Re: [RBW] Re: OT: Advice on trailer hitch mounted bicycle racks

[Brian Hanson]

Have you had problems with handlebars touching or making 3 bikes
unworkable?  I read a review that states you can't fit 3 MTB flat-bar bikes
without interference.   This one looks like a keeper if I can get at least
2 mtb and 1 road on it?

Brian
Seattle, WA

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:13 AM, sancruz  wrote:

> I have the Saris Thelma 3 on the back of my VW wagon, and it works
> flawlessly!  The rack is easily removed from the hitch by unthreading a
> single bolt.  When its on the car, but not in use, it folds up 90 degrees
> to nest against the back of the car.  Its super simple to put the bikes
> onto the rack too - you just need to lift the bike up about 12+ inches into
> the trays and wrap a locking strap around each wheel for a solid hold.  You
> can get 3 bikes on the rack and never have to worry about the bikes rubbing
> on one another, and much better for fuel economy too!
>
>
> On Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:09:52 PM UTC-5, Scot Brooks wrote:
>
>> I'm going to be picking up a little Class 1 trailer hitch and bike rack
>> for my Honda Fit, and I'm hoping for some advice. The hitch is easy, but
>> the selection of racks is a little overwhelming, even with the reviews and
>> all that.
>>
>> I'm just wondering if anyone has specifically gone this route and found
>> something they'd happily recommend. Thanks all!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Help with platform pedals...

[lungimsam]

>
> I stopped using frogs, and went to MKS Touring pedals (*wide enough for 
> foot - no rolling off*), and MKS Medium deep toe clips - no straps.
>  
>
This keeps my *feet glued to the pedals on rough descents*, and helps me *wind 
up the pedal to the position I want when at stops*.
 
Easy in-out, because I don't use straps. 

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Re: [RBW] Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[Brian Campbell]

My AHH has 46/30, Electra Ticino crank, VO rings and 10 speed, 11-34 rear 
cassette. Using an indexed 10 speed bar end shifter. Works great.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/bylar13/005-2.jpg
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[RBW] Re: Grant Peterson (Rivendell) book event + ride! 9/23 ~ Naperville, IL

[Eric Peterson]

I was at the talk as well. Didn't go on the ride because I had errands to 
run (on bike of course). It looked like he had a good turnout for the ride 
as well as the talk. 

The talk was kind of unpolished and rambling - which I liked. 
Some interesting things I found out was that Grant still does intervals. 
Very short intervals by his account, but intervals nonetheless.
Also I got the impression that he really likes catching up to and passing 
lycra-clad riders while dressed like an unracer. 

Eric in Naperville

On Sunday, September 23, 2012 2:54:23 PM UTC-5, Marty wrote:
>
> Was able to grab a train to Naperville this morning, along with my 
>> Quickbeam. Tooled around town for a half hour before the talk. Nice to say 
>> Hi to Grant, but I had to catch the last train back to Chicago before the 
>> group ride. They had a nice display in the window, complete with a great 
>> Sam Hillborne. 
>
>
>  *http://tinyurl.com/8ho66kk*
> *
> *
> Grant gave a nice talk, and I had to smile at the title of the book over 
> his right shoulder. 
>
> *http://tinyurl.com/8dtv3f2*
> *
> *
> Speaking of trains, this one left the station in Chicago just after I did. 
> There were hundreds of photographers camped out along the route, and it 
> flew through Naperville just after I got there. Very cool!
> *
> *
> *http://tinyurl.com/8clraz5*
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[RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Philip Williamson]

Or just run a 40 or 44t chainring and a 9 speed cassette and never think 
about it again...
With 54cm chainstays, would you need a longer-than-stock chain to run a 52t 
ring and 34t cog? 

Philip (a Quickbeamer) Williamson
www.biketinker.com


On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:49:39 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I doubt most people will actually stick-shift it. They'll probably get off 
> and swap to the other chainring by hand like Quickbeamers do. I live at the 
> top of a big hill so I'd start in the big ring, then stop and hand-shift at 
> the turnaround.
>  
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:56:43 PM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote:
>
>> Beautiful bike, glad to hear that you're so happy with it.  No doubt, 
>> well-designed but unconventional geometry.  I do have an issue with shift 
>> with stick/finger/whatever.  Really? How long is that going to last? 
>>  Downtube/suicide shifter I could see, if available of course.  Just my 
>> opinion, and what do I know?  Cheers, Steve 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:12:43 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> Great photos; looks super comfortable.  When you get to the fenders, 
>>> think about how cool that bike would look with color matched fenders. 
>>> What a cruiser! 
>>>
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>>> > 
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[RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Joe Bernard]

I doubt most people will actually stick-shift it. They'll probably get off 
and swap to the other chainring by hand like Quickbeamers do. I live at the 
top of a big hill so I'd start in the big ring, then stop and hand-shift at 
the turnaround.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:56:43 PM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote:

> Beautiful bike, glad to hear that you're so happy with it.  No doubt, 
> well-designed but unconventional geometry.  I do have an issue with shift 
> with stick/finger/whatever.  Really? How long is that going to last? 
>  Downtube/suicide shifter I could see, if available of course.  Just my 
> opinion, and what do I know?  Cheers, Steve 
>
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:12:43 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Great photos; looks super comfortable.  When you get to the fenders, 
>> think about how cool that bike would look with color matched fenders. 
>> What a cruiser! 
>>
>> dougP 
>>
>> On Sep 25, 12:06 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J" 
>>  wrote: 
>> > Finally got the Mystery Bike built up (still no fenders, though -- 
>> working on the right fender/tire/brake combo), and took it for its maiden 
>> voyage/first commute.  What a great bike!  A couple of pics here: 
>> > 
>> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023681452/in/photostream/ 
>> > 
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[RBW] Grant needs a Riv in AZ.

[Joe Bernard]

http://rivbike.tumblr.com/
 
Joe Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Help with platform pedals...

[Rex Kerr]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> Give it a little nudge, almost a kick, and it will come around.  It may
> bump to a stop on your leg.  However: don't be too enthusiastic, don't
> use too much force, especially with "beartrap" pedals.
>

I have far too many negative memories of the consequences of that action to
try it... :-)

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Re: [RBW] Help with platform pedals...

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 15:56 -0700, Rex Kerr wrote:
> Starting up again after a stop!  I've become accustomed to just
> stopping with my feet in whatever position I want.  I put my weight on
> the dominant leg as I lower myself off the saddle and put my other
> foot on the ground to finally stop.  Problem is, now I'm in a bad
> position to restart.  If the light changes quickly I'm unprepared.
> With clipless I'd just lift my foot and the crank would follow my foot
> and be in a good position.  Not so easy with platforms.  I guess I
> could train myself to lower the other foot on stops, but that seems
> awkward too, not to mention that the crank ends up at TDC, which isn't
> right either.  

Give it a little nudge, almost a kick, and it will come around.  It may
bump to a stop on your leg.  However: don't be too enthusiastic, don't
use too much force, especially with "beartrap" pedals.  

And definitely not with beartrap pedals you have, without noticing it,
been honing the teeth every time you make a 180 degree right turn and
every so slightly ground the pedal, the way I did every day for almost
10 years on my commute.  

So one day, after ten years of patient, if unknowning honing, I gave
that pedal a mighty kick rather than a gentle nudge, and the pedal came
around with considerable force and BAM! dug those sharpened teeth right
into my leg.  I then moved my leg, and the teeth raked down my shin.
That was in 1995.  I still have the scars.



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Re: [RBW] Help with platform pedals...

[Joe Broach]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Rex Kerr  wrote:

> Actually, that's part of my problem.  I ride in sandals (always have, even
> with the frogs -- rode Shimano SPD sandals) and grabbing the rough pedal
> with my toe requires a bit more caution. :-)

Oh, yeah. I get that lesson at the start of every summer when I switch
to Chacos on my spiked pedals. Usually only takes a couple of times to
sink in for the season.

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

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[RBW] Re: Help with platform pedals...

[Kelly]

Well just as finding the right clipless pedal was important, finding the 
right platform pedal is important too.  After going to BMX style / size 
pedals I've found my sweat spot for my size 13's.  The shoe hasn't really 
mattered everything from flimsy sandals to dress shoes.  That's me.. I too 
just lift the pedal up at stop signs with my toe.  Only time I really miss 
clipless anymore after two years.  I never did experience the muscle 
fatigue you experienced.

Good luck finding your way... 

Kelly

Note my wife never did finalize the switch.. she rides platforms on tour 
but week night club rides she's clipped in.

