Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois tires, size discrepancy

[ted]

More or less, and whether 2mm out of 32 should be called a 6% or a 12% 
effect it is certainly 2mm and if that matters to you then it matters.
I tend to go overboard on wishing folks would provide more detail so maybe 
I am nuts here, but I wish when tire widths were stated the rim they were 
measured on was also given. I sort of wish the convention was to state bead 
to bead separation with the tire flattened out instead of mounted width.

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 9:27:22 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> So you're saying, then, that low-pressure tires compress not because the 
> air pressure inside them changes, but because the tire deforms in response 
> to a force and the air pressure inside it remains more or less the same. 
> You say it behaves like a spring and we should analyze it like a spring.
>
> So then one would like a tall tire (with a lot of drop) because it would 
> have lots of room to deform and soak up bumps, but then then the tall tire 
> needs to be wide for good cornering.  And one would like a tire with a 
> supple sidewall because that would also contribute to the tire deforming 
> instead of bouncing when it encounters bumps.
>
> That sounds convincing to me.
>
> But, to return to the issue of whether the Cypres is smaller than other 
> tires made by Panaracer that are called 32 mm tires: I say yes, because (1) 
> Panaracer marks Paselas as 32 mm tires and Cypres as 30 mm tires and (2) 
> when brand new, flat folded Paselas are wider than flat folded Cypreses. 
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:02 PM, ted > 
> wrote:
>
>> The derivate of contact patch area with respect to "drop".
>>
>> I think the support force is roughly psi times contact patch area. I 
>> think that though the internal pressure may increase slightly that effect 
>> is negligible because the change in tire volume is a tiny fraction of the 
>> total. I think the spring rate is psi times delta area divided by delta 
>> drop. I think the relationships between contact patch area, tire width and 
>> drop are a bit complicated. I suspect spring rate dependence on width is 
>> closer to linear than the width squared dependence that is implied by 
>> assuming it varies with cross sectional area (which is what I think you are 
>> suggesting). So for cush I think it is closer to a linear linear dependence.
>>
>> For pinch flats I think you get a linear increase in spring rate from the 
>> width and another linear increase in allowable deformation due to the hight 
>> that goes with the width. So that would suggest a scale factor squared 
>> dependance on that front.
>>
>> My experience of late has been that I pick the pressure based on ride and 
>> handling. Pinch flats just haven't been a problem for me. Of course I don't 
>> assume that is the case for everybody.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:14:42 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>>> The effective spring rate is going to depend on volume, isn't it, 
>>> because the volume says how much air there is and that determines how much 
>>> compression there can be? And the contact patch is going to depend on 
>>> diameter, isn't it?
>>>
>>> The derivative of the contact patch with respect to what?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 6:34 PM, ted  wrote:
>>>
 I would think we care about effective spring rate (cush) and how much 
 additional travel is possible before getting a pinch flat. Aren't those 
 driven by the contact patch size, its derivative, and the height of the 
 tire? How does cross section area (or volume) drive those? 
 Are you sure this is a diameter squared dependency?

 On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:31:44 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

> It's 6% in diameter, but that makes 12% difference in volume, which is 
> what we care about.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deacon Patrick  
> wrote:
>
>> That's about a 6% discrepancy, which certainly seems reasonable given 
>> different rim widths and tire stretch.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:52:31 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>>
>>> If you order some of Jan Heine's tires, be aware of a size 
>>> discrepancy.
>>>
>>> I just got a couple of his Grand Bois tires, which are sold as 700 x 
>>> 32mm. I knew they were made by Panaracer, and I have used the Panaracer 
>>> Pasela 32mm and the Jack Brown 33mm tires, so I figured I knew what to 
>>> expect. When the tires arrived, they looked narrower than I expected. 
>>> Then, 
>>> when I opened them up, they were labelled 700 x 30. Then, when I 
>>> mounted 
>>> them on my Mavic Open Pro rims, they measured 30mm wide.
>>>
>>> When I asked Jan, he explained that he has a different system of 
>>> measurement, and according to his measurement system (mounting them on 
>>> some 
>>> rim or other) they measure 32mm.
>>>
>>> So, expect the Grand Bois tires to be narrower

[RBW] Re: Hip Replacement (not much Riv content)

[Robert F. Harrison]

No bike pictures, but this was the weather and view (one of them) on my
first ride.

https://flic.kr/p/nDAca6

Aloha!

Bob
On Jun 10, 2014 6:23 PM, "Robert F. Harrison"  wrote:

> Rode a nice slow nine miles along the the parks on the ocean here in
> Honolulu. No hills, though a bit of playing in traffic (as little as
> possible).
>
> I felt great but it was enough for today. The Hunq was the perfect bike
> though: cushy ride, nothing twitchy.
>
> Tomorrow I'll start commuting again, but no worries, it's fewer miles then
> I just did (though I can always add them on the way home).
>
> Thanks for all the good wishes. If anyone is contemplating this, get a
> good surgeon and don't wait.
>
> Aloha!
>
> Bob
> On Jun 10, 2014 10:48 AM, "Robert F. Harrison" 
> wrote:
>
>> Great news. Today, six weeks after my hip replacement, I've been cleared
>> to ride a real bicycle again. I've actually been on a stationary exercise
>> bicycle since four days after surgery with no problem, but they didn't want
>> me actually out and about until now.
>>
>> The first bike I'll ride will be the Hunq as it has nice fat Big Ben
>> tires and gearing. I really want to hop on the Quickbeam, but am going to
>> be sensible and give myself the option of gears I can change without
>> dismounting.
>>
>> I don't expect I'll be doing any long rides (20+ miles) immediately or
>> tacking major climbs, but at least I can get back to commuting and weekend
>> fun.
>>
>> Today is the perfect day to be cleared as well. I'll get off work at 2:30
>> pm, go home to do laundry (it's my weekly scheduled time) while tuning up
>> the Hunq, then head out around 5:30 pm for an hour or so of ocean front
>> mellow riding. Sunset is 7:13 pm tonight so I've got plenty of time.
>>
>> Tomorrow we'll get back to biking to work.
>>
>> The doctor has counseled against really long rides (his idea of this and
>> mine are at odds), climbing hard, or week long touring till the end of
>> summer, but that's fine, I've no big bike trips planned this year. I'm
>> hopeful I can get in a couple of short camping trips locally though.
>>
>> I've wanted to hop on a bike and at least go around the block before
>> this, but for once I followed instructions.
>>
>> Aloha!
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Robert F. Harrison 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As an owner of both a QB and Hunq (there's the riv content), I am
>>> completely relieved that my left hip replacement went very well. Those of
>>> you who saw me on my Bike Friday at RAGBRAI 2013 will remember I had a cane
>>> with me and limped around when off the bike.
>>>
>>> I had anterior method surgery on Monday, went home on Wednesday, and
>>> today I had my first out of hospital PT session. I am doing well enough
>>> that I was allowed to get on a stationary bike just to see how I'd do. I
>>> did about five minutes pedaling around 80 RPM with no pain. They had to
>>> make me get off (though the soft saddle would have done that soon enough
>>> anyway).
>>>
>>> Luckily my PT guy knows a bit about biking so he didn't argue about
>>> setting the saddle high enough. I only had to ask him to move it up higher
>>> twice.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how long it'll be before I'm cleared to ride a real bike
>>> but I don't think it'll be all that long (and I'm going to be learning how
>>> to walk for a while because while I've been able to ride for the last two
>>> years walking has become more and more difficult).
>>>
>>> That's it. I'll be back on the road soon.
>>>
>>> Aloha All!
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> --
>>> Robert Harrison
>>> Honolulu, HI
>>> rfharri...@gmail.com
>>> statrix.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Robert Harrison
>> Honolulu, HI
>> rfharri...@gmail.com
>> statrix.com
>>
>

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[RBW] Soma Weymouth 650b rim - initial impressions

[Jim Bronson]

This wheel was not meant for my Riv, but has been pressed into service due
to the cracks in my Synergy.  It's a rear, 650b, 36h, laced to Deore XT
T780 hub, 135 spaced of course.  Sapim double-butted spokes, 3x.

Initial thoughts:
-Super bling shiny!
-Seems wider than Synergy.
-Needed 22mm wide rim tape to cover the extra, non-spoke holes at the the
seam and at the air valve.  Don't know what those holes are there for, I'm
guessing some sort of robotic assembly process, but it takes wider rim tape
to cover them because they are wider out than the spoke holes.
-Tires mount much straighter with less fuss than on the Synergy.  I'm using
Compass LoupLoup Pass, in case anyone wanted to know.  Of course, that
didn't keep my dumn arse from blowing it off the rim the first time I tried
to pump it up, I suspect that I had the tube pinched between the bead and
the rim.  It exploded with a spectacular bang at 70psi, my wife was quite
alarmed.  I was more careful the 2nd time around and it was fine.
-Braking was no different despite the non-machined sidewalls.  I imagine
that it would be a different story in the rain.  At any rate, I didn't have
to make any brake adjustments to accommodate the rim/wheel change, just
popped it in there and went on about my business.
-Rides fine, took it out for about 35 miles after work.  Maybe a tad
stiffer laterally than the Synergy, my bike seemed to be just a tad more
solid when I was out of the saddle on a steep hill.  But maybe I'm just
imagining things.

Obviously, 35 miles isn't enough to give a full evaluation, but so far I am
happy.  The Weymouths are less expensive than some of the other options out
there like the Velocity rims.  I got them at the Soma 20% off sale, after
discount they were $48 each I think.  If it holds up over time I will
definitely give it two thumbs up.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois tires, size discrepancy

[Anne Paulson]

So you're saying, then, that low-pressure tires compress not because the
air pressure inside them changes, but because the tire deforms in response
to a force and the air pressure inside it remains more or less the same.
You say it behaves like a spring and we should analyze it like a spring.

So then one would like a tall tire (with a lot of drop) because it would
have lots of room to deform and soak up bumps, but then then the tall tire
needs to be wide for good cornering.  And one would like a tire with a
supple sidewall because that would also contribute to the tire deforming
instead of bouncing when it encounters bumps.

That sounds convincing to me.

But, to return to the issue of whether the Cypres is smaller than other
tires made by Panaracer that are called 32 mm tires: I say yes, because (1)
Panaracer marks Paselas as 32 mm tires and Cypres as 30 mm tires and (2)
when brand new, flat folded Paselas are wider than flat folded Cypreses.


