[RBW] Dapper custom on Blug

[Michael]

What  nice looking custom...dig the rear brake cable running under the TT 
and the brake bridge and the star bosses and the window on the dropout stay 
thingy, and the color, and how fast the bike looks.

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Re: [RBW] Mirrors and gadgets (was Why Wear a Helmet?)

[Eunice Chang]

Dear Jim,

My deepest condolences. It is never an easy thing to lose a friend.

-Eunice


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I just started using a helmet mirror because my friend got ran over and
> killed last Saturday on a popular cycling route.  I can understand the
> desire to see the cars behind you at all times.   I don't think you need a
> support group for it.
>
> http://kxan.com/2014/05/18/friends-remember-avid-cyclist-killed-in-crash/
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Doug Williams wrote:
>
>> I admit that I am addicted to my helmet mirror as well. So much so, that
>> just a few days ago, I was pushing my shopping cart through the Costco
>> parking lot when I heard a car behind me. My first instinct was to glance
>> at my (non-existent) helmet mirror. Maybe I need to wear my helmet while
>> walking? Please help me! Is there a support group for mirror addiction?
>>
>> I really like my helmet mirror. It is the type that attaches to
>> eyeglasses, but I like it much more attached to my helmet visor. I am so
>> addicted to my mirror that I am stuck wearing my helmet whenever I am
>> riding near cars. Off road, I prefer my Tilley Hat, but on road, I need the
>> mirror. I know, I know…how un-Rivendell of me! The mirror used to fall off
>> until I lashed it onto the visor (Rivendell handlebar style) using hemp
>> twine that I bought from Riv. Of course, all this was a futile attempt to
>> assuage my guilt and “Riv my helmet” so I could tell myself that I’m not
>> really a geeky Fred. But truth be told, I am a geeky Fred; and no amount of
>> Rivendell hempen twine is going to fix that.
>>
>> Now I have a handlebar mount for my phone! Is there any hope for me? Can
>> I escape this gadget addiction?
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> *JimD*
>>
>> I wear a helmet as insurance. Besides it's where I mount my mirror.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd ride without the helmet before I rode without the mirror but, as it
>> is, they are inextricably linked.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe we can have a 'discussion' about the use of mirrors?
>>
>>
>>
>> As to helmets and horses go watch the cross country portion of a 3 day
>> trials. Those folks wear helmets some of them still get killed.
>>
>>
>>
>> -JimD
>>
>>
>>
>> [image:
>> https://www.google.com/s2/photos/public/AIbEiAIAAABDCLSmj_6Ipu-PfSILdmNhcmRfcGhvdG8qKDc3NDljN2Q3NzlmZDA2NTE3MTVmY2Q5NDg0NmQ1OGI0ZDg3NTRkYjkwAfhM2l7isKQIScZs3e0snfxB_y9T?authuser=0&sz=34]
>>  Ron
>> Mc
>>
>> I'm with you Jim, I can't ride without my mirror
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Habitual rides, riding habits

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick, 

My riding is similar to yours but at shorter distances (I think you made 
the same observation in a thread I started) and I finally decided that I am 
incapable of long and steady riding.  As you said, "pushing it" is a very 
relative term but it's how I ride and how I've always ridden.  

Back in the mid-90's, when I bought my first bike, I got the road bug and 
bought a Raleigh road bike.  I rode it for maybe six months with the 
longest ride being 19.x miles.  I quickly learned that road bike riding 
isn't for me and sold it.  I do have a long-term goal of riding 20 miles, 
just to beat that 1995 ride but after that, I'm not worried about distance. 
 At one time I wanted to train for a century but I think the misery of 
doing it isn't enough to justify the pride in having the achievement.  I'll 
just continue to zip around my neighborhood and generally act like a kid on 
a bike.  Besides, I think it's better for me than long and slowmore 
like interval training.  