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:56:28 PM UTC-5, Rex Kerr wrote:
>
> My continuing saga with platform pedals... [question follows long spiel]
>
> As I've stated before, I have been a long time user of Speedplay Frog 
> clipless pedals, which I had no reason to dislike.  That said, the "wear 
> any shoes and just jump on the bike" argument is quite compelling, so I 
> decided to give platforms another chance.  After so many years I'm finding 
> them to be more challenging that I expected. :-)
>
> 1) Small muscles around the ankles that I'm not accustomed to using get a 
> workout keeping the food on the pedal -- mostly over that.
> 2) A bit uncertain feeling on rough descents -- still not over that.
> 3) Major discomfort, feeling like my foot was rolling off the edge.  I 
> finally figured out that my root problem was the same as that which I 
> overcame years ago with clipless pedals.  My Frogs are all special ordered 
> with 1/2" longer spindles due to a slightly duck-toed stance.  I added some 
> Specialized BG spindle extenders to my platform pedals and they're MUCH 
> more comfortable!  This alone resolved 90% of my complaints!
> 4) Pedal strike -- I'm finally retraining myself that I have less 
> clearance than I'm accustomed to.  Sometimes wish I had a little more 
> clearance when cornering and trying to keep up in traffic.
>
> ...and #5...  ...the one I write about today...
>
> Starting up again after a stop!  I've become accustomed to just stopping 
> with my feet in whatever position I want.  I put my weight on the dominant 
> leg as I lower myself off the saddle and put my other foot on the ground to 
> finally stop.  Problem is, now I'm in a bad position to restart.  If the 
> light changes quickly I'm unprepared.  With clipless I'd just lift my foot 
> and the crank would follow my foot and be in a good position.  Not so easy 
> with platforms.  I guess I could train myself to lower the other foot on 
> stops, but that seems awkward too, not to mention that the crank ends up at 
> TDC, which isn't right either.  
>
> So, is there some easy technique that I never learned in my childhood 
> years when I last used platform pedals, or must I just get accustomed to 
> using my toe to re-position the pedal, regardless of how long that takes?
>
> Thanks!
> -Rex
>

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[RBW] Re: Help with platform pedals...

[Rambouilleting Utahn]

As a recent convert back to platforms I suffered with the same issue. After 
about a month of picking my pedal up with my toe I realized that if I came 
to a stop a little further forward than I wanted to be and then rolled the 
bike back with my foot on the lead off pedal it would be in the right 
position. 

your milage my vary

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:56:28 PM UTC-6, Rex Kerr wrote:
>
> My continuing saga with platform pedals... [question follows long spiel] 
>
> So, is there some easy technique that I never learned in my childhood 
> years when I last used platform pedals, or must I just get accustomed to 
> using my toe to re-position the pedal, regardless of how long that takes?
>
> Thanks!
> -Rex
>

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Re: [RBW] Help with platform pedals...

[Rex Kerr]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Joe Broach  wrote:

> I just stop with my pedal foot (right, for me) at 2 o'clock, ready for
> takeoff. Just use the brakes like you were about to start a trackstand
> (I still can't do one!), and put the off foot down. Easily mastered
> mini-trick.
>

I tried that.  Still feels a bit awkward, and requires me to be a bit more
prepared... perhaps with practice...


> How long does it take you? When I get stopped out of position, I just
> lift up with a toe, step on it, and I'm off. It's rare I see a
> clipless rider take any less time to clip in and get moving.


Not long, but I'm very fast getting into my clipless.  Never have to look,
and 99% of the time I hit the engagement on the first try and first stroke.
 Maybe I'm just impatient. :-)

It is a little ironic how important the shoes are to happy clip-free

riding. You still have to match shoe to pedal, to some extent.
>

Actually, that's part of my problem.  I ride in sandals (always have, even
with the frogs -- rode Shimano SPD sandals) and grabbing the rough pedal
with my toe requires a bit more caution. :-)

Thanks for the input!

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Re: [RBW] Help with platform pedals...

[Joe Broach]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Rex Kerr  wrote:

> So, is there some easy technique that I never learned in my childhood years
> when I last used platform pedals [...]

I just stop with my pedal foot (right, for me) at 2 o'clock, ready for
takeoff. Just use the brakes like you were about to start a trackstand
(I still can't do one!), and put the off foot down. Easily mastered
mini-trick.

> must I just get accustomed to using my
> toe to re-position the pedal, regardless of how long that takes?

How long does it take you? When I get stopped out of position, I just
lift up with a toe, step on it, and I'm off. It's rare I see a
clipless rider take any less time to clip in and get moving.

It is a little ironic how important the shoes are to happy clip-free
riding. You still have to match shoe to pedal, to some extent.

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

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Re: [RBW] Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[René Sterental]

With 9 speeds you can even go 12-36 in the back. But you'll need a Shadow
type MTB RD although you can make it work on a non-shadow type by either
reversing or getting a longer B-screw. I've done both on my Rivs.

That should be low enough based on your description.

René

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012, Steve Palincsar wrote:

> On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 15:01 -0700, lungimsam wrote:
> > I have bar-end shifters.
> >
> > Shimano 10speed SIS/Friction for RD.
> > Shimano Friction on the FD.
> >
> > I do not tour, but carry commuting loads of less than 10lbs on rear
> > rack.
> >
> > It is just that the 34 x 27 is too hard for me on local hills. Would
> > going to a 32 or 34 cassette in the rear make that much of a
> > difference? Swapping a cassette does sound like the least expensive
> > idea.
>
> Going from a 27 to a 30 tooth sprocket is a good-sized shift.  Going
> from a 30 to a 34 is another good-sized shift.  So the proposed cassette
> change will give you two lower gears, and not piddly little unnoticeable
> steps, either, but rather good healthy bites.
>
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[RBW] WTB: SlickerSack for platrack

[Adam Kimball]

Hi all,

Anyone have one of the discontinued slickersacks that fits on the platrack? 
 I should have bought one long ago but didn't.  Now I can't.  If you have 
one that you don't use, let me know.  I'm interested.

Thanks,
Adam

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[RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[islaysteve]

Beautiful bike, glad to hear that you're so happy with it.  No doubt, 
well-designed but unconventional geometry.  I do have an issue with shift 
with stick/finger/whatever.  Really? How long is that going to last? 
 Downtube/suicide shifter I could see, if available of course.  Just my 
opinion, and what do I know?  Cheers, Steve 

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:12:43 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>
> Great photos; looks super comfortable.  When you get to the fenders, 
> think about how cool that bike would look with color matched fenders. 
> What a cruiser! 
>
> dougP 
>
> On Sep 25, 12:06 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J" 
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> working on the right fender/tire/brake combo), and took it for its maiden 
> voyage/first commute.  What a great bike!  A couple of pics here: 
> > 
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[RBW] Help with platform pedals...

[Rex Kerr]

My continuing saga with platform pedals... [question follows long spiel]

As I've stated before, I have been a long time user of Speedplay Frog
clipless pedals, which I had no reason to dislike.  That said, the "wear
any shoes and just jump on the bike" argument is quite compelling, so I
decided to give platforms another chance.  After so many years I'm finding
them to be more challenging that I expected. :-)

1) Small muscles around the ankles that I'm not accustomed to using get a
workout keeping the food on the pedal -- mostly over that.
2) A bit uncertain feeling on rough descents -- still not over that.
3) Major discomfort, feeling like my foot was rolling off the edge.  I
finally figured out that my root problem was the same as that which I
overcame years ago with clipless pedals.  My Frogs are all special ordered
with 1/2" longer spindles due to a slightly duck-toed stance.  I added some
Specialized BG spindle extenders to my platform pedals and they're MUCH
more comfortable!  This alone resolved 90% of my complaints!
4) Pedal strike -- I'm finally retraining myself that I have less clearance
than I'm accustomed to.  Sometimes wish I had a little more clearance when
cornering and trying to keep up in traffic.

...and #5...  ...the one I write about today...

Starting up again after a stop!  I've become accustomed to just stopping
with my feet in whatever position I want.  I put my weight on the dominant
leg as I lower myself off the saddle and put my other foot on the ground to
finally stop.  Problem is, now I'm in a bad position to restart.  If the
light changes quickly I'm unprepared.  With clipless I'd just lift my foot
and the crank would follow my foot and be in a good position.  Not so easy
with platforms.  I guess I could train myself to lower the other foot on
stops, but that seems awkward too, not to mention that the crank ends up at
TDC, which isn't right either.

So, is there some easy technique that I never learned in my childhood years
when I last used platform pedals, or must I just get accustomed to using my
toe to re-position the pedal, regardless of how long that takes?

