[SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
Hi there. Sorry if there's an obvious answer to this but I haven't had any luck finding one. I've just got a Squeezebox Radio after owning a Logik internet radio for years which gave me the ability to listen to On Demand shows on BBC stations without my PC being turned on, yet I can't seem to find how to do this on the Squeezebox. (Tbh I can't even manage to do it with my PC turned on now as I can't get anything from the Apps bit other than streaming live radio). Is there a way to do this or is it not possible? -- fernandoweb fernandoweb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34457 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
You need a PC to listen to BBC iPlayer Listen Again. To listen to BBC "Listen Again" you need to install the BBCiPlayer plugin on your PC NAS. You can find the BBCiPlayer plugin on WebUI Settings/Plugins - check the BBCiPlayer plugin and then click Apply - SBS will need to be restarted. To play BBC Listen Again - the player needs to support the protocol being used which is currently RealAudio, Flash/AAC or Flash/MP3 (UK only). From Mar 2010 RealAudio will be dropped and WMA is supposed to replace it. The older generation of SB players does not support RealAudio or AAC so transcode support is needed which is the main reason a PC is needed and why it made no sense for MySB to support "Listen Again". The new generation of players have the capability to support more protocols. Initially Touch and Radio only supported AAC and BBCiPlayer handled the Flash protocol and the audio stream was passed without transcoding to Touch/Radio. The latest beta have Flash protocol handled by Radio / Touch so the processing by SBS is now minimal suitable for low powered NAS based servers or even Touch. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
The BBC have started "Listen Again" in WMA format. At Beebotron they have a web page with WMA links for Listen Again ( http://beebotron.org/index3lite.php?reload ) If the Beebotron guys could be persuaded to put this page up in OPML or RSS format as well then BBC Listen Again could be available without a PC to SB3, Boom, Transporter as well as Touch and radio. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
Thank you, that's really helpful. -- fernandoweb fernandoweb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34457 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
Beebotron. What a funny site. Is it designed for the Lynx browser? It's far too forgiving of the BBC for me. MC -- ModelCitizen Think the third party Squeeze plugins and applets are important? Then 'vote for bug 14194' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14194) so more can be made. Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
> > Beebotron. What a funny site. Is it designed for the Lynx browser? > It is quite an old site. Designed for mobile phone of a few years ago which had minimal browsers. The intent was for users to just click the program they want to play as RealPlayer is available for most mobiles. The original Beebotron used the same technique as AlienBBC - web screen scraping. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
I've just received my SQ Radio and have been having the same problem as 'fernandoweb'. So is there no way of using iPlayer listen again feature without ones PC turned on? That's the main reason I bought it! Lee -- leemortimer leemortimer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
bpa;488740 Wrote: > The BBC have started "Listen Again" in WMA format. > > At Beebotron they have a web page with WMA links for Listen Again ( > http://beebotron.org/index3lite.php?reload ) > > If the Beebotron guys could be persuaded to put this page up in OPML or > RSS format as well then BBC Listen Again could be available without a PC > to SB3, Boom, Transporter as well as Touch and radio. > > edit: > Another possibility is if the iPlayerconverter site offered a WMA > version of the RSS feeds which may be possible as it is hinted on the > sites home page. > http://www.iplayerconverter.co.uk/reciva_instructions.aspx Interesting. I've just noticed www.mysqueezebox.com has a Podcast Player app. This appears to want an OPML feed (or perhaps RSS). The Beeb has a podcast page, e.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/, but I can't find a feed. So you're saying if we could find a feed then we could get a list of Listen Again podcasts, and then select on to play as MP3 (rather than Real Audio)? -- Simon300 Simon300's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30835 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
The URL which provides a complete list of BBC podcast in OPML format is http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/opml/bbc_podcast_opml.opml Some podcasts can only be played if you are in the UK and some are "enhanced" which have video and can result in problems in playback. Podcasts are only a small subset of what is available from "Listen Again". There is some hope as BBC is making progress with "Listen Again" in WMA format although it is still testing. Once BBC have finalised their WMA offering - it should be possible to be more definitive about whether the WMA version of "Listen Again" could be made available from a private website to players on MySB.com. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2009/12/wma_listen_again.shtml -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
leemortimer;496804 Wrote: > So is there no way of using iPlayer listen again feature without ones PC > turned on? That's the main reason I bought it! Until BBCiPlayer is implemented on mysqueezebox.com, you will need to run Squeezebox Server on a local device. This needn't be a PC - for example, you could use the QNAP NAS as a fit-and-forget solution. -- majones majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
> > Until BBCiPlayer is implemented on mysqueezebox.com, > There are other possibilities. Such as on Beebotron or iplayerconverter which currently provides URLs for the RealAudio stream but RealAudio will be gone in March 2010 and I expect these sites will move over to the WMA URLs. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
