Re: [RBW] Please review this bell from Rivendell...

[Joe Bunik]

On 3/13/13, Michael  wrote:
> Was thinking of getting this.
> *http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bellhed.htm*
>
> My only concern is I think it doesn't rotate around the steerer tube, so
> one would have to know exactly where you want it facing before cranking
> down on the headset locknut.
> I can rehearse that with my regular bell before installing.
> The price is very nice.
> I have lotsa room for it on the sterrer tube/headset.
>
> Let me know if you have it and like it, and if anything to think twice
> about before attempting installation.
>
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[RBW] Please review this bell from Rivendell...

[Michael]

Was thinking of getting this. 
*http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bellhed.htm*
 
My only concern is I think it doesn't rotate around the steerer tube, so 
one would have to know exactly where you want it facing before cranking 
down on the headset locknut.
I can rehearse that with my regular bell before installing.
The price is very nice.
I have lotsa room for it on the sterrer tube/headset.
 
Let me know if you have it and like it, and if anything to think twice 
about before attempting installation.
 

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Re: [RBW] Eastern OR/Columbia Gorge Riv Ride?

[Aaron Young]

If I can swing a schedule swap at work, I'm in. Fingers crossed...

Aaron Y.
Vancouver, WA

On Wednesday, March 13, 2013, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I got a couple replies off list, so I went ahead and created an event on
> the ride calendar. Portland is close enough for this to be a day ride, but
> if folks are driving down from Seattle, an overnighter seems appropriate to
> justify the 4 hour drive time.
>
> --Smitty
>
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2013 1:44:28 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> From the comments in my other post about riding in the area just east of
>> the Columbia River Gorge, it sounds like there might be some interest in
>> doing a Riv ride out that way. An "if you organize it, they will come" sort
>> of thing. I was eyeing April 6th (Saturday) to organize some sort of PDX
>> area Riv-ride. Perhaps if there's interest, the ride could be moved east
>> (The Dalles Mtn 60 route, Dufur to Maupin, or something else). I wouldn't
>> be opposed to making it an overnighter (Sat-Sun) if there's interest in
>> that.
>>
>> Would you be interested?
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> --Smitty
>>
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[RBW] Re: Eastern OR/Columbia Gorge Riv Ride?

[Mike]

I'm definitely in for the April 6th ride. I got the green light from my 
wife. Really looking forward to this.

--mike

On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:44:47 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>
> I got a couple replies off list, so I went ahead and created an event on 
> the ride calendar. Portland is close enough for this to be a day ride, but 
> if folks are driving down from Seattle, an overnighter seems appropriate to 
> justify the 4 hour drive time. 
>
> --Smitty
>  
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2013 1:44:28 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> From the comments in my other post about riding in the area just east of 
>> the Columbia River Gorge, it sounds like there might be some interest in 
>> doing a Riv ride out that way. An "if you organize it, they will come" sort 
>> of thing. I was eyeing April 6th (Saturday) to organize some sort of PDX 
>> area Riv-ride. Perhaps if there's interest, the ride could be moved east 
>> (The Dalles Mtn 60 route, Dufur to Maupin, or something else). I wouldn't 
>> be opposed to making it an overnighter (Sat-Sun) if there's interest in 
>> that. 
>>
>> Would you be interested?
>>
>> Thoughts?  
>>
>> --Smitty
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Replying Directly to The Author of a Post

[Kelly]

I turned of the e-mail piece a long time ago.  I check it on the computer 
as a forum / news group but have never liked the email style of monitoring. 
  

Kelly

On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:25:27 AM UTC-5, kennet...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I agree with Dan on this one.  Most of the time on the lists that are 
> configured to always reply to the list I just don't reply.  I dislike the 
> chatter that comes from people replying to everyone with things that only 
> apply to the individual and it's a hassle to cut their address and change 
> the recipient.  I've been thinking of unsubscribing from this group due to 
> the infamous signal/noise ratio problems associated with reply to list 
> defaults but I'm giving it some more time.
>
> -Ken
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2013, Dan Abelson wrote:
>
>> I think Jim meant that the reply to author function is available if you 
>> do the hover thing when you are viewing the list in Google Groups not 
>> Gmail.  If you want to reply to author in gmail you need to cut and paste 
>> the address.
>>
>> I prefer the way IBOB works where the default is reply to author instead 
>> of group especially when viewing on my phone because if I want to send to 
>> the group the group is already in my address book so it can be added easily 
>> without cutting and pasting.  If I accidentally send to the group instead 
>> of the individual its not a big deal, I can just resend to the group, but 
>> when the group is the default you end up with a bunch of extra emails that 
>> were meant for the individual especially on FS posts.
>>
>> Dan Abelson
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:18 AM, René Sterental wrote:
>>
>>> I've never seen the "Reply to Author" and don't see it now... I'm using 
>>> the latest Safari on Mountain Lion. Haven't seen it in Explorer 9 on my 
>>> Windows 7 PC at work either.
>>>
>>> What I do is hover my mouse over the name of the sender, so a card with 
>>> the name, e-mail address, photo, etc. of the author displays and then 
>>> highlight the e-mail address to copy it.
>>>
>>>  The mysteries of Gmail...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Leslie  wrote:
>>>
 It's not flash; but iOS/ 'mobile' format is limited.

 However, at the bottom, there is a 'Desktop' link that forces mobile 
 Safari to show the full version;  at that point, you can reply to the 
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[RBW] Re: FS - 52cm Sam Hillborne and Nitto rack - $800

[Manuel Acosta]

Such a great price for this bike. Too bad its not my size... and I already 
have a Hillborne. Congrats to the future buyer the jumps on this deal.

Yoshi if you are willing to part out with those Grand Bois Hetres. I would 
love to grab 'em

-Manny

On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:09:39 PM UTC-7, yoshi wrote:
>
> I bought this Hillborne from Rich Lesnik (Hands on Wheels) a few years ago 
> and have enjoyed riding it immensely but it's time to make space for other 
> projects.
>
> It's a 52cm Waterford-built Sam Hillborne (original sparkling green color) 
> designed for cantilever brakes.
> Aside from a few paint knicks, some scrapes from chain suck on the 
> chainstay, and a small paint touch-up done by Rich on the seat tube, the 
> bicycle and paint are in excellent condition.
> I'm also including a Rivendell Nitto mini-front rack in excellent 
> condition, Tange bottom bracket, Tange headset, Kalloy seatpost, and a 
> small bottle of touch-up paint.
>
> I'd like to get $800 plus shipping.
> I'm in Sacramento so delivery could be arranged for Bay Area folks.
>
> Here's a flickr set of the bike:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/36781373@N03/sets/72157632918192558/
>
> I also have a used set of white Grand Bois Hetres and a single black Hetre 
> that could be added to the mix.
>
> Thanks for your consideration.
>
> Lee in Sacramento.
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[RBW] General short thought on current bikes

[Kelly]

Ok so I have the full fledged mountain bike Bombadil and feels really good. 
After getting Ram built up and being unable to find a 68cm Atlantis I started 
working more with the Homer for that roll.
So added Marks rack, Arkel handle bar bag and large saddlesack for camera gear 
and general riding.  I'm an settling for 700x40s so I have room for fenders 
though plastic for now.  After riding the AHH today with 700x50's I'm once 
again looking for a solution .. But oh well, those tires barely fit but sure 
road nice.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8554739885/in/photostream/lightbox/

Also found myself wanting canti's for a stronger front rack, bigger tires, blah 
blah.