On Friday, May 23, 2014 12:31:42 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The other thread on brevets got me thinking. As someone for whom a long 
> ride is 30 miles, it is very interesting to see what distances others like 
> to ride, and how. Yesterday's ride for me was a great one, combining 
> several things that I find pleasant:
>
> a mid-way "useful" destination (bike shop visit);
>
> pushing myself (I realize that "pushing", and even more the result of 
> that, is very relative to my ability) -- pushing a bigger gear than usual 
> outbound because of the tailwind (75" and 80" gears); pushing against a 
> stiff wind on the return, 72" with a mile or so in the 65"; 11 miles out 
> with a small circuit, and 9 miles straight back).
>
> a bike that is fun to push hard (ish): the Ram with nice close gearing, 
> and saddle and bar set up *just so* so that I can ride for extended periods 
> in the hooks, elbows bent, slow cadence, large torque.
>
> a distance -- 20 miles -- that somewhat stretched me at the pace I was 
> maintaining but that was long enough to get into stride and finish without 
> being exhausted.
>
> I find though that after 30 years of this sort of riding -- short, hard* 
> -- it is hard for me imaginatively and emotionally to break out of the 
> habit. I want to push hard from the end of the driveway, so to speak. And 
> even though I've learned -- it took me literally 8 years of trying -- to 
> ride more slowly, particularly for the first 2-3 miles, I get impatient 
> when I go too slowly. The down side of going hard is that you, or at least 
> I, rather quickly get to a point where I've had enough and want to go home.
>
> Incidentally, one reason I love fixed so much is that it works so well for 
> this sort of riding.
>
>  * Hard used to be a lot harder when I was in my 30s and 40s; I'd 
> routinely do just under 20 suburban miles in an hour; my usual routes were 
> 18-20 miles taking me 55-65 minutes; or 15-16 mile one way commutes 
> (sometimes expanded to 20) averaging 16-17 clock running across town, 7 
> miles climbing fixed, depending whether or not there was a wind off the 
> mountains in the morning.)
>
> But at 59I can't push myself as I did at 49 or 39, and I keep meaning to 
> try longer -- let's say 40 miles -- and slower rides. The main reason for 
> buying the Ram  at the very end of 2012 was to ride longer and easier; so 
> far that hasn't happened.
>
> I'm not looking for advice, just thinking out loud. I have to say that I 
> enjoy cycling even more now that I am 4 mph slower -- on the two legs 
> yesterday I averaged 14.85 out and 13.69 in, but those numbers don't mean 
> anything since I left Cyclemeter running as I stopped 3 times outbound to 
> adjust and readjust a cleat, and inbound stopped at Sprouts to get some 
> food. A typical run to the PO and grocery, clock running, 3 miles turned 
> into 15, is 12.5-13.5.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: BB length for Atlantis with White VBC cranks?

[rperks]

Mark,
I am correct in thinking that you picked up these cranks used?  and if you 
have a 113 bb spindle, new or in good shape, can you put the arms on said 
spindle out of the bike, so that the arms are across from each other, and 
torque down to spec of 30 ft lbs?  From there it should be easy to measure 
the Q factor with a tape measure or ruler.  I am wondering if the arms had 
previously been off and on, or run loose and the tapers are slightly 
buggered.  This could cause them to run up on the spindle tapers and give 
you a false impression of fit with a specified spindle.  This still puts 
you back at a point of trial and error to get them working.

My only concern is if you are needing a bb spindle that long it means you 
quite possible are having 14.5 mm of creep split up in some portion of each 
arm.  I am guessing these have the self extracting bolts, and yo may not be 
seeing how close these are to having the bolt bottom out on the spindle 
end.  You may get these to work on a longer spindle, but is the tapers are 
that far out of spec you may honestly want to start thinking about safety 
of use.  

That all said, even with the math WI recommends, a 36 inner ring is pretty 
big and may be a portion of the multi faceted problem.  First thing I would 
do is confirm Q on a known accurate spindle, and make sure you are remotely 
within tolerance.  From there if you want to use the cranks you will also 
have a new baseline for you calculations on where it all sits in space.

Another thing to consider is the differences between spindles.  I have 
installed the VBC on WI, SKF, Shimano and IRD 113 bottom brackets.  They 
are all close, but there is still a bit over a mm in spread of where the 
chain line ends up.  That said, once the chain is on and you are rolling it 
is all about the same.

Rob
(the only thing worse than professional liability for answering questions, 
is answering questions about used parts and stuff you talk about on the 
internet ;-) )
Ventura, Ca


On Thursday, May 22, 2014 2:50:59 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Realized after posting that you likely were referring to the 46/36 chain 
> ring sizes as being a road double, not the actual crank arms. My mistake. 
> Ride your bike!
>
> On Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:47:57 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> The ENO crank is not a road double actually, it is a mountain double 
>> crank. VBC cranks are offered in two variations - road and mountain. ENO 
>> cranks are the single speed and mountain double arms. The cranks I have are 
>> designed with wide chain stays in mind, so this should work. I always knew 
>> the Atlantis had wide stays, but after seeing a few photos of this 
>> combination online, I wasn't expecting any troubles.
>>
>> The only reason this is getting complicated is because the instructions 
>> provided by White Industries themselves generated a BB length that simply 
>> made no sense - well over 140mm.
>>
>> So in some ways, I agree - my first step was to use the 
>> manufacturer-provided guidelines for calculating bottom brackets. This 
>> generated questionable results, so that lead me to option two: ask the 
>> owners group if anyone is running the same combination and can share their 
>> BB length. Since that didn't turn anything up either, I asked the 
>> manufacturer if I was using their formula correctly. And then, like you 
>> suggested, I'm on to option 3 - go to a shop, and trial and error. 
>>
>> I am well aware that bike shops charge for labour by the hour and it's a 
>> valuable service. I spend a significant amount of my money employing my 
>> local shops for this exact service, so there is no need to preach the value 
>> of paying skilled craftspeople to me. I am part of the choir. The reason 
>> why this thread has rambled on is that there never should have been a need 
>> to employ any skilled mechanic, much less go into a trail and error mode 
>> and waste money buying a bunch of cheap bottom brackets as a means of 
>> finding the right length, because calculating BB length is easy with some 
>> simple math. I've done it for all my bikes for over a decade. I pay my bike 
>> shop to do things I can't do, and order components locally whenever 
>> possible. I'm building the Atlantis myself because I enjoy it, not simply 
>> to save money or because I don't value skilled work. 
>>
>> I manage a graphic design studio and have the exact same understanding of 
>> the value of time as you do in architecture. That's why I came to an 
>> owner/enthusiast group first, which doesn't cost anyone anything, then 
>> contacted the manufacturer of the crank second (simply asking if I was 
>> using their published guidelines for calculations correctly) and only 
>> contacted Riv for advice after even my own local shop mechanics (who I pay) 
>> were scratching their heads. 
>>
>> Anyway, you may be glad to know I now have a pile of unused bottom 
>> brackets as well as a number of other components for the build purchas

