[RBW] Re: LHT vs Clem ??

[drew beckmeyer]

here is our first family photo with the 46 clem and 54 hunqapillar on a 
late night trip. laid back, long and stout.




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Re: [RBW] need help troubleshooting my eyc dyno light and sp hub combo

[Eric Norris]

Have you checked that the wires were (and still are) correctly assembled into 
the plug, and they’re making proper contact with the hub?

—Eric


> On Mar 22, 2015, at 7:04 PM, 'joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> i got the Shutter Precision SV-8 Dynamo Hub 36h 
>  and B&M Eyc Dyno 
> Headlight  from rivendell for 
> christmas. i had the hub built into a wheel here in columbus ohio. the 
> light/wheel combo worked perfectly in my living room and on a short test 
> ride, but now a few days later has suddenly stopped working. this is my first 
> dyno hub/light. anyone have a similar experience or suggestions?
> thanks for your time
> joe kelly
> columbus ohio
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Re: [RBW] S3X hub for one of my Rivs; particular question about QR-type shifting setup.

[Philip Williamson]

I'm with Eric. I simply found that for my riding, I preferred the direct drive 
feel of a fixed wheel more than the convenience of onboard shifting.

As far as an easy on and off, I used my seat stay rack boss and a longer bolt 
to mount the thumb shifter. Pictures in my flickr and blog (search S3X), but I 
don't trust the phone to save the msg while I find them.

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[RBW] Re: I test rode the Clem

[dougP]

"I dunno. If everyone on these lists was "just riding" the discussions 
would get stale really fast. "

Will:  You're right about that.  My idea was that, amongst our collection 
of bikes, we should have one bike that was a "just ride" bike.  Heck, I'm a 
minimalist & I've got 3 bikes, all of which have perfectly good 
justification.  

I've learned a tremendous amount on this list about bicycle technology, and 
of course have my own hot button topics I love to over-think.  It's great 
good fun as well as educational.  Hopefully a Madison area Legolas will 
surface, looking for a new home.  

dougP

On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 2:49:19 PM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>
> I dunno. If everyone on these lists was "just riding" the discussions 
> would get stale really fast. 
>
> I enjoy learning about the more esoteric issues: 9-6-9 vs 7-5-7. 650 vs. 
> 559. Dynamo vs. battery. High vs. Low trail. The technology behind bicycles 
> fascinates.  
>
> Mostly I wonder when lightning will strike and someone will post a Legolas 
> F.S. in Madison. :-) 
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 3:06:30 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> " Who cares what butt lengths you have when that's what you are doing on 
>> your bike? "
>>
>> Bill, that's a brilliant closing to an excellent post.  The idea the Clem 
>> is the "just ride" bike from Rivendell seems spot on.  Perhaps we should 
>> all have one bike that's our "just ride" bike.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 9:08:03 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The Clem rides like a Rivendell, meaning very nicely.  It's stout like 
>>> my Bombadil, but definitely more laid back and cruiserish.  
>>>
>>> The thing that the Clem does for me is more about me.  I'm a super 
>>> detailed bike builder.  I'm extremely proud of many of my builds, and I 
>>> dwell on them a lot.  I'm always thinking of ways to make my numerous 
>>> perfect bikes more perfecter.  The Clem feels to me like it is giving me 
>>> permission to just get on my bike and ride, and not think so dang hard 
>>> about stuff.  I probably won't buy a complete Clem, but Riv will have a 
>>> standard build of complete Clems.  Those bikes, I'm completely convinced, 
>>> could make me completely happy, and that would be the first off-the-rack 
>>> complete bike that could do that since I was 12.  That's magic, to me.  
>>>
>>> I imagine folks who can afford an Atlantis, but can't make themselves 
>>> ride a $4500 bicycle roughly without stressing out about it, so they don't 
>>> buy one or can't enjoy it.  The Clem is so darn inexpensive and so begging 
>>> to be used, that those people will have permission to go out and have fun 
>>> and not worry about it.  That's fantastic.  
>>>
>>> I also imagine folks who cannot afford an Atlantis, and lurk on the 
>>> boards all the time waiting to get one second hand, and have put all the 
>>> mental and emotional energy into a perfect bike that I've done.  I imagine 
>>> those people now see a Clem as their way to get something that is an 
>>> affordable way to get a perfect bike.  I imagine those people wanting to 
>>> pore over the geo-charts and worry about stem length and 8sp vs 9 and 
>>> butt-lengths etc.  Those people I'm afraid might be frustrated by the 
>>> process.  The Clem is the Clem.  The details that don't matter, don't 
>>> matter.  The Clem is not to be swooned over, dwelled on.  The Clem gets me 
>>> back to the idea of dwelling on the memorable things I'm going to do on a 
>>> bike, rather than dwelling on the bike itself.  
>>>
>>> I may not buy one, because I'm already doing a Clem build the hard way 
>>> (I always do things the hard way).  A mid 80s lugged mountain bike is at 
>>> the framebuilder now getting a bunch of braze-ons.  The build is 
>>> Clem-like.  If I bought a Clem, I think it would be so I have a pair of 
>>> camping bikes so me and a companion can get out of Dodge any time and 
>>> campout.  The thought of doing that already has me excited.  I get home 
>>> from work on a summer Friday.  The Giants game is about to start.  "Henry, 
>>> let's bounce!"  We jump on the Paramountain and the Clem, with the AM 
>>> radio, and gear, and drop into Wildcat, Briones, Tilden, Chabot, you name 
>>> it.  We camp out, listen to the ball game, contemplate the stars, and come 
>>> back in the morning, new men.  Who cares what butt lengths you have when 
>>> that's what you are doing on your bike? 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 9:49:03 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:

