[RBW] Re: OT:Is your bippy frozen?

2015-03-02 Thread Ron Mc
after a December week on the north slope, when I got back to muggy 
Anchorage, it was 25 and I was sweating in a sweater - but we're used to 
rides in the 50s and 60s and they call that winter.  What's wonderful is 
when we get what we call a blue norther - cold high pressure turns the sky 
dark blue, no humidity and those 40-degree mornings are cycling heaven.  

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 10:21:19 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Just to get a look of disgruntlement from Ron, we're sunny, 28˚F, 100% 
 humidity, multiple layers of snow on the trail, and it was t-shirt weather 
 for my ride this morning. Grin. Grit, grime, snow, slush and ice is good 
 for the drivetrain, right? Building character and strength? Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick




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[RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread Bill Lindsay
One of the most endearing parts of the Riv-Staff is how they each seem to 
have their own particular way of interacting with the Riv-Site.  It makes 
it kind of like easter egg hunt.  

Click New Items and you see the (1)$4000 Roadeo, the (2) $2900 57.5cm 
Longbike, and (3) A nice $2650 complete Hillborne
Click Web Specials and you see that same (1) Roadeo, but not bikes (2) 
and (3), but you do see (4) 53cm Protovelo Frameset for $, and (5) 52cm 
complete Longbike for $2900, same price as (2) but different size, and a 
(6) 56cm Atlantis frameset for $2300 and (7) a 61cm Hilsen frameset for 
$2300
Click Frame Specials and you see (1), (6) and (7) but none of the rest.  
Click on the page for bike (5) the 52cm complete longbike, and it claims to 
be part of a group called NewGood.  Click on that, and the NewGood page 
has no frames or complete bikes at all, but does have wooden ties.  

It's absolutely classic.  You gotta want it.  

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 11:51:01 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:

 Oh my goodness they are a steal!  I rode the 52 and it changed my thinking 
 about a custom by about 180 degrees!  I couldn't stop smiling!  If you've 
 thought about a longbike and are are short to medium height, GRAB it.  I 
 just saw the bigger blue frame-only on the website for $1100 but it 
 disappeared within the time it took to begin this post. Someone be bold and 
 make a home for one!

 As an aside, I bought a proto frame way back in 2007—a proto bleriot.  Set 
 it up as a single.  I love that bike and would have no reservations 
 whatsoever about getting a proto; I mean the discount is crazy good and the 
 product...it's still a Riv, rest assured.  My proto compared to my Saluki 
 has longer chainstays (yay) and less tire clearance (boo but still takes a 
 38 with fenders so not a big boo).

 Here are images of me on the proto in 2013 and my proto-inspired custom in 
 2015!

 Anyway, why is the 52 still sitting on the website?

 -rcw


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[RBW] Re: Protovelo questions

2015-03-02 Thread drew beckmeyer
thanks Liesl,
you bring up and answer a lot of decal questions/issues that i hadnt even 
thought about. i doubt it'll be resold, but that is a super valid point 
should it come to that. 

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[RBW] Protovelo questions

2015-03-02 Thread drew beckmeyer
so, i purchased the little green Clem Smith Jr prototype for my fiance 
 (right as i was halfway through building up a 1990 trek 520 for her. will 
be selling it, if anyone is interested).  i, for one, am very happy that 
there is a budget model available, as dropping 3k on another riv bike wasnt 
gonna be in the cards for me for a long time. a few tig welds and a 
powdercoat seems like a totally fair compromise. i think and hope that 
there will be a lot of people in the same gray area financial bracket who 
would be elated to have a rivendell. 

anyway, now that it is on the way, im excitedly curious about the whole 
protovelo thing. 
mainly...

-are the prototypes and the actual models made in the same place, or do 
they have a prototype builder knock out the first few until all refinements 
are done, then it moves to a factory?
   -follow up: anyone know who will be making the clems? 

-is there a way to get the specs/geometry for prototypes? not that i'd ever 
need it. i just like knowing everything about the bikes we have. (still 
somewhat bugged that i dont know the tubing dimensions of my hunqapillar. 
uselessly anal like that)

-what is the etiquette on the protovelo decals? im kind of into them, but i 
think she wants to ditch them. should i try to sell it as a rare feature?
   -follow up: anyone ever get the decals that just say rivendell? or 
put the official decals of the official bike on their proto (ie. sam
hillborne stickers on the proto sam hillborne)




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[RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread drew beckmeyer
i think a lot of these are gone. i know the 46cm is, because i bought it. 
if you try to buy, it says that it is sold out, but the page still remains

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[RBW] Re: Protovelo questions

2015-03-02 Thread dougP
 im kind of into them, but i think she wants to ditch them.

In terms of value, rare things are usually more valuable than common 
things.  While no Rivendell would be considered common, anything Protovelo 
says one of only a few ever made.  Personally, I think it's a really neat 
way to ID a bike that's special, midway between a one-off custom and a 
production bike.

dougP

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 1:26:38 PM UTC-8, drew beckmeyer wrote:

 so, i purchased the little green Clem Smith Jr prototype for my fiance 
  (right as i was halfway through building up a 1990 trek 520 for her. will 
 be selling it, if anyone is interested).  i, for one, am very happy that 
 there is a budget model available, as dropping 3k on another riv bike wasnt 
 gonna be in the cards for me for a long time. a few tig welds and a 
 powdercoat seems like a totally fair compromise. i think and hope that 
 there will be a lot of people in the same gray area financial bracket who 
 would be elated to have a rivendell. 

 anyway, now that it is on the way, im excitedly curious about the whole 
 protovelo thing. 
 mainly...

 -are the prototypes and the actual models made in the same place, or do 
 they have a prototype builder knock out the first few until all refinements 
 are done, then it moves to a factory?
-follow up: anyone know who will be making the clems? 

 -is there a way to get the specs/geometry for prototypes? not that i'd 
 ever need it. i just like knowing everything about the bikes we have. 
 (still somewhat bugged that i dont know the tubing dimensions of my 
 hunqapillar. uselessly anal like that)

 -what is the etiquette on the protovelo decals? im kind of into them, but 
 i think she wants to ditch them. should i try to sell it as a rare feature?
-follow up: anyone ever get the decals that just say rivendell? 
 or put the official decals of the official bike on their proto (ie. sam
 hillborne stickers on the proto sam hillborne)






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[RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread dougP
Isn't part of good web design to keep you on the page as long as possible?  
Seems to be working!  I too have noticed how wandering around the site 
seems like a scavenger hunt, and rather enjoy it.  Loads of good fun.

dougP

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 1:06:31 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 One of the most endearing parts of the Riv-Staff is how they each seem to 
 have their own particular way of interacting with the Riv-Site.  It makes 
 it kind of like easter egg hunt.  

