[RBW] FS 52cm light Blue Riv. Clementine Frame only Preorder

[Abcyclehank]

Looking for someone to buy my Preordered frame to build as you choose, so I can 
buy Miesha's Sweet Betty.  Come on Riv Group help two great individuals out.
Trust me the fine folks at Riv. World Headquarters can accommodate the 
transaction.  Previously they helped myself and
Riv Chica Warrior transition a Cheviot that never reached Michigan for her 
friend Erin in Minnesota.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
Spring Lake, Michigan

P.S. N-2 extra extra large bike reduction going swimmingly. Sold 1 + traded 1  
= received 1 + Bought 1. Net n+-0.

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[RBW] Re: Rivnuts question

[Ely Ruth Rodriguez]

kurt, i've got the rivnut tool if you want to borrow it. I've done this 
install a bunch of times, no problems.

On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 9:09:15 AM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of using rivnuts to install some bottle cages on a bike that 
> has only one cage mount. I know of the potential problems with rivnuts but 
> am ok with that. 
>
> My main question is, if I use rivnuts and later decide to have proper 
> brazeons installed will the holes be too big? My thought is put in rivnuts 
> now and if they last forever then great, if they become a pain then remove 
> them and then deal with brazeons and paint.
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: ID or suggest front rack for Betty Foy?

[D Yat]

Yes, that is the link to the Cheviot with the front rack I forgot to 
include in my original post.

Thanks for all the insightful commentary and for giving me ideas. 

Since the Cheviot & Betty Foy front fork has attachment points at the 
midpoint and tip, then the rack might as well use them.

Thanks again.

On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 2:20:18 AM UTC-4, Takashi wrote:
>
> You mean this one?
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/117015627924/wills-60cm-cheviot
> It looks like a Two Strut Top Rack which Riv used to sell, but it's no 
> longer on Riv website.
> It's similar to R-14 rack, but modified so that you can use two pairs of 
> strut.
> Maybe with some creativity you can make R-14 to work as a front rack.
>
> This Cheviot:
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/116494687519/sams-and-chevs
> has Mark's rack on front, and has a smaller basket than Will's cheviot.
> So if you are using smaller basket, then Mark's rack would work fine.
>
> Takashi
>
>
> 2015年6月6日土曜日 14時53分44秒 UTC+9 D Yat:
>>
>> Seeking advise on a front rack for a Betty Foy.   I just want to put a 
>> basket up front (and not carry low-mounted panniers.)
>>
>> The photo of the Chevoit on this old blug post has a nice looking front 
>> rack that would probably work with the Betty Foy (it has the same or 
>> similar front fork lowrider mounts and bottom eyelets).  Can anybody 
>> identify it?  It looks similar but a little bigger than a Mark's rack 
>> (http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r1.htm)
>>
>> I would like to carry more than the 6-lb weight limit for the Mark's rack.
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB - Shimano Bar End Shifter Pods and cable stops

[Steve Cole]

I'm looking for a pair of Shimano bar end shifter pods with the cable 
stops/adjusters that go on the downtube braze-on posts.  Any help 
appreciated.

Thanks,

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

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[RBW] WTB: 700c wheelset, VO Rando Rack

[Sofia Torres]

Hello,

Looking for a VO Rando rack and a 700c wheelset.

Wheelset should be all silver and 130mm shimano freehub. For a classic 
steel build.

Thinking $50ish for rack and $200ish for wheelset. I am in San Diego. 

Any leads appreciated, and thank you in advance.

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[RBW] WTB - Nitto Seatpost

[Steve Cole]

I'm looking for a Nitto 27.2, 250mm seatpost. Either the S65 Crystal Fellow 
or S83 would work for me.  Thanks.

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

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[RBW] Re: Acorn small handlebar bag

[Steven Butcher]

Price drop.  Now asking $50.00 plus shipping CONUS.

On Saturday, June 6, 2015 at 12:53:44 AM UTC-5, Steven Butcher wrote:
>
> Hello.  I'm new to the group though have been following along for awhile.  
> I've a lightly use Acorn small handlebar bag I'd like to sell.  It is the 
> olive green color with honey colored leather parts.  It has some scratches 
> in the leather band at the top otherwise it is in excellent condition.  I'm 
> asking $55.00 plus shipping CONUS.   If you'd like to view some photos, you 
> can find them on my Flickr account under my name.  If you're interested, 
> please pm me off list.  Thanks for looking.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is it crazy to do a century with Boscos?

[Chris Chen]

200k in albastaches, no problems; Done two ~60mi days in the Boscos, no
problem, The upright posture really helps keep pressure off the arms. Now,
be careful where you place your brake levers to keep you from "flaring out
your wrists" too much.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On 06/08/2015 05:17 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Breaking the filters off of Marlboros: I remember doing that!
>>
>> 3 packs a day -- wow! I asked the convenience store clerk the other day
>> how much a pack of M's cost nowadays, and he said $7.60 before sales tax.
>>
>>
> IIRC they were thirty cents a pack in the 'Nam in 1970.
>
> One of the motivational techniques I used to use was every day I dropped
> as much money as I would have spent on cigarettes that day into a coffee
> can.  When it amounted to something, I'd buy myself something nice - a
> camera lens, for example.  After all, I would have spent it anyway!  And if
> you do that today, just think how fast it would add up.
>
> I was on a ride a couple of years ago by myself, stopped at a MacDonalds
> to use the rest room and to eat my sandwich.  A guy comes out, lights up
> and we get into a conversation.  He sees I'm a cyclist and says he's sorry,
> hopes the cig doesn't offend me, etc., then says he's tried and he wishes
> he could quit.  So I ask him, would he quit if I gave him $5,000.  "Hell
> yes!"   So I told him about the coffee can, and how he could pay himself
> the money.  If he smoked 3 packs a day, at $7.60 a pack, in a year that
> would be $8,322.   Snakes alive!
>
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[RBW] Price Reduced for Betty Foy

[Miesha Kerl]

I'm re-posting my 60cm Betty Foy for sale. Custom painted at D&D Cycles. 
Albatross build, Paul Thumbies with Shimano shifters. 
Wheels built by Rich at Hands on Wheels. 
Lightly used. Excellent condition. 
Price Reduced... Asking $1800. 
Would prefer local pick-up, but will ship if needed. 

