date:20110117

It really is alpine. I've driven through the park on several trips to
Bend and have encountered some
real mountain weather. We were camped for two days at Diamond Lake. It
would be fun to go there

for several days and use the campground as a base camp for day rides.
-JimD
On Jan 17, 2011, at 8:25 PM Jan 17, 2011, rcnute wrote:

I went to Crater Lake once. It was socked in by fog. Now I know what
it looks like!

Ryan

On Jan 17, 1:24 pm, JimD wrote:

Now that we have entered the realm of discussing chain lubrication we
must be in the dreariest days of winter.

Here's my small effort to try to leaven this.
Two pictures from this summer's Oregon Bike Ride:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364940246/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364326099/

And just to keep the wheel of karma in balance (now that I sorta know
what panda is about)
here are a couple of scary ones:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364941906/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364941040/in/photostream/

Please don't tell my mom about these.
-JimD

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Re: [RBW] The Phoenix? (Hunqafied Hillborne, actually)

That's a beaut.
Nice riding conditions too.
-JimD
On Jan 17, 2011, at 8:49 PM Jan 17, 2011, James Warren wrote:

On January 17 of 2010, I had a slight misfortune, but in the end,
was very lucky. I was hit by a car while riding and got a
concussion, several broken ribs, and some bruised nerves. I was
taken in an ambulance due to losing consciousness, but my injuries
were the kind that could heal on their own. A week or so after the
accident, I got some nice words and a bit of advice from some people
on this list, and I am thankful for that. It was a bad experience
the day it happened, but afterwards, I learned a lot and gained
appreciation for the good things in my life. This list is one of
those things.

About 11 months ago, I began a process of replacing the bike that
was in the accident, my green Quickbeam with a working front
derailleur (see it in RR#36). The replacement frame was going to be
an orange Quickbeam, but since I was so set on finding a way to add
even more gears via an internal hub in the buildup process, I
finally realized that the replacement frame needed to be a Hillborne
for this bike’s purposes. Patrick Moore, I was asking this list for
advice a few months ago about adding rear gears to the Quickbeam,
and your advice which was, “Why not use one of the frame models that
is made for gears?” , helped to set me straight.

So, at the risk of overdramatizing the accident, below is the
phoenix that rose from the ashes. My Hunqafied Hillborne with
sidepulls. It has the low gears that I would usually miss on my QB:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46035786@N07/sets/72157625850005210/

Favorite features:

Gearing is the best: 24-36-46 Sugino with Shimano 12-36 rear.

Bruce Gordon Rock and Road 700x40 tires. Tread makes them good for
pavement and dirt.

Bullmoose Bars with Ergon Grips

Paul Mounts with 9 speed Shimano indexed

Silver sidepulls. I’ve always liked these. Really like them with
mountain levers

Mini-rack mounts available and use of mini in front and full rack in
the rear.

I LOVE this bike. And I’ve owned a few nice bikes. This one snuck up
on all the rest and has caused them to sit idle. I finished setting
up this Hillborne on Tuesday January 4th, and I’ve only ridden this
bike since. Since setting it up, I have ridden it to work every day.
Tomorrow should be 10 days consecutive, and I see no reason why this
week won’t bring the steak to 13. I also plan to ride this bike in
San Diego in February with the group.

I used to think a drop bar road bike set up with Jack Browns for
country riding was the perfect bike, but this Hillhunqer is causing
me to question that. It's also neat how it just sort of happened.
The assembly was extremely fast once I saw it in my head. The build
wasn't what I had originally planned, but I think reading this list
influenced my instincts, and it just sort of came to me without
feeling like I planned it.

The bike rides really nice. It's really stable, and I feel
comfortable. The big tires are the best. I probably ride it slower
than I do the road country bikes, but if that is true, I like it,
because it feels like I am savoring the bike. I get up looking
forward to riding it.

Thanks for reading.

-Jim W.

[RBW] Photos From Today's Ride -Jan 17

As a tribute to MLK, I meandered over to San Antonio Preserve and up  
into Steven's Canyon on my Riv.

Some photos:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5365633757/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5366248626/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5366247920/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5365634313/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5365634869/

It was such a nice day that it is going to be hard going back to work  
tomorrow.


-JimD


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[RBW] Re: Rust on my chain!!!

2011-01-17 Thread AmiSingh

Just got a fab recommendation of Rock-n-Roll Gold lubrication.  Link
below.

http://www.rocklube.com/gold.htm

500-700 miles dry, 200-300 miles wet between applications sounds
impressive.

Esteban, I'm looking forward to reading your review of the Chain-L.

Thanks for all the feedback and recommendations.

I think I'll start over with a clean chain tomorrow.  In the future
I'll avoid the slurry mix of salt/snow/ice/water/muck.  I'm also going
to return my white lightning ceramic lube. I never really got into
it's black spray-off. Despite chain wipedowns before during and after
a ride it continued to pollute my chain stay.

On Jan 17, 5:31 pm, Esteban  wrote:
> I'm gonna try some of this Chain-L I got from Velo Cult.
>
> http://www.chain-l.com/
>
> The people I know who use it say its the best they've tried.
>
> I'lll let you all know how it goes when I lube the Ebisu and give it a
> twirl.
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
>
> On Jan 17, 2:18 pm, Steve  wrote:
>
>
>
> > My winter hybrid (with studded tires and used extensively on icy,
> > salty streets) gets synthetic motor oil on the chain.  I have found
> > that this works well
> > to keep slush off and minimize rust, although it does pick up grime.
> > At the end of the season, I clean it with my Park chain cleaner, lube
> > again with motor oil, and hang
> > up the bike for the summer.  The chain has surface rust but the pins
> > are free and it is flexible which is what counts.  Most of the rust
> > seems to have appeared when I was using
> > regular chain lube, not the motor oil.
>
> > I have been toying with buying a Wipperman stainless chain but will
> > wait until the current one gives up the ghost.
>
> > Rust is an ever-present problem in snow, slush, and salt.  You learn
> > to live with it.
>
> > Steve
>
> > On Jan 17, 12:16 am, AmiSingh  wrote:
>
> > > I found a good amount of rust on my almost new chain today! Definitely
> > > less than 100 miles on it.
>
> > > The chain was degreased/stripped of lube, then waxed with an 80/20
> > > blend of paraffin to bees wax and I've been riding a few miles (15
> > > tops) 3 times a week in the bitter cold Midwest. Once I rode when the
> > > streets were a slurry of melting snow, ice, salt and dirt/muck.
> > > Otherwise, mostly dry roads or when there's been a fresh thick
> > > powdering.
>
> > > I did not expect rust, but maybe I should have...
>
> > > So what do I do with my almost new rusty chain and should I worry
> > > about my bottom bracket or any other parts of the frame or any of it's
> > > components?
>
> > > Note, I like to keep my bike clean, use simple green finished with
> > > pedro's bike lust every 2 or 3 times I ride in these conditions.

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[RBW] The Phoenix? (Hunqafied Hillborne, actually)

2011-01-17 Thread James Warren


On January 17 of 2010, I had a slight misfortune, but in the end, was very 
lucky. I was hit by a car while riding and got a concussion, several broken 
ribs, and some bruised nerves. I was taken in an ambulance due to losing 
consciousness, but my injuries were the kind that could heal on their own. A 
week or so after the accident, I got some nice words and a bit of advice from 
some people on this list, and I am thankful for that. It was a bad experience 
the day it happened, but afterwards, I learned a lot and gained appreciation 
for the good things in my life. This list is one of those things. 

