Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[Joe Bernard]

I vote for the Roadeo because Kelly's right, this is a Rivendell forum; and 
they're totally bitchin. 

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[RBW] Re: Trail Recommendation Database?

[Philip Williamson]

I like that by posting links here, we can use any mapping site we
like, which seems 5x as inclusive.
A short description of length, difficulty, and location, along with
the link is probably useful for long-term searchability. City, County/
Parish, state, length, road surface ('mixed terrain'), and features
like "ocean" or "mountains" might be good keywords to include. If
they're posted to this thread, "database" would filter for it, since
that's not a word I see on the list very often.

 Philip

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On Jan 3, 5:25 pm, "Bill M."  wrote:
> Strava is tied to GPS recording, and seems a little too oriented to
> "look how fast I did this climb" for my taste.  The home page says
> "Track your progress and compete against friends".  Not really the
> attitude I expect prevails around this list.  I don't need to share my
> watt output with the world to share a nice bike route.
>
> Bikely or Map My Ride might work better for route sharing and
> searching without a competitive attitude.  Both have some tagging
> capability, but "mixed terrain'' doesn't seem to be a category either
> has caught on to.
>
> Gmap-pedometer is a pretty basic tool that allows you to build and
> save routes in Google maps without logins or memberships.  The route
> names are strictly numeric as far as I can tell, which makes searching
> them difficult, but they can be shared publicly.  Here's one (paved)
> route I created as an example:
>
> http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=3765211
>
> Bill
>
> On Jan 3, 8:44 am, TSW  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Yes, I've never figured out how to save routes the way one could in
> > Yahoo Maps.
>
> > But this is quite cool: you use its smartphone app or a GPS, and it
> > maps your route, which you can post, share, etc.
>
> >http://www.strava.com/rides/my-revenge-x2-at-montezuma-grade-2856587
>
> > Notice that you can get avg speed in various segments.  I'm guessing
> > they're crowd-sourced named.
>
> > Searching isn't great, it seems.  I wonder if it'd be possible to
> > create a public "Riv-ish" collection of routes.
>
> > Tse-Sung
> > Berkeley
>
> > On Jan 3, 12:26 am, Philip Williamson 
> > wrote:
>
> > > I made a map, added the phrase "Rivendell Friendly" to it, and tried
> > > to find it, both in GMaps, and in GGoogle. There doesn't seem to be
> > > any searchability in personal maps, even if they're public. Ideally, I
> > > could zoom in on Orange County, type "Rivendell Ride" in the maps
> > > search and find five or six mapped rides, but I can't. I imagine
> > > that's on the agenda for Google, someday, but not today.
>
> > > I agree with Tse-Tsung that a database of "Rivendell" rides would be
> > > dynamite. I like easy, I like central, so I'd vote for a thread here.
>
> > > Here's a test map for a route I saved: a mixed terrain ride from
> > > McMinnville, Oregon to the Flying M ranch, where bike events are
> > > sometimes held.
>
> > > So: link, description, location-specific 
> > > keywords.http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=208780260535319597769.0004b57dbfa...
> > > "Bicycle route from Tommy's Bike Shop in McMinnville to the Flying M
> > > Ranch in Yamhill. Mixed Terrain, Rivendell friendly Willamette Valley
> > > ride. Lots of gravel, some climbing. Staying off of Westside Road,
> > > because there's no shoulder, low visibility, and the hay trucks go
> > > 70mph.
> > > McMinnville, Carlton, Yamhill, Oregon, 97128, Southwest of Portland,
> > > OR."
>
> > >  Philip
>
> > > Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
>
> > > On Jan 2, 2:04 pm, Philip Williamson 
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > I used Bikely a few years ago, but now I've mostly plotted things out
> > > > in Google Maps, usually after the ride. My MO is to set out, get lost,
> > > > get found, and have a good time.
>
> > > > I just tagged a Google map I made yesterday (in 97128 zip) as
> > > > "Rivendell friendly," but I can't see how to search public maps. It
> > > > may just take a while to propagate. If it works, we can simply make
> > > > our maps, tag them consistently, and done. Ideally, you can go to
> > > > "Carlton OR" on Google Maps and search for 'rivendell.' It's a mixed-
> > > > terrain route from the McMinnville bike shop to the Flying M ranch (I
> > > > want to attend a bike thing there in May).
> > > >  Philip
> > > > Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
>
> > > > On Jan 2, 10:54 am, TSW  wrote:
>
> > > > > hi all,
> > > > > Sorry if this has been discussed already- is there a place where
> > > > > people have posted or can post trail recommendations?  Could be a
> > > > > thread here... or a Google spreadsheet perhaps?  I know there must be
> > > > > online resources... I was thinking something that's a bit more Riv-
> > > > > ish- country biking and all that- a mix of road and not terribly
> > > > > technical off-road.
>
> > > > > TIA,
> > > > > Tse-Sung
> > > > > Berkeley
>
> > > > > ps- yesterday, in our neck o' the woods, I started at Inspiration
> > > > > Point in Tilden and took a trail down int

[RBW] Re: Quickbeam vs SimpleOne

[newenglandbike]

You could use an old 120mm 5-speed, which can still be found.

On Tuesday, January 3, 2012 10:39:40 PM UTC-5, Allan in Portland wrote:
>
> IIRC, the rear spacing is 120mm. I suppose one could spring it to 126 to 
> fit an old 5 or 6 speed, but I'm not sure that still qualifies as "easily".
>
> Regards,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[newenglandbike]

"I am not interested in fenders or tires larger than 28, nor am I 
interested (for the purposes of this discussion) in fineness of joinery or 
cosmetic details. Just fit (or potential for fit) and, above all, handling."

In that case you should just get early 80's Centurion LeMans, Raliegh 
Comp., Nishiki International, Panasonic, or similar for like half what you 
will pay for the RB1.   Great bikes.  There are plenty of bikes just as 
good if not better than an RB1 in the above respects, without the RB1's 
attendant cache & price tag (which is in no small part due to the 
subsequent success of Rivendell).   Not to downplay Bridgestone-   cool 
catalogs, innovative ideas (but the RB1 was not one of them).

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[RBW] Re: "Half-step + granny" gearing...

[newenglandbike]

I used to have a half-step+granny gearing on my Sequoia (but went to a 
touring triple now).I use an 8-speed in the back with the DO spacing 
spread to 130. I have to agree that with an 8-speed, you definitely *do 
not* need the half-step/granny setup. To really leverage half-step 
gearing you're just going to be shifting almost twice as often and would 
have to be really, really finicky about cadence.


Matt

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam vs SimpleOne

[Scott G.]

Phil Wood freewheel hubs can be ordered with 120mm end caps for 5 speed use.
You can then buy new end caps to make the hub 130mm, a handy hub 
for bob bikes.

Now is someone could put Suntour freewheels back into production we'd
be in business. 

Eric how do you like the S3X ?
I'm looking for a hub gear that will stay in gear.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam vs SimpleOne

[Eric Norris]

So far, so good with the S3X. I have this hub on two different bikes, and both 
are working fine. The only issue so far is that the hubs don't like to shift 
under a load. If you're already grinding up a hill, it's too late to shift 
(unless you can somehow soft pedal for a moment). Other than that, all is well. 
They are definitely a conversation starter.

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On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:25 AM, "Scott G."  wrote:

> Phil Wood freewheel hubs can be ordered with 120mm end caps for 5 speed use.
> You can then buy new end caps to make the hub 130mm, a handy hub 
> for bob bikes.
> 
> Now is someone could put Suntour freewheels back into production we'd
> be in business. 
> 
> Eric how do you like the S3X ?
> I'm looking for a hub gear that will stay in gear.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[PATRICK MOORE]

I'm puzzled: baiting? Not the slightest intention of doing that. I do want
to know why Roadeo owners prefer that bike to other road bikes.

Anyone?

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:

> Well then Patrick maybe you should try the ugly bike fitness forum.  I'm
> sorry last I looked I was in a Rivendell owners forums where Riv's need not
> be defended.   Really you think anyone else on here can give you a review
> of how a Roadeo will fit you?  Do you really think a 20lb bike is too heavy
> for you 28mm tires?
>
> Consider your baiting a success.. and thanks for the laugh.. :)
>
> Happy New Year
>
> Kelly
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Ah, I get it: mine came across as denying the superiority of the Roadeo
with the various models listed as counter examples. Sorry; I merely wanted
Kelly to be more clear about his reasons.

I've long thought of a Roadeo but the cost also makes me wonder if it is
really so much better than RB1, Calfee, etc etc etc (all used), or for that
matter a, say, new Dave Porter.