Contact me: maker...@gmail.com if interested.
See pictures here: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff11.htm

Thank you, 
Miesha

 

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[RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[stonehog]

Next segment up: http://stonehog.com/2015/06/09/oregon-outback-2015-day-3/

Featuring less photos (more riding), Fort Rock, Sage Hollow, Bear Creek, 
Crooked Creek, and Prineville Reservoir...

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[stonehog]

Amazing as always.  Love the SA saddles.  No sores from the get-go.  YMMV...

Brian

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 8:51:41 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Brian. Incredible. How did you like the SA saddle on the trip?
>
> -Jim W.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:13 PM, stonehog > 
> wrote:
>
> I'm putting up my recount of the trip by day.  The first couple are up:
>
>
> http://stonehog.com/2015/06/07/oregon-outback-2015-day-1/
>
> http://stonehog.com/2015/06/08/oregon-outback-2015-day-2/
>
>
> Still thinking about this trip!
>
>
> Brian
>
> Seattle, WA
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:13:43 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>
>
> I just finished the Oregon Outback on my 54cm Hunqapillar. I used a
>
> hodgepodge of bags (Riv Med SaddleSack, Swift Paloma, and Orlieb) to carry
>
> the often times large loads. After 360 miles of rain, mud, dust, and lots 
> of
>
> gravel roads, I am happy to report no mechanicals. The Hunqapillar was rock
>
> solid.  There were 40+mph downhills with 30mph wind gusts, and I never felt
>
> under biked. Kudos to the 2.1" Thunder Burts. I had an almost flat the 
> first
>
> day, but a little air and spin, and the Stan's sealant did its work. No
>
> problem for the next 300 miles. I will get a better write up with pics in
>
> the next few days. No other Rivs sighted, but I heard there was an Atlantis
>
> on the ride.
>
>
> P.S. Thumbs up for fenders. Mine was the only fendered bike I saw, and
>
> they kept my water bottles usable.
>
>
> Brian Hanson
>
> Seattle, WA
>
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[RBW] Re: Stolen SimpleOne and a question

[JohnS]

That's great news! I've been thinking of making an offer, but I'm glad you 
were able to buy it. You need it more that I do. 
 
You know, I would be a wreck if somebody stole my QB. Such an awesome bike.
 
Good luck with the build and riding it,
John

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> As the subject says, theres another stolen SimpleOne out there now. Last 
> Thursday night I was out at Golden Gardens in Seattle enjoying the sunset 
> with some friends. Bikes were parked ~15 feet away on the beach, which was 
> far enough for someone to make off unnoticed. They kindly left another 
> friends tandem and my helmet plus gloves behind. Already reported to SPD 
> etc, though I have little hope of recovery.
>
> First was my daily commuter, 62CM SimpleOne frame serial M105. At time 
> of theft included black revelate frame bag, black Haulin Colin front rack + 
> wald basket, Supernova light, "Velo Orange" branded SP dynamo hub, salsa 
> delgado rims, silver Paul cantilever brakes, schwalbe little big ben tires. 
> https://bikeindex.org/bikes/46199
>
> Second was a friends 1993 XO-2, purple paint, 54cm frame, 
> serial H220098. At time of theft included silver rear rack, white bar tape, 
> salsa 38cm short and shallow drop bars, nitto periscopa stem, bar end 
> shifters, original deore 3x7 drive train, original wheelset. 
> https://bikeindex.org/bikes/46200
>
> And now the question, suggestions for a similar single speed frame? The 
> SimpleOne was my favoritist bike, used for daily commuting, shenanigans, 
> and bike camping. Im seriously considering getting a clone custom made, but 
> would like a replacement in a sooner time frame. Are there any production 
> frames with a similar 72.5/72.5 and midlong chainstay geometry? If nothing 
> else I might round up an 80s steel touring frame and throw a SimpleOne fork 
> on it.
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[RBW] INVISIBLE LIFE PAINT GLOWS IN THE DARK

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

Not yet in the US.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2015/03/31/volvo_life_paint_invisible_safety_spray_paint_for_your_bike_that_glows_in.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Hugh Smitham]

The Nemo gogo is interesting, still like a tarp though a bit more
versatility. Seems if you have a leak on the air frame it could be a bummer
pretty small floor space & height. It is a bivy though. And not cheap!

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
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> hugh, where are you going?
>
> im liking all the paring down suggestions.
> i found a good deal on a nemo gogo, so ill be trying that out. not too
> much smaller than my 1 man tent, and a breeze to set up/take down. packed,
> it's the size of medium sized cantaloupe.
>  right now ive got a medium saddlesack, 2 jandd mini mountain panniers and
> a basket. seems like i might have room to spare.
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[RBW] Re: Is it crazy to do a century with Boscos?

[Alan Pickett]

Hi guys - 

I didn't want to let this post fade without letting y'all know how much I 
enjoyed your responses - especially the cajoling, encouragement, and 
stories 'bout smoking'. While I'm still inhaling, I''m also now riding the 
bike to work - about a seven mile commute each way from Silver Spring into 
DC - which is significantly diminishing my ciggy intake! 

I am also thoroughly enthused by the cries of "ride on" regarding the 
boscos, and enjoyed the references to chocolate milk, molten metal, and 
plain common sense.

You guys are cool...

Alan



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>
> The Lady Who Makes Me Pedal has started a campaign to get me to limit my 
> cigarette smoking by imposing a Soviet-style regimen of preparatory weekend 
> rides, culminating in perhaps the Amish Country Century 
>  later this summer. At the moment, I am 
> riding and liking my Bosco'd 2 top-tubed hillborne (it's a greenie, 56). We 
> are not at all go-fast people, and so far, I have managed a 50 mile outing 
> without any ill effects. It seems like I really can get down into a decent 
> resting position at the front of the bar for a little aero time, then move 
> and shift quite a bit on the bars to counter numbness, pressure, etc...
>
> Does anyone have reports or reflections after going significant 
> single-ride distances with Boscos you might be willing to share?
>
> As an aside, I was peeking at the aluminum Jones loop H-bars, and actually 
> thought these could be pretty darn comfy for an extended ride, but the 
> clamp diameter is 31.8, and I think Nitto only makes one quill stem 
>  that 
> would work for this. I'm just future-dreaming here, but has anyone ridden 
> with a Jones bar on a Riv, and if so, how did you fix it up and what were 
> your impressions?
>
> Hope all are well this fine Sunday,
> Alan in Silver Spring, MD
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Hugh Smitham]

Drew,

I'm heading to Vancouver Island BC for a two week tour. I pine for the PNW
and further North, VI has been on my list.