 Bill,

 How'd it compare to the other Rivs you own?  You appear to have enough 
 to be considered a reliable authority.

 John

 On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 12:21:27 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I rolled by RBW HQ this morning and got to test ride a 52cm Clem. 
>  I've always felt lucky that I'm pretty much exactly Grant-sized.  Turns 
> out today I got to ride Grant's Clem prototype, and didn't even have to 
> change sa

[RBW] Re: Lil' Tour, Sam Style

[Edwin W]

Doug,
Thanks for the kind words and advice! I've gotten much of both from this group, 
which made the trip possible. 

Edwin

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[RBW] need help troubleshooting my eyc dyno light and sp hub combo

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

i got the Shutter Precision SV-8 Dynamo Hub 36h 
 and B&M Eyc Dyno 
Headlight  from rivendell for 
christmas. i had the hub built into a wheel here in columbus ohio. the 
light/wheel combo worked perfectly in my living room and on a short test 
ride, but now a few days later has suddenly stopped working. this is my 
first dyno hub/light. anyone have a similar experience or suggestions?
thanks for your time
joe kelly
columbus ohio

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[RBW] Re: brake advice

[Dave Johnston]

I think the 720's are great if you swap pads to Kool Stop. The CX-70 are 
also great even with the stock shimano pads. I actually like the Shimano 
straddle wire thing but I couldn't use it on the front because of the nitto 
rack strut.


On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 6:00:20 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:
>
> I have a new-to-me Atlantis that needs brakes. I've just installed P65 
> Longboards and am thinking about either Paul Touring Cantilevers or Paul 
> Mini-Motos. 
>
> Any/all experience is solicited. I want to get this right. 
>
> Thanks
>
> Will
>

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[RBW] Re: Lil' Tour, Sam Style

[dougP]

Edwin:

Your hodge-podge of luggage seemed to work out all right.  Good on you for 
not being held back by not knowing what you need.  The best lessons are the 
ones we learn by doing.  No doubt you found things you didn't need and 
others that you'd like to have had.  The important things is you know you 
can go out for a few days & enjoy yourself with what you had.  

If you're thinking of a front rack, look at the Tubus Tara.  Tubus makes 
all sorts of adapters so it may be possible to bolt it on even though your 
fork doesn't have enough eyelets.  The Nitto big front rack that Rivendell 
sells can also be fitted up with clamps.  

dougP

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 11:53:01 AM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I took my first little tour with my Sam. Mileage was a little much for my 
> cycling condition in these TN rolling hills, but I had a good time. They 
> wouldn't let me move the parks I wanted to go to closer. 
> Patrick, I tied a large shop sack on my back rack. 
> Here is a little write up: 
> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/2015MidTN 
>
> When I returned, my friend was in shock in how wasteful I was with my 
> weight, like leaving on my trail a bike hitch and child seat attachment. 
>
> What are the "wasteful" or luxury items you take on a tour despite the 
> weight? My main one was the Grundens poncho: big and relatively heavy, but 
> I "enjoyed" it on the way home in the rain. 
>
> Got a lot of tips from this group along the way and used many riv things: 
> Poncho, MUSA shorts and pants, riv cap, Sam Hillborne, little esbit 
> alcohol cube stove, folding saw (didn't need that), etc... 
> Got me hankering for a nice set of touring panniers. 
> Edwin

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[RBW] Re: I test rode the Clem

[Will]

I dunno. If everyone on these lists was "just riding" the discussions would 
get stale really fast. 