On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:31 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> I'm puzzled: baiting? Not the slightest intention of doing that. I do want
> to know why Roadeo owners prefer that bike to other road bikes.
>
> Anyone?
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote:
>
>> Well then Patrick maybe you should try the ugly bike fitness forum.  I'm
>> sorry last I looked I was in a Rivendell owners forums where Riv's need not
>> be defended.   Really you think anyone else on here can give you a review
>> of how a Roadeo will fit you?  Do you really think a 20lb bike is too heavy
>> for you 28mm tires?
>>
>> Consider your baiting a success.. and thanks for the laugh.. :)
>>
>> Happy New Year
>>
>> Kelly
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[RBW] SRAM Automatix versus Sturmey Archer S2 Duomatic on SimpleOne

[David Spranger]

I am thinking about building up my SimpleOne (thank you Riv Sale!) with one 
of these two hubs. Does anyone here have any experience (good or bad) with 
either of both of these hubs?

Thank you,

David
Charlotte, NC

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[Tim Whalen]

Patrick,

I can well understand your desire to get the "right" bike and spend no more
than the "right" amount of money doing so.  Perhaps though your question is
moving into a kind of bicycle metaphysics where there really is no
completely rational way of deciding?  That being said (asked?) I'll try to
help with my own completely subjective Roadeo experience.  ;-)

Subjectively then:  My Roadeo's ride is somehow more energetic/responsive
than a Rambouillet's, and I love that ride too.  It's a beautiful bike,
feels great to ride, and I wouldn't be too fast to discount those wider
tires either.  I ride mine sometimes with 35'ish xc tires on the packed
dirt Santa Fe trail and it's a fast blast.  I bet you might find the same
on the Bosque.

Plus I imagine you could always sell it just fine.  This being the Riv
forum, maybe the useful philosophical question for you is isn't life too
short not to try this end of the Rivendell bicycle spectrum?

Good luck with your excellent quandary!
Tim Whalen

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:46 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Ah, I get it: mine came across as denying the superiority of the Roadeo
> with the various models listed as counter examples. Sorry; I merely wanted
> Kelly to be more clear about his reasons.
>
> I've long thought of a Roadeo but the cost also makes me wonder if it is
> really so much better than RB1, Calfee, etc etc etc (all used), or for that
> matter a, say, new Dave Porter.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:31 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
>> I'm puzzled: baiting? Not the slightest intention of doing that. I do
>> want to know why Roadeo owners prefer that bike to other road bikes.
>>
>> Anyone?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote:
>>
>>> Well then Patrick maybe you should try the ugly bike fitness forum.  I'm
>>> sorry last I looked I was in a Rivendell owners forums where Riv's need not
>>> be defended.   Really you think anyone else on here can give you a review
>>> of how a Roadeo will fit you?  Do you really think a 20lb bike is too heavy
>>> for you 28mm tires?
>>>
>>> Consider your baiting a success.. and thanks for the laugh.. :)
>>>
>>> Happy New Year
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[Patrick in VT]

On Jan 4, 9:46 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

>Ah, I get it: mine came across as denying the superiority of the Roadeo
>with the various models listed as counter examples. Sorry; I merely wanted
>Kelly to be more clear about his reasons.

> I've long thought of a Roadeo but the cost also makes me wonder if it is
> really so much better than RB1, Calfee, etc etc etc (all used), or for that
> matter a, say, new Dave Porter.

"Better" is often simply a matter of personal preference, assuming one
has been it at it long enough to develop preferences.  Nobody is going
to be able to tell you that a bike is objectively better than another
and you probably know that.  which is why it seems like baiting.
spending a few afternoons test riding some new road bikes and getting
a sense of how they feel based on your preferences will probably get
you closer to a decision than soliciting opinions from folks that may
have very different preferences than you, especially when it comes to
fit (which is highly variable) and handling (which is highly
subjective).

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[Bill Carter]

Kelly writes:

"Well then Patrick maybe you should try the ugly bike fitness forum.
I'm sorry last I looked I was in a Rivendell owners forums where Riv's
need not be defended.   Really you think anyone else on here can give
you a review of how a Roadeo will fit you?  Do you really think a 20lb
bike is too heavy for you 28mm tires?"

Don't be so touchy, Kelly.  Patrick doesn't really need defending,
but  I've read countless of his posts over the years and he is always
entertaining, very pro-Riv, and a valuable asset here.  I think he
really just wants to hear your reasoning.

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RE: [RBW] SRAM Automatix versus Sturmey Archer S2 Duomatic on SimpleOne

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I have an S2 DuoMatic on a reno'd MB-2.  Pedals go on tonight and I can give 
you a report, but not on reliability, obviously.


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Subject: [RBW] SRAM Automatix versus Sturmey Archer S2 Duomatic on SimpleOne

I am thinking about building up my SimpleOne (thank you Riv Sale!) with one of 
these two hubs. Does anyone here have any experience (good or bad) with either 
of both of these hubs?

Thank you,

David
Charlotte, NC

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[Joe Bernard]

I think coming to the Riv forum to state you don't care about how the tubes 
are connected; or how good it looks; is ever so slightly "baiting". The 
fact that the Roadeo is meticulously designed, built, painted, and ends up 
gorgeous..is at least half of what you're paying for. Nobody buys a 
Rivendell simply because it "handles better". 
 
Joe "I should buy one" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Best to consider the source in evaluating a comment or remark.  Patrick is a 
(rightly) respected member of this group (Kelly, too, for that matter); to me, 
at least, that would argue for opting for the more constructive of two 
competing interpretations.

But there's a world of difference between modestly edgy comments (perfectly 
acceptable to me, including a comment that one doesn't care how tubes are 
connected) and the sort of flaming which is blessedly absent from this forum.  
I think we mostly know it when we see it.


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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bernard
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 11:20 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

I think coming to the Riv forum to state you don't care about how the tubes are 
connected; or how good it looks; is ever so slightly "baiting". The fact that 
the Roadeo is meticulously designed, built, painted, and ends up gorgeous..is 
at least half of what you're paying for. Nobody buys a Rivendell simply because 
it "handles better".

Joe "I should buy one" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[Joe Bernard]

And Patrick knows darn well that it's the dead of winter; full of holiday 
stress and not enough riding; and thus the perfect time to throw a little 
bait to a frustrated pack of riders. The boy ain't stupid. ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam vs SimpleOne

[Peter Pesce]

Oh man. All this talk of "no-brainers" - You guys have my credit card 
finger starting to itch!

Does anyone know if a long reach caliper brake will work in front? I know 
the frame is designed for cantis but I kind of like the simplicity of a 
sidepull on a single-speed. I can always use the canti studs to mount a 
rack, so they're not just sittin' there.

Also, what's the max width tire that will fit on the "budget" SO wheels - a 
Mavic Open Sport rim I think?

Thanks,

Pete (SingleSixtySidepullSam)

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RE: [RBW] Re: New Year morning ride

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Sounds like a great ride -- love to do it, boys. 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:37 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: New Year morning ride

Hey Bobby,
Montclair misses you..let's do that ride.  BTW, what's the status of 
RivRideEast2?  Myself and I'm sure, others are looking forward to it.
The first was a great time and I've enjoyed reading posts here by some of the 
people I met there.  I also have gotten the itch to do a S24O when the weather 
turns again.  The sale was perfectly timed and I picked up a Platrack and 
sleeping bag.  Any other eastsiders have some good ideas of where to ride and 
camp?
Thanks,
-Norman
On Jan 3, 3:47 pm, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:
> But what Montclair may lack in pure vertical climb it more than makes 
> up for with its cool restaurants, music/theatre venues, celebrities 
> and Complete Streets / cool bike vibe... and Norm Rosenbloom...  Let's 
> get together and ride... I've got a cool Montclair loop up through the 
> Caldwells, mostly off-road.
>
> Peace,
>
> "Montclair" Bobby Birmingham
> MHS Class of '76
>
> On Jan 1, 9:07 pm, Norman  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Where I am in New Jersey we don't have high mountains and unspoiled 
> > rivers.  But it was a relatively balmy 1/1 morning and I set out on 
> > my
> > 1 year old Hillborne to do a one to two hour variation of one of the 
> > usual rides from my home.  I thought to bring a camera and here are 
> > the results.  Best wishes to all.
> > Norman- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam vs SimpleOne

[Jim Mather]

I don't know about the brake. On my QB with Open Sport I'm currently
running 700x40 Marathon Supremes, but I did run 700x50 Big Apples just
fine.

Scratch that itch!

jim m
wc ca

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:

> Oh man. All this talk of "no-brainers" - You guys have my credit card
> finger starting to itch!
>
> Does anyone know if a long reach caliper brake will work in front? I know
> the frame is designed for cantis but I kind of like the simplicity of a
> sidepull on a single-speed. I can always use the canti studs to mount a
> rack, so they're not just sittin' there.
>
> Also, what's the max width tire that will fit on the "budget" SO wheels -
> a Mavic Open Sport rim I think?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pete (SingleSixtySidepullSam)
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[RBW] Re: First Chance 200K 1-1-12

[Ely Rodriguez]

Really nice images! I hope to be able to do this one year, if it works out 
with our family schedule.
Ely

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[RBW] Re: Fender Frustration

[Chris]

My wife's Betty also has rubbing on the front/right tip of the fender when 
the bike steers to the right.  The bike has 50mm Honjo installed with 
35mm Soma Xpress tires.  I kinda wish the Mark's rack had a boss, like the 
Mini front, which could be used to secure the front tip of the fender.  The 
older version of Mark's rack came with a longer diving board plate, whose 
front tip can be used as a stay for the fender.  But the longer version of 
the spring board is no longer being sold.   