The RAM is doing what the AHH was for leaning more towards speed and the AHH is 
attempting to do the job of the Atlantis.   (Trying anyway).   Have to give it 
another chance with low riders, better tweaking on tire pressure .. Then it 
should be fine...  It is fine.. Still the bike the gets ridden he most.

Kelly. 

Ps.  There was no point other than talking out loud in print debating what to 
do.. Now rims. Are also driving me nuts

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[RBW] Re: Hi from Kai, Hillborne roller and web enthusiast

[Brian Campbell]

Welcome. FWIW, buy the SON hub. I bought one in 2006, thousands of miles in 
wet, cold, off road and it still works fine. Buy it once.It is worth it.

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[RBW] Re: Hi from Kai, Hillborne roller and web enthusiast

[Tom Harrop]

Every time I see a large bike, I can't help thinking, "would it fit me?", 
hence the saddle height question. But Liesl's right, I can see how that 
would be considered weird out in the real world...!

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Re: [RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[Eric Norris]

If you want to hear an exchange between the guests about whether the Wheat 
Belly effect is real, listen to the podcast at 9:20 in ...

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
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On Mar 13, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corp) recently hosted a very interesting 
> discussion with the author of "Wheat Belly". Podcast is available for 
> download here:
> 
> http://www.cbc.ca/q/blog/2013/02/07/are-wheat-free-diets-a-fad/
> 
> Also on the show was Timothy Caulfield, Canada Research Chair in Health Law 
> and Policy at the University of Alberta.
> 
> With all due respect to PeterG, Mr. Caulfield points out many times in the 
> interview the danger of relying on anecdotal information and individual 
> experiences. PeterG's recovery is remarkable, but it's not necessary proof 
> that the "Wheat Belly" diet works. Mr. Davis, author of Wheat Belly, provides 
> a number of individual accounts like PeterG's during the interview; Mr. 
> Caulfield just as often points out that there are no clinical studies to 
> prove what Mr. Davis says.
> 
> Listen to the podcast. It's excellent.
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
> 
> On Mar 13, 2013, at 9:32 AM, PeterG  wrote:
> 
>> I don't know a lot about all the different views of this subject, but
>> I do know my own results..I have MS and neuropathy in hands, feet. I
>> came across a book called "wheatbelly" back in December of 2012...The
>> author (a cardio doc) mentioned that thousands of his patients have
>> improved their lives cutting out wheat, grains and sugars. He
>> mentioned how lots of evidence is starting to look like many of the
>> auto immune diseases are somehow related to gluten and the new age
>> wheat we have formulated.(these aren't the wheats of our
>> grandfathers). Just to see what would happen, i started Dec 10 with
>> cutting out ALL grains, sugars and processed foods. results after 3
>> months: My left hand is actually working most of the time now...my
>> "brain fog" is gone...Migraines are history...pain is half of what it
>> was...cholesterol numbers have been cut by 67%...I am no longer on
>> high blood pressure medsand the list goes on and on and
>> onPersonally, I think the wheat that we created 30 years ago is
>> killing us slowly, but each of us has to decide what works and what
>> doesn't...I want to thank Grant for getting me started on this. I was
>> talking with him last year and it was he who first talked to me about
>> diet and how important it was for sustaining a healthy life (he even
>> had me watch a youtube video)...I encourage everyone to try for
>> yourself and see what happens...what have you got to lose? Sorry for
>> preaching...
>> 
>> On Mar 12, 10:30 pm, grant  wrote:
>>> Whatever works for (anybody) is the right thing. A good way to test is to
>>> have a complete blood and lipid test (testing for Type A and B LDL, or else
>>> it does't tell you anything), and include A1C in there, too. Do that now
>>> (for instance) to see how your diet is working, and then go super low carb
>>> (or minimally, quit grains and beer for three months) and test again.
>>> Anybody can stand on a scale and look in a mirror and get a *feel* for how
>>> things are going, but the blood tests tell things the scale and mirror
>>> don't.
>>> For those unfamiliar, this is about a super low-carb diet that eliminates
>>> all grains and most other high-carb foods. It is based on the notion that
>>> the species Homo has been around for 2.5 million years, but has had access
>>> to vast amounts of carbohydrates only for the last 12,000 years at best
>>> (middle east, asia), and some cultures---notably Native Americans and
>>> Africans and Af-Americans, and notably not middle-easterners and asians—
>>> have had less than two hundred years to adapt to high-carb diets. People
>>> with long histories of carbs have in their saliva more amylase, an enzyme
>>> that pre-digests starch before you swallow it. But the famous skinny Asians
>>> that people tend to use to discredit low-carb diets--are eastern asians who
>>> eat like birds and work like bees---a fistful of white rice, some veges and
>>> fish---and that when they eat typical western diets, they plump up like the
>>> rest of us.
>>> And---this is longer than I'd planned to speak here—the science behind the
>>> benefits of low-carb comes down to one word: Insulin. Insulin is a
>>> metabolic hormone that determines whether you store fat or burn it. I am
>>> not a scientist, but even the most conservative scientists acknowledge that
>>> in the absence of insulin we burn body fat and fuel our cells with ketones
>>> (a byproduct of fat breakdown); and in the presence of insulin we create
>>> fat and store fat and burn glucose for energy. So if you carb up for a long
>>> ride, you will burn the calories that you ate, but not your body fat.
>>> (Insulin spikes with carbohydr

[RBW] Re: Death Valley Video Now Online

[dougP]

Eric:

Thanks for another interesting video.  In a few weeks, I'm headed out there 
with a small group for a camping / biking / wandering around trip.  For 
this old codger, the Atlantis will be the perfect bike.  

dougP

On Monday, March 11, 2013 7:29:05 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> My video of the Death Valley Double Century is now online:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv6nzy-3U34
>
> Enjoy!
>
> (Riv content: Rode lugged steel, shifted with friction, sat on leather, 
> carried Nigel Smythe and Baggins bags.)
>
> --Eric
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> www.wheelsnorth.org
> Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
> Twitter: @campyonlyguy
>  
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[RBW] Re: pedal across wisconsin?

[dougP]

Not familiar with the ride in question but have used the Wisconsin Bike 
Federation maps.  They are absolutely the best.  Roads are rated from "most 
desireable" to "avoid" as far as cycling.  Lots of rail trails.  Very high 
level of information.  We rode from Kewaskum to St Paul, MN, a couple of 
years back, using the bike fed maps.  Highly recommend for a DIY trip or as 
an adjunct to any organized tour info.

dougP

On Sunday, March 10, 2013 3:02:14 PM UTC-7, Seth Vidal wrote:
>
> Hi,
>  Does anyone on the list have any experience with:
>
> http://pedalacrosswisconsin.com/
>
> I'm a little curious about them - though I must admit - doing 50-60 
> miles/day for 6 days feels like it could leave me a bit tired - I'm curious 
> just how flat this really is and other experiences.
>
> Thanks,
> -sv
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS Honjo Fenders 26"

[Brian Hanson]

Still available?  How wide?