Thanks!
-Rex

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[RBW] Re: RR: Riding to Angeuls Oaks via back roads

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Sounds like a good group of people!

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:24:23 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> OK, now you've gon public!  And Mike & I will hold you to it...plus 
> Jim, Andy, Dustin, Esteban. 
>
> Road Trip to Redlands. 
>
> dougP 
>
> On Sep 25, 3:02 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com"  
> wrote: 
> > Oh yeah, on the to-do list. 
> > 
> > Mike already mentioned it would be a good Riv Rider Ride a bit back. Now 
> I 
> > know the route, it's gonna' have to happen! 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:56:11 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: 
> > 
> > > David: 
> > 
> > > You have friends who would have joined you on this, even on short 
> > > notice!  Now that you've got it wired, pick a date & let's do it. 
> > 
> > > Have Atlantis, will travel. 
> > 
> > > dougP 
> > 
> > > On Sep 25, 12:56 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com"  
>
> > > wrote: 
> > > > I had a great ride this last Sunday. Haven't been able to get out 
> for a 
> > > > ride like this in a long time. Weather was perfect and I felt 
> great! 
> > > > Five hours to go 40 miles, but that's a whole other story... :-) 
> > 
> > > > I rode my All-Rounder up there and performed flawlessly. I've been 
> > > > considering putting drop bars back on, but the M bars haven't let me 
> > > down 
> > > > yet. Might have to keep them on for a while longer! 
> > 
> > > > Write up with pics for those that want to take a gander: 
> > >http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2012/09/up-up-up-hill.html 
> > 
> > > > If anyone is in the area, it's a real good outing. Maybe work out 
> > > something 
> > > > for a SoCal Riv get together!!!- Hide quoted text - 
> > 
> > - Show quoted text - 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 15:01 -0700, lungimsam wrote:
> I have bar-end shifters.
>  
> Shimano 10speed SIS/Friction for RD.
> Shimano Friction on the FD.
>  
> I do not tour, but carry commuting loads of less than 10lbs on rear
> rack.
>  
> It is just that the 34 x 27 is too hard for me on local hills. Would
> going to a 32 or 34 cassette in the rear make that much of a
> difference? Swapping a cassette does sound like the least expensive
> idea.

Going from a 27 to a 30 tooth sprocket is a good-sized shift.  Going
from a 30 to a 34 is another good-sized shift.  So the proposed cassette
change will give you two lower gears, and not piddly little unnoticeable
steps, either, but rather good healthy bites.




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[RBW] Re: RR: Riding to Angeuls Oaks via back roads

[dougP]

OK, now you've gon public!  And Mike & I will hold you to it...plus
Jim, Andy, Dustin, Esteban.

Road Trip to Redlands.

dougP

On Sep 25, 3:02 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
wrote:
> Oh yeah, on the to-do list.
>
> Mike already mentioned it would be a good Riv Rider Ride a bit back. Now I
> know the route, it's gonna' have to happen!
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:56:11 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> > David:
>
> > You have friends who would have joined you on this, even on short
> > notice!  Now that you've got it wired, pick a date & let's do it.
>
> > Have Atlantis, will travel.
>
> > dougP
>
> > On Sep 25, 12:56 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> > wrote:
> > > I had a great ride this last Sunday. Haven't been able to get out for a
> > > ride like this in a long time. Weather was perfect and I felt great!
> > > Five hours to go 40 miles, but that's a whole other story... :-)
>
> > > I rode my All-Rounder up there and performed flawlessly. I've been
> > > considering putting drop bars back on, but the M bars haven't let me
> > down
> > > yet. Might have to keep them on for a while longer!
>
> > > Write up with pics for those that want to take a gander:
> >http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2012/09/up-up-up-hill.html
>
> > > If anyone is in the area, it's a real good outing. Maybe work out
> > something
> > > for a SoCal Riv get together!!!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[dougP]

Yes, going to a 32 or 34 would be a noticeable change.  The caution is
to be aware the RD may not be able to handle it.  I was shocked when
my buddy's set-up worked.  But nothing lost if it can't handle the
large cog, at that point you change the RD as well.

Changing cranks can get somewhat involved with the bottom brackets
chainline, FD travel, etc.  Fortunately, RBWHQ would be able to advise
you on a good workable set-up to meet your needs.

Having bar ends solves a lot of problems.  For instance, if you're
fine with friction & see a 9 speed that works for you, that's an
option.  You could go to a triple in front with no need to change
shifter.  Separate levers are a Major Good Thing.

dougP

On Sep 25, 3:01 pm, lungimsam  wrote:
> > I have bar-end shifters.
>
> > Shimano 10speed SIS/Friction for RD.
> > Shimano Friction on the FD.
>
> I do not tour, but carry commuting loads of less than 10lbs on rear rack.
>
> It is just that the 34 x 27 is too hard for me on local hills. Would going
> to a 32 or 34 cassette in the rear make that much of a difference? Swapping
> a cassette does sound like the least expensive idea.
>
>
>
> - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[Dan McNamara]

The Sugino is a really beautiful crankset. Pricey but at least it includes
the BB. And it is low Q for those who care.

On my wife's Betty Foy I put a 40/26 + chain ring guard on a used XD2 crank
that I had picked up from someone here. Works great with a wide cassette -
I used the 12-36 HG61.

Dan

Marin



On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:59 PM, reynoldslugs  wrote:

> Wide Range doubles are the bee's knees, the tops, the Coliseum.
>
> My favorite is the new Sugino, here it is on a Della Santa in 26-40,
> witha SRAM 11-36 rear cassette.  It's pretty expensive, but shifts
> wonderfully:
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/7146507619/in/set-72157629609638106
>
> and:
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157629609638106/with/7146507619/
>
> Also, White Industries makes a nice one: here it is in 26-42 (it's
> also pricey), here on a Pereira:
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/7122851567/in/set-72157629558340752
>
> or:
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157629558340752/with/7122851567/
>
> And here's a do-it-yourself model: Gunnar Crosseyes with a converted
> Ritchey logic, large chainring removed, in 26-40: It also works great:
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/6365147015/in/set-72157628055130729
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157628055130729/with/6365147015/
>
> They are work well, shift better than fine.  All 3 bikes have 12-34 or
> larger cassettes.
>
> Good luck
>
> Max
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[RBW] Re: Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[reynoldslugs]

Wide Range doubles are the bee's knees, the tops, the Coliseum.

My favorite is the new Sugino, here it is on a Della Santa in 26-40,
witha SRAM 11-36 rear cassette.  It's pretty expensive, but shifts
wonderfully:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/7146507619/in/set-72157629609638106

and:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157629609638106/with/7146507619/

Also, White Industries makes a nice one: here it is in 26-42 (it's
also pricey), here on a Pereira:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/7122851567/in/set-72157629558340752

or:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157629558340752/with/7122851567/

And here's a do-it-yourself model: Gunnar Crosseyes with a converted
Ritchey logic, large chainring removed, in 26-40: It also works great:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/6365147015/in/set-72157628055130729

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157628055130729/with/6365147015/

They are work well, shift better than fine.  All 3 bikes have 12-34 or
larger cassettes.

Good luck

Max

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nice Lugged frame on ebay

[ian connelly]

A friend told me that Matthew G was working at a Berkeley shop maybe as 
recently as two years ago. 
I think it was Velo Sport, but don't quote me on it. Also, I notice there's 
a Kogswell Yahoo group still going:
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/KOG/

On Monday, September 24, 2012 1:15:02 PM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:
>
> I am the very happy owner of a model P60.   Also a remorseful seller of a 
> D58 and a F58.
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Cyclofiend 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> There was a brief arc of them into the Gallery and I have one ride-buddy 
>> (JimG - yojimg.net) who owns a gen2 P/R (the last effective "model" from 
>> Kogswell).
>>
>> The Kogswells in the Gallery can be found here:
>> http://cyclofiend.com/cc/cc-**maker.html#kogswell
>>
>> There was a KOG-specific for a while, but I am not aware of its status.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b Marathing vs. 650b Soma Xpress

[Hoffsta]

This should give you a pretty good primer...
http://vimeo.com/34667745

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[RBW] Re: Relic-ed guitars and Pre-Beausaged Rivendells...

[Kieran J]

I used to deal in the world of musical instruments, and the "relic" theme 
was mostly contained to some new model Stratocasters and Telecasters 
modeled after '50's and '60s originals. Mostly classic guitars meant to 
"look" road-worn. I always thought the notion of faking 40 years of honest 
(and often reckless) use and enjoyment, for the purpose of a sale in a 
polished retail venue like Guitar Center more than a little perverse. I 
guess it's a "quick fix" solution for those with delusions of grandeur, 
wanting to look like Keef, without actually putting in the time or having 
the raw talent.

