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[Will Horton]

http://getraenke-heller.com/safealliance.html

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[RBW] Future Rivs

[Joe Bernard]

While we're on the subject of guessing what the new Rivendell is, I'd
like to offer up my own "gosh, I wish they would do this" bike.

I'd like a 26-inch-wheel City Bike with an IGH, dynohub, and drum
brakes. Preferably butterscotch color.

Joe "I like dreamin" Bernard
Fairfield, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Bottom bracket size ?

[brian tester]

113mm is what I wound up with on my Hunq. I'm also using a Sugino XD
double up front and an 8-spd cassette, btw. I think Riv recommends
113mm BBs for Sugino cranks, at least, on the Hunqapillar.

-Brian

On Jun 20, 1:34 pm, Ginz  wrote:
> Well...interesting choice of hub.  I have the same hub on my bike.
> However, mine is an older model from the early 90's.  I believe I
> measured the chainline at 42.5mm.  Your's may be a bit different,
> though it is most likley 45mm. If you use the Sugino with a 110mm,
> that ought to give you a 45mm chainline in front, as well. Even if
> your hub and freewheel yield 42.5, it is close enough.  With a 9speed
> or 8speed cassette, you start to get further away because those are
> generally a 47.5mm chainline.  However, if you are using friction
> shifting (and I hope you are!!), especially in the front, it should
> all work fine.  The biggest concern is the chain rubbing the front
> derailluer in a indexed setup.  If your chainline isn't perfect, you
> may end up with that annoying rub in certain gear combos.
>
> As far as chainstay clearence, I doubt that you'll have any issues
> with the 110mm but you may want to email Riv to be certain.  My Hunq'a
> frame is still in the box at the moment so I'm not sure either. :)
>
> Ginz
>
> On Jun 20, 11:54 am, Garth  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Ginz,  I currently am using 135mm Phil 7sp FW hubs with multiple
> > sets of wheels.  I may go to a 9sp. cassette one day, but I don't see
> > what difference that would make regarding the BB length. If you have
> > further thoughts on this, please do share!   I'd use the same 110mm
> > Tange for the Bombadil if I ever did get some 9 speed hubs. I'm
> > considering a Hunqapillar or a Sam frame frame currently. I know the
> > Sam can use the 110 also, and it would be great if the Hunq could use
> > it also so I'd only need to stock a 110mm BB size for all my bikes.  I
> > always considered BB length a chainring clearance of the chainstay
> > issue, not a hub issue.
>
> > On my early production Bombadil I have a 45-46mm chainline with the
> > 24/36/48 XD and 110mm Tange cartridge BB, clearance for the rings is
> > just right. I was told by Riv on the later Bombadils, they required a
> > 115mm BB. I was hoping the Hunqapillars would take a 110mm and not a
> > 115mm like the later Bombadils, hence my question.

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Re: [RBW] New A. Homer Hilsen Owner

[Rex Kerr]

I'm jealous... last update that I got was that my frame should arrive
tomorrow, but I won't have time to drive down to WC to pick it up until this
weekend!  Then another week to get around to hanging all of the parts before
I can ride it!

How do you like the front wheel so far?  I haven't chosen my wheels yet and
I'm debating whether to buy a dynohub or not.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Fuz  wrote:

> Pics here:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ediblestarfish/sets/72157626971753428/
>
> I'm a local to RBW (live in the same city), just dropped in one day on
> a Saturday, two months later, here it is.  :D
>
> Too bad it's so hot now, I barely want to ride in the daytime.  :(
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[RBW] Re: The bike collection (or hoard?)

[benzzoy]

On Jun 20, 4:35 am, Esteban  wrote:
> Here's Grant's quote from Riv Reader #42:
> "seven is good. a beater, a bomber, a single-speed, a tour- ing bike,
> a lightish road bike, a do-all racked and bagged bike, a mixte, a
> loaner, and a work in progress. seven? Make it nine."

Well, I can't do beater because I'm OCD and beaters to me means rusty
frames and mismatched parts.  No, no, no.  That won't do.

I can't do single-speeds either because I live in the SF bay area and
everywhere I go, there are mountains.  In my younger (read: fitter)
days, I may be persuaded, but I'll leave the single-speeds to the
younglings.

All except one of my bikes (and I have a baker's dozen) are loaners.
But I'll have to know you well to loan you any of my bikes and of
course with my OCD, you'll also need to more or less fit.  The sole
exception to loanership is my Ciocc, which holds tremendous
sentimental value and is therefore never for sale and not to be loaned
out either.

I'll like to get a Mixte one day though.  I once rode a way-too-big
Chinese mixte work bike in my youth and have fond memories of wading
through semi-flooded areas (with my younger sister on the rear rack)
with such that beast.  Oh such carefree adventures!

Finally, I think Grant should consider adding a tenth - Folding bike.
Like Esteban, I have a Brompton that is perhaps my go-to bike for
anything less than 4 or 5 miles.  That thing is so convenient.  I've
ridden it to fancy restaurants in San Francisco (folded and coat-
checked it), and grocery/department stores (folded and stuck it
underneath the trolley).  It's been on public transport (buses and
trains) and fits conveniently in my wife's car's trunk when she picks
me up to go somewhere else.  Essentially, it's a bike that's accepted
almost everywhere and that doesn't need a lock.

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[RBW] Re: HS

[Montclair BobbyB]

Hopefully they'll be first sent to Nitto for "resurfacing"...

On Jun 20, 11:48 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
> It's plausible.  22 or 24T chainring with 1:1 or 1.6:1 ratio.  So you
> get a granny in 1:1 and the equivalent of a 35 or 38T ring in the
> overdrive.  But IMHO the grey or black or whatever doesn't really look
> like it belongs on a Riv.  Maybe it looks better in person than in the
> photo?
>
> dougP
>
> On Jun 20, 5:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for
> > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed
> > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in
> > transmission (in the crank).  It obviates the need for a front
> > derailleur.  The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND
> > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will.
>
> > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent
>
> > Peace,
> > BB
>
> > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger  wrote:
>
> > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or just
> > > the hub?"
>
> > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be
> > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon
> > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it was
> > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon.
>
> > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal
> > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup
> > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single
> > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for
> > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the
> > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of
> > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter
> > > best of all for this concept.
>
> > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg  wrote:
>
> > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger  wrote:
> > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the
> > > > > Rohloff.  I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very
> > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra
> > > > > throw required by the Rohloff!  I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in
> > > > > a split second."
>
> > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter.
>
> > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or just
> > > > the hub?  The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for
> > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at
> > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough)
> > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.)
>
> > > > -Ken- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: HS

[doug peterson]

It's plausible.  22 or 24T chainring with 1:1 or 1.6:1 ratio.  So you
get a granny in 1:1 and the equivalent of a 35 or 38T ring in the
overdrive.  But IMHO the grey or black or whatever doesn't really look
like it belongs on a Riv.  Maybe it looks better in person than in the
photo?

dougP

On Jun 20, 5:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
wrote:
> OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for
> giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed
> crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in
> transmission (in the crank).  It obviates the need for a front
> derailleur.  The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND
> rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will.
>
> OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent
>
> Peace,
> BB
>
> On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger  wrote:
>
>
>
> > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or just
> > the hub?"
>
> > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be
> > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon
> > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it was
> > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon.
>
> > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal
> > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup
> > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single
> > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for
> > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the
> > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of
> > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter
> > best of all for this concept.
>
> > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg  wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger  wrote:
> > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the
> > > > Rohloff.  I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very
> > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra
> > > > throw required by the Rohloff!  I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in
> > > > a split second."
>
> > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter.
>
> > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or just
> > > the hub?  The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for
> > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at
> > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough)
> > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.)
>
> > > -Ken- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: HS

[William]

and now SEVEN of them are sold.  I'm pleasantly surprised.  I'm
waiting for a lister to speak up and say that they've put their money
down.

On Jun 20, 7:09 pm, "Bill Gibson (III)" 
wrote:
> Retro-direct, anyone?
>
> My guess is that he means it when the HS will be a more "elegant", maybe a
> more "integrated" design. It may be less of a bike meant to be widely
> adaptable to different configurations, as many Rivendell designs are. But it
> won't be a single-purpose bike at all.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 6:34 PM, charlie  wrote:
> > Yea that looks pretty cooloff road looking which seems to be
> > where the Riv folks ride quite a bit.
>
> > On Jun 20, 5:29 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
> > wrote:
> > > Read more about it here...
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4
>
> > > Could this be it???  If so, that's some pretty funky stuff...
>
> > > On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for
> > > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed
> > > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in
> > > > transmission (in the crank).  It obviates the need for a front
> > > > derailleur.  The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND
> > > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will.
>
> > > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent
>
> > > > Peace,
> > > > BB
>
> > > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger  wrote:
>
> > > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or
> > just
> > > > > the hub?"
>
> > > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be
> > > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon
> > > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it
> > was
> > > > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon.
>
> > > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal
> > > > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup
> > > > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single
> > > > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for
> > > > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the
> > > > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of
> > > > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter
> > > > > best of all for this concept.
>
> > > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg  wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the
> > > > > > > Rohloff.  I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very,
> > very
> > > > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra
> > > > > > > throw required by the Rohloff!  I'd ditch that damned twist
> > shifter in
> > > > > > > a split second."
>
> > > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist
> > shifter.
>
> > > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or
> > just
> > > > > > the hub?  The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar
> > for
> > > > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled
> > at
> > > > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough)
> > > > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.)
>
> > > > > > -Ken
>
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[RBW] Re: FS 60 Rambouillet

[brian feltovich]

Sold.

Thanks,

Brian

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Re: [RBW] Re: HS

[Bill Gibson (III)]

Retro-direct, anyone?

My guess is that he means it when the HS will be a more "elegant", maybe a
more "integrated" design. It may be less of a bike meant to be widely
adaptable to different configurations, as many Rivendell designs are. But it
won't be a single-purpose bike at all.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 6:34 PM, charlie  wrote:

> Yea that looks pretty cooloff road looking which seems to be
> where the Riv folks ride quite a bit.
>
> On Jun 20, 5:29 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
> wrote:
> > Read more about it here...
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4
> >
> > Could this be it???  If so, that's some pretty funky stuff...
> >
> > On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for
> > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed
> > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in
> > > transmission (in the crank).  It obviates the need for a front
> > > derailleur.  The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND
> > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will.
> >
> > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent
> >
> > > Peace,
> > > BB
> >
> > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger  wrote:
> >
> > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or
> just
> > > > the hub?"
> >
> > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be
> > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon
> > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it
> was
> > > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon.
> >
> > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal
> > > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup
> > > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single
> > > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for
> > > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the
> > > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of
> > > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter
> > > > best of all for this concept.
> >
> > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg  wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger 
> wrote:
> > > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the
> > > > > > Rohloff.  I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very,
> very
> > > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra
> > > > > > throw required by the Rohloff!  I'd ditch that damned twist
> shifter in
> > > > > > a split second."
> >
> > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist
> shifter.
> >
> > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or
> just
> > > > > the hub?  The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar
> for
> > > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled
> at
> > > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough)
> > > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.)
> >
> > > > > -Ken
>
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[RBW] Re: HS

[charlie]

Yea that looks pretty cooloff road looking which seems to be
where the Riv folks ride quite a bit.