Or maybe a washer needs to be loosened.  I need to play around with it a 
bit more...

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[RBW] Rivers, Bridges, and a Forest

[Smitty-A-Go-Go]

A few days ago a buddy and I set out on an AHH and a LHT to explore the 
unfamiliar (to us) reaches of north Portland. 

Pictures show some of what we found...  
https://picasaweb.google.com/54canoe/NewYearsEveDayRide2011?authuser=0&feat=directlink
 


--Smitty

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[RBW] 62cm Rivendell Quickbeam in Silver, $1200

[Mattt]

Hello Folks,
 
Thanks for the discussion on selling a bike.  It was informative.  After a 
discussion with the wife , I am selling my Quickbeam.  I am selling it for 
the price I purchased it from John on this forum at $1200.  I thought I 
would give the forum first crack before I put it on Ebay.  If it is not 
sold by Sunday evening, it is going on Ebay.  The bike is in great 
condition, barely ridden, and the pictures show.  I am in Monterey, CA for 
local pickup.  I will ship it out anywhere in US for actual cost of box, 
shipping, etc, which I am estimating at $120.  In person, I will accept 
cash, USPS money order, but no personal check.  If through mail, I will 
accept Paypal, USPS money order, but no personal check (If you send a money 
order, I will ship the bike when payment is received.)Below if a list 
of components and a link for pictures.  If you want any additional pictures 
let me know.
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/47326059@N08/sets/72157628706557715/
 
Nitto Technomic Deluxe Stem 25.4mm with 11cm of reach
 
Nitto Albatross Bar 55cm - 25.4mm 

Black Brooks B17 Saddle

Tektro MTB 3.0 Shifters

Tektro CR720 canti Brakes (Front and Rear)

Tange Levin Headset

Shinamo 105 front hub on Mavic Open Sport Rims

Suzue Rear Hub on Mavic Open Sport Rims

Jack Brown 700x33.3 Blue Label on both rims

Sugino XD2 Quickmeam 40tx32t Crank with 175mm arms

Shimano BB-UN54 Bottom Bracket 

Shimano MX30 16t Freewheel

MKS Grip King Pedals

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam vs SimpleOne

[Andrew]

The SO has a kickstand plate where the QB has a tube, down between the
chainstays, behind the bottom bracket. I think that's about it... I saw a
sweet SO at Berkeley Bowl today, on my way home, with nice soft tape on
moustache bars. It had the ginormous Wald basket and platracks to hold it
up. I looked for someone inside, carting a large Sackville basket bag, but
the crush of seasoned humanity was too great, I did not espy them.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:34 PM, nathan spindel  wrote:

> Aside from the paint and country of origin, are there any tangible
> differences (geometry, fork, tubing, etc) between the Quickbeam and
> SimpleOne? I've ridden a QB and liked it, but have never tested a SimpleOne
> so I don't know how they compare. That sale is tempting.
>
> -nathan
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Rivendell Rambouillet

[Duy Tran]

I bought it from someone in LA who was selling it, he had it in
pristine condition as he did not ride it often. He did not know what
the specs are so I don't know. I have been to lazy myself to look, if
you want to know what they are I can easily find it out myself. The
amount of teeth on the crank chainrings and rear cassette were not a
big deal to me as I just saw a bike I wanted at the time and just
wanted to ride. After riding sometime with the rambouillet, and the
type of riding I do I found that this bike is just not for me. The
crank is a sugino but I'm not sure if it is the same as the XD shown
on the rivbike website. I am sad to part with it but it is not the
bike I am looking for and so I rather it go to someone else who wants
the bike and will put it to good use.

Duy

On Dec 30 2011, 12:45 pm, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> What is your history with this bike? Not knowing the number of teeth on the
> crank's chainrings is unusual for a Riv owner.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[dpco]

Patrick,
I can't justify the cost of a new Roadeo to you, but I can explain my 
opinions regarding my feelings about the Roadeo being a dramatic 
improvement over the 531/sl frames of the past. By the way, I still own a 
Basso Loto SLX frameset. First, the my Roadeo frameset is lighter than my 
Basso frameset.
Second, my Roadeo is much more stable on high speed turns( especially on 
ruff surface). Third, I have experienced shimmy on my Basso( the frame has 
very little lateral stiffness). With the modern large diameter, thin walled 
steel tubes, the Roadeo is very stiff laterally( no shimmy, whatsoever). 
However, the frameset still has the vertical springy,steel feeling. And 
this is with a fairly, stiff fork. Some people will not feel these 
differences, but to me, I notice this immediately. This may not justify the 
cost difference, but to me it was worth it. "To each its own"
Don C.

On Tuesday, January 3, 2012 6:59:01 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> OK: That's what I want to hear. Please give reasons -- details: handling, 
> fit, comfort etc. -- as to why one might want to pay $4K minimum for a 
> Roadeo compared to half or less for a nice, high end but old road bike like 
> some of those mentioned.
>
> I love my customs' handling; the handling of the Sam Hill was 
> disappointing; the Herse fit like my customs but didn't handle quite as 
> well (tho' that may be due to my preference for higher trail); the '73 
> Motobecane was lighter, uglier and handled almost as well as the customs 
> and fit not quite as well. The Falcon would probably have been a 
> wonderfully fitting and handling bike if I had known (thanks to Grant's 
> intervention) how to set it up. The Calfees and Treks and RB1s have been 
> praised for their handling and fit.
>
> So please give details about why the Roadeo is the unquestioned reasonable 
> choice.
>
> I am not interested in fenders or tires larger than 28, nor am I 
> interested (for the purposes of this discussion) in fineness of joinery or 
> cosmetic details. Just fit (or potential for fit) and, above all, handling.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>
>> Unless its just to save money I don't believe the older race bike are 
>> equal or even close substitute for the Roadeo.  My opinion of course..
>>
>> Kelly
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[RBW] Waned: Rivendell NZ Zip T, X-large, dark color, new or used

[wheelwatcher]

Let me know if you'd like to sell the above shirt. I bought a large
several years ago, wear it all the time, but now the armpits are
tearing and Riv no longer has them in my size. Help or suggestions?
Thanks, Daniel

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[RBW] Suggestions on price please

[Lola]

We bought two Rambouillet bikes new in 2006 and love them. One is blue,
60cm, cost $2617, the other is green, 58cm,  cost $2545. Although well
ridden, they are kept indoors and are in excellent condition. Brooks
saddles look pristine, as does the handlebar tape and just about
everything else, although of course there are a few scratches.
Unfortunately we are now living,  and will be traveling soon, on our
boat and they just take up too much room. We reluctantly need to sell
them.
Any suggestions on price? We live in the SF Bay Area.

Thanks for your help.

Charlotte

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks for all the replies. I am by turns hurt, angered and amused (and
edified) by turn this discussion took and the various responses to what was
probably indeed rather naively particular questions, and I will respond
with my own resolution to adopt Eric Platt's very worthy new year's
resolution, to wag more and bark less.

I suppose my questions were rather too particular for me to reasonably
expect clear replies from everyone, but on the other hand I myself do have
very clear ideas about how the various bikes I've ridden differ in handling
from my two later customs (they are Rivs, as most of you know) which are my
benchmarks for bike handling comparisons. I can say in detail how, for
example, the Herse, Sam Hill and Motobecane handled differently.

I suppose that the reasonable option, right now at any rate, is to get the
necessary clamp on bits to add to my Joe gofast fixie and make it into a
gearie; all the more in that I won't need more than one chainring. Or maybe
not ...

As for the Roadeo, the only possibility right now, anyway, is to have
listmember Ryan Watson buy it, dislike it, and sell it to me at a steep
discount.