Re: [RBW] 400k plus

[Eric Norris]

I find peeing in the great outdoors to be one of positive features of long 
distance cycling. Makes me feel like a cyclist in the 1890s, when convenience 
stores didn't exist. 

–Eric N
Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On May 23, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
> 
> Most of the time at the convenience store.  Sometimes trees get watered.  
> 
> In 8 years of Randoneuring I've only had to do the other on the side of the 
> road once, in a desolate part of Montana.
> 
>> On Friday, May 23, 2014, Peter Morgano  wrote:
>> I know zero about Brevets, had never heard of them until I joined this list. 
>> the one question I always ask myself is "when and where do you go to the 
>> bathroom?" I used to run cross county where the occasional pit stop was 
>> required but that was only a couple of hours. Not trying to be gross, just 
>> curious if I ever go down this road if there are bathrooms at the controls. 
>> As I get older I have to worry about where a bathroom is, sad, haha.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Lynne Fitz  wrote:
>>> sometime before the 600, you might want to try some doubles or triples - 
>>> ride a 200k on one day, and a 100k the next day.
>>> 
>>> Control efficiency - something I completely suck at, but still a work in 
>>> progress.  Consider stopping, refilling your bottles, and eating the food 
>>> you bought on the bike.  Know what food works for you, so you have a plan 
>>> when faced with a convenience store.  Grocery stores are a huge time suck, 
>>> because they are so big, and they hide the V-8.
>>> 
>>> All the other information given here is good; I am not going to add any 
>>> more to that.
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[RBW] Re: Habitual rides, riding habits

[Ron Mc]

I ride for calories, and to keep the at-rest pulse down, and typically ride 
50+ miles on a weekend, trying to burn 3000 calories or so.  My standard 
early morning ride from my house is 20 miles following a rural creek 
bottom, Starts with a steep 400' drop, pace along the creek road, a 2-mile 
400' windy climb to the next county park, water break, stretch.  The return 
starts with the glorious 2-mile descent and ends with the toughest part - 
the steep climb back into my neighborhood.  The long pace of the ride i'm 
in 80" and 85" gears depending on the wind, I make this ride on my 
lead-pipe Raleigh, because it has the gearing to get me up the steep part 
at the end.  I pass a lot of club riders who come out from town to ride 
this road, and get passed by training racers.  

Make a lot of urban loops into downtown and near northside with my riding 
buddy and his wife. Most often on my go-fast and pavement.  Nice wide roads 
through old-money neighborhoods and connect to greenway trail segments. 
 They will most often take the tandem and of course make good tracks 
downhill - they coast and I pedal to keep up, then they're chasing me up 
hills.  We made a 32 mile loop last weekend in just under two hours, 
including stop and traffic lights, and I dipped into 95 inches to chase 
them.  

We also take our teen-age daughters on greenway rides and picnics, but 
these are always 15-20-mi slow rides.  Another standard 18 mile ride with 
my daughter is a paved greenway we do on go-fast.  This is typically 
chasing her the whole way in 90+" gears.  She is a charger and getting 
stronger - she kayaks the same way.  

A long ride for me is 40 miles and over 2000' climb, and both are 
significant in the Texas summer heat and humidity.  We make a lot of rural 
hill country rides - his MIL has a ranch near Fredericksburg.  Go-fast if 
it's all macadam, but will often take the Raleigh and caliche tires for 
caliche roads.  I like following river roads, and exploring remote river 
crossings.  I also fly fish and may hike/wade 10 miles on an exploration. 
 Occasionally put the two together, Parking the truck at state road and 
biking county roads to get to fishing access.  

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[RBW] Re: Sam vs. Hilsen vs. Roadeo

[Trevor saxton]

I have ridden both a Sam and a Roadeo and would say that RJM covered the 
differences very well.  My roadeo was Bar end friction shifters, I have not 
used indexed shifting in 4 years and can't imagine why I'd go back. 

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Re: [RBW] 400k plus

[Lynne Fitz]

You get really good at spotting porta-potties.  Or concealing shrubs.  Or 
convenience stores.  Depends on what part of the USA you are riding in. 
 Lots of nowhere/nothing out here.  Of course, after dark, it is so much 
easier to be discreet.

I really feel for the riders of a route I just reviewed, where it is 
nothing but open fields as far as the eye can see...