Next year,  I'm planning on doing the Oregon Outback like Mark just
finished and then some tours in the Sierra's.

I'm liking the Six Moons Designs Tent tarps for lightweight compressible
shelters. There are other manufacturers out there making ultra-lightweight
shelters but then the cost skyrockets. When I toured the California coast I
used a REI two person tent. I ditched the tent and used the rain fly &
footprint. I found  on the coast that bugs weren't an issue just the dew.
This year on my tour I'm considering the same with my Marmont Eos1,  ditch
the tent for the fly & footprint and bring my Titanium Goat bivy (7oz).
That way I'll keep the weight & space at a minimum.

Here's my setup. Atlantis,  small campee rack up front with basket & shop
sack clothes only to keep the weight at a minimum. Tubus low rider rack
with two small Carradice panniers usually empty but used to carry food &
beer into camp. Acorn handle bar bag for the stuff you grab most often,
keys,  wallet, camera ect...

Rear:

Medium Sackville Saddle sack, carrying synthetic 45f degree sleeping bag,
sleeping pad, pillow, fly & bivy, cook gear stove. Supported by the Nitto
R14 top rack.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015, 4:57 PM drew  wrote:

> hugh, where are you going?
>
> im liking all the paring down suggestions.
> i found a good deal on a nemo gogo, so ill be trying that out. not too
> much smaller than my 1 man tent, and a breeze to set up/take down. packed,
> it's the size of medium sized cantaloupe.
>  right now ive got a medium saddlesack, 2 jandd mini mountain panniers and
> a basket. seems like i might have room to spare.
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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, I find that decently made nylon boxers -- loose, hi-rise -- make very
comfortable riding togs -- nothing comes between me and my Target nylon
boxers.

The nice thing about these is that, tho' they will stink and within 24
hours if you ride much in them, they are very easy to wash and very quick
to dry. And I daresay that 3 pr of these will cost less than 1 pr of decent
merino undershorts.

In other news, I've found merino (will have to try my other lesser-wool
jerseys) jerseys are quite comfortable in temps up to 86F or so with 30%
humidity or so. More on this as temps rise.



On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:16 PM, drew  wrote:

> i was persuaded to try the merino underwear thing, since im already on the
> socks and shirt wagon. i had the same experience as you though. destroyed
> after 2 days of riding. i was using minus33, which i guess are somewhat
> budget.  tried buying the striped riv ones, but they are out of those and
> the devold. would be interested to hear if other brands can last.  if it's
> between stinking and spending 50$ on underwear that will last 3 days, i
> will stink.
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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

[Patrick Moore]

And I am not secretly and snidely asserting that retention is better*. If
no retention is proved to be more efficient, I'll drop my Keos and SPDs in
a NY minute.

But I *am* skeptical, since cycling and its related technology is after all
very mature, and foot retention dates back well over 100 years.

* I mean better in every way. Of course no retention has obvious benefits
in freedom of movement on the pedal.

My own take at the moment is that, like planing, high bars, wide bars, low
bars, narrow bars, wide saddles, narrow saddles, front loading, rear
loading, what have you, it is largely a matter of taste and riding style
and type.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Deacon: thanks.
>
> To turn the question around (for everyone): what are the *advantages* of
> riding no retention? I discount the reason given as "no need for special
> shoes" since I certainly wouldn't be cycling fixed or off road no-retention
> in Bass Weejuns on Tony Lamas or, for that matter, in Sperry Topsiders.
>
> So, allowing that you are going to need special shoes of one sort or
> another, what are the benefits? Perhaps there will be confirmation of the
> study finding that no retention takes less energy, but leave that out for
> the time being.
>
> Patrick Moore, who just now cranked a 75" gear up a very steep 4/10 mile
> long hill up the mesa to Rio Rancho (behind Don Chalmers Ford), but with no
> load, and very definitely pulled up hard on the bar and pulled up hard on
> the pedals, though the tailwind provided at least psychological assistance.
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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

[Patrick Moore]

Deacon: thanks.

To turn the question around (for everyone): what are the *advantages* of
riding no retention? I discount the reason given as "no need for special
shoes" since I certainly wouldn't be cycling fixed or off road no-retention
in Bass Weejuns on Tony Lamas or, for that matter, in Sperry Topsiders.

So, allowing that you are going to need special shoes of one sort or
another, what are the benefits? Perhaps there will be confirmation of the
study finding that no retention takes less energy, but leave that out for
the time being.

Patrick Moore, who just now cranked a 75" gear up a very steep 4/10 mile
long hill up the mesa to Rio Rancho (behind Don Chalmers Ford), but with no
load, and very definitely pulled up hard on the bar and pulled up hard on
the pedals, though the tailwind provided at least psychological assistance.

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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[drew]

hugh, where are you going?

im liking all the paring down suggestions. 
i found a good deal on a nemo gogo, so ill be trying that out. not too much 
smaller than my 1 man tent, and a breeze to set up/take down. packed, it's 
the size of medium sized cantaloupe. 
 right now ive got a medium saddlesack, 2 jandd mini mountain panniers and 
a basket. seems like i might have room to spare.

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[RBW] FS: Coho Frame/Fork/HS + Extras (Reduced Prices)

[Joe Bartoe]

Hi Everyone,

I am going to reduce the price for the Coho before I resort to drastic measures 
(...Ebay):

I'm offering the F/F/HS + Extras:

Price of Frame and fork plus Chris King HS, Decaleur, Front Rack, Berthoud bag 
and Mafac Racer Brakes- $1100 + $100 shipping (Continental US).

The price with full build is here:

Coho Randoneusse - 61cm C-T with 58cm C-C top tube. Built up with Ultegra 
Compact crankset, Ultegra Front Derailleur, Deore XT rear derailleur, 11-34 
Shimano Cassette and Dura Ace 10 sp barend shifters. Brakes are Mafac Racers 
and levers are the TRP RRL SL (silver drilled levers with gum hoods). Seatpost 
is Nitto and stem is Cinelli with Nitto dream bars and black Brooks leather 
tape. Wheels are polished silver Velocity A23 (both 32h) laced to White 
Industries T11 rear hub and Shutter Precision PV8 front hub (generator hub). 
Tires are Compass 700x32C. The frame comes with custom matching decaleur and 
front rack (built by Coho). Would like to get $2800 shipped (continental US) 
for full build (no saddle or pedals included).


If you'd like the frame module plus some of the parts, let's chat.