I enjoy learning about the more esoteric issues: 9-6-9 vs 7-5-7. 650 vs. 
559. Dynamo vs. battery. High vs. Low trail. The technology behind bicycles 
fascinates.  

Mostly I wonder when lightning will strike and someone will post a Legolas 
F.S. in Madison. :-) 




On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 3:06:30 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> " Who cares what butt lengths you have when that's what you are doing on 
> your bike? "
>
> Bill, that's a brilliant closing to an excellent post.  The idea the Clem 
> is the "just ride" bike from Rivendell seems spot on.  Perhaps we should 
> all have one bike that's our "just ride" bike.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 9:08:03 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> The Clem rides like a Rivendell, meaning very nicely.  It's stout like my 
>> Bombadil, but definitely more laid back and cruiserish.  
>>
>> The thing that the Clem does for me is more about me.  I'm a super 
>> detailed bike builder.  I'm extremely proud of many of my builds, and I 
>> dwell on them a lot.  I'm always thinking of ways to make my numerous 
>> perfect bikes more perfecter.  The Clem feels to me like it is giving me 
>> permission to just get on my bike and ride, and not think so dang hard 
>> about stuff.  I probably won't buy a complete Clem, but Riv will have a 
>> standard build of complete Clems.  Those bikes, I'm completely convinced, 
>> could make me completely happy, and that would be the first off-the-rack 
>> complete bike that could do that since I was 12.  That's magic, to me.  
>>
>> I imagine folks who can afford an Atlantis, but can't make themselves 
>> ride a $4500 bicycle roughly without stressing out about it, so they don't 
>> buy one or can't enjoy it.  The Clem is so darn inexpensive and so begging 
>> to be used, that those people will have permission to go out and have fun 
>> and not worry about it.  That's fantastic.  
>>
>> I also imagine folks who cannot afford an Atlantis, and lurk on the 
>> boards all the time waiting to get one second hand, and have put all the 
>> mental and emotional energy into a perfect bike that I've done.  I imagine 
>> those people now see a Clem as their way to get something that is an 
>> affordable way to get a perfect bike.  I imagine those people wanting to 
>> pore over the geo-charts and worry about stem length and 8sp vs 9 and 
>> butt-lengths etc.  Those people I'm afraid might be frustrated by the 
>> process.  The Clem is the Clem.  The details that don't matter, don't 
>> matter.  The Clem is not to be swooned over, dwelled on.  The Clem gets me 
>> back to the idea of dwelling on the memorable things I'm going to do on a 
>> bike, rather than dwelling on the bike itself.  
>>
>> I may not buy one, because I'm already doing a Clem build the hard way (I 
>> always do things the hard way).  A mid 80s lugged mountain bike is at the 
>> framebuilder now getting a bunch of braze-ons.  The build is Clem-like.  If 
>> I bought a Clem, I think it would be so I have a pair of camping bikes so 
>> me and a companion can get out of Dodge any time and campout.  The thought 
>> of doing that already has me excited.  I get home from work on a summer 
>> Friday.  The Giants game is about to start.  "Henry, let's bounce!"  We 
>> jump on the Paramountain and the Clem, with the AM radio, and gear, and 
>> drop into Wildcat, Briones, Tilden, Chabot, you name it.  We camp out, 
>> listen to the ball game, contemplate the stars, and come back in the 
>> morning, new men.  Who cares what butt lengths you have when that's what 
>> you are doing on your bike? 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 9:49:03 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> How'd it compare to the other Rivs you own?  You appear to have enough 
>>> to be considered a reliable authority.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 12:21:27 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I rolled by RBW HQ this morning and got to test ride a 52cm Clem.  I've 
 always felt lucky that I'm pretty much exactly Grant-sized.  Turns out 
 today I got to ride Grant's Clem prototype, and didn't even have to change 
 saddle height.  It's terrific.  It rides how I expected it to ride, 
 meaning 
 it disappeared, made me smile, and made me reluctant to return it to them. 
  

 I don't know if I will pre-order, but if I do, the $150 they are paying 
 me to adopt early will go towards a set of Bosco Bullmooses.  That's the 
 bar for that bike.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA




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[RBW] Narrow Wide Chain Ring on Triple

[Deacon Patrick]

I mentioned this in a different thread, but it seems like it deserves it’s own 
thread (and has been discussed here various places before, which is how I knew 
it might work).