 Click New Items and you see the (1)$4000 Roadeo, the (2) $2900 57.5cm 
 Longbike, and (3) A nice $2650 complete Hillborne
 Click Web Specials and you see that same (1) Roadeo, but not bikes (2) 
 and (3), but you do see (4) 53cm Protovelo Frameset for $, and (5) 52cm 
 complete Longbike for $2900, same price as (2) but different size, and a 
 (6) 56cm Atlantis frameset for $2300 and (7) a 61cm Hilsen frameset for 
 $2300
 Click Frame Specials and you see (1), (6) and (7) but none of the rest.  
 Click on the page for bike (5) the 52cm complete longbike, and it claims 
 to be part of a group called NewGood.  Click on that, and the NewGood 
 page has no frames or complete bikes at all, but does have wooden ties.  

 It's absolutely classic.  You gotta want it.  

 On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 11:51:01 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:

 Oh my goodness they are a steal!  I rode the 52 and it changed my 
 thinking about a custom by about 180 degrees!  I couldn't stop smiling!  If 
 you've thought about a longbike and are are short to medium height, GRAB 
 it.  I just saw the bigger blue frame-only on the website for $1100 but it 
 disappeared within the time it took to begin this post. Someone be bold and 
 make a home for one!

 As an aside, I bought a proto frame way back in 2007—a proto bleriot.  
 Set it up as a single.  I love that bike and would have no reservations 
 whatsoever about getting a proto; I mean the discount is crazy good and the 
 product...it's still a Riv, rest assured.  My proto compared to my Saluki 
 has longer chainstays (yay) and less tire clearance (boo but still takes a 
 38 with fenders so not a big boo).

 Here are images of me on the proto in 2013 and my proto-inspired custom 
 in 2015!

 Anyway, why is the 52 still sitting on the website?

 -rcw



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Re: [RBW] Re: OT:Is your bippy frozen?

2015-03-02 Thread Garth

  Yes, if you're in Alaska they are !   As all that cold air goes down tho 
the lower 48, the temps can rise dramatically in Alaska :-)   When it's sub 
zero cold in Minnesota, it's above freezing in Alaska .



On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 4:17:35 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:

 blue northers are cycling heaven???  yeah, if you're headed in a south or 
 southeasterly direction ;)




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[RBW] Re: Stop Breaking Things

2015-03-02 Thread Bill Lindsay
Broke a saddle -- SMAFU
Ride started late -- SMAFU
BART made it later -- SMAFU
no real plans -- SMAFU
made it up on the way -- SMAFU
good climbing -- SMAFU
overtightened parts -- SMAFU
constant pounding -- SMAFU
trail repair tested with DH action -- SMAFU
Shell Ridge Xtra credit -- SMAFU
watermelon stoppage -- SMAFU


On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 10:42:21 AM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Broke a saddle on the last ride.

 Not mine. Emily's. Let me start from the beginning...

 Sunday Funday Ride started really late. 10ish which meant more like 
 1030ish. 
 Bart was running late so really ride started 11ish.

 Had no real plans actually was planning on making up the ride as we went. 
 Luckily Nic came by and knew all the good routes.

 All good climbing too. Somehow on the climb up to the top Emily felt that 
 her saddle was getting really flexy. Then snap. Right through the rails. 
 Could of happened from tightening the rails too much or from constant 
 pounding.

 Just goes to show you nothing last forever.  3ish years is a good run on a 
 comfortable saddle just saying. 

 Wilson had a similar issue in the same location we just moved the saddle 
 forward and clamped the broken part in between the saddle clamp and bingo 
 good enough for some DH action. 

 We rode some more extra credit into Shell Ridge and stopped in at Nic 
 place for some watermelon stoppage. 

 All good times overall just 3 hours of riding. Short ones are good ones.

 Pictures Proved that you can pack really good riding in only 3 hours:
 https://flic.kr/s/aHsk8jTd8K

 Manny Breaking things is normal Acosta




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Re: [RBW] Re: OT:Is your bippy frozen?

2015-03-02 Thread Jim Bronson
blue northers are cycling heaven???  yeah, if you're headed in a south or
southeasterly direction ;)

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 after a December week on the north slope, when I got back to muggy
 Anchorage, it was 25 and I was sweating in a sweater - but we're used to
 rides in the 50s and 60s and they call that winter.  What's wonderful is
 when we get what we call a blue norther - cold high pressure turns the sky
 dark blue, no humidity and those 40-degree mornings are cycling heaven.


 On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 10:21:19 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Just to get a look of disgruntlement from Ron, we're sunny, 28˚F, 100%
 humidity, multiple layers of snow on the trail, and it was t-shirt weather
 for my ride this morning. Grin. Grit, grime, snow, slush and ice is good
 for the drivetrain, right? Building character and strength? Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


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[RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread Liesl
Okay, just to be OCD, here are the sizes, prices, and links.  Tell me they 
are not steals. Women, do not be shy on these smaller bikes.


46cm Clem Smith Prototype - Complete, $1100:  
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-123.htm
52cm Appaloosa Complete, $2900: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-124.htm
53cm Appalossa Proto-lengthy, frame only: $:  3 
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-125.htm
59cm Clem Smith Prototype - Complete, $1100:  
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-122.htm

enough long bikes for 4 smart people of all different sizes.

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[RBW] Re: Naked cotton tape

2015-03-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
Last year when I got the QB, I intentionally rode it shellac free, then 
with a single layer of shellac. Here s what I noted about the differences, 
especially prevalent/noticeable the rougher the road/trail is. Shellac is:

-- rougher on my hands, causing blisters on multi-mile rough descents.
-- less grippy when wet (from sweat or rain).

So this is the year of going shellac free and seeing what happens. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread iamkeith
Never mind - I should have read Drew's post.  I'm guessing that your 
computer is caching old pages, Bill.  Darn it.

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 4:12:46 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:



 On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 2:06:31 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 One of the most endearing parts of the Riv-Staff is how they each seem to 
 have their own particular way of interacting with the Riv-Site.  It makes 
 it kind of like easter egg hunt.  

 Click New Items and you see   $2900 57.5cm Longbike

  

 It's absolutely classic.  You gotta want it.  



 Huh. What am I doing wrong?  I can't see this.   Now that there's been 
 some actual sizing information released for the Clem Smith Jr. (which looks 
 completely non-sensical to me and is unlikely to fit me or anyone else 
 between 5'-11 and 6'-2, to my eye), I'm really regretting letting that 
 recent brown one, that Ben G got, slip away. 




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[RBW] Re: Protovelo questions

2015-03-02 Thread Liesl
first of all, good job on the little green Clem!  Here's what I know from 
my own experience...

I think currently the appaloosa's have been made by Mark Nobilette.  Not 
sure about where production will go for the appaloosas or the clems.

I got some spec's on my protobleriot (max. tire size) from Riv.  But I 
remember at some point, them saying if you gotta ask a million spec 
questions, you might be too nervous or something to that effect.  Mostly, 
don't expect the production model for a proto price.  That said, from my 
experience, do expect a riv. (I am the same way about trying to get all the 
spec's)

Not sure what to say about removing the proto decals and then reselling.  I 
think if you are the bonafide owner, you can reorder decals for the same 
bike.  Putting other-model riv decals (excpet maybe Resurrectio decals) on 
an inappropriate bike would be way way way off limits. A misrepresentation 
at a bare minimum.  For example, the Rivendell decal means that the bike 
is a custom Rivendell.  I'm sure that Riv guards those decals like they 
guard their headbadges:  under penalty of death do you get one without 
being the documented owner of the bike and then I think you need to 
believably make the case that your bike has lost its decal/headbadge.  
Grant's post about the Bridgestone badge evidences his philosophy on badge 
etiquette.

