[RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ NRC

[Bill M.]

You sure he didn't mean a 26" frame size (not wheel size)?

On Dec 12, 11:42 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 14:40 -0500, Robert Zeidler wrote:
> > I concur with your opinion on the Paramount.  I, too, have a few of the 26" 
> > bikes, all 531 , and find they are rock steady.  Is this a 27" wheel thing 
> > maybe?
>
> I do not recall a 1972 Paramount coming with 26" wheels.  FWIW, mine had
> 27".  The other option was tubulars.

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Lights Pondering

[Bill M.]

Reflective tape intended for use inside the rim was once sold under
the name Sidelights.  The package looked like this:

http://www.metroped.org/sc/sidelight.htm

They were very reflective, and showed up well from the front, back or
sides.  I haven't seen them in years.  The advent of v-section rims
may have done them in, they would not have conformed well to the sharp
bend.

I don't think that standard reflective tapes would work as well, but
it could still do some good.  I do like reflective sidewall tires for
commuting at night.

Bill

On Dec 12, 11:52 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> I read a suggestion somewhere (Sheldon?  PJW?) to put reflective tape
> strips on the INSIDE of the rim, facing the hub. Since this surface
> faces alternately front and rear, and is in motion, it is supposedly
> very effective.
>
> Anybody doing this?
>
> Pete
> On Dec 12, 10:55 am, JimD  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On my commute for dark times of the year I want to be REAL visible.
>
> > My take is that making oneself visible among many car lights, various  
> > street lights, and
> > commercial signage, one's bike can't be over lit.
>
> > I have 2 bright front LED lights, a Dinotte rear light and accompany  
> > the Dinotte with two planet bike blinkys.
> > I'm using the Riv wheel reflectors, Riv ankle reflectors, and a  
> > reflective vest. I have an eos led on my helmet
> > (mainly for getting the attention of cars at intersections). I'm going  
> > for the 'It Came From OuterSpace' look
> > and it seems to work.
>
> > Riding home on Friday I met a bicycler with Niteiz Spokelits on his  
> > front wheel.
> > When he was moving his bike  was quite visible from the side.
> > Looking on the Google I see that these use CR2016 batteries so that  
> > isn't such a good thing.
> > As lights go they aren't too dear ~ USD $ 8.
>
> > Anyone using Spokelits?
>
> > I'm also intrigued by Monkey Lights but my lighting compulsion isn't  
> > so strong (yet) that I'm going to
> > spend ~ USD $ 60. They do look like fun but a bit of a kludge.
>
> > Light em up,
> > JimD

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[RBW] shimmy

[dpco]

in the eighties i had a bianchi ( superleggera, reparto corsa) that
would shimmy. i have noticed, over the years, that the new frames,
including my riv's, with the the new tubing seem to have more strength
torsionally. my experience is that these modern frames are much less
likely to shimmy than their older counterparts. i also had a basso
"loto" that was prone to shimmy. my rivs, ( ram, rom, and roadeo )
have never showed any sign of shimmy. of course, they were constructed
with the modern, larger diameter tubing.even grant p. once mentioned
that his current framesets( from the ram on) are much better than the
old small diameter tubesets of the old days.
bottom line, steel is real and continues to improve.
don c.

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[RBW] Re: Cold Weather Eye Protection

[climbthemtns]

Here's another great solution and on the very cheap.

Mag-Safe Safety Glasses
Cheap, no fog, photochromatic & more

http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/003418.php

Also here:  
http://jeff.typepad.com/marathon/2008/12/a-solution-to-reading-that-tiny-watch.html

Cheers

Michael DiBenedetto
www.lifeforcemassage.com
3190 Old Tunnel Rd. Suite C
Lafayette, CA. 94549
925-899-2785

On Dec 12, 12:43 am, Michael DiBenedetto 
wrote:
> There are military-like goggles that are small and have replaceable lens 
> (clear & dark).
> I'll look at mine tomorrow to get brand.
> They work wonders & don't fog.
> Also, there are similar goggles to those sold at motorcycle shops. Try a 
> Harley store.
>
> Michael DiBenedettowww.lifeforcemassage.com
> 3190 Old Tunnel Rd. Suite C
> Lafayette, CA. 94549
> 925-899-2785
>
> On Dec 11, 2010, at 11:24 PM, John Blish  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Kelly,
>
> > There is no perfect solution here but the goggles are your best bet.  Not 
> > sure where you live, but if you buy them at REI (including web store, 
> > rei.com) you can always return them if they don't work to your 
> > satisfaction, even after a good, lengthy test period.  It is hard to find 
> > snow goggles without a tint.
>
> > Disclaimer:  I am former REI employee.
>
> > later
>
> > -jb  
>
> > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Kelly  wrote:
> > Feet - Check - Wood Socks.. Boots whatever for temp
> > Legs- Check - Wool underwear.. Musa - or jeans good to 25 degrees - Snow 
> > pants over wool and musa - down to 8 degrees
> > Body - Check - Any number of base layers, a shirt, sweater, many different 
> > coats ../ turtle necks etc good to negative temps
> > head- Check- Balaclava or two with beenie as needed .. can make my head 
> > sweat down to very low temps.
> > Eyes-- anything under 30 degrees I get headaches from the winds and my 
> > glasses getting to cold for my nose... off is worse.
>
> > Anyway.. looking for snow skiing goggles with clear lens for night riding 
> > or changable.. found several (no clear lenses yet) just haven't pulled the 
> > trigger .. all under 50 bucks and look like they would make riding more 
> > fun.  No fogging up when I cover my nose with the balaclava - good vision 
> > (think glasses will still be wearable inside them)  trying to think of what 
> > negative I'm missing...
>
> > Could it really just be a good idea?
>
> > hmmm
>
> > off to the store tomorrow.
>
> > later
> > Kelly
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Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Eye Protection

[Jon Jandoc]

Portland Design Works recently put out some inexpensive foldable
goggles. http://www.ridepdw.com/goods/whathaveyou/mach-schnell™-goggles

Jon Jandoc
Los Angeles, CA

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Kelly  wrote:
>
> Feet - Check - Wood Socks.. Boots whatever for temp
> Legs- Check - Wool underwear.. Musa - or jeans good to 25 degrees - Snow 
> pants over wool and musa - down to 8 degrees
> Body - Check - Any number of base layers, a shirt, sweater, many different 
> coats ../ turtle necks etc good to negative temps
> head- Check- Balaclava or two with beenie as needed .. can make my head sweat 
> down to very low temps.
> Eyes-- anything under 30 degrees I get headaches from the winds and my 
> glasses getting to cold for my nose... off is worse.
>
> Anyway.. looking for snow skiing goggles with clear lens for night riding or 
> changable.. found several (no clear lenses yet) just haven't pulled the 
> trigger .. all under 50 bucks and look like they would make riding more fun.  
> No fogging up when I cover my nose with the balaclava - good vision (think 
> glasses will still be wearable inside them)  trying to think of what negative 
> I'm missing...
>
> Could it really just be a good idea?
>
> hmmm
>
> off to the store tomorrow.
>
> later
> Kelly
>
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[RBW] Re: Wheel Lights Pondering

[Benedikt]

I also really liked the Schwalbe tires with the reflective strip until
about 2 months of riding in the Seattle rain covered them with an
incredibly hard to wash off layer of grime.

On Dec 12, 10:24 am, Travis  wrote:
> I have a friend who uses a little knog lights on his hubs. If you were
> okay with that method, you could try it with the Blackburn Flea, which
> is tiny but rechargeable. Otherwise, hose little watch batteries are
> just awful, they're expensive and don't last very long.
>
> That being said, I think spoke lights are fun, but my feeling is that
> they aren't bright enough to be seen during the day, and are less
> bright than reflectors after dark. What I really like are Schwalbe
> tires with the reflective sidewalls - they are surprisingly bright and
> offer a large reflective surface area.
>
> Travis
>
> On Dec 12, 10:55 am, JimD  wrote:
>
> > On my commute for dark times of the year I want to be REAL visible.
>
> > My take is that making oneself visible among many car lights, various  
> > street lights, and
> > commercial signage, one's bike can't be over lit.
>
> > I have 2 bright front LED lights, a Dinotte rear light and accompany  
> > the Dinotte with two planet bike blinkys.
> > I'm using the Riv wheel reflectors, Riv ankle reflectors, and a  
> > reflective vest. I have an eos led on my helmet
> > (mainly for getting the attention of cars at intersections). I'm going  
> > for the 'It Came From OuterSpace' look
> > and it seems to work.
>
> > Riding home on Friday I met a bicycler with Niteiz Spokelits on his  
> > front wheel.
> > When he was moving his bike  was quite visible from the side.
> > Looking on the Google I see that these use CR2016 batteries so that  
> > isn't such a good thing.
> > As lights go they aren't too dear ~ USD $ 8.
>
> > Anyone using Spokelits?
>
> > I'm also intrigued by Monkey Lights but my lighting compulsion isn't  
> > so strong (yet) that I'm going to
> > spend ~ USD $ 60. They do look like fun but a bit of a kludge.
>
> > Light em up,
> > JimD

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RE: [RBW] 'Round the Mountain Ride 12-12-10 - a set on Flickr

[jim phillips]

Amazing pics! Gorgeous scenery.

JimP

> From: campyonly...@me.com
> Subject: [RBW] 'Round the Mountain Ride 12-12-10 - a set on Flickr
> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:17:04 -0800
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
> Today's wool/leather/lugged steel ride led us to the Napa County backcountry:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157625459118305/with/5254975711/
>  
> 
> --Eric
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> www.campyonly.com
> www.wheelsnorth.org
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[RBW] Re: 'Round the Mountain Ride 12-12-10 - a set on Flickr

[Jim Cloud]

Eric,
Those are some very moody photos, well taken.  We don't get much fog
here in Tucson (!), but I well remember the fog when I was stationed
at Fort Ord near Monterey when I was in Basic Training in the Army.

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Dec 12, 2:17 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Today's wool/leather/lugged steel ride led us to the Napa County backcountry:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157625459118305/with...
>
> --Eric
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[cyclotourist]

Bay _Cities_ Deli  :-)

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:42 PM, rperks  wrote:

> Ride report done:
> http://wp.me/p19mfs-8s
> or
> http://oceanaircycles.com/2010/12/12/socal-rivendel…nica-dirt-ride/
>
> What an incredible day, and yes a grany gear would have been nice on
> this ride.
>
> On Dec 12, 10:08 am, rperks  wrote:
> > Photos up and sorted,
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/sets/72157625583483616/
> > Sore last night, better today after breakfast out, full ride reprt
> > later tonight
> >
> > Thanks to all that helped make the day.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Rob Perkshttp://oceanaircycles.com/
> >
> > On Dec 11, 11:55 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Totally picked you out.  Aaron in front, you about four cars back, then
> John
> > > a car behind you.  Pretty cool to see you flying down the hill!
> >
> > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Esteban  wrote:
> > > > Eric - ENJOY the Big Eye.  That's brewed about 300 ft. from where I
> > > > now sit. Its a nice treat.
> >
> > > > It was a very fun day.  Fantastic weather, and Aaron, James, and I
> > > > (who needed to get back from the mountains) really bombed down
> Topanga
> > > > Canyon.  I knew you guys could see us from the ridge!
> >
> > > > Photo documentation:
> > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/
> >
> > > > Esteban
> > > > San Diego, Calif.
> >
> > > > On Dec 11, 9:57 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > > > > Eric, I read your post while I was running out the door this
> morning.
> > > > Just a
> > > > > touch different over here, low 70's, breezy, sunny.  No IPA though.
> >
> > > > > For the record, we started off with 10 riders in Santa Monica.
>  Lost one
> > > > > going up Westridge.  Damn that's a climb and a half!  Pretty close
> to
> > > > losing
> > > > > another due to leg cramps.  A flat tire expertly repaired.  One
> wipe out
> > > > on
> > > > > a downhill sweeper.  Three folks had to leave early and took
> Topanga Cyn.
> > > > > down the hill (we could see you from the ridge!)  Hopefully good
> times
> > > > had
> > > > > by all.  Especially as we had a few folks from San Diego in the
> south,
> > > > > Ventura in the north, and Redlands out to the east.  As always,
> real good
> > > > > people that made the day really enjoyable.  And yes, we had the
> requisite
> > > > > bearded guy on an Atlantis, even though Doug couldn't make it!
> >
> > > > > My legs were particularly dead and I struggled a bit.  Will
> probably have
> > > > > sore forearms and maybe neck tomorrow, maybe ITB as well.
> >
> > > > > And yes, dinner at Bay Cities, although my ride and I had to split
> a bit
> > > > > early.
> >
> > > > > And as always, the proof is in the pictures:
> > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157625454132801/
> >
> > > > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:57 AM, EricP  wrote:
> > > > > > Okay, am now officially jealous.
> >
> > > > > > Thursday - 20 hour power outage.  Bikes locked in garage.  Today
> > > > > > (Saturday) about 4 or 5 inches of snow with a lot more coming.
>  Mebbe
> > > > > > a foot or more.  And windy.
> >
> > > > > > If I'm foolhardy, will try to ride one mile to a store and back.
>  Just
> > > > > > to get out.  Otherwise it's the Hillborne on the trainer (gack!)
> >
> > > > > > At least will get some guitar practice in and hopefully catch up
> on
> > > > > > reading.  Plus, my order of Ballast Point Big Eye IPA showed up.
>  So
> > > > > > am prepared and willing to weather out any storm.
> >
> > > > > > Eric Platt
> > > > > > St. Paul, MN
> >
> > > > > > On Dec 10, 9:40 pm, james black  wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:16, cyclotour...@gmail.com
> >
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > Looking for a last minute stocking stuffer idea:  Hop on your
> bike
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > go for a ride with us Saturday morning!  Best mixed terrain
> ride in
> > > > > > > > SoCal!
> > > > > > > > Meeting in Santa Monica @ Peets on Montana & 14th.  Ride is
> planned
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > be underway @ 10:00, so get their early enough to hang out
> and
> > > > prepare
> > > > > > > > yourself for the ride by (ogle bike & drink espresso!).
> >
> > > >http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_apprec
> .
> > > > > > ..
> >
> > > > > > > Good Evening RBWers and iBOBers,
> >
> > > > > > > I am planning to join tomorrow's Santa Monica Mountains ride.
> I'm
> > > > > > > hoping for good weather. There were some unwholesome, warm
> gusty
> > > > winds
> > > > > > > while I was coming home from work, but tomorrow's forecast
> sounds
> > > > > > > pretty good - highs in the mid-70s with north winds at 1 mph.
> I'll be
> > > > > > > taking the white Nishiki with the 37mm Paselas.
> >
> > > > > > > James Black
> > > > > > > Los Angeles, CA
> >
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[RBW] Winter Ride to Rivendell.