I feel that Riv sentiment is quite different, in that the experience of 
riding itself is the payoff, with style and fashion being a matter of 
functional preference. After all, there are plenty of worn out, beat up 
parts for sale on the used market. I'm not exactly surprised most 
commenters so far have panned the idea of a pre-beausaged ride, for a 
primarily fashion-based purpose. 


On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:22:10 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>
> not to be confused with the 'Resurrectio', which was /is a decal set you 
> can get for a ressurected old trek, raleigh, etc...
>
> I think the renovelo was/is a riv that had been in, say, a crash and had 
> been repaired by riv and offered for sale as such?
>
> On Friday, September 21, 2012 11:24:03 PM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>
>> Rivendell did something along the terms of a renovelo forgot what 
>> happened to it. Let me dig through so pictures.
>> ..
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS oddsnsods

[allenmichael]

send me an email or give me a call.

Michael Allen
415 283 7579
allenmich...@mac.com

On Monday, September 24, 2012 1:22:17 PM UTC-7, Tex69 wrote:
>
> Uncut. I like my bars high. Suspension-adjusted fork also makes for higher 
> front end.
>
> Tim
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:01:20 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>
>
>  Would going to a 32 or 34 cassette in the rear make that much of a 
> difference? 
>
>>  
>>
>  
>

Yes! Will be a noticeable difference. Go w/ the 34.

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[RBW] Re: RR: Riding to Angeuls Oaks via back roads

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Oh yeah, on the to-do list. 

Mike already mentioned it would be a good Riv Rider Ride a bit back. Now I 
know the route, it's gonna' have to happen! 


On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:56:11 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> David: 
>
> You have friends who would have joined you on this, even on short 
> notice!  Now that you've got it wired, pick a date & let's do it. 
>
> Have Atlantis, will travel. 
>
> dougP 
>
> On Sep 25, 12:56 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com"  
> wrote: 
> > I had a great ride this last Sunday. Haven't been able to get out for a 
> > ride like this in a long time. Weather was perfect and I felt great! 
> > Five hours to go 40 miles, but that's a whole other story... :-) 
> > 
> > I rode my All-Rounder up there and performed flawlessly. I've been 
> > considering putting drop bars back on, but the M bars haven't let me 
> down 
> > yet. Might have to keep them on for a while longer! 
> > 
> > Write up with pics for those that want to take a gander:
> http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2012/09/up-up-up-hill.html 
> > 
> > If anyone is in the area, it's a real good outing. Maybe work out 
> something 
> > for a SoCal Riv get together!!! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[lungimsam]

>
> I have bar-end shifters.
>
 

> Shimano 10speed SIS/Friction for RD.
> Shimano Friction on the FD.
>
 
I do not tour, but carry commuting loads of less than 10lbs on rear rack.
 
It is just that the 34 x 27 is too hard for me on local hills. Would going 
to a 32 or 34 cassette in the rear make that much of a difference? Swapping 
a cassette does sound like the least expensive idea.

>  
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[RBW] Re: RR: Riding to Angeuls Oaks via back roads

[dougP]

David:

You have friends who would have joined you on this, even on short
notice!  Now that you've got it wired, pick a date & let's do it.

Have Atlantis, will travel.

dougP

On Sep 25, 12:56 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
wrote:
> I had a great ride this last Sunday. Haven't been able to get out for a
> ride like this in a long time. Weather was perfect and I felt great!
> Five hours to go 40 miles, but that's a whole other story... :-)
>
> I rode my All-Rounder up there and performed flawlessly. I've been
> considering putting drop bars back on, but the M bars haven't let me down
> yet. Might have to keep them on for a while longer!
>
> Write up with pics for those that want to take a 
> gander:http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2012/09/up-up-up-hill.html
>
> If anyone is in the area, it's a real good outing. Maybe work out something
> for a SoCal Riv get together!!!

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[RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[Norman]

I would be happier if Rivendell could still sell bikes with
Rivendellian/LOTR names (if they wanted to.)

On Sep 25, 3:46 pm, Peter Morgano  wrote:
> I have owned Rivendells from both Toyo and Waterford and cannot tell a
> difference, honestly. They were all beautiful with top notch
> craftsmanship.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Brewster Fong  wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:31:07 AM UTC-7, stee...@gmail.comwrote:
>
> >> Rivendell framesets made by Toyo - price be damned:
>
> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/**38991087@N05/4482258943/in/**photostream/
> >>http://www.handmadebikes.net/**toyo-framebuilding-dynasty.**html
>
> > Why? Is there something about Toyo that makes them better than say
> > Waterford or Riv's current custom builder - Mark Nobilette?!  Grant has
> > continued to say there isn't a difference.
>
> > I say why buy Japanese when you can get equivalent quality for *less
> > money* from a MUSA. Or am I missing something?!
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/waterfordbikes/
> >http://waterfordbikes.com/w/about/history/current-history/
>
> > Good Luck!
>
> >> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Brad Mitchell  wrote:
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> >>> back, i'm definitely stocking up and buying a couple of each of them..
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Re: [RBW] In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

[Zack]

I stick shifted my Sam when i ruined my front derailer and was waiting a 
few weeks to replace it.

I didn't dedicate a stick, i left it up to the world to provide me a stick 
when I needed it.  I also didn't shift much.  Funny how we learn to make 
do.  

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[RBW] Re: Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[dougP]

The 34 is the smallest ring on a 110 BCD.  Perhaps you can get low
enough by changing cassette and possibly RD.  Check Harris as they
usually have a nice selection of wide range cassettes.  One of my buds
got an 11-32 9 speed from them and it works (amazingly) with his short
cage Ultegra RD & STI.  He just swapped out an 11-27 and of course put
on a new chain, no other changes.

If you do get into changing cranks, the 30 / 46 combination seems
pretty popular but if you're going that far you may want to think
about your entire gearing needs.  You mention you're in hilly country;
are you carrying loads?  What type of shifters do you have?  Would you
change those?  A fair number interrelated considerations to make.
There's hours of fun to be had on this type of project.

dougP

On Sep 25, 12:49 pm, lungimsam  wrote:
> My used Bleriot came with an Ultegra drivetrain. Compact double 34 x 50,
> 11-27 in the back.
>
> It is a little too much for me on the hilly areas around where I live.
>
> So I was thinking I could just put smaller rings on the front. 30 x 46?
> Lower the front derailer a little?
>
> *Was wondering what un-racer crank toothcount you use if you have a double.*

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b Marathing vs. 650b Soma Xpress

[justinaugust]

What does tire repair look like on the road with tubeless? Boot it and tube 
it?

-Justin in Philly

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:19:05 PM UTC-4, William wrote:
>
> Tubeless is purported to stop flats in two ways.  First, there is nothing 
> to pinch, so pinch flats are impossible.  This allows us to run even lower 
> pressures without worry.  Second, the sealant is supposed to seal around 
> anything that pokes your tire.  
>
> I've only been running 650B tubeless for a few months on my commute bike. 
>  I've gotten zero flats, but I don't consider that meaningful.  I imagine a 
> huge nasty tire gasher, like a big chunk of glass or metal that rips a hole 
> in your tire is still going to give you a flat with tubeless.  On distance 
> rides, I still carry a tube, which you can still put in there on your 
> tubeless setup.  
>
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:37:25 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> How does tubeless stop flats? Not being snarky, I just am not that 
>> familiar with the whole tubeless system. 
>> On Sep 25, 2012 2:13 PM, "Hoffsta"  wrote:
>>
>>> Go Hetre and Stan's Tubeless if you want the best ride and zero concerns 
>>> about flats.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 24, 2012 3:55:00 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 Does it have puncture or sidewall protection?
 I need them for commuting and want to avoid flats and that sorta thing.

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[RBW] Re: RR: Riding to Angeuls Oaks via back roads

[Michael_S]

yea... well just schedule it. I'd love to see some pine trees!  

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.


>
> If anyone is in the area, it's a real good outing. Maybe work out 
> something for a SoCal Riv get together!!!
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[RBW] Re: Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[Michael_S]

After trying and liking a 46-32-22 on my 650B bike, I converted my 700C 
road bike to a 44-29. I've been super happy with both and with 11-30 8 
speed cassette's they work great for me. For some reason this combo is just 
great. I never used the 22 granny on the 650B bike yet, but with full 
panniers or on a super steep dirt road climb I'm sure it will be useful.
The big problem is finding older MTB 94mm bcd cranks unless you want to 
spend big $$'s for the Compass,TA, Middleburn or White ind. models that can 
do this as well.  