Happy new year to all from Patrick Moore who promises to analyze less and
ride more in 2012.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:58 PM, dpco  wrote:

> Patrick,
> I can't justify the cost of a new Roadeo to you, but I can explain my
> opinions regarding my feelings about the Roadeo being a dramatic
> improvement over the 531/sl frames of the past. By the way, I still own a
> Basso Loto SLX frameset. First, the my Roadeo frameset is lighter than my
> Basso frameset.
> Second, my Roadeo is much more stable on high speed turns( especially on
> ruff surface). Third, I have experienced shimmy on my Basso( the frame has
> very little lateral stiffness). With the modern large diameter, thin walled
> steel tubes, the Roadeo is very stiff laterally( no shimmy, whatsoever).
> However, the frameset still has the vertical springy,steel feeling. And
> this is with a fairly, stiff fork. Some people will not feel these
> differences, but to me, I notice this immediately. This may not justify the
> cost difference, but to me it was worth it. "To each its own"
> Don C.
>
> On Tuesday, January 3, 2012 6:59:01 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> OK: That's what I want to hear. Please give reasons -- details: handling,
>> fit, comfort etc. -- as to why one might want to pay $4K minimum for a
>> Roadeo compared to half or less for a nice, high end but old road bike like
>> some of those mentioned.
>>
>> I love my customs' handling; the handling of the Sam Hill was
>> disappointing; the Herse fit like my customs but didn't handle quite as
>> well (tho' that may be due to my preference for higher trail); the '73
>> Motobecane was lighter, uglier and handled almost as well as the customs
>> and fit not quite as well. The Falcon would probably have been a
>> wonderfully fitting and handling bike if I had known (thanks to Grant's
>> intervention) how to set it up. The Calfees and Treks and RB1s have been
>> praised for their handling and fit.
>>
>> So please give details about why the Roadeo is the unquestioned
>> reasonable choice.
>>
>> I am not interested in fenders or tires larger than 28, nor am I
>> interested (for the purposes of this discussion) in fineness of joinery or
>> cosmetic details. Just fit (or potential for fit) and, above all, handling.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>>
>>> Unless its just to save money I don't believe the older race bike are
>>> equal or even close substitute for the Roadeo.  My opinion of course..
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Suggestions on price please

[William]

$1200-$1500 seems to be the going range for those bikes on the second hand 
market.  You might even find buyers on this list.  Best of luck!

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[RBW] Upgrading my Trek 520?

[Rex Kerr]

I have a Trek 520 that I use for loaded touring:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexkerr/3030119147/

The bike is a 25" (~63 cm) frame (near traditional geometry), the largest
that Trek made at the time.  It's too small for me (as a point of
reference, my AHH is a 67 cm frame and I was debating between that and the
69).  I have the seatpost a touch higher than the minimum insertion line, a
threadless stem extender, etc, and it's still just a mediocre fit.

During my last visit to RivHQ I rode the Hunqapillar and really enjoyed the
ride.  After leaving I started to think about the possibility of upgrading
and selling the Trek frame.  I'm thinking of switching over all of the
parts (mostly LX level stuff).  The thing is, I really don't want this to
turn into an expensive endeavor, so I'm trying to get a realistic picture
of what it'd cost.

* Is the Hunqapillar suitable for loaded touring as shown in the linked
picture?  How about the SH?  The SH is cheaper, but I'm afraid that it's
too similar in ride to my AHH, and I do want some variety.

* Other than the stem and possibly handlebars (due to clamp diameter issues
w/ quill stems), would the other parts be compatible?  I'm thinking that I
might also have problems w/ the BB spindle length and the f-der clamp
diameter.  Any other issues that I might be overlooking?  The Trek uses a
135 mm rear hub and has V brakes.

* Is the 64 cm Hunqapillar (largest size) notably bigger than the Trek?
 Same question for the SH.  My guess is that it is due to the sloping top
tube vs. the Trek's traditional geometry.  Since I was only riding the
Hunqapillar for the fun of it while visiting I didn't really think much
about the fit, and it had Albatross bars and Big Apples, so it wasn't
really set up  the way my Trek is (though that might be worth considering
as a touring setup).

* How much do you think that I could reasonably expect to get for the Trek
frame?  It's is good condition, though shows the normal wear... a few minor
scratches and light dings, nothing major, no dents, always stored in garage
and parked indoors except while touring.

Anything else that I might be overlooking?

Thanks!
-Rex

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[William]

Patrick

>From my perspective the discussion went sideways because your position came 
off as:

A Roadeo costs >$4k
I will not spend that much
I want a used racing bike
I challenge you to convince me that a used racing bike is guaranteed to 
make me unhappy in the ways that a $4k new Roadeo is guaranteed to make me 
happy
Anything about tire clearance fenders, aesthetics, construction quality are 
explicitly off-limits 

That might not be a fair restatement of your intent, but it is a truthful 
summary of my perception of your position.  I didn't engage because it 
looked to me like a rhetorical trap.  

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[RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[William]

Rex

That's exciting to plan out a touring bike that fits you properly!  My 
opinions:

Hilsen-->Hillborne-->Hunqa-->Bombadil in ascending order of "stoutness". 
 The Bombadil would be ideal, but it's the most expensive.  

You seem to have the parts compatibility stuff mapped right.  The front 
derailer aspect I overlooked on my first build was that there is so much BB 
drop and such a slack seat tube that a mountain bike front der hit the 
chainstay.  Get your front der from Riv when you get the frameset.  Another 
part might be the huge chainrings that road triple runs.  Most Hunqas get a 
24 36 48 or thereabouts.  There might be a chainring clearance issue in 
your BB worries.  

Size, that's an empirical question.  compare the numbers.  Map them out on 
a huge sheet of paper.  Grant taught us how to do that last summer, and I 
do it for every bike now.  I'd wager the answer is yes, the big hunqa and 
big Bomba are much bigger than your Trek

That 520 frameset would probably get you $200-$300.  That's my vibe on the 
second hand market.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[Rex Kerr]

Thanks for the thoughts...

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:35 AM, William  wrote:
> Hilsen-->Hillborne-->Hunqa-->Bombadil in ascending order of "stoutness".
> The Bombadil would be ideal, but it's the most expensive.

Yeah, and out of my price range! :-)  I already blew my budget on my AHH.

I forgot to mention that the picture that I linked is about four years old
and there were a few changes...  I long ago replaced the stock 105 crankset
[what a stupid choice on Trek's part!] with a compact triple (22-42), and
an XT f-der, so that issue probably wouldn't matter.  Which f-der did you
end up with to avoid the compatibility issue?

Another issue that I saw mentioned on the rivbike site is that the seattube
diameter might be different, requiring a different seatpost, but that's
relatively inexpensive (or, at least, it can be).

> Size, that's an empirical question.  compare the numbers.  Map them out
on a huge sheet of paper.  Grant taught us how to do that last summer, and
I do it for every bike now.  I'd wager the answer is yes, the big hunqa and
big Bomba are much bigger than your Trek

Do you have a link with instructions on how to map between dissimilar
geometries?  Did Grant post that somewhere?  In the list archives perhaps?
 I'm quite familiar with my sizing needs with traditional geometry frames,
but not so well versed in sloping TT frames.



> That 520 frameset would probably get you $200-$300.  That's my vibe on the
> second hand market.
>

That's what I was thinking.  Not much, but probably just enough to cover
parts and shipping, leaving me with just the frame price as the upgrade
cost.

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[RBW] Re: Suggestions on price please

[Steve]

Might want to check out this thread looking for a 60 cm Rambouillet
frame and fork.  He's in Lodi, CA I believe.

http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/browse_thread/thread/6e4ad153f0a996f3#

On Jan 4, 10:57 am, Lola  wrote:
> We bought two Rambouillet bikes new in 2006 and love them. One is blue,
> 60cm, cost $2617, the other is green, 58cm,  cost $2545. Although well
> ridden, they are kept indoors and are in excellent condition. Brooks
> saddles look pristine, as does the handlebar tape and just about
> everything else, although of course there are a few scratches.
> Unfortunately we are now living,  and will be traveling soon, on our
> boat and they just take up too much room. We reluctantly need to sell
> them.
> Any suggestions on price? We live in the SF Bay Area.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Charlotte

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[William]

I used the Campy Triple that Riv sells (on Sale right now!), on a Hillborne 
and a Bombadil.  

The Hunqa takes a 27.2 seatpost

Grant's frame drawing tutorial was probably archived by somebody.  It was 
all pdf's.  I saved them somewhere, but it will be days before I get a 
chance to look.  

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Re: [RBW] 62cm Rivendell Quickbeam in Silver, $1200

[nawrock]

Wow, someone is going to get an awesome deal, that is incredible! 


Dave "used to live in Monterrey and misses it" Nawrocki 
Fort Collins, CO 

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Subject: [RBW] 62cm Rivendell Quickbeam in Silver, $1200 


Hello Folks, 

Thanks for the discussion on selling a bike. It was informative. After a 
discussion with the wife , I am selling my Quickbeam. I am selling it for the 
price I purchased it from John on this forum at $1200. I thought I would give 
the forum first crack before I put it on Ebay. If it is not sold by Sunday 
evening, it is going on Ebay. The bike is in great condition, barely ridden, 
and the pictures show. I am in Monterey, CA for local pickup. I will ship it 
out anywhere in US for actual cost of box, shipping, etc, which I am estimating 
at $120. In person, I will accept cash, USPS money order, but no personal 
check. If through mail, I will accept Paypal, USPS money order, but no personal 
check (If you send a money order, I will ship the bike when payment is 
received.) Below if a list of components and a link for pictures. If you want 
any additional pictures let me know. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/47326059@N08/sets/72157628706557715/ 

Nitto Technomic Deluxe Stem 25.4mm with 11cm of reach 



Nitto Albatross Bar 55cm - 25.4mm 

Black Brooks B17 Saddle 

Tektro MTB 3.0 Shifters 

Tektro CR720 canti Brakes (Front and Rear) 

Tange Levin Headset 

Shinamo 105 front hub on Mavic Open Sport Rims 

Suzue Rear Hub on Mavic Open Sport Rims 

Jack Brown 700x33.3 Blue Label on both rims 

Sugino XD2 Quickmeam 40tx32t Crank with 175mm arms 

Shimano BB-UN54 Bottom Bracket 

Shimano MX30 16t Freewheel 

MKS Grip King Pedals 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[René Sterental]

When I built my original Bombadil, I used mountain bike drivetrain
components exclusively. Front external BB with RaceFace cranks and XT front
derailer with no issues at all. A MTB FD may not work with road/touring
cranks, but if you stick to a MTB crankset and 22/32/44 chainrigns, it
should be fully compatible although your high gearing will not be as high.