As for my own proto, I love having that designation.  People are generally 
quite curious about it, which is fun.

Hope this is helpful.  Again, congrat's!

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[RBW] Re: Naked cotton tape

2015-03-02 Thread ascpgh
In lieu of taking a strong position in cotton tape commodities, I had to 
relegate my preference of the hand offered by the bare cloth and shellac. 
It was for the all-weather capacity and lack of room to tote replacement 
rolls on a long, super-fly cross country test ride of my Rambouillet.

To note: the perspiration or rain-moistened hand actually has an active 
grip with the shellacked surface, polishing it over time. Improved 
sensation of the bike's behavior was why I wasn't applying cork or plastic 
padded tape or hiding squishy things under the cotton. The well-fit bike 
took care of those issues without bodge.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh (where I hear a bird chirping out in the afternoon sun-drenched 
snow, complaining about being the early bird)

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 11:50:39 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 I much prefer the feel of un-shellacked cotton bar tape. Softer, better 
 grip on jouncy trails, better sweat absorption. Until it is gunky. Any way 
 to retain the feel of unfinished cotton tape longer, other than “it’s so 
 cheep, just tape over it when needed”?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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 *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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[RBW] Re: Naked cotton tape

2015-03-02 Thread lungimsam
1. Maybe pull on the tape, super-tight, when you install it on the bars. 
Maintain high tension when installing. Might help?

2. You could also try different brands and widths.
I like *Green grips cotton bartape. http://www.greengrips.org/ 
http://www.greengrips.org/*
*They also have wide widths (heavyweight tape).* Maybe one of those would 
work better than what you are using.

I shellac mine though. The Evening Blue matches the Blue Sam's great once 
you get several clear shellac coats on it.  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/14193457709/in/set-72157633085407086

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[RBW] Re: Naked cotton tape

2015-03-02 Thread lungimsam
Here is what the heavyweight looks like, I think this was unshellaced or 
just a few coats of clear. But you can see the width. 

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[RBW] Re: Naked cotton tape

2015-03-02 Thread lungimsam
Here is the heavyweight width, so you can see what it looks like:
 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/12396140115/in/set-72157640701338654

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[RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread iamkeith


On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 2:06:31 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 One of the most endearing parts of the Riv-Staff is how they each seem to 
 have their own particular way of interacting with the Riv-Site.  It makes 
 it kind of like easter egg hunt.  

 Click New Items and you see   $2900 57.5cm Longbike

  

 It's absolutely classic.  You gotta want it.  



Huh. What am I doing wrong?  I can't see this.   Now that there's been some 
actual sizing information released for the Clem Smith Jr. (which looks 
completely non-sensical to me and is unlikely to fit me or anyone else 
between 5'-11 and 6'-2, to my eye), I'm really regretting letting that 
recent brown one, that Ben G got, slip away. 


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[RBW] Re: Camera Bag companion for ShopSack / Wald Basket

2015-03-02 Thread Jim D Massachusetts
Also, Ape Case makes the norazza, about  41/2 by 91/2 Jim 
D.  Massachusetts

On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 3:13:54 PM UTC-5, Roger wrote:

 Recently, I've been working on my camera skills in conjunction with 
 investing in new camera gear (Olympus EM10 with several native and adaped 
 lenses), and have been looking for a good way to carry an outing's worth of 
 equipment along in a secure fashion. 

 Camera bags are great, but bag inserts are a nice way to go if you already 
 have a main bag you like and just want a camera bag to fit inside. 

 The Timbuk2 Snoop Insert 
 http://www.timbuk2.com/snoop-camera-insert/869.html?dwvar_869_size=3dwvar_869_color=2076mkwid=sL8s6jPW1pkw=timbuk2%20snoop%20insertpcrid=48320977024pdv=cgclid=CMLMyZn4h8QCFYiVfgodQg0AUw
  
 is a nice way to go, if you already have a messenger bag. You can buy the 
 same size insert as your bag to completely fill the main compartment, or 
 you can get the insert that is one size down to still have some room left 
 for other things.I have a Small insert in a Medium bag, and it holds most 
 all of my gear.

 The Shopsack / Wald basket combo is perhaps the most perfect bike 
 accessory. It is the best commute and errand running setup I've used, and 
 what I really wanted was an insert to work with the ShopSack.

 A Camaroo insert is a nice, smaller bag insert. I have the Express Insert 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/sets/72157651041432016/with/16498118769/for
  
 Micro Four Third / Mirrorless Camera, which snuggles nicely into a Medium 
 Shopsack. I like it for on the bike. I can access my gear while straddling 
 the bike and keeping anything from moving around on me. It's also really 
 good for when you pull the Shopsack off the bike and carry it ... wherever 
 you are headed. My bag is about 8.5 x 6 x 4 and holds the camera, up to 4 
 lenses, and various things. It takes up less than half of the zippable 
 capacity of the Medium Shopsack, leaving space for your tools, personables 
 and sweater.


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[RBW] Re: Protovelo questions

2015-03-02 Thread Bill Lindsay
PRO
TOV
ELO



On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 2:08:12 PM UTC-8, drew beckmeyer wrote:

 thanks Liesl,
 you bring up and answer a lot of decal questions/issues that i hadnt even 
 thought about. i doubt it'll be resold, but that is a super valid point 
 should it come to that. 


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[RBW] Re: Stop Breaking Things

2015-03-02 Thread dougP
When I saw the title  poster, I thought Oh boy, what now, Manny?.  
Saddle rails, clamps  clamp bolts take a beating, so huge surprise.  Cheap 
plastic based saddles only last about a year, so i assume the one that 
failed was a decent one.  Oh well, stuff breaks.  

dougP

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 10:42:21 AM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Broke a saddle on the last ride.

 Not mine. Emily's. Let me start from the beginning...

 Sunday Funday Ride started really late. 10ish which meant more like 
 1030ish. 
 Bart was running late so really ride started 11ish.

 Had no real plans actually was planning on making up the ride as we went. 
 Luckily Nic came by and knew all the good routes.

 All good climbing too. Somehow on the climb up to the top Emily felt that 
 her saddle was getting really flexy. Then snap. Right through the rails. 
 Could of happened from tightening the rails too much or from constant 
 pounding.

 Just goes to show you nothing last forever.  3ish years is a good run on a 
 comfortable saddle just saying. 

 Wilson had a similar issue in the same location we just moved the saddle 
 forward and clamped the broken part in between the saddle clamp and bingo 
 good enough for some DH action. 

 We rode some more extra credit into Shell Ridge and stopped in at Nic 
 place for some watermelon stoppage. 