Cheers,
Lynne F

On Friday, May 23, 2014 1:24:08 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> I know zero about Brevets, had never heard of them until I joined this 
> list. the one question I always ask myself is "when and where do you go to 
> the bathroom?" I used to run cross county where the occasional pit stop was 
> required but that was only a couple of hours. Not trying to be gross, just 
> curious if I ever go down this road if there are bathrooms at the controls. 
> As I get older I have to worry about where a bathroom is, sad, haha. 
>
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Lynne Fitz 
> > wrote:
>
>> sometime before the 600, you might want to try some doubles or triples - 
>> ride a 200k on one day, and a 100k the next day.
>>
>> Control efficiency - something I completely suck at, but still a work in 
>> progress.  Consider stopping, refilling your bottles, and eating the food 
>> you bought on the bike.  Know what food works for you, so you have a plan 
>> when faced with a convenience store.  Grocery stores are a huge time suck, 
>> because they are so big, and they hide the V-8.
>>
>> All the other information given here is good; I am not going to add any 
>> more to that.
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Re: [RBW] 400k plus

[Jim Bronson]

Most of the time at the convenience store.  Sometimes trees get watered.

In 8 years of Randoneuring I've only had to do the other on the side of the
road once, in a desolate part of Montana.

On Friday, May 23, 2014, Peter Morgano  wrote:

> I know zero about Brevets, had never heard of them until I joined this
> list. the one question I always ask myself is "when and where do you go to
> the bathroom?" I used to run cross county where the occasional pit stop was
> required but that was only a couple of hours. Not trying to be gross, just
> curious if I ever go down this road if there are bathrooms at the controls.
> As I get older I have to worry about where a bathroom is, sad, haha.
>
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Lynne Fitz 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> sometime before the 600, you might want to try some doubles or triples -
>> ride a 200k on one day, and a 100k the next day.
>>
>> Control efficiency - something I completely suck at, but still a work in
>> progress.  Consider stopping, refilling your bottles, and eating the food
>> you bought on the bike.  Know what food works for you, so you have a plan
>> when faced with a convenience store.  Grocery stores are a huge time suck,
>> because they are so big, and they hide the V-8.
>>
>> All the other information given here is good; I am not going to add any
>> more to that.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn Boxy Bag

[TomT]

Sorry, need to learn more about the settings.
But bag is sold.

On Friday, May 23, 2014 1:04:47 PM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote:
>
> The Google link doesn't seem to be opening.
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Friday, May 23, 2014 1:54:52 PM UTC-4, TomT wrote:
>>
>> Link to larger photos: 
>> https://plus.google.com/108269745341427848788/posts/Yv5TZw9WfAA
>>
>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] 400k plus

[Deacon Patrick]

Always a good question, Peter! Several things of note from my experience 
and learning with endurance "stuff":

-- I, and I think most people, generally drink too much water 
("Waterlogged" is a fantastic and enlightening read). Drink to thirst, no 
more, no less. But if you are thirsty for a while and then drink to thirst, 
that's no biggie. The "if your urine is yellow you're dehydrated" rule is 
bunk). Yes, I know this goes against everything you've ever heard. 
Everything we both ever heard was wrong.
-- The more grains and carbs you ingest, the more water you will need, not 
for you, but to process them. And they make your body work harder and 
dumber, so why not become fat burning instead?
-- I often go for a full day's ride without using the bathroom, just 
drinking to thirst. But then I often do a full day's ride without eating 
breakfast, so it's 24+ hours since my last food. I do take butter or cream 
or coconut oil on rides if I need fuel.
-- I ride remote roads and trails, so the world is my toilet. Grin. Sticks 
or rocks dig/cover holes, squat, use leaves or grass or rocks to clean up 
if needed (eating mostly fat cleanup is rarely needed), done.
-- When I get home I drink a glass of water and then begin going again, no 
problems. My body realizes I'm not sweating it all out, so it balances 
things out.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, May 23, 2014 2:24:08 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:
>
> I know zero about Brevets, had never heard of them until I joined this 
> list. the one question I always ask myself is "when and where do you go to 
> the bathroom?" I used to run cross county where the occasional pit stop was 
> required but that was only a couple of hours. Not trying to be gross, just 
> curious if I ever go down this road if there are bathrooms at the controls. 
> As I get older I have to worry about where a bathroom is, sad, haha. 
>
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Lynne Fitz 
> > wrote:
>
>> sometime before the 600, you might want to try some doubles or triples - 
>> ride a 200k on one day, and a 100k the next day.
>>
>> Control efficiency - something I completely suck at, but still a work in 
>> progress.  Consider stopping, refilling your bottles, and eating the food 
>> you bought on the bike.  Know what food works for you, so you have a plan 
>> when faced with a convenience store.  Grocery stores are a huge time suck, 
>> because they are so big, and they hide the V-8.
>>
>> All the other information given here is good; I am not going to add any 
>> more to that.
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Re: [RBW] 400k plus

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/23/2014 04:24 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
I know zero about Brevets, had never heard of them until I joined this 
list. the one question I always ask myself is "when and where do you 
go to the bathroom?" I used to run cross county where the occasional 
pit stop was required but that was only a couple of hours. Not trying 
to be gross, just curious if I ever go down this road if there are 
bathrooms at the controls. As I get older I have to worry about where 
a bathroom is, sad, haha.