bpa;496915 Wrote: > The URL which provides a complete list of BBC podcast in OPML format is > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/opml/bbc_podcast_opml.opml > > Some podcasts can only be played if you are in the UK and some are > "enhanced" which have video and can result in problems in playback. > > Podcasts are only a small subset of what is available from "Listen > Again". There is some hope as BBC is making progress with "Listen > Again" in WMA format although it is still testing. Once BBC have > finalised their WMA offering - it should be possible to be more > definitive about whether the WMA version of "Listen Again" could be made > available from a private website to players on MySB.com. > > See http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2009/12/wma_listen_again.shtml Thanks for this bpa! I added http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/opml/bbc_podcast_opml.opml as a "BBC Podcasts" item on the Podcast app on MySB.com - I can then browse the podcast from my radio. Strangley not all of them seem to work (perhaps due to errors in the opml feed or content being removed?). I've also downloaded both "BBC iPlayer" and bpa's excellent "BBC iPlayer Extras" app to my LinkStation NAS SC/SBS. I find this business of switching between the local SBS (for BBC iPlayer/Extras, my music) and MySB.com (for the BBC app for live radio) a bit confusing though - you really want it be transparent to the user most of the time. Ideally I think I'd just have my NAS powered up when I'm likely to listen to music and use MySB.com for everything else (including occasional very early alarms). Finally it would be great when there is some standardisation on what the BBC provides - for a novice it's tricky to know what to use. (perhaps I'll write a SB wiki page when I've finally worked it out myself!) -- Simon300 Simon300's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30835 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
> > Strangley not all of them seem to work (perhaps due to errors in the > opml feed or content being removed?). > if using the opml on MySB - then the OPML feed will be processed by MySB server based in Germany and perhaps BBC will not supply the UK only podcast through this servers. Try the OPML feed URL as a Favorite on your SBS. > > I find this business of switching between the local SBS (for BBC > iPlayer/Extras, my music) and MySB.com (for the BBC app for live radio) > Two solutions to avoid switching. 1. Use the live streams on BBCiPlayer 2. Install BBC App when connected to SBS > > Finally it would be great when there is some standardisation on what > the BBC provides - for a novice it's tricky to know what to use. > (perhaps I'll write a SB wiki page when I've finally worked it out > myself!) > The BBCiPlayer written by Triode (not Logitech) use an XML feed from the BBC. BBCiPlayerExtra written by bpa (not Logitech) uses RSS feeds from BBC. BBC App written by Logitech uses WMA URLs . Posdcast player fromLogitechs using a BBC OPML feeds. Standardisation is difficult since BBC haven't got a single uniform source of programs (XML, RSS, OPML and URLs) and you have 3 authors. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
bpa;498058 Wrote: > if using the opml on MySB - then the OPML feed will be processed by MySB > server based in Germany and perhaps BBC will not supply the UK only > podcast through this servers. > > Try the OPML feed URL as a Favorite on your SBS. > > Two solutions to avoid switching. > 1. Use the live streams on BBCiPlayer > 2. Install BBC App when connected to SBS > > The BBCiPlayer written by Triode (not Logitech) use an XML feed from > the BBC. BBCiPlayerExtra written by bpa (not Logitech) uses RSS feeds > from BBC. BBC App written by Logitech uses WMA URLs . Posdcast player > fromLogitechs using a BBC OPML feeds. > > Standardisation is difficult since BBC haven't got a single uniform > source of programs (XML, RSS, OPML and URLs) and you have 3 authors. Thanks for the comments bpa. 1. I'm sure when I tried to use the live streams on BBCiPlayer it didn't play - perhaps the SB Radio can't play the format and the LinkStation NAS with 7.3.3 can't decode it either. Or maybe it was a problem with my broadband connection (my ISP has just implemented traffic shaping in a sledgehammer manner). 2. Yes I wondered about that, but unfortunately the BBC App doesn't show up under my Plugins settings, possibly because it's 7.3.3 not 7.4.x? Is there a Logitech repository URL I can use (like I did to see your BBCiPlayerExtra app) or will I have to wait for 7.4? (7.4 is not currently available on LS stock firmware - see various discussions on 3rd Party Hardware forum) I heard on the news today that BBC have announced some iPlayer "net TV" standardisation (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8426104.stm) so maybe this will trickle down to radio content too. I suppose what I'd expect from the BBC is a definitive list of format(s) and the same content on all of them. That said I assume this is a learning period for them too to try and work out what formats become most common etc. It's great that there are knowledgable people on the forums to fill in the gaps for us! -- Simon300 Simon300's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30835 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
> > > 1. I'm sure when I tried to use the live streams on BBCiPlayer it > didn't play - perhaps the SB Radio can't play the format and the > LinkStation NAS with 7.3.3 can't decode it either. Or maybe it was a > problem with my broadband connection (my ISP has just implemented > traffic shaping in a sledgehammer manner). > SBRadio and Touch have the best support and Radio can in fact support BBC Flash/AAC natively (currently in test). By default BBCiPlayer will play Flash/AAC for Live and Listen Again. You Linkstation may not be set up with the correct version of faad (to decode AAC) or else not powerful enough - in which change the BBCiPlayer setting to prefer WMA. > > 2. Yes I wondered about that, but unfortunately the BBC App doesn't > show up under my Plugins settings, possibly because it's 7.3.3 not > 7.4.x? Is there a Logitech repository URL I can use (like I did to see > your BBCiPlayerExtra app) or will I have to wait for 7.4? > BBC App is an App not a Plugin so you'll find it under App gallery to install and My Apps when installed. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes
Simon300, I think you BBCiPlayer / SBRadio problems arise because it seems you are using 7.3 with an SB Radio. 7.4 is the minimum supported SBS version for SBRadio -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71706 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