On Jun 20, 5:29 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
wrote:
> Read more about it here...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4
>
> Could this be it???  If so, that's some pretty funky stuff...
>
> On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for
> > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed
> > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in
> > transmission (in the crank).  It obviates the need for a front
> > derailleur.  The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND
> > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will.
>
> > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent
>
> > Peace,
> > BB
>
> > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger  wrote:
>
> > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or just
> > > the hub?"
>
> > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be
> > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon
> > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it was
> > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon.
>
> > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal
> > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup
> > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single
> > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for
> > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the
> > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of
> > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter
> > > best of all for this concept.
>
> > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg  wrote:
>
> > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger  wrote:
> > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the
> > > > > Rohloff.  I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very
> > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra
> > > > > throw required by the Rohloff!  I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in
> > > > > a split second."
>
> > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter.
>
> > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or just
> > > > the hub?  The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for
> > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at
> > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough)
> > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.)
>
> > > > -Ken

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[RBW] Re: Google Group Web Pokiness

[Jim Cloud]

Jim,
Thanks for your "heads up".  I've definitely noticed that loading the
RBW Google group takes a while.  I just timed it on my computer and it
took a full minute to load.  Not the end of the world, I just open
another tab until the Google Groups loads up.  I do wonder what's
causing the pokiness..(?)

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Jun 20, 10:52 am, CycloFiend  wrote:
> Hey all -
>
> A couple people emailed me over the weekend, and I just wanted to pass along
> that there have been some access issues reported.
>
> Just a heads up that for some reason, the web version of the RBW Owners
> Group has been loading up very, very slowly (or not at all) for no apparent
> reason for the past couple of days.
>
> I'm checking into it, but don't have a clear explanation as of yet. (Ghost
> in the Machine is idea #1 right now...)  Google may have monkeyed with some
> things behind the scenes and it's just rippling through the interwebs.
>
> If you just access the group via email (web or pop3) you probably didn't
> notice a difference.  It only has been happening if you go to the Groups
> page and then find it takes a while to load.
>
> Remember, pokey internet response is a good excuse to ride.
>
> - Jim / list admin
>
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[RBW] Re: Vermont Rides/Camping

[Montclair BobbyB]

Cool stuff!!!

My brother lives on Grand Isle (Lake Champlain)...  I'm headed up for
a family get-together for the 4th of July with my Bombadil and a
custom Fargo that I just built for him.  He's got a beautiful house
high above the lake overlooking the water, but I plan to camp under
the stars on his back lawn.  He lives next to Grand Isle State Park,
which I camped at many years ago during a bike trip around Lake
Champlain... nice campground.  We plan to circumscribe the island
(about 30 miles)... I'm really looking forward to it.  Grand Isle is a
nice ride.  There is the bike/rail trail that runs between Grand Isle
and Burlington, except for a break in the trail at a narrow channel
crossing where boats can leave the inlet for the open lake.  Normally
there is a bike ferry operated by local bike advocacy group Local
Motion, but due to the high water this year, Local Motion indicated
that the causeway and ferry service may be closed for much of the
season while repairs are being made.  There IS the normal (old) bike
route along Highway 2, and this still gets you out to Grand Isle and
back.

Once you're out on Grand Isle, there are several options... One of
them is to take a nice ferry ride into Plattsburgh and a loop up along
the western shoreline literally to the Canadian border at Rouses
Point, then cross the lake by bridge back onto the peninsula that
leads south back onto North Hero and finally Grand Isle (a 60 mile
loop!!!)... Now THAT would be cool... I may have to try that.

Peace,
BB

On Jun 20, 5:54 pm, Lisa  wrote:
> Hi Zack,
>
> Here's a link about officially sactioned "primitive" camping in
> Vermont:
>
> http://www.vtstateparks.com/htm/primitive.htm
>
> If you're interested crossing the Green Mountains, the Northeast
> Kingdom Travel and Tourist Assn. offers a network of recommended bike
> routes and loops all over that part of the state:
>
> http://www.travelthekingdom.com/biking.php
>
> Have a great time!  Do take care if you go soon, I'm sure you're aware
> that in roads in some areas are in rough shape due to the recent heavy
> rains and flooding.
>
> Lisa
>
> On Jun 20, 8:39 am, Zack  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hey All -
>
> > I live in Burlington, VT, and would like to start doing some overnight
> > camping trips in VT.  I am researching good spots to do the
> > overnights, and figured I would ask on here as well.  Have any of you
> > done any in VT?
>
> > A lot of what I am finding for state park camping is more like car-
> > camping, (with a bunch of campsites clustered together/showers/
> > firewood/firepit, etc. - which is okay, but not really what I am
> > looking for.) I would like to camp somewhere that I am by myself,
> > maybe have a nice view, and have a chance to get away.  I thought it
> > would be worth asking on here, as some may have experience.
>
> > Any help?  Appreciate it in advance!

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[RBW] Re: HS

[Montclair BobbyB]

Read more about it here...

http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4

Could this be it???  If so, that's some pretty funky stuff...

On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
wrote:
> OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for
> giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed
> crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in
> transmission (in the crank).  It obviates the need for a front
> derailleur.  The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND
> rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will.
>
> OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent
>
> Peace,
> BB
>
> On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger  wrote:
>
>
>
> > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or just
> > the hub?"
>
> > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be
> > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon
> > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it was
> > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon.
>
> > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal
> > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup
> > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single
> > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for
> > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the
> > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of
> > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter
> > best of all for this concept.
>
> > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg  wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger  wrote:
> > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the
> > > > Rohloff.  I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very
> > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra
> > > > throw required by the Rohloff!  I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in
> > > > a split second."
>
> > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter.
>
> > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or just
> > > the hub?  The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for
> > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at
> > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough)
> > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.)
>
> > > -Ken

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[RBW] Re: HS

[Montclair BobbyB]

OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for
giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed
crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in
transmission (in the crank).  It obviates the need for a front
derailleur.  The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND
rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will.

OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent

Peace,
BB



On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger  wrote:
> "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or just
> the hub?"
>
> The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be
> centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon
> Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it was
> beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon.
>
> Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal
> with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup
> as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single
> speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for
> the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the
> constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of
> gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter
> best of all for this concept.
>
> On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger  wrote:
> > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the
> > > Rohloff.  I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very
> > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra
> > > throw required by the Rohloff!  I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in
> > > a split second."
>
> > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter.
>
> > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or just
> > the hub?  The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for
> > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at
> > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough)
> > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.)
>
> > -Ken

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[RBW] Re: Google Group Web Pokiness

[MichaelH]

RBW hasn't loaded for almost a week, but emptying my cache seems to
have helped, although I can't think of a reason Y.  Thanks for the
suggestion, Jim.

michael

On Jun 20, 6:47 pm, Leslie  wrote:
> Thanks for checkin' on it;   I'd noticed the delay in loading, that it
> actually times out on my iPhone's browser, but my PC, it'll hang in
> there until it eventually get it brought up.
>
> (I read it via digest-mode, but come to the board itself to reply).
>
> On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hey all -
>
> > A couple people emailed me over the weekend, and I just wanted to pass along
> > that there have been some access issues reported.
>
> > Just a heads up that for some reason, the web version of the RBW Owners
> > Group has been loading up very, very slowly (or not at all) for no apparent
> > reason for the past couple of days.
>
> > I'm checking into it, but don't have a clear explanation as of yet. (Ghost
> > in the Machine is idea #1 right now...)  Google may have monkeyed with some
> > things behind the scenes and it's just rippling through the interwebs.
>
> > If you just access the group via email (web or pop3) you probably didn't
> > notice a difference.  It only has been happening if you go to the Groups
> > page and then find it takes a while to load.
>
> > Remember, pokey internet response is a good excuse to ride.
>
> > - Jim / list admin
>
> > --
> > Jim Edgar
> > cyclofi...@earthlink.net
>
> > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com
> > Current Classics - Cross Bikes
> > Singlespeed - Working Bikes
>
> > "Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do
> > it."
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[RBW] Re: HS

[Roger]

"I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or just
the hub?"

The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be
centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon
Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it was
beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon.

Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal
with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup
as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single
speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for
the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the
constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of
gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter
best of all for this concept.

On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger  wrote:
> > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the
> > Rohloff.  I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very
> > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra
> > throw required by the Rohloff!  I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in
> > a split second."
>
> > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter.
>
> I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or just
> the hub?  The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for
> the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at
> the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough)
> and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.)
>
> -Ken

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[RBW] Re: HS

[Jim M.]

It can work. I've seen pictures on MTBR some where. If I find it, I'll
post a link.



On Jun 20, 4:04 pm, Leslie  wrote:
> On Jun 20, 5:10 pm, Roger  wrote:
>
> >  Does anyone prefer twist shifters?
>
> Well   my Nishiki MTB has GripShifts, and I've always liked
> them...  I've been considering a (potentially wacky) idea to try to
> mount some grips on the lower part of some offroad-drop bars.
> still under 'hypothetical'

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[RBW] Re: HS

[Leslie]

On Jun 20, 5:10 pm, Roger  wrote:
>  Does anyone prefer twist shifters?

Well   my Nishiki MTB has GripShifts, and I've always liked
them...  I've been considering a (potentially wacky) idea to try to
mount some grips on the lower part of some offroad-drop bars.
still under 'hypothetical'

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[RBW] Re: Google Group Web Pokiness

[Leslie]

Thanks for checkin' on it;   I'd noticed the delay in loading, that it
actually times out on my iPhone's browser, but my PC, it'll hang in
there until it eventually get it brought up.

(I read it via digest-mode, but come to the board itself to reply).



On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> Hey all -
>
> A couple people emailed me over the weekend, and I just wanted to pass along
> that there have been some access issues reported.
>
> Just a heads up that for some reason, the web version of the RBW Owners
> Group has been loading up very, very slowly (or not at all) for no apparent
> reason for the past couple of days.
>
> I'm checking into it, but don't have a clear explanation as of yet. (Ghost
> in the Machine is idea #1 right now...)  Google may have monkeyed with some
> things behind the scenes and it's just rippling through the interwebs.
>
> If you just access the group via email (web or pop3) you probably didn't
> notice a difference.  It only has been happening if you go to the Groups
> page and then find it takes a while to load.
>
> Remember, pokey internet response is a good excuse to ride.
>
> - Jim / list admin
>
> --
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> cyclofi...@earthlink.net
>
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>
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> it."
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[RBW] FS: The Bicycle Book

[Dave Faller]

Offered to the group rather than ebay -

I have a copy of "The Bicycle Book - Wit, Wisdom & Wanderings".  Paperback, 
149 pages, in like-new condition.  $5.00 free shipping CONUS.  PayPal 
preferred.

Good little book, but I don't think I'll reread it, so I'd like to move it 
along.  Even used copies on Amazon cost more with shipping, so if you've 
ever though about getting it...

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Bottom bracket size ?