My middle chain ring is now a 38t Raceface narrow wide (only took me four times 
assembling and disassembling it to get all the recessed and pin bits going the 
correct ways! Sardonic grin). I am not running a front derailer, so positioning 
the chain to match the narrow-wide is easy with manual shifting, and I only 
shift to the 24t when bikepacking singletrack.

Initial test ride (ten miles on singletrack and dirt road, half up, half down, 
with a few steepish climbs to crank hard on, and lots of rough trail and 
washboarded fast descents. chain never bounced off (it did with my old rings on 
the rough stuff). We’ll see how it goes on this weeks bikepacking trip — mostly 
dirt roads likely won’t need my 24t.

Thanks for opening me up to this possibility. The chain feels more solid than 
the old ring (but an exact replacement could also feel more solid being new). 

With abandon,
Patrick

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www.OurHolyConception.org

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

[Pondero]

John,

My straw hat is made by Resistol.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas


On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 12:00:15 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
>
> Chris, 
>
> What make is your Stetson?
>
> thanks,
>
> John
>
> On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 6:12:44 AM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:
>>
>> Bringing my shade with me... 
>>
>> http://instagram.com/p/sauukJnPxU/ 
>>
>> Chris Johnson 
>> Sanger, Texas 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Advantages of Multiple-Riv Homes

[Kellie]

Hmmm…. it has a down tubed decal, but I don't know if it's an art deco one. 
I do know the production # is 84, according to the seller. So far wheels 
built, with a cluster; BB, headset, seat post and triple Sugino installed. 
Sitting on my workbench (which I'm sad to say is NOT in the house) are 
derailleurs, Dura-Ace 9 speed shifters, Paul Thumbies, and the stem.  Next 
paycheck, handlebars, brakes and levers.

On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 10:19:31 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Yay Kellie!  Love to see those bronze Saluki badges, which were a special 
> option.  Mine has a pewter headbadge; I think it was maybe $25 more or 
> something like that to have the all metal badges.  It's way cool to have a 
> Saluki—the original Hilson and the first top-tubed 650B! (I think the honor 
> of the very first 650B goes to the Glorious/Wilbury mixtes, right?)
>
> Looks like yours is the original ~peagreen color; does it also have the 
> first-generation art-deco decal on the downtube?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lil' Tour, Sam Style

[René Sterental]

That was awesome!

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Edwin W  wrote:

> DS,
>
> I figured out how to add a map.
> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/page/?o=Sh&page_id=408968&v=7
> Edwin
>
>
> On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 10:48:29 PM UTC-5, DS wrote:
>>
>> Nice! familiar territory for me, makes me a little homesick to see
>> pictures of those rolling TN hills. I graduated from MTSU and lived in
>> Nashville and middle TN for ~10 years. The only bike camping I did was down
>> the Natchez Trace. Is there a link to the route map that you did on that
>> site? Didn't see anything. Fall Creek Falls was also on my list of hikes I
>> meant to do and never did!
>>
>> On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 11:53:01 AM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>>>
>>> I took my first little tour with my Sam. Mileage was a little much for
>>> my cycling condition in these TN rolling hills, but I had a good time. They
>>> wouldn't let me move the parks I wanted to go to closer.
>>> Patrick, I tied a large shop sack on my back rack.
>>> Here is a little write up:
>>> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/2015MidTN
>>>
>>> When I returned, my friend was in shock in how wasteful I was with my
>>> weight, like leaving on my trail a bike hitch and child seat attachment.
>>>
>>> What are the "wasteful" or luxury items you take on a tour despite the
>>> weight? My main one was the Grundens poncho: big and relatively heavy, but
>>> I "enjoyed" it on the way home in the rain.
>>>
>>> Got a lot of tips from this group along the way and used many riv
>>> things:
>>> Poncho, MUSA shorts and pants, riv cap, Sam Hillborne, little esbit
>>> alcohol cube stove, folding saw (didn't need that), etc...
>>> Got me hankering for a nice set of touring panniers.
>>> Edwin
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

[Patrick Moore]

Hair!

