit on the side, in which case it's possibly 
cheaper (just as easy?) to get one of those and fit to the part you have.
Martin
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  Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 11:12 PM
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor


  Thanks everyone, and specially Chris. I'm familiar with the spring clips and 
had not seen a pair of screws to hold the cap before - so mine with the screws 
must be Lucas. Are they completely interchangeable? There seem to be many types 
available on the usual websites but as soon as I try to specify the exact one I 
can't find one like that.


  Does anyone know if they are all more or less the same and it doesn't matter 
which one you use, so long as it has the same fitting? Does a recon one come 
with an oil seal? Presumably a new one does? I have till the end of next month 
to get this car going, I don't want to go to Stoneleigh in my tin top Suzuki!

  Thanks again, Mike


  On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, QM editor wrote:
My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a Ford 
trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and there 
were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does anyone know of 
this? From one website I discovered that the correct distributor is a Bosch 
type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. The Haines manual says Bosch 
or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I found was type 0 237 601 001, 
Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA.


Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did 
they use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while the 
one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at all! 
Advice please so I can get going again!


Many thanks, Mike

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[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

2017-03-27 Thread QM editor 
Thanks everyone, and specially Chris. I'm familiar with the spring clips 
and had not seen a pair of screws to hold the cap before - so mine with the 
screws must be Lucas. Are they completely interchangeable? There seem to be 
many types available on the usual websites but as soon as I try to specify 
the exact one I can't find one like that.

Does anyone know if they are all more or less the same and it doesn't 
matter which one you use, so long as it has the same fitting? Does a recon 
one come with an oil seal? Presumably a new one does? I have till the end 
of next month to get this car going, I don't want to go to Stoneleigh in my 
tin top Suzuki!

Thanks again, Mike


On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, QM editor wrote:
>
> My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
> usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a 
> Ford trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and 
> there were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does 
> anyone know of this? From one website I discovered that the correct 
> distributor is a Bosch type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. 
> The Haines manual says Bosch or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I 
> found was type 0 237 601 001, Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA.
>
> Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did 
> they use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
> effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while 
> the one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at 
> all! Advice please so I can get going again!
>
> Many thanks, Mike
>

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