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:02 PM, ted  wrote:

> The derivate of contact patch area with respect to "drop".
>
> I think the support force is roughly psi times contact patch area. I think
> that though the internal pressure may increase slightly that effect is
> negligible because the change in tire volume is a tiny fraction of the
> total. I think the spring rate is psi times delta area divided by delta
> drop. I think the relationships between contact patch area, tire width and
> drop are a bit complicated. I suspect spring rate dependence on width is
> closer to linear than the width squared dependence that is implied by
> assuming it varies with cross sectional area (which is what I think you are
> suggesting). So for cush I think it is closer to a linear linear dependence.
>
> For pinch flats I think you get a linear increase in spring rate from the
> width and another linear increase in allowable deformation due to the hight
> that goes with the width. So that would suggest a scale factor squared
> dependance on that front.
>
> My experience of late has been that I pick the pressure based on ride and
> handling. Pinch flats just haven't been a problem for me. Of course I don't
> assume that is the case for everybody.
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:14:42 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
>> The effective spring rate is going to depend on volume, isn't it, because
>> the volume says how much air there is and that determines how much
>> compression there can be? And the contact patch is going to depend on
>> diameter, isn't it?
>>
>> The derivative of the contact patch with respect to what?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 6:34 PM, ted  wrote:
>>
>>> I would think we care about effective spring rate (cush) and how much
>>> additional travel is possible before getting a pinch flat. Aren't those
>>> driven by the contact patch size, its derivative, and the height of the
>>> tire? How does cross section area (or volume) drive those?
>>> Are you sure this is a diameter squared dependency?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:31:44 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>>
 It's 6% in diameter, but that makes 12% difference in volume, which is
 what we care about.


 On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deacon Patrick 
 wrote:

> That's about a 6% discrepancy, which certainly seems reasonable given
> different rim widths and tire stretch.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:52:31 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> If you order some of Jan Heine's tires, be aware of a size
>> discrepancy.
>>
>> I just got a couple of his Grand Bois tires, which are sold as 700 x
>> 32mm. I knew they were made by Panaracer, and I have used the Panaracer
>> Pasela 32mm and the Jack Brown 33mm tires, so I figured I knew what to
>> expect. When the tires arrived, they looked narrower than I expected. 
>> Then,
>> when I opened them up, they were labelled 700 x 30. Then, when I mounted
>> them on my Mavic Open Pro rims, they measured 30mm wide.
>>
>> When I asked Jan, he explained that he has a different system of
>> measurement, and according to his measurement system (mounting them on 
>> some
>> rim or other) they measure 32mm.
>>
>> So, expect the Grand Bois tires to be narrower than other tires sold
>> with the same width.
>>
>> --
>> -- Anne "Standards are good, everyone should have one" Paulson
>>
>> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My 71 cm AHH

[Joe K.]

Tom-

Love that Bomba!  Looks like a real do-it-all fun machine!  Thanks for sharing 
the pic.  

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[RBW] Re: Optimal tire pressure questions...

[ted]

Which is an "appeal to authority" and a "seems to work ok where we have 
used it". Which is fine so far as it goes, but its not much to go by for 
guessing how applicable either extrapolations of Berto's curves or the 15% 
rule of thumb are outside the domain where we have experience using them.

I hope I don't come across as to critical. I have pulled the equation for 
the regression fit of Berto's curves from the spreadsheet and like using 
it. But I suspect I would do as well (practically speaking) if I just let 
air out of the tires till they squished a good bit when I got on the bike, 
and then just rode it and adjusted for feel.

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:57:33 PM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> Originally, the 15% drop came from the tire companies to whom Frank Berto 
> talked. So Frank then just tried to figure out how to get that value.
>
> Our initial tire testing indicated that somewhere around 15% tire drop was 
> the point where performance and comfort were optimized. Since then, we 
> found that at least for supple tires, even lower pressures don't seem to 
> slow the bike down, so it matters even less.
>
> However, even today, the 15% tire drop values from the chart are a good 
> starting point for experimenting with tire pressure...
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly
> www.bikequarterly.com
>
> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:19:49 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>>
>> But I think the real question is whats so special about 15% drop. I can't 
>> recall seeing any supporting argument / evidence for it being optimal.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My 71 cm AHH

[Joe K.]

Jim-

Same situation clearance-wise for me, barely any!  But I don't think I could 
ride anything smaller now.  I have 40mm Schwalbe Marathon Supremes.  

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[RBW] Re: Hip Replacement (not much Riv content)

[Robert F. Harrison]

Rode a nice slow nine miles along the the parks on the ocean here in
Honolulu. No hills, though a bit of playing in traffic (as little as
possible).

I felt great but it was enough for today. The Hunq was the perfect bike
though: cushy ride, nothing twitchy.

Tomorrow I'll start commuting again, but no worries, it's fewer miles then
I just did (though I can always add them on the way home).

Thanks for all the good wishes. If anyone is contemplating this, get a good
surgeon and don't wait.

Aloha!

Bob
On Jun 10, 2014 10:48 AM, "Robert F. Harrison"  wrote:

> Great news. Today, six weeks after my hip replacement, I've been cleared
> to ride a real bicycle again. I've actually been on a stationary exercise
> bicycle since four days after surgery with no problem, but they didn't want
> me actually out and about until now.
>
> The first bike I'll ride will be the Hunq as it has nice fat Big Ben tires
> and gearing. I really want to hop on the Quickbeam, but am going to be
> sensible and give myself the option of gears I can change without
> dismounting.
>
> I don't expect I'll be doing any long rides (20+ miles) immediately or
> tacking major climbs, but at least I can get back to commuting and weekend
> fun.
>
> Today is the perfect day to be cleared as well. I'll get off work at 2:30
> pm, go home to do laundry (it's my weekly scheduled time) while tuning up
> the Hunq, then head out around 5:30 pm for an hour or so of ocean front
> mellow riding. Sunset is 7:13 pm tonight so I've got plenty of time.
>
> Tomorrow we'll get back to biking to work.
>
> The doctor has counseled against really long rides (his idea of this and
> mine are at odds), climbing hard, or week long touring till the end of
> summer, but that's fine, I've no big bike trips planned this year. I'm
> hopeful I can get in a couple of short camping trips locally though.
>
> I've wanted to hop on a bike and at least go around the block before this,
> but for once I followed instructions.
>
> Aloha!
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Robert F. Harrison 
> wrote:
>
>> As an owner of both a QB and Hunq (there's the riv content), I am
>> completely relieved that my left hip replacement went very well. Those of
>> you who saw me on my Bike Friday at RAGBRAI 2013 will remember I had a cane
>> with me and limped around when off the bike.
>>
>> I had anterior method surgery on Monday, went home on Wednesday, and
>> today I had my first out of hospital PT session. I am doing well enough
>> that I was allowed to get on a stationary bike just to see how I'd do. I
>> did about five minutes pedaling around 80 RPM with no pain. They had to
>> make me get off (though the soft saddle would have done that soon enough
>> anyway).
>>
>> Luckily my PT guy knows a bit about biking so he didn't argue about
>> setting the saddle high enough. I only had to ask him to move it up higher
>> twice.
>>
>> I'm not sure how long it'll be before I'm cleared to ride a real bike but
>> I don't think it'll be all that long (and I'm going to be learning how to
>> walk for a while because while I've been able to ride for the last two
>> years walking has become more and more difficult).
>>
>> That's it. I'll be back on the road soon.
>>
>> Aloha All!
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> --
>> Robert Harrison
>> Honolulu, HI
>> rfharri...@gmail.com
>> statrix.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> Honolulu, HI
> rfharri...@gmail.com
> statrix.com
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois tires, size discrepancy

[ted]

The derivate of contact patch area with respect to "drop".

I think the support force is roughly psi times contact patch area. I think 
that though the internal pressure may increase slightly that effect is 
negligible because the change in tire volume is a tiny fraction of the 
total. I think the spring rate is psi times delta area divided by delta 
drop. I think the relationships between contact patch area, tire width and 
drop are a bit complicated. I suspect spring rate dependence on width is 
closer to linear than the width squared dependence that is implied by 
assuming it varies with cross sectional area (which is what I think you are 
suggesting). So for cush I think it is closer to a linear linear dependence.

For pinch flats I think you get a linear increase in spring rate from the 
width and another linear increase in allowable deformation due to the hight 
that goes with the width. So that would suggest a scale factor squared 
dependance on that front.

My experience of late has been that I pick the pressure based on ride and 
handling. Pinch flats just haven't been a problem for me. Of course I don't 
assume that is the case for everybody.


On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:14:42 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> The effective spring rate is going to depend on volume, isn't it, because 
> the volume says how much air there is and that determines how much 
> compression there can be? And the contact patch is going to depend on 
> diameter, isn't it?
>
> The derivative of the contact patch with respect to what?
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 6:34 PM, ted > 
> wrote:
>
>> I would think we care about effective spring rate (cush) and how much 
>> additional travel is possible before getting a pinch flat. Aren't those 
>> driven by the contact patch size, its derivative, and the height of the 
>> tire? How does cross section area (or volume) drive those? 
>> Are you sure this is a diameter squared dependency?
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:31:44 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>>> It's 6% in diameter, but that makes 12% difference in volume, which is 
>>> what we care about.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deacon Patrick  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That's about a 6% discrepancy, which certainly seems reasonable given 
 different rim widths and tire stretch.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:52:31 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> If you order some of Jan Heine's tires, be aware of a size discrepancy.
>
> I just got a couple of his Grand Bois tires, which are sold as 700 x 
> 32mm. I knew they were made by Panaracer, and I have used the Panaracer 
> Pasela 32mm and the Jack Brown 33mm tires, so I figured I knew what to 
> expect. When the tires arrived, they looked narrower than I expected. 
> Then, 
> when I opened them up, they were labelled 700 x 30. Then, when I mounted 
> them on my Mavic Open Pro rims, they measured 30mm wide.
>
> When I asked Jan, he explained that he has a different system of 
> measurement, and according to his measurement system (mounting them on 
> some 
> rim or other) they measure 32mm.
>
> So, expect the Grand Bois tires to be narrower than other tires sold 
> with the same width.
>
> -- 
> -- Anne "Standards are good, everyone should have one" Paulson
>
> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 
>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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[RBW] Re: Optimal tire pressure questions...

[Jan Heine]

Originally, the 15% drop came from the tire companies to whom Frank Berto 
talked. So Frank then just tried to figure out how to get that value.

Our initial tire testing indicated that somewhere around 15% tire drop was 
the point where performance and comfort were optimized. Since then, we 
found that at least for supple tires, even lower pressures don't seem to 
slow the bike down, so it matters even less.