Pics here: http://thesaltycyclist.blogspot.com/2015/06/fs-coho-randonneuse.html

Joe

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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Anne Paulson]

They made a special arrangement with Amtrak, just for that trip,
because there were going to be so many bikes.


> (But I want to know how those riders got an unboxed bike on the Coast
> Starlight!)

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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Hugh Smitham]

Drew,

I've used the devold for a couple years now and only worn my first pair
out. They finally just disintegrated. I think they're worth every penny.

Mark,

Your clothing pack list is spot on. I on the other hand have a tendency to
overpack.

When I'm riding I really don't need much on as I'm generating lot's of
heat. Synthetic stretch shorts, devold wool (two pair to rotate) underwear,
wool socks, button down lightweight synthetic shirt and windbreaker.

Once off the bike for 1/2 hour I get really cold obviously depending on the
current ambient temp, I usually change into light wool long underwear
(which I'll sleep in ) wool socks (2nd pair), my knickers, synthetic
sweater, beanie and if really cool light glove liners. I also bring a short
sleeve wool base layer shirt as a back up for the button down.

I suppose I could ditch the base layer but it's so light weight and
compressible it's hard to leave it behind. Maybe the knickers are overkill
as well but they're also lightweight and fairly compressible.

I also bring cheap flip flops to shower in. Really dislike foot fungus.

The above is my clothing list for an up coming two week tour.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
On Jun 9, 2015 2:16 PM, "drew"  wrote:

> i was persuaded to try the merino underwear thing, since im already on the
> socks and shirt wagon. i had the same experience as you though. destroyed
> after 2 days of riding. i was using minus33, which i guess are somewhat
> budget.  tried buying the striped riv ones, but they are out of those and
> the devold. would be interested to hear if other brands can last.  if it's
> between stinking and spending 50$ on underwear that will last 3 days, i
> will stink.
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[RBW] Re: OT: if you really love your bike.....

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

When will people learn to use U-locks...


On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 2:58:31 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> It's common in Europe for couples to attach a lock to a bridge & throw the 
> keys away (actually a cliche at this point).  The poster child is one in 
> Paris that's suffering structural damage from the additional weight.  This 
> photo was sent to me by one of my touring buds from Ljubliana, Slovenia:
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Elbe Cycle Route from Prague to Dresden

[tarik saleh]

Doug,

Yep, no shortage of fun stops for eating and drinking. I recall in the
chzech Republic I even  liked goulash again after the ride, meat with brown
sauce 2 meals a day got a little tiring during the week before.  The beauty
of the nicely spaced european village is you can roll around fairly
unprepared, follow the signs to the next little center and usually find a
bar/restaurant/cafe or market ready to refuel you.  Or just navigate by how
long you would like to ride before eating or taking a break. Most areas I
have ridden in Germany, Switzerland, Austria, france  Belgium and Ireland,
have at least something every 10-25km, and even the tiniest of towns had
reasonable coffee. One big map that tells you where the towns are in space
coupled with the signs to the next town let you make fun loops of varying
unplanned sizes.

Later

Tarik


On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:48 PM, dougP  wrote:

> Tarik:
>
> Your photos remind me of something else I love about Europe:  Large beer
> glasses and small coffee cups (small but potent!).  Oh, and the pastries
> that go with the coffee.
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 9:43:55 PM UTC-7, tarik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hey Jim,
>>
>> I sort of tried this on a lark with no forethought nor maps in 2011. I
>> had a free day or two in prague in between meetings and decided that, fixie
>> bike friday in hand,  hey, Dresden looks pretty close, maybe I can ride up
>> there today and take the train back tonight. The short story is that I got
>> completely distracted by Vltava river side single track that I did not take
>> the somewhat well marked road route (E10 route at the time) and did not
>> make it very far. I think I made it to Kralupy and there was a big street
>> festival, so I ate fried things and turned around and went back. Also beer.
>> And it was hot.  I want to return to do it again.  My understanding is that
>> it is really well marked now, but I don't know anything else.  The off road
>> riverside options were fantastic, ranging from buff singletrack, to old
>> cobbled canal path, to smooth canal path road, to rooty overgrown
>> singletrack on riverside cliffs. I was nominally on the East side of the
>> river..   So in conclusion, have a great time, get a map, stop lots for
>> beers.
>>
>>   The beer was cheapish in Prague in 2011, but it dropped to about 1euro
>> a pint not too far outside of town. Look for the dark (cherny)beers, most
>> places have a pils and a cherny on tap, pilsners are pilsners they all
>> taste like crap American beer to me (well maybe good versions of crap
>> american beer, but the crap american beer really has ruined "good" pilsners
>> for me), but the chernies were actually interesting and seemed to have more
>> variety.  I found Pilsner Urquel actually spectacularly boring, even given
>> my anti pilsner rant, the Kozel (the same brewers dark) was tasty,  but the
>> Budvar/budveiser was pretty palatable.
>> pics:
>> The complete set from a week in Prague:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/sets/72157626827329869
>> this one starts some photos from riding up the Vltava scroll right for
>> more, I think this is in reverse order chronologically, or perhaps only
>> photos taken on the way back:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/5828092467/in/album-72157626827329869/
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> report back!
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Tarik
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:13 AM, James Warren 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I just bought a plane ticket to do this on the weekend of July 17. It
>>> seems to have a Just Ride quality, so I thought I'd mention it. I'll report
>>> back after it happens, but I'm also posting now to see if anyone on the
>>> forum has done this before. I'm not doing a professionally organized tour.
>>> Just going to figure it out with my sister and my brother-in-law.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe_Cycle_Route
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAh-D1-awLc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jim W.
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[RBW] Re: FS: SA Saddle, Carradice Nelson LF, Soma Porteur Rack, Bridgestone 650b-ready Frameset

[David Banzer]

Carradice Bag is sold.