[Garth]

I do friction shift Ginz !!  Always have ... always will :)  I've
stuck with FW's all these years because I have a stock of NOS and
barely used Sachs FW's. .  . . and the cogs just last and last and
last ! I switched to Squirt chain lube last year and I seem to get
even less wear on them. I never did quite get why they spec'd a 47.5mm
chainline with 9sp., as the extra cogs are placed toward the center of
the hub. This always perplexed me why they were engineered this way,
as there is room to move the cogs slightly to the right, toward the
dropout. The way they are, the angles are actually worse for the
larger cogs in the middle and large ring, better if you ride in the
small ring. Pros and cons, as always. But hey... cassettes are cheap,
and meant to be replaced often... so if there is extra wear from the
higher chain angles  just go with it. Maybe they've designed more
flexible chains these days that minimize the wear though  just a
thought.

I bet you can't wait to get your Hunqa built up !

Leslie, the Riv sizing ... I'm not sure why they post it, sometimes
they simply don't change or update text though.  Yes, the early Bomba
frames could use a 107 or 110, as the driveside length is the same on
Shimano and Tange(IRD) cartridges .  When I bought an XD crank last
year Riv told me the new Bomba's needed a 113 or 115mm, FWIW. The Sam
is/was spec'd with a 107mm.  Chainrings are not all exactly the same
diameters either... some brands have a little higher profile teeth. I
don't think they can accurately publish the data because they appear
to make running changes in frames from batch to batch sometimes.  Okay
for them on a complete bike sale , as they can try and length they
wish... but not so great for consumers who buy the frame alone and do
not have a bunch of lengths on hand. It's always worth it to call Riv
and ask, but never take it as absolute, they are human too  there
is no experience like first hand !!

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[RBW] Re: Vermont Rides/Camping

[Lisa]

Hi Zack,

Here's a link about officially sactioned "primitive" camping in
Vermont:

http://www.vtstateparks.com/htm/primitive.htm

If you're interested crossing the Green Mountains, the Northeast
Kingdom Travel and Tourist Assn. offers a network of recommended bike
routes and loops all over that part of the state:

http://www.travelthekingdom.com/biking.php

Have a great time!  Do take care if you go soon, I'm sure you're aware
that in roads in some areas are in rough shape due to the recent heavy
rains and flooding.

Lisa

On Jun 20, 8:39 am, Zack  wrote:
> Hey All -
>
> I live in Burlington, VT, and would like to start doing some overnight
> camping trips in VT.  I am researching good spots to do the
> overnights, and figured I would ask on here as well.  Have any of you
> done any in VT?
>
> A lot of what I am finding for state park camping is more like car-
> camping, (with a bunch of campsites clustered together/showers/
> firewood/firepit, etc. - which is okay, but not really what I am
> looking for.) I would like to camp somewhere that I am by myself,
> maybe have a nice view, and have a chance to get away.  I thought it
> would be worth asking on here, as some may have experience.
>
> Any help?  Appreciate it in advance!

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Re: [RBW] Re: HS

[Kenneth Stagg]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger  wrote:
> " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the
> Rohloff.  I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very
> happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra
> throw required by the Rohloff!  I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in
> a split second."
>
> I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter.

I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or just
the hub?  The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for
the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at
the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough)
and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.)

-Ken

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[RBW] Re: HS

[Roger]

" It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the
Rohloff.  I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very
happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra
throw required by the Rohloff!  I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in
a split second."

I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter.
I tried using a friction thumbshifter with it but had too many bad
shifts. I see that J-Tek has taken it upon themselves to do what SA
should have. Maybe I'll spring for the $125 barend shifter some time
and put the SA back into service.

 Does anyone prefer twist shifters?


On Jun 20, 1:19 pm, Kenneth Stagg  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:15 PM, cm  wrote:
> > I think an IGH bike makes the most sense and possibly even a Rohloff.
> > What other IGH would you want to ride off road and take touring? And
> > that would put a lot of restrictions on the bike. What else would
> > there be left to choose? Brakes would be determined by whether the
> > bike was set up for cant-, center, or v. Handlebars would need to be
> > 25.4 (unless I am not aware of a road bar Rohloff shifter).
>
> It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the
> Rohloff.  I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very
> happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra
> throw required by the Rohloff!  I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in
> a split second.
>
> -Ken

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[RBW] Re: HS

[Ginz]

Chaincase.  I would still put on two rings and shift with a big stick!

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Re: [RBW] Re: HS

[cyclotourist]

O yeah, that would be nice.  I would love a 29er version of the Mtn.
Mixte:  http://www.cyclofiend.com/mages/rbw/pdf/original_brown_mixte.pdf

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Charlie  wrote:

>
>
> A Hunqapillar mixte - just wishful thinking...
>
> Charlie
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Re: [RBW] Re: HS

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 12:18 -0700, Anne Paulson wrote:
> If I ponied up $4300 for a Rivendell and got a Pedersen type bike, I'd
> be furious.  

Not a chance, I'd say.  Pedersens have to be fitted to the individual,
no way you're going to get a decent range of sizes with 3 frames.
What's more, you can buy a Pedersen replica right now.  Jan tested one
in BQ last fall.  Where's the uniqueness in that?   Might as well do a
rip-off of an F-frame Moulton.  



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Re: [RBW] Re: HS

[Kenneth Stagg]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:15 PM, cm  wrote:
> I think an IGH bike makes the most sense and possibly even a Rohloff.
> What other IGH would you want to ride off road and take touring? And
> that would put a lot of restrictions on the bike. What else would
> there be left to choose? Brakes would be determined by whether the
> bike was set up for cant-, center, or v. Handlebars would need to be
> 25.4 (unless I am not aware of a road bar Rohloff shifter).

It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the
Rohloff.  I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very
happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra
throw required by the Rohloff!  I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in
a split second.

-Ken

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[RBW] Re: HS

[cm]

I think an IGH bike makes the most sense and possibly even a Rohloff.
What other IGH would you want to ride off road and take touring? And
that would put a lot of restrictions on the bike. What else would
there be left to choose? Brakes would be determined by whether the
bike was set up for cant-, center, or v. Handlebars would need to be
25.4 (unless I am not aware of a road bar Rohloff shifter). That would
also determine brake levers. So you are left with choosing the crank
(maybe) and front wheel (unless he is planning dynamo)?

Of course the handle thing is possible-- but that isnt anything really
different,  just another piece of metal (more triangles!).

If I had a spare $4300 I'd be all in!

Cheers!
cm

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Bottom bracket size ?

[Leslie]

Interesting.

I'd previously noticed on Riv's website on the BB page, that they
said:

"Sizing:
Non-Rivendell Road bikes with three chainrings and no bowed-out
chainstays: 110mm.
Any bike with bowed-out, but not ultra bowed-out chainstays: 113mm or
115mm.
Rivendell models except the Atlantis: 113mm.
The Atlantis: 107mm."

But after Grant and made some comment about the Bombadil being more
akin to the Atlantis, I went and looked, also noticed that On the Riv
sample-build page for the Bombadil, they spec a 107-BB for it, too.
Hadn't heard that about earlier Bombas versus later ones wonder
how much of that has been superceded...

I don't know about the Hunqa's, which way they'd go, have been
plotting on the Bomba myself, gatherin' information/thoughts.


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[RBW] Re: HS

[Charlie]

A Hunqapillar mixte - just wishful thinking...

Charlie

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Re: [RBW] Re: HS

[Anne Paulson]

If I ponied up $4300 for a Rivendell and got a Pedersen type bike, I'd
be furious.  Too weird, I wouldn't want it, and there's no way I'd
recover anything close to my money if I tried to sell it. And I
suspect I wouldn't be alone in that opinion. That's why I'm still
thinking a hub-shift townie bike.

By the way, speaking of townie bikes, has anyone else seen the Civia
Loring? I was getting groceries one day and a Loring was parked next
to my bike. OMG that bike is gorgeous. I spent like ten minutes just
admiring it.

-- Anne

On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Way Rebb  wrote:
> I'm thinking it's the the Rohloff equipped lugged Pedersen type bike
> everyone's been wildly speculating about.
>
> On Jun 17, 4:55 pm, Pondero  wrote:
>> Let the speculation begin...
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/365
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Re: [RBW] The bike collection (or hoard?)

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:29 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/437182423/in/set-72157594443171032
>
> Oh, and the front half of a Co-Motion Double Espresso that will be going up
> for sale in order to get a Periscope.  Anyone, anyone...?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4529510381/
>


So - tell me more about the double espresso... got sizes, etc on it?

-sv

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RE: [RBW] Re: The bike collection (or hoard?)

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Operational:

1990s Ibis Mojo steel front suspension MTB.
 
1970s Gitane Tour de France, all Campy, Challenge Parigi-Roubaix 29mm tires.

2010 AHH, Fastboy Slim. JB Greens.

2010 Riv Atlantis, custom pewter paint, Alba bars, fully racked and set for 
touring w/ fat Marathon Supremes.

2009 Quickbeam, custom maroon paint, fendered and bagged, JB Greens, my usual 
commuter.

1990 Trek aluminum hybrid, single ring, 8 speed in the back, VO Porteur bars, 
trailer towing hauler at the shore.

2007 or so Lynskey Ti custom (built for previous owner), LHT fork, Alba bars, 
700C Fat Franks, for longer rides at the shore (the steel bikes seem to rust 
very quickly right on the water). 

In process:

2009 Bombadil, almost finished rebuilding as an all-black Rohloff/SON equipped 
doomsday bike (the "Stealth Bomba"). Quasi-Motos, Riv Bullmoose painted to 
match frame; still tinkering with Forward Components eccentric bottom bracket 
(so no chain tensioner).  Black Pass and Stow front rack  black large Wald 
basket; black Tubus rear rack.

1985 Fuji Sundance lugged steel MTB, almost finished rebuilding (there's a 
theme there, right?) as a winter/rain bike, with SA 8-speed/drum rear, SA 
dynamo/drum front, studded Nokians, Dirt Drop bars and a Gamoh front rack.

1985 Mongoose chrome MTB, being rebuilt as a Fat Frank-equipped cruiser w/ Phil 
rear (40 spoke wheel bought from Scott Cutshall on the list), SON 20R front, 
Tubus SS racks.

Waiting their turn:

2007 Bleriot, to be built as a vintage-looking SS, w/ wooden rims, drilled 
Campy front/White ENO rear hubs, cream Hetres, Weigle-modified Stronglight 
track crankset, SOMA Lauterwasser bars, Ideale saddle, etc.  I guess this one 
would be for parades?

2011 SimpleOne, gofast fixed gear, Moustache bars, Challenge tires.

1985 Specialized Stumpjumper frame/fork, vague plans for a drop-barred, Big 
Appled ocean liner.  

1985 MB-2 frame fork, vague plans for a SA Duomatic coaster brake beach house 
loaner/beater, with Big Apples and maybe a Riv Bullmoose set.

And VERY deep in the queue, a 1930s Peugeot mixte, requiring complete 
restoration, and currently beyond my skill set.

I guess this exercise persuades me that I need to simplify my files


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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cm
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 1:54 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: The bike collection (or hoard?)

2003 Lemond Alpe d'Huez: steel frame, Kelly steel fork, mostly 105

2006 DaHon Solo: Bought on a whim. Fun folder that gets almost no use.
Took the Brooks off it for another bike. Number 305 of 500. Need to sell.