 All good times overall just 3 hours of riding. Short ones are good ones.

 Pictures Proved that you can pack really good riding in only 3 hours:
 https://flic.kr/s/aHsk8jTd8K

 Manny Breaking things is normal Acosta




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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto rear rack and Sacksville bag

2015-03-02 Thread Clayton.sf
$180 for the bag. Shipped to CONUS.

On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 1:13:37 PM UTC-8, Clayton.sf wrote:

 Rack sold. Bag still available

 On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 6:10:31 PM UTC-8, Kendallspower wrote:

 Sent you an email about the rack. Thank you.

 On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 12:29:30 PM UTC-8, Clayton.sf wrote:

 Hi All,

 Nitto Back-rack large. This one http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r4l.htm. 
 $180 
 shipped. Like new condition. Comes with all the hardware. This is the new 
 model without the tombstone and 3 hole light mount.

  

 Sacksville Saddlesack Large in tan. In excellent condition. Complete 
 with pouch and straps. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bassl-tan.htm 
 $200 shipped to CONUS. 


 Thanks,
 Clayton Scott

 SF, CA



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[RBW] Re: Naked cotton tape

2015-03-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
Green Grips is on the list to try, though I'm sticking with Newbwaum's for 
this next round. I love the Newbaum's -- it's time to test it naked for a 
year. Yes, it is good to wrap it good and tight.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT:Is your bippy frozen?

2015-03-02 Thread Ron Mc
40 in the morning, 70 in the afternoon, no wind, dry as a bone - you bet 
they are 

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 3:17:35 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:

 blue northers are cycling heaven???  yeah, if you're headed in a south or 
 southeasterly direction ;)

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 after a December week on the north slope, when I got back to muggy 
 Anchorage, it was 25 and I was sweating in a sweater - but we're used to 
 rides in the 50s and 60s and they call that winter.  What's wonderful is 
 when we get what we call a blue norther - cold high pressure turns the sky 
 dark blue, no humidity and those 40-degree mornings are cycling heaven.  


 On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 10:21:19 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Just to get a look of disgruntlement from Ron, we're sunny, 28˚F, 100% 
 humidity, multiple layers of snow on the trail, and it was t-shirt weather 
 for my ride this morning. Grin. Grit, grime, snow, slush and ice is good 
 for the drivetrain, right? Building character and strength? Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


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[RBW] Re: Noodle to Albatross Conversion - Final Questions

2015-03-02 Thread Joe Bernard
The latest listings for those bars at Rivbike.com mention that you should use 
the stronger aluminum version for off-road riding. IMO if your off-road 
involves plonking along in gravel just like you would on pavement, this is not 
the dirt riding Riv is referring to. I'm sure they're talking about singletrack 
with bumps and logs and whatnot, at which point an Alba is a poor design 
anyway. I want flat or Moustache Bars for that kind of stuff.

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Re: [RBW] Naked cotton tape

2015-03-02 Thread Jason Hartman
A good tip I just remembered is to thoroughly wet the cotton tape just
before installing. When it dries, it will shrink and be even tighter on the
handlebars.

Jay Hartman

On Monday, March 2, 2015, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Green Grips is on the list to try, though I'm sticking with Newbwaum's for
 this next round. I love the Newbaum's -- it's time to test it naked for a
 year. Yes, it is good to wrap it good and tight.

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 03/02/2015 10:18 PM, Reid wrote:
My computer must also be caching old pages. How do I go about 
un-caching pages? Thanks for any help!


Depends on your browser.  Here's a link to the relevant Firefox help page:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-clear-firefox-cache

In any case, your browser should have a menu choice for help, and if you 
search for clear cache you'll find what you need.




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[RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread Bill Lindsay
I did try to add the 57.5 to my cart and it does say Out of Stock.  I 
hope that when the real production Appaloosas arrive, that you Keith will 
be able to buy one in your size, equipped suitably well for around the 
price you want to pay.   

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 3:28:22 PM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:

 Never mind - I should have read Drew's post.  I'm guessing that your 
 computer is caching old pages, Bill.  Darn it.

 On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 4:12:46 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:



 On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 2:06:31 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 One of the most endearing parts of the Riv-Staff is how they each seem 
 to have their own particular way of interacting with the Riv-Site.  It 
 makes it kind of like easter egg hunt.  

 Click New Items and you see   $2900 57.5cm Longbike

  

 It's absolutely classic.  You gotta want it.  



 Huh. What am I doing wrong?  I can't see this.   Now that there's been 
 some actual sizing information released for the Clem Smith Jr. (which looks 
 completely non-sensical to me and is unlikely to fit me or anyone else 
 between 5'-11 and 6'-2, to my eye), I'm really regretting letting that 
 recent brown one, that Ben G got, slip away. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread Jim Bronson
I'm still waiting for Riv to sell off the 68-71cm demo models in this
fashion ;)

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:

 Okay, just to be OCD, here are the sizes, prices, and links.  Tell me they
 are not steals. Women, do not be shy on these smaller bikes.


 46cm Clem Smith Prototype - Complete, $1100:
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-123.htm
 52cm Appaloosa Complete, $2900:
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-124.htm
 53cm Appalossa Proto-lengthy, frame only: $:  3
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-125.htm
 59cm Clem Smith Prototype - Complete, $1100:
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-122.htm

 enough long bikes for 4 smart people of all different sizes.

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[RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread Liesl
Hi Joe --not saying you're wrong, but I'm 5'2 and I do believe that's the same 
bike as the one I'm riding in the photo. The description says 80 pbh and I'm 76 
but truly I t did not feel too big. I'm just saying 1) someone 5'3/5'4 could 
get away with it and 2) I know way more women read this listserv than post and 
that they/we tend to be shorter and so I just want to encourage them/us.

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[RBW] Re: Noodle to Albatross Conversion - Final Questions

2015-03-02 Thread SeanMac
I just finished placing my order.  I decided to go with the CroMo Albatross 
bars.  While I was at it, I ordered a pair of Miesha's cork grips and two 
rolls of brown Newbaum's tape.  This tape will, I hope, match my well-loved 
B-17 honey saddle, which is looking pretty brown these days.

My only hesitation was on the brake levers.  I'm going to be patient and 
wait for the Tektro Mountain Levers - which were the ones that I really 
wanted - to come back in stock.  The ETA for the levers in late March? 
which concerns me a bit.  However, since I live in the Buffalo, NY area 
(and don't like to ride on snow-covered roads) I am going to risk missing a 
ride or two in exchange for the brake levers that I am after.

I am quite excited about this project.  I think that the new bars will 
bring new life to my old Trek.  More importantly, I think that this setup 
will distinguish that bike from my other bikes, which both feature 
Noodles.  

Thanks for your help.  I will post pictures when the project is completed.

Sean

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 3:29:43 PM UTC-5, John wrote:

 How much does actually need to abuse their handlebars to need the aluminum 
 over the CrMo bars?  

 When I ordered my Hunq, I thought Riv said weight was the only difference. 