GB bars, SA saddle, BS frame, and Soma Porteur rack still available. Feel 
free to make an offer.
David
Chicago

On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 2:15:35 PM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> As my storage space is overflowing with bike supplies, I can't buy new 
> stuff until unneeded stuff gets sold. 
>
> Shipping is as noted with each item. Paypal Personal on these items please.
> Local pickup is fine - if you can't pickup right away, kindly pay with 
> Paypal to hold an item.
> David
> Chicago
>
> Selle Anatomica Non-Slotted Saddle 
> 
>  
> - natural leather, black rivets & rails, used very lightly - $100 shipped
>
> Carradice Nelson Longflap Saddlebag 
>  - green, picked 
> this up last week really just to get an idea for saddlebag design of my 
> own, it's been used, passed around on this list a bit - $100 shipped
>
> Soma Porteur Rack 
> 
>  
> - black, used, nice condition, I sold the bike it was on - $100 & I'll 
> split shipping costs w/ buyer
>
> Bridgestone 500 Frameset 
> 
>  
> (frame/fork/headset) - 62cm seattube c-t, will measure more - just ask - I 
> bought this a week before I decided to try out my Redwood 650b experiment 
> (which was a success) - originally came with 700c wheels with clearances 
> for about 28mm tires - this is perfect for a 650b conversion, as I set it 
> up briefly - takes recessed brakes, the Silver/Tektros have enough reach, 
> will fit 38mm plus fenders for sure, possibly 42mm, has 2 bottle bosses, dt 
> shifter bosses, and pump peg - would build up as a nice go-fast 650b road 
> bike - $120 plus shipping
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Dirty Kanza

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It really is a nice shirt!!!

On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 7:32:31 PM UTC-5, Wildcat96 wrote:
>
> http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2015/06/dirty-kanza-200-epilogue.html 
>
> Nice shirt Tony!

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[RBW] Re: Intelligent design dynamo hubs

[William deRosset]

>If I were a generally faster rider I might've gotten an SP SV-8 (which I 
think is the one intended to work with smaller wheels with higher typical 
rotation rates. But I don't like the notion of worrying about going "fast 
enough to see" when I have a choice.

Dear Thomas Lynn,

 "Fast enough to see" is a brisk walking pace with an SV-8 (or SONdelux) 
and either a Cyo or an Edelux. Staggering around after an unpaved 300K is 
not quite fast enough to get out of the flicker zone. The hubs with more 
poles are better for high-draw use (so those of us who charge their 
tricorders and other electronic paraphernalia while tootling along) and 
bikepacking rally riders who push their steeds up long, babyheaded 
singletrack climbs at night, though most of those I know use battery lights 
to supplement their hub generator and recharge them with the lights off 
during the day.

Best,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 1:38:34 PM UTC-6, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:
>
> I have an SP PV-8 hub on one Hillborne and a current-generation SON28 on 
> another Hillborne. I like them both just fine. I may end up getting another 
> dynamo'd wheel in the future and, barring near-future failure of the one I 
> have, will probably get another SP PV-8 just because it's >$150 cheaper.
>
> If I were a generally faster rider I might've gotten an SP SV-8 (which I 
> think is the one intended to work with smaller wheels with higher typical 
> rotation rates. But I don't like the notion of worrying about going "fast 
> enough to see" when I have a choice.
>
> I use them both with an Edelux II and find I have plenty of light when I 
> need it, even below 10mph. Off-the-cuff I can't tell whether one hub yields 
> more light than the other at the same speed. Nor can I tell that one is 
> more easy-rolling than the other. Sometimes I do feel that the SON28 is 
> rolls *smoother* but not necessarily *easier*. On both I can feel the 
> resistance when the light is on versus when the light is off. And for both 
> I *think* I can tell that they do not roll as easily as a non-dynamo hub 
> even when the light is off. But assuming that's true it's not nearly enough 
> to make me want to go back to a non-dynamo hub. I would consider going 
> back only if either becomes unreliable as a light source in the next few 
> thousand miles.
>
> I got the SON28 simply because I suspected (and still suspect) that it 
> will last longer. With only hundreds of miles on each (all problem free) I 
> can't speak with experience on life expectancy. I'd've been very 
> disappointed if either had had issues before now. I prefer the SON28's 
> connection style but the SP's works fine also.
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
>
> On Saturday, June 6, 2015 at 12:53:44 AM UTC-5, Don Funke wrote:
>
>> Anyone have experience with these hubs? They have some good reviews and 
>> are considerably less expensive than some of the german brands. I assume 
>> they can be manufactured cheaper without the stringent german regulatory 
>> process. 
>>
>> http://www.intelligentdesigncycles.com/shop/shutter-precision-hub-dyanmos.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Mark Reimer]

They'd last way longer than 3 days for sure. That was just how long I
decided to go before switching. I know many people who stick with one pair.
The Riv ones are probably 3 times thicker than the Mountain Equip. Co-op
and Smartwool pairs I've had. They're definitely designed with a bike seat
in mind. I can't see ever destroying them.

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> socks and shirt wagon. i had the same experience as you though. destroyed
> after 2 days of riding. i was using minus33, which i guess are somewhat
> budget.  tried buying the striped riv ones, but they are out of those and
> the devold. would be interested to hear if other brands can last.  if it's
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> will stink.
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[RBW] Re: XSmall Sackville Saddle Bag ?

[Michael Hechmer]

Thanks to everyone for the feedback; and yes I meant tube not tire.  I 
probably wont move fast on this but it is good to know I'm headed in a 
doable direction.

Rain, rain and more rain in the Green Mountains.

Michael

On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 4:17:11 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about  changing my Saluki bag setup from the Barley bag to a 
> front bag and a small saddle bag in back.  I would want to put a spare 
> tire, levers, multi tool & wallet in it.
>
> The zippered opening looks small, can you easily see what's in the bag?
>
> What does the shape look like empty?
>
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[drew]

i was persuaded to try the merino underwear thing, since im already on the 
socks and shirt wagon. i had the same experience as you though. destroyed 
after 2 days of riding. i was using minus33, which i guess are somewhat 
budget.  tried buying the striped riv ones, but they are out of those and 
the devold. would be interested to hear if other brands can last.  if it's 
between stinking and spending 50$ on underwear that will last 3 days, i 
will stink. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Campee Rear Rack 26"

[john muhl]

Rack is sold.

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 8:31:02 AM UTC-5, john muhl wrote:
>
> $175 shipped; not sure of the exact model number but it is the same rack 
> as pictured here: 
> https://www.benscycle.com/p-2137-nitto-campee-rear-rack-26.aspx
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3Vmm_jgi9LKNXdhU05hRFJLTWc&usp=sharing
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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

[Deacon Patrick]

I have no idea, Patrick. I ride the steep in SS but not with the weight 
you're talking about. And don't know how much I'd notice the ability to 
lift up on the rear pedal.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 1:56:20 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I shall have to try it. But what about *really* steep hills? I find that 
> I not only pull down on the bar, but pull up on the pedal. Would losing the 
> last be a handicap?
>
> I mean such occasions as grunting a 40 lb load up a very steep 1/4 to 1/2 
> mile hill up the side of a mesa in a 70" gear. Again, street shoes with 
> straps didn't cut it. Pulling up is required (for me) for the steepest 
> parts -- I think; that's what I need to test again.
>
> Tho' I'm getting to old not to get off an walk in such instances ...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> Retention free works high or low cadence for me. When I read Jan's "jar 
>> lid" example, I thought "Uh, pedal/handlebar does the same thing" so I 
>> personally suspect less difference in efficiency than retention vs. body 
>> weight only. I'm not limited to my body weight on the downstroke when 
>> pulling up on my handlebars.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 12:56:08 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder if no-retention works best if you pedal small gears at a 
>>> highish cadence, rather than if you mash. Can anyone comment on this? 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Mark Reimer]

And by "Riding across Washington and Seattle" I meant Washington and 
Oregon. Doh. Need more coffee. 