However, even today, the 15% tire drop values from the chart are a good 
starting point for experimenting with tire pressure...

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
www.bikequarterly.com

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:19:49 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>
> But I think the real question is whats so special about 15% drop. I can't 
> recall seeing any supporting argument / evidence for it being optimal.
>
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[RBW] Question about installation of rear fender on Roadeo

[Eric Peterson]

I am installing some SKS fenders on my Roadeo and for the rear fender I am 
puzzled by the long distance between the natural fender position and the 
threaded hole just behind the BB. 
What is the best way to span this distance?
I don't want to compromise the threaded rear fender attachment with a long 
bolt, but I see no other way to securely fasten the fender there.
Pictures and advice?

Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hip Replacement (not much Riv content)

[cyclotourist]

Yes, excellent news, Bob!

Cheers,
David

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wrote:

> Glad to hear things went well.  Here's to more miles and feeling a little
> better every day.
>
> All good thoughts your way!
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[RBW] Re: Hip Replacement (not much Riv content)

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Glad to hear things went well.  Here's to more miles and feeling a little 
better every day.  

All good thoughts your way!

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Re: [RBW] Re: 68 Quickbeam near Seattle

[cyclotourist]

Come on Ent-people, get your self an Ent-bike!!!

Cheers,
David

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On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:51 AM, art  wrote:

> It's my bike -- I appreciate the word-of-list!
>
> It's a great bike, but I don't need it and need to pay some cycling bills.
>
> Arthur S
> Tacoma
>
>
> On Monday, June 9, 2014 7:14:57 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wow, that's a rare opportunity for the tall folk. Would go great w/ the
>> 71 Homer recently discussed!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:45 PM, BSWP  wrote:
>>
>>> And sporting 175 Ritchey Logic cranks, with Velocity Dyad rims. A
>>> fantastic deal.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 9, 2014 12:31:36 PM UTC-7, rcnute wrote:

 Not mine, looks like a great deal.

 http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/bik/4512152666.html

 Ryan

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[RBW] Re: FS: Betty Foy For Sale (take two)

[Yasmeen Schuller]

Post on craigslist.org:

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bik/4513388124.html




On Monday, June 9, 2014 5:31:17 PM UTC-5, Yasmeen Schuller wrote:
>
> I have a Betty Foy I purchased in January, 2013 new from Rivendell. She's 
> an awesome bike, really beautiful but with the style of riding I do 
> (centuries, races, cx), Betty never felt quite like the right bike for me. 
> I included a bunch of pictures of her. 
>
> I rode the bike about ten times since I bought it, added fenders and 
> brooks tape to the albatross handle bars. I did the standard Rivendell 
> build for the bike. The saddle, water bottle cage, and pedals are not 
> included with the bike. The bike is kept in the condo, carefully on a rack 
> and I am located in Chicago. If the bike needs to be shipped, that will be 
> an additional cost as I will have a bike shop carefully pack the bike for 
> shipment. 
>
> Please feel free to ask any questions. As I mentioned, she's nearly new, 
> barely ridden. We are a bit tight on bike space in the condo so I am 
> needing to sell Betty.
>
> $2,000 or best offer
> (price reduced)
>
> 55cm (650B) PBH range 77cm - 84cm
> From the Rivendell site information about sizing for 55cm:
> TYPICAL RIDER HEIGHTS: women 5'3 1/2 to 5'6 1/2, men 5'4" to 5' 7". 
> PBH 77.5 to 86cm 
> SADDLE HEIGHT 66.5cm to 75cm.
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-foy.htm
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois tires, size discrepancy

[Anne Paulson]

The effective spring rate is going to depend on volume, isn't it, because
the volume says how much air there is and that determines how much
compression there can be? And the contact patch is going to depend on
diameter, isn't it?

The derivative of the contact patch with respect to what?


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 6:34 PM, ted  wrote:

> I would think we care about effective spring rate (cush) and how much
> additional travel is possible before getting a pinch flat. Aren't those
> driven by the contact patch size, its derivative, and the height of the
> tire? How does cross section area (or volume) drive those?
> Are you sure this is a diameter squared dependency?
>
> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:31:44 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
>> It's 6% in diameter, but that makes 12% difference in volume, which is
>> what we care about.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> That's about a 6% discrepancy, which certainly seems reasonable given
>>> different rim widths and tire stretch.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:52:31 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:

 If you order some of Jan Heine's tires, be aware of a size discrepancy.

 I just got a couple of his Grand Bois tires, which are sold as 700 x
 32mm. I knew they were made by Panaracer, and I have used the Panaracer
 Pasela 32mm and the Jack Brown 33mm tires, so I figured I knew what to
 expect. When the tires arrived, they looked narrower than I expected. Then,
 when I opened them up, they were labelled 700 x 30. Then, when I mounted
 them on my Mavic Open Pro rims, they measured 30mm wide.

 When I asked Jan, he explained that he has a different system of
 measurement, and according to his measurement system (mounting them on some
 rim or other) they measure 32mm.

 So, expect the Grand Bois tires to be narrower than other tires sold
 with the same width.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois tires, size discrepancy

[ted]

I would think we care about effective spring rate (cush) and how much 
additional travel is possible before getting a pinch flat. Aren't those 
driven by the contact patch size, its derivative, and the height of the 
tire? How does cross section area (or volume) drive those? 
Are you sure this is a diameter squared dependency?

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:31:44 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> It's 6% in diameter, but that makes 12% difference in volume, which is 
> what we care about.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> That's about a 6% discrepancy, which certainly seems reasonable given 
>> different rim widths and tire stretch.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:52:31 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>>
>>> If you order some of Jan Heine's tires, be aware of a size discrepancy.
>>>
>>> I just got a couple of his Grand Bois tires, which are sold as 700 x 
>>> 32mm. I knew they were made by Panaracer, and I have used the Panaracer 
>>> Pasela 32mm and the Jack Brown 33mm tires, so I figured I knew what to 
>>> expect. When the tires arrived, they looked narrower than I expected. Then, 
>>> when I opened them up, they were labelled 700 x 30. Then, when I mounted 
>>> them on my Mavic Open Pro rims, they measured 30mm wide.
>>>
>>> When I asked Jan, he explained that he has a different system of 
>>> measurement, and according to his measurement system (mounting them on some 
>>> rim or other) they measure 32mm.
>>>
>>> So, expect the Grand Bois tires to be narrower than other tires sold 
>>> with the same width.
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>>
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>>>
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[RBW] FS: Woolies

[bo richardson]

hi emily
can you send me a contact option
and i will forward you offer to a friend who might be interested

thanks 
bo in bellingham
bo@ islandnetworks.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois tires, size discrepancy

[Anne Paulson]

The first few hundred miles is just what these tires will be getting real
soon now.  I'm off on a 600+ mile sagged trip across California starting
Thursday. I expect they'll be everything everyone says about them.


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Joe Broach  wrote:

> Hi Anne,
>
> Also keep in mind that tires (it SEEMS like especially light, supple ones)
> grow in width over the first couple hundred miles. Don't be surprised if
> the GBs relax out to 32 or close after some riding.
>
> Best,
> joe broach
> portland, or
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Anne Paulson 
> wrote:
>
>> It's 6% in diameter, but that makes 12% difference in volume, which is
>> what we care about.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deacon Patrick 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's about a 6% discrepancy, which certainly seems reasonable given
>>> different rim widths and tire stretch.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:52:31 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:

 If you order some of Jan Heine's tires, be aware of a size discrepancy.

 I just got a couple of his Grand Bois tires, which are sold as 700 x
 32mm. I knew they were made by Panaracer, and I have used the Panaracer
 Pasela 32mm and the Jack Brown 33mm tires, so I figured I knew what to
 expect. When the tires arrived, they looked narrower than I expected. Then,
 when I opened them up, they were labelled 700 x 30. Then, when I mounted
 them on my Mavic Open Pro rims, they measured 30mm wide.

 When I asked Jan, he explained that he has a different system of
 measurement, and according to his measurement system (mounting them on some
 rim or other) they measure 32mm.

 So, expect the Grand Bois tires to be narrower than other tires sold
 with the same width.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois tires, size discrepancy

[Deacon Patrick]

Try inflating them to max pressure for a night or a few days and see where 
there are.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 6:31:44 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> It's 6% in diameter, but that makes 12% difference in volume, which is 
> what we care about.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> That's about a 6% discrepancy, which certainly seems reasonable given 
>> different rim widths and tire stretch.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:52:31 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>>
>>> If you order some of Jan Heine's tires, be aware of a size discrepancy.
>>>
>>> I just got a couple of his Grand Bois tires, which are sold as 700 x 
>>> 32mm. I knew they were made by Panaracer, and I have used the Panaracer 
>>> Pasela 32mm and the Jack Brown 33mm tires, so I figured I knew what to 
>>> expect. When the tires arrived, they looked narrower than I expected. Then, 
>>> when I opened them up, they were labelled 700 x 30. Then, when I mounted 
>>> them on my Mavic Open Pro rims, they measured 30mm wide.
>>>
>>> When I asked Jan, he explained that he has a different system of 
>>> measurement, and according to his measurement system (mounting them on some 
>>> rim or other) they measure 32mm.
>>>
>>> So, expect the Grand Bois tires to be narrower than other tires sold 
>>> with the same width.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> -- Anne "Standards are good, everyone should have one" Paulson
>>>
>>> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois tires, size discrepancy

[Joe Broach]

Hi Anne,

Also keep in mind that tires (it SEEMS like especially light, supple ones)
grow in width over the first couple hundred miles. Don't be surprised if
the GBs relax out to 32 or close after some riding.

Best,
joe broach
portland, or


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Anne Paulson 
wrote:

> It's 6% in diameter, but that makes 12% difference in volume, which is
> what we care about.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> wrote:
>
>> That's about a 6% discrepancy, which certainly seems reasonable given
>> different rim widths and tire stretch.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:52:31 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>>
>>> If you order some of Jan Heine's tires, be aware of a size discrepancy.
>>>
>>> I just got a couple of his Grand Bois tires, which are sold as 700 x
>>> 32mm. I knew they were made by Panaracer, and I have used the Panaracer
>>> Pasela 32mm and the Jack Brown 33mm tires, so I figured I knew what to
>>> expect. When the tires arrived, they looked narrower than I expected. Then,
>>> when I opened them up, they were labelled 700 x 30. Then, when I mounted
>>> them on my Mavic Open Pro rims, they measured 30mm wide.
>>>
>>> When I asked Jan, he explained that he has a different system of
>>> measurement, and according to his measurement system (mounting them on some
>>> rim or other) they measure 32mm.
>>>
>>> So, expect the Grand Bois tires to be narrower than other tires sold
>>> with the same width.
>>>
>>> --
>>> -- Anne "Standards are good, everyone should have one" Paulson
>>>
>>> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois tires, size discrepancy

[Anne Paulson]

It's 6% in diameter, but that makes 12% difference in volume, which is what
we care about.


