[RBW] Re: Winter Welcome Wagon [Share Your Pics]

[Takashi]

I bought a pair of Schwalbe Ice Spiker Pro for my Hunqapillar:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/sets/72157641749379205/

I am struggling to install fenders on this bike.
Clearances are small, so I have to file off here and there.

Takashi


2014年12月2日火曜日 11時13分47秒 UTC+9 Tony DeFilippo:
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> '93 XO-3, 59cm
> Single Speed via WI ENO Hub
> Nokian M&G 26x1.95" Studded Tires
> Alba cockpit w/ Paul levers
> Lot's of orphaned parts from around the garage
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Re: [RBW] Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[Eric Platt]

The Felco looks to be about $20 more than the Park.  Have a  Park in my
tool kit which works for my use.  The first Park wire cutter I had lasted
over 20 years.  Died when I put too many dents in the cutting edge.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

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> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:25 PM, lungimsam  wrote:
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>>
>> Any ideas? How'd you learn?
>>
>
> Trial and error.  Rivendell YouTube videos.
>
> Best tool in the garage: my stand.  I'm not sure how I lived without one
> for so long.  Makes everything so much easier.
>
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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[ascpgh]

Same for me, now I need to figure how to best incorporate the new center 
pulls to a new frame with the best result and economy. Modify a production 
frame? Look at TIG steel custom? Good thing winter is just starting, I've 
got issues to work out!

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Friday, December 5, 2014 7:05:00 PM UTC-5, BSWP wrote:
>
> Great to hear Jan chime in here! Can anyone comment on benefits/risks of 
> placing the centerpull braze-on posts so pads are normally at position of 
> longest reach? That is, spec'ing post placement on a custom frame to match 
> pads to rims, with pads at point of longest reach on the brake arms? It 
> seems that will give the most clearance for inflated tires, but may also 
> have an effect on braking, on effort required at the lever and cable 
> travel. Maybe not enough to worry about? Or worth getting just right for 
> specific rims?
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[lungimsam]

@ Andrew:
You have to bend the tang over the calipers of  the R559 sidepull  brake 
arms when you are using R559's and fenders on a Bleriot with 42mm tires - 
almost absolutely no clearance left between the fender and sidepull brakes 
arms to run the tang. And because you cannot get the fender close enough to 
the hole under the fork crown, you can't run a daruma to accept the tang 
and fenders anyway. That's why I am liking the idea of canti brakes, so 
that nothing is in the way between tire/fender/fork crown and you would not 
need to buy a rack with a flat tang anyway, but a rack with a regular tube 
rod that runs through the hole in fork crown, to then attach the fender to.

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[RBW] Re: Compass Babyshoe pass and Grand Bois Hetre actual width

[Jan Heine]

The Hetre is a tad wider, since the tread on the shoulders is thicker. 
However, the inside mold is the same shape, so the air volume is the same.

I recommend the Hetre if you like the look (which I agree is beautiful), 
and the Babyshoe Pass if you want the ultimate in performance and supple 
comfort.

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:22:51 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote:
>
> Has anyone who owns both the Compass Babyshoe Pass and the Grand Bois 
> Hetre measured both tires on the same rim to determine the actual width? I 
> know that actual measured width varies with the rim, but if measured on the 
> same rim we should know which tire is wider. Or are they dead-on the same?
>
> Doug
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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Jan Heine]

Ernest Csuka of Cycles Alex Singer always said that no adjustment should be 
at the end of the range. Good bikes and good components are designed so 
that you don't need to push things to the very edge. In Rivendell's early 
days, this wasn't the case, since only short-reach brakes were commonly 
available, so Grant spec'd the clearances so the brakes were at the bottom 
of the slot, so you could fit the widest possible tires. All was fine until 
Toyo got it half a millimeter off on some Rambouillets, and you had to file 
the slots of the brake to stop the pads from hitting the tires... I am glad 
that we now have better components and no longer need to take these risks.

The Compass brakes are designed to provide optimum clearances with 42 mm 
tires and the pads 2/3 of the way down the slot. Moving the braze-ons 
higher (and the pads lower in the slots) would increase the clearance, but 
if you use our rack, it would move the fender mount too high. The brakes 
open far enough for 42 mm tires as designed, so there is no need to push 
them any further. Our custom pad holders are short enough to clear the 
seatstays/fork blades, so the brake can open wide. Most modern pads hit the 
stays/blades, which limits how wide the brake can open.

If you use narrower tires (say 38 mm), then it makes sense to move the 
pivots down a bit, so the rack sits at the right level above the tires 
again. We intend the pads always to be in the middle third of the 
adjustment range, so that you have some wiggle room.