On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 3:20:07 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I just finished an 8 day tour across Washington and Seattle and had some 
> interesting observations regarding clothes
>
> - I brought three t-shirts. I only ever wore one on the bike (merino 
> t-shirt, stayed dry while sweating). I'd often wear no shirt at all, which 
> was the most comfortable option. Then I had a cotton t-shirt I wore while 
> setting up camp and sleeping. Just nice to have a clean dry shirt to change 
> into. The third never left my bag. I should have stuck with two.
>
> - I had two pairs of shorts - denim cutoffs (jorts!) and some looser 
> synthetics. The denim shorts were fantastic till it rained for two days. 
> The synthetics were great for drying out quickly. I could have stuck with 
> the single pair of synthetics. Though my riding buddy wore denim cutoffs 
> with no underwear for over a month of riding and loved every minute of it 
> though. 
>
> - Merino underwear. This is the MOST important thing I had! I wore the 
> striped MUSA underwear for up to three days in a row, then would wash and 
> change to my second pair. It's all I needed. I was dry, fresh, happy. I had 
> a third pair of cheaper and much thinner merino. I tried pulling them off 
> to change and they completely fell apart in my hands, hah! Pays to get 
> quality I guess. 
>
> - Socks - two pairs max needed. Merino wool to keep that foot stank out
>
> - Merino wool sweater for the cool and/or moist days. (Seeing a trend? 
> Wool is the best!)
>
> - thin gloves and a rain shell. That's all I needed for clothes. It was 
> enough to be clean, comfortable, and presentable if needed. Of course, your 
> standards may be higher than mine. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 2:59:05 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
>>
>> If you're a cold person, bring a down sweater. If you're warm person, or 
>> a freshly landed meteorite as my wife calls me, down is overkill for the 
>> coast, but windbreakers are a must.
>>
>> On synthetics vs down or wool, I only feel cozy with down or wool. 
>> Synthetics keep me from being cold, but I never feel cozy warm.
>>
>> I know synthetic down substitutes say they keep you warm if they get wet, 
>> but have you ever tried it in the wild? If getting wet is unavoidable, I 
>> use fleece (or neoprene). Fleece you can shake out if drenched, but 
>> synthetic downs not so much. And synthetic down substitutes have a short 
>> life-span, never leave them in a stuff sack in a hot car or car trunk. It 
>> doesn't take much heat to permanently flatten their loft. 
>>
>> John
>>
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Mark Reimer]

I just finished an 8 day tour across Washington and Seattle and had some 
interesting observations regarding clothes

- I brought three t-shirts. I only ever wore one on the bike (merino 
t-shirt, stayed dry while sweating). I'd often wear no shirt at all, which 
was the most comfortable option. Then I had a cotton t-shirt I wore while 
setting up camp and sleeping. Just nice to have a clean dry shirt to change 
into. The third never left my bag. I should have stuck with two.

- I had two pairs of shorts - denim cutoffs (jorts!) and some looser 
synthetics. The denim shorts were fantastic till it rained for two days. 
The synthetics were great for drying out quickly. I could have stuck with 
the single pair of synthetics. Though my riding buddy wore denim cutoffs 
with no underwear for over a month of riding and loved every minute of it 
though. 

- Merino underwear. This is the MOST important thing I had! I wore the 
striped MUSA underwear for up to three days in a row, then would wash and 
change to my second pair. It's all I needed. I was dry, fresh, happy. I had 
a third pair of cheaper and much thinner merino. I tried pulling them off 
to change and they completely fell apart in my hands, hah! Pays to get 
quality I guess. 

- Socks - two pairs max needed. Merino wool to keep that foot stank out

- Merino wool sweater for the cool and/or moist days. (Seeing a trend? Wool 
is the best!)

- thin gloves and a rain shell. That's all I needed for clothes. It was 
enough to be clean, comfortable, and presentable if needed. Of course, your 
standards may be higher than mine. 

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 2:59:05 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
>
> If you're a cold person, bring a down sweater. If you're warm person, or a 
> freshly landed meteorite as my wife calls me, down is overkill for the 
> coast, but windbreakers are a must.
>
> On synthetics vs down or wool, I only feel cozy with down or wool. 
> Synthetics keep me from being cold, but I never feel cozy warm.
>
> I know synthetic down substitutes say they keep you warm if they get wet, 
> but have you ever tried it in the wild? If getting wet is unavoidable, I 
> use fleece (or neoprene). Fleece you can shake out if drenched, but 
> synthetic downs not so much. And synthetic down substitutes have a short 
> life-span, never leave them in a stuff sack in a hot car or car trunk. It 
> doesn't take much heat to permanently flatten their loft. 
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Eric]

What a great ride!

I did it in 6 days on my Igleheart 29er. I couldn't image going any faster, 
just the perfect mix of riding & fun.

I saw Stonehog out there & complimented on his Riv. 

I believe I saw an Atlantis in Prineville but I was thinking I'd see alot 
more based on the chatter on the group after last year's ride.

Anyways, I think I'm going to do this ride next year but before the mass 
start. Maybe I'll see ya?

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[RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Lynne Fitz]

Great writeup; I look forward to the next installments!
(But I want to know how those riders got an unboxed bike on the Coast 
Starlight!)