About 11 months ago, I began a process of replacing the bike that was in the 
accident, my green Quickbeam with a working front derailleur (see it in RR#36). 
The replacement frame was going to be an orange Quickbeam, but since I was so 
set on finding a way to add even more gears via an internal hub in the buildup 
process, I finally realized that the replacement frame needed to be a Hillborne 
for this bike’s purposes. Patrick Moore, I was asking this list for advice a 
few months ago about adding rear gears to the Quickbeam, and your advice which 
was, “Why not use one of the frame models that is made for gears?” , helped to 
set me straight.

So, at the risk of overdramatizing the accident, below is the phoenix that rose 
from the ashes. My Hunqafied Hillborne with sidepulls. It has the low gears 
that I would usually miss on my QB:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/46035786@N07/sets/72157625850005210/


Favorite features:

Gearing is the best: 24-36-46 Sugino with Shimano 12-36 rear.

Bruce Gordon Rock and Road 700x40 tires. Tread makes them good for pavement and 
dirt.

Bullmoose Bars with Ergon Grips

Paul Mounts with 9 speed Shimano indexed

Silver sidepulls. I’ve always liked these. Really like them with mountain levers

Mini-rack mounts available and use of mini in front and full rack in the rear.

 

I LOVE this bike. And I’ve owned a few nice bikes. This one snuck up on all the 
rest and has caused them to sit idle. I finished setting up this Hillborne on 
Tuesday January 4th, and I’ve only ridden this bike since. Since setting it up, 
I have ridden it to work every day. Tomorrow should be 10 days consecutive, and 
I see no reason why this week won’t bring the steak to 13. I also plan to ride 
this bike in San Diego in February with the group.

I used to think a drop bar road bike set up with Jack Browns for country riding 
was the perfect bike, but this Hillhunqer is causing me to question that. It's 
also neat how it just sort of happened. The assembly was extremely fast once I 
saw it in my head. The build wasn't what I had originally planned, but I think 
reading this list influenced my instincts, and it just sort of came to me 
without feeling like I planned it.

The bike rides really nice. It's really stable, and I feel comfortable. The big 
tires are the best. I probably ride it slower than I do the road country bikes, 
but if that is true, I like it, because it feels like I am savoring the bike. I 
get up looking forward to riding it.

Thanks for reading.

-Jim W.

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[RBW] Re: An Attempt To Temper Winter Blahs

2011-01-17 Thread rcnute

I went to Crater Lake once.  It was socked in by fog.  Now I know what
it looks like!

Ryan

On Jan 17, 1:24 pm, JimD  wrote:
> Now that we have entered the realm of discussing chain lubrication we  
> must be in the dreariest days of winter.
>
> Here's my small effort to try to leaven this.
> Two pictures from this summer's Oregon Bike Ride:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364940246/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364326099/
>
> And just to keep the wheel of karma in balance (now that I sorta know  
> what panda is about)
> here are a couple of scary ones:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364941906/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364941040/in/photostream/
>
> Please don't tell my mom about these.
> -JimD

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[RBW] Re: New pictures of my Bombadil

2011-01-17 Thread rcnute

Only missing one thing--dirt!

Ryan

On Jan 17, 4:33 pm, Rob Harrison  wrote:
> That is a handsome bike!
>
> Rob in Seattle
>
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 2:04 PM, williwoods wrote:
>
> > Hey Guys,
>
> > Here are some updated pics of my Bombadil after much tinkering,
> > experimenting and of course plenty of saddle time. Everything
> > functions wonderfully.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne - RBW Visit

2011-01-17 Thread A D

Thanks.

As far as a comparison - I'm probably not the best one to give a very
detailed opinion.  I like both bikes and really just wished I had more
time to ride.

I've ridden the SO the most and have it dialed in for comfort.  I
really can't explain it but the bike just feels right.

The Ebisu has seen mutliple 40 mile rides but I haven't touched the
setup outside of the saddle height since I picked it up from
Jitensha.  I'll start to dial the Ebisu in the next couple of weeks
and I'm sure it will be just as comfortable.

As far as responsiveness, quickness, riding position, etc.  I'm sure
there are differences in both bikes but I'm just not that tuned into
them.  Sorry I couldn't help much but maybe some of the other guys
with the Quickbeam/ Ebisu combo can comment.

On Jan 17, 10:12 am, Pondero  wrote:
> The simple, clean look is quite elegant.  The color is classy.
>
> I'm interested in a comparison with your Ebisu.  Could you provide
> comments of your observations of similarities and differences?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Edelux stays on all the time...

2011-01-17 Thread Rene Sterental

Thanks Eric.

I now see the sensor. Cannot see anything blocking it but will try
your suggestion to blast it with some canned air. However, it seems to
me that it's unlikely it'll be dirty as its behaved like this since
the first day I bought it.

I gather that anytime the bike is indoors, disregarding how well
lighted the place may be, the sensor will turn the light on. I will
check it when its sunny outside but also gather that any time there
are clouds, the light will also turn on. I would have thought that the
level of light needed to turn it on would be the equivalent of the end
of the day, when you'd normally turn your lights on.

My rear Spanninga Plateo Rack Mount Battery Tail Light which also has
a senso mode seems to work much better in terms of turning itself on
when it seems right. It also has some sort of sensor so it only turns
itself on if the light is low (or indoors) AND the bike is moved. It
has a standlight feature as well so for me it is now the perfect rack
tail light.

René

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Re: [RBW] Re: Edelux stays on all the time...

2011-01-17 Thread Eric Norris

The switch has three settings: "0" is Off, "S" is Sensor, and "1" is On.  The 
sensor is in the depressed ring that the switch piece slides in--you can see it 
on the right side near the mounting bracket.  In the "S" position the sensor is 
uncovered, in the "1" position the switch piece rotates all the way and covers 
the sensor, making the light think it's dark and turning it on.

I would guess that something is covering the sensor, or that there is perhaps 
some dirt blocking it.  Try blasting it with some canned air (like you would 
use on a computer).

One other quirk of the Edelux is that there is no way to turn it off 
immediately.  Once the light has been on, if you rotate the switch to the Off 
("0") position, the light stays on until the standlight capacitor is discharged 
(which can take a few minutes).  On the much less expensive B+M LED lights, the 
switch turns the light off immediately, which I feel is a better solution. 

--Eric
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www.wheelsnorth.org

On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Rene Sterental wrote:

> Dumb question, but where is the light sensor? I have mine mounted in front of 
> the Nitto Mini rack and as far as I can tell, there is nothing in front of 
> the light itself. Behind it there is either a bag or, right now for winter 
> commuting, a basket-Sackville bag combo.
> 
> René
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RE: [RBW] Edelux stays on all the time...

In the sensing mode in the garage with bright sunshine outside it’s on for
me too.  However once I’m outside it goes off.. or when I put my hand in
front of it it’s off.  Add some clouds or overcast day it’s back on.

 

Kelly

 

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Edelux stays on all the time...

 

When the clock changed I bought an Edelux from Peter White and a SON Dyad
wheel from RBW to put on my Atlantis for my daily commute. I'm loving the
dynamo light and the absence of any hassle regarding charging batteries (and
forgetting to do so), but I've noticed that even though my Edelux has 3
positions on the switch and the mid-one should allow the light to turn no
automatically when the light conditions get darker, it's always on.

 

Aside from calling Peter White, which I will do, is there anything I might
be doing wrong?

 

Thanks,

 

René

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Re: [RBW] Re: Edelux stays on all the time...

2011-01-17 Thread Rene Sterental

Dumb question, but where is the light sensor? I have mine mounted in front
of the Nitto Mini rack and as far as I can tell, there is nothing in front
of the light itself. Behind it there is either a bag or, right now for
winter commuting, a basket-Sackville bag combo.

René

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[RBW] Re: A bit OT

2011-01-17 Thread eflayer

someone here might know. His last post on the Vsalon was in Nov:

http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/content/

On Jan 17, 3:59 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
> Does anybody here have any idea what's become of Curt Goodrich's company?
>
> I have a deposit for a bike with him, but every inquiry I make goes
> unanswered.  Is he out of business?
>
> RGZ

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Re: [RBW] New pictures of my Bombadil

2011-01-17 Thread Rob Harrison

That is a handsome bike! 

