Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best alarm clock ever!!!
eap;461736 Wrote: How often does your home network go down? For me it happens about as often as a power failure (usually caused by a power failure), and then no alarm clock that I have now works. eap;461737 Wrote: He is not saying the alarm fails, he is just saying it doesn't stay on for more than 30 seconds. Well, well. I missed these yesterday. Let me help you: 1) You should go buy a $5 generic brand alarm clock. It has battery backup and FM radio. It will work even when the power is out. Or try and find a mechanical clock. 2) The purpose of an alarm is to wake-up people. Oversleeping means failure. All in all, when the situation is terribly degraded for the Boom, I want to see it ooze the last milliwatt it has trying to wake me. At that moment, it must be its one purpose. And I don't care if the sound is ugly, if the display goes blank, if it needs complete reboot afterwards, ... Same goes for the Radio of course. I hope the Radio can use its big brains and battery to power its amp and boost the volume of the alarm, alternate sounds/frequencies (wake up the dog??), flash its screen, try what's available on line in... Whatever it takes. -- epoch1970 epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68252 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best alarm clock ever!!!
mkozlows;461951 Wrote: Okay, so things that I absolutely love about my current Sony alarm clock (which I am weirdly passionate about), and which are must haves on any BEST EVER alarm clock: 1. It shows the alarm time when the alarm is enabled. So it's not just a little red light or whatever, it's 7:20 AM, so I don't get tricked by having re-set my alarm to a different time and forgetting to set it back. ... From what I've seen, I don't think any Squeezebox has any of these features, but I'd love it if I'm wrong, because I don't need much in the way of excuses to add a fourth Squeezebox to the house. The SB3 shows the time of the next alarm when SB3 is OFF. Not enough room on Boom display but quick tap on snooze button will tell you time of next alarm. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68252 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best alarm clock ever!!!
But they are dragging thier feet regarding making the backup tone last longer on the boom. The other older players can not be improved on, it's only the boom (of the old players ) that have an on board real time clock and can function without any server at all, making it better than an SB3 in this regard. So making the backup tone 30 minutes would be a good start. What is puzzling with the boom is that it can only remeber one alarm on it's own so more than 24h of any server is blows the alarm . Why not putting 0.01$ on an rtc chip with an weekly schedule, very strange decission ? I hope/assume that the new players can remember more than one day. This would be easy for the Touch as it can be it's own squeezecenter, making all this very possible. I don't know what radio could do, but an applet for it would not be unlikely, products are not released yet so I have not seen one irl . But the new line has far more brains than the old ones soo if someone made it a priority I think they could be much more reliable as alarms than the old products. -- Mnyb No it can NOT be controlled with iTunes Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68252 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best alarm clock ever!!!
Goodsounds;461656 Wrote: Why think of these products as anything other than great network music players/devices with an alarm function? It's a bonus, not a core function. It's no more reliable than your and my crappy networks, patched together with products and technology made by others and out of the company's control. Because one of it's features is an alarm clock. It's as simple as that. And an alarm clock should not fail for two reasons: 1) We set an alarm because we -have- to get up 2) Because an alarm clock is such a simple technical device to get right. I can use my Nokia mobile phone as an alarm clock. This is not it's primary function, but it works every time without fail. And I can use a 1 alarm clock which also never fails. But if a 150-250 device which claims to also be an alarm clock fails then there is a serious problem. Now, I have to say very clearly here that I have not had any problems with my Boom working as an alarm clock. But then as it's in my kitchen I hardly use this feature. But I am contemplating buying the Radio for my bedside and I would like to use this as my alarm clock. But if it is not realiable then what is the use? -- Justme Justme's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68252 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best alarm clock ever!!!