Patrick "ain't got no money, but I got hair!" Moore

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[RBW] Re: I test rode the Clem

[dougP]

" Who cares what butt lengths you have when that's what you are doing on 
your bike? "

Bill, that's a brilliant closing to an excellent post.  The idea the Clem 
is the "just ride" bike from Rivendell seems spot on.  Perhaps we should 
all have one bike that's our "just ride" bike.  

dougP

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 9:08:03 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The Clem rides like a Rivendell, meaning very nicely.  It's stout like my 
> Bombadil, but definitely more laid back and cruiserish.  
>
> The thing that the Clem does for me is more about me.  I'm a super 
> detailed bike builder.  I'm extremely proud of many of my builds, and I 
> dwell on them a lot.  I'm always thinking of ways to make my numerous 
> perfect bikes more perfecter.  The Clem feels to me like it is giving me 
> permission to just get on my bike and ride, and not think so dang hard 
> about stuff.  I probably won't buy a complete Clem, but Riv will have a 
> standard build of complete Clems.  Those bikes, I'm completely convinced, 
> could make me completely happy, and that would be the first off-the-rack 
> complete bike that could do that since I was 12.  That's magic, to me.  
>
> I imagine folks who can afford an Atlantis, but can't make themselves ride 
> a $4500 bicycle roughly without stressing out about it, so they don't buy 
> one or can't enjoy it.  The Clem is so darn inexpensive and so begging to 
> be used, that those people will have permission to go out and have fun and 
> not worry about it.  That's fantastic.  
>
> I also imagine folks who cannot afford an Atlantis, and lurk on the boards 
> all the time waiting to get one second hand, and have put all the mental 
> and emotional energy into a perfect bike that I've done.  I imagine those 
> people now see a Clem as their way to get something that is an affordable 
> way to get a perfect bike.  I imagine those people wanting to pore over the 
> geo-charts and worry about stem length and 8sp vs 9 and butt-lengths etc.  
> Those people I'm afraid might be frustrated by the process.  The Clem is 
> the Clem.  The details that don't matter, don't matter.  The Clem is not to 
> be swooned over, dwelled on.  The Clem gets me back to the idea of dwelling 
> on the memorable things I'm going to do on a bike, rather than dwelling on 
> the bike itself.  
>
> I may not buy one, because I'm already doing a Clem build the hard way (I 
> always do things the hard way).  A mid 80s lugged mountain bike is at the 
> framebuilder now getting a bunch of braze-ons.  The build is Clem-like.  If 
> I bought a Clem, I think it would be so I have a pair of camping bikes so 
> me and a companion can get out of Dodge any time and campout.  The thought 
> of doing that already has me excited.  I get home from work on a summer 
> Friday.  The Giants game is about to start.  "Henry, let's bounce!"  We 
> jump on the Paramountain and the Clem, with the AM radio, and gear, and 
> drop into Wildcat, Briones, Tilden, Chabot, you name it.  We camp out, 
> listen to the ball game, contemplate the stars, and come back in the 
> morning, new men.  Who cares what butt lengths you have when that's what 
> you are doing on your bike? 
>
>
> On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 9:49:03 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> How'd it compare to the other Rivs you own?  You appear to have enough to 
>> be considered a reliable authority.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 12:21:27 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I rolled by RBW HQ this morning and got to test ride a 52cm Clem.  I've 
>>> always felt lucky that I'm pretty much exactly Grant-sized.  Turns out 
>>> today I got to ride Grant's Clem prototype, and didn't even have to change 
>>> saddle height.  It's terrific.  It rides how I expected it to ride, meaning 
>>> it disappeared, made me smile, and made me reluctant to return it to them.  
>>>
>>> I don't know if I will pre-order, but if I do, the $150 they are paying 
>>> me to adopt early will go towards a set of Bosco Bullmooses.  That's the 
>>> bar for that bike.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

[dougP]

Patrick:

First of all, congratulations on turning what would be a disaster (to me) 
into "just part of the adventure".  As they say, attitude is everything.  

FWIW, you may be a candidate for stainless steel chainrings, given your 
riding conditions. 

Climate is a major factor in chain life.  From posts here & on other sites, 
riders in wet climates can blow thru chains in a few months, while here dry 
SoCal a chain can go well over a year.  If you get into dirt and road grit, 
it's like grinding compound on the cassette and chainrings.  And it's weird 
how visible cog wear seems to appear all of a sudden.  Once the drivetrain 
start slipping and skipping, a lot of stuff is worn out.  