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

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On Friday, December 5, 2014 4:05:00 PM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>
> Can anyone comment on benefits/risks of placing the centerpull braze-on 
> posts so pads are normally at position of longest reach? 
>

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[RBW] For sale 62cm Waterford Built Hunqapillar (revised posting)

[Keith B]

I'm revising my prior posting and price of this 62cm Waterford Built Hunq. 
I am the original owner and purchased the complete bike from Rivendell in 
Walnut Creek. The bike is excellent condition with larger tire clearance. 
Price is $3,333. I paid over $4,700. I live locally in the East Bay and 
prefer local sales.
Build details:
Frame (Waterford Built w/custom paint job); Silver Chris King Headset
Sugino XD Triple 44/34/24, Phil wood Bottom Bracket
Nitto Noodle Bars 48cm 26.0; Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 26.0
Shimano Aero Levers; Tecktro Brakers Interuptors, Shimano 9 sp Dura Ace Bar 
End Shifters
Shimano XT rear derailleur; Shimano XT front derailleur

WHEELS: 700c Rear 36 hole Phil Wood Hub 135 Synergy rim; 700c Front 36 hole 
Phil Wood Hub 
Brakes: Front Paul Neo Retro Brake; Rear Paul Touring Canti Brake w/Paul 
Moon Units cable guides. Schwable Marathon Dureme Tires
Nitto S83 Seatpost 26.8
Nitto cable hanger

I will also consider selling as a Frame/Fork/Headset/Bottom Bracket 
Combination with or without other parts. My email is klbeato at gmail. Cell 
is 510.703.1074
Keith

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Re: [RBW] Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[jeffrey kane]

Good tools (and good looking tools) like bikes in general, just make you 
want to use them more -- or at least make you happier when you do use (and 
ride) them. Shop around and pick them up here and there even when you're 
not currently "wrenching" out of necessity.

I just saw a set of these and all I keep thinking of is Santa please please 
please 

http://www.amazon.com/PB-Swiss-212LH-10-Ballend-rainbow/dp/B00312LYWM/ref=pd_bxgy_hi_img_z

On Saturday, December 6, 2014 8:18:18 AM UTC-5, EricP wrote:
>
> The Felco looks to be about $20 more than the Park.  Have a  Park in my 
> tool kit which works for my use.  The first Park wire cutter I had lasted 
> over 20 years.  Died when I put too many dents in the cutting edge.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Jim Bronson  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:25 PM, lungimsam > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Any ideas? How'd you learn?
>>>
>>
>> Trial and error.  Rivendell YouTube videos.
>>
>> Best tool in the garage: my stand.  I'm not sure how I lived without one 
>> for so long.  Makes everything so much easier. 
>>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Compass Babyshoe pass and Grand Bois Hetre actual width

[Doug Williams]

Thanks Jan,

 

Just wondering which one would squeeze under a fender better. You answered my 
question, and I was already leaning toward the Babyshoe.

 

Doug

 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jan Heine
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 6:21 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Compass Babyshoe pass and Grand Bois Hetre actual width

 

The Hetre is a tad wider, since the tread on the shoulders is thicker. However, 
the inside mold is the same shape, so the air volume is the same.

I recommend the Hetre if you like the look (which I agree is beautiful), and 
the Babyshoe Pass if you want the ultimate in performance and supple comfort.

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:22:51 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote:

Has anyone who owns both the Compass Babyshoe Pass and the Grand Bois Hetre 
measured both tires on the same rim to determine the actual width? I know that 
actual measured width varies with the rim, but if measured on the same rim we 
should know which tire is wider. Or are they dead-on the same?

 

Doug

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Bill Lindsay]

" Our custom pad holders are short enough to clear the seatstays/fork 
blades, so the brake can open wide. Most modern pads hit the stays/blades, 
which limits how wide the brake can open."


I sure hope that Compass makes those brake holders available separately.  
They appear to be another real upgrade from stock MAFAC hardware.  That's 
the only piece that doesn't appear to be available separately.  Hopefully 
that's just a temporary condition.  People who buy that $125 hardware 
upgrade kit for their MAFAC Racers will probably want those nicer pad 
holders.

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[RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[blakcloud]

Purchase the right tools and buy yourself a workstand, if you don't already 
have one. My workstand was the best investment I ever made. Buy the tools 
over time as you need them, it lightens the load on your finances. My 
workstand and assorted Campy tools are 30 years old and are still going 
strong. 

I do all my own repairs and installs. The only thing I don't do is build 
wheels, I leave that for people that have much more skill than I and a lot 
more patience. Though, I did buy the Park 2.1 truing stand just in case I 
ever want to start. 

I work on my bikes for many reasons but mostly I do it because I can't 
fathom the idea of paying someone to do a job that I can do easily. Nothing 
on a bicycle is that difficult. I can do the job right away, instead of 
leaving my bike for x number of days at the shop. Plus it is rewarding when 
you do something yourself. 

I find working on my bike, very relaxing and just plain fun. 

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[RBW] Quickbeam 58CM Green Machine Phil Wood Hubs Brooks Nitto

[Michael Gasparino]

Any chance on selling the frameset by its lonesome?

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[RBW] FS: sackville Barsack & nitto rack

[Mike C518]

Looking to sell my green sackville Barsack and nitto rack. I bought the pair 
about 1.5 years ago and used them for about a total time of 2 weeks. I decided 
that a front basket is much more practicle and my style. The bag and rack are 
still in mint shape with very little signs of use, maybe a little scuff or 
scratch here and there. It's been sitting in my bedroom ever since I put the 
front basket back on and I'd like to see it get some use and appreciation. 

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/4790822602.html

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam 58CM Green Machine Phil Wood Hubs Brooks Nitto

[Hobo]

I had a couple of emails regarding the price. Sorry I thought there was a 
price listed.