1996 Trek 930: Bought new in the box in 2008. Alba bars, fenders, slicks, and 
racks. A great bike that cost me less than a cheap set of wheels. Only 
complaint is the 1 1/8 threaded steerer.

2009 Gary Fisher Triton: steel single speed gofast-ish. Should sell.

1996 Kona Explosiff: Set up as a tourer/ commuter. Too small but rode it across 
country in 2000 so nostalgia compels me to keep it

1960's Raleigh RSW: small wheeled folder made to compete with Moutlon.
Prob weighs more than any two other bikes combined. Should find someone who 
wants it.

Riv Bleriot- my go-to bike, the one that gets the most miles- take it unless it 
is going to be sitting outside for a prolonged period of time. Will never sell.

Nishiki NFS: strange NOS 80's 650c wheeled frame and fork that i picked up for 
under $40. MUSA! Never been built up. Should sell.

On the way:

Terraferma custom: single speed. will prob replace the Triton.


recently departed: Landshark, Waterford 2200, Wanta, DeBernardi, Bike Friday 
NWT, Trek 370, Univega Rover

Cheers!
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[RBW] FS: Tektro Cantilevers,Kucharik toe warmers,MKS,Shimano,Ird

[hobie]

Hello all.Hope the riding this summer is going well. I have for sale
the following stuff all items include shipping US only.

Tektro CR720 cantilever brakes front and rear black. Used on my
Bombadil for around 2 months. good used condition. Got a great deal on
Pauls so these need a home. $27.00

2-pairs of Kucharik Toe warmers black. Tried a pair for a 1/2 hour. I
think these will work only out west,CA,Oregon,Wash. Didn't help here
in the northeast. One pair is new the other is like new. Both pairs
for $23.00

MKS steel toe clips size large. Excellent condition $13.00

Mira steel toe clips covered in dark brown leather size small. $13.00

Shimano Exage sport front and rear derailers Front clamp size is 28.6,
gun metal grey and silver color. $38.00

Shimano Exage sport SLR aero brake levers white hoods.Hoods are
alittle dirty,small tear in rubber on one hood,metal has scuffs.
Overall very nice fully functioning hoods. $27.00

Ird 7 speed freewheel. This one is marked M3 on the rear. This run of
freewheels supposedly doesn't have the problems like the first batch.I
rode it very few miles. 13,15,18,21,24,28,32 T $28.00

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Re: [RBW] On cork and shellac...

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Jack Warman  wrote:
> If I put on some cork grips and shellac them Thursday night, will they be
> dry enough to ride early Saturday morning?  How about if the shellac'ing
> were Wednesday night?
>

Inside or outside?

Since i know where you live Jack, you need to take relative humidity
into account if you're doing it outside.

During the summer here you might want to think about bringing them
indoors, shellacking them on some newspapers and letting them dry
inside. It'll happen A LOT faster. :)

Inside with a RH around 45-50% it shouldn't take any time at all to
dry nicely. - maybe a day at most.

Outside it will be.. longer.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hillborne

[James Warren]

It looks like a 60 cm, and it looks amazing. I looked at it after riding my 60 
last night.


-Original Message-
>From: Jay 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 10:34 AM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] Re: New Hillborne
>
>Wonder if that's the 56 cm I almost bought.
>Looks beautiful.
>
>Jay
>
>On Jun 20, 1:53 am, John L  wrote:
>> pics here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/34864597@N00/sets/72157626993100778/
>>
>> Loving the ride.  Have the handlebars way up where I couldn't get them
>> on my Long Haul Trucker, and it's fantastic.  My bottom will need to
>> get reacquainted with the Brooks I'm riding, as I think my weight is
>> just a bit differently distributed.  Was a little nervous about the
>> Jack Brown Greens, given that I'm on the bigger side, but loved the
>> ride and they even handled some of the packed dirt/gravel roads near
>> me without a fuss.
>>
>> Really loving the Acorn medium/large saddlebag.  Fits what I like to
>> bring with me for a leisurely afternoon on the bike (camera, snack
>> food, extra water bottle, basic repair stuff, haven't tried rain
>> jacket but there are D-rings and an extra set of leather straps -
>> purchased separately - for afixing one).  And the tapered design means
>> I don't even know it's there; no bagman style support needed.  Quick
>> run to the local supermarket and LBS, was able to fit a bag of baby
>> carrots, Sabra style hummus container, bag of trail mix, 32oz juice
>> bottle, wallet (overstuffed), cell phone, keys, above mentioned repair
>> stuff (tire levers & patch kit, multi tool, leatherman) and used the
>> leather fasteners (not the extra straps) to carry a U-lock, pedal
>> wrench, and mini frame pump.  Someone smarter at packing could
>> probably get a good deal more out of it.  Someone stupider (or at
>> least more reckless) too.
>>
>> Thanks again to Dick & Dick Denning at the Country Bike Shop for the
>> great service and build!
>>
>> Cheers
>
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Re: [RBW] On cork and shellac...

[CycloFiend]

on 6/20/11 10:34 AM, Jack Warman at jack.war...@gmail.com wrote:

If I put on some cork grips and shellac them Thursday night, will they be
dry enough to ride early Saturday morning?  How about if the shellac'ing
were Wednesday night?
 

When I've done twine, it's been ready by the next day.   Depends a bit on
how many coats you want to run.

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[RBW] Re: The bike collection (or hoard?)

[cm]

2003 Lemond Alpe d'Huez: steel frame, Kelly steel fork, mostly 105

2006 DaHon Solo: Bought on a whim. Fun folder that gets almost no use.
Took the Brooks off it for another bike. Number 305 of 500. Need to
sell.

1996 Trek 930: Bought new in the box in 2008. Alba bars, fenders,
slicks, and racks. A great bike that cost me less than a cheap set of
wheels. Only complaint is the 1 1/8 threaded steerer.

2009 Gary Fisher Triton: steel single speed gofast-ish. Should sell.

1996 Kona Explosiff: Set up as a tourer/ commuter. Too small but rode
it across country in 2000 so nostalgia compels me to keep it

1960's Raleigh RSW: small wheeled folder made to compete with Moutlon.
Prob weighs more than any two other bikes combined. Should find
someone who wants it.

Riv Bleriot- my go-to bike, the one that gets the most miles- take it
unless it is going to be sitting outside for a prolonged period of
time. Will never sell.

Nishiki NFS: strange NOS 80's 650c wheeled frame and fork that i
picked up for under $40. MUSA! Never been built up. Should sell.

On the way:

Terraferma custom: single speed. will prob replace the Triton.


recently departed: Landshark, Waterford 2200, Wanta, DeBernardi, Bike
Friday NWT, Trek 370, Univega Rover

Cheers!
cm

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[RBW] Re: New Hillborne

[Jay]

Wonder if that's the 56 cm I almost bought.
Looks beautiful.

Jay

On Jun 20, 1:53 am, John L  wrote:
> pics here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/34864597@N00/sets/72157626993100778/
>
> Loving the ride.  Have the handlebars way up where I couldn't get them
> on my Long Haul Trucker, and it's fantastic.  My bottom will need to
> get reacquainted with the Brooks I'm riding, as I think my weight is
> just a bit differently distributed.  Was a little nervous about the
> Jack Brown Greens, given that I'm on the bigger side, but loved the
> ride and they even handled some of the packed dirt/gravel roads near
> me without a fuss.
>
> Really loving the Acorn medium/large saddlebag.  Fits what I like to
> bring with me for a leisurely afternoon on the bike (camera, snack
> food, extra water bottle, basic repair stuff, haven't tried rain
> jacket but there are D-rings and an extra set of leather straps -
> purchased separately - for afixing one).  And the tapered design means
> I don't even know it's there; no bagman style support needed.  Quick
> run to the local supermarket and LBS, was able to fit a bag of baby
> carrots, Sabra style hummus container, bag of trail mix, 32oz juice
> bottle, wallet (overstuffed), cell phone, keys, above mentioned repair
> stuff (tire levers & patch kit, multi tool, leatherman) and used the
> leather fasteners (not the extra straps) to carry a U-lock, pedal
> wrench, and mini frame pump.  Someone smarter at packing could
> probably get a good deal more out of it.  Someone stupider (or at
> least more reckless) too.
>
> Thanks again to Dick & Dick Denning at the Country Bike Shop for the
> great service and build!
>
> Cheers

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[RBW] On cork and shellac...

[Jack Warman]

If I put on some cork grips and shellac them Thursday night, will they be
dry enough to ride early Saturday morning?  How about if the shellac'ing
were Wednesday night?

Pimping my Xootr,
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[RBW] Re: Vermont Rides/Camping

[Jay]

I am planning a 6 day ride around VT this August.
Starting in Meredith NH,  mostly following the ACA Green Mtn Loop
counter clockwise as far a Queeche where I am scheduled to meet up
with family.
Contact me off list if you're interested.

Jay

On Jun 20, 6:54 pm, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On Jun 20, 11:03 am, cm  wrote:
>
> > My brother lives in Burlington-- might get my vote for the coolest
> > city in the US.
>
> that's quite a compliment.  and I agree!  as long as you don't mind 5
> months of winter.
>
> Zack - like the above posters recommended, just pick a place where
> you'd like to spend some time - whether it's the mountains, islands,
> lakes - and go for it.
>
> I think a trip up to Lake Carmi would make for a great S240 - lots of
> cool back roads to get up there.  A little closer would be Cambridge
> State Forest.  Little River State Park near Waterbury is another good
> option.  How about Hinesburg Town Forest - pitch a tent and go climb
> Texas Hill, Lincoln Hill, Pond Rd/Wes White and refuel at On the Rise
> in Richmond before the sun goes down.  Or Lake Iroquois?  Mt.
> Mansfield State Forest?  Camel's Hump State Park.  It's kind of
> limitless around here, just depends on how far you want to ride.
> Also, don't forget about the ADKs - it's so easy to jump on the
> Charlotte ferry and pitch a tent in NY somewhere along the lake or in
> the mountains.
>
> Have fun!!

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[RBW] Google Group Web Pokiness

[CycloFiend]

Hey all - 

A couple people emailed me over the weekend, and I just wanted to pass along
that there have been some access issues reported.

Just a heads up that for some reason, the web version of the RBW Owners
Group has been loading up very, very slowly (or not at all) for no apparent
reason for the past couple of days.

I'm checking into it, but don't have a clear explanation as of yet. (Ghost
in the Machine is idea #1 right now...)  Google may have monkeyed with some
things behind the scenes and it's just rippling through the interwebs.

If you just access the group via email (web or pop3) you probably didn't
notice a difference.  It only has been happening if you go to the Groups
page and then find it takes a while to load.

Remember, pokey internet response is a good excuse to ride.

- Jim / list admin

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Re: [RBW] The bike collection (or hoard?)