~mike
Carlsbad Ca

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:49:53 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>
> My used Bleriot came with an Ultegra drivetrain. Compact double 34 x 50,  
> 11-27 in the back.
>  
> It is a little too much for me on the hilly areas around where I live.
>  
> So I was thinking I could just put smaller rings on the front. 30 x 46? 
> Lower the front derailer a little?
>  
> *Was wondering what un-racer crank toothcount you use if you have a 
> double.*
>

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[RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[dougP]

Great photos; looks super comfortable.  When you get to the fenders,
think about how cool that bike would look with color matched fenders.
What a cruiser!

dougP

On Sep 25, 12:06 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
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> the right fender/tire/brake combo), and took it for its maiden voyage/first 
> commute.  What a great bike!  A couple of pics here:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023681452/in/photostream/
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[RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Peter Pesce]

Hooray! Pics!

Fantastic bike. That thing just oozes comfort!

-Pete in CT

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[RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Matt Beebe]

Gorgeous bike, man.   thank you for posting.




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[RBW] Re: Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[Peter Pesce]

One thing you could do more cheaply than a new crank is go with a 34 t 
cassette in back. 
You might have an MTB derailer lying around, and even if your buying new 
the cassette and RD woould be less than a new crank, unless of course you 
insist on Ultegra quality.

-"Big Cog" Pete (mind your spelling, folks!) in CT

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:49:53 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>
> My used Bleriot came with an Ultegra drivetrain. Compact double 34 x 50,  
> 11-27 in the back.
>  
> It is a little too much for me on the hilly areas around where I live.
>  
> So I was thinking I could just put smaller rings on the front. 30 x 46? 
> Lower the front derailer a little?
>  
> *Was wondering what un-racer crank toothcount you use if you have a 
> double.*
>

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Re: [RBW] First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Lyle Bogart]

54+? Holy Moly, that's about 9cm longer than on my Atlantis! I bet that's a
cushy ride. . . once again, gorgeous bike! Enjoy!

lyle

On 25 September 2012 16:06, Allingham II, Thomas J <
thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:

> **
> Thanks!  Just measured the chainstays -- they're even longer than I would
> have guessed, effectively 54+ cm, with rear wheel all the way back in the
> horizontal drops.  Hence, I'm guessing, the extremely cushy ride.  But
> surprisingly (or maybe not, given the tentacular diagastays), it handles
> weight way back on the rack (which I could barely mount -- the struts are
> maxed out) beautifully.  No swaying at all (I haven't loaded it really
> heavily yet, so I guess the jury's out, but it feels really sturdy back
> there).  And it is definitely not sluggish in turns -- goes where you point
> it, when you point it.  So, bottom line seems to be that you get the
> benefits that conventional wisdom says you'd get from the long chainstays,
> without (at least based on my experience) the downsides.
>
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> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Lyle Bogart
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:42 PM
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] First commute -- Mystery Bike!
>
>   Gorgeous bike! Perhaps I missed it in the previous thread about the
> build of this, but just how long are those chainstays? There's still a
> whole lotta bike behind the seat!
>
> Cheers!
>
> lyle
>
> On 25 September 2012 15:06, Allingham II, Thomas J <
> thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>> Finally got the Mystery Bike built up (still no fenders, though --
>> working on the right fender/tire/brake combo), and took it for its maiden
>> voyage/first commute.  What a great bike!  A couple of pics here:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023681452/in/photostream/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[Jim Mather]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:13 PM, William  wrote:
> Your Ultegra cranks won't take a 30.  You'll be buying a new crankset to go
> to a true compact double.  I run compact doubles on three bikes.

The smallest the Ultegra compact double will take is a 34 (well, maybe
33). Like William said, you will need a different crankset. Here's the
gospel of Sheldon Brown on smallest chain ring per BCD:
http://sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-bcd.html

Search the archives and you should find plenty of information on
possible cranksets. You will also need to consider what kind of bottom
bracket you have and whether you'll want to replace that too, or find
a compatible replacement crank.

My doubles include a 42-28, a 36-26 (mostly for dirt), and a 48-30 (road only).

Welcome to the world of parts swapping -- that's half the fun.

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[RBW] Re: Relic-ed guitars and Pre-Beausaged Rivendells...

[Liesl]

not to be confused with the 'Resurrectio', which was /is a decal set you 
can get for a ressurected old trek, raleigh, etc...

I think the renovelo was/is a riv that had been in, say, a crash and had 
been repaired by riv and offered for sale as such?

On Friday, September 21, 2012 11:24:03 PM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Rivendell did something along the terms of a renovelo forgot what happened 
> to it. Let me dig through so pictures.
> ..

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b Marathing vs. 650b Soma Xpress

[William]

Tubeless is purported to stop flats in two ways.  First, there is nothing 
to pinch, so pinch flats are impossible.  This allows us to run even lower 
pressures without worry.  Second, the sealant is supposed to seal around 
anything that pokes your tire.  

I've only been running 650B tubeless for a few months on my commute bike. 
 I've gotten zero flats, but I don't consider that meaningful.  I imagine a 
huge nasty tire gasher, like a big chunk of glass or metal that rips a hole 
in your tire is still going to give you a flat with tubeless.  On distance 
rides, I still carry a tube, which you can still put in there on your 
tubeless setup.  

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:37:25 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> How does tubeless stop flats? Not being snarky, I just am not that 
> familiar with the whole tubeless system. 
> On Sep 25, 2012 2:13 PM, "Hoffsta" > 
> wrote:
>
>> Go Hetre and Stan's Tubeless if you want the best ride and zero concerns 
>> about flats.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 24, 2012 3:55:00 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>>>
>>> Does it have puncture or sidewall protection?
>>> I need them for commuting and want to avoid flats and that sorta thing.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[William]

Your Ultegra cranks won't take a 30.  You'll be buying a new crankset to go 
to a true compact double.  I run compact doubles on three bikes.  

My commuter has a chainguard+42+26 on a 130/74 BCD in front with a 6 speed 
13x24 freewheel in back.  
My Hilsen has a 44/30 on 94mm BCD in front with a 9 speed 11-26 in back.
My road bike has a 44/30 White Industries VBC in front with a 9 speed 12-27 
in back.  

I've never thought to myself on any of those three bikes:  "dang, I need a 
higher top end gear"



On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:49:53 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>
> My used Bleriot came with an Ultegra drivetrain. Compact double 34 x 50,  
> 11-27 in the back.
>  
> It is a little too much for me on the hilly areas around where I live.
>  
> So I was thinking I could just put smaller rings on the front. 30 x 46? 
> Lower the front derailer a little?
>  
> *Was wondering what un-racer crank toothcount you use if you have a 
> double.*
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

A friend of mine had a pair of Rock 'n' Roads on his '80s MTB and told me he 
LOVED them -- some real trail traction without any road buzz.  So I tried them 
and liked them a lot -- my commute is mostly packed gravel or dirt trails, and 
they seemed a little better suited to it than the Marathons.  (Which I like a 
lot, BTW -- just not as well suited for the use this bike will mostly get.)


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Beautiful!

What happened to the Marathons it came with?



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RE: [RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Sugino XD-2 (the Quickbeam version, with the 40-32 rings on the middle and 
inner, and a guard on the outer position).  As others have said in different 
threads, no FD -- you gotta shift with your finger or a stick or whatnot (maybe 
I'll use my daughter's old Hogwarts wand!).


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What crankset is that on the front?

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[RBW] Re: Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[justinaugust]

I have a compact double with a 34/48 and a custom cassette in the back that 
goes from 12 up to 30 in evenly spaced 2-3 tooth increments with a 34 
plastered on afterwards. Great for the combination of flats and hills. 

-J

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:49:53 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>
> My used Bleriot came with an Ultegra drivetrain. Compact double 34 x 50,  
> 11-27 in the back.
>  
> It is a little too much for me on the hilly areas around where I live.
>  
> So I was thinking I could just put smaller rings on the front. 30 x 46? 
> Lower the front derailer a little?
>  
> *Was wondering what un-racer crank toothcount you use if you have a 
> double.*
>

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RE: [RBW] First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Thanks!  Just measured the chainstays -- they're even longer than I would have 
guessed, effectively 54+ cm, with rear wheel all the way back in the horizontal 
drops.  Hence, I'm guessing, the extremely cushy ride.  But surprisingly (or 
maybe not, given the tentacular diagastays), it handles weight way back on the 
rack (which I could barely mount -- the struts are maxed out) beautifully.  No 
swaying at all (I haven't loaded it really heavily yet, so I guess the jury's 
out, but it feels really sturdy back there).  And it is definitely not sluggish 
in turns -- goes where you point it, when you point it.  So, bottom line seems 
to be that you get the benefits that conventional wisdom says you'd get from 
the long chainstays, without (at least based on my experience) the downsides.