It is $1400 plus 75$ shipping.

On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 4:37:08 PM UTC-5, Hobo wrote:
>
> Back up to the top we go!
>
> On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:32:27 PM UTC-4, Hobo wrote:
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>> Here is my second Quickbeam (58CM) up for sale
>> I just finished the build yesterday. Both the headset and bottom bracket 
>> have been overhauled. Taken apart, cleaned and regreased all the bearings.
>> Brand new chain and cork grips.
>> Wow does this thing ride nicely!
>>
>> Parts shown:
>> Frame: Rivendell Quickbeam 58cm
>> Wheels: Phil Wood High Flange anodized orange laced to Velocity rims w/ 
>> White Industries 20t freewheel. 
>> Tires: Schwalbe Big Apple 29x2 (10 miles)
>> Bars: Nitto Albatross 
>> Stem: Nitto
>> Brakes: Tektro FL750
>> Brakes: Shimano Deore XT (Ritchey pads)
>> Crankset: Campagnolo C-Record w/ Salsa 42t ring
>> Saddle: Brooks B17 Special Honey 
>>
>> Does not come with pedals or bell
>>
>> If the buyer wants, I can swap out the tires and put brand new Pasela 37s.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

My "padding the tubes" comment was more "wrapping the tubes" to protect the 
finish from wrench edges.  E.G. if you are working on the headset, wrap a 
rag around the top tube so you don't gouge it unnecessarily. 

- Jim

On Friday, December 5, 2014 11:02:12 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> For Rivendell-list-type bikes? I've clamped tubes, top and down, since I 
> bought my first Park stand in ~2003 (presently have a better one); and at 
> the bike shop we clamped tubes on steel and aluminum; never using any 
> padding except that which is part of the jaws. Since the Park had the old 
> "bolt in holes" clamp adjustment system, I've put considerable pressure on 
> many a steel tube with no ill effects.
>
> I've clamped exactly 1 carbon fiber bike (Specialized Roubaix) but forget 
> if I clamped a tube or the carbon fiber seatpost -- Stevie, owner of shop, 
> watching me.
>
>
>
>> And some smack-you-on-the-back-of-the-head-reminders
>> Don't clamp the tubes.  
>>
>  

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[RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

On tools, some stuff is definitely bike specific - the thinness needed for 
lockring/cup-cones/pedal wrenches for example.  But, some stuff does't 
matter.  Craftsman gives an over-the-counter warranty (as do others) and 
generally, like the best warranties, you don't have to use it.   

Box/closed end wrenches for smaller brake and cable bolts (esp. for 
canti's) have saved my hide numerous times. 

The Eldi tools I've ended up with seem to get better with age... 

I just accumulated over the years - photo session from a while back:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/sets/72157604076133078

- J / cyclofiend.com

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[RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

HA! 
Just realized that when Flickr did their redesign a couple years back, ALL 
of the notes which were tagged to specific items within each of those 
photos got deleted.  Oy.   Back when I had more free time, I put 
names/specs and purpose on each.

Anyway

- J

On Saturday, December 6, 2014 10:55:37 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> On tools, some stuff is definitely bike specific - the thinness needed for 
> lockring/cup-cones/pedal wrenches for example.  But, some stuff does't 
> matter.  Craftsman gives an over-the-counter warranty (as do others) and 
> generally, like the best warranties, you don't have to use it.   
>
> Box/closed end wrenches for smaller brake and cable bolts (esp. for 
> canti's) have saved my hide numerous times. 
>
> The Eldi tools I've ended up with seem to get better with age... 
>
> I just accumulated over the years - photo session from a while back:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/sets/72157604076133078
>
> - J / cyclofiend.com
>

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[RBW] PDW Not-a-Shopsack FS

[Eric Norris]

This came with a bar-mounted rack that I purchased from Portland Design Works. 
I don't need it, so I'm offering it for sale for $35 shipped in the USA. 
Absolutely brand new. Nylon exterior; waterproof vinyl interior. Velcro and 
snap buckled to close it up. Integral shoulder strap stores inside. Measures 9" 
x 6" x 15" when fully open--easily holds a six-pack of beer!

Photos here: 

PDW Not-A-Shopsack FS album by Campy Only on Flickr.

Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
Twitter @CampyOnlyGuy
Blog: CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com

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[RBW] FS: SKF BB

[Clayton.sf]

Hi all,

Have a SKF Bottom Bracket Square Taper (JIS)   (107 mm, BSC, Red) for sale.

Works well with the Riv sugino cranks. Less than 50 miles on it. Only reason I 
am selling is cause I needed wider version. 

$105 shipped to CONUS

Best,
Clayton

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[RBW] Re: Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015

[Marc Irwin]

I can put together as long a ride as you like, but Saturday I was looking 
at 25-30 to have lunch in Hastings and a different 25-30 back.  Sunday, to 
ArtPrize, it's a 30 mile ride to downtown GR and day of knocking around and 
back, but I figured a lot of people would caravan to a common location, and 
make that a stop before the drive home.  But logistics and details can 
always be worked out.  There are hotel and casino accommodations nearby as 
well.