Here's a photo: http://tinyurl.com/7hxya6f
My Hunqapillar has the Sugino triple crankset that RBW sells with (I
believe) the Micro FD they were selling at the time since they were out of
the Campagnolo. I bought a spare Campagnolo tripple FD on the sale but when
I got it, it was marked as 10speed. I'm guessing they are fully compatilbe
with 9 speeds, but I'll have to check with them.

I guess you also left the Atlantis out of consideration due to its cost,
right? As a hefty rider, I can tell you that the Hunqapillar is wonderful
to ride loaded. Right now it's my default option for heavy loaded rides
such as S24Os.

Go for the Hunqapillar, you won't regret it.

Some Hunqapillars take 26.8 posts; mine does. I believe some may take the
27.2. My Betty was supposed to use the 26.8 but it slipped too much as soon
as the bolt was loosened so I'm using a 27.2 instead; a bit of a tight fit
but much better.

René

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:35 PM, William  wrote:

> I used the Campy Triple that Riv sells (on Sale right now!), on a
> Hillborne and a Bombadil.
>
> The Hunqa takes a 27.2 seatpost
>
> Grant's frame drawing tutorial was probably archived by somebody.  It was
> all pdf's.  I saved them somewhere, but it will be days before I get a
> chance to look.
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[RBW] Re: Trail Recommendation Database?

[TSW]

That might work- use searchable terms in the body of the post, and
something descriptive and easy to sort in the Subject line:

Subject: Trail Database: [location, state, approx mileage]

e.g.,

Subject: Trail Database: Berkeley, CA, 12 miles

Then a fuller description and links in the body.

BTW, one of our local clubs uses this shorthand for describe rides:

http://www.grizzlypeakcyclists.org/rides/current.html

Cheers,
ts
berkeley


On Jan 4, 12:47 am, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
> I like that by posting links here, we can use any mapping site we
> like, which seems 5x as inclusive.
> A short description of length, difficulty, and location, along with
> the link is probably useful for long-term searchability. City, County/
> Parish, state, length, road surface ('mixed terrain'), and features
> like "ocean" or "mountains" might be good keywords to include. If
> they're posted to this thread, "database" would filter for it, since
> that's not a word I see on the list very often.
>
>  Philip
>
> Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
>
> On Jan 3, 5:25 pm, "Bill M."  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Strava is tied to GPS recording, and seems a little too oriented to
> > "look how fast I did this climb" for my taste.  The home page says
> > "Track your progress and compete against friends".  Not really the
> > attitude I expect prevails around this list.  I don't need to share my
> > watt output with the world to share a nice bike route.
>
> > Bikely or Map My Ride might work better for route sharing and
> > searching without a competitive attitude.  Both have some tagging
> > capability, but "mixed terrain'' doesn't seem to be a category either
> > has caught on to.
>
> > Gmap-pedometer is a pretty basic tool that allows you to build and
> > save routes in Google maps without logins or memberships.  The route
> > names are strictly numeric as far as I can tell, which makes searching
> > them difficult, but they can be shared publicly.  Here's one (paved)
> > route I created as an example:
>
> >http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=3765211
>
> > Bill
>
> > On Jan 3, 8:44 am, TSW  wrote:
>
> > > Yes, I've never figured out how to save routes the way one could in
> > > Yahoo Maps.
>
> > > But this is quite cool: you use its smartphone app or a GPS, and it
> > > maps your route, which you can post, share, etc.
>
> > >http://www.strava.com/rides/my-revenge-x2-at-montezuma-grade-2856587
>
> > > Notice that you can get avg speed in various segments.  I'm guessing
> > > they're crowd-sourced named.
>
> > > Searching isn't great, it seems.  I wonder if it'd be possible to
> > > create a public "Riv-ish" collection of routes.
>
> > > Tse-Sung
> > > Berkeley
>
> > > On Jan 3, 12:26 am, Philip Williamson 
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > I made a map, added the phrase "Rivendell Friendly" to it, and tried
> > > > to find it, both in GMaps, and in GGoogle. There doesn't seem to be
> > > > any searchability in personal maps, even if they're public. Ideally, I
> > > > could zoom in on Orange County, type "Rivendell Ride" in the maps
> > > > search and find five or six mapped rides, but I can't. I imagine
> > > > that's on the agenda for Google, someday, but not today.
>
> > > > I agree with Tse-Tsung that a database of "Rivendell" rides would be
> > > > dynamite. I like easy, I like central, so I'd vote for a thread here.
>
> > > > Here's a test map for a route I saved: a mixed terrain ride from
> > > > McMinnville, Oregon to the Flying M ranch, where bike events are
> > > > sometimes held.
>
> > > > So: link, description, location-specific 
> > > > keywords.http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=208780260535319597769.0004b57dbfa...
> > > > "Bicycle route from Tommy's Bike Shop in McMinnville to the Flying M
> > > > Ranch in Yamhill. Mixed Terrain, Rivendell friendly Willamette Valley
> > > > ride. Lots of gravel, some climbing. Staying off of Westside Road,
> > > > because there's no shoulder, low visibility, and the hay trucks go
> > > > 70mph.
> > > > McMinnville, Carlton, Yamhill, Oregon, 97128, Southwest of Portland,
> > > > OR."
>
> > > >  Philip
>
> > > > Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
>
> > > > On Jan 2, 2:04 pm, Philip Williamson 
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > I used Bikely a few years ago, but now I've mostly plotted things out
> > > > > in Google Maps, usually after the ride. My MO is to set out, get lost,
> > > > > get found, and have a good time.
>
> > > > > I just tagged a Google map I made yesterday (in 97128 zip) as
> > > > > "Rivendell friendly," but I can't see how to search public maps. It
> > > > > may just take a while to propagate. If it works, we can simply make
> > > > > our maps, tag them consistently, and done. Ideally, you can go to
> > > > > "Carlton OR" on Google Maps and search for 'rivendell.' It's a mixed-
> > > > > terrain route from the McMinnville bike shop to the Flying M ranch (I
> > > > > want to attend a bike thing there in May).
> > > > >  Philip
> > > > > Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
>
> > > > > On Jan

Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[William]

Crap!  My apologies for claiming 27.2 on the Hunqa.  


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[RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[Philip Williamson]

I thought it was a fair question. I stayed out of it because I had no
input. The couple posts with descriptions of the handling differences
between Roadeos and other light, "fast" bikes were interesting and
instructive to me.
It is wintertime, though, and I've been discarding some of my replies
without posting them. Maybe not enough of them!

 Philip

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www.biketinker.com


On Jan 4, 11:18 am, William  wrote:
> Patrick
>
> From my perspective the discussion went sideways because your position came
> off as:
>
> A Roadeo costs >$4k
> I will not spend that much
> I want a used racing bike
> I challenge you to convince me that a used racing bike is guaranteed to
> make me unhappy in the ways that a $4k new Roadeo is guaranteed to make me
> happy
> Anything about tire clearance fenders, aesthetics, construction quality are
> explicitly off-limits
>
> That might not be a fair restatement of your intent, but it is a truthful
> summary of my perception of your position.  I didn't engage because it
> looked to me like a rhetorical trap.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 10:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> 
> I suppose my questions were rather too particular for me to reasonably
> expect clear replies from everyone, but on the other hand I myself do
> have very clear ideas about how the various bikes I've ridden differ
> in handling from my two later customs (they are Rivs, as most of you
> know) which are my benchmarks for bike handling comparisons. I can say
> in detail how, for example, the Herse, Sam Hill and Motobecane handled
> differently. 

What could a Roadeo give you that your two custom Rivs don't already do?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Gears and coasting!

Patrick "otherwise mum forthwith on this topic" Moore

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 10:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> >
> > I suppose my questions were rather too particular for me to reasonably
> > expect clear replies from everyone, but on the other hand I myself do
> > have very clear ideas about how the various bikes I've ridden differ
> > in handling from my two later customs (they are Rivs, as most of you
> > know) which are my benchmarks for bike handling comparisons. I can say
> > in detail how, for example, the Herse, Sam Hill and Motobecane handled
> > differently.
>
> What could a Roadeo give you that your two custom Rivs don't already do?
>
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[RBW] FS: Ibex Medium wool/plastic mix sports vest, $35 shipped CONUS

[PATRICK MOORE]

Once again it's a Medium and it is very nice with zip up neck and
drawstring waist but a wee bit too small for me with a six footer's torso
and size 17 neck.