[cyclotourist]

Yep, keeping it real...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/437181442/in/set-72157594443171032/

Thanks, it's pretty much all original except for chain, tires and I threw on
a big cog in the back.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Lee Chae  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:29 AM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
> > Finally, I have a real neat Schwinn Racer that I use a lot for shopping,
> > library and similar round town stuff.  A great bike that's coming up on
> 40
> > years old!
> >
> >
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/437182423/in/set-72157594443171032
>
> We need to start a Schwinn Racer splinter group (Top Hat and Ring?).
> Your Racer looks fantastic. Mine's a bit over 50-years old, and hasn't
> stayed true to its initial build...but the frame is surviving!:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/44w2anj
>
> Best,
> Lee
> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] The bike collection (or hoard?)

[Lee Chae]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:29 AM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Finally, I have a real neat Schwinn Racer that I use a lot for shopping,
> library and similar round town stuff.  A great bike that's coming up on  40
> years old!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/437182423/in/set-72157594443171032

We need to start a Schwinn Racer splinter group (Top Hat and Ring?).
Your Racer looks fantastic. Mine's a bit over 50-years old, and hasn't
stayed true to its initial build...but the frame is surviving!:

http://tinyurl.com/44w2anj

Best,
Lee
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Bottom bracket size ?

[Ginz]

Well...interesting choice of hub.  I have the same hub on my bike.
However, mine is an older model from the early 90's.  I believe I
measured the chainline at 42.5mm.  Your's may be a bit different,
though it is most likley 45mm. If you use the Sugino with a 110mm,
that ought to give you a 45mm chainline in front, as well. Even if
your hub and freewheel yield 42.5, it is close enough.  With a 9speed
or 8speed cassette, you start to get further away because those are
generally a 47.5mm chainline.  However, if you are using friction
shifting (and I hope you are!!), especially in the front, it should
all work fine.  The biggest concern is the chain rubbing the front
derailluer in a indexed setup.  If your chainline isn't perfect, you
may end up with that annoying rub in certain gear combos.

As far as chainstay clearence, I doubt that you'll have any issues
with the 110mm but you may want to email Riv to be certain.  My Hunq'a
frame is still in the box at the moment so I'm not sure either. :)

Ginz

On Jun 20, 11:54 am, Garth  wrote:
> Hi Ginz,  I currently am using 135mm Phil 7sp FW hubs with multiple
> sets of wheels.  I may go to a 9sp. cassette one day, but I don't see
> what difference that would make regarding the BB length. If you have
> further thoughts on this, please do share!   I'd use the same 110mm
> Tange for the Bombadil if I ever did get some 9 speed hubs. I'm
> considering a Hunqapillar or a Sam frame frame currently. I know the
> Sam can use the 110 also, and it would be great if the Hunq could use
> it also so I'd only need to stock a 110mm BB size for all my bikes.  I
> always considered BB length a chainring clearance of the chainstay
> issue, not a hub issue.
>
> On my early production Bombadil I have a 45-46mm chainline with the
> 24/36/48 XD and 110mm Tange cartridge BB, clearance for the rings is
> just right. I was told by Riv on the later Bombadils, they required a
> 115mm BB. I was hoping the Hunqapillars would take a 110mm and not a
> 115mm like the later Bombadils, hence my question.

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Re: [RBW] The bike collection (or hoard?)

[cyclotourist]

Have y'all noticed how well Surlys and Salsas are represented here???  They
sure do make some nice, well thought out and relatively inexpensive bikes
that compliment Rivendell bikes & velosophy.

Right now, I've got it down to four bikes.  Was five for a while, but I
couldn't justify my Quickbeam.  I need me some gears!

So, an All Rounder, which really is one.  Can do anything I want it to do,
and could very conceivably become my only bike.  I have a 36h Phil hubset
with knobbies for trails, and a 32h DA/CR-18 that's my everything else
wheelset.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157602592825848/

Then my Riv Road, which is a total vanity bike.  Bought second hand on the
'bay.  About seven pounds lighter, and only able to take 30mm tires, so fast
but not as versatile.  If I ever need to sell a bike, this would be the one
to go.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157604046492434/

Next is my Surly Karate Monkey, which is a great 29er.  I'm kinda' thinking
of upgrading to a front -sus bike, but hard to justify that is this goes
everywhere I need it to go!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157623615047170/

Finally, I have a real neat Schwinn Racer that I use a lot for shopping,
library and similar round town stuff.  A great bike that's coming up on  40
years old!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/437182423/in/set-72157594443171032

Oh, and the front half of a Co-Motion Double Espresso that will be going up
for sale in order to get a Periscope.  Anyone, anyone...?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4529510381/

I'm not missing anything, and feel I could give up the Road and maybe even
the KM if I had to.  It's really nice to have options though!



On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Robert F. Harrison
wrote:

>
>
> Let's see...
>
> 1. 66cm Quickbeam: 40/32-19/16 gearing, m-bars, mini-front/platrack, R14 in
> back, Rich built wheels - sort of the ultimate commuter bike for me but I do
> ride it long distances too.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/5446966241/
>
> 2. Bike Friday New World Tourist (it's been to Riv Central) - living in
> Hawaii makes it really expensive to travel with a bike hence the BF. It's a
> 24 speed with an 8-speed cassette/3 speed SRAM DualDrive combo. Custom built
> for a heavier rider this bike has been to Walnut Creek (and a few other
> places round the bay), Mexico City, San Antonio, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and
> will be ridden across Iowa in this summer's RABRAI.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/5852203108/
>
> 3. Fujiyama ATB - a relic from the late 80's this was the house brand of
> the McCully Bicycle Shop named after a friend/partner(?) of the owner. Still
> a family concern they don't do house brand bikes anymore but I think they
> used to carry Bridgestones. The son in the shop immediately remembered Grant
> when I brought my QB by the shop one day. This bike has been converted into
> a single speed town bike. I am the original owner but it sat in storage for
> years - now it's my go to bike when I want to hang out at the beach (and
> won't be able to keep an eye on where my bike is parked).
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/4428293840/
>
> 4. Raleigh something or other - My Hilo bike, this is an old 12 speed
> Raleigh which will probably rust away some day. The only changes I made were
> new Nitto DirtDrop stem to get the handlebars up and Grip Kings (which are
> actually on all my bikes). I'm still deciding what to do, if anything, with
> it other than ride it when I'm in Hilo. It really, really needs new spokes.
>
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/5189014872/
>
>
> I recently gave away my fifth bike, a Giant Sedona. It wasn't a bad bike
> but in the end I never rode it anymore. It's the bike I got when I decided
> to get back to biking. I considered turning it into a longtail but reality
> set in when I realized I was out of space in my apartment. Of course there's
> still room for another Riv. But which one/s?
>
> N+1: I've got town and travel covered so now I'm waiting for inspiration
> (and a cash infusion) to hit me as to which Riv I need next.
>
> Aloha
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Teva Hurricanes on sale!

[Robert F. Harrison]

I ride Tevas all the time (except for commuting to and from work) and love
'em. My feet have Teva-tans. :-) If you get on Sierra's mailing list you can
even get 'em cheaper than $20 at times. I just ordered a pair and with the
email coupon code I think I paid $15. I've got a stash of them and whenever
I can get a pair under $20 I add to the stock. My folk's dog just ate a pair
last week in Hilo so stocking up is a good thing.

My experience with sizing is the 12 is a true 12 - sizing down wouldn't work
for me.

Aloha!

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:55 AM, Mike  wrote:

> Hey, if any of you out there are a fan of Teva's Hurricane III sandal
> for cycling be aware that Sierra Trading post has them on sale for
> like $23. I got mine for $20 after I "liked" their FB page. I'm not a
> big fan of cycling in Tevas but I don't hate it either. Last year I
> spend a day of my tour in Gifford pedaling in Tevas, something like 55
> miles on dirt roads and they worked fine. I also pedaled around on
> them yesterday and found them fine. I think they just take some
> getting used to. For this year Teva has changed the design on them. It
> looks like they've made them more rugged or something. I really like
> the simple look and sole on these ones. Check it out:
>
>
> http://www.sierratradingpost.com/p/,1264T_Teva-Hurricane-3-Sandals-For-Men.html
>
> --mike
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Re: [RBW] The bike collection (or hoard?)

[Robert F. Harrison]

Let's see...

1. 66cm Quickbeam: 40/32-19/16 gearing, m-bars, mini-front/platrack, R14 in
back, Rich built wheels - sort of the ultimate commuter bike for me but I do
ride it long distances too.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/5446966241/

2. Bike Friday New World Tourist (it's been to Riv Central) - living in
Hawaii makes it really expensive to travel with a bike hence the BF. It's a
24 speed with an 8-speed cassette/3 speed SRAM DualDrive combo. Custom built
for a heavier rider this bike has been to Walnut Creek (and a few other
places round the bay), Mexico City, San Antonio, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and
will be ridden across Iowa in this summer's RABRAI.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/5852203108/

3. Fujiyama ATB - a relic from the late 80's this was the house brand of the
McCully Bicycle Shop named after a friend/partner(?) of the owner. Still a
family concern they don't do house brand bikes anymore but I think they used
to carry Bridgestones. The son in the shop immediately remembered Grant when
I brought my QB by the shop one day. This bike has been converted into a
single speed town bike. I am the original owner but it sat in storage for
years - now it's my go to bike when I want to hang out at the beach (and
won't be able to keep an eye on where my bike is parked).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/4428293840/

4. Raleigh something or other - My Hilo bike, this is an old 12 speed
Raleigh which will probably rust away some day. The only changes I made were
new Nitto DirtDrop stem to get the handlebars up and Grip Kings (which are
actually on all my bikes). I'm still deciding what to do, if anything, with
it other than ride it when I'm in Hilo. It really, really needs new spokes.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/5189014872/


I recently gave away my fifth bike, a Giant Sedona. It wasn't a bad bike but
in the end I never rode it anymore. It's the bike I got when I decided to
get back to biking. I considered turning it into a longtail but reality set
in when I realized I was out of space in my apartment. Of course there's
still room for another Riv. But which one/s?

N+1: I've got town and travel covered so now I'm waiting for inspiration
(and a cash infusion) to hit me as to which Riv I need next.

Aloha


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[RBW] Re: The bike collection (or hoard?)

[Esteban]

Oh, yea - that's mm for the tires!