Controls are frequently at convenience stores.

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Re: [RBW] 400k plus

[Peter Morgano]

I know zero about Brevets, had never heard of them until I joined this
list. the one question I always ask myself is "when and where do you go to
the bathroom?" I used to run cross county where the occasional pit stop was
required but that was only a couple of hours. Not trying to be gross, just
curious if I ever go down this road if there are bathrooms at the controls.
As I get older I have to worry about where a bathroom is, sad, haha.


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Lynne Fitz  wrote:

> sometime before the 600, you might want to try some doubles or triples -
> ride a 200k on one day, and a 100k the next day.
>
> Control efficiency - something I completely suck at, but still a work in
> progress.  Consider stopping, refilling your bottles, and eating the food
> you bought on the bike.  Know what food works for you, so you have a plan
> when faced with a convenience store.  Grocery stores are a huge time suck,
> because they are so big, and they hide the V-8.
>
> All the other information given here is good; I am not going to add any
> more to that.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn Boxy Bag

[Kieran J]

The Google link doesn't seem to be opening.

KJ


On Friday, May 23, 2014 1:54:52 PM UTC-4, TomT wrote:
>
> Link to larger photos: 
> https://plus.google.com/108269745341427848788/posts/Yv5TZw9WfAA
>
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[RBW] 400k plus

[Lynne Fitz]

sometime before the 600, you might want to try some doubles or triples - ride a 
200k on one day, and a 100k the next day.  

Control efficiency - something I completely suck at, but still a work in 
progress.  Consider stopping, refilling your bottles, and eating the food you 
bought on the bike.  Know what food works for you, so you have a plan when 
faced with a convenience store.  Grocery stores are a huge time suck, because 
they are so big, and they hide the V-8.

All the other information given here is good; I am not going to add any more to 
that.

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[RBW] Habitual rides, riding habits

[Lynne Fitz]

miles - I ride brevets.  I am your age :-)  I have good luck at the 200k, am 
finding 300k a bit challenging these days, and just abandoned a 400k at 175 
miles last weekend :-(  I did manage to achieve Super Randonneur twice, but my 
stomach seems to be checking out about 250k these days, and with it, my will to 
live.

But yes, I ride long.  I can ride a 200k with no training/preparation, because 
I ride them so often.  I also try to do most of my local errands by bike; I can 
get to the grocery, post office, library, haircuts, battery store, bookstore, 
etc quite easily; all within 4 miles of the house.  Utility/errand bike is my 
Bleriot, which used to be the rando bike, so it is an over the top utility 
bike, if you know what I mean.  With generator lighting, so I never worry about 
being caught out in the dark.

My problem is finding the motivation to go out and ride 100ks solo during the 
week (retired).  I like company.

Cheers,
Lynne F
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[RBW] Re: 400k plus

[IanA]

Hi Tim,

Good luck on completing the upcoming brevet series and on accomplishing the 
PBP - I'm sure you'll do really well.

My longest distance was 400km and the longest before that was a large 
number of solo 200km rides (I skipped the 300km!) so my advice would be 
anecdotal, but I did find the struggle for me on the 400km was nutrition 
management (I was vegan at that time).  The weather was good, so I didn't 
have to worry about clothing on that 400km.  On some of the 200km rides I 
got very cold and wet and I'm still learning about clothing and equipment, 
but sadly I work too much now and my riding is limited to commuting and 
grocery shop (for shame). I liked the 200km training rides as I could sneak 
one in every time I had a free day.

I don't know if you are familiar with the Randon list? 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/randon - worth posting your same 
questions there.  You'll find a wealth of enthusiastic experience to draw 
from.

Of course, ride reports are encouraged on this list as are photos.

Ian A. 



On Friday, May 23, 2014 6:05:14 AM UTC-6, Tim wrote:
>
> I know several of you in the group ride brevets so it's time to pick your 
> brains. I've taken them up again this year. In 2011 i completed a 200k, had 
> a DNF 300k followed by finishing a planned 175 mile ride. I've had no rides 
> over 50-60 miles since until this year, got fat, etc. I decided I needed a 
> goal to help motivate me so I put PBP 2015 on the calendar. I've lost over 
> 45 lbs and am loving riding again. I did a 200k a couple of weeks ago and 
> have a 300k next week which I'm nervous about but fairly confident. My 
> question is about beyond that. I'm wondering if I need to progress to the 
> other distances. In other words, should I try 350k before 400 then 500 
> before 600? Or do you think that by the time I've gone 300k that the base 
> is built up enough to sustain the larger jumps in time and distance? Riv 
> content: I'm riding this on my Homer and loving it! I'd like to complete 
> the whole series (200,300,400, 600) this summer so I'll have a good taste 
> for what's in store next year in Paris.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn Boxy Bag

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Link to larger 
photos: https://plus.google.com/108269745341427848788/posts/Yv5TZw9WfAA


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[RBW] Habitual rides, riding habits

[Patrick Moore]

The other thread on brevets got me thinking. As someone for whom a long
ride is 30 miles, it is very interesting to see what distances others like
to ride, and how. Yesterday's ride for me was a great one, combining
several things that I find pleasant:

a mid-way "useful" destination (bike shop visit);

pushing myself (I realize that "pushing", and even more the result of that,
is very relative to my ability) -- pushing a bigger gear than usual
outbound because of the tailwind (75" and 80" gears); pushing against a
stiff wind on the return, 72" with a mile or so in the 65"; 11 miles out
with a small circuit, and 9 miles straight back).

a bike that is fun to push hard (ish): the Ram with nice close gearing, and
saddle and bar set up *just so* so that I can ride for extended periods in
the hooks, elbows bent, slow cadence, large torque.

a distance -- 20 miles -- that somewhat stretched me at the pace I was
maintaining but that was long enough to get into stride and finish without
being exhausted.