 I don't remember seeing anything about the aluminum bars being preferred 
 for gravel or fire roads.

 SurlyProf / John, have you tried using a torque wrench to tighten the 
 stem? Did you bars still move?

 Thanks,

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[RBW] Re: Naked cotton tape

2015-03-02 Thread David Banzer
Viva is by far my favorite cloth tape. Riv used to carry it and I was 
bummed when they stopped.
It can be had through the GB store, at $9 a pair, plus shipping from Japan. 
I've been tempted many times to put in an order of just a few pair of bar 
tape. 
David
Chicago


On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 5:42:33 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Green Grips is on the list to try, though I'm sticking with Newbwaum's for 
 this next round. I love the Newbaum's -- it's time to test it naked for a 
 year. Yes, it is good to wrap it good and tight.

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread Reid
My computer must also be caching old pages. How do I go about un-caching 
pages? Thanks for any help!

Reid

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 3:28:22 PM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:

 Never mind - I should have read Drew's post.  I'm guessing that your 
 computer is caching old pages, Bill.  Darn it.

 On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 4:12:46 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:


 Huh. What am I doing wrong?  I can't see this.   Now that there's been 
 some actual sizing information released for the Clem Smith Jr. (which looks 
 completely non-sensical to me and is unlikely to fit me or anyone else 
 between 5'-11 and 6'-2, to my eye), I'm really regretting letting that 
 recent brown one, that Ben G got, slip away. 




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[RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread Joe Bernard
I'm not sure the 52 and 53 qualify as smaller/women's bikes. I'm 5-7-ish 
with a 78 pbh, and both of these are too big for me according to the site's 
recommended pbh ranges. These are sized with Riv's current expanded frame 
numbers, which means my normal 52/53/54 seattube on a flat-toptube frame 
gets cut down to around 48 for these bicycles. Just thought I should point 
that out before y'all shorter-like-me folks get too excited :)

Okay, just to be OCD, here are the sizes, prices, and links.  Tell me they 
 are not steals. Women, do not be shy on these smaller bikes.


 46cm Clem Smith Prototype - Complete, $1100:  
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-123.htm
 52cm Appaloosa Complete, $2900: 
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-124.htm
 53cm Appalossa Proto-lengthy, frame only: $:  3 
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-125.htm
 59cm Clem Smith Prototype - Complete, $1100:  
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-122.htm

 enough long bikes for 4 smart people of all different sizes.


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[RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread Joe Bernard
Ah, somehow I missed that the pic is you on the 52. It looks to be showing 
more seatpost than my ANT Roadster, with a similar reach to those long 
Bosco Bars. This tells me that the Riv listing is a bit conservative, 
'cause I've no doubt I could fit that proto. You are quite correct in your 
advice about who should be looking at those frames. 

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 5:49:21 PM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:

 Hi Joe --not saying you're wrong, but I'm 5'2 and I do believe that's the 
 same bike as the one I'm riding in the photo. The description says 80 pbh 
 and I'm 76 but truly I t did not feel too big. I'm just saying 1) someone 
 5'3/5'4 could get away with it and 2) I know way more women read this 
 listserv than post and that they/we tend to be shorter and so I just want 
 to encourage them/us.

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[RBW] Re: Stop Breaking Things

2015-03-02 Thread BSWP
SMAFU Haiku! :clap

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 3:33:33 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Broke a saddle -- SMAFU
 Ride started late -- SMAFU
 BART made it later -- SMAFU
 no real plans -- SMAFU
 made it up on the way -- SMAFU
 good climbing -- SMAFU
 overtightened parts -- SMAFU
 constant pounding -- SMAFU
 trail repair tested with DH action -- SMAFU
 Shell Ridge Xtra credit -- SMAFU
 watermelon stoppage -- SMAFU


 On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 10:42:21 AM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Broke a saddle on the last ride.

 Not mine. Emily's. Let me start from the beginning...

 Sunday Funday Ride started really late. 10ish which meant more like 
 1030ish. 
 Bart was running late so really ride started 11ish.

 Had no real plans actually was planning on making up the ride as we went. 
 Luckily Nic came by and knew all the good routes.

 All good climbing too. Somehow on the climb up to the top Emily felt that 
 her saddle was getting really flexy. Then snap. Right through the rails. 
 Could of happened from tightening the rails too much or from constant 
 pounding.

 Just goes to show you nothing last forever.  3ish years is a good run on 
 a comfortable saddle just saying. 

 Wilson had a similar issue in the same location we just moved the saddle 
 forward and clamped the broken part in between the saddle clamp and bingo 
 good enough for some DH action. 

 We rode some more extra credit into Shell Ridge and stopped in at Nic 
 place for some watermelon stoppage. 

 All good times overall just 3 hours of riding. Short ones are good ones.

 Pictures Proved that you can pack really good riding in only 3 hours:
 https://flic.kr/s/aHsk8jTd8K

 Manny Breaking things is normal Acosta




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[RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread iamkeith
I'm in over my head here , but hopefully someone else can help.

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[RBW] Re: Naked cotton tape

2015-03-02 Thread Anton Tutter
I know we're talking about cotton here, but on my more modern builds (all 
my vintage builds get cotton) I switched to Fizik Microtex.  It's amazing 
stuff. It has the feel (and look) of perforated leather without the slimy 
slippery feeling of real leather when it gets wet.  It's not spongy like 
cork tape. And it cleans with a sponge and some dilute soap. It seems to 
last forever. I like it so much I'm tempted to use it on my vintage builds.

Anton



On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 5:40:34 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Last year when I got the QB, I intentionally rode it shellac free, then 
 with a single layer of shellac. Here s what I noted about the differences, 
 especially prevalent/noticeable the rougher the road/trail is. Shellac is:

 -- rougher on my hands, causing blisters on multi-mile rough descents.
 -- less grippy when wet (from sweat or rain).

 So this is the year of going shellac free and seeing what happens. Grin.

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: march cycling challenge?

2015-03-02 Thread Joe Bernard
Hmm, I like this idea. My work schedule has been insane lately, which has 
led to very little riding. There's two days a week I definitely can't ride, 
but I should be able to make the 24-day plan work. 30-60 minutes a day for 
24 days doesn't sound like much, but in my current world it's actually a 
bit of a challenge, and one I tend to blow off. Yes, I can fit 30-60 in, 
but only just. I needed this push..I'm in! Thanks for finding this, Jim.

Joe just get out there and ride Bernard
Vallejo, CA. 

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 http://eprider.blogspot.com/2015/03/march-madness-30-day-cycling-challenge.html

 I know this is someone on this list, but I don't remember whom.  

 I thought April was the big month for cycling challenges, or at least 
 that's what I've been seeing on Facebook.

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[RBW] Early 56cm Atlantis on LA/OC Craigslist

2015-03-02 Thread sameness
Nice build. No affiliation.

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/4911285981.html

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread Reid
Thanks a lot Jeff! The CTRL F5 on Windows worked great. Now I can see what 
everyone's talking about.