Marc

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:56:45 AM UTC-5, Geoffrey wrote:
>
> That sounds pretty cool.  How long of  a ride is it?
>
> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 5:05:21 AM UTC-6, Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>> Along my travels the past few years a few people have asked about a bike 
>> rally in Michigan.  Of course there are a lot of places many people would 
>> like along the lakeshore, but I realized that two things which have reached 
>> international importance are right out my back door and I do it every year. 
>>  Every year around the end of Sept I ride up to Yankee Springs Campground 
>> and spend the weekend where I ride through the forest along the route of the 
>> Barry Roubaix gravel race and spend the 
>> following day riding (or driving/riding, depending on the weather) to Grand 
>> Rapids for the Art Prize competition 
>> .  
>> I thought I would throw that out there and invite anybody who wishes to 
>> tag along.  It would be the last weekend of September 2015.  
>>
>> Marc
>>
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[RBW] Re: Compass Babyshoe pass and Grand Bois Hetre actual width

[Mike Schiller]

My black Hetres have about 2500 miles on them and measure 41.9 mm on 
Dyad's.   My new Babyshoe standard casings measure 39.7mm after a few weeks 
of installation on A23's.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[Patrick Moore]

Gotcha. I have grazed, scoured, and scratched many a tube for neglecting
this padding or protective wrapping.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Cyclofiend Jim 
wrote:

> My "padding the tubes" comment was more "wrapping the tubes" to protect
> the finish from wrench edges.  E.G. if you are working on the headset, wrap
> a rag around the top tube so you don't gouge it unnecessarily.
>
> - Jim
>
> On Friday, December 5, 2014 11:02:12 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> For Rivendell-list-type bikes? I've clamped tubes, top and down, since I
>> bought my first Park stand in ~2003 (presently have a better one); and at
>> the bike shop we clamped tubes on steel and aluminum; never using any
>> padding except that which is part of the jaws. Since the Park had the old
>> "bolt in holes" clamp adjustment system, I've put considerable pressure on
>> many a steel tube with no ill effects.
>>
>> I've clamped exactly 1 carbon fiber bike (Specialized Roubaix) but forget
>> if I clamped a tube or the carbon fiber seatpost -- Stevie, owner of shop,
>> watching me.
>>
>>
>>
>>> And some smack-you-on-the-back-of-the-head-reminders
>>> Don't clamp the tubes.
>>>
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[RBW] For sale 62cm Waterford Built Hunqapillar (revised posting)

[Abcyclehank]

What price are you asking for F/F/H/B only?

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Re: [RBW] Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[Geoffrey]

Just start doing it!  Almost everything on a bicycle is about tension, one 
way or another.  For the guys that haven't tackled truing, I encourage you 
do do so, spend 18 bucks and get a red, black and green wrench right out of 
the gate so you can do other bikes without question.  Once you figure out 
truing, you'll realize that it's easier to true a wheel than it is to get 
your handlebars straight!  
I like using quality tools, park, campy, or other non bike specific hand 
tools.  One the iBob list, there was a long discussion about work stands. 
 I love my WrenchForce (old Trek brand) stand and think it's a better 
design than the park stuff.  It looks like Feedback sports picked up where 
Trek left off: http://feedbacksports.com/shop/default.aspx
Very good design IMO. 
I agree that youtube would be a good place to check on how to perform 
different tasks on your bike.
One thing that I've described many times over the years and I've seen a lot 
of people have A Ha moments is adjusting the derailleurs.  The screws 
are simply limit screws for how high or low the derailleur will travel.  If 
your derailleur goes in to the highest and lowest gear you're good and 
these screws rarely ever need adjustment if you aren't changing parts on 
your bike or making adjustments to you bottom bracket spindle adjustment, 
like you can with a Phil BB.  
Anyhow, a quick tutorial on derailleurs.  Drop it all the way down in the 
back to the smallest gear, shift up one (I'm making the assumption it's 
indexed shifting but the concept is the same with friction) and see how it 
shift.  Does it shift quickly, does it not go at all?  Then shift back down 
and see how it shifts in comparison to going up.  If it fell down in to the 
smaller gear easier than it climbed up one gear, there isn't enough tension 
on the rear derailleur cable.  So, give a quarter turn on the rear 
derailleurs barrel adjusted OUT to increase the tension.  Then go through 
the process again.  I like to do this mostly in the middle of the cassette 
and then check across them all and you're good to go!

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 11:35:01 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:
>
> youtube is your friend at first, its easier to see visually what people 
> are doing than to read about it. Then just go for it, if you break 
> something expensive, you wont break it again most likely! I learned mostly 
> on my own, internet, youtube, a lot of trial and error. 
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:25 AM, lungimsam  > wrote:
>
>> I can do some stuff on my bikes. Setting up cockpits and saddle/seatpost, 
>> brake lever/caliper/housing/cable installation and adjustment, pedals, 
>> shifter lever installation and adjustment, fender/rack installations, 
>> cassette/chain swapping, etc. The more basic stuff.
>>
>> But I haven't dared to do anything with bb's, cranksets, wheel 
>> building/truing, headset adjustment, derailer installation. Just don't 
>> wanna mess anything up.
>> But I want to learn to do this stuff so I don't have to depend on the LBS 
>> for things.
>>
>> What's a good way to go about doing these more difficult things without 
>> damaging anything? Books and websites are helpful, but I still don't have 
>> the confidence to mess with the aforementioned stuff.
>>
>> Buy a beater and wrench away on it? But a lot of old road bike beaters 
>> don't match the type of components and frame of the RBW bikes and wheels, 
>> so I don't know how helpful that would be to break down and rebuild a 
>> Peugeot (for instance) to help me learn how to do maintenance on my 
>> Rivbikes.
>>
>> Any ideas? How'd you learn?
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[RBW] Re: For sale 62cm Waterford Built Hunqapillar (revised posting)

[Geoffrey]

Can you please post a stand over height?  Thank you...