I know riders who love to squeeze that list mile out of components, but as 
someone pointed out, this can land you in the ER.  Since I've taken to 
replacing chains every 2-3k miles, cassettes & rings last much longer.  A 
chain is $20-$30 part that can be changed out in a few minutes in the 
comfort of home.  After you do it a couple of times, you can even wiggle 
the pesky power link apart without tools.  

dougP

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 11:02:11 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Plowing through the snow attempting to make Rampart Reservoir, my nine 
> speed chain that is less than a year old decided to shatter a side link. 
> I’m not talking a pin pipping out and a bent side. The pin blew out the 
> side so there is a very open “O-C" where there used to be an “O-O.”
>
> LCG to the rescue! I LCGed my way back up to the road, then ran up the 
> hills and coasted down the hills till I reached my LBS. Chain replaced, 
> headed for the grocery, and it’s all good!
>
> Adventure rarely looks like what you plan, but it is always fun!
>
> Where the chain died: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/16261959554/in/photostream/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>  
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

[Deacon Patrick]

Isn't that like asking what make my Rivendell is? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 11:00:15 AM UTC-6, John wrote:
>
> Chris, 
>
> What make is your Stetson?
>
> thanks,
>
> John
>
> On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 6:12:44 AM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:
>>
>> Bringing my shade with me... 
>>
>> http://instagram.com/p/sauukJnPxU/ 
>>
>> Chris Johnson 
>> Sanger, Texas 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Shopsack as a rear Trunksack?

[Marc Irwin]

I use the medium shop sack all the time with a Pletscher mousetrap.  It 
works perfectly.  Don't need no stinking straps!

Marc

On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 10:43:45 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Would it work to use a large (or medium if smaller is needed) Shopsack 
> rather than a large Trunksack on the rear rack, securing it with two Irish 
> Straps?
>
> My thinking:
>
> — Large olive Trunksacks are out of stock
> — Shopsacks are much more flexible for a wide variety of uses on and off 
> the bike
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>  
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[RBW] Re: Advantages of Multiple-Riv Homes

[Liesl]

Yay Kellie!  Love to see those bronze Saluki badges, which were a special 
option.  Mine has a pewter headbadge; I think it was maybe $25 more or 
something like that to have the all metal badges.  It's way cool to have a 
Saluki—the original Hilson and the first top-tubed 650B! (I think the honor 
of the very first 650B goes to the Glorious/Wilbury mixtes, right?)

Looks like yours is the original ~peagreen color; does it also have the 
first-generation art-deco decal on the downtube?

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

[John]

Chris, 

What make is your Stetson?

thanks,

John

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>
> Bringing my shade with me... 
>
> http://instagram.com/p/sauukJnPxU/ 
>
> Chris Johnson 
> Sanger, Texas 
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem info for the Tall and Long

[Garth]

For clarity sake , standover height is always measured in the middle of 
top tube. When comparing models you must take into account bottom bracket 
drop also . I doubt the Clem is going to have as much drop as the Bombadil 
or Hunqa for example , probably more like the Cheviot.  

   All in all, as the Clem is for 45mm tires and above , which I was not 
aware or until the presale blug, it's not what I really really want and if 
it's not then I let it go . Something like the Cheviot appears more to my 
liking , as if the specs are accurate it would likely be more like what I 
DO want :) Or I'll just get custom.  I'm good with 50mm max. tires, even 
40's Vittoria Hypers which I have on my Bomba, they "sing" on the road:)  I 
really don't like super fat tires anyways as I know of none I'd *want* to 
ride on . If they made super size Hypers that'd be great, but they don't.  
I'm at a point in life where I only want what I Love , so buying something 
like a big bulky frame "just to see if it may work" and if not sell later, 
nah ... been there and done it. Not again. 

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[RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

[Deacon Patrick]

Inspecting my cogs (look good) and chainrings today, it looks like I broke 
a tooth off my 36t yesterday and I have several bent teeth on the 24t. 
Replacing the 36t with a narrow-wide ring since I don't have a FD, and a 
new 24t ring. Looking forward to seeing how that setup runs bikepacking 
this week.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Advantages of Multiple-Riv Homes

[Kellie]

*NOW* it's a multi-Riv household. New to me….



and my Cheviot






On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 1:51:15 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Between my partner and I, there are 5 Rivs in our basement.  Wonderful and 
> a titch embarrassing all at the same time.  (in order of joining the 
> household:  50cm saluki, 51cm protobleriot, 58cm quickbeam, 46 custom 
> appaloosa, 60cm cheviot)
>
> This past week, a friend visited from San Francisco.  Given our 
> unseasonably warm weather and basement full of options, we suggested riding 
> bikes to a restaurant for dinner.  It was a nice surprise and a lovely 
> ride!  He took the dyno-hubbed Cheviot down the Minneapolis Greenway with 
> us and was smiling like a kid the whole time.  It was fantastic to be able 
> to have Rivs in a few different styles and sizes and be able to offer one 
> to a guest.  It made the evening memorable.
>
> What's your favorite advantage?
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Funny