[manueljohnacosta]

Riding to the Rivendell HQ only gets better when the leafs are falling
and the my lady friend is leading the way. Riding for some early
holiday gifts for myself. Not much pictures of the shop because I got
caught up talking to Grant about Pranayamas, yoga breathing exercises.
You'll be surprised on how much just breathing can help increased just
daily exercises. After doing some earthquake dips, we were on the
road. Another great time at the shop. Happy Holidays to great folks at
Rivendell. Happy rides to everyone on the forum, spend time with your
family whenever possible.

Pictures proved that it happen:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157625587293814/

-Manny " The leafs are falling!" Acosta

PS: One of my "tricky" picture of Mark after the Rivendell-garage sale
ended up on the Rivendell Website.

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Re: [BOB] [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[cyclotourist]

Hey John, it's good that you came as it introduced you to some FANTASTIC
trails, but also got you thinking about using your bike differently.   These
rides are mostly social, but for myself, I HUGELY like seeing different
places in SoCal that I've never been.  And yeah, part of it is an advocacy
issue:  I LOVE having seeing people get out on their bikes and using them in
places they never thought they could take "that" bike.  Pretty cool!

Now the trick is to find out what went wrong with those legs!  You said you
felt plenty strong and aerobic, but cramps.  So figure that out and you'll
be good.  Then have fun on the downhills!!!

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:22 PM, John Vu  wrote:

> Great ride, and that's coming from The Cramper himself! This was my
> first off-road ride that was longer than a mile and I learned a lot!
> Thanks to everyone for being nice and incredibly patient. It was all
> worth it for the great company and the crisp, clear vistas and the
> nice paved descents down the bailout point at Entrada and Topanga
> Canyon.
>
> I was most afraid of crashing on descents and for some kind of bike
> failure, but I evaded those. The trail was in great shape and I've
> gotten a bit more confident descending. But the extended periods of
> spinning did me in. I just don't ride that like ever, having a fairly
> flat commute with good bus lines that I've been taking perhaps too
> often.
>
> Maybe I need a triple after all. I also think I need a second water
> bottle, I went dry right after the bailout point and was happy to see
> the general store on Topanga. And you can bet that I'll be riding the
> bike more and taking the bus less. There will be some more spinning,
> for sure.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:57 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
> > Eric, I read your post while I was running out the door this morning.
> Just a
> > touch different over here, low 70's, breezy, sunny.  No IPA though.
> >
> > For the record, we started off with 10 riders in Santa Monica.  Lost one
> > going up Westridge.  Damn that's a climb and a half!  Pretty close to
> losing
> > another due to leg cramps.  A flat tire expertly repaired.  One wipe out
> on
> > a downhill sweeper.  Three folks had to leave early and took Topanga Cyn.
> > down the hill (we could see you from the ridge!)  Hopefully good times
> had
> > by all.  Especially as we had a few folks from San Diego in the south,
> > Ventura in the north, and Redlands out to the east.  As always, real good
> > people that made the day really enjoyable.  And yes, we had the requisite
> > bearded guy on an Atlantis, even though Doug couldn't make it!
> >
> > My legs were particularly dead and I struggled a bit.  Will probably have
> > sore forearms and maybe neck tomorrow, maybe ITB as well.
> >
> > And yes, dinner at Bay Cities, although my ride and I had to split a bit
> > early.
> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[cyclotourist]

Thanks for the link, but they're definitely 56BCD-ers.  Looks like PJW has
'em there.

Thanks!


On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:16 PM, rperks  wrote:

> Ok I am going to give away one of my sources for 94/58 rings in hope
> that if people buy these that TA will not quit making them
>
>
> http://www.starbike.com/php/product_list.php?prodcatid=7&lang=en&Hersteller=&Kategorie=58%2F94&filter_submit=GO
>
> if the link fails, try
> http://www.starbike.com
> then components -> drivetrain -> chains/chainrings -> and then filter
> by 94/58
>
> I would be shocked if it was a 56 not a 58 since it is A selling the
> rings, but you never know unless you measure.  One of the nice things
> about ring packaging is the measuring templates they include.
>
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>
>
> On Dec 12, 7:57 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > I was wondering why you didn't show up!
> >
> > A 20T might be just the ticket.  Are there any downsides to running a
> > chainring so small (chaindrop or something)?  I just checked, and it's a
> > 56BCD, not 58... Actiontec doesn't have those, although they also have SS
> > rings for very reasonable.
> >
> > Anyone out there know where to source a 20T 56BCD chainring?
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Michael_S  >wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > David, with that 58BCD crank you can run a 20T granny. That will give
> > > you a similar gear to the 22-36 with your 34.
> >
> > > The 20T's are hard to find but ActionTec makes one in Ti!
> >
> > > I have an old S-works crank that will run that combo and so will some
> > > of the Ritcheys.
> >
> > > The ride looked like a lot of fun. I'm sorry I missed it. I've been
> > > nursing a sore hip and sticking to flat rides for the moment.
> >
> > > ~Mike~
> >
> > > On Dec 12, 6:59 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 18:44 -0800, Philip Williamson wrote:
> > > > > Steve wrote:
> > > > > > That can be as easy as changing the cassette, the chain and one
> > > shifter.
> >
> > > > > I think they call that "the drivetrain."
> >
> > > > No, that's about half the drive train.  Front derailleur, front
> shifter
> > > > and crank set do not have to be changed.  Nor does the freehub.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[cyclotourist]

Ah-ha.  And I really need a new middle ring as well.  Might be just the
Boxing Day present to myself!

Thanks!

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Brian Hanson  wrote:

> http://peterwhitecycles.com/chainrings.asp
>
> He has some 56BCD chainrings.  I have an older Suntour XC Pro crank that I
> need to order up a 56 for, as well...
>
> Brian
> Seattle
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:57 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>> I was wondering why you didn't show up!
>>
>> A 20T might be just the ticket.  Are there any downsides to running a
>> chainring so small (chaindrop or something)?  I just checked, and it's a
>> 56BCD, not 58... Actiontec doesn't have those, although they also have SS
>> rings for very reasonable.
>>
>>
>> Anyone out there know where to source a 20T 56BCD chainring?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Michael_S wrote:
>>
>>> David, with that 58BCD crank you can run a 20T granny. That will give
>>> you a similar gear to the 22-36 with your 34.
>>>
>>> The 20T's are hard to find but ActionTec makes one in Ti!
>>>
>>> I have an old S-works crank that will run that combo and so will some
>>> of the Ritcheys.
>>>
>>> The ride looked like a lot of fun. I'm sorry I missed it. I've been
>>> nursing a sore hip and sticking to flat rides for the moment.
>>>
>>> ~Mike~
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 6:59 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>>> > On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 18:44 -0800, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>> > > Steve wrote:
>>> > > > That can be as easy as changing the cassette, the chain and one
>>> shifter.
>>> >
>>> > > I think they call that "the drivetrain."
>>> >
>>> > No, that's about half the drive train.  Front derailleur, front shifter
>>> > and crank set do not have to be changed.  Nor does the freehub.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[Brian Hanson]

http://peterwhitecycles.com/chainrings.asp

He has some 56BCD chainrings.  I have an older Suntour XC Pro crank that I
need to order up a 56 for, as well...

Brian
Seattle

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:57 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> I was wondering why you didn't show up!
>
> A 20T might be just the ticket.  Are there any downsides to running a
> chainring so small (chaindrop or something)?  I just checked, and it's a
> 56BCD, not 58... Actiontec doesn't have those, although they also have SS
> rings for very reasonable.
>
>
> Anyone out there know where to source a 20T 56BCD chainring?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Michael_S wrote:
>
>> David, with that 58BCD crank you can run a 20T granny. That will give
>> you a similar gear to the 22-36 with your 34.
>>
>> The 20T's are hard to find but ActionTec makes one in Ti!
>>
>> I have an old S-works crank that will run that combo and so will some
>> of the Ritcheys.
>>
>> The ride looked like a lot of fun. I'm sorry I missed it. I've been
>> nursing a sore hip and sticking to flat rides for the moment.
>>
>> ~Mike~
>>
>> On Dec 12, 6:59 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>> > On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 18:44 -0800, Philip Williamson wrote:
>> > > Steve wrote:
>> > > > That can be as easy as changing the cassette, the chain and one
>> shifter.
>> >
>> > > I think they call that "the drivetrain."
>> >
>> > No, that's about half the drive train.  Front derailleur, front shifter
>> > and crank set do not have to be changed.  Nor does the freehub.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[rperks]

Ok I am going to give away one of my sources for 94/58 rings in hope
that if people buy these that TA will not quit making them

http://www.starbike.com/php/product_list.php?prodcatid=7&lang=en&Hersteller=&Kategorie=58%2F94&filter_submit=GO

if the link fails, try
http://www.starbike.com
then components -> drivetrain -> chains/chainrings -> and then filter
by 94/58

I would be shocked if it was a 56 not a 58 since it is A selling the
rings, but you never know unless you measure.  One of the nice things
about ring packaging is the measuring templates they include.

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On Dec 12, 7:57 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> I was wondering why you didn't show up!
>
> A 20T might be just the ticket.  Are there any downsides to running a
> chainring so small (chaindrop or something)?  I just checked, and it's a
> 56BCD, not 58... Actiontec doesn't have those, although they also have SS
> rings for very reasonable.
>
> Anyone out there know where to source a 20T 56BCD chainring?
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Michael_S wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > David, with that 58BCD crank you can run a 20T granny. That will give
> > you a similar gear to the 22-36 with your 34.
>
> > The 20T's are hard to find but ActionTec makes one in Ti!
>
> > I have an old S-works crank that will run that combo and so will some
> > of the Ritcheys.
>
> > The ride looked like a lot of fun. I'm sorry I missed it. I've been
> > nursing a sore hip and sticking to flat rides for the moment.
>
> > ~Mike~
>
> > On Dec 12, 6:59 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 18:44 -0800, Philip Williamson wrote:
> > > > Steve wrote:
> > > > > That can be as easy as changing the cassette, the chain and one
> > shifter.
>
> > > > I think they call that "the drivetrain."
>
> > > No, that's about half the drive train.  Front derailleur, front shifter
> > > and crank set do not have to be changed.  Nor does the freehub.
>
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[RBW] Re: 'Round the Mountain Ride 12-12-10 - a set on Flickr

[RoadieRyan]

eerie but cool, glad someone was riding today, I was shop vacing water
out of the basement- damn you winter rains!

Ryan
Seattle

On Dec 12, 1:17 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Today's wool/leather/lugged steel ride led us to the Napa County backcountry:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157625459118305/with...
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[RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ

[Kelly]

Well being 220 lbs means gravity is my friend on the downhill.  That
57 was scary with the wobble but have hit 65 mph on long straight shot
that was solid smooth and not scary at all.  The desire to go that
fast has finally faded.  I guess the adrenalin junky in me has settled
down.. another good reason to sell the race bike and get the ahh.. :)

But then the ride to starbucks and walgreens today was just as scary
as that speed  :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157625582548862/

Kelly

On Dec 12, 7:27 pm, EricP  wrote:
> As long as they don't have harps, you're safe.  (Bad joke, totally
> admit it.)
>
> Good for you for getting the bike up to 57.  Have been up to 40 on the
> Sam Hillborne.  Fast enough for me.
>
> No shimmy on that descent.  Unless my knocking knees caused something.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Dec 12, 1:07 pm, Ken Freeman  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Or those of the background singers?
>
> > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Kelly  wrote:
> > > So you're saying the harmonics of the guitar may stop the woble?  Good
> > > thought there. :)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[cyclotourist]

I was wondering why you didn't show up!

A 20T might be just the ticket.  Are there any downsides to running a
chainring so small (chaindrop or something)?  I just checked, and it's a
56BCD, not 58... Actiontec doesn't have those, although they also have SS
rings for very reasonable.


Anyone out there know where to source a 20T 56BCD chainring?



On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Michael_S wrote:

> David, with that 58BCD crank you can run a 20T granny. That will give
> you a similar gear to the 22-36 with your 34.
>
> The 20T's are hard to find but ActionTec makes one in Ti!
>
> I have an old S-works crank that will run that combo and so will some
> of the Ritcheys.
>
> The ride looked like a lot of fun. I'm sorry I missed it. I've been
> nursing a sore hip and sticking to flat rides for the moment.
>
> ~Mike~
>
> On Dec 12, 6:59 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 18:44 -0800, Philip Williamson wrote:
> > > Steve wrote:
> > > > That can be as easy as changing the cassette, the chain and one
> shifter.
> >
> > > I think they call that "the drivetrain."
> >
> > No, that's about half the drive train.  Front derailleur, front shifter
> > and crank set do not have to be changed.  Nor does the freehub.
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[RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[Michael_S]

David, with that 58BCD crank you can run a 20T granny. That will give
you a similar gear to the 22-36 with your 34.

The 20T's are hard to find but ActionTec makes one in Ti!

I have an old S-works crank that will run that combo and so will some
of the Ritcheys.

The ride looked like a lot of fun. I'm sorry I missed it. I've been
nursing a sore hip and sticking to flat rides for the moment.