On Saturday, December 6, 2014 8:36:28 AM UTC-6, Keith B wrote:
>
> I'm revising my prior posting and price of this 62cm Waterford Built Hunq. 
> I am the original owner and purchased the complete bike from Rivendell in 
> Walnut Creek. The bike is excellent condition with larger tire clearance. 
> Price is $3,333. I paid over $4,700. I live locally in the East Bay and 
> prefer local sales.
> Build details:
> Frame (Waterford Built w/custom paint job); Silver Chris King Headset
> Sugino XD Triple 44/34/24, Phil wood Bottom Bracket
> Nitto Noodle Bars 48cm 26.0; Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 26.0
> Shimano Aero Levers; Tecktro Brakers Interuptors, Shimano 9 sp Dura Ace 
> Bar End Shifters
> Shimano XT rear derailleur; Shimano XT front derailleur
>
> WHEELS: 700c Rear 36 hole Phil Wood Hub 135 Synergy rim; 700c Front 36 
> hole Phil Wood Hub 
> Brakes: Front Paul Neo Retro Brake; Rear Paul Touring Canti Brake w/Paul 
> Moon Units cable guides. Schwable Marathon Dureme Tires
> Nitto S83 Seatpost 26.8
> Nitto cable hanger
>
> I will also consider selling as a Frame/Fork/Headset/Bottom Bracket 
> Combination with or without other parts. My email is klbeato at gmail. Cell 
> is 510.703.1074
> Keith
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Re: [RBW] Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[Patrick Moore]

And if you don't have the proper Park spoke wrench, vise grips (even big
ones!) work very well if you are careful to tension the jaw just right so
that you don't (A) round off the nipple or (B) crush it.

Patrick Moore, who has used VG's to true and re-dish wheels, but who is,
nevertheless, not entirely serious, as usual, in ABQ, NM.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Geoffrey  wrote:

> Just start doing it!  Almost everything on a bicycle is about tension, one
> way or another.  For the guys that haven't tackled truing, I encourage you
> do do so, spend 18 bucks and get a red, black and green wrench right out of
> the gate so you can do other bikes without question.  Once you figure out
> truing, you'll realize that it's easier to true a wheel than it is to get
> your handlebars straight!
>

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[RBW] Re: For sale 62cm Waterford Built Hunqapillar (revised posting)

[Deacon Patrick]

90.6 cm is the standover for a 62 Hunqapillar.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, December 6, 2014 5:00:51 PM UTC-7, Geoffrey wrote:
>
> Can you please post a stand over height?  Thank you...
>
> On Saturday, December 6, 2014 8:36:28 AM UTC-6, Keith B wrote:
>>
>> I'm revising my prior posting and price of this 62cm Waterford Built 
>> Hunq. 
>> I am the original owner and purchased the complete bike from Rivendell in 
>> Walnut Creek. The bike is excellent condition with larger tire clearance. 
>> Price is $3,333. I paid over $4,700. I live locally in the East Bay and 
>> prefer local sales.
>> Build details:
>> Frame (Waterford Built w/custom paint job); Silver Chris King Headset
>> Sugino XD Triple 44/34/24, Phil wood Bottom Bracket
>> Nitto Noodle Bars 48cm 26.0; Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 26.0
>> Shimano Aero Levers; Tecktro Brakers Interuptors, Shimano 9 sp Dura Ace 
>> Bar End Shifters
>> Shimano XT rear derailleur; Shimano XT front derailleur
>>
>> WHEELS: 700c Rear 36 hole Phil Wood Hub 135 Synergy rim; 700c Front 36 
>> hole Phil Wood Hub 
>> Brakes: Front Paul Neo Retro Brake; Rear Paul Touring Canti Brake w/Paul 
>> Moon Units cable guides. Schwable Marathon Dureme Tires
>> Nitto S83 Seatpost 26.8
>> Nitto cable hanger
>>
>> I will also consider selling as a Frame/Fork/Headset/Bottom Bracket 
>> Combination with or without other parts. My email is klbeato at gmail. Cell 
>> is 510.703.1074
>> Keith
>>
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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Jan Heine]

We'll offer them separately as soon as we have enough in stock. Polishing 
them is tricky, since the post has to remain full diameter and roundness... 
Our polisher is working on them, but for now, we only have enough in stock 
to fit on complete brakesets.

The upgrade kit has proven remarkably popular. Clearly, there are many 
people who have a set of Mafacs on a bike they love.