Reid

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 7:53:46 PM UTC-8, sameness wrote:

 In most cases, it's CTRL + F5 for Windows and Linux, and CMD + Shift + R 
 for Mac. Pre-emptive admission that I'm sure there's more than three cases 
 where I'm wrong.

 Note you're performing these keystrokes while on the specific page you're 
 attempting to reload. Clearing the entire browser cache is a whole 'nother 
 thing. Google.

 Jeff Hagedorn
 Los Angeles, CA USA



 On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 7:18:01 PM UTC-8, Reid wrote:

 My computer must also be caching old pages. How do I go about un-caching 
 pages? Thanks for any help!

 Reid



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[RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread sameness
In most cases, it's CTRL + F5 for Windows and Linux, and CMD + Shift + R 
for Mac. Pre-emptive admission that I'm sure there's more than three cases 
where I'm wrong.

Note you're performing these keystrokes while on the specific page you're 
attempting to reload. Clearing the entire browser cache is a whole 'nother 
thing. Google.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA



On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 7:18:01 PM UTC-8, Reid wrote:

 My computer must also be caching old pages. How do I go about un-caching 
 pages? Thanks for any help!

 Reid


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[RBW] Re: Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread iamkeith
Me too!  Though I'm gathering that they wont have quite the tire clearance that 
the Clem and Mystery Bikes had.   I'll probably end up buying a Clem in the 
meantime anyway, and seeing if the lack of clearance bothers me.  Funny thing 
is that the price isn't the most compelling part of the bike to me by a long 
shot.  I'd really just like to have the Riv ride quality in a fat tire, and I 
cant ignore all the praise for the long chainstays.

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Re: [RBW] Naked cotton tape

2015-03-02 Thread lungimsam
What... No one here uses merino wool bartape?!?!?!

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[RBW] Re: Noodle to Albatross Conversion - Final Questions

2015-03-02 Thread John
How much does actually need to abuse their handlebars to need the aluminum 
over the CrMo bars?  

When I ordered my Hunq, I thought Riv said weight was the only difference. 

I don't remember seeing anything about the aluminum bars being preferred 
for gravel or fire roads.

SurlyProf / John, have you tried using a torque wrench to tighten the stem? 
Did you bars still move?

Thanks,

John





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[RBW] march cycling challenge?

2015-03-02 Thread Jim Bronson
http://eprider.blogspot.com/2015/03/march-madness-30-day-cycling-challenge.html

I know this is someone on this list, but I don't remember whom.

I thought April was the big month for cycling challenges, or at least
that's what I've been seeing on Facebook.

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[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-03-02 Thread John
This all reminds me I personally need to be WAY MORE tolerant  WAY MORE 
patient and give everyone the benefit of the doubt that they may just be 
having a bad day, or I just don't understand where they are coming from.

Besides, my Hawaiian shirts, Luxos headlight, 2 sets of MonkeyLectric 
Monkey Lights, 3 flashing rear lights, and tendency to whistle the tunes 
from Close Encounters or the X-Files as I ride through my neighborhood must 
annoy someone.

John

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[RBW] Re: OT:Is your bippy frozen?

2015-03-02 Thread Garth

It's always Summer !  It's the One and only Season .

There is Summer, Summer fall-ing asleep, Summer sleeping and Summer 
spring-ing awake ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Solvent tank for drivetrain cleaning

2015-03-02 Thread Brian Campbell
Marc, Home Depot has them in the paint section. It is a bucket designed for 
holding paint.  It is white plastic.

On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 8:23:19 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:

 Where did you find a bucket with a lid tight enough to prevent the WD-40 
 from evaporating?

 Marc

 On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 11:58:15 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I use a 2 gallon plastic bucket (has a tight fitting lid) and fill with 
 WD-40. I have a small parts bucket that fits inside. In 5 years, I have had 
 to add about a half a gallon of WD-40. Works really well.
  

 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 8:19:30 PM UTC-5, KenP wrote:

 Has anyone thought of using an old crockpot to soak parts in?

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 1:35:22 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Does anyone have a solvent tank for drivetrain parts cleaning?  That 
 seems like the ultimate solution for cleaning greasy parts.  It would be 
 nice to have two chains and just leave one in there all the time.

 The drawbacks are, potential fumes in an enclosed area and they're 
 expensive.

 I found this one on Amazon but it's $205...

 http://www.amazon.com/Gallon-Pressure-Cleaner-Solvent-Electric/dp/B0029443HG

 Plus 20 gallons of solvent, may put this in the category of maybe 
 someday

 I also do some work on my cars though and it would be nice to have for 
 that as well.  So maybe the dual use will justify it ;)

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[RBW] Re: OT:Is your bippy frozen?

2015-03-02 Thread jeffrey kane
At this point I'd kill for a relatively dry day forecast above 40. As of now it 
looks like I'll be sporting a noodly pair of legs (at best) come the start of 
spring here in NYC. 

Bey hey -- we can't complain about the skiing, at least!

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Re: [RBW] OT:Is your bippy frozen?

2015-03-02 Thread Ron Mc
in the case of Texas, it's not the heat (cold), it's the humidity - holding 
at 32 with light rain is cold that gets through your layers - even 
permeates the house.  

On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 8:10:49 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Can you send some BTUs to Texas also?  It hasn't gotten over 45 in like 
 4-5 days.  The average high for March 1 is 68.  I had to call off the 200K 
 I was hosting yesterday due to Winter Storm Warning for freezing rain 
 overnight lasting until noon Saturday.

 I think I'm finally going to have to bundle up and go ride, it's 40.6 and 
 I'm hoping the rain has finally stopped.

 On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Michael Hechmer mhec...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 I hope your bippy hasn't frozen to the saddle.  Here in Westford Vermont 
 its cold.  My kitchen thermometer hasn't broken freezing since Jan 4th.  At 
 the town weather station, which is up hill from me and thus  10-15 degrees 
 warmer than our kitchen thermometer gets down to  on the really cold 
 nights, they recorded average temperature for Feb.of just 6 degrees, with 
 twenty nights below zero.  We personally recorded 4 nights with 
 temperatures below minus 20, including this one last Monday.




 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mzHQ-kK1UpQ/VPMcX4DhzdI/A4A/p1Qr4eWZFDE/s1600/IMG_0570.jpg

 March hasn't exactly gotten off to a great start either.  Minus 10 this 
 morning.  Fortunately I have a good wood stove and radiant floor heat, but 
 it hasn't been much fun being outdoors.

 It would be much appreciated if those of you in Ca. would send us a few 
 BTUs.

 Michael

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[RBW] Re: A Roadeo rider in Arizona

2015-03-02 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
A merging of two of my primary interests!  

You probably know this but I doubt many other people reading this thread 
do, but Billy the Kid killed his first man at Fort Grant, near Mt. Graham. 
 This killing is what led him to change his name to William H. Bonney.  He 
fled Fort Grant and returned to New Mexico and made history.  