Rob in Seattle


On Jan 17, 2011, at 2:04 PM, williwoods wrote:

> Hey Guys,
> 
> Here are some updated pics of my Bombadil after much tinkering,
> experimenting and of course plenty of saddle time. Everything
> functions wonderfully.

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[RBW] A bit OT

2011-01-17 Thread robert zeidler

Does anybody here have any idea what's become of Curt Goodrich's company?

I have a deposit for a bike with him, but every inquiry I make goes
unanswered.  Is he out of business?

RGZ

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[RBW] Re: help with primary dynamo light?

2011-01-17 Thread Lynne Fitz

I bet you could find takers for the bulbs and lens.  Go for the LED
light :-)

On Jan 17, 1:49 pm, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
> I managed to break my E6 primary light. One of the tabs broke off and
> wedged down next to the spring and (possibly) shorted or cracked
> something down there. It's really cut into my riding, since I've come
> to rely on the lights, and my battery lights are pretty weak.
>
> Frankly, I'd like to upgrade to an LED light, like the Cyo, but I just
> bought a bunch of bulbs and a new lens for the E6, thinking that would
> fix the problem. With that investment, it seems to make sense that I
> replace the busted primary and continue with my setup.
>
> Is it possible to hack a secondary E6 to be a primary?
> Can I use an LED light as a primary with a halogen secondary light?
> Does anyone have an E6 body they'd let go cheap?
>
> Thanks,
>  Philip
>
>  Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: Edelux stays on all the time...

2011-01-17 Thread Lynne Fitz

You have probably checked this already, but do you have anything
blocking the light sensor?  I noticed my front bag used to block the
sensor on my IQ Fly, and when cars come up behind me, the light flicks
off.  It doesn't have to block it completely, just reduce the amount
of light needed to tell it to turn off.

On Jan 17, 2:45 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> When the clock changed I bought an Edelux from Peter White and a SON Dyad
> wheel from RBW to put on my Atlantis for my daily commute. I'm loving the
> dynamo light and the absence of any hassle regarding charging batteries (and
> forgetting to do so), but I've noticed that even though my Edelux has 3
> positions on the switch and the mid-one should allow the light to turn no
> automatically when the light conditions get darker, it's always on.
>
> Aside from calling Peter White, which I will do, is there anything I might
> be doing wrong?
>
> Thanks,
>
> René

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RE: [RBW] Re: widest tire on a Sam?


They are 43mm Honjo hammered fenders. No bendy tricks at all. I don't know 
anything about the GB Hetres.



best,



JimP

> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:44:04 -0800
> Subject: [RBW] Re: widest tire on a Sam?
> From: jeff...@lightsideps.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> What size fenders are those and: did you have to do any bendy tricks
> around the chain stays? Any idea of a "fatness" comparison between the
> Delta Cruisers and the GB Hetres?
> 
> I'm trying to figure out if a 54/Saluki will take Hetres and fenders
> and still have reasonable clearance for kicked up pebbles and the
> like ...
> 
> thanks/jsk
> 
> 
> On Jan 17, 9:40 am, jim phillips  wrote:
> > Yes, I had Fat Franks on my Sam but when I decided to add fenders I had to 
> > go with Delta Cruisers and the Fat boy was just too fat!
> >
> > best,
> >
> > JimP
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:34:35 -0800
> > > Subject: [RBW] Re: widest tire on a Sam?
> > > From: earlg...@gmail.com
> > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> >
> > > Andrew,
> >
> > > the Sam with fenders is not sporting Fat Franks, but Delta Cruisers,
> > > which are skinnier (don't know how skinny). But the Fat Franks do fit
> > > without fenders:
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/56694464@N02/5314463096/in/photostream/
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/56694464@N02/5314502412/in/photostream/
> >
> > > Gernot
> >
> > > On Jan 16, 2:08 pm, andrew hill  wrote:
> > > > Thanks for info, Gernot!
> >
> > > > Really really tempted to order up some 29" x 2.0 Fat Franks and have a 
> > > > go at it now :)
> >
> > > > Andrew
> >
> > > > On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:51 PM, Earl Grey wrote:
> >
> > > > > Here is a later side pull Sam with Fat Franks and aluminum fenders!
> > > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/56694464@N02/5339491448/in/photostream/l...
> > > > > (Search archives for "Pics of new Samuel Hillborne" for the
> > > > > corresponding thread.)
> >
> > > > > I have an early 56cm Sam with 3 dot fork and recently tried putting on
> > > > > 52mm VO aluminum fenders, and they fit fine, requiring just a tad of
> > > > > squeezing at the chainstay bridge.
> >
> > > > > Since the 50mm Big Apples actually run 44.5mm (photo on rivbike.com),
> > > > > and given the photo above, I would guess that the 50mm Fat Franks will
> > > > > fit, but haven't tried it myself.
> >
> > > > > Gernot
> >
> > > > > On Jan 16, 6:08 am, andrew hill  wrote:
> > > > >> hi folks,
> >
> > > > >> i have what i believe is an "early" Sam, e.g. orange with 3-dot fork.
> > > > >> trying to figure out what the widest tire i can squeeze in there... 
> > > > >> would love to go up from 40mm Mara Sups to a Fat Frank, but doubt a 
> > > > >> 2" will actually fit..
> >
> > > > >> not concerned about fenders (i live in Los Angeles).
> >
> > > > >> anyone else have the same dot-forked Sam who has stuffed über-fats 
> > > > >> in there?
> >
> > > > >> thanks,
> > > > >> andrew
> >
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[RBW] Edelux stays on all the time...

2011-01-17 Thread Rene Sterental

When the clock changed I bought an Edelux from Peter White and a SON Dyad
wheel from RBW to put on my Atlantis for my daily commute. I'm loving the
dynamo light and the absence of any hassle regarding charging batteries (and
forgetting to do so), but I've noticed that even though my Edelux has 3
positions on the switch and the mid-one should allow the light to turn no
automatically when the light conditions get darker, it's always on.

Aside from calling Peter White, which I will do, is there anything I might
be doing wrong?

Thanks,

René

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RE: [RBW] An Attempt To Temper Winter Blahs

Great Pics Jim! Beautiful Bike and the Pandas are terrific!

best,

JimP

From: rasterd...@comcast.net
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] An Attempt To Temper Winter Blahs
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 13:24:59 -0800

Now that we have entered the realm of discussing chain lubrication we must be 
in the dreariest days of winter.
Here's my small effort to try to leaven this. Two pictures from this summer's 
Oregon Bike Ride:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364940246/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364326099/
And just to keep the wheel of karma in balance (now that I sorta know what 
panda is about)here are a couple of scary ones:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364941906/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364941040/in/photostream/
Please don't tell my mom about these.-JimD

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[RBW] Re: Rust on my chain!!!

2011-01-17 Thread Esteban

I'm gonna try some of this Chain-L I got from Velo Cult.

http://www.chain-l.com/

The people I know who use it say its the best they've tried.