sander;461652 Wrote: The issue with the Boom, and apparently the other new models, is that they're no more reliable as alarm clocks than the original slimp3. Despite all the marketing and promises, when the network is down the new units will tell time, but the alarms will only play for either 30 or 60 seconds and stop. If they were indeed the best alarm clock ever they would be completely dependable, and would have additional settings for fall back alarms and such. As they are they are less reliable than traditional alarm clock. If you choose an internet stream to wake you up, you have two points of failure with no recourse. Given the premium paid for these devices its ridiculous that this charade has gone on for so long. Now, I have a boom and the issue only has affected me once, but its pathetic that Logitech considers this a low priority issue when it's a promise they've been making for almost two years now. If you told someone you paid more than $100 for an alarm clock (more than $200 in my case) which wasn't completely reliable, they would laugh in your face. I love the Squeezecenter system, but its ridiculous that if I really need to get up the morning I'm better off relying on a 15 year old Sony Dream Machine over a system I bought less than a year ago for more than ten times the price! If the power is out my Sony Dream Machine doesn't work at all and it has no network connectivity whatsoever, so I'm limited to staticy terresterial radio. It sounds like with the boom when the network is down (which happens almost never for me at home) -- you still get an alarm, it just doesn't go off forever? I wake up in the first few seconds of any alarm -- so this sounds like it won't be a problem for me. 30 or 60 seconds is more than enough to wake me up. Also, I'll be wired (not wireless), so should be even less of an issue for me. -- eap eap's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32788 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68252 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best alarm clock ever!!!
sander;461782 Wrote: Like I said earlier, in about a year of ownership this has only affected me once, when my server crashed, but this is really pure luck. The problem is there is no fallback in the current alarm settings. In order for me to wake up to a streaming radio station, the boom has to be networked, Squeezecenter has to be running, the internet connection has to be working, and radio station has to be up. If any of the last 3 aren't working the alarm just doesn't go off. If the boom isn't networked it plays some sound for a minute and stops. All of which are unacceptable for a high end device like this marketed as an alarm clock. I can make a case the Boom is a great alarm clock. I have access to a tremendous amount of content. I can have it fade as I got to sleep. Powersave shuts down the device once the songs over, and AutoDim makes it go completely dark for most of the night. But this lack of redundancy in the alarms is a black mark on this and other Squeezebox products. The boom forums have been full of this complaint for a while now. Logitech should fix it or stop touting it in their marketing material. Isn't the fall back the one minute of alarm? My alarm is usually on for less than 1 second before I'm up. What's wrong with one minute? -- eap eap's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32788 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68252 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best alarm clock ever!!!
eap;461790 Wrote: What's wrong with one minute? Right. This is the question that needs to be answered. Is it too quiet? Not obnoxious enough? Does it need to play for longer (if so, how long)? File an enhancement request on bugs.slimdevices.com. Logitech is good at addressing this stuff, and improving existing products through software updates. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ free plugins: http://www.tux.org/~peterw/#slim AllQuiet BlankSaver ContextMenu FuzzyTime KidsPlay KitchenTimer PlayLog PowerCenter/BottleRocket SaverSwitcher SettingsManager SleepFade StatusFirst SyncOptions VolumeLock peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68252 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best alarm clock ever!!!
Mnyb wrote: B Why not putting 0.01$ on an rtc chip with an weekly schedule, very strange decission ? got the part number handy for that 1 cent rtc? -kdf ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best alarm clock ever!!!
The alarm code has not been touched since before the Boom was released despite having several outstanding bugs against it. My Boom and SB3 alarms have failed recently for three reasons: 1) The alarm code does not handle the new BBC iPlayer playlists 2) There is a bug in the way it lists favourites 3) Power cut leading to router failure (back up alarm failed despite power recovery). The alarm functionality needs work. If the originator of the current code can't continue with it Logitec should find (and pay) someone else to update it. Goodsounds. The Boom was sold as a bedside radio/alarm/hifi (amongst other things). The Radio is aimed directly at bedside use. For these devices a reliable alarm is definitely a core function. MC -- ModelCitizen Think the third party Squeeze plugins and applets are important? Then 'vote for bug 14194' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14194) so more can be made. Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68252 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best alarm clock ever!!!