~Mike~

On Dec 12, 6:59 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 18:44 -0800, Philip Williamson wrote:
> > Steve wrote:
> > > That can be as easy as changing the cassette, the chain and one shifter.
>
> > I think they call that "the drivetrain."
>
> No, that's about half the drive train.  Front derailleur, front shifter
> and crank set do not have to be changed.  Nor does the freehub.

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos today at Riv HQ

[William]

Answered my own question: 130mm is the plan.

On Dec 12, 11:01 am, William  wrote:
> I don't recall, is the San Marcos going to have a 130mm, 132.5mm or
> 135mm back end spacing?
>
> On Dec 12, 9:30 am, eflayer  wrote:
>
> > yes, both of the protos i rode had one inch threaded forks with nitto
> > quills.
>
> > On Dec 12, 8:39 am, RoadieRyan  wrote:
>
> > > Very Cool I have been hoping for an update for months -thanks for the
> > > post.  It appears to have a 1 inch head tube with quill stem is that
> > > the case...?
>
> > > On Dec 11, 4:04 pm, eflayer  wrote:
>
> > > > pretty sure i rode this one first today:
>
> > > >https://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/364/original_oct1visus.pdf
>
> > > > On Dec 11, 3:58 pm, eflayer  wrote:
>
> > > > > did not have camera as i had no idea there would be anything to shoot.
> > > > > if you are half way interested now, i believe you will be in with two
> > > > > feet when they arrive. let me say again, it really does fit my riding
> > > > > style, i am intrigued by good looking sloping framesets, especially
> > > > > lugged ones; which are few and far between. and my socks nearly flew
> > > > > off at first sight of san. not trying to hype it, i swear. just my
> > > > > random reactions.
>
> > > > > looks like larger sizes may have double top tubes and THOSE ARE NOT MY
> > > > > STYLE...YET. the extra weight,the look, and the no good reason all
> > > > > have me do the negative on 2 tops.
>
> > > > > On Dec 11, 3:50 pm, Rob Harrison  wrote:
>
> > > > > > I am also intrigued by this bike. Did ya take any pictures?
>
> > > > > > Rob in Seattle
>
> > > > > > On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:40 PM, eflayer wrote:
>
> > > > > > > i was there to buy a couple of things. got to see and ride two
> > > > > > > prototypes. i thought they were both aesthetically gorgeous. i am
> > > > > > > sucker for many of grant's color choices; the oranges, the 
> > > > > > > hillborne
> > > > > > > green, and wonder if the production sans will end up in the blue 
> > > > > > > i saw
> > > > > > > today. i am a rider who appreciates bikes built mostly for paved
> > > > > > > smoothish roads.  so the shorter wheelbase of the san wouuld be a
> > > > > > > choice for me. both protos had pretty fat tires and my around the
> > > > > > > block ride was tantalizing. i'd love to try one shod with pro race
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[RBW] Re: Larkspur Tunnel Open

[Philip Williamson]

There's an Bogart-Bacall movie called Dark Passage where she picks him
up escaping from San Quentin. The scene is shot on the road you
bypass.

 Philip

On Dec 12, 1:04 pm, Phil Brown  wrote:
> On Dec 12, 7:10 am, Ray Shine  wrote:
>
> > Eric -- Yep, that was a section of the old NWP.  I, too, am a railroad 
> > buff.  I
> > particularly like old streetcars.  I work for the SFMTA, which used to be 
> > called
> > the San Francisco Municipal Railway.
>
> Yup. Northwestern Pacific. My family was from Marin County and I
> remember when trains ran through the tunnel to serve the Tiburon car
> ferry and yard and the quarry on the south side, now a shopping
> center. If you're interested in what it looked like in the old days
> see Dirty Harry where part of the chase takes place on this piece of
> road and in the quarry.
> Phil Brown

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 18:44 -0800, Philip Williamson wrote:
> Steve wrote:
> > That can be as easy as changing the cassette, the chain and one shifter.
> 
> I think they call that "the drivetrain."

No, that's about half the drive train.  Front derailleur, front shifter
and crank set do not have to be changed.  Nor does the freehub.



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[RBW] Re: Wheel Lights Pondering

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

My biggest problem with any rear light has always been remembering to
turn it on. So for basic visibility I have reelights, a fender-mounted
spanninga and a rack mounted spanninga (both with "senso" or whatever
they call auto on/off). RBW spoke reflectors in the wheels. Reflective
tape on fender. Reflective tape on MUSA pants/knickers (and Splats if
it's raining).

When I do remember to turn anything on it's a Superflash on my
SaddleSack, which it seems is no longer the brightest in the price
range. And it's no DiNotte, of course. But it is bright. And its
battery life helps mitigate my second biggest problem with rear
lights: remembering to turn them off.

Ixon IQ up front. Again, probably not the absolute brightest. But
bright.

I really should get a hub dynamo.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Dec 12, 7:49 pm, EricP  wrote:
> Agree with Justin, the PDW is brighter than the Suerflash.  But the
> batteries last a shorter period of time.
>
> Have used the Rivendell spoke reflectors in the past.  Only one on the
> winter commuter right now.  The front was rubbing against the brake
> pads.  Have to find a better method.
>
> Ankle reflectors may work, but whenever I use them they seem to slip
> around too much.  But should start using one again.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Dec 12, 7:07 pm, Justin August  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have both in front of me and the Radbot beats the pants off the
> > Blinky, I think. The activation switch is easier to use, it has a nice
> > huge built-in reflector and it has a nice solid feel to it. Plus it's
> > brighter. Like, a lot brighter. At least to my (poor, burnt) eyes.
>
> > On Dec 12, 3:46 pm, JimD  wrote:
>
> > > When my Planet Bike blinkys give their last wink I'm thinking a Radbot  
> > > would be good.
>
> > > Kent Peterson has a review of the Radbot on his blog:
>
> > >http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2010/05/portland-design-works-radbot-10...
>
> > > -JimD
>
> > > On Dec 12, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Justin August wrote:
>
> > > > My PDW Radbot gets the most comments for me.
>
> > > > On Dec 12, 2:55 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > > >> On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 11:53 -0800, JimD wrote:
>
> > > >>> Even with two Riv ankle straps it's the Dinotte tail light that gets
> > > >>> the most comments for moi.
>
> > > >> I imagine some of those comments are along the lines of "Turn those  
> > > >> #...@$@
> > > >> %^ things off!!!"...
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[RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[Philip Williamson]

Steve wrote:
> That can be as easy as changing the cassette, the chain and one shifter.

I think they call that "the drivetrain."

 Philip

On Dec 12, 2:03 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 13:48 -0800, cyclotourist wrote:
> > I have the fabled TA Zephyr, which has both a 74 and 58 (maybe 56mm)
> > bolt pattern on it.  Pretty snazzy!
>
> > The chainring is made by Salsa:
> >http://www..flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5034952057/
>
> > Next up:  one of those 36T cassettes!  But I would have to go to
> > 9speed... :(
>
> That can be as easy as changing the cassette, the chain and one shifter.

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Lights Pondering

[EricP]

Agree with Justin, the PDW is brighter than the Suerflash.  But the
batteries last a shorter period of time.

Have used the Rivendell spoke reflectors in the past.  Only one on the
winter commuter right now.  The front was rubbing against the brake
pads.  Have to find a better method.

Ankle reflectors may work, but whenever I use them they seem to slip
around too much.  But should start using one again.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Dec 12, 7:07 pm, Justin August  wrote:
> I have both in front of me and the Radbot beats the pants off the
> Blinky, I think. The activation switch is easier to use, it has a nice
> huge built-in reflector and it has a nice solid feel to it. Plus it's
> brighter. Like, a lot brighter. At least to my (poor, burnt) eyes.
>
> On Dec 12, 3:46 pm, JimD  wrote:
>
>
>
> > When my Planet Bike blinkys give their last wink I'm thinking a Radbot  
> > would be good.
>
> > Kent Peterson has a review of the Radbot on his blog:
>
> >http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2010/05/portland-design-works-radbot-10...
>
> > -JimD
>
> > On Dec 12, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Justin August wrote:
>
> > > My PDW Radbot gets the most comments for me.
>
> > > On Dec 12, 2:55 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 11:53 -0800, JimD wrote:
>
> > >>> Even with two Riv ankle straps it's the Dinotte tail light that gets
> > >>> the most comments for moi.
>
> > >> I imagine some of those comments are along the lines of "Turn those  
> > >> #...@$@
> > >> %^ things off!!!"...
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[RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[rperks]

Ride report done:
http://wp.me/p19mfs-8s
or
http://oceanaircycles.com/2010/12/12/socal-rivendel…nica-dirt-ride/

What an incredible day, and yes a grany gear would have been nice on
this ride.

On Dec 12, 10:08 am, rperks  wrote:
> Photos up and 
> sorted,http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/sets/72157625583483616/
> Sore last night, better today after breakfast out, full ride reprt
> later tonight
>
> Thanks to all that helped make the day.
>
> --
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>
> On Dec 11, 11:55 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Totally picked you out.  Aaron in front, you about four cars back, then John
> > a car behind you.  Pretty cool to see you flying down the hill!
>
> > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Esteban  wrote:
> > > Eric - ENJOY the Big Eye.  That's brewed about 300 ft. from where I
> > > now sit. Its a nice treat.
>
> > > It was a very fun day.  Fantastic weather, and Aaron, James, and I
> > > (who needed to get back from the mountains) really bombed down Topanga
> > > Canyon.  I knew you guys could see us from the ridge!
>
> > > Photo documentation:
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/
>
> > > Esteban
> > > San Diego, Calif.
>
> > > On Dec 11, 9:57 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > > > Eric, I read your post while I was running out the door this morning.
> > > Just a
> > > > touch different over here, low 70's, breezy, sunny.  No IPA though.
>
> > > > For the record, we started off with 10 riders in Santa Monica.  Lost one
> > > > going up Westridge.  Damn that's a climb and a half!  Pretty close to
> > > losing
> > > > another due to leg cramps.  A flat tire expertly repaired.  One wipe out
> > > on
> > > > a downhill sweeper.  Three folks had to leave early and took Topanga 
> > > > Cyn.
> > > > down the hill (we could see you from the ridge!)  Hopefully good times
> > > had
> > > > by all.  Especially as we had a few folks from San Diego in the south,
> > > > Ventura in the north, and Redlands out to the east.  As always, real 
> > > > good
> > > > people that made the day really enjoyable.  And yes, we had the 
> > > > requisite
> > > > bearded guy on an Atlantis, even though Doug couldn't make it!
>
> > > > My legs were particularly dead and I struggled a bit.  Will probably 
> > > > have
> > > > sore forearms and maybe neck tomorrow, maybe ITB as well.
>
> > > > And yes, dinner at Bay Cities, although my ride and I had to split a bit
> > > > early.
>
> > > > And as always, the proof is in the pictures:
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157625454132801/
>
> > > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:57 AM, EricP  wrote:
> > > > > Okay, am now officially jealous.
>
> > > > > Thursday - 20 hour power outage.  Bikes locked in garage.  Today
> > > > > (Saturday) about 4 or 5 inches of snow with a lot more coming.  Mebbe
> > > > > a foot or more.  And windy.
>
> > > > > If I'm foolhardy, will try to ride one mile to a store and back.  Just
> > > > > to get out.  Otherwise it's the Hillborne on the trainer (gack!)
>
> > > > > At least will get some guitar practice in and hopefully catch up on
> > > > > reading.  Plus, my order of Ballast Point Big Eye IPA showed up.  So
> > > > > am prepared and willing to weather out any storm.
>
> > > > > Eric Platt
> > > > > St. Paul, MN
>
> > > > > On Dec 10, 9:40 pm, james black  wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:16, cyclotour...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > Looking for a last minute stocking stuffer idea:  Hop on your bike
> > > and
> > > > > > > go for a ride with us Saturday morning!  Best mixed terrain ride 
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > SoCal!
> > > > > > > Meeting in Santa Monica @ Peets on Montana & 14th.  Ride is 
> > > > > > > planned
> > > to
> > > > > > > be underway @ 10:00, so get their early enough to hang out and
> > > prepare
> > > > > > > yourself for the ride by (ogle bike & drink espresso!).
>
> > >http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_apprec.
> > > > > ..
>
> > > > > > Good Evening RBWers and iBOBers,
>
> > > > > > I am planning to join tomorrow's Santa Monica Mountains ride. I'm
> > > > > > hoping for good weather. There were some unwholesome, warm gusty
> > > winds
> > > > > > while I was coming home from work, but tomorrow's forecast sounds
> > > > > > pretty good - highs in the mid-70s with north winds at 1 mph. I'll 
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > taking the white Nishiki with the 37mm Paselas.
>
> > > > > > James Black
> > > > > > Los Angeles, CA
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[RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ

[EricP]

As long as they don't have harps, you're safe.  (Bad joke, totally
admit it.)

Good for you for getting the bike up to 57.  Have been up to 40 on the
Sam Hillborne.  Fast enough for me.

No shimmy on that descent.  Unless my knocking knees caused something.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Dec 12, 1:07 pm, Ken Freeman  wrote:
> Or those of the background singers?
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Kelly  wrote:
> > So you're saying the harmonics of the guitar may stop the woble?  Good
> > thought there. :)
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[RBW] Re: Wheel Lights Pondering

[Justin August]

I have both in front of me and the Radbot beats the pants off the
Blinky, I think. The activation switch is easier to use, it has a nice
huge built-in reflector and it has a nice solid feel to it. Plus it's
brighter. Like, a lot brighter. At least to my (poor, burnt) eyes.