I'lll let you all know how it goes when I lube the Ebisu and give it a
twirl.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Jan 17, 2:18 pm, Steve  wrote:
> My winter hybrid (with studded tires and used extensively on icy,
> salty streets) gets synthetic motor oil on the chain.  I have found
> that this works well
> to keep slush off and minimize rust, although it does pick up grime.
> At the end of the season, I clean it with my Park chain cleaner, lube
> again with motor oil, and hang
> up the bike for the summer.  The chain has surface rust but the pins
> are free and it is flexible which is what counts.  Most of the rust
> seems to have appeared when I was using
> regular chain lube, not the motor oil.
>
> I have been toying with buying a Wipperman stainless chain but will
> wait until the current one gives up the ghost.
>
> Rust is an ever-present problem in snow, slush, and salt.  You learn
> to live with it.
>
> Steve
>
> On Jan 17, 12:16 am, AmiSingh  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I found a good amount of rust on my almost new chain today! Definitely
> > less than 100 miles on it.
>
> > The chain was degreased/stripped of lube, then waxed with an 80/20
> > blend of paraffin to bees wax and I've been riding a few miles (15
> > tops) 3 times a week in the bitter cold Midwest. Once I rode when the
> > streets were a slurry of melting snow, ice, salt and dirt/muck.
> > Otherwise, mostly dry roads or when there's been a fresh thick
> > powdering.
>
> > I did not expect rust, but maybe I should have...
>
> > So what do I do with my almost new rusty chain and should I worry
> > about my bottom bracket or any other parts of the frame or any of it's
> > components?
>
> > Note, I like to keep my bike clean, use simple green finished with
> > pedro's bike lust every 2 or 3 times I ride in these conditions.

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[RBW] Re: Rust on my chain!!!

2011-01-17 Thread Steve

My winter hybrid (with studded tires and used extensively on icy,
salty streets) gets synthetic motor oil on the chain.  I have found
that this works well
to keep slush off and minimize rust, although it does pick up grime.
At the end of the season, I clean it with my Park chain cleaner, lube
again with motor oil, and hang
up the bike for the summer.  The chain has surface rust but the pins
are free and it is flexible which is what counts.  Most of the rust
seems to have appeared when I was using
regular chain lube, not the motor oil.

I have been toying with buying a Wipperman stainless chain but will
wait until the current one gives up the ghost.

Rust is an ever-present problem in snow, slush, and salt.  You learn
to live with it.

Steve

On Jan 17, 12:16 am, AmiSingh  wrote:
> I found a good amount of rust on my almost new chain today! Definitely
> less than 100 miles on it.
>
> The chain was degreased/stripped of lube, then waxed with an 80/20
> blend of paraffin to bees wax and I've been riding a few miles (15
> tops) 3 times a week in the bitter cold Midwest. Once I rode when the
> streets were a slurry of melting snow, ice, salt and dirt/muck.
> Otherwise, mostly dry roads or when there's been a fresh thick
> powdering.
>
> I did not expect rust, but maybe I should have...
>
> So what do I do with my almost new rusty chain and should I worry
> about my bottom bracket or any other parts of the frame or any of it's
> components?
>
> Note, I like to keep my bike clean, use simple green finished with
> pedro's bike lust every 2 or 3 times I ride in these conditions.

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[RBW] New pictures of my Bombadil

2011-01-17 Thread williwoods

Hey Guys,

Here are some updated pics of my Bombadil after much tinkering,
experimenting and of course plenty of saddle time. Everything
functions wonderfully.

Swapped out the Bullmoose bars for these Sycip Singles Bar, found my
old Specialized branded Dirtdrop stem. This bar is so much more
versatile and comfortable than the Bullmoose bars I could never get my
hands comy on them, I figure it had to do with the fixed rear-upward
angle. As you can see I have these bars rear-downward which feels much
more natural. Decided I would run the thumbshifters under the bar so I
would have more hand positions, they function near perfect except when
I am trying to shift into the lowest gear in the rear its a little
awkward but im used to it now and doable just a little stretch to do
it. Of course now the rear shifter is now on the left and the front on
the right, my brain doesnt have a preference, im totally fine with it.
I then added the orange tape (yellow would have been better) and
shellacked and twined the whole thing together its about 4/5 coats of
shellac. Also twined the chainstay and shellacked that too.

Added the Suntour Superbe pedals and they are much better to me than
the MKS touring pedals I had.

Swapped the Quasi-Moto tires for the Fatty Rumpkins since im not
riding in the dirt and was planning on fenders which are the VO
Zeppelin model that are used but not too abused. The fenders had
several holes from the previous owner that I covered up with Foil
tape, I also used a small strip on the seatpost to remind me of my
usual saddle height.

You can also see that I now have one of the Nitto R cages and a
Electra Ticino cage, they look exactly the same.

My favorite mod was running the Bell on the exposed threads of the
Canti brake hanger. Its a little forward of where you traditionally
would run it but I can reach my finger easily to the striker which is
pointing up, the position keeps it out of the way which I like.

I also had to swap out the headset which was pitted out from being run
loose, the new headset is one of the really awesome Cane Creek 100
threaded units which are I think even nicer than a Chris King.

I was also running the VO 1st gen brakes but got tired of them cause
there was no toe-in adjustment and no spring adjustment. They stopped
great but squeeled like crazy and one side of the brke arm on the
front always ran too close to the rim. These Shimano brakes are pretty
fiddly but I really appreciate the adjustments and was able to get
them set-up perfectly.

And last but not least I bought a pair of the Paul brake levers cause
they are so sexy.

The only thing I need now is a front rack, then the build will be
complete. I still havent figured out which one I want. Kinda like the
VO porteur rack, but im not settled on that yet. Oh yeah then I need
bagsit never ends, ah the fun.

Other upgrades I would like to do: Paul brakes, Swap out the hubs for
White industries or I have some 8spd DuraAce hubs that I could respace
to 135mm. Maybe I should just get some rims and build a second set of
wheels...well see. I would finally like to get a set of the VO 50.4mm
172.5mm cranks in a 46/30 config.

http://tinyurl.com/49vzwzg


Any Thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: Rust on my chain!!!

2011-01-17 Thread Philip Williamson

I've started using synthetic motor oil on my chains.
I don't have rusty chains, but they are grimy to touch (which is a
drag, since I have two 'dingle' fixed gears). Plus you can use it for
rebuilding Chris King hubs instead of the $16 CK oil.

 Philip

 Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com


On Jan 16, 10:16 pm, AmiSingh  wrote:
> I found a good amount of rust on my almost new chain today! Definitely
> less than 100 miles on it.
>
> The chain was degreased/stripped of lube, then waxed with an 80/20
> blend of paraffin to bees wax and I've been riding a few miles (15
> tops) 3 times a week in the bitter cold Midwest. Once I rode when the
> streets were a slurry of melting snow, ice, salt and dirt/muck.
> Otherwise, mostly dry roads or when there's been a fresh thick
> powdering.
>
> I did not expect rust, but maybe I should have...
>
> So what do I do with my almost new rusty chain and should I worry
> about my bottom bracket or any other parts of the frame or any of it's
> components?
>
> Note, I like to keep my bike clean, use simple green finished with
> pedro's bike lust every 2 or 3 times I ride in these conditions.

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[RBW] help with primary dynamo light?

2011-01-17 Thread Philip Williamson

I managed to break my E6 primary light. One of the tabs broke off and
wedged down next to the spring and (possibly) shorted or cracked
something down there. It's really cut into my riding, since I've come
to rely on the lights, and my battery lights are pretty weak.

Frankly, I'd like to upgrade to an LED light, like the Cyo, but I just
bought a bunch of bulbs and a new lens for the E6, thinking that would
fix the problem. With that investment, it seems to make sense that I
replace the busted primary and continue with my setup.

Is it possible to hack a secondary E6 to be a primary?
Can I use an LED light as a primary with a halogen secondary light?
Does anyone have an E6 body they'd let go cheap?

Thanks,
 Philip

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[RBW] Cycling Scotsdale AZ?

2011-01-17 Thread Tim Whalen

Hi Folks,

I may be in Scottsdale for a few days and am wondering whether to bring my
Quickbeam or my Roadeo.   I am grateful for any thoughts on this and where
to ride.

Thanks,
Tim

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[RBW] An Attempt To Temper Winter Blahs

Now that we have entered the realm of discussing chain lubrication we  
must be in the dreariest days of winter.