On Jun 20, 1:35 pm, Esteban  wrote:
> Here's Grant's quote from Riv Reader #42:
> "seven is good. a beater, a bomber, a single-speed, a tour- ing bike,
> a lightish road bike, a do-all racked and bagged bike, a mixte, a
> loaner, and a work in progress. seven? Make it nine."
>
> Bikes are fun.  I like to think about tire size;
>
> 28cm -- Riv Road Custom S&S couplers 700c (58cm) - "lightish-road"
> 32cm -- Ebisu Randonneuse 700c (58cm) "..."
> 36cm -- Kogswell P/R city hauler 650B (58cm) "beater"
> 38cm -- Velo Cult Demontable all-road randonneuse 650B (58cm) "bomber"
> 42cm -- Rivendell Protovelo town & country tourer 650B (60cm) "do-all
> racked and bagged"
> 52cm -- Black Sheep Ti Custom S&S couplers adventure tour ATB 700c
> (56cm) "tour-ing"
>
> The un-built 60cm orange Quickbeam in my office, and perhaps the
> Protovelo may go one day.  I'd now like a Brompton for my wife and I
> both to use, as I'd need to just accept the inferior ride quality that
> comes with convenience.  Really, I'm "set."  Recent mortgage makes
> that more so!
>
> On Jun 20, 7:14 am, rob markwardt  wrote:
>
>
>
> > If I was a millionaire who lived in a mansion I'd have a hundred
> > bikes….but I'm teacher living in a 1922 bungalow so I have eight/
> > plus.  A few are always in the  process of change/updates, a couple
> > always need repair, and one or two always get the most miles.  In
> > order of most milege
>
> > Bleriot- My main bike from October through May...currently needs some
> > derailleur repair.
> > Green Rambouillet - I don't randonneur but if I do it would be on
> > this.
> > 71 Paramount - If there's little chance of rain and I'm staying on the
> > road I'm riding this.
> > 88 RockCombo - I've been riding this a lot recently.  Fat-tired,
> > fendered, hop on and go.
> > 72 Puegeot PX10 - I rarely ride this but I don't know whymight be
> > that 45/28 low gear.  Still, every time I get on it I go wow.
> > 74 Hetchins Spyder - Understated...for Hetchins,  Italian race style
> > geometry.  Currently a wall hanger...missing a few parts...summer
> > project.
> > 79 Univega Gran Turismo - Currently in frame mode...replaced by
> > RockCombo...sadly collecting dust.  Can't seem to sell it, will give
> > to anybody who will ride it...
> > 77 Trek...Frame, fenders...recently purchased from list member Marty.
> > Other summer project.  This is a beauty that I can't wait to get on
> > the road.
>
> > Also a few kid bikes, wife's bike, free bike found on corner, etc.
> > I'd like to get down to a smaller number but until the internet goes
> > away I doubt that will be happening soon.
>
> > Rob

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Re: [RBW] Re: HS

[Ray Shine]

I don't think I'd go so far as whacky, but I must admit that a handle would be 
completely unnecessary.  I've toted many bikes around for many years without a 
handle, and it's worked fine so far.




>
>From: Ginz 
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 8:21 AM
>Subject: [RBW] Re: HS
>
>To me, brazing a handle to the seat tube is in the "whack-job"
>category.  A triangular frame bag is a possibility.
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Bottom bracket size ?

[Garth]

Hi Ginz,  I currently am using 135mm Phil 7sp FW hubs with multiple
sets of wheels.  I may go to a 9sp. cassette one day, but I don't see
what difference that would make regarding the BB length. If you have
further thoughts on this, please do share!   I'd use the same 110mm
Tange for the Bombadil if I ever did get some 9 speed hubs. I'm
considering a Hunqapillar or a Sam frame frame currently. I know the
Sam can use the 110 also, and it would be great if the Hunq could use
it also so I'd only need to stock a 110mm BB size for all my bikes.  I
always considered BB length a chainring clearance of the chainstay
issue, not a hub issue.

On my early production Bombadil I have a 45-46mm chainline with the
24/36/48 XD and 110mm Tange cartridge BB, clearance for the rings is
just right. I was told by Riv on the later Bombadils, they required a
115mm BB. I was hoping the Hunqapillars would take a 110mm and not a
115mm like the later Bombadils, hence my question.

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[RBW] Re: Vermont Rides/Camping

[Patrick in VT]

On Jun 20, 11:03 am, cm  wrote:
> My brother lives in Burlington-- might get my vote for the coolest
> city in the US.

that's quite a compliment.  and I agree!  as long as you don't mind 5
months of winter.

Zack - like the above posters recommended, just pick a place where
you'd like to spend some time - whether it's the mountains, islands,
lakes - and go for it.

I think a trip up to Lake Carmi would make for a great S240 - lots of
cool back roads to get up there.  A little closer would be Cambridge
State Forest.  Little River State Park near Waterbury is another good
option.  How about Hinesburg Town Forest - pitch a tent and go climb
Texas Hill, Lincoln Hill, Pond Rd/Wes White and refuel at On the Rise
in Richmond before the sun goes down.  Or Lake Iroquois?  Mt.
Mansfield State Forest?  Camel's Hump State Park.  It's kind of
limitless around here, just depends on how far you want to ride.
Also, don't forget about the ADKs - it's so easy to jump on the
Charlotte ferry and pitch a tent in NY somewhere along the lake or in
the mountains.

Have fun!!


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[RBW] Re: The bike collection (or hoard?)

[EricP]

If going by tire size -
40mm - Sam Hillborne (Schwalbe Marathon Dureme)
40mm - Cross Check (Marathon Supremes)
50mm - LHT (Big Apples)

Winter - 40mm studded (Cross Check), 1.75 studded (LHT)

Sometimes might go as skinny as 35mm (Paselas) on a bike.  Most of the
time, now, that's too narrow.  Might start looking at 42-45mm for the
Cross Check.  If I can find fenders to cover.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jun 20, 6:35 am, Esteban  wrote:
> Here's Grant's quote from Riv Reader #42:
> "seven is good. a beater, a bomber, a single-speed, a tour- ing bike,
> a lightish road bike, a do-all racked and bagged bike, a mixte, a
> loaner, and a work in progress. seven? Make it nine."
>
> Bikes are fun.  I like to think about tire size;
>
> 28cm -- Riv Road Custom S&S couplers 700c (58cm) - "lightish-road"
> 32cm -- Ebisu Randonneuse 700c (58cm) "..."
> 36cm -- Kogswell P/R city hauler 650B (58cm) "beater"
> 38cm -- Velo Cult Demontable all-road randonneuse 650B (58cm) "bomber"
> 42cm -- Rivendell Protovelo town & country tourer 650B (60cm) "do-all
> racked and bagged"
> 52cm -- Black Sheep Ti Custom S&S couplers adventure tour ATB 700c
> (56cm) "tour-ing"
>
> The un-built 60cm orange Quickbeam in my office, and perhaps the
> Protovelo may go one day.  I'd now like a Brompton for my wife and I
> both to use, as I'd need to just accept the inferior ride quality that
> comes with convenience.  Really, I'm "set."  Recent mortgage makes
> that more so!
>
> On Jun 20, 7:14 am, rob markwardt  wrote:
>
>
>
> > If I was a millionaire who lived in a mansion I'd have a hundred
> > bikes….but I'm teacher living in a 1922 bungalow so I have eight/
> > plus.  A few are always in the  process of change/updates, a couple
> > always need repair, and one or two always get the most miles.  In
> > order of most milege
>
> > Bleriot- My main bike from October through May...currently needs some
> > derailleur repair.
> > Green Rambouillet - I don't randonneur but if I do it would be on
> > this.
> > 71 Paramount - If there's little chance of rain and I'm staying on the
> > road I'm riding this.
> > 88 RockCombo - I've been riding this a lot recently.  Fat-tired,
> > fendered, hop on and go.
> > 72 Puegeot PX10 - I rarely ride this but I don't know whymight be
> > that 45/28 low gear.  Still, every time I get on it I go wow.
> > 74 Hetchins Spyder - Understated...for Hetchins,  Italian race style
> > geometry.  Currently a wall hanger...missing a few parts...summer
> > project.
> > 79 Univega Gran Turismo - Currently in frame mode...replaced by
> > RockCombo...sadly collecting dust.  Can't seem to sell it, will give
> > to anybody who will ride it...
> > 77 Trek...Frame, fenders...recently purchased from list member Marty.
> > Other summer project.  This is a beauty that I can't wait to get on
> > the road.
>
> > Also a few kid bikes, wife's bike, free bike found on corner, etc.
> > I'd like to get down to a smaller number but until the internet goes
> > away I doubt that will be happening soon.
>
> > Rob- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: HS

[Ginz]

To me, brazing a handle to the seat tube is in the "whack-job"
category.  A triangular frame bag is a possibility.

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[RBW] Re: Surly's Tips for Happy Riding?

[Greg]

Love that Surly-tude!

On Jun 17, 3:23 am, charlie  wrote:
> That's pretty Surly talk. ; )
>
> On Jun 16, 8:57 pm, Mike  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I really like today's post on the Surly Blog (http://surlybikes.com/
> > blog/2514/). Seems to be in the same vein as Grant's Tips for Happy
> > Riding. Some of my favorites from the Surly post:
>
> > "Hey, little round glasses pocket protector collared shirt skid lid
> > rear view mirror sandal wearing schwalbe marathon running pletscher
> > two-leg kickstand tourist – good job."
>
> > "Your handlebars can be lower than your saddle, even with your saddle,
> > or higher than your saddle. Whichever way you like it is right."
>
> > "Touch up paint always looks like shit. Often it looks worse than the
> > scratch."
>
> > "The moral of RAGBRAI is that families and drunken boobs can have fun
> > on the same route, just maybe at different times of day."
>
> > --mike

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[RBW] Re: Vermont Rides/Camping

[cm]

My brother lives in Burlington-- might get my vote for the coolest
city in the US. I have done a fair amount riding up there. You can
camp in any of the National Forests-- pick a spot and go for it. You
are supposed to be a 1/2 mile for the road (i think), but i usually go
far enough so that i cant see/ hear cars and figure that is good.
Other places are always a gamble-- is it private property, whose land
is it, etc. Under bridges can be good if they are flat not exactly a
good way to enjoy nature. At big farms i have friends who stop and ask
if they can sleep in their field-- most have no problem with it. The
other thing that i have done is sleep behind fire stations, behind
churches, and down by the river. In my experience you are much better
out of sight in the woods than in the open.

Cheers!
cm

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[RBW] Re: The bike collection (or hoard?)

[rb]

3 for me - all need to be fast and able to carry a load; and all weather / 
conditions -

main ride - Boulder 700c, drop bars, Ostrich bag or sometimes basket, SON & 
edelux, VO rear rack which I thought would be useless, but actually gets 
used quite a bit for overflow from the front carry; Gipiemme shifters on bar 
ends. Trashed the full 1990s Campy gruppo over the winter, it fell to 
pieces; so now all Shimano gearing.  A fast, fun, very comfortable ride; and 
good looking too (white, no decals, honjos, silver racks and components)

winter ride (in the snowy muddy Berkshires) - Kog PR, G1, S3X (3 speed fixed 
hub), convertible rando / giant Porteur rack, Novatech dyno.  Used to be set 
up as 3 x 8, no matter what other bikes I've had during the tenure of the 
Kog, I keep coming back to it, and not just due to 650b; even though it's a 
little too stiff for me, there's an incredible sweet spot that it hits. 
 Great trail rider / rough road rider too

Peculiar outlier - custom painted bike friday NWT, Soma Mustache bars, 
sprung b17, racks front and back...the BEST freight hauler I have, loads 
unnoticeable. 3 x 9; vbrakes 1.5" tire width - fast (except uphill, but 
that's me needing to spin harder, not lose momentum etc).  Shared with wife 
for travel bike; used by me as the freight hauler when large things are 
going back and forth.

tandems -
Bike Friday tandem for me and my little boy who has gone from 30 lbs to 70 
lbs in the 4 years we've used it together, and has always been a random 
input...sometimes massive power (relatively), and sometimes deadweight.  We 
use it for general getting around all over in our rural hilly area, up to 20 
mile r/trip. Or into NYC for long days of flat riding (wherein it, and he, 
shine).  With a quick conversion to fit the wife it's a 28mph cruising on 
the flats for hours

Santana from 1999 - the BEST riding tandem we've ever had.  For awhile set 
up with a kid back, and now just kept on tap for the future as we use the BF 
tandem more.  But one day, for long trips, when the little guy is on his own 
/ or on his own road bike leaving us behind (hopefully), this'll be the one 
we use together

wife's bike - Riv Glorious, custom paint, great riding, like the Kog, an 
ineffable rightness, a real flyer, I wish it fit me!