On Tuesday, March 12, 2013, John Kim wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have for sale a new, never installed pair of Honjo Fenders hammered
> finish with all hardware still in plastic H47-26CN, Alumi Honjo-Koken. I
> never got around to installing it on my 26" Riv. I believe 26" Honjos are
> no longer made. $75 plus shipping .  PM me for detailed photos. Later this
> spring, I plan to sell my 1999 RBW custom A/R 58 or 59 cm (Match frame
> serial no).
>
> Thank you.
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[RBW] Re: Eastern Oregon Teaser

[dougP]

Great photos, Smitty & Tommy.  Most people think of trees when they think 
of Oregon, but it seems like the eastern 2/3 looks like your pix.  Wheat & 
sheep country.  That shirt must be a Pendleton to last 3 generations.  

dougP

On Sunday, March 10, 2013 12:40:36 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>
> *Tommy and I were lured to lands east of the Cascades by The Dalles 
> Mountain 60 (it's not a race, not an event, just a bike ride, 60 miles of 
> mixed surface riding over hilly terrain). When we got to the start it was 
> more of a thing then what we were expecting, so we decided to head off on 
> our own and improvise a route. 
>
> Most of the day was spent semi-lost on rural roads of northern Wasco 
> County, Oregon. It was a nice mix of dirt, gravel, and asphalt. There was 
> enough climbing for some fun descents and spectacular views. *
>
> Pics show why we're already talking about going back…
> Smitty's 
> Pics
>
> Tommy's Pics
>
> Here's a map of our route , if 
> you're into that sort of thing. 
>
> --Smitty
>
>

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[RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[Deacon Patrick]

At the other end of the spectrum there's always going food free...
http://m.vice.com/read/rob-rhinehart-no-longer-requires-food?utm_source=vicefbus

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:55:21 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Thought this might be of interest to some on this list. I'm not an 
> expert--or even an amateur--on the "paleo living" topic, but this article 
> makes some interesting points. 
>
> http://www.salon.com/2013/03/10/paleofantasy_stone_age_delusions/ 
>
> --Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

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[RBW] Water Gap Adventure Loop - April 13-14

[Montclair BobbyB]

Only 4 weeks 'til Water Gap Adventure Ride, April 13-14 (posted on RBW 
Rides Calendar).  Details and links below.  

On Friday, February 8, 2013 11:17:27 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Attention Adventure Riders:
>
> I am planning a 2-day "adventure" ride from the Delaware Water Gap (on the 
> NJ/PA border) up to Milford, PA, then back to the Gap the following day. 
>  The element of "adventure" is due to the varied terrain we will encounter, 
> along with any last-minute or on-the-fly route changes (that could be 
> required due to several uncontrollable factors)... The only requirement: be 
> flexible, be adventurous, have fun...
>
> Note: This ride is NOT RIV RALLY EAST; this is IN ADDITION TO Riv Rally 
> East (which is tentatively scheduled for early May in Virginia, stay tuned.)
>
> Here are details about the Gap Adventure Loop:
>
> *Route Summary (total approx 90 miles over 2 days), this will require an 
> overnight stay in a B&B/Motel/Cottage in Milford PA; in other words, this 
> is a light tour; you will need to carry enough gear for the 2-day ride:*
>
> The Delaware Water Gap was formed billions of years ago (OK, maybe only 
> millions) by ancient glaciers.  Today it is an impressive natural landmark 
> (yes, Jersey has them) where the Delaware River cuts through the Kittatinny 
> Mountain range in Western NJ, just East of Stroudsburg, PA.  Our Day1 route 
> takes us up the Delware River along Old Mine Road, perhaps the oldest road 
> in the US (once used by Dutch settlers as a mining route, hence the name). 
> The rolling terrain consists of a mixture of paved and dirt roads, passing 
> through National Recreation and State Forest areas... It's suprisingly 
> remote for NJ.  We will spend the night in quaint, historic Milford, PA, 
> just North of Dingman's Ferry over on the PA side.  There are several 
> lodging options in Milford, and plenty of places to eat (See below links).
>
> The Day 2 route is a bit more varied.  After crossing back into NJ we 
> start off with a fairly strenous hill climb up into Stokes State Forest, 
> where we will traverse the heart of this rugged, beautiful forested 
> preserve on paved, jeep and single track trail.  There may be a few 
> dismount/portage spots (i.e. stream crossings, rock gardens, rooty 
> sections), but these are relatively minor.  The route emerges from Stokes 
> Forest, continuing over back roads down to the Paulinskil Trail, which is a 
> dirt and gravel rail-trail (popular with the equestrian community) that 
> runs North-South down the Paulinskil Valley on the East side of the 
> Kittatinny Ridge (note: we ride North on the West side of the Ridge on Day 
> 1).  The Paulinskil Trail ends just 1/2 mile up the road from our starting 
> point, near the Water Gap. 
>
> The terrain on Day 1 is rolling, with no major climbs.
> The terrain on Day 2 includes a pretty challenging climb early on, and a 
> few moderate uphills in the heart of Stokes, followed by a decent downhill 
> and a few rollers to get to the Paulinskil, which is a flat, but mixed 
> dirt/gravel surface that requires some pretty serious pedaling.
>
> *Lodging Sat Night (in Milford, PA):*  You will be responsible for 
> arranging your own lodging.  Last time I slept at the Myers Country Motel 
> (which is actually a collection of basic, but very clean and comfortable 
> cottages), but there are also plently of B&Bs in town (link to lodging: 
> http://www.milfordpa.us/lodging.html)  Note:  not all lodging is right in 
> town; I strongly recommend checking that your choice is within the downtown 
> area.  ALSO, the link for Myer's Country Motel on that site isn't working; 
> here is the direct link. (I plan to stay here as I did last time; best deal 
> in town):  http://www.myermotel.com/Welcome.html
>
> *Lodging near the Water Gap (for out of state travelers, Friday night):* 
> Depending which direction you're coming from and if you want to stay near 
> the start, there should be plenty of places within a 30 minute drive of the 
> Gap.  I would suggest using Google Maps to find lodging that suits your 
> travel schedule.  The Water Gap is approx a 2 hour drive from Philly, and 
> approx a 90 minute drive from NYC, in case you prefer to drive to the start 
> early Sat morning.
>
> *Other logistics:*  I will arrange for a safe place to park our cars 
> overnight near the start of the ride, in Knowlton, NJ, just East of the 
> Gap.  (Last time the local police/municipal staff allowed us to park in the 
> municipal building's parking lot; I will request permission to park here.
>
> Kindly let me know if you plan to join us for this ride.  It will be an 
> adventure, for sure.  Also feel free to contact me directly if you need 
> more information.
>
> Peace,
>
> Bobby Birmingham
> montclairbob...@gmail.com
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[grant]

> Very early ancestors survived on tropical plants, new study suggests 
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121214200916.htm 
>
> Perry "I ain't buyi the paleo fantasy bro science" Bessas


It's all fine, but that study talks about apes (3 to 3.5 million years 
ago). Homo habilus, the first Homo, evolved around 2.5 MYA/

Apes vs Homo

Gut length: Apes have about 3x the yardage, the better to digest raw 
plantfood with. They have upside-down cone-shaped rib cages and long 
torsoes, to better hold the long yards of guts.

Jaw muscles: Apes have strong ones that attache atop the skull. The raw 
food requires massive muscles. The act of chewing compresses the skull, no 
big deal because the brain is small. Human jawmucles attach around the 
temple and are thin...and the thin-ness and lower attachment point came 
about (so some believe) as a result of eating progressively more chewable 
and digestible food.