Here's my small effort to try to leaven this.
Two pictures from this summer's Oregon Bike Ride:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364940246/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364326099/

And just to keep the wheel of karma in balance (now that I sorta know  
what panda is about)

here are a couple of scary ones:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364941906/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5364941040/in/photostream/

Please don't tell my mom about these.
-JimD




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[RBW] Re: Rust on my chain!!!

2011-01-17 Thread mr.trout

Simple green every few rides seems like overkill. A dry clean rag is
all you need for weekly maintenance. Just be sure to get the cogs and
chainrings well, the lube itself seems to do a good job of getting a
lot of the gunk out. If you're careful you can wrap the chainring with
a good toilet paper to help soak it all up. I use wet lube to get
through a salty Chicago winter and never have any real chain issues.

On Jan 17, 11:54 am, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 1/17/11 12:05 AM, cyclotourist at cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Wax does zero good when there's moisture out.  Stick with the dino-product
> until it dries up. 
>
> Yep.
>
> My general (California) rule:
> Wet conditions = wet lube
> Dry conditions = dry lube
>
> Also,  Sheldon mentions it too, but the tacky goop that is on the chain when
> in the box works well under a variety of nasty conditions.  If I replace a
> chain mid-August on a dusty trails destined bicycle, I might strip it, but
> otherwise, I'll leave that in place until it needs lubrication.
>
> Boeshield has been main winter additive (winter being the wet conditions
> period for my location.)
>
> - Jim
>
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[RBW] Brakes for sale

2011-01-17 Thread notesman

Folks, I'm clearing out parts from my stash that I don't see an
immediate need for and so am selling.
I'm putting them up here before going to e-bay.
All brakes are used but in excellent to mint condition.
Prices do not include shipping.
Shimano 600ex nutted. Excellent campy copy from the 80's $20
Shimano 105 Short Reach dual pivot brakes $30
Suntour Cyclone short reach brakes  $20
Trktro 556 long reach brakes with new pads.  $35
Please contact me off list if you're interested in any of these.
Steve

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[RBW] Re: widest tire on a Sam?

2011-01-17 Thread jsk

Hi Jim,

What size fenders are those and: did you have to do any bendy tricks
around the chain stays? Any idea of a "fatness" comparison between the
Delta Cruisers and the GB Hetres?

I'm trying to figure out if a 54/Saluki will take Hetres and fenders
and still have reasonable clearance for kicked up pebbles and the
like ...

thanks/jsk


On Jan 17, 9:40 am, jim phillips  wrote:
> Yes, I had Fat Franks on my Sam but when I decided to add fenders I had to go 
> with Delta Cruisers and the Fat boy was just too fat!
>
> best,
>
> JimP
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:34:35 -0800
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: widest tire on a Sam?
> > From: earlg...@gmail.com
> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > Andrew,
>
> > the Sam with fenders is not sporting Fat Franks, but Delta Cruisers,
> > which are skinnier (don't know how skinny). But the Fat Franks do fit
> > without fenders:
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/56694464@N02/5314463096/in/photostream/
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/56694464@N02/5314502412/in/photostream/
>
> > Gernot
>
> > On Jan 16, 2:08 pm, andrew hill  wrote:
> > > Thanks for info, Gernot!
>
> > > Really really tempted to order up some 29" x 2.0 Fat Franks and have a go 
> > > at it now :)
>
> > > Andrew
>
> > > On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:51 PM, Earl Grey wrote:
>
> > > > Here is a later side pull Sam with Fat Franks and aluminum fenders!
> > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/56694464@N02/5339491448/in/photostream/l...
> > > > (Search archives for "Pics of new Samuel Hillborne" for the
> > > > corresponding thread.)
>
> > > > I have an early 56cm Sam with 3 dot fork and recently tried putting on
> > > > 52mm VO aluminum fenders, and they fit fine, requiring just a tad of
> > > > squeezing at the chainstay bridge.
>
> > > > Since the 50mm Big Apples actually run 44.5mm (photo on rivbike.com),
> > > > and given the photo above, I would guess that the 50mm Fat Franks will
> > > > fit, but haven't tried it myself.
>
> > > > Gernot
>
> > > > On Jan 16, 6:08 am, andrew hill  wrote:
> > > >> hi folks,
>
> > > >> i have what i believe is an "early" Sam, e.g. orange with 3-dot fork.
> > > >> trying to figure out what the widest tire i can squeeze in there... 
> > > >> would love to go up from 40mm Mara Sups to a Fat Frank, but doubt a 2" 
> > > >> will actually fit..
>
> > > >> not concerned about fenders (i live in Los Angeles).
>
> > > >> anyone else have the same dot-forked Sam who has stuffed über-fats in 
> > > >> there?
>
> > > >> thanks,
> > > >> andrew
>
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[RBW] Re: Yoga; was [RBW ]

2011-01-17 Thread grrlyrida

I've never done Bikram's. I know they use a room heated to around 90
deg to make you sweat while doing a sequence of around 20 postures.
I've done other forms before settling with Ashtanga yoga. It's one of
the most challenging forms, but I have a tendency to be lazy so I
needed something to wake up my body.

1.Most of your upper body muscle tone comes for doing a sequence of
postures (asanas). Flowing from one to another like the sun salutation
(surya namaskara A). Where you start in mountain pose, standing up
straight, raise your arms, bend at the waist, drop down into a low
plank, move to upward dog, then downward dog. Moving from 1 asana to
the next uses a lot of upper body strength. This has helped me a lot
when I have to climb up steep hills while seated. I pull on the hoods.

2. Most people, including myself may gain a 1/2 inch or two. I typical
go from 5'2 1/2 to 5'3 after doing yoga for awhile. And you'll find
yourself sitting up straighter and walking straighter. I get
compliments on my posture sometimes.

3. Your tendons are stretched more plus it seems like my joint feel
lubricated. And your connective tissues get stretched and
strengthened, like they do in rolfing.

4. How yoga helps mentally is that you're suppose to focus on
tightening your core and muscles during the postures, plus focusing on
your breath. In ashthanga the breath goes with each posture. So while
you're focusing on your breath and tightening your core along with
your other muscles you don't have time to follow every thought that
goes on in your mind. That's where the lightness comes from after you
leave the class. Your mind gets a rest from all the negative thoughts
and lists it usually  follows. Also in ashthanga we practice eye
placement (dhristi) like when doing a forward seated bend your eyes
look at your toes. This keeps you focused and prevents you from
looking and comparing yourself to others.

Here's my one caveat. As a beginner I suggest going to a studio, like
Bikrams, as opposed to a gym. The gym's instructors are hit and miss.
Some just got certified last weekend in a 3 day course, while others
have extensive training in a studio. You can see the difference.

My advice is go to a studio tell the instructor what you hope to
accomplish and tell her what physical or emotional ailments you're
hoping to work on. She'll be more attentive to you with learning the
postures. Whatever you do, don't follow others in class and think you
should be at the same level. Don't judge yourself to others. Focus on
your own practice. You're right where you are suppose to be. :)

On Jan 17, 7:20 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Beth: I have been considering yoga as a supplement to cycling (that's the
> cycling content) and for much needed flexibility, posture and emotional
> benefits. I am copying the list in case others have informed opinions. I'd
> be grateful to learn how yoga helps with the following:
>
> 1. upper body muscle tone
> 2. posture (I have a very slight congenital "hump" or curvature)
> 3. flexibility (I can guess this one, though)
> 4. emotions
>
> Bikram's has opened a new westside studio and has an introductory $20 for
> the first month offer, so I think I'll try it, but weight training has also
> been suggested and since I hate "exercise" I know I won't do both.
>
> Please reply offlist (unless others are interested vis-a-vis cycling
> supplement) to
> bertin...@gmail.com.
>
> Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: widest tire on a Sam?