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

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On Saturday, December 6, 2014 7:43:19 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> " Our custom pad holders are short enough to clear the seatstays/fork 
> blades, so the brake can open wide. Most modern pads hit the stays/blades, 
> which limits how wide the brake can open."
>
>
> I sure hope that Compass makes those brake holders available separately.  
> They appear to be another real upgrade from stock MAFAC hardware.  That's 
> the only piece that doesn't appear to be available separately.  Hopefully 
> that's just a temporary condition.  People who buy that $125 hardware 
> upgrade kit for their MAFAC Racers will probably want those nicer pad 
> holders.
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[RBW] Re: For sale 62cm Waterford Built Hunqapillar (revised posting)

[Geoffrey]

Keith, do you mind me asking how tall you are?  Gorgeous bike!

On Saturday, December 6, 2014 8:36:28 AM UTC-6, Keith B wrote:
>
> I'm revising my prior posting and price of this 62cm Waterford Built Hunq. 
> I am the original owner and purchased the complete bike from Rivendell in 
> Walnut Creek. The bike is excellent condition with larger tire clearance. 
> Price is $3,333. I paid over $4,700. I live locally in the East Bay and 
> prefer local sales.
> Build details:
> Frame (Waterford Built w/custom paint job); Silver Chris King Headset
> Sugino XD Triple 44/34/24, Phil wood Bottom Bracket
> Nitto Noodle Bars 48cm 26.0; Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 26.0
> Shimano Aero Levers; Tecktro Brakers Interuptors, Shimano 9 sp Dura Ace 
> Bar End Shifters
> Shimano XT rear derailleur; Shimano XT front derailleur
>
> WHEELS: 700c Rear 36 hole Phil Wood Hub 135 Synergy rim; 700c Front 36 
> hole Phil Wood Hub 
> Brakes: Front Paul Neo Retro Brake; Rear Paul Touring Canti Brake w/Paul 
> Moon Units cable guides. Schwable Marathon Dureme Tires
> Nitto S83 Seatpost 26.8
> Nitto cable hanger
>
> I will also consider selling as a Frame/Fork/Headset/Bottom Bracket 
> Combination with or without other parts. My email is klbeato at gmail. Cell 
> is 510.703.1074
> Keith
>

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Re: [RBW] For sale 62cm Waterford Built Hunqapillar (revised posting)

[keith beato]

I'm 6'3" and have a 93cm PBH in the morning.  My Hunq's stand-over height is 
the lowest of my 8 bikes including my 64cm Gunnar Roadie which also has a 
sloping TT. 

The reach on the Hunq is actually closer than my other bikes (Waterford RS-22) 
despite the longer top tube length due to the higher bar position. The reach is 
longer  on my 63.5cm Steve Rex, 63.5cm Map Randonneur Project bike, and 64cm 
Gunnar Roadie plus 3 other Rivendells 

My  other Riv'endells  all have higher SO heights with longer reaches due to 
their specific setups. My  64cm Roadeo  (yes 64cm - its a one off model I rode 
on PBP in 2011) has a 60cm top tube, while my 63cm Protovelo has a 60.5 cm top 
tube, and my 65cm Hilsen has a 62cm top tube. The variance in these top tube 
lengths is somewhat meaningless since the head tube angles are different on all 
of the bikes mentioned.  My Roadeo has a 73 degree Head tube angle (same as my, 
Map, Rex, and Waterford which all have similar TT lengths. My Gunnar has the 
shortest wheelbase and steepest HT angle at 73.5 degrees. It has a 60cm TT 
length but longer reach due to the saddle to bar position setup for the Oakland 
Port Ride.   



On Dec 6, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Geoffrey wrote:

> Keith, do you mind me asking how tall you are?  Gorgeous bike!
> 
> On Saturday, December 6, 2014 8:36:28 AM UTC-6, Keith B wrote:
> I'm revising my prior posting and price of this 62cm Waterford Built Hunq. 
> I am the original owner and purchased the complete bike from Rivendell in 
> Walnut Creek. The bike is excellent condition with larger tire clearance. 
> Price is $3,333. I paid over $4,700. I live locally in the East Bay and 
> prefer local sales.
> Build details:
> Frame (Waterford Built w/custom paint job); Silver Chris King Headset
> Sugino XD Triple 44/34/24, Phil wood Bottom Bracket
> Nitto Noodle Bars 48cm 26.0; Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 26.0
> Shimano Aero Levers; Tecktro Brakers Interuptors, Shimano 9 sp Dura Ace Bar 
> End Shifters
> Shimano XT rear derailleur; Shimano XT front derailleur
> 
> WHEELS: 700c Rear 36 hole Phil Wood Hub 135 Synergy rim; 700c Front 36 hole 
> Phil Wood Hub 
> Brakes: Front Paul Neo Retro Brake; Rear Paul Touring Canti Brake w/Paul Moon 
> Units cable guides. Schwable Marathon Dureme Tires
> Nitto S83 Seatpost 26.8
> Nitto cable hanger
> 
> I will also consider selling as a Frame/Fork/Headset/Bottom Bracket 
> Combination with or without other parts. My email is klbeato at gmail. Cell 
> is 510.703.1074
> Keith
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[RBW] 56 Atlantis Shakedown Ride

[Pondero]

I finally finished building up the Atlantis, and had a chance to take it out 
for a test ride over pavement, gravel trail, and grassy double-track.  As is 
often the case, my Saturday morning ride included a coffee brew-up.  A few 
photos are in the vicinity of this one...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15962212735/in/photostream/

When the ride was over, everything worked so well, I don't have any immediate 
plans to change or adjust anything.  Pure fun.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: 56 Atlantis Shakedown Ride

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nice!!   I always like views looking down at the handlebars where you can 
see the fat tire out front!!   