I find though that after 30 years of this sort of riding -- short, hard* --
it is hard for me imaginatively and emotionally to break out of the habit.
I want to push hard from the end of the driveway, so to speak. And even
though I've learned -- it took me literally 8 years of trying -- to ride
more slowly, particularly for the first 2-3 miles, I get impatient when I
go too slowly. The down side of going hard is that you, or at least I,
rather quickly get to a point where I've had enough and want to go home.

Incidentally, one reason I love fixed so much is that it works so well for
this sort of riding.

 * Hard used to be a lot harder when I was in my 30s and 40s; I'd routinely
do just under 20 suburban miles in an hour; my usual routes were 18-20
miles taking me 55-65 minutes; or 15-16 mile one way commutes (sometimes
expanded to 20) averaging 16-17 clock running across town, 7 miles climbing
fixed, depending whether or not there was a wind off the mountains in the
morning.)

But at 59I can't push myself as I did at 49 or 39, and I keep meaning to
try longer -- let's say 40 miles -- and slower rides. The main reason for
buying the Ram  at the very end of 2012 was to ride longer and easier; so
far that hasn't happened.

I'm not looking for advice, just thinking out loud. I have to say that I
enjoy cycling even more now that I am 4 mph slower -- on the two legs
yesterday I averaged 14.85 out and 13.69 in, but those numbers don't mean
anything since I left Cyclemeter running as I stopped 3 times outbound to
adjust and readjust a cleat, and inbound stopped at Sprouts to get some
food. A typical run to the PO and grocery, clock running, 3 miles turned
into 15, is 12.5-13.5.

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[RBW] FS: Acorn Boxy Bag

[TomT]

 


 


In Pretty good shape. Holes drilled for Berthoud decaleur,  The decaleur is 
not included-- a 2-bolt threadless, short,can be had separately for $60.
But a bonus shoulder strap is.  $175 shipped in the cont. US.
Thanks for reading.

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Re: [RBW] 400k plus

[Eric Norris]

Speaking from personal experience, I don't think it would be helpful to ride a 
350K in preparation for a 400K, or a 550 before a 600. The 400 and 600 
distances start stretching the notion of "fun" (for me) and start becoming real 
work. Personally, if I were going to ride 500K, I would only do that on the way 
to a full 600K.

The longer distances will test several things:

The suitability of your bike to be comfortably ridden for days at a time
Your ability to ride and perform under a sleep deficit (you will *never* be 
able to get enough sleep on a 600 or 1200)
The quality of your clothing, particularly your shorts. I've ridden more than 
150 double centuries, and in my experience there's a huge difference between 
that distance and a 600 or 1200. A minor irritation caused by chafing that you 
can live with for 200 miles can quickly become quite painful and serious at the 
longer distances. The worst thing that happened to me at PBP in 2011 was 
chafing on Day 3, the result of a minor issue that I stupidly didn't deal with 
properly on Day 1.
Your ability to manage time, maintain a pace, and deal with minor setbacks. At 
PBP, you'll likely end up finishing close to the max time. Little things add up 
over the course of the almost 4 days you'll be riding, and if you don't pay 
constant attention to moving toward your goal, you could easily DNF. An extra 5 
minutes at each control will add up to an additional hour of time--that could 
be a disaster.

Here's a pretty good overview of what the different distances are about (not 
written by me): 
http://marcusjb.wordpress.com/2013/11/05/so-youre-thinking-about-paris-brest-paris-2015-then/
  

--Eric N
campyonly...@me.com
Web: www.campyonly.com 
Twitter: @campyonlyguy
Blog: campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

On May 23, 2014, at 5:05 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:

> I know several of you in the group ride brevets so it's time to pick your 
> brains. I've taken them up again this year. In 2011 i completed a 200k, had a 
> DNF 300k followed by finishing a planned 175 mile ride. I've had no rides 
> over 50-60 miles since until this year, got fat, etc. I decided I needed a 
> goal to help motivate me so I put PBP 2015 on the calendar. I've lost over 45 
> lbs and am loving riding again. I did a 200k a couple of weeks ago and have a 
> 300k next week which I'm nervous about but fairly confident. My question is 
> about beyond that. I'm wondering if I need to progress to the other 
> distances. In other words, should I try 350k before 400 then 500 before 600? 
> Or do you think that by the time I've gone 300k that the base is built up 
> enough to sustain the larger jumps in time and distance? Riv content: I'm 
> riding this on my Homer and loving it! I'd like to complete the whole series 
> (200,300,400, 600) this summer so I'll have a good taste for what's in store 
> next year in Paris.
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[RBW] Re: 400k plus

[dailyrandonneur]

Tim --

The conventional approach is to ride the brevets in order without trying to 
do too much in between, as long as the gaps are not more than 2-3 weeks. 
It's good to give your legs some time to recover and adapt. Most everybody 
is intimidated by the 400K, I am still after a number of years 
randonneuring. Showing up with rested legs and good sleep the week leading 
into the ride makes a big difference. 