[Jon in the foothills of Central Colorado]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCkuqL9IcM
 
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#inbox/14c3ce3211030b92

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[RBW] FS: Carradice, Blackburn

[Beth H]

I am selling vintage Carradice panniers and equally vintage Jim Blackburn
rear rack.
Had hoped to sell locally but so far no bites. If you want to pay shipping
I'd be up for that:
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bop/4941276632.html
Cheers and happy riding --Beth
---
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Jewish educator, songleader & cantorial soloist
http://www.beth-hamon-music.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

[Joe Hogg]

http://www.dabrim.com/



On 03/22/2015 07:01 AM, Chris in Redding, Ca. wrote:
> Some where out there is a company that makes a sombrero like thing
> that goes under a helmet. I know folks with them and they like them.
> Sorry I can't remember the name but maybe someone here will.
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stainless dropouts on non-custom Rivendell models?

[Jeremy Till]

I think the body of the dropout is plain steel and thus can be welded or 
brazed in any fashion, the stainless piece is an insert that is probably 
silver brazed in to reinforce the dropout, and look good!  My wife's Heron 
touring has them.  

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 6:20:36 PM UTC-7, Dave Hallerman wrote:
>
> Yes, it seems to be a Waterford thing, as with the Gunnar frame that came 
> to live with me only yesterday and has shiny stainless steel dropouts.
>
> But I don't know if they need to be brazed, since the Gunnar is a welded 
> frame.
>
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2015, at 8:53 PM, Dave Johnston > 
> wrote:
>
> Looks like the dropouts on my waterford built Heron, which are stainless 
> steel and were masked off during paint to show the bare stainless.
>
> It's probably a Waterford thing, the Toyo built Atlantis were not 
> stainless. I believe stainless has to be silver brazed as well, which is an 
> additional expense.
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 10:14:23 AM UTC-4, Zach A wrote:
>>
>> I might be mistaken, but my non-drive dropout on my Atlantis seems to be 
>> stainless.  I'm guessing the drive side probably is too, but it was fully 
>> painted. Chipping after maiden build shows steel with a similar luster and 
>> lack of corrosion.  Anyone else's steed have these?
>>
>> - Z
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 1985 Trek 420 Sport Touring - lugged Waterloo-made goodness. Nitto, Brooks, n' more. and 26" conversion final report.

[cbone97]

D'oh!   Yes, that's important, isn't is?

It is the 22.5" size, or right at 57cm.  I'm 5'11" with an 87.5 pbh and it 
fits me just great.

Thanks,
Charles


On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 11:38:26 PM UTC-5, allenmichael wrote:
>
> Interested in 650b configuration. What size?
>
> Michael Allen
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

[Matt B.]

The park mini chain tool easily handles most road chains like sram etc.
but some chains are pretty hard on that tool, like especially the kmc 
z510hx or some whipperman chains for instance.even the bigger park tool 
needs replacement pins after a few kmc chain adjustments. great chains 
though.


On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 9:18:50 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I've owned two chain tools in 40 years - lost the first one
>
> On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 4:49:40 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> You think I'm THAT smart? Sardonic grin. I keep meaning to. I've broken 
>> my two old mini chain tools. Hopefully one of these day's I'll get them 
>> re-stocked in my bag. Still, I enjoyed the few miles of uphill running. All 
>> part of the fun! Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

[Chris in Redding, Ca.]

Some where out there is a company that makes a sombrero like thing that 
goes under a helmet. I know folks with them and they like them. Sorry I 
can't remember the name but maybe someone here will.
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

[Deacon Patrick]

Braggert. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 7:18:50 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
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> I've owned two chain tools in 40 years - lost the first one
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[RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

[Ron Mc]

I've owned two chain tools in 40 years - lost the first one

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 4:49:40 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> You think I'm THAT smart? Sardonic grin. I keep meaning to. I've broken my 
> two old mini chain tools. Hopefully one of these day's I'll get them 
> re-stocked in my bag. Still, I enjoyed the few miles of uphill running. All 
> part of the fun! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

[Deacon Patrick]

Andy, I access it via the paved road that connects with Rampart Range Road 
out of Woodland Park, then take either Rainbow Gulch trail or Schubarth 
(sp?) Road to the Reservoir. In summer and fall the trail around the 
reservoir is a popular MTB trail, all the lycra and full shock absorption 
you could ever want. Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Lil' Tour, Sam Style

[Edwin W]

DS,

I figured out how to add a map.
http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/page/?o=Sh&page_id=408968&v=7
Edwin