On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 4:17:11 PM UTC-6, reynoldslugs wrote:

 Took a few days off to hit some mountains in Arizona, on the Roadeo.  Pics 
 prove it happened:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157651100198232/

 Mt. Graham is a little over 9,000 feet at the top.  The views were worth 
 it.

 enjoy,

 Max Beach
 Sonoma County CA


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[RBW] Re: New bike day

2015-03-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
Congratulations! Bikes are good for fantastic sleep! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 9:01:19 AM UTC-7, Kenneth Cote wrote:

 Samuel Hillborne delivered to work Friday. Put together Saturday morning 
 with only one spare part. 8 mile shakedown Saturday and 15 miles on the 
 Foothills trail on Sunday. Something rubbing occasionally on the front. 
 I'll check the fender again. First full nights sleep I've had in months.


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Re: [RBW] fs/t

2015-03-02 Thread lukeheller
What's slightly bigger? 
My 63cm canti-rom continues to  be neglected.
Note: 63cm is c-t. 
58.5cm top tube, c-c
63cm seat tube, c-t

On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 9:15:28 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Are you located in Australia?  Please advise.

 ;)

 On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 8:12 AM, 'freedom' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote:

 riv Romulus 56 blue vg cond- looking to sell or trade for slightly bigger 
 riv, Paul in Salisbury md

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[RBW] Re: Solvent tank for drivetrain cleaning

2015-03-02 Thread Beth H

I went digging to find out the status of El Duke degreaser. Since Rivendell 
sells it, I contacted them. Here's what Spencer told me: 

Hi Beth-
The El Duke guy quit making the stuff for a year or so a couple years ago.  
Then he moved to WC and we convinced him to start making it again.  
I think Riv is the one and only place to get it since he does not have the 
time to distribute it all by himself (the El Duke project is a side job).

So there you have it. It's now a smaller side project, and available ONLY 
through RBW in 12 oz. bottles.

Still worth it, if you ask me.

Beth H. 



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[RBW] Re: Renewing a Canvas and Leather Bag

2015-03-02 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
As other's stated, Berthoud Bags are not waxed.  Doesn't mean you can't. 
 But, it will change the feel and look of the bag.

Regarding the technique...

https://vimeo.com/8025058

- Jim cyclofiend.com

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[RBW] Re: Noodle to Albatross Conversion - Final Questions

2015-03-02 Thread Surlyprof
I prefer the cromo bars as I found the aluminum bars to be a little 
stiffer.  I had problems with them staying in place when I hit a bump with 
my weight on them.  They rotated down on me.  The cromo bars felt a little 
smoother and I liked that they appeared to blend visually with the Nitto 
stem and other components.  The aluminum ones were brighter and colder 
looking.

John

On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 10:29:08 AM UTC-8, SeanMac wrote:

 I've spent quite a bit of time this winter contemplating a project to 
 convert my early 1990 Trek 520 Touring bike to a more upright, around 
 town bike.  The bike is all set with fenders and racks.  The next step is 
 to replace the Noodles with Albatross bars. Here are my questions.

 First, given that I have absolutely no concern about the weight of this 
 bike, is there any reason NOT to to buy the $68 CrMo Albas that Riv 
 offers?  Since this bike will be ridden on roads only, I can't see any 
 reason to spend $90 to buy the lighter and stronger heat treated aluminum 
 version of the Alba.

 Secondly, I am curious if anyone has used the Shimano MTB brake lever that 
 Rivendell sells.  It seems like a good, solid, relatively nice-looking 
 brake lever.  I will be using it to pull Tektro 559 sidepull brakes.

 Thanks for your thoughts.

 Sean


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[RBW] FS: Racks! Front rear / Tubus Bruce Gordon

2015-03-02 Thread Jack K
Hi,

I have several front and rear racks I'd like to sell, along with quite a 
bit of other stuff as well. I was laid off effective last Friday, so 
suddenly my desire to convert my excess bike bits into cash is much 
increased!  BTW, if anyone knows of a position for an experienced 
operations research professional (extensive background in mathematical 
optimization and simulation), please let me know!

Racks currently on offer (prices do not include shipping, which will be at 
cost and can be determined after packing):

1) New, never installed, Bruce Gordon front lowrider rack, as seen here: 
http://www.bgcycles.com/racks.html
Unopened bag of attachment hardware still taped to the rack. One of the 
finest lowrider racks available, nicer construction than Tubus IMO. $185 on 
BG's website or $145 from Jack's garage.

2) Used Bruce Gordon rear rack with all mounting hardware. Rack itself is 
very good condition, but the generic mounting bolts are not stainless and 
are no longer shiny. See it here:
http://www.bgcycles.com/new-page-14/
$208 from Bruce Gordon, say $130. 

3) New Tubus Cosmo stainless rear rack (with low-ish rider mounts). 
Installed on a Waterford touring bike I was building, then removed without 
ever having a pannier mounted on it. Original version of the Cosmo, so 
looks like this:
http://www.therandonneeshop.com/medi...ubus_Cosmo.jpg 
http://www.therandonneeshop.com/media/238/Tubus_Cosmo.jpg
Included is the $13 Tubus Lower Rack Mounting Kit, which can be used to 
position the rack slightly further back to increase clearance for heels or 
disc brakes, or help on bikes with normal length chainstays. $210+$13=$223 
is cheapest online price I see; say $170 for everything.

I'll be posting gobs more stuff in the near future. Next up will be a 
collection of jerseys, including wool by Rapha and Castelli.  

Cheers and safe riding!

-Jack 

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[RBW] Re: Renewing a Canvas and Leather Bag

2015-03-02 Thread William deRosset
Dear Eric,

The Berthoud bags aren't waxed. The differential fading on the canvas is 
part of its charm. However, the leather should be kept treated.

I've historically used sno-seal or Obenaufs. Blow-dry the bag enough to 
heat the leather a bit, then carefully apply to the piping and edging. 
You'll probably need a small brush to do it accurately, and throwing the 
treatment in a double boiler or (carefully) in the microwave to melt it in 
its plastic tin doesn't hurt either. 

Try to keep it off of the canvas, as it will stain. A Berthoud bag will be 
waterproof as long as the top vinyl map pocket cover isn't cracked and 
you're using fenders to keep road lime from saturating the bag, and it will 
be highly water resistant otherwise. I've never soaked anything carried in 
one in over twenty years of using their products. 

Any competent tack shop can replace the window material, which will 
eventually crack in cold weather if used outside year-round. For maximum 
aesthetic appeal you'll want to use an awl and re-sew the top yourself to 
match the existing holes in the leather.  Unfortunately, the Berthoud bags 
apparently don't use UV-stabilized vinyl, and their material choice seems 
to prioritize flexibility over durability. There are marine-supply places 
that sell boat window material (Strataglass is one brand that I've used) 
that is very, very durable for cycling conditions, if a hassle to sew with, 
and I'd seek out a scrap once the window cracks. Typical fabric-store stuff 
will not last more than a year or two years, and a Berthoud is a long-term 
investment.