On Dec 12, 3:46 pm, JimD  wrote:
> When my Planet Bike blinkys give their last wink I'm thinking a Radbot  
> would be good.
>
> Kent Peterson has a review of the Radbot on his blog:
>
> http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2010/05/portland-design-works-radbot-10...
>
> -JimD
>
> On Dec 12, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Justin August wrote:
>
>
>
> > My PDW Radbot gets the most comments for me.
>
> > On Dec 12, 2:55 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> >> On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 11:53 -0800, JimD wrote:
>
> >>> Even with two Riv ankle straps it's the Dinotte tail light that gets
> >>> the most comments for moi.
>
> >> I imagine some of those comments are along the lines of "Turn those  
> >> #...@$@
> >> %^ things off!!!"...
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[RBW] Re: Spikes

[newenglandbike]

I was just in the garage today, putting studded tires on and noticed a
2" crack in my rear rim, along the braking surface.DOH!

Nice bike David, it looks comfortable with those bars.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[cyclotourist]

Yeah, all things I don't want to have to buy/change.

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 13:48 -0800, cyclotourist wrote:
> > I have the fabled TA Zephyr, which has both a 74 and 58 (maybe 56mm)
> > bolt pattern on it.  Pretty snazzy!
> >
> > The chainring is made by Salsa:
> > http://www..flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5034952057/
> >
> > Next up:  one of those 36T cassettes!  But I would have to go to
> > 9speed... :(
>
> That can be as easy as changing the cassette, the chain and one shifter.
>
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[RBW] Re: Spikes

[Angus]

Speaking of cold and flats:

I was riding the All-Rounder to work earlier this year, temperature in
the mid-20s (cold for Texas), dark.  I have not yet discovered the
Rivendell wind proof gloves and my fingers had gone completely
numb...then I noticed the rear end of the bike felt a bit "loose and
squirmy"...DOH!   I have about 1 mile to go on an 8 mile commute; I
leaned the bike against a chain-link fence and concluded that this was
a slow leak...time to do a "pump and pedal!"  I took off my gloves,
found the mini-pump (I don't use these anymore) and started pumping
like a mad man...the tire inflated at about the same rate as my hands
warmed up :-).  Turns out the tire would deflate at about the same
rate than my fingers would loose feeling...one more pump up session
and I was at work.

Worked out just fine in the end.

Angus

On Dec 12, 4:14 pm, "David T."  wrote:
> Hey Joel, the winters are pretty mild where I live in Southwestern
> Ontario. But we had a blizzard earlier this week, everything shut
> down, the schools were closed for three days. I did not ride my bike
> during that time.
>
> There are a lot of places in the States that have more severe winters
> than where I am. A lot of times during the winter here, the roads are
> fairly clear. Other times there is snow on them. I have a couple of
> short sections on my commute where I need to ride on trails, those are
> the tough places. One good thing about riding on snow is that it
> really builds up your leg strength.
>
> On the subject of flats: I never get them. In fact I am not sure if I
> have ever had a flat. I remember repairing a tube once when I was a
> lot younger, but I don’t think it went flat while I was riding. Now I
> use really good tires, but even when I didn’t, I never had a problem.
> I even toured on my bicycle at one time, using only the cheapest tires
> available, and had no flats. At the time I didn’t know that tires were
> supposed to go flat.
>
> Although I did have a number of flat tires on a Lada in Jamaica once.
> That was inconvenient.

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[RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ NRC

[Jim Cloud]

I'm in agreement with you concerning wheel sizes of the 1970's
(Chicago era) Paramounts.  The touring models (P10-9, P15-9, and the
P60, P65 Ladies' models) were factory standard equipped with a 27"
wheel size (either the 27" x 1 1/4" Schwinn Le Tour tire or later the
27" x 1 1/8" Schwinn Super Record tire, both tires made by the
National Tire Company in Japan).  Optional, at extra cost (including
frame mods), was the 700c tubular equipped bike (with either factory
supplied Clement "50" cotton tubulars or for extra cost the Clement
"Campionato del Mondo" silk tubulars).  The racing models (P13-9
"professional road racer" and P-14-0 Track bike) were equipped with a
700c size tubular tire wheel, until a 700c clincher tire became
optionally available in 1978 for the road racer (the Schwinn "Super
700c" tire).
.

If there was a 26" wheel size model of the Paramount, during this
period, I've never heard of it (there certainly isn't anything shown
in the Schwinn product literature of the period that indicates that a
26" wheel size was available).

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Dec 12, 12:42 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 14:40 -0500, Robert Zeidler wrote:
> > I concur with your opinion on the Paramount.  I, too, have a few of the 26" 
> > bikes, all 531 , and find they are rock steady.  Is this a 27" wheel thing 
> > maybe?
>
> I do not recall a 1972 Paramount coming with 26" wheels.  FWIW, mine had
> 27".  The other option was tubulars.

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[RBW] Re: Spikes

[SFF]

Never had a flat? Guiness book of World Records where are you man? My
last two were self inflected. While topping off, the bike shifted and
the top of the stem broke off. I put Marathon Supremes on the
Hillborne and have had no flats since but I've had my share and I hate
'em. Yes I do.

We might get a snow day or two down here, sometimes a little ice but
really not much Winter to speak of. But we have puking hot Summers and
I mean puking hot. Too hot to ride for more than an hour or so for
several months. I'll take that over snow every day of the week.
Anytime is gets below 50 I start getting nervous. I think those
California folks have it going on - nice riding weather most of the
year. Might join them out there soon, I hope!

Joel


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> David,
> You know you just jinxed yourself!
> Zman
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> Subject: [RBW] Re: Spikes
>
> Hey Joel, the winters are pretty mild where I live in Southwestern
> Ontario. But we had a blizzard earlier this week, everything shut
> down, the schools were closed for three days. I did not ride my bike
> during that time.
>
> There are a lot of places in the States that have more severe winters
> than where I am. A lot of times during the winter here, the roads are
> fairly clear. Other times there is snow on them. I have a couple of
> short sections on my commute where I need to ride on trails, those are
> the tough places. One good thing about riding on snow is that it
> really builds up your leg strength.
>
> On the subject of flats: I never get them. In fact I am not sure if I
> have ever had a flat. I remember repairing a tube once when I was a
> lot younger, but I don’t think it went flat while I was riding. Now I
> use really good tires, but even when I didn’t, I never had a problem.
> I even toured on my bicycle at one time, using only the cheapest tires
> available, and had no flats. At the time I didn’t know that tires were
> supposed to go flat.
>
> Although I did have a number of flat tires on a Lada in Jamaica once.
> That was inconvenient.
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Re: [RBW] New (to me) Quickbeam

[clyde canter]

I won't actually have it till next weekend, but I will do that first chance.

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Rob Riggins  wrote:

> I don't have a headbadge, but the custom paint sounds nice. Post a photo
> for us.
>
> Rob
> Minneapolis, MN
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:15 PM, ccanter  wrote:
>
>> I promised myself no more bikes.  In a moment of weakness this morning
>> I bought myself a saaaweeet Quickbeam with a gorgeous custom paint
>> job.  It's a steel blue/grey metallic with a light grey barber pole
>> stripe on the seat tube. Only thing is it has no head badge. Long
>> shot.. would any of you fine folk have an unneeded one and be
>> willing to sell it to a fellow RBW Owners bunch member???
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Clyde Canter
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any VO drop bar guinea pigs yet?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Yes, let me add my thin, wailing voice to the clamor: I am deeply
pondering substituting all the Nitto 185s on my road fleet with
Nitto/BQ Maes Parallel Professional Clones and have thought I'd
experiment on the relative cheap with the VO alternative for the
Motobecane. So yer thoughts and reactions and judgments will be
welcome.

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:17 AM, robert zeidler
 wrote:
> I haven't yet, but after reading your post, I took a closer look and really
> like the bend of a couple of them.  Flat top, and not to deep a drop.  The
> rhyming starts and I can't stop!  Uh, sorry.
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Travis 
> wrote:
>>
>> Nobody? Maybe I'll have to take the plunge myself.
>>
>> On Dec 10, 12:35 pm, Pete  wrote:
>> > Me too, a review would be fab!
>> >
>> > On 10 Dec, 18:18, Travis  wrote:
>> >
>> > > They look pretty interesting. The ramp seems to be completely level -
>> > > outdoing even the Noodle. The drops are also level, which I think will
>> > > look nicer but be slightly less comfortable than an angled drop.
>> >
>> >
>> > > >http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/grand-cr...
>> >
>> > > -Travis
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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes

[zeidler . robert]

David,
You know you just jinxed yourself!
Zman 
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Spikes

Hey Joel, the winters are pretty mild where I live in Southwestern
Ontario. But we had a blizzard earlier this week, everything shut
down, the schools were closed for three days. I did not ride my bike
during that time.

There are a lot of places in the States that have more severe winters
than where I am. A lot of times during the winter here, the roads are
fairly clear. Other times there is snow on them. I have a couple of
short sections on my commute where I need to ride on trails, those are
the tough places. One good thing about riding on snow is that it
really builds up your leg strength.

On the subject of flats: I never get them. In fact I am not sure if I
have ever had a flat. I remember repairing a tube once when I was a
lot younger, but I don’t think it went flat while I was riding. Now I
use really good tires, but even when I didn’t, I never had a problem.
I even toured on my bicycle at one time, using only the cheapest tires
available, and had no flats. At the time I didn’t know that tires were
supposed to go flat.

Although I did have a number of flat tires on a Lada in Jamaica once.
That was inconvenient.


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[RBW] Re: Spikes

[David T.]

Hey Joel, the winters are pretty mild where I live in Southwestern
Ontario. But we had a blizzard earlier this week, everything shut
down, the schools were closed for three days. I did not ride my bike
during that time.

There are a lot of places in the States that have more severe winters
than where I am. A lot of times during the winter here, the roads are
fairly clear. Other times there is snow on them. I have a couple of
short sections on my commute where I need to ride on trails, those are
the tough places. One good thing about riding on snow is that it
really builds up your leg strength.

On the subject of flats: I never get them. In fact I am not sure if I
have ever had a flat. I remember repairing a tube once when I was a
lot younger, but I don’t think it went flat while I was riding. Now I
use really good tires, but even when I didn’t, I never had a problem.
I even toured on my bicycle at one time, using only the cheapest tires
available, and had no flats. At the time I didn’t know that tires were
supposed to go flat.

Although I did have a number of flat tires on a Lada in Jamaica once.
That was inconvenient.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 13:48 -0800, cyclotourist wrote:
> I have the fabled TA Zephyr, which has both a 74 and 58 (maybe 56mm)
> bolt pattern on it.  Pretty snazzy!
> 
> The chainring is made by Salsa:
> http://www..flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5034952057/
> 
> Next up:  one of those 36T cassettes!  But I would have to go to
> 9speed... :(

That can be as easy as changing the cassette, the chain and one shifter.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes

[Robert Zeidler]

That's cold Joel ( no pun).

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 12, 2010, at 4:18 PM, SFF  wrote:

> Just got in from changing my first QB rear tire flat - man that was
> easy! I always hate changing rear flats on geared bikes. I don't have
> fenders and don't plan on putting them on - just to keep the tire
> changes as easy as possible.
> 
> I've only had the bike a month or so - riding freewheel, need to try
> fixed at some point, but not today. File under future plans.
> 
> Hey David, whats all that white stuff surrounding your bike? I feel
> for you guys up North right now. Seems to be a blizzard or something
> going on. (Todays ride report down here, super sunny and a coolish 60
> (sorry).
> 
> Joel
> 
> On Dec 12, 9:55 am, "David T."  wrote:
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[cyclotourist]

I have the fabled TA Zephyr, which has both a 74 and 58 (maybe 56mm) bolt
pattern on it.  Pretty snazzy!

The chainring is made by Salsa:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5034952057/

Next up:  one of those 36T cassettes!  But I would have to go to 9speed...
:(

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 1:03 PM, James Warren wrote:

>  I must ask. How do you have a 22 on the crank you have? I thought you had
> a 110/74 on your All-rounder.
>
>
>
> More important question: How can I get a 22?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cyclotourist
> Sent: Dec 12, 2010 12:53 PM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay
> Cities Deli
>
> I ran out of gears w/ a 22x34... but that's not unusual for me :-)
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Bruce  wrote:
>
>>  Very nice pictures. Looks like a good day for low gear ratios
>>
>>  --
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>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
>> *Sent:* Sun, December 12, 2010 12:08:23 PM
>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay
>> Cities Deli
>>
>> Photos up and sorted,
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/sets/72157625583483616/
>> Sore last night, better today after breakfast out, full ride reprt
>> later tonight
>>
>> Thanks to all that helped make the day.
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[RBW] Re: Spikes

[SFF]

Just got in from changing my first QB rear tire flat - man that was
easy! I always hate changing rear flats on geared bikes. I don't have
fenders and don't plan on putting them on - just to keep the tire
changes as easy as possible.

I've only had the bike a month or so - riding freewheel, need to try
fixed at some point, but not today. File under future plans.

Hey David, whats all that white stuff surrounding your bike? I feel
for you guys up North right now. Seems to be a blizzard or something
going on. (Todays ride report down here, super sunny and a coolish 60
(sorry).

Joel

On Dec 12, 9:55 am, "David T."  wrote:
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[RBW] 'Round the Mountain Ride 12-12-10 - a set on Flickr

[Eric Norris]

Today's wool/leather/lugged steel ride led us to the Napa County backcountry:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157625459118305/with/5254975711/
 

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[RBW] Re: Larkspur Tunnel Open

[Phil Brown]

On Dec 12, 7:10 am, Ray Shine  wrote:
> Eric -- Yep, that was a section of the old NWP.  I, too, am a railroad buff.  
> I
> particularly like old streetcars.  I work for the SFMTA, which used to be 
> called
> the San Francisco Municipal Railway.

Yup. Northwestern Pacific. My family was from Marin County and I
remember when trains ran through the tunnel to serve the Tiburon car
ferry and yard and the quarry on the south side, now a shopping
center. If you're interested in what it looked like in the old days
see Dirty Harry where part of the chase takes place on this piece of
road and in the quarry.
Phil Brown

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[James Warren]

I must ask. How do you have a 22 on the crank you have? I thought you had a 110/74 on your All-rounder.
 