Short story, as short as I can make it, and even this is too long 
considering I agree with the "change this topic" advice...but I will take 
this liberty because I was named in an original post. Skip over if you 
don't care to listen to a guy with a 2-year junior college degree talk, 
shall we say, above his ken.

It took about 500,000 years, from 3 million years ago to 2.5 MYA, to evolve 
the first human (Homo habilus), and it likely resulted from eating meat, 
since Hh was out of the jungle and living in grasslands, eating leftover 
carrion at first. Raw meat is like gum, unless it's kobe beef or sashimi, 
so he pounded and sliced it and tenderized it this way.

 This let him eat more of it AND made it more digestible. Over time, the 
dietary change shrunk the gut, weakend the jaw muscles, and let the skull 
and brain expand. The bigger brain led to other things, but among them, 
cooking meat. Cooked meat is a cinch to digest and eat more of, and soon 
(in evolutionary terms), we got Homo ergaster. 

Homo ergaster learned to cook and hunt--upping his meat consumption even 
more---and morphed into Homo heidelbergensis (this is all from memory, I'm 
not googling this as I go, so I may be off some).

 Homo heidelwith his bigger brain, learned ways of gathering even more 
meat--hunting with others, and of course this was helped by still more 
shrunken jaw muscles, bigger skull, and brain expension to go with the 
bigger skull. He also learned to bake and in general was largely a meat 
eater. Now and then a root or something else, but the point is, all of 
these evolutionary changes that cause Homo sapiens to evolve just 200,000 
years ago are -- *related* to meat consumption, in some form or other. 

There were other things, but t is hard to make the case that the physical 
changes in guts and skulls, jaw muscles and brains---would have happened 
without meat. In any animal, the head geometry (including teeth) say 
something about the diet. The metabolic costs of pushing and digesting 
roughage through miles of guts to ultimate extract a few calories from them 
precludes growing a bigger brain, which, cubic centimeter by cubic 
centimeter, is the most metabolically expensive organ in the body. 
Something had to give, and it was the gut.

This story is separate from any ethical issues that involve vegetariansim 
or greenhouse gases. Those are important, but purely in terms of what 
transpired along the evolutionary path from apes to Homo sapiens...meat had 
something to do with it. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[Eric Norris]

CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corp) recently hosted a very interesting discussion 
with the author of "Wheat Belly". Podcast is available for download here:

http://www.cbc.ca/q/blog/2013/02/07/are-wheat-free-diets-a-fad/

Also on the show was Timothy Caulfield, Canada Research Chair in Health Law and 
Policy at the University of Alberta.

With all due respect to PeterG, Mr. Caulfield points out many times in the 
interview the danger of relying on anecdotal information and individual 
experiences. PeterG's recovery is remarkable, but it's not necessary proof that 
the "Wheat Belly" diet works. Mr. Davis, author of Wheat Belly, provides a 
number of individual accounts like PeterG's during the interview; Mr. Caulfield 
just as often points out that there are no clinical studies to prove what Mr. 
Davis says.

Listen to the podcast. It's excellent.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

On Mar 13, 2013, at 9:32 AM, PeterG  wrote:

> I don't know a lot about all the different views of this subject, but
> I do know my own results..I have MS and neuropathy in hands, feet. I
> came across a book called "wheatbelly" back in December of 2012...The
> author (a cardio doc) mentioned that thousands of his patients have
> improved their lives cutting out wheat, grains and sugars. He
> mentioned how lots of evidence is starting to look like many of the
> auto immune diseases are somehow related to gluten and the new age
> wheat we have formulated.(these aren't the wheats of our
> grandfathers). Just to see what would happen, i started Dec 10 with
> cutting out ALL grains, sugars and processed foods. results after 3
> months: My left hand is actually working most of the time now...my
> "brain fog" is gone...Migraines are history...pain is half of what it
> was...cholesterol numbers have been cut by 67%...I am no longer on
> high blood pressure medsand the list goes on and on and
> onPersonally, I think the wheat that we created 30 years ago is
> killing us slowly, but each of us has to decide what works and what
> doesn't...I want to thank Grant for getting me started on this. I was
> talking with him last year and it was he who first talked to me about
> diet and how important it was for sustaining a healthy life (he even
> had me watch a youtube video)...I encourage everyone to try for
> yourself and see what happens...what have you got to lose? Sorry for
> preaching...
> 
> On Mar 12, 10:30 pm, grant  wrote:
>> Whatever works for (anybody) is the right thing. A good way to test is to
>> have a complete blood and lipid test (testing for Type A and B LDL, or else
>> it does't tell you anything), and include A1C in there, too. Do that now
>> (for instance) to see how your diet is working, and then go super low carb
>> (or minimally, quit grains and beer for three months) and test again.
>> Anybody can stand on a scale and look in a mirror and get a *feel* for how
>> things are going, but the blood tests tell things the scale and mirror
>> don't.
>> For those unfamiliar, this is about a super low-carb diet that eliminates
>> all grains and most other high-carb foods. It is based on the notion that
>> the species Homo has been around for 2.5 million years, but has had access
>> to vast amounts of carbohydrates only for the last 12,000 years at best
>> (middle east, asia), and some cultures---notably Native Americans and
>> Africans and Af-Americans, and notably not middle-easterners and asians—
>> have had less than two hundred years to adapt to high-carb diets. People
>> with long histories of carbs have in their saliva more amylase, an enzyme
>> that pre-digests starch before you swallow it. But the famous skinny Asians
>> that people tend to use to discredit low-carb diets--are eastern asians who
>> eat like birds and work like bees---a fistful of white rice, some veges and
>> fish---and that when they eat typical western diets, they plump up like the
>> rest of us.
>> And---this is longer than I'd planned to speak here—the science behind the
>> benefits of low-carb comes down to one word: Insulin. Insulin is a
>> metabolic hormone that determines whether you store fat or burn it. I am
>> not a scientist, but even the most conservative scientists acknowledge that
>> in the absence of insulin we burn body fat and fuel our cells with ketones
>> (a byproduct of fat breakdown); and in the presence of insulin we create
>> fat and store fat and burn glucose for energy. So if you carb up for a long
>> ride, you will burn the calories that you ate, but not your body fat.
>> (Insulin spikes with carbohydrate intake.)
>> Is there an endocrinologist in the house who cares to weigh in here?
>> 
>> There is mounting evidence (spoiler alert: I will soon ask if there's an
>> oncologist or a cellular biologist in the house) that cancer cells thrie in
>> the presense of glucose (comes from carbs) but they cannot live on ketones
>> (fuel used when carbs are restricted). So cance

[RBW] Re: Hi from Kai, Hillborne roller and web enthusiast

[Liesl]

Have you asked your weird question yet?  Or did I miss it?

Hard to have a 'weird' question on this list-serv ;)
RCW

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[RBW] Re: Thanks Keven & Rivendell

[Liesl]

This is such classic, typical, outstanding behavior for Riv peeps and puts 
into tangible action their generosity and business ethic.  This doesn't 
happen by accident and it doesn't happen without effort.

Welcome to Riv HQ!