At one time all our bikes were exact duplicates of each other, but now (to 
me) they are different enough (ie Kog and Boulder and BF) that the 
variability keeps them from being sold off. 



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[RBW] Re: New Hillborne

[islaysteve]

Super great-looking bike with all the Rivish goodies!  I like the blue
twine, which I presume is not shellacked.  I never thought of colored
twine before.  I really like the orange paint scheme with blue
accents.  I'm sure you'll enjoy riding this for a long time.  Steve

On Jun 19, 6:53 pm, John L  wrote:
> pics here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/34864597@N00/sets/72157626993100778/
>
> Loving the ride.  Have the handlebars way up where I couldn't get them
> on my Long Haul Trucker, and it's fantastic.  My bottom will need to
> get reacquainted with the Brooks I'm riding, as I think my weight is
> just a bit differently distributed.  Was a little nervous about the
> Jack Brown Greens, given that I'm on the bigger side, but loved the
> ride and they even handled some of the packed dirt/gravel roads near
> me without a fuss.
>
> Really loving the Acorn medium/large saddlebag.  Fits what I like to
> bring with me for a leisurely afternoon on the bike (camera, snack
> food, extra water bottle, basic repair stuff, haven't tried rain
> jacket but there are D-rings and an extra set of leather straps -
> purchased separately - for afixing one).  And the tapered design means
> I don't even know it's there; no bagman style support needed.  Quick
> run to the local supermarket and LBS, was able to fit a bag of baby
> carrots, Sabra style hummus container, bag of trail mix, 32oz juice
> bottle, wallet (overstuffed), cell phone, keys, above mentioned repair
> stuff (tire levers & patch kit, multi tool, leatherman) and used the
> leather fasteners (not the extra straps) to carry a U-lock, pedal
> wrench, and mini frame pump.  Someone smarter at packing could
> probably get a good deal more out of it.  Someone stupider (or at
> least more reckless) too.
>
> Thanks again to Dick & Dick Denning at the Country Bike Shop for the
> great service and build!
>
> Cheers

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[RBW] Re: The bike collection (or hoard?)

[islaysteve]

Liesl, Do you have pix of the Bleriot posted anywhere?  I'd love to
see it.
Steve

On Jun 19, 11:59 pm, Liesl  wrote:
> Riv Saluki--first litter, serial number 77.  50cm red with cream head
> tube, mustache bars, silver bar-ends, nitto dirt-drop, VO elk sew-on
> grips, wood fenders, honey brooks, nitto marks rack with a baggins
> adam & mini -front with a nigel smyth tweed li'l loafer, snow peak
> spork mounted on one of the water bottle braze-ons.  Looks a bit like
> a '57 MG.  she's the pretty girl.
>
> Riv Protovelo Bleriot--51 cm set up as a little quickbeam, sandblasted
> clear powdercoat, mustache bars, nitto dirt-drop, white hubs with an
> eno on the back, green brooks, carradice barley on the back.  just a
> simple delight to ride--as my main commuter, might get ridden the
> most?
>
> Bike Friday Pocket Rocket--riv-ified.  british green, mustache bars,
> 1x8 with a single shimano bar-end, honey brooks, sackville keven's up
> front and steals the carradice barley.  what a companion; has gone as
> far as new zealand with me.
>
> 86 Trek 650--dark blue, tiny frame with big 700 wheels set up as a
> single speed winter beater, mustache bars, nitto dirt-drop, baggins
> keven's bag up front and baggins little joe on the back.  all scuffed
> up and covered in salt grime; no one knows how nice she is.
>
> '99 Kona Fire Mountain--olive green, albatross bars (you mean you have
> a bike without mustache bars???), cork grips, shimano bar ends,
> studded nokia snow tires and army surplus appointments. the jeep.
>
> cheers, liesl
> minneapolis

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[RBW] Re: The bike collection (or hoard?)

[Bryan Edgar]

Got three good ones!  I can finally stop combing Craigslist every day
(for now).  With young kids at home, I don't get out much for weekend
rides.  My bikes share daily commuting duties mostly with the
occasional 30-mile ride on weekends.  These are all enjoyable in their
own way:

64cm Silver Quickbeam - love it.  Noodles, fenders, rear rack,
panniers.  King commuter and funmobile.
25.5" 1988 Trek 400 - Moustache bars, Carradice saddle bag, 28c
tires.  Speedy commuter when skies are clear and I gotta get somewhere
in a hurry.
23" 1989 Stumpjumper Comp - Albatross bars and knobbies.  This is my
main winter ride for the long Wisconsin snow season.  I'll take it on
some singletrack a couple times a year.  It's also good for hauling
the kids in the trailer.  Otherwise, it doesn't get much action in the
summer.

-Bryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Vermont Rides/Camping

[PATRICK MOORE]

I've got nearby areas where I could stealth camp, but they are all
sandy (even under the bosque trees the soil is old river silt) and
there are coyotes hanging around -- fine to ride through but not so
fun, I imagine, for camping. No fires either, since it is fire season
here. I wish there were grassy, green areas available.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Zack  wrote:
> Also, if you don't live in Vermont, how do you go about choosing
> places to go on your S24O's?  I know that part of the beauty of the
> S24O is the spontaneity - but would love some guidance on how you got
> started.
>
> On Jun 20, 8:39 am, Zack  wrote:
>> Hey All -
>>
>> I live in Burlington, VT, and would like to start doing some overnight
>> camping trips in VT.  I am researching good spots to do the
>> overnights, and figured I would ask on here as well.  Have any of you
>> done any in VT?
>>
>> A lot of what I am finding for state park camping is more like car-
>> camping, (with a bunch of campsites clustered together/showers/
>> firewood/firepit, etc. - which is okay, but not really what I am
>> looking for.) I would like to camp somewhere that I am by myself,
>> maybe have a nice view, and have a chance to get away.  I thought it
>> would be worth asking on here, as some may have experience.
>>
>> Any help?  Appreciate it in advance!
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[RBW] Re: The bike collection (or hoard?)

[tdusky]

Definitely  Hoarding!

On Jun 19, 4:03 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
> 68cm Riv Custom
> 68cm Redwood
> 65cm Redwood
> 67cm AHH
> 22" Riv Mtn Bike
> 64cm Sam
> 68cm Q-beam
> 68cm Ram
> 64cm Ram
> 64cm Atlantis
> 66cm Atlantis
> 62cm Hunqa
>
> I plan on eventually, in 30 years or so, willing these to me grand or
> great-grand kids.
>
> RGZ
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Zack  wrote:
> > The GP quotation about how many bikes you should own is great -
>
> > (paraphrasing, can't remember where I saw it):
>
> > "You should have seven:
> > A town bike, a single speed, a loaded tourer, a commuter, a bike you
> > aren't afraid to ride in the rain, an off-roader, a go-fast bike, a
> > beater, and a fixed gear.
>
> > Oh wait, that's nine.  Nine it is then."
>
> > Ahahaha I read that to my wife when she was talking about instituting
> > a "one in one out policy" on bikes.  She didn't think it was as funny
> > as I did.  She gave me that look - you know the one, where it's like
> > "what on earth was I thinking when I married you."
>
> > Good times!
>
> > On Jun 18, 10:40 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> >> Riv custom 571 bsd gofast fixed gear
> >> Riv custom 559 bsd commuter fixed gear (Consider it a gofast with
> >> fenders, light racks and bags and dyno lights.)
> >> Salsa Fargo -- off road bike (I wanted a 29er that can both take the
> >> fattest tires 700C out there and that has a more or less touring bike
> >> geometry.)
> >> 1958 Herse randonneur
>
> >> The Fargo was meant to combine off road, touring and errand functions
> >> (it has fenders, rack and dyno light) with two wheelsets but Herse
> >> overlaps with the latter two as it does, too, with the second Riv. I
> >> am tempted to ss-ify the Fargo -- we'll see.
>
> >> Oh, and I want Ryan Watson to sell me his fat-tired, Electra Ticino
> >> cruiser fixed gear 
>
> >> It would be nice to add a very light ss 29er; but ss-ifying the Fargo
> >> would to some extent fill that niche.
>
> >> Choices, choices.
>
> >> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Mike  wrote:
> >> > I'm totally ashamed to admit I'm at 5 bikes. That seems excessive.
> >> > There's also a ton of overlap with them. Oh well.
>
> >> > Surly Cross Check--Singlespeed with Albatross bars and used for my
> >> > daily commute to work.
> >> > Surly LHT--Camping/touring all-rounder. A fantastic bike. Maybe my
> >> > favorite due to it's versatility.
> >> > Johsua Bryant--Custom randonneuring bike.
> >> > Rivendell A. Homer Hilson--Purchased new from Rivendell in 2008 and
> >> > the bike I will never part with. Probably the bike with the most
> >> > sentimental attachment as I've toured, randonneured and explored on
> >> > this bike extensively.
> >> > Rivendell Quickbeam--Purchased used off this list.
>
> >> > Chances are good that in the fall I'll sell the CC. The Albatross bars
> >> > that are on it now will go on the LHT for winter commuting duties.
> >> > Maybe I'll add another bike next year, perhaps a Surly Troll set-up as
> >> > an all road touring camping mountain bike machine. I think what I'd
> >> > really like to add would be a Surly Big Dummy but storage is the issue
> >> > for that.
>
> >> > --mike
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[RBW] Re: New Hillborne

[Peter Pesce]

Great looking Sam!

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[RBW] Re: Vermont Rides/Camping

[newenglandbike]

I rode through VT last year-  what a beautiful state. There are
lots of places to camp, not all of them 'designated'.Usually I
just ride until it is about an hour before dark, then start thinking
about a spot for camping.If you are on less-traveled roads or in
national forest areas, you'll find something.Just don't leave too
many beer cans and cigarette butts behind and you're good to go.*
Best of luck and have fun!

-Matt



*clue for the humorless:  kidding.   thanks


On Jun 20, 8:39 am, Zack  wrote:
> Hey All -
>
> I live in Burlington, VT, and would like to start doing some overnight
> camping trips in VT.  I am researching good spots to do the
> overnights, and figured I would ask on here as well.  Have any of you
> done any in VT?
>
> A lot of what I am finding for state park camping is more like car-
> camping, (with a bunch of campsites clustered together/showers/
> firewood/firepit, etc. - which is okay, but not really what I am
> looking for.) I would like to camp somewhere that I am by myself,
> maybe have a nice view, and have a chance to get away.  I thought it
> would be worth asking on here, as some may have experience.
>
> Any help?  Appreciate it in advance!

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[RBW] Re: New Hillborne

[Zack]

Looks great!  Happy riding.