More important question: How can I get a 22?
-Original Message- From: cyclotourist Sent: Dec 12, 2010 12:53 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli I ran out of gears w/ a 22x34... but that's not unusual for me :-)
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Bruce  wrote:



Very nice pictures. Looks like a good day for low gear ratios



From: rperks To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 12:08:23 PMSubject: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[cyclotourist]

I ran out of gears w/ a 22x34... but that's not unusual for me :-)

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Bruce  wrote:

> Very nice pictures. Looks like a good day for low gear ratios
>
> --
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> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Sent:* Sun, December 12, 2010 12:08:23 PM
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay
> Cities Deli
>
> Photos up and sorted,
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/sets/72157625583483616/
> Sore last night, better today after breakfast out, full ride reprt
> later tonight
>
> Thanks to all that helped make the day.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Lights Pondering

[JimD]

When my Planet Bike blinkys give their last wink I'm thinking a Radbot  
would be good.


Kent Peterson has a review of the Radbot on his blog:

http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2010/05/portland-design-works-radbot-1000.html

-JimD


On Dec 12, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Justin August wrote:


My PDW Radbot gets the most comments for me.

On Dec 12, 2:55 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 11:53 -0800, JimD wrote:


Even with two Riv ankle straps it's the Dinotte tail light that gets
the most comments for moi.


I imagine some of those comments are along the lines of "Turn those  
#...@$@

%^ things off!!!"...


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Re: [RBW] Wheel Lights Pondering

[JimD]

Well, not really, all I've received are plaudits and thanks for being  
visible.

-JimD


On Dec 12, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote:


On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 11:53 -0800, JimD wrote:



Even with two Riv ankle straps it's the Dinotte tail light that gets
the most comments for moi.


I imagine some of those comments are along the lines of "Turn those  
#...@$@

%^ things off!!!"...



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[RBW] Re: Wheel Lights Pondering

[Justin August]

My PDW Radbot gets the most comments for me.

On Dec 12, 2:55 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 11:53 -0800, JimD wrote:
>
> > Even with two Riv ankle straps it's the Dinotte tail light that gets
> > the most comments for moi.
>
> I imagine some of those comments are along the lines of "Turn those #...@$@
> %^ things off!!!"...

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Re: [RBW] New (to me) Quickbeam

[Rob Riggins]

I don't have a headbadge, but the custom paint sounds nice. Post a photo for
us.

Rob
Minneapolis, MN

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:15 PM, ccanter  wrote:

> I promised myself no more bikes.  In a moment of weakness this morning
> I bought myself a saaaweeet Quickbeam with a gorgeous custom paint
> job.  It's a steel blue/grey metallic with a light grey barber pole
> stripe on the seat tube. Only thing is it has no head badge. Long
> shot.. would any of you fine folk have an unneeded one and be
> willing to sell it to a fellow RBW Owners bunch member???
>
> Many thanks,
> Clyde Canter
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Re: [RBW] Wheel Lights Pondering

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 11:53 -0800, JimD wrote:
> 
> 
> Even with two Riv ankle straps it's the Dinotte tail light that gets
> the most comments for moi.

I imagine some of those comments are along the lines of "Turn those #...@$@
%^ things off!!!"...



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Re: [RBW] Wheel Lights Pondering

[JimD]

Even with two Riv ankle straps it's the Dinotte tail light that gets  
the most comments for moi.


My interest in some sort of wheel/spoke lights is to make the bike  
more visible at intersections.


-JimD

On Dec 12, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Jon Grant wrote:

+1 on the ankle strap. I used to wear a Rivendell one on my left  
ankle when commuting, its long tab sticking out further left. Many  
drivers complimented me on my very visible ankle strap, occasionally  
going so far as to ask where they could get one. I never got a  
comment on my tail lights, but that ankle strap got their attention.


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From: Eric Norris 
Reply-To: 
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:35:31 -0800
To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" >

Subject: Re: [RBW] Wheel Lights Pondering

Lee Mitchell, a legendary sag driver who has logged countless hours  
behind cyclists of all kinds during the day and night, consistently  
recommends reflective ankle bands as the single most effective means  
of being visible. I trust that advice and always use them (in  
combination with a very bright blinkie).


—Eric N

On Dec 12, 2010, at 7:55 AM, JimD  wrote:


On my commute for dark times of the year I want to be REAL visible.

My take is that making oneself visible among many car lights,  
various street lights, and

commercial signage, one's bike can't be over lit.

I have 2 bright front LED lights, a Dinotte rear light and  
accompany the Dinotte with two planet bike blinkys.
I'm using the Riv wheel reflectors, Riv ankle reflectors, and a  
reflective vest. I have an eos led on my helmet
(mainly for getting the attention of cars at intersections). I'm  
going for the 'It Came From OuterSpace' look

and it seems to work.

Riding home on Friday I met a bicycler with Niteiz Spokelits   on his front wheel.

When he was moving his bike  was quite visible from the side.
Looking on the Google I see that these use CR2016 batteries so that  
isn't such a good thing.

As lights go they aren't too dear ~ USD $ 8.

Anyone using Spokelits?

I'm also intrigued by Monkey Lights   but my lighting compulsion isn't so strong (yet) that I'm going to

spend ~ USD $ 60. They do look like fun but a bit of a kludge.

Light em up,
JimD
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[RBW] Re: Wheel Lights Pondering

[Peter Pesce]

I read a suggestion somewhere (Sheldon?  PJW?) to put reflective tape
strips on the INSIDE of the rim, facing the hub. Since this surface
faces alternately front and rear, and is in motion, it is supposedly
very effective.

Anybody doing this?

Pete
On Dec 12, 10:55 am, JimD  wrote:
> On my commute for dark times of the year I want to be REAL visible.
>
> My take is that making oneself visible among many car lights, various  
> street lights, and
> commercial signage, one's bike can't be over lit.
>
> I have 2 bright front LED lights, a Dinotte rear light and accompany  
> the Dinotte with two planet bike blinkys.
> I'm using the Riv wheel reflectors, Riv ankle reflectors, and a  
> reflective vest. I have an eos led on my helmet
> (mainly for getting the attention of cars at intersections). I'm going  
> for the 'It Came From OuterSpace' look
> and it seems to work.
>
> Riding home on Friday I met a bicycler with Niteiz Spokelits on his  
> front wheel.
> When he was moving his bike  was quite visible from the side.
> Looking on the Google I see that these use CR2016 batteries so that  
> isn't such a good thing.
> As lights go they aren't too dear ~ USD $ 8.
>
> Anyone using Spokelits?
>
> I'm also intrigued by Monkey Lights but my lighting compulsion isn't  
> so strong (yet) that I'm going to
> spend ~ USD $ 60. They do look like fun but a bit of a kludge.
>
> Light em up,
> JimD

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[RBW] fs: Swift Industries saddlebag

[Eric Wolforth]

For sale is my Swift Industries saddlebag. $75 shipped/PayPal'd from
Chicago, IL

Upgraded with "Waxwear Canvas". Barely used, "like new" condition.

The bag measures 14X8″ with a tapered side panel that measures 8″ at
the bottom and 6″ at the top, and external pockets.

More info can be found here:

http://swiftindustries.wordpress.co...le-touring-bag/

http://yfrog.com/eqsaddlebagj
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Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Eye Protection

[Michael DiBenedetto]

There are military-like goggles that are small and have replaceable lens (clear 
& dark). 
I'll look at mine tomorrow to get brand. 
They work wonders & don't fog. 
Also, there are similar goggles to those sold at motorcycle shops. Try a Harley 
store. 

Michael DiBenedetto
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Lafayette, CA. 94549
925-899-2785

On Dec 11, 2010, at 11:24 PM, John Blish  wrote:

> Hi Kelly,
> 
> There is no perfect solution here but the goggles are your best bet.  Not 
> sure where you live, but if you buy them at REI (including web store, 
> rei.com) you can always return them if they don't work to your satisfaction, 
> even after a good, lengthy test period.  It is hard to find snow goggles 
> without a tint.
> 
> Disclaimer:  I am former REI employee.
> 
> later
> 
> -jb  
> 
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Kelly  wrote:
> Feet - Check - Wood Socks.. Boots whatever for temp 
> Legs- Check - Wool underwear.. Musa - or jeans good to 25 degrees - Snow 
> pants over wool and musa - down to 8 degrees
> Body - Check - Any number of base layers, a shirt, sweater, many different 
> coats ../ turtle necks etc good to negative temps
> head- Check- Balaclava or two with beenie as needed .. can make my head sweat 
> down to very low temps.
> Eyes-- anything under 30 degrees I get headaches from the winds and my 
> glasses getting to cold for my nose... off is worse.
>  
> Anyway.. looking for snow skiing goggles with clear lens for night riding or 
> changable.. found several (no clear lenses yet) just haven't pulled the 
> trigger .. all under 50 bucks and look like they would make riding more fun.  
> No fogging up when I cover my nose with the balaclava - good vision (think 
> glasses will still be wearable inside them)  trying to think of what negative 
> I'm missing...
>  
> Could it really just be a good idea?
>  
> hmmm
>  
> off to the store tomorrow.
>  
> later
> Kelly
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[RBW] Re: Larkspur Tunnel Open

[Will]

That sounds so nice. Once upon a time I lived up near the top in Twin
Peaks, SF. And I had a job in Novato. Once or twice (if I was feeling
especially sadistic) a week I would bike the commute. In the morning I
would pick my way through the climb but at night on the way home I
didn't have it in me. I knew I still had to make the climb up to the
bridge and then up to my apartment in the city. So I would by-pass the
climb in favor of industialized San Raf and past San Quentin. Not too
pleasant in the dark. Good times in retrospect. If I had that tunnel
at my disposal perhaps I would commute three times a week. Thanks for
the update and the memories!

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Re: [RBW] Wheel Lights Pondering

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 10:35 -0800, Eric Norris wrote:
> Lee Mitchell, a legendary sag driver who has logged countless hours
> behind cyclists of all kinds during the day and night, consistently
> recommends reflective ankle bands as the single most effective means
> of being visible. I trust that advice and always use them (in
> combination with a very bright blinkie).


FWIW, Randonneurs USA Rules for Riders requires ankle bands for
nighttime riding.  



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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ NRC

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 14:40 -0500, Robert Zeidler wrote:
> I concur with your opinion on the Paramount.  I, too, have a few of the 26" 
> bikes, all 531 , and find they are rock steady.  Is this a 27" wheel thing 
> maybe?
> 

I do not recall a 1972 Paramount coming with 26" wheels.  FWIW, mine had
27".  The other option was tubulars.





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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ NRC

[Robert Zeidler]

I concur with your opinion on the Paramount.  I, too, have a few of the 26" 
bikes, all 531 , and find they are rock steady.  Is this a 27" wheel thing 
maybe?

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 12, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Jim Cloud  wrote:

> Your experience with a 1972 Paramount is interesting.  I have a 1977
> P-15 Paramount, that I'm still riding, and I've never experienced any
> problems with speed wobbles.  It's a 26" frame bike with a 110mm
> extension on the stem.  It's rock steady descending on steep roads
> with speeds attained of 45-55mph..
> 
> The only bike, that I've ridden, that exhibited a tendency toward
> speed wobbles was a 63 cm Pogliaghi Italcorse bike I purchased in
> 1974.  It would occasionally develop a speed wobble riding on a level
> road, that I could dampen fairly easily by pressing one knee against
> the top tube.  For some reason, it never developed a speed wobble
> while descending (and this was while I lived in Boulder, CO where
> there were many opportunities for fast descents!).
> 
> It would interesting to know what combination of factors are
> attributable to a bike having a tendency for speed wobbles.
> 
> Jim Cloud
> Tucson, AZ
> 
> On Dec 12, 10:08 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>> On Sat, 2010-12-11 at 20:18 -0800, james black wrote:
>>> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 04:59, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
 Knee to top tube is a highly effective and well known (in my experience)
 way to stop /speed wobble/ -- as distinguished from "shimmy".  And speed
 wobble happens with hands on the bars, in fact can be caused by those
 hands on the bar (death grip or shivering).
>> 
>>> In discussions about shimmy (of which there have been many over the
>>> years on this and other lists) I have often described a distinction
>>> between what I call "speed wobble" and what I call "shimmy". Knee to
>>> top tube is effective on "shimmy" (meaning the oscillation one
>>> encounters riding no hands at normal cruising speeds of 15-20 mph),
>>> but it's hard to put a knee to top tube while pedaling, so this is of
>>> limited application (especially on a fixed gear bike).
>> 
>> My 1972 P-15 Paramount had a terrifying speed wobble back when it was
>> new.  Clamping the top tube between my knees and trying my best to
>> squeeze the bejeezus out of the tube did in fact stop the shaking.  I
>> subsequently changed the stem length and the speed wobble permanently
>> stopped.  
>> 
>> The bike always felt marginally unstable on fast descents, though -- I
>> used to describe it as "holding my life in a little goldfish bowl by the
>> fingertips, arms outstretched".
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[Robert Zeidler]

Short sleeves and leaves on the trees. I'm jealous!

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 12, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Bruce  wrote:

> Very nice pictures. Looks like a good day for low gear ratios
> 
> From: rperks 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 12:08:23 PM
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli
> 
> Photos up and sorted,
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/sets/72157625583483616/
> Sore last night, better today after breakfast out, full ride reprt
> later tonight
> 
> Thanks to all that helped make the day.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[Bruce]

Very nice pictures. Looks like a good day for low gear ratios




From: rperks 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 12:08:23 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

Photos up and sorted,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/sets/72157625583483616/
Sore last night, better today after breakfast out, full ride reprt
later tonight

Thanks to all that helped make the day.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ NRC

[Bill Gibson]

> It would interesting to know what combination of factors are
> attributable to a bike having a tendency for speed wobbles.
>
> Jim Cloud
> Tucson, AZ
>

Which is the subject of the Shimmy Review in the Winter BQ!
The Winter BQ recounts opinions and experiences from the past 100 years in a
few pages, and points toward ways to reduce or eliminate the phenomenon.
Subscribe, and you will not regret it! Well, I don't know that, but I
haven't regretted it. I went ahead and got the whole set.