If you were able to ride the 175 miler without major difficulty in similar 
terrain, you can complete a 400K. It may not be comfortable, but you'll get 
there. 

Keep up with your food and drink, don't ride too hard early in the event 
and see if you can group up with other riders for the nighttime hours. 
You'll likely have a low energy point somewhere during the ride, don't 
worry, a good rest stop helps; eat and drink whatever you think will raise 
your energy level and spirits. I've taken a mini-nap of 10 minutes in the 
past which is surprisingly refreshing. 

Nightfall also has a natural energizing effect as your senses perk up to 
deal with the dark, as does the prospect of finishing. 

Hope this helps. 


On Friday, May 23, 2014 8:05:14 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>
> I know several of you in the group ride brevets so it's time to pick your 
> brains. I've taken them up again this year. In 2011 i completed a 200k, had 
> a DNF 300k followed by finishing a planned 175 mile ride. I've had no rides 
> over 50-60 miles since until this year, got fat, etc. I decided I needed a 
> goal to help motivate me so I put PBP 2015 on the calendar. I've lost over 
> 45 lbs and am loving riding again. I did a 200k a couple of weeks ago and 
> have a 300k next week which I'm nervous about but fairly confident. My 
> question is about beyond that. I'm wondering if I need to progress to the 
> other distances. In other words, should I try 350k before 400 then 500 
> before 600? Or do you think that by the time I've gone 300k that the base 
> is built up enough to sustain the larger jumps in time and distance? Riv 
> content: I'm riding this on my Homer and loving it! I'd like to complete 
> the whole series (200,300,400, 600) this summer so I'll have a good taste 
> for what's in store next year in Paris.

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[RBW] Re: 400k plus

[Jon Doyle]

A randonneur series is structured progressively to prepare you for the next 
ride. Some of the jumps seem considerable, but hey, you're talking about 
eventually riding 1200k! Examine your fitness, mental state, comfort, etc 
after each ride and see what you think. Let this and your intuition guide 
you.

My unimportant suggestions: just ride the brevet series, and ride shorter 
hilly routes in between to strengthen climbing skills. Making good time on 
the hills and having the strength to do it over and over is worth a lot. 
Riding long distances too often can be a bummer. Ride with friends whenever 
possible.

I'm a fairly young randonneur, and this approach has been successful for 
me. I completed a couple brevet series, multiple 600ks, and my first 1200k 
was slice o' cake. And I didn't get burned out from riding too much or 
alienate my loved ones.

Jon, 
Watertown, MA


On Friday, May 23, 2014 8:05:14 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>
> I know several of you in the group ride brevets so it's time to pick your 
> brains. I've taken them up again this year. In 2011 i completed a 200k, had 
> a DNF 300k followed by finishing a planned 175 mile ride. I've had no rides 
> over 50-60 miles since until this year, got fat, etc. I decided I needed a 
> goal to help motivate me so I put PBP 2015 on the calendar. I've lost over 
> 45 lbs and am loving riding again. I did a 200k a couple of weeks ago and 
> have a 300k next week which I'm nervous about but fairly confident. My 
> question is about beyond that. I'm wondering if I need to progress to the 
> other distances. In other words, should I try 350k before 400 then 500 
> before 600? Or do you think that by the time I've gone 300k that the base 
> is built up enough to sustain the larger jumps in time and distance? Riv 
> content: I'm riding this on my Homer and loving it! I'd like to complete 
> the whole series (200,300,400, 600) this summer so I'll have a good taste 
> for what's in store next year in Paris.

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Re: [RBW] 400k plus

[Jim Bronson]

The first step is sunscreen - as Kurt Vonnegut once recommended.

Of course, getting comfortable on the bike is huge.  Tires, saddle,
positioning, fenders, etc.  Stand up on your pedals every so often to keep
blood flow in the nether regions, and shaking your hands out ever so
often.  You can tough out an uncomfortable ride for 200K but beyond that is
dicey.  I'll assume for the purposes of this discussion you have it dialed
in.

Tangential to the bike is the stuff you carry - I had 5 flats on a 600K in
March, it's always good to have enough tubes, a spare foldable tire, a
pump, patch kit, chain tool, muti tool with 4-5-6-8mm Hex and
screwdrivers, a magic link of some sort and on a longer ride, maybe even a
spare cable or two.  I've known people to carry spare shifters on 1200Ks.
Yes I know this all gets heavy but hey you ride a Rivendell so the thing
weighs what it needs to weigh, right?