On Jun 20, 8:13 am, Ray Shine  wrote:
> Very nice!  Great color. The whole thing is well done.
>
>
>
> >
> >From: John L 
> >To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> >Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 3:53 PM
> >Subject: [RBW] New Hillborne
>
> >pics here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/34864597@N00/sets/72157626993100778/
>
> >Loving the ride.  Have the handlebars way up where I couldn't get them
> >on my Long Haul Trucker, and it's fantastic.  My bottom will need to
> >get reacquainted with the Brooks I'm riding, as I think my weight is
> >just a bit differently distributed.  Was a little nervous about the
> >Jack Brown Greens, given that I'm on the bigger side, but loved the
> >ride and they even handled some of the packed dirt/gravel roads near
> >me without a fuss.
>
> >Really loving the Acorn medium/large saddlebag.  Fits what I like to
> >bring with me for a leisurely afternoon on the bike (camera, snack
> >food, extra water bottle, basic repair stuff, haven't tried rain
> >jacket but there are D-rings and an extra set of leather straps -
> >purchased separately - for afixing one).  And the tapered design means
> >I don't even know it's there; no bagman style support needed.  Quick
> >run to the local supermarket and LBS, was able to fit a bag of baby
> >carrots, Sabra style hummus container, bag of trail mix, 32oz juice
> >bottle, wallet (overstuffed), cell phone, keys, above mentioned repair
> >stuff (tire levers & patch kit, multi tool, leatherman) and used the
> >leather fasteners (not the extra straps) to carry a U-lock, pedal
> >wrench, and mini frame pump.  Someone smarter at packing could
> >probably get a good deal more out of it.  Someone stupider (or at
> >least more reckless) too.
>
> >Thanks again to Dick & Dick Denning at the Country Bike Shop for the
> >great service and build!
>
> >Cheers
>
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[RBW] Re: Vermont Rides/Camping

[Zack]

Also, if you don't live in Vermont, how do you go about choosing
places to go on your S24O's?  I know that part of the beauty of the
S24O is the spontaneity - but would love some guidance on how you got
started.

On Jun 20, 8:39 am, Zack  wrote:
> Hey All -
>
> I live in Burlington, VT, and would like to start doing some overnight
> camping trips in VT.  I am researching good spots to do the
> overnights, and figured I would ask on here as well.  Have any of you
> done any in VT?
>
> A lot of what I am finding for state park camping is more like car-
> camping, (with a bunch of campsites clustered together/showers/
> firewood/firepit, etc. - which is okay, but not really what I am
> looking for.) I would like to camp somewhere that I am by myself,
> maybe have a nice view, and have a chance to get away.  I thought it
> would be worth asking on here, as some may have experience.
>
> Any help?  Appreciate it in advance!

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[RBW] Re: HS

[Peter Pesce]

What a fun game! Here's my guess...
This is the prototype for the commuter/city bike Grant mentioned a while 
ago.
But, I think, Riv wants to have a sample size greater than 1 to assess the 
various ideas on the bike, so the idea of a "limited edition" of higher-end 
prototypes is a pretty good one. I'm also guessing that this is a test of 
concepts, not fabrication efficiency or build quality, like you would ask 
for from a factory. By hand-building all the frames locally, Grant can 
observe, fiddle, and tweak as necessary. Oh, and the R&D gets paid for by 
the customers, which is probably a big deal if things are as lean as they 
sound at Riv HQ.
I agree with others that the front derailer issue probably stems from the 
inclusion of the bottom bracket hand grip that we saw mocked up in bar tape 
a couple of months ago. Doesn't mean there couldn't be a work-around, but 
declaring "no FD" heads off any potential whining...
As for the "mystery option" - brake type is a pretty good guess - Riv is 
probably interested to see how many takers there are for canti or sidepull. 
I'd LOVE to see them offer center-pull braze-ons, but I doubt it. The other 
option could be dropouts - horizontal or vertical.
No clue what the "HS" stands for!

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[RBW] Vermont Rides/Camping

[Zack]

Hey All -

I live in Burlington, VT, and would like to start doing some overnight
camping trips in VT.  I am researching good spots to do the
overnights, and figured I would ask on here as well.  Have any of you
done any in VT?

A lot of what I am finding for state park camping is more like car-
camping, (with a bunch of campsites clustered together/showers/
firewood/firepit, etc. - which is okay, but not really what I am
looking for.) I would like to camp somewhere that I am by myself,
maybe have a nice view, and have a chance to get away.  I thought it
would be worth asking on here, as some may have experience.

Any help?  Appreciate it in advance!

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Re: [RBW] New Hillborne

[Ray Shine]

Very nice!  Great color. The whole thing is well done.




>
>From: John L 
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 3:53 PM
>Subject: [RBW] New Hillborne
>
>pics here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34864597@N00/sets/72157626993100778/
>
>Loving the ride.  Have the handlebars way up where I couldn't get them
>on my Long Haul Trucker, and it's fantastic.  My bottom will need to
>get reacquainted with the Brooks I'm riding, as I think my weight is
>just a bit differently distributed.  Was a little nervous about the
>Jack Brown Greens, given that I'm on the bigger side, but loved the
>ride and they even handled some of the packed dirt/gravel roads near
>me without a fuss.
>
>Really loving the Acorn medium/large saddlebag.  Fits what I like to
>bring with me for a leisurely afternoon on the bike (camera, snack
>food, extra water bottle, basic repair stuff, haven't tried rain
>jacket but there are D-rings and an extra set of leather straps -
>purchased separately - for afixing one).  And the tapered design means
>I don't even know it's there; no bagman style support needed.  Quick
>run to the local supermarket and LBS, was able to fit a bag of baby
>carrots, Sabra style hummus container, bag of trail mix, 32oz juice
>bottle, wallet (overstuffed), cell phone, keys, above mentioned repair
>stuff (tire levers & patch kit, multi tool, leatherman) and used the
>leather fasteners (not the extra straps) to carry a U-lock, pedal
>wrench, and mini frame pump.  Someone smarter at packing could
>probably get a good deal more out of it.  Someone stupider (or at
>least more reckless) too.
>
>Thanks again to Dick & Dick Denning at the Country Bike Shop for the
>great service and build!
>
>Cheers
>
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Re: [RBW] ISO: 36 hole dynohub

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 07:23 -0400, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:
> Patek Philippe ads, almost verbatim

I don't think I mentioned, this conversation took place in August of
1997.

> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jun 19, 2011, at 5:45 PM, "Steve Palincsar"  wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 15:29 -0600, Bertin753 wrote:
> >> Cheap Herse!! Cheap Herse!! Actually, given the build I got and the price 
> >> asked, as well as the trade for the S12 kit and at-cost custom bag, it was 
> >> indeed a cheap Herse!
> >> 
> > 
> > That was just the introductory offer.  Just like with credit cards and
> > cable service, once the introductory period is over, rates rise to their
> > "normal" levels.
> > 
> > I was at a tandem rally some years ago, and at a break a guy drove up in
> > a beautifully restored XKE Jaguar.  We had a great conversation.  He
> > said something I never will forget:  "When you have a car like this, you
> > don't actually 'own' it, you are just the custodian, taking care of it
> > for future generations."  Same with classic bicycles.  



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[RBW] Re: The bike collection (or hoard?)

[Esteban]

Here's Grant's quote from Riv Reader #42:
"seven is good. a beater, a bomber, a single-speed, a tour- ing bike,
a lightish road bike, a do-all racked and bagged bike, a mixte, a
loaner, and a work in progress. seven? Make it nine."

Bikes are fun.  I like to think about tire size;

28cm -- Riv Road Custom S&S couplers 700c (58cm) - "lightish-road"
32cm -- Ebisu Randonneuse 700c (58cm) "..."
36cm -- Kogswell P/R city hauler 650B (58cm) "beater"
38cm -- Velo Cult Demontable all-road randonneuse 650B (58cm) "bomber"
42cm -- Rivendell Protovelo town & country tourer 650B (60cm) "do-all
racked and bagged"
52cm -- Black Sheep Ti Custom S&S couplers adventure tour ATB 700c
(56cm) "tour-ing"

The un-built 60cm orange Quickbeam in my office, and perhaps the
Protovelo may go one day.  I'd now like a Brompton for my wife and I
both to use, as I'd need to just accept the inferior ride quality that
comes with convenience.  Really, I'm "set."  Recent mortgage makes
that more so!

On Jun 20, 7:14 am, rob markwardt  wrote:
> If I was a millionaire who lived in a mansion I'd have a hundred
> bikes….but I'm teacher living in a 1922 bungalow so I have eight/
> plus.  A few are always in the  process of change/updates, a couple
> always need repair, and one or two always get the most miles.  In
> order of most milege
>
> Bleriot- My main bike from October through May...currently needs some
> derailleur repair.
> Green Rambouillet - I don't randonneur but if I do it would be on
> this.
> 71 Paramount - If there's little chance of rain and I'm staying on the
> road I'm riding this.
> 88 RockCombo - I've been riding this a lot recently.  Fat-tired,
> fendered, hop on and go.
> 72 Puegeot PX10 - I rarely ride this but I don't know whymight be
> that 45/28 low gear.  Still, every time I get on it I go wow.
> 74 Hetchins Spyder - Understated...for Hetchins,  Italian race style
> geometry.  Currently a wall hanger...missing a few parts...summer
> project.
> 79 Univega Gran Turismo - Currently in frame mode...replaced by
> RockCombo...sadly collecting dust.  Can't seem to sell it, will give
> to anybody who will ride it...
> 77 Trek...Frame, fenders...recently purchased from list member Marty.
> Other summer project.  This is a beauty that I can't wait to get on
> the road.
>
> Also a few kid bikes, wife's bike, free bike found on corner, etc.
> I'd like to get down to a smaller number but until the internet goes
> away I doubt that will be happening soon.
>
> Rob

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Re: [RBW] ISO: 36 hole dynohub

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Patek Philippe ads, almost verbatim

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 19, 2011, at 5:45 PM, "Steve Palincsar"  wrote:

> On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 15:29 -0600, Bertin753 wrote:
>> Cheap Herse!! Cheap Herse!! Actually, given the build I got and the price 
>> asked, as well as the trade for the S12 kit and at-cost custom bag, it was 
>> indeed a cheap Herse!
>> 
> 
> That was just the introductory offer.  Just like with credit cards and
> cable service, once the introductory period is over, rates rise to their
> "normal" levels.
> 
> I was at a tandem rally some years ago, and at a break a guy drove up in
> a beautifully restored XKE Jaguar.  We had a great conversation.  He
> said something I never will forget:  "When you have a car like this, you
> don't actually 'own' it, you are just the custodian, taking care of it
> for future generations."  Same with classic bicycles.  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: HS

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 19:57 -0700, Bill M. wrote:
> 
> FD is not an option = seat tube angle is too shallow for normal FD's
> to work without the cage hitting the chainstay, so no provision will
> be made for one.
> 

If you can solve the common problem of front derailleur angle on small
wheelers with a braze-on bracket that incorporates the necessary
back-angle, why couldn't you use a braze-on derailleur bracket with the
opposite angle, tipping the derailleur forward a bit, to correct for a
too-shallow seat angle?  

Or if not a braze-on bracket, how about a stub front derailleur mounting
tube set at the correct angle, as found on RANS crank-forward bikes like
this:  http://www.ransbikes.com/Fusion-N.htm  ?   The Fusion-N looks
like its seat angle is down around 45 degrees or less, and it has a
front derailleur.






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