If you do, too, you'll see how groups of riders, some of whom have
considerable training in science, have been exploring French bicycles, yes,
but also other than French bicycles, discovering and introducing a rich body
of cycling knowledge that never made it to the mass market in the USA, but
which was extremely influential, and promises further progress as we develop
new materials and, I hope, a new society as we rebuild American cities and a
better way of life...But, that is just my fond fantasy...
-- 
Bill Gibson
Tempe, Arizona, USA

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Re: [RBW] Wheel Lights Pondering

[Jon Grant]

+1 on the ankle strap. I used to wear a Rivendell one on my left ankle when
commuting, its long tab sticking out further left. Many drivers complimented
me on my very visible ankle strap, occasionally going so far as to ask where
they could get one. I never got a comment on my tail lights, but that ankle
strap got their attention.

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From: Eric Norris 
Reply-To: 
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:35:31 -0800
To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Wheel Lights Pondering

Lee Mitchell, a legendary sag driver who has logged countless hours behind
cyclists of all kinds during the day and night, consistently recommends
reflective ankle bands as the single most effective means of being visible.
I trust that advice and always use them (in combination with a very bright
blinkie).

‹Eric N

On Dec 12, 2010, at 7:55 AM, JimD  wrote:

> On my commute for dark times of the year I want to be REAL visible.
> 
> My take is that making oneself visible among many car lights, various street
> lights, and 
> commercial signage, one's bike can't be over lit.
> 
> I have 2 bright front LED lights, a Dinotte rear light and accompany the
> Dinotte with two planet bike blinkys.
> I'm using the Riv wheel reflectors, Riv ankle reflectors, and a reflective
> vest. I have an eos led on my helmet
> (mainly for getting the attention of cars at intersections). I'm going for the
> 'It Came From OuterSpace' look
> and it seems to work.
> 
> Riding home on Friday I met a bicycler with Niteiz Spokelits
>   on his front
> wheel.
> When he was moving his bike  was quite visible from the side.
> Looking on the Google I see that these use CR2016 batteries so that isn't such
> a good thing.
> As lights go they aren't too dear ~ USD $ 8.
> 
> Anyone using Spokelits?
> 
> I'm also intrigued by Monkey Lights 
> but my lighting compulsion isn't so strong (yet) that I'm going to
> spend ~ USD $ 60. They do look like fun but a bit of a kludge.
> 
> Light em up,
> JimD
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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ

[Ken Freeman]

Or those of the background singers?

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Kelly  wrote:

> So you're saying the harmonics of the guitar may stop the woble?  Good
> thought there. :)
>
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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos today at Riv HQ

[William]

I don't recall, is the San Marcos going to have a 130mm, 132.5mm or
135mm back end spacing?

On Dec 12, 9:30 am, eflayer  wrote:
> yes, both of the protos i rode had one inch threaded forks with nitto
> quills.
>
> On Dec 12, 8:39 am, RoadieRyan  wrote:
>
> > Very Cool I have been hoping for an update for months -thanks for the
> > post.  It appears to have a 1 inch head tube with quill stem is that
> > the case...?
>
> > On Dec 11, 4:04 pm, eflayer  wrote:
>
> > > pretty sure i rode this one first today:
>
> > >https://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/364/original_oct1visus.pdf
>
> > > On Dec 11, 3:58 pm, eflayer  wrote:
>
> > > > did not have camera as i had no idea there would be anything to shoot.
> > > > if you are half way interested now, i believe you will be in with two
> > > > feet when they arrive. let me say again, it really does fit my riding
> > > > style, i am intrigued by good looking sloping framesets, especially
> > > > lugged ones; which are few and far between. and my socks nearly flew
> > > > off at first sight of san. not trying to hype it, i swear. just my
> > > > random reactions.
>
> > > > looks like larger sizes may have double top tubes and THOSE ARE NOT MY
> > > > STYLE...YET. the extra weight,the look, and the no good reason all
> > > > have me do the negative on 2 tops.
>
> > > > On Dec 11, 3:50 pm, Rob Harrison  wrote:
>
> > > > > I am also intrigued by this bike. Did ya take any pictures?
>
> > > > > Rob in Seattle
>
> > > > > On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:40 PM, eflayer wrote:
>
> > > > > > i was there to buy a couple of things. got to see and ride two
> > > > > > prototypes. i thought they were both aesthetically gorgeous. i am
> > > > > > sucker for many of grant's color choices; the oranges, the hillborne
> > > > > > green, and wonder if the production sans will end up in the blue i 
> > > > > > saw
> > > > > > today. i am a rider who appreciates bikes built mostly for paved
> > > > > > smoothish roads.  so the shorter wheelbase of the san wouuld be a
> > > > > > choice for me. both protos had pretty fat tires and my around the
> > > > > > block ride was tantalizing. i'd love to try one shod with pro race
> > > > > > 25's. that might make me want/buy one.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Wheel Lights Pondering

[Eric Norris]

Lee Mitchell, a legendary sag driver who has logged countless hours behind 
cyclists of all kinds during the day and night, consistently recommends 
reflective ankle bands as the single most effective means of being visible. I 
trust that advice and always use them (in combination with a very bright 
blinkie).

—Eric N

On Dec 12, 2010, at 7:55 AM, JimD  wrote:

> On my commute for dark times of the year I want to be REAL visible.
> 
> My take is that making oneself visible among many car lights, various street 
> lights, and 
> commercial signage, one's bike can't be over lit.
> 
> I have 2 bright front LED lights, a Dinotte rear light and accompany the 
> Dinotte with two planet bike blinkys.
> I'm using the Riv wheel reflectors, Riv ankle reflectors, and a reflective 
> vest. I have an eos led on my helmet
> (mainly for getting the attention of cars at intersections). I'm going for 
> the 'It Came From OuterSpace' look 
> and it seems to work.
> 
> Riding home on Friday I met a bicycler with Niteiz Spokelits on his front 
> wheel.
> When he was moving his bike  was quite visible from the side.
> Looking on the Google I see that these use CR2016 batteries so that isn't 
> such a good thing.
> As lights go they aren't too dear ~ USD $ 8.
> 
> Anyone using Spokelits?
> 
> I'm also intrigued by Monkey Lights but my lighting compulsion isn't so 
> strong (yet) that I'm going to 
> spend ~ USD $ 60. They do look like fun but a bit of a kludge.
> 
> Light em up,
> JimD
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[RBW] Re: Wheel Lights Pondering

[Travis]

I have a friend who uses a little knog lights on his hubs. If you were
okay with that method, you could try it with the Blackburn Flea, which
is tiny but rechargeable. Otherwise, hose little watch batteries are
just awful, they're expensive and don't last very long.

That being said, I think spoke lights are fun, but my feeling is that
they aren't bright enough to be seen during the day, and are less
bright than reflectors after dark. What I really like are Schwalbe
tires with the reflective sidewalls - they are surprisingly bright and
offer a large reflective surface area.

Travis

On Dec 12, 10:55 am, JimD  wrote:
> On my commute for dark times of the year I want to be REAL visible.
>
> My take is that making oneself visible among many car lights, various  
> street lights, and
> commercial signage, one's bike can't be over lit.
>
> I have 2 bright front LED lights, a Dinotte rear light and accompany  
> the Dinotte with two planet bike blinkys.
> I'm using the Riv wheel reflectors, Riv ankle reflectors, and a  
> reflective vest. I have an eos led on my helmet
> (mainly for getting the attention of cars at intersections). I'm going  
> for the 'It Came From OuterSpace' look
> and it seems to work.
>
> Riding home on Friday I met a bicycler with Niteiz Spokelits on his  
> front wheel.
> When he was moving his bike  was quite visible from the side.
> Looking on the Google I see that these use CR2016 batteries so that  
> isn't such a good thing.
> As lights go they aren't too dear ~ USD $ 8.
>
> Anyone using Spokelits?
>
> I'm also intrigued by Monkey Lights but my lighting compulsion isn't  
> so strong (yet) that I'm going to
> spend ~ USD $ 60. They do look like fun but a bit of a kludge.
>
> Light em up,
> JimD

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[RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[rperks]

Photos up and sorted,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/sets/72157625583483616/
Sore last night, better today after breakfast out, full ride reprt
later tonight

Thanks to all that helped make the day.

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On Dec 11, 11:55 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Totally picked you out.  Aaron in front, you about four cars back, then John
> a car behind you.  Pretty cool to see you flying down the hill!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Esteban  wrote:
> > Eric - ENJOY the Big Eye.  That's brewed about 300 ft. from where I
> > now sit. Its a nice treat.
>
> > It was a very fun day.  Fantastic weather, and Aaron, James, and I
> > (who needed to get back from the mountains) really bombed down Topanga
> > Canyon.  I knew you guys could see us from the ridge!
>
> > Photo documentation:
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/
>
> > Esteban
> > San Diego, Calif.
>
> > On Dec 11, 9:57 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > > Eric, I read your post while I was running out the door this morning.
> > Just a
> > > touch different over here, low 70's, breezy, sunny.  No IPA though.
>
> > > For the record, we started off with 10 riders in Santa Monica.  Lost one
> > > going up Westridge.  Damn that's a climb and a half!  Pretty close to
> > losing
> > > another due to leg cramps.  A flat tire expertly repaired.  One wipe out
> > on
> > > a downhill sweeper.  Three folks had to leave early and took Topanga Cyn.
> > > down the hill (we could see you from the ridge!)  Hopefully good times
> > had
> > > by all.  Especially as we had a few folks from San Diego in the south,
> > > Ventura in the north, and Redlands out to the east.  As always, real good
> > > people that made the day really enjoyable.  And yes, we had the requisite
> > > bearded guy on an Atlantis, even though Doug couldn't make it!
>
> > > My legs were particularly dead and I struggled a bit.  Will probably have
> > > sore forearms and maybe neck tomorrow, maybe ITB as well.
>
> > > And yes, dinner at Bay Cities, although my ride and I had to split a bit
> > > early.
>
> > > And as always, the proof is in the pictures:
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157625454132801/
>
> > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:57 AM, EricP  wrote:
> > > > Okay, am now officially jealous.
>
> > > > Thursday - 20 hour power outage.  Bikes locked in garage.  Today
> > > > (Saturday) about 4 or 5 inches of snow with a lot more coming.  Mebbe
> > > > a foot or more.  And windy.
>
> > > > If I'm foolhardy, will try to ride one mile to a store and back.  Just
> > > > to get out.  Otherwise it's the Hillborne on the trainer (gack!)
>
> > > > At least will get some guitar practice in and hopefully catch up on
> > > > reading.  Plus, my order of Ballast Point Big Eye IPA showed up.  So
> > > > am prepared and willing to weather out any storm.
>
> > > > Eric Platt
> > > > St. Paul, MN
>
> > > > On Dec 10, 9:40 pm, james black  wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:16, cyclotour...@gmail.com
>
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > Looking for a last minute stocking stuffer idea:  Hop on your bike
> > and
> > > > > > go for a ride with us Saturday morning!  Best mixed terrain ride in
> > > > > > SoCal!
> > > > > > Meeting in Santa Monica @ Peets on Montana & 14th.  Ride is planned
> > to
> > > > > > be underway @ 10:00, so get their early enough to hang out and
> > prepare
> > > > > > yourself for the ride by (ogle bike & drink espresso!).
>
> >http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_apprec.
> > > > ..
>
> > > > > Good Evening RBWers and iBOBers,
>
> > > > > I am planning to join tomorrow's Santa Monica Mountains ride. I'm
> > > > > hoping for good weather. There were some unwholesome, warm gusty
> > winds
> > > > > while I was coming home from work, but tomorrow's forecast sounds
> > > > > pretty good - highs in the mid-70s with north winds at 1 mph. I'll be
> > > > > taking the white Nishiki with the 37mm Paselas.
>
> > > > > James Black
> > > > > Los Angeles, CA
>
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[RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ NRC

[Jim Cloud]

Your experience with a 1972 Paramount is interesting.  I have a 1977
P-15 Paramount, that I'm still riding, and I've never experienced any
problems with speed wobbles.  It's a 26" frame bike with a 110mm
extension on the stem.  It's rock steady descending on steep roads
with speeds attained of 45-55mph..

The only bike, that I've ridden, that exhibited a tendency toward
speed wobbles was a 63 cm Pogliaghi Italcorse bike I purchased in
1974.  It would occasionally develop a speed wobble riding on a level
road, that I could dampen fairly easily by pressing one knee against
the top tube.  For some reason, it never developed a speed wobble
while descending (and this was while I lived in Boulder, CO where
there were many opportunities for fast descents!).

It would interesting to know what combination of factors are
attributable to a bike having a tendency for speed wobbles.

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Dec 12, 10:08 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-12-11 at 20:18 -0800, james black wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 04:59, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > > Knee to top tube is a highly effective and well known (in my experience)
> > > way to stop /speed wobble/ -- as distinguished from "shimmy".  And speed
> > > wobble happens with hands on the bars, in fact can be caused by those
> > > hands on the bar (death grip or shivering).
>
> > In discussions about shimmy (of which there have been many over the
> > years on this and other lists) I have often described a distinction
> > between what I call "speed wobble" and what I call "shimmy". Knee to
> > top tube is effective on "shimmy" (meaning the oscillation one
> > encounters riding no hands at normal cruising speeds of 15-20 mph),
> > but it's hard to put a knee to top tube while pedaling, so this is of
> > limited application (especially on a fixed gear bike).
>
> My 1972 P-15 Paramount had a terrifying speed wobble back when it was
> new.  Clamping the top tube between my knees and trying my best to
> squeeze the bejeezus out of the tube did in fact stop the shaking.  I
> subsequently changed the stem length and the speed wobble permanently
> stopped.  
>
> The bike always felt marginally unstable on fast descents, though -- I
> used to describe it as "holding my life in a little goldfish bowl by the
> fingertips, arms outstretched".