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Gorgeous bike! Perhaps I missed it in the previous thread about the build of 
this, but just how long are those chainstays? There's still a whole lotta bike 
behind the seat!

Cheers!

lyle

On 25 September 2012 15:06, Allingham II, Thomas J 
mailto:thomas.alling...@skadden.com>> wrote:
Finally got the Mystery Bike built up (still no fenders, though -- working on 
the right fender/tire/brake combo), and took it for its maiden voyage/first 
commute.  What a great bike!  A couple of pics here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023681452/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023688058/in/photostream/

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[RBW] RR: Riding to Angeuls Oaks via back roads

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

I had a great ride this last Sunday. Haven't been able to get out for a 
ride like this in a long time. Weather was perfect and I felt great! 
Five hours to go 40 miles, but that's a whole other story... :-)

I rode my All-Rounder up there and performed flawlessly. I've been 
considering putting drop bars back on, but the M bars haven't let me down 
yet. Might have to keep them on for a while longer!

Write up with pics for those that want to take a gander: 
http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2012/09/up-up-up-hill.html  

If anyone is in the area, it's a real good outing. Maybe work out something 
for a SoCal Riv get together!!!

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[RBW] Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[lungimsam]

My used Bleriot came with an Ultegra drivetrain. Compact double 34 x 50,  
11-27 in the back.
 
It is a little too much for me on the hilly areas around where I live.
 
So I was thinking I could just put smaller rings on the front. 30 x 46? 
Lower the front derailer a little?
 
*Was wondering what un-racer crank toothcount you use if you have a double.*

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[Brewster Fong]

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:31:07 AM UTC-7, stee...@gmail.com wrote: 
>
> Rivendell framesets made by Toyo - price be damned: 
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38991087@N05/4482258943/in/photostream/ 
> http://www.handmadebikes.net/toyo-framebuilding-dynasty.html 
>
 
Why? Is there something about Toyo that makes them better than say 
Waterford or Riv's current custom builder - Mark Nobilette?!  Grant has 
continued to say there isn't a difference. 
 
I say why buy Japanese when you can get equivalent quality for *less money* 
from a MUSA. Or am I missing something?! 
 
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/waterfordbikes/
http://waterfordbikes.com/w/about/history/current-history/
 
Good Luck!
 

>  
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Brad Mitchell 
> > wrote:
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>> back, i'm definitely stocking up and buying a couple of each of them.. 
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Re: [RBW] First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Lyle Bogart]

Gorgeous bike! Perhaps I missed it in the previous thread about the build
of this, but just how long are those chainstays? There's still a whole
lotta bike behind the seat!

Cheers!

lyle

On 25 September 2012 15:06, Allingham II, Thomas J <
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> **
> Finally got the Mystery Bike built up (still no fenders, though -- working
> on the right fender/tire/brake combo), and took it for its maiden
> voyage/first commute.  What a great bike!  A couple of pics here:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023681452/in/photostream/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[William]

LEGOLAS!

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:31:07 AM UTC-7, stee...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Rivendell framesets made by Toyo - price be damned:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38991087@N05/4482258943/in/photostream/
> http://www.handmadebikes.net/toyo-framebuilding-dynasty.html 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Brad Mitchell 
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[RBW] Re: 650b Marathing vs. 650b Soma Xpress

[lungimsam]

Do the Marathons feel draggy? Or do they roll nicely?
 
I am leaning towards the Marathons, just because I feel they may be the 
better made tire.
 
Nothing against the Soma's but I think they are Panaracer. And All three of 
my Panaracer tires have splits in the sidewalls when new.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

On Monday, September 24, 2012 11:09:53 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

> Have you ridden both?
>  
> Which one felt faster to you?
>  
> Click to see the tires:
>  
>
>>  
>>>
 *Soma Xpress 650B x 38 (34.71) - 
 10118*
> * Schwalbe Marathon wire GreenGuard 
> HS420*
>
 *  *
>>>
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[RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[lungimsam]

>
> What crankset is that on the front?
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[RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[lungimsam]

>
> Beautiful!
>
What happened to the Marathons it came with? 

>  
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[RBW] First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Finally got the Mystery Bike built up (still no fenders, though -- working on 
the right fender/tire/brake combo), and took it for its maiden voyage/first 
commute.  What a great bike!  A couple of pics here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023681452/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023688058/in/photostream/

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[RBW] Re: 650b Marathing vs. 650b Soma Xpress

[rcnute]

For commuting I use B-Lines from April-September and Marathons from
October-March.  So I can avoid possibly changing flats in the rain in
Seattle.  (My B-Lines are not flat prone but Marathons are
indestructible and I think they ride pretty well in 650b.)

Ryan

On Sep 24, 3:55 pm, lungimsam  wrote:
> Does it have puncture or sidewall protection?
> I need them for commuting and want to avoid flats and that sorta thing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 24, 2012 11:09:53 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
> > Have you ridden both?
>
> > Which one felt faster to you?
>
> > Click to see the tires:
>
>  *Soma Xpress 650B x 38 (34.71) - 
>  10118*
> > * Schwalbe Marathon wire GreenGuard 
> > HS420*
>
>  *  *

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b Marathing vs. 650b Soma Xpress

[Peter Morgano]

How does tubeless stop flats? Not being snarky, I just am not that familiar
with the whole tubeless system.
On Sep 25, 2012 2:13 PM, "Hoffsta"  wrote:

> Go Hetre and Stan's Tubeless if you want the best ride and zero concerns
> about flats.
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 24, 2012 3:55:00 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Does it have puncture or sidewall protection?
>> I need them for commuting and want to avoid flats and that sorta thing.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[steel lugs]

Rivendell framesets made by Toyo - price be damned:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38991087@N05/4482258943/in/photostream/
http://www.handmadebikes.net/toyo-framebuilding-dynasty.html





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> Really miss the seersucker and railroad shirts. If or when they come back,
> i'm definitely stocking up and buying a couple of each of them..
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[RBW] WTT: tires

[rex]

hi
i have a set of irc mythos cx 700cx42 tires in good condition id like to 
trade/sell. i got them from a list member for my quickbeam, but they dont 
fit under the fenders and i dont want to remove the fenders just to have 
knobby tires.
ideally id like to trade them for a set of knobby mtn bike tires in 26x2.1 
range. i have an old bridgestone nb-26 that i can switch from slicks to 
knobbies on, and that would work for my off roading purposes too. 
other trades considered as well.
alternately i would sell them for $30 for the pair plus $5 shipping.
thanks for your time
joe kelly
columbus ohio

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[RBW] Re: OT: Advice on trailer hitch mounted bicycle racks

[sancruz]

I have the Saris Thelma 3 on the back of my VW wagon, and it works 
flawlessly!  The rack is easily removed from the hitch by unthreading a 
single bolt.  When its on the car, but not in use, it folds up 90 degrees 
to nest against the back of the car.  Its super simple to put the bikes 
onto the rack too - you just need to lift the bike up about 12+ inches into 
the trays and wrap a locking strap around each wheel for a solid hold.  You 
can get 3 bikes on the rack and never have to worry about the bikes rubbing 
on one another, and much better for fuel economy too!  

On Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:09:52 PM UTC-5, Scot Brooks wrote:
>
> I'm going to be picking up a little Class 1 trailer hitch and bike rack 
> for my Honda Fit, and I'm hoping for some advice. The hitch is easy, but 
> the selection of racks is a little overwhelming, even with the reviews and 
> all that.
>
> I'm just wondering if anyone has specifically gone this route and found 
> something they'd happily recommend. Thanks all!
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[RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[Bill Lucas]

I would hope for a new Rambouillet.  Also, larger (~64cm) bicycles with 
single top tubes.