RCW, MD

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[RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[PeterG]

I don't know a lot about all the different views of this subject, but
I do know my own results..I have MS and neuropathy in hands, feet. I
came across a book called "wheatbelly" back in December of 2012...The
author (a cardio doc) mentioned that thousands of his patients have
improved their lives cutting out wheat, grains and sugars. He
mentioned how lots of evidence is starting to look like many of the
auto immune diseases are somehow related to gluten and the new age
wheat we have formulated.(these aren't the wheats of our
grandfathers). Just to see what would happen, i started Dec 10 with
cutting out ALL grains, sugars and processed foods. results after 3
months: My left hand is actually working most of the time now...my
"brain fog" is gone...Migraines are history...pain is half of what it
was...cholesterol numbers have been cut by 67%...I am no longer on
high blood pressure medsand the list goes on and on and
onPersonally, I think the wheat that we created 30 years ago is
killing us slowly, but each of us has to decide what works and what
doesn't...I want to thank Grant for getting me started on this. I was
talking with him last year and it was he who first talked to me about
diet and how important it was for sustaining a healthy life (he even
had me watch a youtube video)...I encourage everyone to try for
yourself and see what happens...what have you got to lose? Sorry for
preaching...

On Mar 12, 10:30 pm, grant  wrote:
> Whatever works for (anybody) is the right thing. A good way to test is to
> have a complete blood and lipid test (testing for Type A and B LDL, or else
> it does't tell you anything), and include A1C in there, too. Do that now
> (for instance) to see how your diet is working, and then go super low carb
> (or minimally, quit grains and beer for three months) and test again.
> Anybody can stand on a scale and look in a mirror and get a *feel* for how
> things are going, but the blood tests tell things the scale and mirror
> don't.
> For those unfamiliar, this is about a super low-carb diet that eliminates
> all grains and most other high-carb foods. It is based on the notion that
> the species Homo has been around for 2.5 million years, but has had access
> to vast amounts of carbohydrates only for the last 12,000 years at best
> (middle east, asia), and some cultures---notably Native Americans and
> Africans and Af-Americans, and notably not middle-easterners and asians—
> have had less than two hundred years to adapt to high-carb diets. People
> with long histories of carbs have in their saliva more amylase, an enzyme
> that pre-digests starch before you swallow it. But the famous skinny Asians
> that people tend to use to discredit low-carb diets--are eastern asians who
> eat like birds and work like bees---a fistful of white rice, some veges and
> fish---and that when they eat typical western diets, they plump up like the
> rest of us.
> And---this is longer than I'd planned to speak here—the science behind the
> benefits of low-carb comes down to one word: Insulin. Insulin is a
> metabolic hormone that determines whether you store fat or burn it. I am
> not a scientist, but even the most conservative scientists acknowledge that
> in the absence of insulin we burn body fat and fuel our cells with ketones
> (a byproduct of fat breakdown); and in the presence of insulin we create
> fat and store fat and burn glucose for energy. So if you carb up for a long
> ride, you will burn the calories that you ate, but not your body fat.
> (Insulin spikes with carbohydrate intake.)
> Is there an endocrinologist in the house who cares to weigh in here?
>
> There is mounting evidence (spoiler alert: I will soon ask if there's an
> oncologist or a cellular biologist in the house) that cancer cells thrie in
> the presense of glucose (comes from carbs) but they cannot live on ketones
> (fuel used when carbs are restricted). So cancer cells have been known to
> shrink on ketogenic diets. Oncologist? Cellular biologist?
>
> Of course if your body fat is where you want it and your blood scores
> reveal a picture of inner health, then it would be nutty to change. BUT if
> you're not where you wanna be and your blood scores suck, then low-carb is
> worth...not dismissing just because it is counterintuitive.
>
> good site:
>
> theeatingacademy.com
>
> and
>
> nusi.org
>
> They are two good sites that anybody with an open mind and uncrossed arms
> may find interesting. Over and out on this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:55:21 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> > Thought this might be of interest to some on this list. I'm not an
> > expert--or even an amateur--on the "paleo living" topic, but this article
> > makes some interesting points.
>
> >http://www.salon.com/2013/03/10/paleofantasy_stone_age_delusions/
>
> > --Eric N
> >www.CampyOnly.com
> > CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
> > Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

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Re: [RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[bobish]

On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:08:06 AM UTC-4, numbnuts wrote:
> Hey All,
> If I remember correctly from my under grad days, when I studied, among other 
> stuff, physical anthropology, there is more than a little evidence in the 
> human family tree that our predecessors were eating stuff that needed to be 
> crushed rather than sliced, so grasses, grains, etc. At least that's what we 
> were taught.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Chris
> Redding, Ca.

Correct.

Very early ancestors survived on tropical plants, new study suggests
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121214200916.htm

Perry "I ain't buyi the paleo fantasy bro science" Bessas

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[RBW] Re: Hi from Kai, Hillborne roller and web enthusiast

[Kai Vierstra]

I've never measured!, but I'll check and get back to you.  I think I'm less 
leggy, more belly/neck
-Kai

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Re: [RBW] FS - 52cm Sam Hillborne and Nitto rack - $800

[David Hays]

Lee,
What fenders are those you're running? Are they over Hetres?
Thanks
David
On Mar 12, 2013, at 6:09 PM, yoshi wrote:

> I bought this Hillborne from Rich Lesnik (Hands on Wheels) a few years ago 
> and have enjoyed riding it immensely but it's time to make space for other 
> projects.
> 
> It's a 52cm Waterford-built Sam Hillborne (original sparkling green color) 
> designed for cantilever brakes.
> Aside from a few paint knicks, some scrapes from chain suck on the chainstay, 
> and a small paint touch-up done by Rich on the seat tube, the bicycle and 
> paint are in excellent condition.
> I'm also including a Rivendell Nitto mini-front rack in excellent condition, 
> Tange bottom bracket, Tange headset, Kalloy seatpost, and a small bottle of 
> touch-up paint.
> 
> I'd like to get $800 plus shipping.
> I'm in Sacramento so delivery could be arranged for Bay Area folks.
> 
> Here's a flickr set of the bike:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/36781373@N03/sets/72157632918192558/
> 
> I also have a used set of white Grand Bois Hetres and a single black Hetre 
> that could be added to the mix.
> 
> Thanks for your consideration.
> 
> Lee in Sacramento.
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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Supreme sidewall blowout, repairable?

[Kai Vierstra]

Thanks everybody, that's a great video, those smoking tires coming out of the 
vulcanizer must smell great!  I wouldn't wear any lung protection either if I 
were pulling them...  kidding, I would, but maybe not for my closeup.
I think I'll try the warranty route, can't hurt.  I have a usable supreme I can 
put on there, probably could get another few million miles out of it while I 
wait and hope.  If they send it back I'll give the contact cement/barge/goop a 
try with some sort of interior scab. 
As for the possibility of a defect vs knife attack vs rolling over bad stuff, 
I've been tracing my steps and have come to the conclusion that it's most 
likely the rolling over bad stuff scenario (there goes my chance at warranty,  
right schwalbe folks?)  I was doing some mud bogging out by the Bronx River 
last week and there was a lot of broken everything including glass stuck in 
that mud with me.  The right piece of glass at the wrong time would explain the 
nasty abrasion and eventual blowout I experienced.  
I hope those 40's show up on the riv site soon!

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Re: [RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[PATRICK MOORE]

This is getting very weird.