For me, calories and electrolyte management are key for distances beyond
200K.  I have to keep eating constantly to keep my energy level up.  I like
chocolate milk and PB&Js best, but I'll take a turkey sandwich if PB&J is
not available.  Energy bars get kind of chalky after a while but they're
good to have because they don't spoil as easily.

I live in Texas and it gets hot.  I sweat a lot too.  I find that I need
sodium - a LOT of sodium, to keep myself going, when the temps are anything
above 80F.  I cannot drink plain water or it will lead to cramps.  Some
people are different in this regard but for me - no plain water.  I drink
Accelerade in my bottle and do V8 or a pickle at the controls.

Having company also helps, I know sometimes people ride with a stoic face
throughout the night all by themselves, but it really lifts the spirits to
have a couple of people with you.  Find a group that rides about your pace
and stick with them if you can.

I like to also have some GU Rocktane within reach in the late hours - it
has about as much caffeine in it as a Coke and can give you a boost when
you're feeling sleepy.

If you're riding a multi-day ride it's good to have some Tylenol PM
(contains benedryl) to make sure you get to sleep.  It's also good to keep
your own food supply in the room on multiday rides.  You'll want dinner
when you get back, and everything except convenience stores will be
closed.  You'll also want breakfast when you get up to go ride the next
day, make sure you have some calories handy.  As an emergency measure, a
high protein Ensure or equivalent store brand is great.

Learn how to recover from a bonk or a sour stomach - pedialyte and baby
food are good for most people, although expensive.  Carry your favorite
pain killer and some sort of antacid, Tums, Zantac, whatever.  This is also
when your riding buddies come in handy - take care of each other the best
you can.

Lastly, hate to say it, but sometimes when all else fails you just gotta
HTFU.


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 7:05 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I know several of you in the group ride brevets so it's time to pick your
> brains. I've taken them up again this year. In 2011 i completed a 200k, had
> a DNF 300k followed by finishing a planned 175 mile ride. I've had no rides
> over 50-60 miles since until this year, got fat, etc. I decided I needed a
> goal to help motivate me so I put PBP 2015 on the calendar. I've lost over
> 45 lbs and am loving riding again. I did a 200k a couple of weeks ago and
> have a 300k next week which I'm nervous about but fairly confident. My
> question is about beyond that. I'm wondering if I need to progress to the
> other distances. In other words, should I try 350k before 400 then 500
> before 600? Or do you think that by the time I've gone 300k that the base
> is built up enough to sustain the larger jumps in time and distance? Riv
> content: I'm riding this on my Homer and loving it! I'd like to complete
> the whole series (200,300,400, 600) this summer so I'll have a good taste
> for what's in store next year in Paris.
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[RBW] Re: 400k plus

[Deacon Patrick]

I'm working toward a 200k+ (180 miles) distance, and previously ran Ultra 
distances. The one thing I know is that there are different challenges as 
you extend distances, but there really is no way to prepare for them other 
than to go and experience them. You can run 20 marathons and still not be 
ready for what happens at mile 45. Past a point of roughly 12 hours, 
everything is choice of attitude. If you can go 12 hours, you can go 5 
days, but you have to manage your attitude and approach and expectations 
and everything that so poorly gets summed up as "mental."

Enjoy the rides! I look forward to hearing about your experiences!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, May 23, 2014 6:05:14 AM UTC-6, Tim wrote:
>
> I know several of you in the group ride brevets so it's time to pick your 
> brains. I've taken them up again this year. In 2011 i completed a 200k, had 
> a DNF 300k followed by finishing a planned 175 mile ride. I've had no rides 
> over 50-60 miles since until this year, got fat, etc. I decided I needed a 
> goal to help motivate me so I put PBP 2015 on the calendar. I've lost over 
> 45 lbs and am loving riding again. I did a 200k a couple of weeks ago and 
> have a 300k next week which I'm nervous about but fairly confident. My 
> question is about beyond that. I'm wondering if I need to progress to the 
> other distances. In other words, should I try 350k before 400 then 500 
> before 600? Or do you think that by the time I've gone 300k that the base 
> is built up enough to sustain the larger jumps in time and distance? Riv 
> content: I'm riding this on my Homer and loving it! I'd like to complete 
> the whole series (200,300,400, 600) this summer so I'll have a good taste 
> for what's in store next year in Paris.

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[RBW] 400k plus

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I know several of you in the group ride brevets so it's time to pick your 
brains. I've taken them up again this year. In 2011 i completed a 200k, had a 
DNF 300k followed by finishing a planned 175 mile ride. I've had no rides over 
50-60 miles since until this year, got fat, etc. I decided I needed a goal to 
help motivate me so I put PBP 2015 on the calendar. I've lost over 45 lbs and 
am loving riding again. I did a 200k a couple of weeks ago and have a 300k next 
week which I'm nervous about but fairly confident. My question is about beyond 
that. I'm wondering if I need to progress to the other distances. In other 
words, should I try 350k before 400 then 500 before 600? Or do you think that 
by the time I've gone 300k that the base is built up enough to sustain the 
larger jumps in time and distance? Riv content: I'm riding this on my Homer and 
loving it! I'd like to complete the whole series (200,300,400, 600) this summer 
so I'll have a good taste for what's in store next year in Paris.

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