2011-01-17 Thread andrew hill

Jim,

did you use the 29 x 2.0 or the 29 x 2.35s?  

i've got cantis on my Sam, so i think it's a function of the frame, not brakes, 
and don't care about fenders (in Los Angeles).

best,
andrew

On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:40 AM, jim phillips wrote:

> Yes, I had Fat Franks on my Sam but when I decided to add fenders I had to go 
> with Delta Cruisers and the Fat boy was just too fat!
>  
> best,
>  
> JimP
>  
> > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:34:35 -0800
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: widest tire on a Sam?
> > From: earlg...@gmail.com
> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > 
> > Andrew,
> > 
> > the Sam with fenders is not sporting Fat Franks, but Delta Cruisers,
> > which are skinnier (don't know how skinny). But the Fat Franks do fit
> > without fenders:
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/56694464@N02/5314463096/in/photostream/
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/56694464@N02/5314502412/in/photostream/
> > 
> > Gernot
> > 
> > 
> > On Jan 16, 2:08 pm, andrew hill  wrote:
> > > Thanks for info, Gernot!
> > >
> > > Really really tempted to order up some 29" x 2.0 Fat Franks and have a go 
> > > at it now :)
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > > On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:51 PM, Earl Grey wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Here is a later side pull Sam with Fat Franks and aluminum fenders!
> > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/56694464@N02/5339491448/in/photostream/l...
> > > > (Search archives for "Pics of new Samuel Hillborne" for the
> > > > corresponding thread.)
> > >
> > > > I have an early 56cm Sam with 3 dot fork and recently tried putting on
> > > > 52mm VO aluminum fenders, and they fit fine, requiring just a tad of
> > > > squeezing at the chainstay bridge.
> > >
> > > > Since the 50mm Big Apples actually run 44.5mm (photo on rivbike.com),
> > > > and given the photo above, I would guess that the 50mm Fat Franks will
> > > > fit, but haven't tried it myself.
> > >
> > > > Gernot
> > >
> > > > On Jan 16, 6:08 am, andrew hill  wrote:
> > > >> hi folks,
> > >
> > > >> i have what i believe is an "early" Sam, e.g. orange with 3-dot fork.
> > > >> trying to figure out what the widest tire i can squeeze in there... 
> > > >> would love to go up from 40mm Mara Sups to a Fat Frank, but doubt a 2" 
> > > >> will actually fit..
> > >
> > > >> not concerned about fenders (i live in Los Angeles).
> > >
> > > >> anyone else have the same dot-forked Sam who has stuffed über-fats in 
> > > >> there?
> > >
> > > >> thanks,
> > > >> andrew
> > >
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[RBW] Re: cycling panda.

2011-01-17 Thread William

Manny

I did my first Populaire yesterday, and started a set.  I'll try to do
a populaire panda or a brevet panda for every event.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5363865167/

Bubba

On Jan 17, 9:16 am, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
> I have a brooks bag that I currently use on my Bombadil as a saddle
> bag, but my last coupe of tours it's been my handlebar bag as it had
> the perfect angle to drop below the bars and allow a light.  Here is a
> photo..
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/5363722811/
>
> Kelly
>
> Way Rebb wrote:
> > Great photo set.  You talked me into it too, I'm trying a basket.
>
> > I am on my 4th front bag (a little loafer this time) and although they
> > are all excellent well made bags they all come with their own
> > problems: can't mount lights to handle bar, can't use pockets due to
> > shifter cables, hands tangled in cords attached to brakes etc.  Maybe
> > the little loafer (my favorite) inside a basket, that might work.
>
> > -Ray
>
> > On Jan 15, 11:00 pm, manueljohnacosta 
> > wrote:
> > > 2 years. Same picture. Different story every time.
>
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157625833740246/

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne - RBW Visit

2011-01-17 Thread Pondero

The simple, clean look is quite elegant.  The color is classy.

I'm interested in a comparison with your Ebisu.  Could you provide
comments of your observations of similarities and differences?

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[RBW] Tandem mods

2011-01-17 Thread William

Last week's speculation about a Riv-tandem someday got me to take
another pass at tweaking my tandem to dial things in a little better.
Last year I put the chubbiest tires that would fit (700x37 Pasela
TGs).  This pass I'm doing a little work on the captain cockpit.  I
had used Ultegra brifters and a Flight deck computer in order to tell
me which cog and chainring I was in.  That works fine, but the braking
setup was pretty poor with the brifters was disappointing.  I used two
different travel agent type things with my XT V-brakes, and it just
wasn't cutting it.  So, I'm switching it out to proper V-Brake
brakelevers and 9-speed indexed barcons.  I'll start up a flickr set
showing the progress.

Now, a long-shot small-part plea:  When you set up Ultegra 9-speed
brifters for a Flight Deck computer, you remove a little plastic cover
on the brakelever body to reveal the flex circuit that the computer
talks to to detect the shifter position.  I want to sell these
brifters, and I'd like to return them to the original configuration.
Do any of you have those plastic covers that you don't need?  Mine
appear to have gotten mad and walked off in my parts boxes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rust on my chain!!!

2011-01-17 Thread CycloFiend

on 1/17/11 12:05 AM, cyclotourist at cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

Wax does zero good when there's moisture out.  Stick with the dino-product
until it dries up. 

Yep.

My general (California) rule:
Wet conditions = wet lube
Dry conditions = dry lube

Also,  Sheldon mentions it too, but the tacky goop that is on the chain when
in the box works well under a variety of nasty conditions.  If I replace a
chain mid-August on a dusty trails destined bicycle, I might strip it, but
otherwise, I'll leave that in place until it needs lubrication.

Boeshield has been main winter additive (winter being the wet conditions
period for my location.)


- Jim

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[RBW] Re: cycling panda.

I have a brooks bag that I currently use on my Bombadil as a saddle
bag, but my last coupe of tours it's been my handlebar bag as it had
the perfect angle to drop below the bars and allow a light.  Here is a
photo..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/5363722811/

Kelly

Way Rebb wrote:
> Great photo set.  You talked me into it too, I'm trying a basket.
>
> I am on my 4th front bag (a little loafer this time) and although they
> are all excellent well made bags they all come with their own
> problems: can't mount lights to handle bar, can't use pockets due to
> shifter cables, hands tangled in cords attached to brakes etc.  Maybe
> the little loafer (my favorite) inside a basket, that might work.
>
> -Ray
>
> On Jan 15, 11:00 pm, manueljohnacosta 
> wrote:
> > 2 years. Same picture. Different story every time.
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157625833740246/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle forhauling your bike?

I love it... we need a group on Flickr for bike travel.. here are some
photos I had..
The Mini, and the rear racks aren't me the rest are my vehicals.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157625836620518/

PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>
> >
> > I also have mountain bikes and do get muddy which sucks putting in the car.
>
> You need the special "bike porteur" version for dirty bikes.

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[RBW] Re: Rust on my chain!!!

I generally use T9.  I use it to clean and lube the chain and have been 
riding here in St Louis in the snow, rain and sleet.  Just a tad less 
depressing than the Chicago area.  
The spray can makes application easy and the duel purpose clean and lube at 
the same time is nice.
 
When I tour I go to a thick wet lube that turns everything black.. but makes 
everything silent and smooth.  
 
No rust problems.. not saying my way is best.. just what i do.
 
Kelly

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[RBW] Re: Rust on my chain!!!

2011-01-17 Thread Benedikt

According to the late Sheldon Brown that original grease that your
chain is packed in is the best stuff and you should not degrease it.
I never degrease a new chain anymore and that stuff DOES last the
longest.  Once the chain starts squeaking I apply a little lube.
Right now I'm using Bio Green.  It's plant based and biodegradable.
It's winter and Seattle and my chain gets wet at least 3 times a
week.  I never dry it after riding and it never rusts.