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> That's about a 6% discrepancy, which certainly seems reasonable given
> different rim widths and tire stretch.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:52:31 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> If you order some of Jan Heine's tires, be aware of a size discrepancy.
>>
>> I just got a couple of his Grand Bois tires, which are sold as 700 x
>> 32mm. I knew they were made by Panaracer, and I have used the Panaracer
>> Pasela 32mm and the Jack Brown 33mm tires, so I figured I knew what to
>> expect. When the tires arrived, they looked narrower than I expected. Then,
>> when I opened them up, they were labelled 700 x 30. Then, when I mounted
>> them on my Mavic Open Pro rims, they measured 30mm wide.
>>
>> When I asked Jan, he explained that he has a different system of
>> measurement, and according to his measurement system (mounting them on some
>> rim or other) they measure 32mm.
>>
>> So, expect the Grand Bois tires to be narrower than other tires sold with
>> the same width.
>>
>> --
>> -- Anne "Standards are good, everyone should have one" Paulson
>>
>> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Grand Bois tires, size discrepancy

[Deacon Patrick]

That's about a 6% discrepancy, which certainly seems reasonable given 
different rim widths and tire stretch.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:52:31 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> If you order some of Jan Heine's tires, be aware of a size discrepancy.
>
> I just got a couple of his Grand Bois tires, which are sold as 700 x 32mm. 
> I knew they were made by Panaracer, and I have used the Panaracer Pasela 
> 32mm and the Jack Brown 33mm tires, so I figured I knew what to expect. 
> When the tires arrived, they looked narrower than I expected. Then, when I 
> opened them up, they were labelled 700 x 30. Then, when I mounted them on 
> my Mavic Open Pro rims, they measured 30mm wide.
>
> When I asked Jan, he explained that he has a different system of 
> measurement, and according to his measurement system (mounting them on some 
> rim or other) they measure 32mm.
>
> So, expect the Grand Bois tires to be narrower than other tires sold with 
> the same width.
>
> -- 
> -- Anne "Standards are good, everyone should have one" Paulson
>
> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Grand Bois tires, size discrepancy

[Garth]

All Tires measure differently on different rims. Open Pro rims are only 
19.5mm wide, whereas the Compass Grand Bois rims , which are likely what is 
used to measure them, is 23mm. That difference will make the same tire 
appear to be different widths . 

Also, how one is measuring the tire varies. Just because one is using 
digital calipers does not mean another person using the same calipers will 
measure it the exact same way. 

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[RBW] Re: Hip Replacement (not much Riv content)

[dougP]

Yet another example of Rivendell versatility.  A Hunq with Big Bens for hip 
re-hab, perfect.  Comfy, cushy, stable.  Congrats on getting clearance to 
ride a real bike.  I know all too well how the medical world has difficulty 
relating to patients who have a serious cycling addiction.  Exercise really 
helps the healing process, both mentally & physically.

dougP

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 1:48:59 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:
>
> Great news. Today, six weeks after my hip replacement, I've been cleared 
> to ride a real bicycle again. I've actually been on a stationary exercise 
> bicycle since four days after surgery with no problem, but they didn't want 
> me actually out and about until now. 
>
> The first bike I'll ride will be the Hunq as it has nice fat Big Ben tires 
> and gearing. I really want to hop on the Quickbeam, but am going to be 
> sensible and give myself the option of gears I can change without 
> dismounting. 
>
> I don't expect I'll be doing any long rides (20+ miles) immediately or 
> tacking major climbs, but at least I can get back to commuting and weekend 
> fun.
>
> Today is the perfect day to be cleared as well. I'll get off work at 2:30 
> pm, go home to do laundry (it's my weekly scheduled time) while tuning up 
> the Hunq, then head out around 5:30 pm for an hour or so of ocean front 
> mellow riding. Sunset is 7:13 pm tonight so I've got plenty of time. 
>
> Tomorrow we'll get back to biking to work.
>
> The doctor has counseled against really long rides (his idea of this and 
> mine are at odds), climbing hard, or week long touring till the end of 
> summer, but that's fine, I've no big bike trips planned this year. I'm 
> hopeful I can get in a couple of short camping trips locally though.
>
> I've wanted to hop on a bike and at least go around the block before this, 
> but for once I followed instructions. 
>
> Aloha!
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Robert F. Harrison  > wrote:
>
>> As an owner of both a QB and Hunq (there's the riv content), I am 
>> completely relieved that my left hip replacement went very well. Those of 
>> you who saw me on my Bike Friday at RAGBRAI 2013 will remember I had a cane 
>> with me and limped around when off the bike.
>>
>> I had anterior method surgery on Monday, went home on Wednesday, and 
>> today I had my first out of hospital PT session. I am doing well enough 
>> that I was allowed to get on a stationary bike just to see how I'd do. I 
>> did about five minutes pedaling around 80 RPM with no pain. They had to 
>> make me get off (though the soft saddle would have done that soon enough 
>> anyway). 
>>
>> Luckily my PT guy knows a bit about biking so he didn't argue about 
>> setting the saddle high enough. I only had to ask him to move it up higher 
>> twice. 
>>
>> I'm not sure how long it'll be before I'm cleared to ride a real bike but 
>> I don't think it'll be all that long (and I'm going to be learning how to 
>> walk for a while because while I've been able to ride for the last two 
>> years walking has become more and more difficult).
>>
>> That's it. I'll be back on the road soon.
>>
>> Aloha All!
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> -- 
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>> Honolulu, HI
>> rfhar...@gmail.com 
>> statrix.com
>>  
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Optimal tire pressure questions...

[ted]

Though some sort of fixture is likely needed I doubt it would be all that 
hard to rig up something adequate. Certainly measuring tire drop would be 
less trouble than the roll down testing you have done. But I think the real 
question is whats so special about 15% drop. I can't recall seeing any 
supporting argument / evidence for it being optimal.

On Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:47:57 PM UTC-8, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> On Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:48:46 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>  
>
>> Maybe this summer we could have a crowd-sourced internet tire drop 
>> measuring party... Lots of 40+ mm tires on this list, and lots of careful 
>> people. 
>>
>>  Measuring tire drop isn't easy. Berto built a big device to do it. I 
> think it could be simplified, but it's not something you can do with just 
> your bike and a ruler...
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly
> www.bikequarterly.com
>
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Re: [RBW] Grand Bois tires, size discrepancy

[Tim Gavin]

I have Grand Bois tires on two of my bikes, and they measure closer to the
widths they're listed as on the Compass site.

My Cerf Blue tires measure at 26 mm on Open Pros (as listed), which is good
because my Giordana can't fit a 700 x 28.

The Lierre tires even have 650 x 36 molded into the gumwall, but they
measure closer to 38 mm on Synergy rims on my Riv.

The tires may stretch a bit as you wear them in, and reach the full 32 mm
width.

Your narrower rim may factor in as well.  Open Pro rims are 15 mm wide,
whereas the Grand Bois rims 23 mm wide, same as Synergy rims.

I appreciate that the measurement's on the Compass website are pretty
accurate, because it allowed me to fit the fattest tires possible in my
reach-limited frames.

And I greatly appreciate the ride and speed of the Grand Bois tires!


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Anne Paulson 
wrote:

> If you order some of Jan Heine's tires, be aware of a size discrepancy.
>
> I just got a couple of his Grand Bois tires, which are sold as 700 x 32mm.
> I knew they were made by Panaracer, and I have used the Panaracer Pasela
> 32mm and the Jack Brown 33mm tires, so I figured I knew what to expect.
> When the tires arrived, they looked narrower than I expected. Then, when I
> opened them up, they were labelled 700 x 30. Then, when I mounted them on
> my Mavic Open Pro rims, they measured 30mm wide.
>
> When I asked Jan, he explained that he has a different system of
> measurement, and according to his measurement system (mounting them on some
> rim or other) they measure 32mm.
>
> So, expect the Grand Bois tires to be narrower than other tires sold with
> the same width.
>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Grand Bois tires, size discrepancy

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/10/2014 06:52 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:

If you order some of Jan Heine's tires, be aware of a size discrepancy.

I just got a couple of his Grand Bois tires, which are sold as 700 x 
32mm. I knew they were made by Panaracer, and I have used the 
Panaracer Pasela 32mm and the Jack Brown 33mm tires, so I figured I 
knew what to expect. When the tires arrived, they looked narrower than 
I expected. Then, when I opened them up, they were labelled 700 x 30. 
Then, when I mounted them on my Mavic Open Pro rims, they measured 
30mm wide.


When I asked Jan, he explained that he has a different system of 
measurement, and according to his measurement system (mounting them on 
some rim or other) they measure 32mm.


So, expect the Grand Bois tires to be narrower than other tires sold 
with the same width.


Curiously, on my bike the 700x30 Grand Bois Cypres is about 1.5% larger 
than the new-style 700x32 Pasela.  (The old-style raised-rib Pasela 32mm 
is narrower than a Parigi-Roubaix 27mm on the same rim.)





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[RBW] Grand Bois tires, size discrepancy

[Anne Paulson]

If you order some of Jan Heine's tires, be aware of a size discrepancy.

I just got a couple of his Grand Bois tires, which are sold as 700 x 32mm.
I knew they were made by Panaracer, and I have used the Panaracer Pasela
32mm and the Jack Brown 33mm tires, so I figured I knew what to expect.
When the tires arrived, they looked narrower than I expected. Then, when I
opened them up, they were labelled 700 x 30. Then, when I mounted them on
my Mavic Open Pro rims, they measured 30mm wide.

When I asked Jan, he explained that he has a different system of
measurement, and according to his measurement system (mounting them on some
rim or other) they measure 32mm.

So, expect the Grand Bois tires to be narrower than other tires sold with
the same width.

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[RBW] Re: First ride on the Atlantis!