On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
> All Food is of the Mind and Spirit so what is there to debate ?
>
> Nuthin' !
>
> Enjoy your life  no matter who what where and when .
>
> Forgive yourself and forgive everyone.  Not for arbitrary "morality" 
> but because "they" are but a mirror of yourself.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

[Cyclofiend]

On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Garth wrote:


 That may be part of it, as well as "monkey see problem in another,  
monkey start to have problem".  The springs in modern derailers are  
weak compared to those from even the 7,8 speed ones.  I have a  
Shimano LX rear 9sp. that flops the chain all over the place with  
bumps, but an XT 8 speed and older Shimano from the 80's do not.



Yep.  Those of us who suffered through the "bassworms" and other  
return spring tension solutions in trying to use SRAM mtb shifters  
with Shimano rear derailleurs know that the later seriously lightened  
the spring tension throughout their designs in the 90's. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[Deacon Patrick]

I eat mostly greens, by volume. By calories, fat.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:13:19 PM UTC-6, Mike wrote:
>
> "Eat food, not too much, mostly greens."--Michael Pollan
>
> I love that. Seems like a good plan. Sadly, I have not been able to follow 
> it. I will say that while my diet isn't ideal it's better than it was even 
> 5 years ago and without a doubt it's better than what it was in my 20s.
>
> --mike
>>
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[RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[Garth]

All Food is of the Mind and Spirit so what is there to debate ? 

Nuthin' !

Enjoy your life  no matter who what where and when .

Forgive yourself and forgive everyone.  Not for arbitrary "morality"  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hi from Kai, Hillborne roller and web enthusiast

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Kai, man thats a huge bike, looks nice and rugged.  Where in Brooklyn are
you? I am in non-gentrified Bay Ridge but your pics make it look like you
are in the Burg or parts around there where bikes are not so hated like
they are here. Its really just me and the delivery guys out here, oh and
the people cursing at you for being on "their roads" haha.

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Lyle Bogart  wrote:

> Welcome, Kai! Nice bike--I really like that shade of green!
>
> Cheers!
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> lyle
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>> Hi, Kai
>>
>> I like the stickers and the overall burliness of your Hillborne. Looks
>> like you actually use the thing!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hi from Kai, Hillborne roller and web enthusiast

[Lyle Bogart]

Welcome, Kai! Nice bike--I really like that shade of green!

Cheers!

lyle

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Re: [RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[Peter Morgano]

Love it, I was in 4H growing up, I had a pet goat, its was great times. I
grew up in a rural town in upstate NY so rode my bike everywhere, off brand
Trek made frame that I was amazed had 15 whole speeds, haha.

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Lyle Bogart  wrote:

> "Doesnt anyone have a spring first ride report?"
> My ten year old daughter does! Well, that is, if starting to commute by
> bike from home to school to the barn (for 4H) to the library and back home
> counts :-)
>
> Cheers!
>
> lyle
>
>
> On 13 March 2013 15:58, Peter Morgano  wrote:
>
>> I think we should abandon this thread, it was only vaguely related to
>> bikes and now has way gone off on a tangent.  Doesnt anyone have a spring
>> first ride report? I plan to have one soon, thankfully.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> Wrong here too. In third world countries, herders are seeing the highest
>>> yields they've known returning to dense herds on grass. It helps reclaim
>>> land "lost" to desert bey promoting more growth. It turns unproductive land
>>> into productive land and feeds a lot more people. Check this TED Talk out:
>>>
>>> http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change.html
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:31:10 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:

 Grains are grass.
 In addition - and my primary problem with the whole paleo fad is with
 the increase in human population world wide, the amount of land available
 to 'grass' feed herbivores is shrinking both through human development and
 climate change.  In the United States alone, currently the amount of range
 animals is the lowest it has been since the 1950s.  At the same time,
 global fisheries are stressed to the point total collapse is a matter of
 if, not when.

 Even if you do not think converting the Amazon rain forest to pasture
 will have a delitorious impact on the global environment, the fact remains
 the added range land will not be sufficient to allow humanity to adopt a
 meat heavy diet.

 Unless the paleo advocates can come up with either a new source of
 ranges and some radical clean up of our waterways along with a magic way to
 get fish to reproduce more, the world will be far better off considering
 diets that use legumes as the primary protien source as the acerage
 requirement is significantly lower.

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Re: [RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[Mike]

"Eat food, not too much, mostly greens."--Michael Pollan

I love that. Seems like a good plan. Sadly, I have not been able to follow 
it. I will say that while my diet isn't ideal it's better than it was even 
5 years ago and without a doubt it's better than what it was in my 20s.

--mike
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[RBW] Re: Hi from Kai, Hillborne roller and web enthusiast

[Bryan]

Hi, Kai

I like the stickers and the overall burliness of your Hillborne. Looks like 
you actually use the thing!

Bryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[Lyle Bogart]

"Doesnt anyone have a spring first ride report?"
My ten year old daughter does! Well, that is, if starting to commute by
bike from home to school to the barn (for 4H) to the library and back home
counts :-)

Cheers!

lyle

On 13 March 2013 15:58, Peter Morgano  wrote:

> I think we should abandon this thread, it was only vaguely related to
> bikes and now has way gone off on a tangent.  Doesnt anyone have a spring
> first ride report? I plan to have one soon, thankfully.
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> Wrong here too. In third world countries, herders are seeing the highest
>> yields they've known returning to dense herds on grass. It helps reclaim
>> land "lost" to desert bey promoting more growth. It turns unproductive land
>> into productive land and feeds a lot more people. Check this TED Talk out:
>>
>> http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change.html
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:31:10 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:
>>>
>>> Grains are grass.
>>> In addition - and my primary problem with the whole paleo fad is with
>>> the increase in human population world wide, the amount of land available
>>> to 'grass' feed herbivores is shrinking both through human development and
>>> climate change.  In the United States alone, currently the amount of range
>>> animals is the lowest it has been since the 1950s.  At the same time,
>>> global fisheries are stressed to the point total collapse is a matter of
>>> if, not when.
>>>
>>> Even if you do not think converting the Amazon rain forest to pasture
>>> will have a delitorious impact on the global environment, the fact remains
>>> the added range land will not be sufficient to allow humanity to adopt a
>>> meat heavy diet.
>>>
>>> Unless the paleo advocates can come up with either a new source of
>>> ranges and some radical clean up of our waterways along with a magic way to
>>> get fish to reproduce more, the world will be far better off considering
>>> diets that use legumes as the primary protien source as the acerage
>>> requirement is significantly lower.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[Peter Morgano]

I think we should abandon this thread, it was only vaguely related to bikes
and now has way gone off on a tangent.  Doesnt anyone have a spring first
ride report? I plan to have one soon, thankfully.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Wrong here too. In third world countries, herders are seeing the highest
> yields they've known returning to dense herds on grass. It helps reclaim
> land "lost" to desert bey promoting more growth. It turns unproductive land
> into productive land and feeds a lot more people. Check this TED Talk out:
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change.html
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:31:10 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> Grains are grass.
>> In addition - and my primary problem with the whole paleo fad is with the
>> increase in human population world wide, the amount of land available to
>> 'grass' feed herbivores is shrinking both through human development and
>> climate change.  In the United States alone, currently the amount of range
>> animals is the lowest it has been since the 1950s.  At the same time,
>> global fisheries are stressed to the point total collapse is a matter of
>> if, not when.
>>
>> Even if you do not think converting the Amazon rain forest to pasture
>> will have a delitorious impact on the global environment, the fact remains
>> the added range land will not be sufficient to allow humanity to adopt a
>> meat heavy diet.
>>
>> Unless the paleo advocates can come up with either a new source of ranges
>> and some radical clean up of our waterways along with a magic way to get
>> fish to reproduce more, the world will be far better off considering diets
>> that use legumes as the primary protien source as the acerage requirement
>> is significantly lower.
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[RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[Deacon Patrick]