The body is of wool but it has stretchable plastic wind panels. Mostly red,
some black.

Well used but still very usable and presentable. Note this: I think it is
*not*, repeat *not* cycling specific since it is not cut long in back like
my other cycling vests. This hasn't kept me from using it for several
seasons but it will work better for someone a bit lighter than I at 170, an
inch or two shorter and with a size 15 to 16 neck.

Photos upon request (to the serious inquirer only. No levity allowed).

I just got a nice replacement as a gift.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:42 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Gears and coasting!

Seems to me I recall they came from the Maker equipped with both, until
some Vandal took a dremel to them and ground off the fittings.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[PATRICK MOORE]

But ahhh, the thrill of it! No, the '99 was built as a fixie and the '03
was converted by Dave Porter. I want to keep the '03 as a commuter/errand
bike (since 2/3 of my riding is that sort) because it has rack and fender
braze ons, but perhaps I can convert the '99 to rear gears. Unless I
convert it into a trike ...

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:42 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> > Gears and coasting!
>
> Seems to me I recall they came from the Maker equipped with both, until
> some Vandal took a dremel to them and ground off the fittings.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 16:07 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> But ahhh, the thrill of it! No, the '99 was built as a fixie and the
> '03 was converted by Dave Porter. I want to keep the '03 as a
> commuter/errand bike (since 2/3 of my riding is that sort) because it
> has rack and fender braze ons, but perhaps I can convert the '99 to
> rear gears. Unless I convert it into a trike ...
> 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUmZp8pR1uc&ob=av2e  Amy's singing your
song, Patrick...



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[RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[Roger]

I saw a 2008 Trek Catalog that shows geometries on the next to last
page. The 62cm Hunqa (largest size) is indeed a larger bike than a 25"
Trek, but the 64cm Bombadil is more similar in size to your 67cm Homer
and especially closer to the 69cm Homer you considered.
http://www.trekbikes.com/pdf/2008/catalog/road/road_en.pdf

By the way, beautiful color on the Homer! What's that shade called? I
notice in your photos that you have racks front and back now on your
Homer. Have you ever tried it fully loaded? I'd be curious how well it
would compare to the 520.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[Rex Kerr]

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Roger  wrote:

> I saw a 2008 Trek Catalog that shows geometries on the next to last
> page. The 62cm Hunqa (largest size) is indeed a larger bike than a 25"
> Trek, but the 64cm Bombadil is more similar in size to your 67cm Homer
> and especially closer to the 69cm Homer you considered.
> http://www.trekbikes.com/pdf/2008/catalog/road/road_en.pdf


Yeah... too bad the Bombadil is more expensive. :-)  Actually, I noticed
that the SH isn't cheaper than the Hunqa in the larger sizes, so that
factor is removed from the equation.  Maybe I should just keep my eye out
for a used 64 cm Bombadil frame...

Looking at the link that you sent (thanks), it looks like the effective
height of the top headset bearing would be almost 6 cm higher, which would
be a HUGE improvement, especially when combined with a threaded stem for
adjustability and a Nitto Technomic!


> By the way, beautiful color on the Homer! What's that shade called?


Thanks.  I fretted over the color for 2 months while waiting to receive it,
and still fret now and then wondering if I could have found a better color.
:-)  It's 5031, Phantom Grey Metallic.  I think that it works well with the
shiny bits, a good complement to the chrome/polished aluminum.



> I notice in your photos that you have racks front and back now on your
> Homer. Have you ever tried it fully loaded? I'd be curious how well it
> would compare to the 520.


To be honest, I haven't actually carried much on the front rack, and my
loads have been just commuting loads in the rear panniers.
 An occasional jacket/sweater, my light bar, etc is all that I've carried
on the front... I mostly like the fact that it stabilizes the front fender
so that it doesn't rattle nor sway and rub the tire! :-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Trail Recommendation Database?

[Horace]

When I lived in Berkeley, my favorite mixed-terrain route was to take
the seaview trail from Inspiration Point up to Grizzly Peak. The
on-road parts of the ride varied, but it was typical to go up Spruce
and come down Claremont or Tunnel. No Rivendells back then, so I did
it on a 700c hybrid Miyata.

Horace.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:51 AM, TSW  wrote:
> Yes- my first 'country bike' ride.  It started out pretty downhill,
> then rolling hills.  Must do again, or try variants; head further
> east, or the Marin headlands, etc.  It's nice to be cruising along in
> the wilderness, no car traffic.
>
> Tse-Sung
>
> On Jan 2, 5:07 pm, René Sterental  wrote:
>> I'll have to try this ride sometime... seems like a lot of fun!
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 10:54 AM, TSW  wrote:
>> > hi all,
>> > Sorry if this has been discussed already- is there a place where
>> > people have posted or can post trail recommendations?  Could be a
>> > thread here... or a Google spreadsheet perhaps?  I know there must be
>> > online resources... I was thinking something that's a bit more Riv-
>> > ish- country biking and all that- a mix of road and not terribly
>> > technical off-road.
>>
>> > TIA,
>> > Tse-Sung
>> > Berkeley
>>
>> > ps- yesterday, in our neck o' the woods, I started at Inspiration
>> > Point in Tilden and took a trail down into Wildcat Canyon, then took
>> > the Wildcat Creek trail all the way to the Alvarado Staging Area in El
>> > Sobrante.  A really nice ride.  Met some very nice dogs too :-)
>>
>> > More:
>>
>> >http://g.co/maps/dq3c7
>>
>> > Hit the "3D" button on the left, to fly it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[William]

+1 that your phantom grey metallic Homer is really a great color.  

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[RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[Rex Kerr]

BTW, just found a more recent picture of the Trek 520, which I uploaded
here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexkerr/6638127641/


Shows the current setup better...

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[RBW] Rebate Reflex

[Marty]

Got the e-mail that the rebates were up, and immediately returned to the 
sale for a few more things. MUSA pants, the Campy front changer, a dirt 
drop stem for my Bombadil Bullmoose/Noodle bar-swap option and added some 
small non-sale things while I was at it. Two packages from Rivendell en 
route at one time - life is good. 

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[RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[Marty]

Rex, looking at the photos of your Trek, are you sure it's a 25"? Most of 
my bikes are that size, and they all seem to have a much longer head tube. 
If not, that would explain a lot. 

Marty

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[RBW] "(What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding?"

[James Warren]

I was just riding my Rivendell home from work, climbing a big hill, doing fine, 
when suddenly this truck intentionally blew by me, inches away from making 
contact. I could tell they did it intentionally. They swerved over to come 
close to me, and then swerved back into the center of the lane. I really wanted 
to see their license plate number, but they were driving at a high speed (also 
intentionally unsafe).

I climbed the rest of the hill thinking about it, and it was just another 
reminder that all of us reading this are on the same side in the grand scheme 
of things. Let's continue to presume that others have good will towards us when 
we discuss the details in cycling.

Be safe,
Jim W.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[Rex Kerr]

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Marty  wrote:

> Rex, looking at the photos of your Trek, are you sure it's a 25"? Most of
> my bikes are that size, and they all seem to have a much longer head tube.
> If not, that would explain a lot.


I haven't measured it, but I did buy it new, and it feels and looks about
the same as other bikes that I have measured which I know to be ~62 cm. Now
you've got me wondering... I'll measure it tonight, but perhaps it looks
small because of the uncut steerer with extension and the long seatpost
extension?   It could also be an illusion... when I look at my AHH the
headtube looks short to me, but when I measure it it's within a centimeter
of the length of the headtube on my old Schwinn, yet the Schwinn looked
insanely long, which I think had to do with the color and the fact that it
used traditional diameter tubing for the downtube, but the Trek and AHH
both use oversized tubing for the downtube.

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Re: [RBW] Rebate Reflex

[Rex Kerr]

Too bad they sold out of those brand V panniers I had my eye on... the grid
grey ones might have also been a good match for my AHH... oh well, I would
have felt guilty using my rebates on zero-margin items anyhow. :-)

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Marty  wrote:

> Got the e-mail that the rebates were up, and immediately returned to the
> sale for a few more things. MUSA pants, the Campy front changer, a dirt
> drop stem for my Bombadil Bullmoose/Noodle bar-swap option and added some
> small non-sale things while I was at it. Two packages from Rivendell en
> route at one time - life is good.
>
> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Auld Lange Syne

[Rex Kerr]

I like the black Riv cap.  Too bad they don't have that style anymore.