[Ryan]

Looks great! let us know how the shakedown goesand of course post pics 
of the finished bikeRyan in Wpg
On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 9:36:29 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote: 
>
> Finally finished this up at 1am last night so I could ride to work today! 
> It's still missing some Velo Orange fenders and King Iris cages, but they 
> will be in later this week. 
>
> For those keeping track, I managed to get the White Industries cranks 
> mounted with a 118mm BB and 44x30 chain rings. I've got about 2-3mm 
> clearance at the chain ring bolts, and more at the rings, so a smaller 
> inner ring would allow for an even shorter spindle.
>
> I'll share some more detailed photos once the fenders are on, and this 
> weekend I'm taking it on a 100km s24o to give it a proper shakedown. I may 
> have only ridden it 5km so far, but I LOVE IT!
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/14204496230/in/photostream/
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[RBW] FS: Woolies

[Emily]

Good afternoon folks - I'm clearing out some woolen wearables this week. 
They're all in good to darn good condition--one has a little fading, but I 
don't think there are any holes, etc in any of them. A brief description of 
each follows; please feel welcome to email me off-list. Pics coming soon. 
Paypal; shipping will be a little extra: I'm in Alexandria, VA.

cheers!
Emily


*Four Fine Woolies:*

   - *Medium Sleeveless - $28*
  - lightweight
  - bluebird blue, slight fading
  - New Zealand wool
   - *XL Longsleeve 1/4-zip mock turtle neck - $55*
  - mid/lightweight
  - grassy green
  - has thumb loops
  - New Zealand wool
   - *Medium Longsleeve - $33*
  - mid/thickweight
  - basic + good
  - wine red
  - Aussie Marino Skins
   - *Small Longsleeve - $45*
  - lightweight
  - v. good condition, but no thumb loops
  - bluebird
  - New Zealand wool
   

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[RBW] Old Steel

[Michael Hechmer]

I know there was a recent post about '60s  & '70s bikes, and I don't want 
to belabor some fine points, but

I took my '84 Trek 620 ( built from Reynolds 531C) out today for the first 
time since bringing it back from Ca. last Nov.  What a joy!  I used this as 
a commuter  for many years but in retirement it has reemerged as a 650B 
travel & go fast bike, with pari-moto tires.  Great road manners, a 
 beautiful blend of stability and agility,  comfort and speed. Pretty much 
the same geo as my Ram. 

Early on in this ride I encountered a small dog at the bottom of a hill, 
but easily accelerated away from it.  Later I needed to jump into a left 
hand lane to get around an interstate entrance.  Easy, just get on the 
wheel of a pickup and go.

Sweet,
Michael

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[RBW] Re: Hip Replacement (not much Riv content)

[Michael Hechmer]

Terrific.  I know I get well testy, when I can't ride for awhile. 
 Enjoy the moment.

Your post reminds me of a funny story.  I was a hospital chaplain for 13 
years as well as a pretty well known biker in Vermont.  A friend, and owner 
of  quality bike sop was in a serious bicycling accident and taken to the 
ER, where he was told he needed immediate surgery on his hip.  Asked if he 
would like to call is wife he replied, "Hell no, she's no good at surgery, 
call Claude (Dr. Nichols, head of orthopedic surgery).  He's fine now.

michael

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:48:59 PM UTC-4, Statrixbob wrote:
>
> Great news. Today, six weeks after my hip replacement, I've been cleared 
> to ride a real bicycle again. I've actually been on a stationary exercise 
> bicycle since four days after surgery with no problem, but they didn't want 
> me actually out and about until now. 
>
> The first bike I'll ride will be the Hunq as it has nice fat Big Ben tires 
> and gearing. I really want to hop on the Quickbeam, but am going to be 
> sensible and give myself the option of gears I can change without 
> dismounting. 
>
> I don't expect I'll be doing any long rides (20+ miles) immediately or 
> tacking major climbs, but at least I can get back to commuting and weekend 
> fun.
>
> Today is the perfect day to be cleared as well. I'll get off work at 2:30 
> pm, go home to do laundry (it's my weekly scheduled time) while tuning up 
> the Hunq, then head out around 5:30 pm for an hour or so of ocean front 
> mellow riding. Sunset is 7:13 pm tonight so I've got plenty of time. 
>
> Tomorrow we'll get back to biking to work.
>
> The doctor has counseled against really long rides (his idea of this and 
> mine are at odds), climbing hard, or week long touring till the end of 
> summer, but that's fine, I've no big bike trips planned this year. I'm 
> hopeful I can get in a couple of short camping trips locally though.
>
> I've wanted to hop on a bike and at least go around the block before this, 
> but for once I followed instructions. 
>
> Aloha!
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Robert F. Harrison  > wrote:
>
>> As an owner of both a QB and Hunq (there's the riv content), I am 
>> completely relieved that my left hip replacement went very well. Those of 
>> you who saw me on my Bike Friday at RAGBRAI 2013 will remember I had a cane 
>> with me and limped around when off the bike.
>>
>> I had anterior method surgery on Monday, went home on Wednesday, and 
>> today I had my first out of hospital PT session. I am doing well enough 
>> that I was allowed to get on a stationary bike just to see how I'd do. I 
>> did about five minutes pedaling around 80 RPM with no pain. They had to 
>> make me get off (though the soft saddle would have done that soon enough 
>> anyway). 
>>
>> Luckily my PT guy knows a bit about biking so he didn't argue about 
>> setting the saddle high enough. I only had to ask him to move it up higher 
>> twice. 
>>
>> I'm not sure how long it'll be before I'm cleared to ride a real bike but 
>> I don't think it'll be all that long (and I'm going to be learning how to 
>> walk for a while because while I've been able to ride for the last two 
>> years walking has become more and more difficult).
>>
>> That's it. I'll be back on the road soon.
>>
>> Aloha All!
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> -- 
>> Robert Harrison
>> Honolulu, HI
>> rfhar...@gmail.com 
>> statrix.com
>>  
>
>
>
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> Honolulu, HI
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> statrix.com
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Re: [RBW] synergy rims (again?)

[Bruce Herbitter]

I don't have as many miles as my downstate neighbor, MobileBill, but I just
went and looked and cannot find a single crack on either of my OC synergy
rear wheels. One has about 11,000 miles and the other about 5,000. Starting
to get a little brake pad wear, but not enough to merit any action on my
part.

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> OBTW, the warranty form is here:
> http://www.velocityusa.com/about/warranty/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jim Bronson  > wrote:
>
>> Yes, I noticed that just after I sent my last email on this topic that I
>> got an email from Velocity's customer service department.  They are
>> proposing that I send them the wheel and they will rebuild it with an Atlas
>> rim.  I'm happy with this proposal.  Bit of a heavy rim but probably
>> appropriate considering my weight and my usage profile.  It's also polished
>> and sure looks super shiny.  I like shiny bits on my bike.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:51 AM, Steve Palincsar > > wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/09/2014 11:50 PM, Nanga Parbat wrote:
>>>
 That is scary. I just ordered a set of synergy rims for a new build. I
 would suggest advising the wheel builder and then contacting Velocity.
 I think Velocity would want to clear up your case quickly, especially
 being your second OC rim. Good customer service would only benefit Velocity
 and this group should be on their radar.


>>> Velocity's customer service on this issue in the past has been
>>> outstanding.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Saddlebag strap failing after 2 rides

[hsmitham]

+2 for using a round file.

~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: Saddlebag strap failing after 2 rides

[Liesl]

I'm with Patrick and would suspect a rough spot on the saddle loop.  We 
have a couple Carradice Barleys at my house that have seen lots of service 
(and overstuffing) and no strap failure.  Good luck.  Liesl

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[RBW] Re: Hip Replacement (not much Riv content)

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic, Bob! Enjoy being back on the bike!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 2:48:59 PM UTC-6, Statrixbob wrote:
>
> Great news. Today, six weeks after my hip replacement, I've been cleared 
> to ride a real bicycle again. I've actually been on a stationary exercise 
> bicycle since four days after surgery with no problem, but they didn't want 
> me actually out and about until now. 
>
> The first bike I'll ride will be the Hunq as it has nice fat Big Ben tires 
> and gearing. I really want to hop on the Quickbeam, but am going to be 
> sensible and give myself the option of gears I can change without 
> dismounting. 
>
> I don't expect I'll be doing any long rides (20+ miles) immediately or 
> tacking major climbs, but at least I can get back to commuting and weekend 
> fun.
>
> Today is the perfect day to be cleared as well. I'll get off work at 2:30 
> pm, go home to do laundry (it's my weekly scheduled time) while tuning up 
> the Hunq, then head out around 5:30 pm for an hour or so of ocean front 
> mellow riding. Sunset is 7:13 pm tonight so I've got plenty of time. 
>
> Tomorrow we'll get back to biking to work.
>
> The doctor has counseled against really long rides (his idea of this and 
> mine are at odds), climbing hard, or week long touring till the end of 
> summer, but that's fine, I've no big bike trips planned this year. I'm 
> hopeful I can get in a couple of short camping trips locally though.
>
> I've wanted to hop on a bike and at least go around the block before this, 
> but for once I followed instructions. 
>
> Aloha!
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Robert F. Harrison  > wrote:
>
>> As an owner of both a QB and Hunq (there's the riv content), I am 
>> completely relieved that my left hip replacement went very well. Those of 
>> you who saw me on my Bike Friday at RAGBRAI 2013 will remember I had a cane 
>> with me and limped around when off the bike.
>>
>> I had anterior method surgery on Monday, went home on Wednesday, and 
>> today I had my first out of hospital PT session. I am doing well enough 
>> that I was allowed to get on a stationary bike just to see how I'd do. I 
>> did about five minutes pedaling around 80 RPM with no pain. They had to 
>> make me get off (though the soft saddle would have done that soon enough 
>> anyway). 
>>
>> Luckily my PT guy knows a bit about biking so he didn't argue about 
>> setting the saddle high enough. I only had to ask him to move it up higher 
>> twice. 
>>
>> I'm not sure how long it'll be before I'm cleared to ride a real bike but 
>> I don't think it'll be all that long (and I'm going to be learning how to 
>> walk for a while because while I've been able to ride for the last two 
>> years walking has become more and more difficult).
>>
>> That's it. I'll be back on the road soon.
>>
>> Aloha All!
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> -- 
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>> Honolulu, HI
>> rfhar...@gmail.com 
>> statrix.com
>>  
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Hip Replacement (not much Riv content)

[Robert F. Harrison]

Great news. Today, six weeks after my hip replacement, I've been cleared to
ride a real bicycle again. I've actually been on a stationary exercise
bicycle since four days after surgery with no problem, but they didn't want
me actually out and about until now.