On Jan 16, 10:16 pm, AmiSingh  wrote:
> I found a good amount of rust on my almost new chain today! Definitely
> less than 100 miles on it.
>
> The chain was degreased/stripped of lube, then waxed with an 80/20
> blend of paraffin to bees wax and I've been riding a few miles (15
> tops) 3 times a week in the bitter cold Midwest. Once I rode when the
> streets were a slurry of melting snow, ice, salt and dirt/muck.
> Otherwise, mostly dry roads or when there's been a fresh thick
> powdering.
>
> I did not expect rust, but maybe I should have...
>
> So what do I do with my almost new rusty chain and should I worry
> about my bottom bracket or any other parts of the frame or any of it's
> components?
>
> Note, I like to keep my bike clean, use simple green finished with
> pedro's bike lust every 2 or 3 times I ride in these conditions.

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[RBW] Re: Rust on my chain!!!

2011-01-17 Thread Garth


I can understand you wanting to use a non dino based lube.
Paraffin never worked for me.

Last summer I started using Squirt Lube. It's a water based wax type
lube. I was pretty skeptical of it, but had to try it out. Ha! ...
it's been great. I get between 80-130 miles out of one application,
depending on the weather. I live in Ohio, and I find I need to apply
more often in winter. The great things are: 1. It attracts no dirt.
Even on the dirty midwest winter roads! 2. It's self cleaning.. I mean
truly self cleaning! You don't use more lube to clean it.. it slowly
flakes off as you ride. 3. No more degreasing.. obviously... except to
clean a new chain of course. Here's a good thread on using Squirt.
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=508171
-cheers

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[RBW] Re: Rust on my chain!!!

2011-01-17 Thread Garth

I can understand you wanting to use a non dino based lube.
Paraffin never worked for me.

Last summer I started using Squirt Lube. It's a water based wax type
lube. I was pretty skeptical of it, but had to try it out. Ha! ...
it's been great. I get between 80-130 miles out of one application,
depending on the weather. I live in Ohio, and I find I need to apply
more often in winter. The great things are: 1. It attracts no dirt.
Even on the dirty midwest winter roads! 2. It's self cleaning.. I mean
truly self cleaning! You don't use more lube to clean it.. it slowly
flakes off as you ride. 3. No more degreasing.. obviously... except to
clean a new chain of course. Here's a good thread on using Squirt.
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=508171
-cheers

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rust on my chain!!!

2011-01-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE

I'm slowly discovering that the deliberately neglected chain on the
Motobecane grocery bike (no maintenance except to add lube three or
four times a year and wipe off excess) is lasting as long as the
carefully waxed chains on my two Rivs. But I don't get chainring
tattoos or dirty fingers from the Rivs.

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Montclair BobbyB
 wrote:
> I believe chain lubes tend to follow a similar usage pattern much like
> people messing with their golf game... there's always something out
> there that's the next best thing, that's gonna make your game (or
> chain) work better... My 80-year old dad has been buying golf-tip
> books, tapes and gadgets for most of his adult life, each time
> convinced he had unlocked the "secret" to improving his putting, his
> chipping, his driving... Then one day recently he bought a cheap used
> driver at a local thrift store (he couldn't explain why, he already
> has a beautiful set of woods), and almost magically he went out and
> shot the best round of golf in his life (true story).
>
> I recall convincing myself (for years) that dipping my chain in hot
> wax was the only way to go... I finally tired of this method when I
> realized I had to do it so often... Since then I've wandered from lube
> to lube over the years, through the variety of so-called dry lubes to
> ice wax (yuck!) to finally get this... compressor oil... Don't ask
> me why, but I find this stuff to be the most reliable (and cheapest).
> Really I'm convinced any petroleum-based lube will work just fine, as
> long as you apply it correctly, do it often, and clean the chain when
> it's mucked up...
>
> So if there's anything I learned from my dad (and my endless quest to
> find the ultimate chain lube), it's this:
>
> Stop worrying about it, and use what you've got on your garage
> shelf... It's worked for centuries.  Amen.
>
> BB
>
>
> On Jan 17, 3:05 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
>> Wax does zero good when there's moisture out.  Stick with the dino-product
>> until it dries up.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:31 PM, rob markwardt wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > I'd say that ride in the slush did it.  I ride in really wet
>> > conditions (yesterday, the day before, etc, etc, etc.) If I get home
>> > from a ride and park the bike in the garage without wiping it
>> > down...always!... the chain will be a little rusty in a day or two.
>> > I'd lube it up good and forget about it.
>>
>> > On Jan 16, 10:16 pm, AmiSingh  wrote:
>> > > I found a good amount of rust on my almost new chain today! Definitely
>> > > less than 100 miles on it.
>>
>> > > The chain was degreased/stripped of lube, then waxed with an 80/20
>> > > blend of paraffin to bees wax and I've been riding a few miles (15
>> > > tops) 3 times a week in the bitter cold Midwest. Once I rode when the
>> > > streets were a slurry of melting snow, ice, salt and dirt/muck.
>> > > Otherwise, mostly dry roads or when there's been a fresh thick
>> > > powdering.
>>
>> > > I did not expect rust, but maybe I should have...
>>
>> > > So what do I do with my almost new rusty chain and should I worry
>> > > about my bottom bracket or any other parts of the frame or any of it's
>> > > components?
>>
>> > > Note, I like to keep my bike clean, use simple green finished with
>> > > pedro's bike lust every 2 or 3 times I ride in these conditions.
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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne - RBW Visit

2011-01-17 Thread Jim

Your bike looks really nice. congrats!   Jim D. in snowy
Massachusetts.

On Jan 15, 11:11 pm, A D  wrote:
> Snapped a couple of pics on a trip to RBW today.  The 40 mile round
> trip is a great weekend ride on the SimpleOne.  The next time out I'll
> try the ride fixed.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/livepake/5358492435/in/set-7215762570745...
>
> The only problem that I have with the SO is so much fun that my new
> Ebisu is being neglected.
>
> I picked up a Nitto front rack and Viyella Shirt with the RBW credit &
> a Christmas gift certificate.  My wife says the shirt makes me look 10
> lbs. lighter.  It is a great fitting & looking shirt and may pick up a
> couple more when they're back in stock.
>
> Here's the SO's breakdown:
>
> 58cm Prototype
> Phil Wood Rims
> Velocity Synergy
> Jack Brown Blues
> Brooks B17
> Prototype Nitto Handlebar (I'm not sure which Model)
> Shimano Brake Levers
> 16/19 White Industries Freewheel
> 17/19 Surly Dingle Cog Fixed
> Sugino Crank 44T/48T
> Shimano Seatpost
> Shimano Canti's
> Kool-Stop Brake Pads
>
> Thanks to everyone on this list for all of the great advice!

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[RBW] Re: Rust on my chain!!!

2011-01-17 Thread Montclair BobbyB

I believe chain lubes tend to follow a similar usage pattern much like
people messing with their golf game... there's always something out
there that's the next best thing, that's gonna make your game (or
chain) work better... My 80-year old dad has been buying golf-tip
books, tapes and gadgets for most of his adult life, each time
convinced he had unlocked the "secret" to improving his putting, his
chipping, his driving... Then one day recently he bought a cheap used
driver at a local thrift store (he couldn't explain why, he already
has a beautiful set of woods), and almost magically he went out and
shot the best round of golf in his life (true story).

I recall convincing myself (for years) that dipping my chain in hot
wax was the only way to go... I finally tired of this method when I
realized I had to do it so often... Since then I've wandered from lube
to lube over the years, through the variety of so-called dry lubes to
ice wax (yuck!) to finally get this... compressor oil... Don't ask
me why, but I find this stuff to be the most reliable (and cheapest).
Really I'm convinced any petroleum-based lube will work just fine, as
long as you apply it correctly, do it often, and clean the chain when
it's mucked up...