Wrong here too. In third world countries, herders are seeing the highest 
yields they've known returning to dense herds on grass. It helps reclaim 
land "lost" to desert bey promoting more growth. It turns unproductive land 
into productive land and feeds a lot more people. Check this TED Talk out:
http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change.html

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:31:10 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Grains are grass.  
> In addition - and my primary problem with the whole paleo fad is with the 
> increase in human population world wide, the amount of land available to 
> 'grass' feed herbivores is shrinking both through human development and 
> climate change.  In the United States alone, currently the amount of range 
> animals is the lowest it has been since the 1950s.  At the same time, 
> global fisheries are stressed to the point total collapse is a matter of 
> if, not when.
>  
> Even if you do not think converting the Amazon rain forest to pasture will 
> have a delitorious impact on the global environment, the fact remains the 
> added range land will not be sufficient to allow humanity to adopt a meat 
> heavy diet.
>  
> Unless the paleo advocates can come up with either a new source of ranges 
> and some radical clean up of our waterways along with a magic way to get 
> fish to reproduce more, the world will be far better off considering diets 
> that use legumes as the primary protien source as the acerage requirement 
> is significantly lower.
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Re: [RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[Deacon Patrick]

"the only energy source your brain uses is glucose."

Uh, wrong. Ketones work wonderfully. Better for most of the brain, 
actually. A specific part of the brain requires glucose, which either can 
come from the liver making it (when ketogenic) or from starch ingested. A 
ketogenic diet is commonly used to treat epilepsy drug free.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> By the way, the only energy source your brain uses is glucose.   
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Re: [RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

[William]

Chainsuck definitely is a huge bummer.  It would be an even more huge a 
bummer to have it happen on a brand new bike.  Like Garth, I'm grateful to 
have never had a bad instance of it.  As a shop mechanic, I've seen it 
plenty.  If somebody challenged me to force it to happen on a brand new 
bike, I wouldn't bet a lot of money that I could force it to happen.  If I 
had to make a chainsuck happen to save my life, and I only had one shot at 
it, I would shift from big ring to middle ring in front, one of the smaller 
cogs in back, under heavy load.

On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:22:03 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2013 4:41:22 PM UTC-4, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Jim, RE: conjecture. Does chain suck happen more often with 
>> certain types of derailers? I would guess that ones with weaker 
>> chain-tensioner springs would chain suck more often. (Perhaps something 
>> w/long cage vs short cage given the chain angle.) Seems like the chain-suck 
>> descriptions I'm familiar with (=not many) don't mention the rear derailer 
>> used. 
>>
>> Then again, this is probably starting to over think the situation, and I 
>> need to go out and ride more. :)
>>
>>
>>  That may be part of it, as well as "monkey see problem in another, 
> monkey start to have problem".  The springs in modern derailers are weak 
> compared to those from even the 7,8 speed ones.  I have a Shimano LX rear 
> 9sp. that flops the chain all over the place with bumps, but an XT 8 speed 
> and older Shimano from the 80's do not. 
>
> That said, I still have not experienced , ever ... lol.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

[Garth]

On Monday, March 11, 2013 4:41:22 PM UTC-4, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jim, RE: conjecture. Does chain suck happen more often with 
> certain types of derailers? I would guess that ones with weaker 
> chain-tensioner springs would chain suck more often. (Perhaps something 
> w/long cage vs short cage given the chain angle.) Seems like the chain-suck 
> descriptions I'm familiar with (=not many) don't mention the rear derailer 
> used. 
>
> Then again, this is probably starting to over think the situation, and I 
> need to go out and ride more. :)
>
>
>  That may be part of it, as well as "monkey see problem in another, monkey 
start to have problem".  The springs in modern derailers are weak compared 
to those from even the 7,8 speed ones.  I have a Shimano LX rear 9sp. that 
flops the chain all over the place with bumps, but an XT 8 speed and older 
Shimano from the 80's do not. 

That said, I still have not experienced , ever ... lol.  

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[RBW] Re: Eastern OR/Columbia Gorge Riv Ride?

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

I got a couple replies off list, so I went ahead and created an event on 
the ride calendar. Portland is close enough for this to be a day ride, but 
if folks are driving down from Seattle, an overnighter seems appropriate to 
justify the 4 hour drive time. 

--Smitty
 

On Monday, March 11, 2013 1:44:28 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>
> From the comments in my other post about riding in the area just east of 
> the Columbia River Gorge, it sounds like there might be some interest in 
> doing a Riv ride out that way. An "if you organize it, they will come" sort 
> of thing. I was eyeing April 6th (Saturday) to organize some sort of PDX 
> area Riv-ride. Perhaps if there's interest, the ride could be moved east 
> (The Dalles Mtn 60 route, Dufur to Maupin, or something else). I wouldn't 
> be opposed to making it an overnighter (Sat-Sun) if there's interest in 
> that. 
>
> Would you be interested?
>
> Thoughts?  
>
> --Smitty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Be careful with this method. I've done that and ended up with a
severely bent chainring and permanently deformed (twisted) chain, not
to mention new gouges on the chainstay. I finally installed a
preventer device.

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Jude  wrote:
>
> On Mar 11, 2:31 pm, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
> I could install an anti-suck device but the damage has been
> done (over and over).  I just stomp the chain out (cringe) and keep
> riding.  Once, it was so bad I had to pull the crank (that was ugly,
> extra hard stomps didn't work) luckily I was close to home.


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[RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[Matthew J]

Grains are grass.  
In addition - and my primary problem with the whole paleo fad is with the 
increase in human population world wide, the amount of land available to 
'grass' feed herbivores is shrinking both through human development and 
climate change.  In the United States alone, currently the amount of range 
animals is the lowest it has been since the 1950s.  At the same time, 
global fisheries are stressed to the point total collapse is a matter of 
if, not when.
 
Even if you do not think converting the Amazon rain forest to pasture will 
have a delitorious impact on the global environment, the fact remains the 
added range land will not be sufficient to allow humanity to adopt a meat 
heavy diet.
 
Unless the paleo advocates can come up with either a new source of ranges 
and some radical clean up of our waterways along with a magic way to get 
fish to reproduce more, the world will be far better off considering diets 
that use legumes as the primary protien source as the acerage requirement 
is significantly lower.

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Re: [RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[Tim McNamara]

By the way, the only energy source your brain uses is glucose.  

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[RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

[Jude]

On Mar 11, 2:31 pm, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
> Hmmm... downhill with low-load and brand new components is definitely
> weird.  I'd suspect a stiff chain link before blaming an inherent design
> flaw.

Count me as another user who experienced this.  Maiden voyage of my
Atlantis.  Very easy riding, just checking out the gears, flat ground,
zero load, normal shift into the granny ... CRUNCH!!!

Everything was new and built up by Rivendell.  One additional data
point.  It was darn cold that day (which I've heard can be a
contributing factor).