The first bike I'll ride will be the Hunq as it has nice fat Big Ben tires
and gearing. I really want to hop on the Quickbeam, but am going to be
sensible and give myself the option of gears I can change without
dismounting.

I don't expect I'll be doing any long rides (20+ miles) immediately or
tacking major climbs, but at least I can get back to commuting and weekend
fun.

Today is the perfect day to be cleared as well. I'll get off work at 2:30
pm, go home to do laundry (it's my weekly scheduled time) while tuning up
the Hunq, then head out around 5:30 pm for an hour or so of ocean front
mellow riding. Sunset is 7:13 pm tonight so I've got plenty of time.

Tomorrow we'll get back to biking to work.

The doctor has counseled against really long rides (his idea of this and
mine are at odds), climbing hard, or week long touring till the end of
summer, but that's fine, I've no big bike trips planned this year. I'm
hopeful I can get in a couple of short camping trips locally though.

I've wanted to hop on a bike and at least go around the block before this,
but for once I followed instructions.

Aloha!

Bob


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Robert F. Harrison 
wrote:

> As an owner of both a QB and Hunq (there's the riv content), I am
> completely relieved that my left hip replacement went very well. Those of
> you who saw me on my Bike Friday at RAGBRAI 2013 will remember I had a cane
> with me and limped around when off the bike.
>
> I had anterior method surgery on Monday, went home on Wednesday, and today
> I had my first out of hospital PT session. I am doing well enough that I
> was allowed to get on a stationary bike just to see how I'd do. I did about
> five minutes pedaling around 80 RPM with no pain. They had to make me get
> off (though the soft saddle would have done that soon enough anyway).
>
> Luckily my PT guy knows a bit about biking so he didn't argue about
> setting the saddle high enough. I only had to ask him to move it up higher
> twice.
>
> I'm not sure how long it'll be before I'm cleared to ride a real bike but
> I don't think it'll be all that long (and I'm going to be learning how to
> walk for a while because while I've been able to ride for the last two
> years walking has become more and more difficult).
>
> That's it. I'll be back on the road soon.
>
> Aloha All!
>
> Bob
>
> --
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> Honolulu, HI
> rfharri...@gmail.com
> statrix.com
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[RBW] FS or Trade: VO Rear Constructeur Rack

[Michael Hechmer]

This rack was mounted on my Saluki a year and a half ago but never used, 
since I much prefer my Barley & SQR combo.
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/vo-constructeur-rear-rack.html

$55 shipped CONUS or work out a swap for a Nitto Mini Front Rack
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r2.htm

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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn Bags, Brooks, IRD, Mavic, Minnehana, Phil Wood, VO

[Curtis Schmitt]

*The following are spoken for:*
•Acorn Bags Tool Roll Bag, Olive
•VO Pass Hunter Front Rack with Integrated Decaleur

*The following is still available:*
•Acorn Bags Large Saddlebag, Olive -- *$110* + s/h (incl. leather lashing
straps worth +*$12*)
•Brooks Land's End Panniers, Pair -- *$230* + s/h
•Brooks Titanium Swallow, Honey -- *$230* + s/h
•Brooks Flyer Special, Brown, Copper Rivets -- *$120* + s/h
•Minnehana "Medium" Saddlebag -- it's actually larger than the Acorn --
*$45* + s/h
•Phil Wood Track Hubs / Mavic Open Pro Wheelset + IRD CNC Freewheel --
*$340* + s/h



On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Curtis Schmitt 
wrote:

> *If any of my prices are out-of-line please don't hesitate to let me know:*
> •Acorn Bags Large Saddlebag, Olive -- *$110* + s/h (incl. leather lashing
> straps)
> •Acorn Bags Tool Roll Bag, Olive -- *$50* + s/h
> •Brooks Land's End Panniers, Pair -- *$230* + s/h
> •Brooks Flyer Special, Brown w/ Copper Rivets -- *$120* + s/h
> •Brooks Ti Swallow, Honey -- *$230* + s/h
> •Minnehana "Medium" Saddlebag -- it's actually larger than the Acorn --
> *$45* + s/h
> •Phil Wood Track Hubs / Mavic Open Pro Wheelset + IRD CNC Freewheel --
> *$340* + s/h
> •VO Pass Hunter Front Rack with Integrated Decaleur -- *$75* + s/h
>
> Please email me directly for pics of what you're interested in.
>
> Thanks,
> Curtis
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Re: [RBW] Re: synergy rims (again?)

[Jim Bronson]

OBTW, the warranty form is here:
http://www.velocityusa.com/about/warranty/



On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> Yes, I noticed that just after I sent my last email on this topic that I
> got an email from Velocity's customer service department.  They are
> proposing that I send them the wheel and they will rebuild it with an Atlas
> rim.  I'm happy with this proposal.  Bit of a heavy rim but probably
> appropriate considering my weight and my usage profile.  It's also polished
> and sure looks super shiny.  I like shiny bits on my bike.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:51 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>> On 06/09/2014 11:50 PM, Nanga Parbat wrote:
>>
>>> That is scary. I just ordered a set of synergy rims for a new build. I
>>> would suggest advising the wheel builder and then contacting Velocity.
>>> I think Velocity would want to clear up your case quickly, especially
>>> being your second OC rim. Good customer service would only benefit Velocity
>>> and this group should be on their radar.
>>>
>>>
>> Velocity's customer service on this issue in the past has been
>> outstanding.
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Re: [RBW] Re: synergy rims (again?)

[Jim Bronson]

Yes, I noticed that just after I sent my last email on this topic that I
got an email from Velocity's customer service department.  They are
proposing that I send them the wheel and they will rebuild it with an Atlas
rim.  I'm happy with this proposal.  Bit of a heavy rim but probably
appropriate considering my weight and my usage profile.  It's also polished
and sure looks super shiny.  I like shiny bits on my bike.


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:51 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On 06/09/2014 11:50 PM, Nanga Parbat wrote:
>
>> That is scary. I just ordered a set of synergy rims for a new build. I
>> would suggest advising the wheel builder and then contacting Velocity.
>> I think Velocity would want to clear up your case quickly, especially
>> being your second OC rim. Good customer service would only benefit Velocity
>> and this group should be on their radar.
>>
>>
> Velocity's customer service on this issue in the past has been outstanding.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: synergy rims (again?)

[Jim Bronson]

My Synergy rear non-oc was the same, I've got cracking around 5 of the
eyelets and even though the rim runs perfectly straight and true and seems
in no danger of immanent failure, I just couldn't stand the noise anymore.
I was riding a 102K permanent through some very exclusive neighborhoods on
Sunday afternoon and it seemed like people in their yards noticed I was
coming by the creaking noises that accompanied me.  Embarrasing.

I just had another 650b wheel built for a different bike that I've now put
on my Rivendell so I can ride it without the noise.  I was still waiting on
the front hub for the other bike anyway so it's ok for now.

Trying to decide what to replace it with - obviously not another Synergy.
Not sure if I will use the same hub, it's 32h and I am 260 lbs or so.
There are some 650b Dyads floating around in 32 and 36h.  Velocity also
makes the Atlas in polished silver in 32 and 36h.  And Pacenti now makes
the SL23 in silver, so that might be an option.  It's got more of an aero
profile though which I think is a bit ugly.  That being said the DeepV has
always worked pretty well for me and it's got a similar profile.


On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:16 PM, MobileBill  wrote:

> To clarify, I did change out the wheel, and the creaking stopped, so it's
> not the bb. Put the wheel back on, and it started again. Rear hub is smooth
> as glass. There are two cracks at least, still small but noticeable. And
> the noise is alarming. I'm guessing the two are related, and your friend's
> experience indicates that it is.
>
>
> On Monday, June 9, 2014 10:59:31 PM UTC-5, IanA wrote:
>>
>> In terms of the creaking, it would be a good idea to find out exactly
>> what is the cause.  If you could try a different wheel on the back and if
>> the creaking is still there, it could be bottom bracket related, or a pedal
>> or the saddle or any number of things.  It can be difficult to find the
>> cause of a creak, squeak or rattle, but some investigation is certainly
>> necessary as damage to threads could occur if the creaking is at the bottom
>> bracket, for example.  That us to say if the BB has partially un-threaded
>> itself.
>>
>> Cracks in a wheel can also make a creaking sound, but they should be
>> reasonably easy to spot.  Look for hairline cracks starting at the spoke
>> hole or eyelet on the rim. A friend of mine rode a rim with cracks in it
>> for some distance (a few weeks while touring) and it didn't cause problems,
>> but he described the noises as alarming.
>>
>> If the problem is the rim itself, assuming the wheel-builder sourced the
>> rim for you, he should be able to sort out any warranty stuff.  Velocity
>> have a good reputation for customer service, so it's worth following up.
>>
>> IanA.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 9, 2014 8:21:06 PM UTC-6, MobileBill wrote:
>>>
>>> I say this recognizing that I might be jumping to conclusions, but I
>>> seem to have once again had problems with Synergy OC 650B rims. Since so
>>> many of you have them, I'm asking you to help my analyze whether the
>>> problem is the rim or something else.
>>> Here's the issue: A really severe creaking has been rattling through
>>> the frame and getting worse for some months. I mean howling loud - you
>>> could hear me creaking from a block away. It was worse when I turned the
>>> pedals, but it made some noise all the time. I changed saddles, retightened
>>> bb and chainrings and pedals, reset cassette and checked rear hub and
>>> finally got the bright idea of changing out the wheel.
>>> As soon as I did, the noise stopped. Now I'm looking at the rim, and
>>> I see the same hairline cracks developing around the eyelets that I had
>>> developing with my first synergy oc rim several years ago.
>>> This relatively new rim, a replacement for the first cracked synergy
>>> oc rim, only has a little over 2000 miles on it. It was built by one of the
>>> best wheelbuilders. I thought that the early problems with oc rims had been
>>> fixed.
>>>  I don't think it's just me: I weigh 180 pounds and inflate Schwalbe
>>> marathons to no more than 60 psi. I carry groceries home on my commute, and
>>> travel occasionally rough city streets, but do not ride this bike off road
>>> (though I would like to if the danged rims could be trusted).
>>>  Do you think the creaking and the cracking are related?
>>>  How long can I keep riding with cracked rims?
>>>  Is anyone else experiencing this rim cracking? I don't have this
>>> problem on any other rims, including some less stout Mavic rims ...
>>>  Is this something that should be happening this quickly (my
>>> Marathon tires last two to three times longer than the rim!)?
>>>  SHould I pester velocity? the wheel builder?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: First ride on the Atlantis!