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Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Eye Protection

[Kelly]

Great thoughts.. the fogging up is a definate negative.. I thought
hoped that since the bottom was covered my breath wouldn't seep up and
fog em.. like it does my glasses when I slow down. :)
Back to the drawing board and taking a look at those foldable glasses..
at 15 bucks can't much go wrong.

I think you may be right on that too z-man.. the yellow does help.

later
Kelly

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos today at Riv HQ

[eflayer]

yes, both of the protos i rode had one inch threaded forks with nitto
quills.

On Dec 12, 8:39 am, RoadieRyan  wrote:
> Very Cool I have been hoping for an update for months -thanks for the
> post.  It appears to have a 1 inch head tube with quill stem is that
> the case...?
>
> On Dec 11, 4:04 pm, eflayer  wrote:
>
>
>
> > pretty sure i rode this one first today:
>
> >https://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/364/original_oct1visus.pdf
>
> > On Dec 11, 3:58 pm, eflayer  wrote:
>
> > > did not have camera as i had no idea there would be anything to shoot.
> > > if you are half way interested now, i believe you will be in with two
> > > feet when they arrive. let me say again, it really does fit my riding
> > > style, i am intrigued by good looking sloping framesets, especially
> > > lugged ones; which are few and far between. and my socks nearly flew
> > > off at first sight of san. not trying to hype it, i swear. just my
> > > random reactions.
>
> > > looks like larger sizes may have double top tubes and THOSE ARE NOT MY
> > > STYLE...YET. the extra weight,the look, and the no good reason all
> > > have me do the negative on 2 tops.
>
> > > On Dec 11, 3:50 pm, Rob Harrison  wrote:
>
> > > > I am also intrigued by this bike. Did ya take any pictures?
>
> > > > Rob in Seattle
>
> > > > On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:40 PM, eflayer wrote:
>
> > > > > i was there to buy a couple of things. got to see and ride two
> > > > > prototypes. i thought they were both aesthetically gorgeous. i am
> > > > > sucker for many of grant's color choices; the oranges, the hillborne
> > > > > green, and wonder if the production sans will end up in the blue i saw
> > > > > today. i am a rider who appreciates bikes built mostly for paved
> > > > > smoothish roads.  so the shorter wheelbase of the san wouuld be a
> > > > > choice for me. both protos had pretty fat tires and my around the
> > > > > block ride was tantalizing. i'd love to try one shod with pro race
> > > > > 25's. that might make me want/buy one.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ

[Kelly]

So you're saying the harmonics of the guitar may stop the woble? Good
thought there. :)

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Re: [RBW] Shimmy, according to BQ NRC

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2010-12-11 at 20:18 -0800, james black wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 04:59, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > Knee to top tube is a highly effective and well known (in my experience)
> > way to stop /speed wobble/ -- as distinguished from "shimmy".  And speed
> > wobble happens with hands on the bars, in fact can be caused by those
> > hands on the bar (death grip or shivering).
> 
> In discussions about shimmy (of which there have been many over the
> years on this and other lists) I have often described a distinction
> between what I call "speed wobble" and what I call "shimmy". Knee to
> top tube is effective on "shimmy" (meaning the oscillation one
> encounters riding no hands at normal cruising speeds of 15-20 mph),
> but it's hard to put a knee to top tube while pedaling, so this is of
> limited application (especially on a fixed gear bike).

My 1972 P-15 Paramount had a terrifying speed wobble back when it was
new.  Clamping the top tube between my knees and trying my best to
squeeze the bejeezus out of the tube did in fact stop the shaking.  I
subsequently changed the stem length and the speed wobble permanently
stopped.  

The bike always felt marginally unstable on fast descents, though -- I
used to describe it as "holding my life in a little goldfish bowl by the
fingertips, arms outstretched".



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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos today at Riv HQ

[RoadieRyan]

Very Cool I have been hoping for an update for months -thanks for the
post.  It appears to have a 1 inch head tube with quill stem is that
the case...?

On Dec 11, 4:04 pm, eflayer  wrote:
> pretty sure i rode this one first today:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/364/original_oct1visus.pdf
>
> On Dec 11, 3:58 pm, eflayer  wrote:
>
> > did not have camera as i had no idea there would be anything to shoot.
> > if you are half way interested now, i believe you will be in with two
> > feet when they arrive. let me say again, it really does fit my riding
> > style, i am intrigued by good looking sloping framesets, especially
> > lugged ones; which are few and far between. and my socks nearly flew
> > off at first sight of san. not trying to hype it, i swear. just my
> > random reactions.
>
> > looks like larger sizes may have double top tubes and THOSE ARE NOT MY
> > STYLE...YET. the extra weight,the look, and the no good reason all
> > have me do the negative on 2 tops.
>
> > On Dec 11, 3:50 pm, Rob Harrison  wrote:
>
> > > I am also intrigued by this bike. Did ya take any pictures?
>
> > > Rob in Seattle
>
> > > On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:40 PM, eflayer wrote:
>
> > > > i was there to buy a couple of things. got to see and ride two
> > > > prototypes. i thought they were both aesthetically gorgeous. i am
> > > > sucker for many of grant's color choices; the oranges, the hillborne
> > > > green, and wonder if the production sans will end up in the blue i saw
> > > > today. i am a rider who appreciates bikes built mostly for paved
> > > > smoothish roads.  so the shorter wheelbase of the san wouuld be a
> > > > choice for me. both protos had pretty fat tires and my around the
> > > > block ride was tantalizing. i'd love to try one shod with pro race
> > > > 25's. that might make me want/buy one.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ

[Montclair BobbyB]

... at 57 mph in a turn I was afraid of that bike at speed ...

Only thing crazier I've ever heard of was Arlo Gutherie riding his
motorcycle down the mountain road... playin' his guitar... Geez,
Kelly, STFD... gonna kill yourself.

On Dec 11, 11:38 am, Kelly  wrote:
> I had an experiance with a high speed shimmy .. always over 50 mph and
> if I was trying to turn it was even worse. Tried everything. Giant
> eventually gave me a new frame .. only because they didn't have a
> matching fork for the frame I had.. in that case they believed it to be
> in the frame. It was pure torture.. I don't like being afraid of my
> bike, but after having it shimmy/shake at 57 mph in a turn I was afraid
> of that bike at speed. Another time at 63 mph. Headsets, wheels, tires,
> handle bars, stems.. seat adjustments.. what's worse the only way to
> test to see if it's fixed was to get back to that speed. After I got
> the new frame is was like night and day.. and relaized the bike had
> been loose or looser than the new one.. loose = not as stable even in
> those 30 40 mph turns as the new one..
>
> I trying to say that means anything.. just saying I don't agree that
> shimmy is part of a bike or that we should have to suck it up. If a
> bike shimmy's it takes the fun and love for the bike away.. a deep gut
> renching saddness that the bike isn't what it should be.
>
> As a consumer a shimmy on a new bike is not acceptable to me. Period. I
> expect the answer to be found... in design or something.
>
> Later
>
> Kelly

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[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Amen...

On Dec 12, 9:49 am, Justin August  wrote:
> Last night I dropped off my significant other at her end-of-the-
> accelerated nursing program party on the University of Penn's campus
> in Philly.I pulled over into the dropoff lane (a real lane) and let
> her out. as I was about to pull out, I look into my sideview mirror to
> check if everything's clear, see nothing, start to go then SLAM on the
> brakes. In all of that nothing there was a cyclist. Riding a black
> bike. With black pants, black hoodie, black basket, black bag, black
> hat, black scarf and black helmet. The only bit of illumination this
> rider had in a crowded urban area with tons of traffic was an anemic
> RED blinky on the front of their bike that had all of the illumination
> output to make me think the batteries needed changed 3 years ago. As a
> multimodal commuter in Philly - I live in West Philly and ride or
> drive to my job teaching 2nd graders 3 miles away in deeper West
> Philly - I am constantly astonished at how many folks on bikes are not
> lit up. It's incredibly irresponsible to do so. The cyclist last night
> could have been killed, easily, by myself or several other drivers.
> Who's fault would it have been? The driver dutifully checking their
> mirrors or the cyclist riding in all black at night without adequate
> illumination?
>
> Frustrating.
>
> On Dec 11, 10:22 pm, erik jensen  wrote:
>
>
>
> > my point was intended to question the notions floating in this thread about
> > right/wrong, intentional/accidental that seem grounded in a sort of strange
> > sort of positivism grown from tired traffic laws based in patently false
> > traffic engineering theory.
>
> > i don't own a car, and i think most don't need to, but i am not
> > "car-bagging" with that comment. it's easy enough to demonstrably show the
> > ethics behind mode choice, and easy enough to ignore or justify action
> > beyond the demands of science.
>
> > at the end of the day, i think: go drive a bike for awhile, it'll help.
>
> > erik
>
> > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2010-12-11 at 18:55 -0800, newenglandbike wrote:
> > > > "motorists are always putting everyone else in harms way, diminishing
> > > > quality of life, contributing to health problems and increased
> > > > mortality, making everyone subsidize their actions through state and
> > > > federal taxes, necessitating wars in foreign countries for oil field
> > > > security, impelling oil-spill catastrophes in the seas, encouraging
> > > > rampant urban-sprawl development policies, contributing heavily to
> > > > localized air pollution, decreasing agricultural yields, reducing
> > > > atmospheric visibility, aggravating global climate instability,
> > > > creating noise pollution, and leaving behind 7 billion pounds of
> > > > unrecycled scrap annually, without consideration at all for their
> > > > actions."
>
> > > Enough already.  This list is not supposed to be about car-hating.
> > > There are other places for those sentiments.  Take it over there,
> > > please.
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[RBW] Re: Larkspur Tunnel Open

[Montclair BobbyB]

Way cool... awesome.

On Dec 11, 9:55 pm, Ray  wrote:
> If you don't ride in Marin County, CA, then pardon the region-centric
> post.
>
> So, today I decided to incorporate a medium distance ride and some
> Christmas shopping.  I pulled out the Atlantis and one of my new Swift
> Industries panniers and set out.  Although the stores I wanted to
> patronize are all in  San Francisco, I decided I'd ride into Marin and
> hit the same stores up there. It also gave me an opportunity to ride
> through the just-opened Larkspur Cyclist/Pedestrian Tunnel that runs
> between San Rafael and Larkspur Landing.  It's an old railway tunnel
> that was converted to multi-use rail-to-trail.  They did a great job.
> Lighted, cell phone coverage, well paved and striped.  The tunnel is
> about two city blocks long, but it saves a climb over the San Quentin
> Prison grade, and cuts off about a mile of distance.  Not sure I'd
> want to ride through it late on a Friday or Saturday night, but it's
> sure nice for a day ride. The actual name of the tunnel is The Cal
> Park Hill Tunnel. Here's a link to a news story about it:
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/07/DDF71GL32...

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[RBW] Wheel Lights Pondering

[JimD]

On my commute for dark times of the year I want to be REAL visible.

My take is that making oneself visible among many car lights, various  
street lights, and

commercial signage, one's bike can't be over lit.

I have 2 bright front LED lights, a Dinotte rear light and accompany  
the Dinotte with two planet bike blinkys.
I'm using the Riv wheel reflectors, Riv ankle reflectors, and a  
reflective vest. I have an eos led on my helmet
(mainly for getting the attention of cars at intersections). I'm going  
for the 'It Came From OuterSpace' look

and it seems to work.

Riding home on Friday I met a bicycler with Niteiz Spokelits on his  
front wheel.

When he was moving his bike  was quite visible from the side.
Looking on the Google I see that these use CR2016 batteries so that  
isn't such a good thing.

As lights go they aren't too dear ~ USD $ 8.

Anyone using Spokelits?

I'm also intrigued by Monkey Lights but my lighting compulsion isn't  
so strong (yet) that I'm going to

spend ~ USD $ 60. They do look like fun but a bit of a kludge.

Light em up,
JimD

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[RBW] Re: Spikes

[David T.]

You are absolutely right, Ray. Right now I am just using the higher
gear. With the 40 mm tires, there is clearance at the back, except I
am limited in how far I can move the tire forward, because it butts up
against the kickstand plate when I slide it forward. That means when I
slide it all the way back in the lower gear, I run out of fork end,
and the chain is a bit slack in the lower gear. It would probably be
fine but I'm not used to riding with a slack chain so for now I am
just leaving it in one gear. I will try the lower gear again  when I
have time, and move the fender back accordingly.





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Re: [RBW] Spikes

[Ray Shine]

David -- Those appear to be a set of Planet Bike fenders.  They don't appear to 
be set back enough in the rear to allow a gear change. Do you just keep the 
single speed?  Nice set up.





From: David T. 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 7:34:16 AM
Subject: [RBW] Spikes

My Quickbeam with 40mm Marathon Winter studded tires.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/51518...@n06/5254580852/in/set-72157625582584196/

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[RBW] Spikes

[David T.]

My Quickbeam with 40mm Marathon Winter studded tires.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/51518...@n06/5254580852/in/set-72157625582584196/

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Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Eye Protection

[robert zeidler]

For night riding (my .02) you'd be better off with those yellow-ish lenses
such as used in fog/low-light conditions, or a variation thereof.