On Saturday, December 6, 2014 9:58:02 PM UTC-6, Pondero wrote:
>
> I finally finished building up the Atlantis, and had a chance to take it 
> out for a test ride over pavement, gravel trail, and grassy double-track. 
>  As is often the case, my Saturday morning ride included a coffee brew-up. 
>  A few photos are in the vicinity of this one... 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15962212735/in/photostream/ 
>
> When the ride was over, everything worked so well, I don't have any 
> immediate plans to change or adjust anything.  Pure fun. 
>
> Chris Johnson 
> Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] For sale 62cm Waterford Built Hunqapillar (revised posting)

[Geoffrey]

Thanks for the info.  I have a PBH of 99.5cm.

On Saturday, December 6, 2014 9:53:08 PM UTC-6, Keith B wrote:
>
> I'm 6'3" and have a 93cm PBH in the morning.  My Hunq's stand-over height 
> is the lowest of my 8 bikes including my 64cm Gunnar Roadie which also has 
> a sloping TT. 
>
> The reach on the Hunq is actually closer than my other bikes (Waterford 
> RS-22) despite the longer top tube length due to the higher bar position. 
> The reach is longer  on my 63.5cm Steve Rex, 63.5cm Map Randonneur Project 
> bike, and 64cm Gunnar Roadie plus 3 other Rivendells 
>
> My  other Riv'endells  all have higher SO heights with longer reaches due 
> to their specific setups. My  64cm Roadeo  (yes 64cm - its a one off model 
> I rode on PBP in 2011) has a 60cm top tube, while my 63cm Protovelo has a 
> 60.5 cm top tube, and my 65cm Hilsen has a 62cm top tube. The variance in 
> these top tube lengths is somewhat meaningless since the head tube angles 
> are different on all of the bikes mentioned.  My Roadeo has a 73 degree 
> Head tube angle (same as my, Map, Rex, and Waterford which all have similar 
> TT lengths. My Gunnar has the shortest wheelbase and steepest HT angle at 
> 73.5 degrees. It has a 60cm TT length but longer reach due to the saddle to 
> bar position setup for the Oakland Port Ride.   
>
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Geoffrey wrote:
>
> Keith, do you mind me asking how tall you are?  Gorgeous bike!
>
> On Saturday, December 6, 2014 8:36:28 AM UTC-6, Keith B wrote:
>>
>> I'm revising my prior posting and price of this 62cm Waterford Built 
>> Hunq. 
>> I am the original owner and purchased the complete bike from Rivendell in 
>> Walnut Creek. The bike is excellent condition with larger tire clearance. 
>> Price is $3,333. I paid over $4,700. I live locally in the East Bay and 
>> prefer local sales.
>> Build details:
>> Frame (Waterford Built w/custom paint job); Silver Chris King Headset
>> Sugino XD Triple 44/34/24, Phil wood Bottom Bracket
>> Nitto Noodle Bars 48cm 26.0; Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 26.0
>> Shimano Aero Levers; Tecktro Brakers Interuptors, Shimano 9 sp Dura Ace 
>> Bar End Shifters
>> Shimano XT rear derailleur; Shimano XT front derailleur
>>
>> WHEELS: 700c Rear 36 hole Phil Wood Hub 135 Synergy rim; 700c Front 36 
>> hole Phil Wood Hub 
>> Brakes: Front Paul Neo Retro Brake; Rear Paul Touring Canti Brake w/Paul 
>> Moon Units cable guides. Schwable Marathon Dureme Tires
>> Nitto S83 Seatpost 26.8
>> Nitto cable hanger
>>
>> I will also consider selling as a Frame/Fork/Headset/Bottom Bracket 
>> Combination with or without other parts. My email is klbeato at gmail. Cell 
>> is 510.703.1074
>> Keith
>>
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[RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[LF]

I really like Zinn's repair manuals ...
here's a link to the Road Bike one *.
A bike work stand is very helpful, but hanging a bike from the ceiling with 
two ropes works well, and is quite economical.
Zinn provides good advice on tools too. Although some tools are bicycle 
specific, many are not. Harbor Freight has very affordable tools, and many 
of their hand tools work quite well.
My $0.02, get a copy of Zinn's book, some rope, and whatever tools you 
need. Have a go at it. Worst case scenario ... the bike shop will bail you 
out, and maybe you'll acquire some beautiful beausage.
best,
Larry 



On Friday, December 5, 2014 12:25:42 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:
>
> I can do some stuff on my bikes. Setting up cockpits and saddle/seatpost, 
> brake lever/caliper/housing/cable installation and adjustment, pedals, 
> shifter lever installation and adjustment, fender/rack installations, 
> cassette/chain swapping, etc. The more basic stuff.
>
> But I haven't dared to do anything with bb's, cranksets, wheel 
> building/truing, headset adjustment, derailer installation. Just don't 
> wanna mess anything up.
> But I want to learn to do this stuff so I don't have to depend on the LBS 
> for things.
>
> What's a good way to go about doing these more difficult things without 
> damaging anything? Books and websites are helpful, but I still don't have 
> the confidence to mess with the aforementioned stuff.
>
> Buy a beater and wrench away on it? But a lot of old road bike beaters 
> don't match the type of components and frame of the RBW bikes and wheels, 
> so I don't know how helpful that would be to break down and rebuild a 
> Peugeot (for instance) to help me learn how to do maintenance on my 
> Rivbikes.
>
> Any ideas? How'd you learn?
>