[Deacon Patrick]

Congratulations! That's a fantastic looking bike.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: First ride on the Atlantis!

[RJM]

Everytime I see an Atlantis in that color I am green with envy. Great 
looking bike. 
On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 9:36:29 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote: 
>
> Finally finished this up at 1am last night so I could ride to work today! 
> It's still missing some Velo Orange fenders and King Iris cages, but they 
> will be in later this week. 
>
> For those keeping track, I managed to get the White Industries cranks 
> mounted with a 118mm BB and 44x30 chain rings. I've got about 2-3mm 
> clearance at the chain ring bolts, and more at the rings, so a smaller 
> inner ring would allow for an even shorter spindle.
>
> I'll share some more detailed photos once the fenders are on, and this 
> weekend I'm taking it on a 100km s24o to give it a proper shakedown. I may 
> have only ridden it 5km so far, but I LOVE IT!
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/14204496230/in/photostream/
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Re: [RBW] Re: synergy rims (again?)

[Eric Platt]

Had a Salsa Delgado rim crack like that last year.  Had been on for about 3
years.  My weight and riding style is more to blame than anything when
stuff like that happens.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> I guess I'll keep an eye on my eyelets.  I recently built up a Synergy
> 650b OC rear rim.  Twice, actually; I dented the first rim on a huge
> pavement crack within the first week.  That was totally my fault.
>
> I'm 220# and I ride these wheels on gravel and commuting, in addition to
> road touring.  I went with the OC rim because it made for a strong, nearly
> dishless wheel with the Phil FW hub.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:25 AM, MobileBill 
> wrote:
>
>> Scott
>>They should have been built up after the rim improvement measures. But
>> I'm not sure what the likelihood is that you'll experience these problems...
>> I had a good conversation with Velocity, and they are bending over
>> backwards to make things right. As annoying as this has been for me, I feel
>> bad for them -- I think they generally make good products and they've
>> really made an effort to build rims suitable for Rivendell-style riding.
>>  As they note, there are a lot of OC rims out there that they haven't
>> heard complaints about. Maybe those riders don't ride as much, or don't
>> notice, or genuinely aren't having a problem. But for some of us, for
>> reasons I'm not smart enough to figure out, these Synergy OCs have been an
>> issue. In my case, it's not excess weight or ill-suited tires. Maybe it's
>> something about the design coupled with our road conditions or climate or
>> ...
>>  I did confirm that they have discontinued the OC version of the
>> Synergy.
>> Since some asked, I am attaching a photo of one the typical cracks
>> here. I am told that this kind of cracking can occur on rims by various
>> makers, so it may be wise to look for this regardless of who made the rim.
>> At this stage, I'm guessing the rim is still ridable if incredibly noisy,
>> but I am told it can eventually spread around the rim and virtually split
>> the rim in two. I'm hoping most of us would notice well before that happens
>> ...
>>
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[RBW] Re: Saddlebag strap failing after 2 rides

[Deacon Patrick]

Bummer! Have you felt for sharp adages in the saddle loop? It looks like a 
shape edge cut happened from the inside/right side of the saddle loop. I'd 
take a metal file to it and see how much smoother it could be made. A chain 
saw sharpening round file would work well, if you have one.

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Re: [RBW] Re: synergy rims (again?)

[Tim Gavin]

I guess I'll keep an eye on my eyelets.  I recently built up a Synergy 650b
OC rear rim.  Twice, actually; I dented the first rim on a huge pavement
crack within the first week.  That was totally my fault.

I'm 220# and I ride these wheels on gravel and commuting, in addition to
road touring.  I went with the OC rim because it made for a strong, nearly
dishless wheel with the Phil FW hub.

Tim

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:25 AM, MobileBill  wrote:

> Scott
>They should have been built up after the rim improvement measures. But
> I'm not sure what the likelihood is that you'll experience these problems...
> I had a good conversation with Velocity, and they are bending over
> backwards to make things right. As annoying as this has been for me, I feel
> bad for them -- I think they generally make good products and they've
> really made an effort to build rims suitable for Rivendell-style riding.
>  As they note, there are a lot of OC rims out there that they haven't
> heard complaints about. Maybe those riders don't ride as much, or don't
> notice, or genuinely aren't having a problem. But for some of us, for
> reasons I'm not smart enough to figure out, these Synergy OCs have been an
> issue. In my case, it's not excess weight or ill-suited tires. Maybe it's
> something about the design coupled with our road conditions or climate or
> ...
>  I did confirm that they have discontinued the OC version of the
> Synergy.
> Since some asked, I am attaching a photo of one the typical cracks
> here. I am told that this kind of cracking can occur on rims by various
> makers, so it may be wise to look for this regardless of who made the rim.
> At this stage, I'm guessing the rim is still ridable if incredibly noisy,
> but I am told it can eventually spread around the rim and virtually split
> the rim in two. I'm hoping most of us would notice well before that happens
> ...
>

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[RBW] FS Cycleops Alum. 3.25" rollers

[Rich Powers]

Moving and time to clean out!   Paypal personal and will ship in the next
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Cycleops 3.25 Aluminium rollers ($300 new)- like new $150 shipped US lower
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Re: [RBW] Re: 68 Quickbeam near Seattle

[art]

It's my bike -- I appreciate the word-of-list!

It's a great bike, but I don't need it and need to pay some cycling bills.

Arthur S
Tacoma

On Monday, June 9, 2014 7:14:57 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Wow, that's a rare opportunity for the tall folk. Would go great w/ the 71 
> Homer recently discussed!
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:45 PM, BSWP > 
> wrote:
>
>> And sporting 175 Ritchey Logic cranks, with Velocity Dyad rims. A 
>> fantastic deal.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 9, 2014 12:31:36 PM UTC-7, rcnute wrote:
>>>
>>> Not mine, looks like a great deal.
>>>
>>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/bik/4512152666.html
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
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[RBW] Re: First ride on the Atlantis!

[Tony DeFilippo]

Great looking Atlantis, I do love that color.  The crank does look great as 
do the tires.  I'm looking forward to some ride reports!


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[RBW] Re: First ride on the Atlantis!

[Mark Reimer]

Thanks everyone! 

I've got a ton o' clearance. More than enough room to fit a fender. Just 
eyeballing it, I'd say 1cm on both sides of the tire, and much more above 
the tire.

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:38:00 AM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Looks beautiful!  The S24O should be a walk in the park.  How much tire 
> clearance do you have at the fork?  
>
> dougP
>
> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:36:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Finally finished this up at 1am last night so I could ride to work today! 
>> It's still missing some Velo Orange fenders and King Iris cages, but they 
>> will be in later this week.
>>
>> For those keeping track, I managed to get the White Industries cranks 
>> mounted with a 118mm BB and 44x30 chain rings. I've got about 2-3mm 
>> clearance at the chain ring bolts, and more at the rings, so a smaller 
>> inner ring would allow for an even shorter spindle.
>>
>> I'll share some more detailed photos once the fenders are on, and this 
>> weekend I'm taking it on a 100km s24o to give it a proper shakedown. I may 
>> have only ridden it 5km so far, but I LOVE IT!
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/14204496230/in/photostream/
>>
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[RBW] Re: First ride on the Atlantis!

[dougP]

Looks beautiful!  The S24O should be a walk in the park.  How much tire 
clearance do you have at the fork?  

dougP

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:36:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Finally finished this up at 1am last night so I could ride to work today! 
> It's still missing some Velo Orange fenders and King Iris cages, but they 
> will be in later this week.
>
> For those keeping track, I managed to get the White Industries cranks 
> mounted with a 118mm BB and 44x30 chain rings. I've got about 2-3mm 
> clearance at the chain ring bolts, and more at the rings, so a smaller 
> inner ring would allow for an even shorter spindle.
>
> I'll share some more detailed photos once the fenders are on, and this 
> weekend I'm taking it on a 100km s24o to give it a proper shakedown. I may 
> have only ridden it 5km so far, but I LOVE IT!
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/14204496230/in/photostream/
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice Needed from Bike Campers

[Deacon Patrick]

Aye. Well worth the cost (that's -20˚F bottomed out, and the tens was all 
the way int he bulb, so somewhere colder than that: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/12513399475/in/set-72157640950274605

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Re: Advice Needed from Bike Campers

['doc' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick,
My experience is that only the older Super Stretch/Super Spirals are 
subject to leakage at the seams because they are elasticized, and even then 
its after a few years of heavy use.  I think the #1 bag I bought is a 2011, 
which would be about right.  My 2013 #3 Super Spiral has not leaked a 
single feather.  Either way, both bags are super comfortable and warm, and 
if I can solve the seam issue on the #1, it will have been one of those 
"too good to be true" deals that actually was.  The only other bags I've 
looked at are WM and FF...a bit pricey, but worth the cost if you talk to 
hardcore cold weather campers.  thx.  doc.

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:50:02 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Based on the internets, MontBell is known for having seams open to leak 
> down with use.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 12:13:24 AM UTC-6, grant wrote:
>>
>> Pinch the unseen part of the fluff with one hand, then pull the outer 
>> fabric away from it, and it'll go back into the bag. Some leakage is 
>> normal, and this  reverses it. If the bag is white-with-down around the 
>> zipper seam, that tape might be a good idea. But...MontBell makes great 
>> stuff, and it would be out of character for them to like, not test the 
>> relative downproofness of the fabric. Superlight fabrics are more 
>> succeptible, but---nope, gonna reel it in here. Pull the fluff back in 
>> or tape. Ultimately, any down you lose will lighten the back and make it 
>> more suitable for warmer nights. 
>> Here's a general lightweight camping gear tape tip: Tear-AId. Two types. 
>> For tents, bags, jackets, really good.
>>
>> On Monday, June 9, 2014 9:42:50 AM UTC-7, doc wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a used Montbell UL Super Spiral #1 at a good price.  I have the 
>>> #3 for a summer bag and wanted something a little warmer.  True to form, 
>>> the older models have some down leakage around the lining seams.  Can I use 
>>> liquid seam sealer like people use for clothing hems and stuff?  Does it 
>>> remain plyable?  Plan B is to try some diluted silicone after making sure 
>>> the solvent doesn't eat away the fabric.
>>>  
>>> Has anyone dealt with this before?  thx.
>>>  
>>> Riv content:  I use the bag on S24O's.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: First ride on the Atlantis!

[blakcloud]

Very nice Mark. The cranks looks great on that bike. 


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[RBW] Re: First ride on the Atlantis!

[Shoji Takahashi]

Looks great, Mark. Happy riding!