Bill Lucas
Watsonville, CA

On Saturday, September 22, 2012 7:27:43 AM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Kinda sad that I missed out on what I believe was the "Golden Years" of 
> Rivendell products. Not saying that their products aren't Golden now. It's 
> just that I always end up finding Rivendell products on ebay that were sold 
> years before I even found the website.  With that these are things I wish 
> Rivendell sold still.
>
> Rivendell wool jersey! < Always feel like when I find one my size on 
> ebay they go for 4 !times the original price. I like pockets on my back I 
> feel for biking it's the easy accessible place to grab things. Also they 
> make for great places for hiding bananas 
>
> Aussie leather slipper wool socks << I had two pairs of these that were a 
> size too big for me but I would still regularly used on camping trips. I 
> loved them! But after a couple of washing the leather bottoms were done. 
> When I went back to try to get them
>
> Wool Uno pocket shirt<--- I remember seeing these on the website and 
> thinking how smart it was but never jumped on it because I was a poor 
> college student. Now Rapha sells one for like 80 dollars! I felt they were 
> a smart design that was way before their time. 
>
> Rivendell Brooks saddle? <-- I've seen these floating around the internet 
> from time to time. I thought it was a neat idea. 
>
> Anyone else have other things they wish Rivendell still sold?
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[Brad Mitchell]

Really miss the seersucker and railroad shirts. If or when they come back, 
i'm definitely stocking up and buying a couple of each of them..

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[RBW] Re: 650b Marathing vs. 650b Soma Xpress

[Hoffsta]

Go Hetre and Stan's Tubeless if you want the best ride and zero concerns 
about flats.



On Monday, September 24, 2012 3:55:00 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
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> Does it have puncture or sidewall protection?
> I need them for commuting and want to avoid flats and that sorta thing.
>
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[RBW] Re: Any commuters here?

[Jimmy Hutch]

I took ownership of an AHH in June and have average five 25 mile legs / 
week; sometimes round-trip by bike, sometimes round-trip  by train, 
sometimes one way each. My Riv replaced a Merlin Agilis and it didn't 
impact my commute time at all BUT it is much more a pleasant ride on the 
Riv.

Long Island to Downtown NYC.

-Jimmy

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nice Lugged frame on ebay

[steel lugs]

Was hopeful Longleaf Bicycles would successfully take over the production
of Kogswell framesets, but it is unclear if this project has officially
been called off...

http://www.longleafbicycles.com/2009/11/650b-frameset-news-part-1-of-2/



On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Scott Henry  wrote:

> Ahhh Memories...
>
> Two of my rides right here:
> http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2005/cc010-scotthenry0605.html
>
> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2003/henry.htm
>
> Good Times.
> Scott
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Scott Henry  wrote:
>
>> I am the very happy owner of a model P60.   Also a remorseful seller of a
>> D58 and a F58.
>>
>> Now that I have learned my lesson, the P won't be leaving my stable.
>> The first two Kogswells were the D and F, essentailly a deraileur and fixed
>> version of the same bike in a lovely kustard and black paint.  The F was
>> interesting in that it was designed around 135mm track dropouts allowing
>> mountainbike singlespeed setups or Kogswell own hubsets.  The D was OK, I
>> really just got it to have a matched pair, the F was extremely comfortable
>> with its laid back angles.
>>
>> The P is just about a Rambouillet with slightly different (ECO) tubing
>> and un-carved Pacenti artisain lugs.   Mine built up well years ago and has
>> yet to give me any trouble at all.   From my dealings Matthew Grimm was
>> always easy to deal with and a pleasure to talk to.  I would have purchased
>> a P/R but that heavier duty/Loads/trekking style of bike was never my style.
>>
>> If a Kogswell ever comes back around, don't hesitate, it will be a great
>> bike.  Someone got a hellofa deal.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Scott Henry
>> Dayton, OH
>>
>>
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[RBW] WTB/WTT: 46cm Noodle Bars

[Brian Campbell]

Looking for a set of 46cm Noodles. Have some stuff to trade or paypal. 
Please let me know.

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[RBW] Re: OT: Advice on trailer hitch mounted bicycle racks

[Jim]

You might want to explore the possibility of a 2" receiver. That might give 
you a more solid base for the rack. I have a used one ( make unknown) but a 
good feature is the use of a bolt to secure the bike rack to the receiver. 
 Jim D   Massachusetts

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> Thanks for the great insight, everyone!
>
> David - with a platform rack, is is possible to secure two bikes with 
> nearly identical stand over height? Do the hooks at the top have a way to 
> deal with this?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Max tire on a Rambouillet?

[Tim Whalen]

Thanks!  Looks comfy.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:16 PM, reynoldslugs  wrote:

>
> a better shot:
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/6274348308/in/set-72157627837620505/
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> Max Beach
> Sonoma County, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: Advice on trailer hitch mounted bicycle racks

[Bruce Baker]

Check out this KUAT rack.
http://kuatracks.com/products/bike/alpha/


On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> I decided to post since I saw the maker Softride come up, though my post
> won't relate to the original question.  But if you have a pickup, the
> Softride tailgate pad is the best thing since sliced and buttered bread.
>  $80 if you hunt around online - OK, e-trailer.  Have hauled one to five
> bikes across the back of my truck
>
>
> 
>
> easy on, easy off, secure and safe.  When I first loaded bikes I couldn't
> believe this was enough, so a pair of kayak-hauling ratchet straps through
> the seat rails to further secure the bikes - but it wasn't needed - all it
> did was vibrate the straps.  I've found for each bike, two velcro straps to
> the headtube - one from each side, and one to each side is all I need to
> securely hold the bikes and I can drive like - well, like I normally do.
>
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:16:20 AM UTC-5, Rob wrote:
>>
>> I went through this selection process a year or so ago. I settled on a
>> Softride Dura for my wife's station wagon, based on wanting something that
>> folded down to allow access to the hatch, and I thought getting the backs
>> on a rear rack would be easier than lifting them up onto a roof rack. I
>> found one on craigslist: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**
>> robharrison/5969361080/
>>  The
>> Dura has an adapter that allows it to fit both 1 1/4" and 2" receivers, but
>> the 1 1/4" adapter moves the whole rack back about 8", which makes for a
>> pretty long cantilever: http://www.flickr.**com/photos/robharrison/**
>> 5969363620/   The
>> rack is bolted on, very sturdy, and quite heavy. We leave it on all the
>> time. The bars that actually hold the bikes come off, so you can put those
>> in the back of the car. The rubber straps that fasten the bikes to the rack
>> arms are secure, but not at all easy to attach. There are provisions for
>> anti-sway straps too, which work well, but are also hard to attach. I
>> haven't had any issues with scratching of bikes with the rack. I take care
>> to slide the rubber straps under any cables. We've had two kids' bikes and
>> two adult bikes on the rack. I like the fact that the bikes sit behind the
>> car, which affords better mileage I imagine than having the bikes on top.
>>
>> That said, if I had it to do over again, because of the difficulty of
>> strapping the bikes on with this rack, and the versatility of being able to
>> carry other stuff too (skis, canoe) on a roof rack, I'd get a roof rack
>> with an arm like the KC Metro buses have instead, like this Thule Sidearm:
>> http://www.thule.com/**en-US/US/Products/Bike-**
>> Carriers/RoofCarriers/594XT-**SidearmAs
>>  I understand it, Thule bought the rights to use this design from the
>> Seattle company which makes the racks for the buses. Sportsrack maybe? You
>> can still sometimes find the car roof racks they made on craigslist.
>>
>> Rob in Seattle
>>
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Re: [RBW] Minoura seatpost grabber

[René Sterental]

Thanks! Just placed an order for one.

René

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Leslie  wrote:

> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/tl022.htm
>
> I already had a bike stand;  but when I saw the Minoura stand that RBW
> has, I noticed the seatpost grabber, and really liked it.  At that point,
> RBW said they couldn't get those, that they had a lot of requests for them
> but couldn't get those alone.  Then I tried contacting Minoura USA, and
> even Minoura in Japan, trying to get one, and it just wasn't possible, it
> seemed.  A year later, I'd try again, and come up empty again.
>
> The other night, I spotted these, that they'd appeared on the RBW site.
> Ordered mine right then.  Arrived last night.
>
> Since they'd said that other folks had asked about them before, I thought
> I'd point out to the Bunch that they're available...
>
> -L
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[RBW] Re: OT: Advice on trailer hitch mounted bicycle racks

[Ron Mc]

I decided to post since I saw the maker Softride come up, though my post 
won't relate to the original question.  But if you have a pickup, the 
Softride tailgate pad is the best thing since sliced and buttered bread. 
 $80 if you hunt around online - OK, e-trailer.  Have hauled one to five 
bikes across the back of my truck 



easy on, easy off, secure and safe.  When I first loaded bikes I couldn't 
believe this was enough, so a pair of kayak-hauling ratchet straps through 
the seat rails to further secure the bikes - but it wasn't needed - all it 
did was vibrate the straps.  I've found for each bike, two velcro straps to 
the headtube - one from each side, and one to each side is all I need to 
securely hold the bikes and I can drive like - well, like I normally do.  