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Re: [RBW] For sale 62cm Waterford Built Hunqapillar (revised posting)

[Keith Beato]

If you're local come check
It out

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 6, 2014, at 8:48 PM, Geoffrey  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the info.  I have a PBH of 99.5cm.
> 
>> On Saturday, December 6, 2014 9:53:08 PM UTC-6, Keith B wrote:
>> I'm 6'3" and have a 93cm PBH in the morning.  My Hunq's stand-over height is 
>> the lowest of my 8 bikes including my 64cm Gunnar Roadie which also has a 
>> sloping TT. 
>> 
>> The reach on the Hunq is actually closer than my other bikes (Waterford 
>> RS-22) despite the longer top tube length due to the higher bar position. 
>> The reach is longer  on my 63.5cm Steve Rex, 63.5cm Map Randonneur Project 
>> bike, and 64cm Gunnar Roadie plus 3 other Rivendells 
>> 
>> My  other Riv'endells  all have higher SO heights with longer reaches due to 
>> their specific setups. My  64cm Roadeo  (yes 64cm - its a one off model I 
>> rode on PBP in 2011) has a 60cm top tube, while my 63cm Protovelo has a 60.5 
>> cm top tube, and my 65cm Hilsen has a 62cm top tube. The variance in these 
>> top tube lengths is somewhat meaningless since the head tube angles are 
>> different on all of the bikes mentioned.  My Roadeo has a 73 degree Head 
>> tube angle (same as my, Map, Rex, and Waterford which all have similar TT 
>> lengths. My Gunnar has the shortest wheelbase and steepest HT angle at 73.5 
>> degrees. It has a 60cm TT length but longer reach due to the saddle to bar 
>> position setup for the Oakland Port Ride.   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Geoffrey wrote:
>>> 
>>> Keith, do you mind me asking how tall you are?  Gorgeous bike!
>>> 
 On Saturday, December 6, 2014 8:36:28 AM UTC-6, Keith B wrote:
 I'm revising my prior posting and price of this 62cm Waterford Built Hunq. 
 I am the original owner and purchased the complete bike from Rivendell in 
 Walnut Creek. The bike is excellent condition with larger tire clearance. 
 Price is $3,333. I paid over $4,700. I live locally in the East Bay and 
 prefer local sales.
 Build details:
 Frame (Waterford Built w/custom paint job); Silver Chris King Headset
 Sugino XD Triple 44/34/24, Phil wood Bottom Bracket
 Nitto Noodle Bars 48cm 26.0; Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 26.0
 Shimano Aero Levers; Tecktro Brakers Interuptors, Shimano 9 sp Dura Ace 
 Bar End Shifters
 Shimano XT rear derailleur; Shimano XT front derailleur
 
 WHEELS: 700c Rear 36 hole Phil Wood Hub 135 Synergy rim; 700c Front 36 
 hole Phil Wood Hub 
 Brakes: Front Paul Neo Retro Brake; Rear Paul Touring Canti Brake w/Paul 
 Moon Units cable guides. Schwable Marathon Dureme Tires
 Nitto S83 Seatpost 26.8
 Nitto cable hanger
 
 I will also consider selling as a Frame/Fork/Headset/Bottom Bracket 
 Combination with or without other parts. My email is klbeato at gmail. 
 Cell is 510.703.1074
 Keith
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: 56 Atlantis Shakedown Ride

[Tony DeFilippo]

The Atlantis looks fantastic, I love the fat tires and the stem shifters 
actually make me somewhat intrigued to try them out myself.  Great looking 
bike, nice pictures too!

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Saddlesack small Olive

[Richard Rios]

Bag has been sold Thanks

On Friday, December 5, 2014 3:42:59 PM UTC-8, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> Saddlesack Small Olive.  Like new condition asking $110.00.  Interested in 
> local sale only at this point in time So Cal 92313.  Shoot me a txt and I 
> will respond with a picture(S).  
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
> 909 910-7424
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[RBW] Free book for RBW Owners!

[Mark R.]

Actually, you don't have to have a Riv.

I posted this over to the Bob list, as I always post there, seldom post 
here but lurk this list these days.  Thought I would pass this on to all of 
you as well, 

As some of you know, I have a website/youtube channel on how to take care 
of the motor that pedals your bike.

I have a new book out, The Howtostretch Handbook, and it's free!  Can't 
beat the price, you can download the PDF here 


If that does not work, try  http://www.payloadz.com/d1/?id=2792724


Oh, it's not only for I bobs/RBW folks, tell anybody you want about it.  It 
is basically a guide on how to start stretching, about pain, how to correct 
imbalances in your body, with 
links to my videos to show the reader how.

Enjoy!


Mark Rosenberg
www.youtube.com/howtostretch
SDCA

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