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 10:48:29 PM UTC-5, DS wrote:
>
> Nice! familiar territory for me, makes me a little homesick to see 
> pictures of those rolling TN hills. I graduated from MTSU and lived in 
> Nashville and middle TN for ~10 years. The only bike camping I did was down 
> the Natchez Trace. Is there a link to the route map that you did on that 
> site? Didn't see anything. Fall Creek Falls was also on my list of hikes I 
> meant to do and never did!
>
> On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 11:53:01 AM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> I took my first little tour with my Sam. Mileage was a little much for my 
>> cycling condition in these TN rolling hills, but I had a good time. They 
>> wouldn't let me move the parks I wanted to go to closer. 
>> Patrick, I tied a large shop sack on my back rack. 
>> Here is a little write up: 
>> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/2015MidTN 
>>
>> When I returned, my friend was in shock in how wasteful I was with my 
>> weight, like leaving on my trail a bike hitch and child seat attachment. 
>>
>> What are the "wasteful" or luxury items you take on a tour despite the 
>> weight? My main one was the Grundens poncho: big and relatively heavy, but 
>> I "enjoyed" it on the way home in the rain. 
>>
>> Got a lot of tips from this group along the way and used many riv things: 
>> Poncho, MUSA shorts and pants, riv cap, Sam Hillborne, little esbit 
>> alcohol cube stove, folding saw (didn't need that), etc... 
>> Got me hankering for a nice set of touring panniers. 
>> Edwin
>
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[RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

[ascpgh]

Wow. That's a part fail I've not seen. Had lots of those Shimano snap-off 
pin connected chains fail by plates pulling off, over those despicable 
things. The abrasive slurry mud of my MTBing era and the winters of 
commuting have provided insight on chains, mostly to have a full coverage 
front fender with a low hanging flap to keep things clean and to stick with 
regular care and measurement of Sram (nee Sachs) chain, replacing without 
complaint as needed.

Patrick, what route do you take up to Rampart? I've been up there may times 
on foot from the east, up the West Monument Creek trail. Nice to know of 
another access not limited by access from the USAFA grounds. Love the steep 
sides of that route and the tops of tall spruce rooted far below that you 
are among on the way up.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 2:02:11 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Plowing through the snow attempting to make Rampart Reservoir, my nine 
> speed chain that is less than a year old decided to shatter a side link. 
> I’m not talking a pin pipping out and a bent side. The pin blew out the 
> side so there is a very open “O-C" where there used to be an “O-O.”
>
> LCG to the rescue! I LCGed my way back up to the road, then ran up the 
> hills and coasted down the hills till I reached my LBS. Chain replaced, 
> headed for the grocery, and it’s all good!
>
> Adventure rarely looks like what you plan, but it is always fun!
>
> Where the chain died: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/16261959554/in/photostream/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

[Matt B.]

Cheers from another year-round bicycler in New England.This winter has 
been a doozy.



On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 9:35:33 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>
> Good advice Matt. I use fenders, but I ride year round and I'm not at all 
> proactive about cleaning. I'm guessing the amount of grit and grime from 
> the New England winters has substantially lessened the lifespan of my 
> drivetrain.

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

[Fullylugged]

Thin wool caps. Wool keeps you cool when it's hot and warm when it's cool. 
(and when it's wet, like in rain)  Like this one:
*http://tinyurl.com/k8vxl5y*

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 12:47:47 PM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
> Cycling cap under helmet and sunscreen on my fave and neck. 
> Jim, sorry to hear about your mom's surgeries.  I lost my mother to 
> melanoma; hers developed on her scalp.   
> So to all, wear sunscreen and protect your scalp, whether you are balding 
> or not!  Skin cancer kills!

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[RBW] Re: Clem vs. Sam vs. Cheviot?

[Fullylugged]

and remember that most models do not hang around for long. If you like it, 
buy it while you can.

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 2:18:45 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
>
> Another thought though:  *If any one model fits you better than the 
> others, than I'd say get THAT one, no matter what!*  As others have said, 
> most Rivendell models will do many things well, and there's a lot of 
> overlap by design.
>

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[RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

[Fullylugged]

You are one of many who can testify that Keven is great at putting you on 
the right bike, set up the right way. I first encountered him when ordering 
my Ram, way back when. It's still as comfortable as the day I got it.

On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 10:22:38 AM UTC-5, KC wrote:
>
>  I had to really rely on Keven.  He patiently answered all my questions, 
> but really I had to just rely on him and I would say the bike is spot-on 
> for me. 
>

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