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:16:20 AM UTC-5, Rob wrote:
>
> I went through this selection process a year or so ago. I settled on a 
> Softride Dura for my wife's station wagon, based on wanting something that 
> folded down to allow access to the hatch, and I thought getting the backs 
> on a rear rack would be easier than lifting them up onto a roof rack. I 
> found one on craigslist: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/robharrison/5969361080/ The Dura has an 
> adapter that allows it to fit both 1 1/4" and 2" receivers, but the 1 1/4" 
> adapter moves the whole rack back about 8", which makes for a pretty long 
> cantilever: http://www.flickr.com/photos/robharrison/5969363620/  The 
> rack is bolted on, very sturdy, and quite heavy. We leave it on all the 
> time. The bars that actually hold the bikes come off, so you can put those 
> in the back of the car. The rubber straps that fasten the bikes to the rack 
> arms are secure, but not at all easy to attach. There are provisions for 
> anti-sway straps too, which work well, but are also hard to attach. I 
> haven't had any issues with scratching of bikes with the rack. I take care 
> to slide the rubber straps under any cables. We've had two kids' bikes and 
> two adult bikes on the rack. I like the fact that the bikes sit behind the 
> car, which affords better mileage I imagine than having the bikes on top. 
>
> That said, if I had it to do over again, because of the difficulty of 
> strapping the bikes on with this rack, and the versatility of being able to 
> carry other stuff too (skis, canoe) on a roof rack, I'd get a roof rack 
> with an arm like the KC Metro buses have instead, like this Thule Sidearm: 
> http://www.thule.com/en-US/US/Products/Bike-Carriers/RoofCarriers/594XT-SidearmAs
>  I understand it, Thule bought the rights to use this design from the 
> Seattle company which makes the racks for the buses. Sportsrack maybe? You 
> can still sometimes find the car roof racks they made on craigslist.
>
> Rob in Seattle 
>

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[RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[Liesl]

plaid seersucker shirts

Rivendell Riders Brooks B17

old school design Baggins saddle bags

cloisonne (how do your spell THAT?) fridge magnets

luscious all-wool grey monkey socks and low stripey socks that wore out in 
the heels and I don't even care; still wearing mine with holes

...and glad I have a Riv jersey
...and glad they brought back the sweater vest; have mine on this very 
moment

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Re: [RBW] OT: Advice on trailer hitch mounted bicycle racks

[René Sterental]

If your bikes have fenders and you don't want to hang them from the top
tubes (I don't!), then there are only three options in the market for tray
based hitch racks:

Yakima Stickup 2 - This is the one I upgraded to from the Thule (see below)
mainly for its curved arm to help clear curbs and driveways, as well as the
added separation between the two bikes as well as their completely
independent arms. It has no integrated locks, but I take care of that with
a bike chain when I'm parked.

Thule DoubleTrack - This is the one I used on my Corolla and Prius, but it
had the bad habit of hitting the ground when going up and down driveways.
Additionally, the bikes are quite close together which sometimes created
issues with my Rivendells.

Swagman XC2 - I've never used this, so I cannot comment on them.

Bpth the Corolla and Prius have Class 1 hitches and I never had any issues
with the Thule. I have just upgraded to the Stickup 2.

René

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Re: [RBW] OT: Advice on trailer hitch mounted bicycle racks

[Bruce Baker]

No It wouldn't work on fenders.  The hook clamps onto the tire to hold the
bike in place

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Kelly  wrote:

> Does that mount work on fenders?  I was afraid it would been them. Steel
> fenders anyway.
>
> Kelly
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[RBW] Re: OT: Advice on trailer hitch mounted bicycle racks

[Rob]

I went through this selection process a year or so ago. I settled on a 
Softride Dura for my wife's station wagon, based on wanting something that 
folded down to allow access to the hatch, and I thought getting the backs 
on a rear rack would be easier than lifting them up onto a roof rack. I 
found one on craigslist: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robharrison/5969361080/ The Dura has an 
adapter that allows it to fit both 1 1/4" and 2" receivers, but the 1 1/4" 
adapter moves the whole rack back about 8", which makes for a pretty long 
cantilever: http://www.flickr.com/photos/robharrison/5969363620/  The rack 
is bolted on, very sturdy, and quite heavy. We leave it on all the time. 
The bars that actually hold the bikes come off, so you can put those in the 
back of the car. The rubber straps that fasten the bikes to the rack arms 
are secure, but not at all easy to attach. There are provisions for 
anti-sway straps too, which work well, but are also hard to attach. I 
haven't had any issues with scratching of bikes with the rack. I take care 
to slide the rubber straps under any cables. We've had two kids' bikes and 
two adult bikes on the rack. I like the fact that the bikes sit behind the 
car, which affords better mileage I imagine than having the bikes on top. 

That said, if I had it to do over again, because of the difficulty of 
strapping the bikes on with this rack, and the versatility of being able to 
carry other stuff too (skis, canoe) on a roof rack, I'd get a roof rack 
with an arm like the KC Metro buses have instead, like this Thule Sidearm: 
http://www.thule.com/en-US/US/Products/Bike-Carriers/RoofCarriers/594XT-SidearmAs
 I understand it, Thule bought the rights to use this design from the 
Seattle company which makes the racks for the buses. Sportsrack maybe? You 
can still sometimes find the car roof racks they made on craigslist.

Rob in Seattle 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[Dave]

This happens only because the OP said "Things I wish RBW STILL sold", 
and was probably intended to ruminate about beloved and bygone 
products.  A few people misread this as applying to products that are, 
in fact, still available, just not at RBW.



On 9/25/2012 7:09 AM, Zack wrote:
to the person who mentioned paul component stuff, i think they can get 
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[RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[opa...@gmail.com]

Those little coin holders with the bike badge logos on them.  I always 
wanted one with the Atlantis logo but I have an AHH one at least.

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[RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[Zack]

to the person who mentioned paul component stuff, i think they can get it 
if you ask.

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Re: [RBW] OT: Advice on trailer hitch mounted bicycle racks

[Kelly]

Does that mount work on fenders?  I was afraid it would been them. Steel 
fenders anyway.

Kelly

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[RBW] Minoura seatpost grabber

[Leslie]

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/tl022.htm

I already had a bike stand;  but when I saw the Minoura stand that RBW has, 
I noticed the seatpost grabber, and really liked it.  At that point, RBW 
said they couldn't get those, that they had a lot of requests for them but 
couldn't get those alone.  Then I tried contacting Minoura USA, and even 
Minoura in Japan, trying to get one, and it just wasn't possible, it 
seemed.  A year later, I'd try again, and come up empty again.

The other night, I spotted these, that they'd appeared on the RBW site.   
Ordered mine right then.  Arrived last night.  

Since they'd said that other folks had asked about them before, I thought 
I'd point out to the Bunch that they're available...

-L


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Re: [RBW] OT: Advice on trailer hitch mounted bicycle racks

[Bruce Baker]

I have had a thule drop down hitch rack for about ten years.  This is
the one that the wheels set in trays and it is secured in back with a
rim strap and in front with an adjustable
hook in the front.  I have had no porblem with it and use it 4 times a
week.  If I was going to buy a new one I would look at the Kuat. Those
are pretty cool on of them has an integrated clamp bike stand on the
rack.
My two cents...

On 9/24/12, Horace  wrote:
> We did this to our Honda Fit. The Class 1 hitch has a maximum
> recommended vertical load of 200lb, so the salesman at the shop
> recommended that we use the lightest possible rack. We would have
> preferred a tray rack, but we settled for the Thule Helium rack for
> two bikes.
>
> H.
>
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Scot Brooks 
> wrote:
>> I'm going to be picking up a little Class 1 trailer hitch and bike rack
>> for
>> my Honda Fit, and I'm hoping for some advice. The hitch is easy, but the
>> selection of racks is a little overwhelming, even with the reviews and
>> all
>> that.
>>
>> I'm just wondering if anyone has specifically gone this route and found
>> something they'd happily recommend. Thanks all!
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Re: [RBW] Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[Joe Bernard]

Beth sold me a pair of those. An excellent cooler-weather product.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:53:55 PM UTC-7, Phil Bickford wrote:

> Speaking of Wooly Warm, I'd like another pair of their wool pants.  My 
> pair has been through two rebuildings and could use replacement.  I know 
> someone offered me theirs a while back when I was out of money.  With front 
> pockets (they zipped) and one rear you could actually almost make them pass 
> for pedestrian.
>
> Phil B
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