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 7:51 PM, jimD  wrote:

> In the spirit of the season this has been placed on 'da Flickr':
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/6625082641/in/photostream
> per usual my goals for this year are to 'ride lots'.
> …and commute even more.
> Happy New Year!,
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[RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[Bill Carter]

Rex,
I watch the old Treks on ebay pretty closely, and I think your plan
makes great sense economically.  The 520s with tig welded frames like
yours are very popular, sell quickly, and I am always amazed that
framesets in general seem to sell pretty close in price to fully built
bikes.  I checked my saved list and saw two built up bikes that
recently sold, one for $785 and another for $520.  The $785 bike had
very low miles (300-400) on it. Yours looks to be a very nice color
and well cared for, so I would say you shold be able to sell the frame/
fork with bottom bracket and headset for somewhere in the $350 - $450
range.  If you can hold off til early spring when the itch to ride
kicks in, you may be able to do a bit better.  I see no reason that
most of your parts could not be reused on a new Riv frame.  Good luck,
and let us know how it works out.
Bill Carter

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Re: [RBW] Rebate Reflex

[James Warren]

Me too. A small rebate led to some resupplying on my favorite things, like Jack 
Brown Greens. Glad I made the order.


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> Got the e-mail that the rebates were up, and immediately returned to the sale 
> for a few more things. MUSA pants, the Campy front changer, a dirt drop stem 
> for my Bombadil Bullmoose/Noodle bar-swap option and added some small 
> non-sale things while I was at it. Two packages from Rivendell en route at 
> one time - life is good. 
> 
> Marty
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[RBW] Re: "Half-step + granny" gearing...

[rob markwardt]

I've got a couple half-step bikes and find that I rarely use the "half-
step".  Usually the "full step" is quite sufficient, however, there
are times when just a little bit higher or lower gearing is a nice
option...especially on long, undulating rides.  I can't imagine
shifting through the whole range using all the half-steps...kind of
like pretending to be a semi-truck driverr, shift, r,
shift, rr shift, etc. etc. etc. (might try it this evening!!).

Rob

On Jan 4, 2:08 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
> I used to have a half-step+granny gearing on my Sequoia (but went to a
> touring triple now).    I use an 8-speed in the back with the DO spacing
> spread to 130.     I have to agree that with an 8-speed, you definitely *do
> not* need the half-step/granny setup.     To really leverage half-step
> gearing you're just going to be shifting almost twice as often and would
> have to be really, really finicky about cadence.
>
> Matt

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[Leslie]

Rex, that's a great color on your Hilsen


Wasn't the bike-design class archived over on Cyclofiend's site somewhere?


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[RBW] Rebate Reflex

[Peter Pesce]

I'd feel a bit bad using my rebate for sale things too. I put in a small order 
pre-sale, and two more in-sale, so I guess I'm doing my bit to help. I'll save 
the rebate to ease the pain of returning to full-price shopping next week!

I'm glad Riv is distilling their product line. I've recently felt they were 
spread a little thin, but I sure hope they don't need to embrace the full 
compliment of retail gimmicks to keep afloat. They have always offered good 
stuff at fair prices, and one would hope that's always good enough. 

Pete
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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[Leslie]

Found it, bottom of the pdf page:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/pdf/index.html


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[RBW] Re: Fender Frustration

[Minh]

Hi Chris,

I had this problem too, i had a Nitto Mini Front and when i switched
to a Nitto Campee Front i lost that same boss up front.  I came up
with my own DIY solution, i used an extra daruma bolt and a ziptie to
secure it to the cross section of the rack, it doesn't look as clean
but is rock solid.



On Jan 3, 1:17 pm, Chris  wrote:
> My wife's Betty also has rubbing on the front/right tip of the fender when
> the bike steers to the right.  The bike has 50mm Honjo installed with
> 35mm Soma Xpress tires.  I kinda wish the Mark's rack had a boss, like the
> Mini front, which could be used to secure the front tip of the fender.  The
> older version of Mark's rack came with a longer diving board plate, whose
> front tip can be used as a stay for the fender.  But the longer version of
> the spring board is no longer being sold.
>
> Or maybe a washer needs to be loosened.  I need to play around with it a
> bit more...

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[RBW] Re: "(What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding?"

[Bill Carter]

Jim,
I believe we all have had similar experiences.  A recent law was
passed here in Georgia that requires motorists to give cyclists at
least three feet clearance, but it remains to be seen whether the
police will actually enforce it, and publicity to educate the motoring
public about the new law has been sorely lacking.  I was once buzzed
on an uphill by a huge black SUV, and I moved over toward the center
of the lane thinking that might dissuade the next idiot from trying
the same stunt.  Well, a sheriff's car pulled me over to lecture me
for not riding far enough to the right.  I was tempted to ask him how
many cars he had pulled over in his career for buzzing cyclists too
close, but I figured arguing with the long arm of the law might not be
a good idea.  Thanks for the reminder to "be careful out there," and
to be respectful of others on the forum because life's just too
short.
Bill Carter

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Re: [RBW] Re: "(What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding?"

[James Warren]

Funny side note: about a minute ago, at the instant I clicked on your e-mail, 
the characters on the "Law & Order" episode on my tv mentioned a character 
named "Bill Carter".


On Jan 4, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Bill Carter wrote:

> Jim,
> I believe we all have had similar experiences.  A recent law was
> passed here in Georgia that requires motorists to give cyclists at
> least three feet clearance, but it remains to be seen whether the
> police will actually enforce it, and publicity to educate the motoring
> public about the new law has been sorely lacking.  I was once buzzed
> on an uphill by a huge black SUV, and I moved over toward the center
> of the lane thinking that might dissuade the next idiot from trying
> the same stunt.  Well, a sheriff's car pulled me over to lecture me
> for not riding far enough to the right.  I was tempted to ask him how
> many cars he had pulled over in his career for buzzing cyclists too
> close, but I figured arguing with the long arm of the law might not be
> a good idea.  Thanks for the reminder to "be careful out there," and
> to be respectful of others on the forum because life's just too
> short.
> Bill Carter
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Re: [RBW] Rebate Reflex

[Leslie]

On Wednesday, January 4, 2012 8:43:24 PM UTC-5, Rex Kerr wrote:
>
> Too bad they sold out of those brand V panniers I had my eye on... the 
> grid grey ones might have also been a good match for my AHH... oh well, I 
> would have felt guilty using my rebates on zero-margin items anyhow. :-)
>


I felt guilty about buying anything that was on sale, actually.   But, 
there were some things that I'd have waited on to buy later, that the sale 
goaded me into spending a bit now (which is when they needed it).

I really liked the khaki, but not as keen on the nylon bits as the 
leather...  the olive ones w/ leather, I like the leather trim, but not the 
olive color so much...I'd kept hoping that, once I'm ready to buy 'em, 
that they might have khaki&leather ones available.   When I saw the V ones 
on sale, though, I wish I could have gone ahead and bought 'em to set aside 
until I needed them, but, it wasn't really an ideal time for me to buy 
them.   SO... when they sold out, I didn't feel guilty for not buying them. 
  Same w/ the Bullmoose.   I'm still stunned it was on the cut list.   I 
can see thinning color selections, etc., but, the Bullmoose... it seems as 
if the Hunqa and the Bomba have lost a keen option...   

But, Riv has to do what it has to do

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[Rex Kerr]

 On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Leslie  wrote:

> Found it, bottom of the pdf page:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/pdf/index.html
>

Great, thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[Rex Kerr]

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Bill Carter  wrote:
> [...] The 520s with tig welded frames like yours are very popular, sell
quickly, and I am always amazed that framesets in general seem to sell
pretty close in price to fully built bikes.

Good to know... that's one thing that I'm constantly telling people of when
they're shocked by the price of my AHH (I wish they'd just stop asking!!),
that building up a bike from parts is MUCH more expensive than a pre-built
bike, and that if I'd been content with an off the shelf mixture of parts
it would have probably been cheaper to just buy a compatible bike, strip
it, and sell the frame... it's good to see that I'm not completely off base
when I say that!


> If you can hold off til early spring when the itch to ride kicks in, you
> may be able to do a bit better.


  I'm itching to ride right now, but agreed to drive since I was
working late today!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fender Frustration

[René Sterental]

I'm not sure what you are referring to. Both my Mark's Racks (on the AHH
and the Betty) have 2 bolts on the flat section that holds the rack in the
middle and goes into the brake hole in the fork crown. I use one of these
to stabilize the front of the fender. Has anything changed recently?

René

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Minh  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> I had this problem too, i had a Nitto Mini Front and when i switched
> to a Nitto Campee Front i lost that same boss up front.  I came up
> with my own DIY solution, i used an extra daruma bolt and a ziptie to
> secure it to the cross section of the rack, it doesn't look as clean
> but is rock solid.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

[Darin G.]

The flyer indicates it can take up to a  35 with a fender,...

http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/03.html

Maybe I need to consider a larger fender?