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Kelly  wrote:

> Feet - Check - Wood Socks.. Boots whatever for temp
> Legs- Check - Wool underwear.. Musa - or jeans good to 25 degrees - Snow
> pants over wool and musa - down to 8 degrees
> Body - Check - Any number of base layers, a shirt, sweater, many different
> coats ../ turtle necks etc good to negative temps
> head- Check- Balaclava or two with beenie as needed .. can make my head
> sweat down to very low temps.
> Eyes-- anything under 30 degrees I get headaches from the winds and my
> glasses getting to cold for my nose... off is worse.
>
> Anyway.. looking for snow skiing goggles with clear lens for night riding
> or changable.. found several (no clear lenses yet) just haven't pulled the
> trigger .. all under 50 bucks and look like they would make riding more
> fun.  No fogging up when I cover my nose with the balaclava - good vision
> (think glasses will still be wearable inside them)  trying to think of what
> negative I'm missing...
>
> Could it really just be a good idea?
>
> hmmm
>
> off to the store tomorrow.
>
> later
> Kelly
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any VO drop bar guinea pigs yet?

[robert zeidler]

I haven't yet, but after reading your post, I took a closer look and really
like the bend of a couple of them.  Flat top, and not to deep a drop.  The
rhyming starts and I can't stop!  Uh, sorry.

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Travis wrote:

> Nobody? Maybe I'll have to take the plunge myself.
>
> On Dec 10, 12:35 pm, Pete  wrote:
> > Me too, a review would be fab!
> >
> > On 10 Dec, 18:18, Travis  wrote:
> >
> > > They look pretty interesting. The ramp seems to be completely level -
> > > outdoing even the Noodle. The drops are also level, which I think will
> > > look nicer but be slightly less comfortable than an angled drop.
> >
> > >http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/grand-cr.
> ..
> >
> > > -Travis
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Re: [RBW] Re: Larkspur Tunnel Open

[Ray Shine]

Eric -- Yep, that was a section of the old NWP.  I, too, am a railroad buff.  I 
particularly like old streetcars.  I work for the SFMTA, which used to be 
called 
the San Francisco Municipal Railway. 






From: EricP 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 5:54:33 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Larkspur Tunnel Open

I don't mind at all.  Like the re-use of the old tunnel.

Does anyone know which railroad that was for?  Part of me thinks it
was the Northwestern Pacific (NWP).  But am not sure.

(Yeah, I'm a railroad fan.  Big time.)

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Dec 11, 8:55 pm, Ray  wrote:
> If you don't ride in Marin County, CA, then pardon the region-centric
> post.
>
> So, today I decided to incorporate a medium distance ride and some
> Christmas shopping.  I pulled out the Atlantis and one of my new Swift
> Industries panniers and set out.  Although the stores I wanted to
> patronize are all in  San Francisco, I decided I'd ride into Marin and
> hit the same stores up there. It also gave me an opportunity to ride
> through the just-opened Larkspur Cyclist/Pedestrian Tunnel that runs
> between San Rafael and Larkspur Landing.  It's an old railway tunnel
> that was converted to multi-use rail-to-trail.  They did a great job.
> Lighted, cell phone coverage, well paved and striped.  The tunnel is
> about two city blocks long, but it saves a climb over the San Quentin
> Prison grade, and cuts off about a mile of distance.  Not sure I'd
> want to ride through it late on a Friday or Saturday night, but it's
> sure nice for a day ride. The actual name of the tunnel is The Cal
> Park Hill Tunnel. Here's a link to a news story about it:
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/07/DDF71GL32...

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[RBW] Re: Any VO drop bar guinea pigs yet?

[Travis]

Nobody? Maybe I'll have to take the plunge myself.

On Dec 10, 12:35 pm, Pete  wrote:
> Me too, a review would be fab!
>
> On 10 Dec, 18:18, Travis  wrote:
>
> > They look pretty interesting. The ramp seems to be completely level -
> > outdoing even the Noodle. The drops are also level, which I think will
> > look nicer but be slightly less comfortable than an angled drop.
>
> >http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/grand-cr...
>
> > -Travis

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[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

[Justin August]

Last night I dropped off my significant other at her end-of-the-
accelerated nursing program party on the University of Penn's campus
in Philly.I pulled over into the dropoff lane (a real lane) and let
her out. as I was about to pull out, I look into my sideview mirror to
check if everything's clear, see nothing, start to go then SLAM on the
brakes. In all of that nothing there was a cyclist. Riding a black
bike. With black pants, black hoodie, black basket, black bag, black
hat, black scarf and black helmet. The only bit of illumination this
rider had in a crowded urban area with tons of traffic was an anemic
RED blinky on the front of their bike that had all of the illumination
output to make me think the batteries needed changed 3 years ago. As a
multimodal commuter in Philly - I live in West Philly and ride or
drive to my job teaching 2nd graders 3 miles away in deeper West
Philly - I am constantly astonished at how many folks on bikes are not
lit up. It's incredibly irresponsible to do so. The cyclist last night
could have been killed, easily, by myself or several other drivers.
Who's fault would it have been? The driver dutifully checking their
mirrors or the cyclist riding in all black at night without adequate
illumination?

Frustrating.



On Dec 11, 10:22 pm, erik jensen  wrote:
> my point was intended to question the notions floating in this thread about
> right/wrong, intentional/accidental that seem grounded in a sort of strange
> sort of positivism grown from tired traffic laws based in patently false
> traffic engineering theory.
>
> i don't own a car, and i think most don't need to, but i am not
> "car-bagging" with that comment. it's easy enough to demonstrably show the
> ethics behind mode choice, and easy enough to ignore or justify action
> beyond the demands of science.
>
> at the end of the day, i think: go drive a bike for awhile, it'll help.
>
> erik
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > On Sat, 2010-12-11 at 18:55 -0800, newenglandbike wrote:
> > > "motorists are always putting everyone else in harms way, diminishing
> > > quality of life, contributing to health problems and increased
> > > mortality, making everyone subsidize their actions through state and
> > > federal taxes, necessitating wars in foreign countries for oil field
> > > security, impelling oil-spill catastrophes in the seas, encouraging
> > > rampant urban-sprawl development policies, contributing heavily to
> > > localized air pollution, decreasing agricultural yields, reducing
> > > atmospheric visibility, aggravating global climate instability,
> > > creating noise pollution, and leaving behind 7 billion pounds of
> > > unrecycled scrap annually, without consideration at all for their
> > > actions."
>
> > Enough already.  This list is not supposed to be about car-hating.
> > There are other places for those sentiments.  Take it over there,
> > please.
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[RBW] Re: Cold Weather Eye Protection

[David T.]

A good combination is to wear a peaked cap with a good sized peak
under your helmet, and either a pair of eyeglasses or sunglasses. You
can angle the peak down which helps to keep the wind and snowflakes
out of your eyes, and also protects your face. I have a nice insulated
peaked cap with ear flaps. I take the foam pads out of the helmet and
it fits quite well. My head doesn’t get too hot or cold.

The glasses are sometimes better than goggles when you are exerting
yourself, they won’t fog up while you are outside. The sunglasses worn
by cross-country skiers would work well. Ski goggles are good for
downhill skiing, but when you are producing a lot of body heat they
can fog up. That is why you don’t typically see cross-country skiers
wearing goggles.

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[RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

[EricP]

Thanks.  It is good.  (Went to their beer dinner last year.)

Those photos warm me up nicely.  Especially as it's 0F here with 16+
inches of new snow and the roads are just starting to get plowed
out.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Dec 12, 1:14 am, Esteban  wrote:
> Eric - ENJOY the Big Eye.  That's brewed about 300 ft. from where I
> now sit. Its a nice treat.
>
> It was a very fun day.  Fantastic weather, and Aaron, James, and I
> (who needed to get back from the mountains) really bombed down Topanga
> Canyon.  I knew you guys could see us from the ridge!
>
> Photo documentation:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
>

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[RBW] Re: Cold Weather Eye Protection

[EricP]

I tried goggles last year.  Didn't work for me.  Fogged up to0 much on
climbs and general riding.  Mainly as I don't breathe "properly"
through the nose.  (Knuckle draggin' mouth breather alert!)

This year just going back to letting the eyes tear up and living with
it.  Though titanium frames for my new glasses seem to hurt less than
the regular type.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN



On Dec 12, 8:04 am, japhilip  wrote:
> I've been using the Oakley L Frame motorcycle goggle.    They work
> with glasses.  Clear lens.  They do fog a bit if you stop moving or
> the going gets slow.  http://tinyurl.com/353erng
>
> On Dec 12, 12:05 am, Kelly  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Feet - Check - Wood Socks.. Boots whatever for temp
> > Legs- Check - Wool underwear.. Musa - or jeans good to 25 degrees -
> > Snow pants over wool and musa - down to 8 degrees
> > Body - Check - Any number of base layers, a shirt, sweater, many
> > different coats ../ turtle necks etc good to negative temps
> > head- Check- Balaclava or two with beenie as needed .. can make my head
> > sweat down to very low temps.
> > Eyes-- anything under 30 degrees I get headaches from the winds and my
> > glasses getting to cold for my nose... off is worse.
>
> > Anyway.. looking for snow skiing goggles with clear lens for night
> > riding or changable.. found several (no clear lenses yet) just haven't
> > pulled the trigger .. all under 50 bucks and look like they would make
> > riding more fun. No fogging up when I cover my nose with the balaclava
> > - good vision (think glasses will still be wearable inside them) trying
> > to think of what negative I'm missing...
>
> > Could it really just be a good idea?
>
> > hmmm
>
> > off to the store tomorrow.
>
> > later
> > Kelly- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Cold Weather Eye Protection

[japhilip]

I've been using the Oakley L Frame motorcycle goggle.They work
with glasses.  Clear lens.  They do fog a bit if you stop moving or
the going gets slow.  http://tinyurl.com/353erng

On Dec 12, 12:05 am, Kelly  wrote:
> Feet - Check - Wood Socks.. Boots whatever for temp
> Legs- Check - Wool underwear.. Musa - or jeans good to 25 degrees -
> Snow pants over wool and musa - down to 8 degrees
> Body - Check - Any number of base layers, a shirt, sweater, many
> different coats ../ turtle necks etc good to negative temps
> head- Check- Balaclava or two with beenie as needed .. can make my head
> sweat down to very low temps.
> Eyes-- anything under 30 degrees I get headaches from the winds and my
> glasses getting to cold for my nose... off is worse.
>
> Anyway.. looking for snow skiing goggles with clear lens for night
> riding or changable.. found several (no clear lenses yet) just haven't
> pulled the trigger .. all under 50 bucks and look like they would make
> riding more fun. No fogging up when I cover my nose with the balaclava
> - good vision (think glasses will still be wearable inside them) trying
> to think of what negative I'm missing...
>
> Could it really just be a good idea?
>
> hmmm
>
> off to the store tomorrow.
>
> later
> Kelly

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[RBW] Re: Larkspur Tunnel Open

[EricP]

I don't mind at all.  Like the re-use of the old tunnel.

Does anyone know which railroad that was for?  Part of me thinks it
was the Northwestern Pacific (NWP).  But am not sure.

(Yeah, I'm a railroad fan.  Big time.)

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Dec 11, 8:55 pm, Ray  wrote:
> If you don't ride in Marin County, CA, then pardon the region-centric
> post.
>
> So, today I decided to incorporate a medium distance ride and some
> Christmas shopping.  I pulled out the Atlantis and one of my new Swift
> Industries panniers and set out.  Although the stores I wanted to
> patronize are all in  San Francisco, I decided I'd ride into Marin and
> hit the same stores up there. It also gave me an opportunity to ride
> through the just-opened Larkspur Cyclist/Pedestrian Tunnel that runs
> between San Rafael and Larkspur Landing.  It's an old railway tunnel
> that was converted to multi-use rail-to-trail.  They did a great job.
> Lighted, cell phone coverage, well paved and striped.  The tunnel is
> about two city blocks long, but it saves a climb over the San Quentin
> Prison grade, and cuts off about a mile of distance.  Not sure I'd
> want to ride through it late on a Friday or Saturday night, but it's
> sure nice for a day ride. The actual name of the tunnel is The Cal
> Park Hill Tunnel. Here's a link to a news story about it:
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/07/DDF71GL32...

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[RBW] Re: Cold Weather Eye Protection

[newenglandbike]

Absolutely, goggles in anything below 25F are great!Depending on
how cold/damp your weather is, I recommend dual-pane goggles if you
can find them.   I have a single-pane set that seem to fog whenever I
want to cover my nose.


On Dec 12, 12:05 am, Kelly  wrote:
> Feet - Check - Wood Socks.. Boots whatever for temp
> Legs- Check - Wool underwear.. Musa - or jeans good to 25 degrees -
> Snow pants over wool and musa - down to 8 degrees
> Body - Check - Any number of base layers, a shirt, sweater, many
> different coats ../ turtle necks etc good to negative temps
> head- Check- Balaclava or two with beenie as needed .. can make my head
> sweat down to very low temps.
> Eyes-- anything under 30 degrees I get headaches from the winds and my
> glasses getting to cold for my nose... off is worse.
>
> Anyway.. looking for snow skiing goggles with clear lens for night
> riding or changable.. found several (no clear lenses yet) just haven't
> pulled the trigger .. all under 50 bucks and look like they would make
> riding more fun. No fogging up when I cover my nose with the balaclava
> - good vision (think glasses will still be wearable inside them) trying
> to think of what negative I'm missing...
>
> Could it really just be a good idea?
>
> hmmm
>
> off to the store tomorrow.
>
> later
> Kelly

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[RBW] Re: Cold Weather Eye Protection

[Garth]

Goggles are great if you can breathe through your nose properly. I'm
one who cannot.  Oakley makes a model called a Splice, that allows for
unrestricted breathing through the nose.

Whatever model you choose, you usually have to buy the clear lens
separate . it's just how it is. Everyone who make goggles sells
clear lenses.

An alternative to full goggles is motorcycle goggles, or tactical
goggles, which are smaller but still seal the eyes.

Myself, I use clear safety glasses from Walmart. SafetyVu brand 
$5.  No fogging riding in the low 20's. My eyes generally water
profusely for the first 20 minutes or so out in the cold, but
eventually my body adjusts. These glasses help a lot, but they're
certainly not sealed or anything. To each their own!

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[RBW] WTB Quickbeam headbadge

[ccanter]

Subject says it all.
Very Best,
Clyde Canter

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