Best,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO


On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:47:14 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:

 I have become the owner of a somewhat *beausaged* Berthoud bag, and I 
 wonder if this group might have suggestions for making it look somewhat 
 newer. Should I throw it in the washing machine? Scrub it with a brush? And 
 then what? Rewax it?

 Thanks in advance!

 --Eric N
 www.CampyOnly.com
 CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
 Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy


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[RBW] New bike day

2015-03-02 Thread Kenneth Cote
Samuel Hillborne delivered to work Friday. Put together Saturday morning 
with only one spare part. 8 mile shakedown Saturday and 15 miles on the 
Foothills trail on Sunday. Something rubbing occasionally on the front. 
I'll check the fender again. First full nights sleep I've had in months.

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[RBW] FS - 54cm Samuel Hillborne plus

2015-03-02 Thread Jim Bailey
The subject says it. I bought this frame in late October and built it up in 
early November. BUT, shoulder problems have kept me from riding it except 
circuits of my driveway as a shake-down after building.

It's built with a Sugino XD crank (175mm) with 34/46 rings, Old school 
Shimano XT rear derailleur and FSA compact front, Peter White - built 
wheels with XTR hubs  Mavic Open Sport rims, Ritchey 120mm stem and 
Albatross bars. Shifters are Ultegra bar-ends on Paul Thumbies. The 
seatpost is the Kalloy that came with the frame. The brakes are Paul Racer 
centerpulls (black).

I'll sell it complete for $1700 or negotiate a frame-plus-parts deal with a 
serious buyer. Shipping will be actual FedEx Ground from Knoxville, TN. 
Pictures are forthcoming.

I'm selling to cover the deductible for shoulder surgery.

Please inquire off-list.

Thanks,

Jim

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[RBW] Re: OT:Is your bippy frozen?

2015-03-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
Just to get a look of disgruntlement from Ron, we're sunny, 28˚F, 100% 
humidity, multiple layers of snow on the trail, and it was t-shirt weather 
for my ride this morning. Grin. Grit, grime, snow, slush and ice is good 
for the drivetrain, right? Building character and strength? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick


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[RBW] Re: Meisha's cork grips getting shorter

2015-03-02 Thread Ron Mc
btw, I used shellac on the twine wrap, but I'm using spar varnish on the 
cork grips.  It only has 3 coats in my photo, but will get 6-7 total and 
will have the same sheen as my daughter's grips.  
The varnish remains flexible (vs. shellac), and the cork remains squeezy.  

On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 7:56:18 PM UTC-6, frank_a wrote:

 Sorry, on a re-read I see that you did give an opinion. 
  F.

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[RBW] Naked cotton tape

2015-03-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
I much prefer the feel of un-shellacked cotton bar tape. Softer, better grip on 
jouncy trails, better sweat absorption. Until it is gunky. Any way to retain 
the feel of unfinished cotton tape longer, other than “it’s so cheep, just tape 
over it when needed”?

With abandon,
Patrick

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www.OurHolyConception.org

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[RBW] Stop Breaking Things

2015-03-02 Thread Manuel Acosta
Broke a saddle on the last ride.

Not mine. Emily's. Let me start from the beginning...

Sunday Funday Ride started really late. 10ish which meant more like 
1030ish. 
Bart was running late so really ride started 11ish.

Had no real plans actually was planning on making up the ride as we went. 
Luckily Nic came by and knew all the good routes.

All good climbing too. Somehow on the climb up to the top Emily felt that 
her saddle was getting really flexy. Then snap. Right through the rails. 
Could of happened from tightening the rails too much or from constant 
pounding.

Just goes to show you nothing last forever.  3ish years is a good run on a 
comfortable saddle just saying. 

Wilson had a similar issue in the same location we just moved the saddle 
forward and clamped the broken part in between the saddle clamp and bingo 
good enough for some DH action. 

We rode some more extra credit into Shell Ridge and stopped in at Nic place 
for some watermelon stoppage. 

All good times overall just 3 hours of riding. Short ones are good ones.

Pictures Proved that you can pack really good riding in only 3 hours:
https://flic.kr/s/aHsk8jTd8K

Manny Breaking things is normal Acosta


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[RBW] Re: Naked cotton tape

2015-03-02 Thread Anton Tutter
Agreed, I like the feel of untreated cotton, and agree that it becomes 
grungy fast. Don't know how to deal with that without destroying the tape. 
I also notice that the edges curl after awhile. Sorry I don't have a 
solution, but I do agree about the qualities of unfinished cotton.

Anton


On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 11:50:39 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 I much prefer the feel of un-shellacked cotton bar tape. Softer, better 
 grip on jouncy trails, better sweat absorption. Until it is gunky. Any way 
 to retain the feel of unfinished cotton tape longer, other than “it’s so 
 cheep, just tape over it when needed”?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
 *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Naked cotton tape

2015-03-02 Thread Eric Norris
Back in the day, the pros of course started each stage of a multi-day race with 
fresh, white tape. You obviously need a mechanic and a soigneur to take care of 
those things for you.

—Eric N
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 On Mar 2, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Agreed, I like the feel of untreated cotton, and agree that it becomes grungy 
 fast. Don't know how to deal with that without destroying the tape. I also 
 notice that the edges curl after awhile. Sorry I don't have a solution, but I 
 do agree about the qualities of unfinished cotton.
 
 Anton
 
 
 On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 11:50:39 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
 I much prefer the feel of un-shellacked cotton bar tape. Softer, better grip 
 on jouncy trails, better sweat absorption. Until it is gunky. Any way to 
 retain the feel of unfinished cotton tape longer, other than “it’s so cheep, 
 just tape over it when needed”?
 
 With abandon,
 Patrick
 
 www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.mindyourheadcoop.org/
 www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.ourholyconception.org/
 
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RE: [RBW] Someone buy one of those long bikes!

2015-03-02 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Emphatic +1.  I’m one of the early adopters who bought this bike at $4,000+, 
and it is one of the smoothest, most comfortable bikes I’ve ever ridden.  But 
the handling is still very responsive.  Plus the offbeat appearance, with the 
asymmetrical tentacular midstays, is a great conversation-starter.  Great deal!

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Liesl
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 2:51 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Someone buy one of those long bikes!

Oh my goodness they are a steal!  I rode the 52 and it changed my thinking 
about a custom by about 180 degrees!  I couldn't stop smiling!  If you've 
thought about a longbike and are are short to medium height, GRAB it.  I just 
saw the bigger blue frame-only on the website for $1100 but it disappeared 
within the time it took to begin this post. Someone be bold and make a home for 
one!

As an aside, I bought a proto frame way back in 2007—a proto bleriot.  Set it 
up as a single.  I love that bike and would have no reservations whatsoever 
about getting a proto; I mean the discount is crazy good and the product...it's 
still a Riv, rest assured.  My proto compared to my Saluki has longer 
chainstays (yay) and less tire clearance (boo but still takes a 38 with fenders 
so not a big boo).

Here are images of me on the proto in 2013 and my proto-inspired custom in 2015!

Anyway, why is the 52 still sitting on the website?

-rcw
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