So if there's anything I learned from my dad (and my endless quest to
find the ultimate chain lube), it's this:

Stop worrying about it, and use what you've got on your garage
shelf... It's worked for centuries.  Amen.

BB

On Jan 17, 3:05 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Wax does zero good when there's moisture out.  Stick with the dino-product
> until it dries up.
>
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:31 PM, rob markwardt wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I'd say that ride in the slush did it.  I ride in really wet
> > conditions (yesterday, the day before, etc, etc, etc.) If I get home
> > from a ride and park the bike in the garage without wiping it
> > down...always!... the chain will be a little rusty in a day or two.
> > I'd lube it up good and forget about it.
>
> > On Jan 16, 10:16 pm, AmiSingh  wrote:
> > > I found a good amount of rust on my almost new chain today! Definitely
> > > less than 100 miles on it.
>
> > > The chain was degreased/stripped of lube, then waxed with an 80/20
> > > blend of paraffin to bees wax and I've been riding a few miles (15
> > > tops) 3 times a week in the bitter cold Midwest. Once I rode when the
> > > streets were a slurry of melting snow, ice, salt and dirt/muck.
> > > Otherwise, mostly dry roads or when there's been a fresh thick
> > > powdering.
>
> > > I did not expect rust, but maybe I should have...
>
> > > So what do I do with my almost new rusty chain and should I worry
> > > about my bottom bracket or any other parts of the frame or any of it's
> > > components?
>
> > > Note, I like to keep my bike clean, use simple green finished with
> > > pedro's bike lust every 2 or 3 times I ride in these conditions.
>
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[RBW] Yoga; was [RBW ]

2011-01-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE

Beth: I have been considering yoga as a supplement to cycling (that's the
cycling content) and for much needed flexibility, posture and emotional
benefits. I am copying the list in case others have informed opinions. I'd
be grateful to learn how yoga helps with the following:

1. upper body muscle tone
2. posture (I have a very slight congenital "hump" or curvature)
3. flexibility (I can guess this one, though)
4. emotions

Bikram's has opened a new westside studio and has an introductory $20 for
the first month offer, so I think I'll try it, but weight training has also
been suggested and since I hate "exercise" I know I won't do both.

Please reply offlist (unless others are interested vis-a-vis cycling
supplement) to
bertin...@gmail.com.

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] A Beautiful Day

2011-01-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE

Pretty photos; they remind me of the last street I lived on in la
ville de Quebec circa 1981-3, Rue Ste. Anne, the last or one of the
last cobblestone streets in the city. Not as narrow as your alley, and
I didn't have a nice bike, either.

(Just took a Street View look and la rue has been asphalted and the
apts turned into condos!)

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:47 PM, JimP  wrote:
>  Sam Hillborne aka Crazy Horse and I headed out to ride around the
> city. It was a beautiful day, 61 degrees and a clear sky. I rode
> around on back streets some of which were quite narrow, none smaller
> than Stoll's Alley. I had a very nice time and took a few pics FYI.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/56694464@N02/
>
> best,
>
> JimP
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar garage sale & brake levers and a free toner cartridge

2011-01-17 Thread Anne

Toner cartridge has been claimed.


On Jan 16, 5:42 pm, Anne  wrote:
> One more bunch of bars here.
> Listed price plus postage.
> Cinelli Diet Eubios (black) 26.4 x 40 c-c $5 (has bar tape adhesive
> residue)
> Salsa Pro Road 26.0 x 40 c-c $10 (clean)
> Salsa Poco 26.0 x 38 c-c $10 (clean)
> Scott Rakes, silver, 26.0 $7 (clean)
>
> Very clean Shimano BL-6401 brake levers: $25 plus postage
>
> Hewlett Packard Toner Cartridge: HP 12A
> Bought it for printer, it wasn't the toner cart that was the issue.
> If you have a printer that can use it ... yours free apart from
> helping with postage.

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[RBW] Re: A Beautiful Day

2011-01-17 Thread EricP

Agree, great looking bike.

Hmm, may have to go upright again on one of mine.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jan 17, 8:19 am, Mike Irwin  wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I totally dig your setup. That is one good looking Hillborne.
>
> Mike
>
> On Jan 16, 7:47 pm, JimP  wrote:
>
>
>
> >  Sam Hillborne aka Crazy Horse and I headed out to ride around the
> > city. It was a beautiful day, 61 degrees and a clear sky. I rode
> > around on back streets some of which were quite narrow, none smaller
> > than Stoll's Alley. I had a very nice time and took a few pics FYI.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/56694464@N02/
>
> > best,
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: widest tire on a Sam?


Yes, I had Fat Franks on my Sam but when I decided to add fenders I had to go 
with Delta Cruisers and the Fat boy was just too fat!
 
best,
 
JimP
 
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:34:35 -0800
> Subject: [RBW] Re: widest tire on a Sam?
> From: earlg...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
> Andrew,
> 
> the Sam with fenders is not sporting Fat Franks, but Delta Cruisers,
> which are skinnier (don't know how skinny). But the Fat Franks do fit
> without fenders:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/56694464@N02/5314463096/in/photostream/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/56694464@N02/5314502412/in/photostream/
> 
> Gernot
> 
> 
> On Jan 16, 2:08 pm, andrew hill  wrote:
> > Thanks for info, Gernot!
> >
> > Really really tempted to order up some 29" x 2.0 Fat Franks and have a go 
> > at it now :)
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:51 PM, Earl Grey wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Here is a later side pull Sam with Fat Franks and aluminum fenders!
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/56694464@N02/5339491448/in/photostream/l...
> > > (Search archives for "Pics of new Samuel Hillborne" for the
> > > corresponding thread.)
> >
> > > I have an early 56cm Sam with 3 dot fork and recently tried putting on
> > > 52mm VO aluminum fenders, and they fit fine, requiring just a tad of
> > > squeezing at the chainstay bridge.
> >
> > > Since the 50mm Big Apples actually run 44.5mm (photo on rivbike.com),
> > > and given the photo above, I would guess that the 50mm Fat Franks will
> > > fit, but haven't tried it myself.
> >
> > > Gernot
> >
> > > On Jan 16, 6:08 am, andrew hill  wrote:
> > >> hi folks,
> >
> > >> i have what i believe is an "early" Sam, e.g. orange with 3-dot fork.
> > >> trying to figure out what the widest tire i can squeeze in there... 
> > >> would love to go up from 40mm Mara Sups to a Fat Frank, but doubt a 2" 
> > >> will actually fit..
> >
> > >> not concerned about fenders (i live in Los Angeles).
> >
> > >> anyone else have the same dot-forked Sam who has stuffed über-fats in 
> > >> there?
> >
> > >> thanks,
> > >> andrew
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Re: [RBW] And now ... Video

2011-01-17 Thread Eric Norris

We turned lights on at the top and descended into the gloom.  Wet road surface 
and darkness made for a slow trip down.

--Eric N

On Jan 16, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:

> You went up Tunitas and down Kings in the dark? Wow.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:
>> From yesterday's steel/leather/wool/friction-shifting ride on the CA coast:
>> http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/
>> 
>> --Eric
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[RBW] Re: A Beautiful Day

2011-01-17 Thread Mike Irwin

Jim,

I totally dig your setup. That is one good looking Hillborne.

Mike

On Jan 16, 7:47 pm, JimP  wrote:
>  Sam Hillborne aka Crazy Horse and I headed out to ride around the
> city. It was a beautiful day, 61 degrees and a clear sky. I rode
> around on back streets some of which were quite narrow, none smaller
> than Stoll's Alley. I had a very nice time and took a few pics FYI.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/56694464@N02/
>
> best,
>
> JimP

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RE: [RBW] Today's Ride