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 10:36:29 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Finally finished this up at 1am last night so I could ride to work today! 
> It's still missing some Velo Orange fenders and King Iris cages, but they 
> will be in later this week.
>
> For those keeping track, I managed to get the White Industries cranks 
> mounted with a 118mm BB and 44x30 chain rings. I've got about 2-3mm 
> clearance at the chain ring bolts, and more at the rings, so a smaller 
> inner ring would allow for an even shorter spindle.
>
> I'll share some more detailed photos once the fenders are on, and this 
> weekend I'm taking it on a 100km s24o to give it a proper shakedown. I may 
> have only ridden it 5km so far, but I LOVE IT!
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/14204496230/in/photostream/
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice Needed from Bike Campers

[KTY]

Also, as long as we're on the subject of sleep systems, these down quilts 
are handmade with top notch materials and about half the price of what they 
would be from Montbell, WM, or any other high end MUSA manufacturer: 
http://www.hammockgear.com 
It's a boutique shop, longer wait times, but well worth it. These would 
work just as well with ground systems (a Neo Air) as with hammocks. That 
said, hammocks are frankly the perfect solution for bike touring -- and 
lightweight backpacking. Here's a great intro, if you're not familiar with 
hammocks: http://andrewskurka.com/2012/hammocks-advantages-disadvantages/

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:50:02 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Based on the internets, MontBell is known for having seams open to leak 
> down with use.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 12:13:24 AM UTC-6, grant wrote:
>>
>> Pinch the unseen part of the fluff with one hand, then pull the outer 
>> fabric away from it, and it'll go back into the bag. Some leakage is 
>> normal, and this  reverses it. If the bag is white-with-down around the 
>> zipper seam, that tape might be a good idea. But...MontBell makes great 
>> stuff, and it would be out of character for them to like, not test the 
>> relative downproofness of the fabric. Superlight fabrics are more 
>> succeptible, but---nope, gonna reel it in here. Pull the fluff back in 
>> or tape. Ultimately, any down you lose will lighten the back and make it 
>> more suitable for warmer nights. 
>> Here's a general lightweight camping gear tape tip: Tear-AId. Two types. 
>> For tents, bags, jackets, really good.
>>
>> On Monday, June 9, 2014 9:42:50 AM UTC-7, doc wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a used Montbell UL Super Spiral #1 at a good price.  I have the 
>>> #3 for a summer bag and wanted something a little warmer.  True to form, 
>>> the older models have some down leakage around the lining seams.  Can I use 
>>> liquid seam sealer like people use for clothing hems and stuff?  Does it 
>>> remain plyable?  Plan B is to try some diluted silicone after making sure 
>>> the solvent doesn't eat away the fabric.
>>>  
>>> Has anyone dealt with this before?  thx.
>>>  
>>> Riv content:  I use the bag on S24O's.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Optimal tire pressure questions...

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I weigh 400 lbs and tend to run the fattest tires my bike will fit (40mm 
Duremes right now) and I generally just run them 10psi less than the stated 
max and they are fine.  I've run them in the 60psi range with no problem 
but probably wouldn't go any lower than that.  This is primarily riding on 
smooth surfaces.  

I also have a set of 32mm tires and I usually run them at max pressure.  

I'm not real conscientous about checking tire pressure and only air them up 
when they are noticeably low and I've never had a pinch flat.  There 
probably aren't a lot of riders out there heavier than me so I would just 
run them where they are comfortable.  I can't imagine tires that are 
dangerously low even being pleasurable to ride.  



On Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:23:18 PM UTC-6, René wrote:
>
> Since I'm a heavy guy, the spreadsheet that has been posted for all to 
> determine the optimal tire pressure has been very usefull for me, 
> particularly as all my bikes have different tire widths/sizes. However, 
> last week I ran into a couple of issues with this chart that I'd like to 
> see how everyone else has addressed:
>  
> 1) Does tire size (650b, 700c, etc.) affect the optimal pressure for a 
> give tire width?
> 2) If you are a very light person, for wider tires you get some ridiculous 
> low number, like 7lbs. How do you determine the lowest pressure to use in 
> these cases?
> 3) Can I extrapolate these values to tubeless MTB tires as well?
>  
> Any extra feedback is welcome!
>  
> René
>

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[RBW] Re: Optimal tire pressure questions...

[Jan Heine]

The minimum inflation values are pretty arbitrary. I run my Hetres at 35-45 
psi... For the Compass tires, we don't list minimum inflation values, 
because they are too confusing.

The maximum inflation really is the maximum safe pressure - don't exceed 
it! 

For the minimum, you can go lower. Once the tire really starts to deflect a 
lot and washes out in corners, you are too low. Also, the casing threads 
will start to break if you run pressures that are too low. You'll see it as 
a pattern in the sidewall. If just one thread is broken (which usually 
happens), the tire still is fine to ride... But this happens at 
ridiculously low pressures. The one time to pay attention is you have a 
flat. Don't ride it until you roll on the rim, otherwise, you'll break a 
few threads in the casing.

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/


Do Hetres have inflation pressure ranges on the sidewalls?
>
Yes, the 650B Grand Bois Extra Leger says 55-75 psi.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: synergy rims (again?)

[Scott Shelton]

Is it possible the rims were older stock, prior to Velocity beefing up the
eyelet area?


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 6:02 AM, MobileBill  wrote:

> Thanks to all for comments and advice.
> Jim, I did remove the qr and cleaned, but no change. I'll replace it
> entirely and see if that makes a difference.
> The hairline cracks are still small -- not yet as extended as the ones on
> my first rim -- but they are clearly developing spreading an inch or so
> from a couple of eyelets in either direction. I also decided to check the
> OC rims on the Betty, and I see them developing there as well.
> Front synergy rims, by the way, show little signs of wear or trouble after
> almost 19,000 miles.
>
> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:51:14 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On 06/09/2014 11:50 PM, Nanga Parbat wrote:
>> > That is scary. I just ordered a set of synergy rims for a new build. I
>> > would suggest advising the wheel builder and then contacting Velocity.
>> > I think Velocity would want to clear up your case quickly, especially
>> > being your second OC rim. Good customer service would only benefit
>> > Velocity
>> > and this group should be on their radar.
>> >
>>
>> Velocity's customer service on this issue in the past has been
>> outstanding.
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Re: [RBW] Re: synergy rims (again?)

[MobileBill]

Thanks to all for comments and advice.
Jim, I did remove the qr and cleaned, but no change. I'll replace it 
entirely and see if that makes a difference. 
The hairline cracks are still small -- not yet as extended as the ones on 
my first rim -- but they are clearly developing spreading an inch or so 
from a couple of eyelets in either direction. I also decided to check the 
OC rims on the Betty, and I see them developing there as well.
Front synergy rims, by the way, show little signs of wear or trouble after 
almost 19,000 miles.

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:51:14 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 06/09/2014 11:50 PM, Nanga Parbat wrote: 
> > That is scary. I just ordered a set of synergy rims for a new build. I 
> > would suggest advising the wheel builder and then contacting Velocity. 
> > I think Velocity would want to clear up your case quickly, especially 
> > being your second OC rim. Good customer service would only benefit 
> > Velocity 
> > and this group should be on their radar. 
> > 
>
> Velocity's customer service on this issue in the past has been 
> outstanding. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice Needed from Bike Campers

[Deacon Patrick]

Based on the internets, MontBell is known for having seams open to leak 
down with use.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 12:13:24 AM UTC-6, grant wrote:
>
> Pinch the unseen part of the fluff with one hand, then pull the outer 
> fabric away from it, and it'll go back into the bag. Some leakage is 
> normal, and this  reverses it. If the bag is white-with-down around the 
> zipper seam, that tape might be a good idea. But...MontBell makes great 
> stuff, and it would be out of character for them to like, not test the 
> relative downproofness of the fabric. Superlight fabrics are more 
> succeptible, but---nope, gonna reel it in here. Pull the fluff back in 
> or tape. Ultimately, any down you lose will lighten the back and make it 
> more suitable for warmer nights. 
> Here's a general lightweight camping gear tape tip: Tear-AId. Two types. 
> For tents, bags, jackets, really good.
>
> On Monday, June 9, 2014 9:42:50 AM UTC-7, doc wrote:
>>
>> I bought a used Montbell UL Super Spiral #1 at a good price.  I have the 
>> #3 for a summer bag and wanted something a little warmer.  True to form, 
>> the older models have some down leakage around the lining seams.  Can I use 
>> liquid seam sealer like people use for clothing hems and stuff?  Does it 
>> remain plyable?  Plan B is to try some diluted silicone after making sure 
>> the solvent doesn't eat away the fabric.
>>  
>> Has anyone dealt with this before?  thx.
>>  
>> Riv content:  I use the bag on S24O's.
>>
>

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RE: [RBW] How do I straighten my Brooks saddle nose?

[Larry Powers]

Could this be you?  If several saddles have done the exact same thing could it 
be that you are not symmetrical and the saddle is just breaking into fit the 
way you are?  I know that I do not set square on the bike and I actually need 
to point the nose of the saddle slightly to the left of center to be 
comfortable.  I have not had the same issue you are seeing and I know that the 
quality of these saddles is not what is was 10 years ago.  But they are leather 
and they do break in to fit the rider.  If the rails are straight then maybe it 
is you.  Have someone ride behind you and see if they can see how you sit, if 
your back is straight and hips parallel.  If not it is no big deal other then 
helping to explain how your bike need to be adjusted to fit you. 

Larry Powers 

 

Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain


Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 11:15:56 -0700
From: john11.2...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] How do I straighten my Brooks saddle nose?

It has about a year of riding on it. Never got wet.Needs Proofhide?Adjustment 
bolt tightening?
When I bought it, it had a slight curve to the nose, and I didn't want to make 
a fuss and return it, but now I think it is getting worse and rubbing my right 
thigh. Otherwise this has been a great saddle.
What is it with Brooks? I think I have bought 5 in the last few years, and I 
think three have had either a curved nose, or the rivets aren't symmetrical, or 
the adjustment bolt is crooked.






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Re: [RBW] Re: synergy rims (again?)

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/09/2014 11:50 PM, Nanga Parbat wrote:
That is scary. I just ordered a set of synergy rims for a new build. I 
would suggest advising the wheel builder and then contacting Velocity.
I think Velocity would want to clear up your case quickly, especially 
being your second OC rim. Good customer service would only benefit 
Velocity

and this group should be on their radar.



Velocity's customer service on this issue in the past has been outstanding.

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