Chain suck has happened to me maybe a dozen times in the five years
since.  I could install an anti-suck device but the damage has been
done (over and over).  I just stomp the chain out (cringe) and keep
riding.  Once, it was so bad I had to pull the crank (that was ugly,
extra hard stomps didn't work) luckily I was close to home.

I can usually avoid the problem with an extra careful shift.  But when
I'm tired and forget to be gentle ... CRUNCH!!  I think it's probably
a combination of Triple / small granny / shaped chainstays.

-Jude

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Re: [RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[numbnuts]

Hey All,
If I remember correctly from my under grad days, when I studied, among 
other stuff, physical anthropology, there is more than a little evidence in 
the human family tree that our predecessors were eating stuff that needed 
to be crushed rather than sliced, so grasses, grains, etc. At least that's 
what we were taught.

Regards,
Chris
Redding, Ca.

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Re: [RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Feathers are meant to be ruffled. Controversy is good for the soul.

The other Patrick in ABQ, NM happily stuffing himself with Beer and
Bacon (at least, no bacon until Orthodox lent is over -- deep fried
cheese sticks; but I'm not giving up beer).

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> My apologies for inadvertently ruffling feathers.
>

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[RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[Deacon Patrick]

Sorry, folks. i did not realize the history or firestorm my comment would 
proved. If what you eat works, go that route till it doesn't. I haven't 
read the book and likely won't. But from the reviews I've read she does not 
address the core reasons I choose to eat this way, which are very 
scientifically backed. Her argument appears to be a straw man argument. 
Hence the reason I said "poor logic and reason." The insulen/glucose cycle 
is heavily documented and getting out of that cycle has helped my brain and 
body function far, far better. To address a few points:

-- "Paleo" is a non specific term that refers to any number of diets and 
reasons and thus has no particular meaning.
-- We eat 100% grass fed meat and animal products. The difference from 
grain fed is primarily is the fat, and the flavor is rich and dynamic. By 
eliminating grains from any part of the food cycle our family eats, we have 
experienced dramatic improvements.
-- Yes, humans have eaten glucose for a very long time. We need glucose 
(either produced from fat by our liver or ingested directly). I do much 
better eating "safe" carbs such as white rice, potatoes, and sweet potatoes 
(about 1-2 cups a day).

Anyone interested in the science will find a plethora of information at 
www.PerfectHealthDiet.com and their book.

My apologies for inadvertently ruffling feathers.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Portland Visit 4/13 Mixed Terrain Ride?

[Manuel Acosta]

Yikes SATURDAY 4/13 


On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 6:53:08 AM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Andy,
> She says I need to be back in downtown Portland by 1pm in the afternoon. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:00:37 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> Saturday 4/13 or Sunday 4/14? I'm in either way. 
>> Where do you need to be at the end of the ride? That might give a better 
>> idea what direction to head. 
>> --A
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:55:13 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>>
>>> So the ladyfriend and I are planning on going up to Portland for a 
>>> couple of days. She gave me the okay for a couple of hours of riding for 
>>> that Saturday. 4ish hours I think she says something about being at the 
>>> airport to catch our flight... But no matter! I get the opportunity of 
>>> riding  with the wonderful Portlanders of RBW Owners Bunch! 
>>> My two buddy connections Tommy and Andy know that I am coming by and I'm 
>>> hoping we can get a ride set up for that Saturday morning.
>>> So I open up ride suggestions.
>>> Anything good as long as the company is good and there is food at the 
>>> end. 
>>> Being mixed terrain would be a plus. Having something to climb so I 
>>> could survey the countryside would be fun but not necessary. 
>>> The big question is if you had one four hour ride to do around Portland 
>>> what would you do?
>>>
>>> Looking forward to taking pictures. So you know.. if happens.
>>> Hoping to see some of you posters in person.
>>>
>>> -Manny "Looking forward to some Stumptown" Acosta
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Portland Visit 4/14 Mixed Terrain Ride?

[Manuel Acosta]

Andy,
She says I need to be back in downtown Portland by 1pm in the afternoon. 



On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:00:37 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>
> Saturday 4/13 or Sunday 4/14? I'm in either way. 
> Where do you need to be at the end of the ride? That might give a better 
> idea what direction to head. 
> --A
>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:55:13 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>
>> So the ladyfriend and I are planning on going up to Portland for a couple 
>> of days. She gave me the okay for a couple of hours of riding for that 
>> Saturday. 4ish hours I think she says something about being at the airport 
>> to catch our flight... But no matter! I get the opportunity of riding  with 
>> the wonderful Portlanders of RBW Owners Bunch! 
>> My two buddy connections Tommy and Andy know that I am coming by and I'm 
>> hoping we can get a ride set up for that Saturday morning.
>> So I open up ride suggestions.
>> Anything good as long as the company is good and there is food at the 
>> end. 
>> Being mixed terrain would be a plus. Having something to climb so I could 
>> survey the countryside would be fun but not necessary. 
>> The big question is if you had one four hour ride to do around Portland 
>> what would you do?
>>
>> Looking forward to taking pictures. So you know.. if happens.
>> Hoping to see some of you posters in person.
>>
>> -Manny "Looking forward to some Stumptown" Acosta
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] London Mayor makes Grantesque statement when announcing new cycling infrastructure push

[Matthew J]

A few years back Grant turned us on to Murphy of Ireland.  I have two tweed 
jackets.  The wool, cloth and jackets are all made by small businesses in 
West Ireland.  The look is rugged but acceptably refined enough I do not 
feel out of place among my more sartorial inclined colleagues wearing 
them.  The price is not all that high considering the quality.  

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[RBW] Re: “Paleofantasy”: Stone Age delusions - Is Grant Eating the Wrong Stuff?

[Matthew J]

Frankly, except when I am stuck sitting next to a wide body on the subway, 
I tend not to be all that concerned about what others eat.
 
That said, the Paleo diet advocates insistence early humans did not eat 
grain is rot.  Humans evolved in grass lands.  As the linked article points 
out, there is good archaelogical evidence of grain processing going about 
as far back into human history.  
 
Yes, modern society modifies grains and refines the heck out of them.  But 
the dead animals paleos eat have also been genetically modified, are pumped 
with anti-biotics, absorb pollutants from the air and water and eat 
modified and processed grain.

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[RBW] Re: Hi from Kai, Hillborne roller and web enthusiast

[Tom Harrop]

Nice looking bike! I'm always happy to have more tall riders on the list.

Can I ask your saddle height? I'm 6′5″-ish but all legs and ride a 68 cm 
Bombadil with a saddle height of 90 cm.

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam/Simpleone rear whell question

[Philip Williamson]

I like that idea a lot. Ratcheting wrench and pedal wrench all in one.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 54cm Ram frame + fork

[JL]

Still accepting offers on this: 
- jason

 Standard-ish riv build: 
>  54cm toyo built ram (blue) 42 noodles/tech deluxe/ultegra headset,rd/ 
> Dura Ace FD /Shim 600friction dt shifter/700x28c roughie toughies/105/araya 
> wheels/ etc. 
>
 

>  $1000 Shipped F/F/HS
>  $1500 Shipped Complete  
>  
>
54c-t seat tube 55cm top tube 71.5 hta, 72.5 sta 5.2cm rake 78cm stand over.

>  Thanks - more details/offers/etc offlist. 
>  Jason - SF,CA 
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