On Jan 3, 1:41 pm, Esteban  wrote:
> 28mm seems to be the practical limit with fenders on the Ram/Rom.
>
> On Jan 3, 11:50 am, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get 32s on 
> > the front with the stock Shimano brakes.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

[Esteban]

Not with the stock brakes.  Just not gonna happen.  I think the flyer
is overly optimistic.  SKS allow for more wiggle room than metal,
maybe.  But not much

For me, the limitations worked with the design of the bicycle.  While
the Rom/Ram shines with 35s on mixed terrain rides, it was designed
around those middle-reach brakes. It think the bike really shines with
28s.  This was when the Atlantis was the Atlantis, and the Saluki was
pulling country bike duty, and the Rom/Ram were versatile"road"
bikes.  This was before all bikes did all things.

So, I'd say if you want fat tires and fenders, spring for an AHH.
Ride the Romulus as the classic road bike it is.

On Jan 4, 8:02 pm, "Darin G."  wrote:
> The flyer indicates it can take up to a  35 with a fender,...
>
> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/03.html
>
> Maybe I need to consider a larger fender?
>
> On Jan 3, 1:41 pm, Esteban  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > 28mm seems to be the practical limit with fenders on the Ram/Rom.
>
> > On Jan 3, 11:50 am, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> > > I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get 32s 
> > > on the front with the stock Shimano brakes.

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[RBW] Re: Rebate Reflex

[jandrews_nyc]

I'm not sure I understand how this is working.
How does one see all the purchases they've made in 2011.
For that matter, all the purchased they've made ever?
thanks
Jason



On Jan 4, 10:43 pm, Leslie  wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2012 8:43:24 PM UTC-5, Rex Kerr wrote:
>
> > Too bad they sold out of those brand V panniers I had my eye on... the
> > grid grey ones might have also been a good match for my AHH... oh well, I
> > would have felt guilty using my rebates on zero-margin items anyhow. :-)
>
> I felt guilty about buying anything that was on sale, actually.   But,
> there were some things that I'd have waited on to buy later, that the sale
> goaded me into spending a bit now (which is when they needed it).
>
> I really liked the khaki, but not as keen on the nylon bits as the
> leather...  the olive ones w/ leather, I like the leather trim, but not the
> olive color so much...    I'd kept hoping that, once I'm ready to buy 'em,
> that they might have khaki&leather ones available.   When I saw the V ones
> on sale, though, I wish I could have gone ahead and bought 'em to set aside
> until I needed them, but, it wasn't really an ideal time for me to buy
> them.   SO... when they sold out, I didn't feel guilty for not buying them.
>   Same w/ the Bullmoose.   I'm still stunned it was on the cut list.   I
> can see thinning color selections, etc., but, the Bullmoose... it seems as
> if the Hunqa and the Bomba have lost a keen option...
>
> But, Riv has to do what it has to do

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

[cyclotourist]

On 1/4/12, Esteban  wrote:
> Not with the stock brakes.  Just not gonna happen.  I think the flyer
> is overly optimistic.  SKS allow for more wiggle room than metal,
> maybe.  But not much
>
> For me, the limitations worked with the design of the bicycle.  While
> the Rom/Ram shines with 35s on mixed terrain rides, it was designed
> around those middle-reach brakes. It think the bike really shines with
> 28s.  This was when the Atlantis was the Atlantis, and the Saluki was
> pulling country bike duty, and the Rom/Ram were versatile"road"
> bikes.  This was before all bikes did all things.
>
> So, I'd say if you want fat tires and fenders, spring for an AHH.
> Ride the Romulus as the classic road bike it is.
>
> On Jan 4, 8:02 pm, "Darin G."  wrote:
>> The flyer indicates it can take up to a  35 with a fender,...
>>
>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/03.html
>>
>> Maybe I need to consider a larger fender?
>>
>> On Jan 3, 1:41 pm, Esteban  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > 28mm seems to be the practical limit with fenders on the Ram/Rom.
>>
>> > On Jan 3, 11:50 am, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> > > I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get
>> > > 32s on the front with the stock Shimano brakes.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

[Joe Bernard]

I ran 32 Paselas without fenders for some most-excellent trail riding, and 
35s would've worked, too. But not with fenders. You'll inevitably face 
various versions of tire rub, and particle-trapping under the fork. 
 
I did do a bodge of cut SKS fenders over the 32s for a while: fenders in 
front and behind the fork and seatstay bridge, no fender material actually 
under either. It successfully kept some water off bike-and-body, but it 
wasn't pretty. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

[Darin G.]

What about the Grand Bois "Cerf" 28s?  This is my "go-fast" bike but
I'm thinking of doing my first 200k brevet this spring and think
fenders would be a good idea.  Just curious as to what will be the
best fender/tire combo.  Not looking to turn it into a fat tire
tractor as my Sam takes care of that (although I am coming to view it
as a place to store the parts that I ultimately will put on an AHH--
sigh).

On Jan 4, 9:17 pm, Esteban  wrote:
> Not with the stock brakes.  Just not gonna happen.  I think the flyer
> is overly optimistic.  SKS allow for more wiggle room than metal,
> maybe.  But not much
>
> For me, the limitations worked with the design of the bicycle.  While
> the Rom/Ram shines with 35s on mixed terrain rides, it was designed
> around those middle-reach brakes. It think the bike really shines with
> 28s.  This was when the Atlantis was the Atlantis, and the Saluki was
> pulling country bike duty, and the Rom/Ram were versatile"road"
> bikes.  This was before all bikes did all things.
>
> So, I'd say if you want fat tires and fenders, spring for an AHH.
> Ride the Romulus as the classic road bike it is.
>
> On Jan 4, 8:02 pm, "Darin G."  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The flyer indicates it can take up to a  35 with a fender,...
>
> >http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/03.html
>
> > Maybe I need to consider a larger fender?
>
> > On Jan 3, 1:41 pm, Esteban  wrote:
>
> > > 28mm seems to be the practical limit with fenders on the Ram/Rom.
>
> > > On Jan 3, 11:50 am, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> > > > I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get 
> > > > 32s on the front with the stock Shimano brakes.

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[RBW] Re: Fender Frustration

[Esteban]

One thing the Hetre has done is create a lot of noises and tight
clearances for the the 650B denizens whose Kogswells, Ebisus, and
Rivendells were spec'd for around 37mm - which was all that was
available about 2007.

I agree with Ryan - after riding the Lierres, if you want supple
casing and a fast, light ride, just get that tire and save yourself
the headache.  Hetres are great tires.  But they require a lot of
frame-design fidgeting with fenders that not even most custom builders
can pull off cleanly.  Or you get the gaping yaw of the Rawland.

Here's the Protovelo with comfortable clearances with Lierres:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/6592022665/in/photostream

Hetres were fun, but a royal pain and best abandoned.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

[Esteban]

On a brevet I would choose the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix at 27mm.
Plenty of comfort, and a damn fast tire.  Maybe more quality control
than the GB, although I haven't been paying attention to that
discussion much (or any internet bikeyness for that matter) lately.
Paselas work great, but the 28s can be a bit rigid.  Especially with
TG.  I have 28mm Continental Ultra Sports on my Riv Road and those are
surprisingly comfortable.

I'd go with the Challenges, though.  Those with the 45mm Honjos would
give you plenty of clearance (I would guess), functionality, and
style.

Good luck on the randonee!

On Jan 4, 9:45 pm, "Darin G."  wrote:
> What about the Grand Bois "Cerf" 28s?  This is my "go-fast" bike but
> I'm thinking of doing my first 200k brevet this spring and think
> fenders would be a good idea.  Just curious as to what will be the
> best fender/tire combo.  Not looking to turn it into a fat tire
> tractor as my Sam takes care of that (although I am coming to view it
> as a place to store the parts that I ultimately will put on an AHH--
> sigh).
>
> On Jan 4, 9:17 pm, Esteban  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Not with the stock brakes.  Just not gonna happen.  I think the flyer
> > is overly optimistic.  SKS allow for more wiggle room than metal,
> > maybe.  But not much
>
> > For me, the limitations worked with the design of the bicycle.  While
> > the Rom/Ram shines with 35s on mixed terrain rides, it was designed
> > around those middle-reach brakes. It think the bike really shines with
> > 28s.  This was when the Atlantis was the Atlantis, and the Saluki was
> > pulling country bike duty, and the Rom/Ram were versatile"road"
> > bikes.  This was before all bikes did all things.
>
> > So, I'd say if you want fat tires and fenders, spring for an AHH.
> > Ride the Romulus as the classic road bike it is.
>
> > On Jan 4, 8:02 pm, "Darin G."  wrote:
>
> > > The flyer indicates it can take up to a  35 with a fender,...
>
> > >http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/03.html
>
> > > Maybe I need to consider a larger fender?
>
> > > On Jan 3, 1:41 pm, Esteban  wrote:
>
> > > > 28mm seems to be the practical limit with fenders on the Ram/Rom.
>
> > > > On Jan 3, 11:50 am, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> > > > > I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get 
> > > > > 32s on the front with the stock Shimano brakes.

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