The Squeezebox Radio does not have a special purpose RTC chip, it has a low power general purpose microcontroller with an accurate crystal. It also has, like Boom, a backup super-capacitor, which can power that microcontroller for up to 24 hours when the power goes out to keep time. This processor can also be powered by the rechargeable battery, and in fact, manages the battery charging and can power up (and down) the main CPU. The current plan is to copy the basic behavior that Boom has in the case of a power and/or network loss. Preserve the real time clock and, in the case that the network isn't available remember when the next alarm time is and play a back-up alarm sound if it can't play the network audio. If you have the optional battery installed and there's no AC power available, Radio can also power itself up before the alarm time and play back the network audio if there's a network available, then fail back to the built-in alarm sound. I think this is a great first-cut for the 1.0 release. Because the main CPU and the microcontroller can both be upgraded in future releases, there's plenty of opportunity for improvement. Please let the team know how you think this can be improved... -- dean dean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68252 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best alarm clock ever!!!
eap;461790 Wrote: My alarm is usually on for less than 1 second before I'm up. What's wrong with one minute? Mine is on for 5 minutes before I emerge. At least. What's wrong with playing the tone until the user presses stop or off ? Why should the interaction be any different from the normal alarm, that can play up to 90 minutes ? (In fact, I also think it should go louder than the normal alarm. ) -- epoch1970 epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68252 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best alarm clock ever!!!
I'm not a tester, but according to another thread the alarm clock functionality in the radio is the same as the boom. If you have trouble with the boom you'll have trouble with the radio. I hope Logitech will get their stuff together and fix the functionality of these multi-hundred dollar alarm clocks to give the same level of dependability of say a 1 dollar promotional item. -- sander sander's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10737 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68252 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best alarm clock ever!!!
Keymaster;460913 Wrote: The SB Radio is THE BEST ALARM CLOCK SINCE THE INVENTION OF TIME AND/OR THE 5 DAY WORK WEEK (although I would imagine that somewhere a chicken and egg are offended). Working for Logitech must be really enjoyable, because I was talking with a colleague yesterday, and we were both ready to kill the man who invented the 5 day work week with our own hands for not having preferred the 5 day weekend. ;) Bert0123;461413 Wrote: I wish the same was true for the Boom, which is not so reliable because it most of the time works, but not always. In 3 years I own a SB and use it as my alarm clock, my Classic never ever failed to wake me up in the morning. Sometimes, because I got to sleep too late (and a bit too drunk), it took it up to an hour to do so, but it always succeeded. My only complain with the SB used as an alarm clock so far, is that it doesn't (yet) read my mind and automatically turns off/delays an alarm when I don't have to wake up at all/so early in the morning, and I forgot to change the alarm accordingly. That's what I'd call the best invention since... say... holidays. ;) -- sebp System : Mac Mini for ripping to FLAC (XLD) SqueezeCenter 7.3 running on a ReadyNAS NV+ Living room : Transporter NuForce IA-7 v2 KEF iQ9 Bedroom : Squeezebox 3 Beresford DAC NAD C315BEE KEF iQ3 Kitchen : SB Receiver Trends Audio TA10.1 Celestion F10 Bathroom : SB Boom 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68252 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best alarm clock ever!!!
The issue with the Boom, and apparently the other new models, is that they're no more reliable as alarm clocks than the original slimp3. Despite all the marketing and promises, when the network is down the new units will tell time, but the alarms will only play for either 30 or 60 seconds and stop. If they were indeed the best alarm clock ever they would be completely dependable, and would have additional settings for fall back alarms and such. As they are they are less reliable than traditional alarm clock. If you choose an internet stream to wake you up, you have two points of failure with no recourse. Given the premium paid for these devices its ridiculous that this charade has gone on for so long. Now, I have a boom and the issue only has affected me once, but its pathetic that Logitech considers this a low priority issue when it's a promise they've been making for almost two years now. If you told someone you paid more than $100 for an alarm clock (more than $200 in my case) which wasn't completely reliable, they would laugh in your face. I love the Squeezecenter system, but its ridiculous that if I really need to get up the morning I'm better off relying on a 15 year old Sony Dream Machine over a system I bought less than a year ago for more than ten times the price! -- sander sander's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10737 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68252 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best alarm clock ever!!!
Good to hear! I wish the same was true for the Boom, which is not so reliable because it most of the time works, but not always. And with this invention of the 5 day work week I can't afford to get to work too late 1 or 2 days a month because the Boom failed to wake me up... -- Bert0123 Bert0123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68252 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