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:13:43 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>
> I just finished the Oregon Outback on my 54cm Hunqapillar. I used a 
> hodgepodge of bags (Riv Med SaddleSack, Swift Paloma, and Orlieb) to carry 
> the often times large loads. After 360 miles of rain, mud, dust, and lots 
> of gravel roads, I am happy to report no mechanicals. The Hunqapillar was 
> rock solid.  There were 40+mph downhills with 30mph wind gusts, and I never 
> felt under biked. Kudos to the 2.1" Thunder Burts. I had an almost flat the 
> first day, but a little air and spin, and the Stan's sealant did its work. 
> No problem for the next 300 miles. I will get a better write up with pics 
> in the next few days. No other Rivs sighted, but I heard there was an 
> Atlantis on the ride. 
>
> P.S. Thumbs up for fenders. Mine was the only fendered bike I saw, and 
> they kept my water bottles usable. 
>
> Brian Hanson 
> Seattle, WA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/09/2015 01:04 PM, Philip Williamson wrote:
If you still have one of those ~$1000 bikes, you could move some or 
all of the parts over to the new frame.
Then you can spend time finding parts to put the old frame back on the 
road, or simply sell the leftovers.





You could even buy one of those complete-built-up Surly LHTs, strip off 
the parts and sell the frame and I'll bet you'd still come out ahead 
compared to the price of buying the identical components separately at 
retail.


Back in the day, didn't there used to be a fairly crappy bike that came 
with a full Campag Nuovo Record gruppo, where people would buy the bike, 
take it out back behind the bike shop, take off the parts and throw the 
frames right in the dumpster?   I don't think that was urban legend.



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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[John]

If you're a cold person, bring a down sweater. If you're warm person, or a 
freshly landed meteorite as my wife calls me, down is overkill for the 
coast, but windbreakers are a must.

On synthetics vs down or wool, I only feel cozy with down or wool. 
Synthetics keep me from being cold, but I never feel cozy warm.

I know synthetic down substitutes say they keep you warm if they get wet, 
but have you ever tried it in the wild? If getting wet is unavoidable, I 
use fleece (or neoprene). Fleece you can shake out if drenched, but 
synthetic downs not so much. And synthetic down substitutes have a short 
life-span, never leave them in a stuff sack in a hot car or car trunk. It 
doesn't take much heat to permanently flatten their loft. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

[Patrick Moore]

I shall have to try it. But what about *really* steep hills? I find that I
not only pull down on the bar, but pull up on the pedal. Would losing the
last be a handicap?

I mean such occasions as grunting a 40 lb load up a very steep 1/4 to 1/2
mile hill up the side of a mesa in a 70" gear. Again, street shoes with
straps didn't cut it. Pulling up is required (for me) for the steepest
parts -- I think; that's what I need to test again.

Tho' I'm getting to old not to get off an walk in such instances ...



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> Retention free works high or low cadence for me. When I read Jan's "jar
> lid" example, I thought "Uh, pedal/handlebar does the same thing" so I
> personally suspect less difference in efficiency than retention vs. body
> weight only. I'm not limited to my body weight on the downstroke when
> pulling up on my handlebars.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 12:56:08 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if no-retention works best if you pedal small gears at a highish
>> cadence, rather than if you mash. Can anyone comment on this?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

[Deacon Patrick]

Retention free works high or low cadence for me. When I read Jan's "jar 
lid" example, I thought "Uh, pedal/handlebar does the same thing" so I 
personally suspect less difference in efficiency than retention vs. body 
weight only. I'm not limited to my body weight on the downstroke when 
pulling up on my handlebars.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 12:56:08 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I wonder if no-retention works best if you pedal small gears at a highish 
> cadence, rather than if you mash. Can anyone comment on this? 
>

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Re: [RBW] Elbe Cycle Route from Prague to Dresden

[dougP]

Tarik:

Your photos remind me of something else I love about Europe:  Large beer 
glasses and small coffee cups (small but potent!).  Oh, and the pastries 
that go with the coffee.  

dougP

On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 9:43:55 PM UTC-7, tarik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hey Jim, 
>
> I sort of tried this on a lark with no forethought nor maps in 2011. I had 
> a free day or two in prague in between meetings and decided that, fixie 
> bike friday in hand,  hey, Dresden looks pretty close, maybe I can ride up 
> there today and take the train back tonight. The short story is that I got 
> completely distracted by Vltava river side single track that I did not take 
> the somewhat well marked road route (E10 route at the time) and did not 
> make it very far. I think I made it to Kralupy and there was a big street 
> festival, so I ate fried things and turned around and went back. Also beer. 
> And it was hot.  I want to return to do it again.  My understanding is that 
> it is really well marked now, but I don't know anything else.  The off road 
> riverside options were fantastic, ranging from buff singletrack, to old 
> cobbled canal path, to smooth canal path road, to rooty overgrown 
> singletrack on riverside cliffs. I was nominally on the East side of the 
> river..   So in conclusion, have a great time, get a map, stop lots for 
> beers.
>
>   The beer was cheapish in Prague in 2011, but it dropped to about 1euro a 
> pint not too far outside of town. Look for the dark (cherny)beers, most 
> places have a pils and a cherny on tap, pilsners are pilsners they all 
> taste like crap American beer to me (well maybe good versions of crap 
> american beer, but the crap american beer really has ruined "good" pilsners 
> for me), but the chernies were actually interesting and seemed to have more 
> variety.  I found Pilsner Urquel actually spectacularly boring, even given 
> my anti pilsner rant, the Kozel (the same brewers dark) was tasty,  but the 
> Budvar/budveiser was pretty palatable.  
> pics:
> The complete set from a week in Prague:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/sets/72157626827329869
> this one starts some photos from riding up the Vltava scroll right for 
> more, I think this is in reverse order chronologically, or perhaps only 
> photos taken on the way back:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/5828092467/in/album-72157626827329869/
>
>
> Good luck, 
>
> report back!
>
> Thanks
>
> Tarik
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:13 AM, James Warren  > wrote:
>
>>
>> I just bought a plane ticket to do this on the weekend of July 17. It 
>> seems to have a Just Ride quality, so I thought I'd mention it. I'll report 
>> back after it happens, but I'm also posting now to see if anyone on the 
>> forum has done this before. I'm not doing a professionally organized tour. 
>> Just going to figure it out with my sister and my brother-in-law.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe_Cycle_Route
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAh-D1-awLc
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim W.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Intelligent design dynamo hubs

[Patrick Moore]

Tom: FWIW, with a SON 20R on a 25" actual diameter wheel, my Edeluxe I puts
out usable light, if not full power, starting at about 5 or 6 mph. Full
comes on below 10, IIRC.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean <
thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net> wrote:

> I have an SP PV-8 hub on one Hillborne and a current-generation SON28 on
> another Hillborne. I like them both just fine. I may end up getting another
> dynamo'd wheel in the future and, barring near-future failure of the one I
> have, will probably get another SP PV-8 just because it's >$150 cheaper.
>
> If I were a generally faster rider I might've gotten an SP SV-8 (which I
> think is the one intended to work with smaller wheels with higher typical
> rotation rates. But I don't like the notion of worrying about going "fast
> enough to see" when I have a choice.
>
> I use them both with an Edelux II and find I have plenty of light when I
> need it, even below 10mph. Off-the-cuff I can't tell whether one hub yields
> more light than the other at the same speed. Nor can I tell that one is
> more easy-rolling than the other. Sometimes I do feel that the SON28 is
> rolls *smoother* but not necessarily *easier*. On both I can feel the
> resistance when the light is on versus when the light is off. And for both
> I *think* I can tell that they do not roll as easily as a non-dynamo hub
> even when the light is off. But assuming that's true it's not nearly enough
> to make me want to go back to a non-dynamo hub. I would consider going
> back only if either becomes unreliable as a light source in the next few
> thousand miles.
>
> I got the SON28 simply because I suspected (and still suspect) that it
> will last longer. With only hundreds of miles on each (all problem free) I
> can't speak with experience on life expectancy. I'd've been very
> disappointed if either had had issues before now. I prefer the SON28's
> connection style but the SP's works fine also.
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
>
> On Saturday, June 6, 2015 at 12:53:44 AM UTC-5, Don Funke wrote:
>
>> Anyone have experience with these hubs? They have some good reviews and
>> are considerably less expensive than some of the german brands. I assume
>> they can be manufactured cheaper without the stringent german regulatory
>> process.
>>
>> http://www.intelligentdesigncycles.com/shop/shutter-precision-hub-dyanmos.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[Patrick Moore]

Sounds like my wardrobe.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:37 PM, dougP  wrote:

> That was my thought exactly!  So my 1990 Fisher HK-II mtb just needs fresh
> tires to be on the cutting edge.  I'm so stoked to be in the curl on this
> one.
>
> dougP
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 10:43:51 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> 26" is the new 650B!!
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 6:23:06 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks like Jan got his first production prototypes for two new
>>> anticipated tire models.  Even fatter road/gravel tires in 559x54 and
>>> 584x48.
>>>
>>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/
>>>
>>> Now you need two new bikes to fit these tires!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[dougP]

That was my thought exactly!  So my 1990 Fisher HK-II mtb just needs fresh 
tires to be on the cutting edge.  I'm so stoked to be in the curl on this 
one.  

dougP

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 10:43:51 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 26" is the new 650B!!
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 6:23:06 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Looks like Jan got his first production prototypes for two new 
>> anticipated tire models.  Even fatter road/gravel tires in 559x54 and 
>> 584x48.
>>
>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/
>>
>> Now you need two new bikes to fit these tires!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Intelligent design dynamo hubs

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

I have an SP PV-8 hub on one Hillborne and a current-generation SON28 on 
another Hillborne. I like them both just fine. I may end up getting another 
dynamo'd wheel in the future and, barring near-future failure of the one I 
have, will probably get another SP PV-8 just because it's >$150 cheaper.

If I were a generally faster rider I might've gotten an SP SV-8 (which I 
think is the one intended to work with smaller wheels with higher typical 
rotation rates. But I don't like the notion of worrying about going "fast 
enough to see" when I have a choice.

I use them both with an Edelux II and find I have plenty of light when I 
need it, even below 10mph. Off-the-cuff I can't tell whether one hub yields 
more light than the other at the same speed. Nor can I tell that one is 
more easy-rolling than the other. Sometimes I do feel that the SON28 is 
rolls *smoother* but not necessarily *easier*. On both I can feel the 
resistance when the light is on versus when the light is off. And for both 
I *think* I can tell that they do not roll as easily as a non-dynamo hub 
even when the light is off. But assuming that's true it's not nearly enough 
to make me want to go back to a non-dynamo hub. I would consider going 
back only if either becomes unreliable as a light source in the next few 
thousand miles.

I got the SON28 simply because I suspected (and still suspect) that it will 
last longer. With only hundreds of miles on each (all problem free) I can't 
speak with experience on life expectancy. I'd've been very disappointed if 
either had had issues before now. I prefer the SON28's connection style but 
the SP's works fine also.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Saturday, June 6, 2015 at 12:53:44 AM UTC-5, Don Funke wrote:

> Anyone have experience with these hubs? They have some good reviews and 
> are considerably less expensive than some of the german brands. I assume 
> they can be manufactured cheaper without the stringent german regulatory 
> process. 
>
> http://www.intelligentdesigncycles.com/shop/shutter-precision-hub-dyanmos.html
>

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[RBW] Re: Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[Garth]

  Ahahahaahahahha !  I was thinking the same thing . . . . .:-)  

I can't wait for the new 5,6,7 speed freewheel revolution too   .  . . . 
..  being silly .  But hey , why not , many single speeders are already 
going to 2 and 3 .  What about those that want 4 , then 5 , then 6 and 7 
again . We're right back to where we were , only now we're "modern" !   



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> 26" is the new 650B!!
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

[Garth]

Of course after the test it was agreed that for racing, clipless is more 
practical and safe , with the violent efforts and all.  So again, whatever 
suits your style :) 

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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

[Garth]

It makes zero difference to me :)   I ride on the flats, sometime spinning 
sometimes mashing. Up the ubiquitous 20 something percent climbs , both 
seated and standing , makes no difference to me .  I wonder how I put up 
with riding rock hard boards called cycling shoes for so long .  My feet 
have never slipped of my pedals Wellgo MG-1's and now I wear Croc slide 
sandals .  

As Clayton mention in his post, it takes undeterminable time for one to 
adjust to riding in flat pedals, if ever.  To just hop on a bike with flat 
pedals(or vice versa) and called it a "test" really defeats the spirit of 
the intention.  Do I want the truth or not ? 

This is an issue with no one but within oneself  . What's good for me 
?  To extend that choice to others as if they ought to be doing it too , 
yes we've all done it in our enthusiasm for what we like . but truly to 
each distinctively their own .  These distinctions are ever cultivated and 
celebrated :)   


BTW, there is test on youtube by some well known British guys who had a 
racer in a lab on rollers and tested him with flat pedals for any 
physiological differences . They were essentially the same, with flat 
pedals being slightly more efficient physically.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNedIJBZpgM
  

 
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>
> I wonder if no-retention works best if you pedal small gears at a highish 
> cadence, rather than if you mash. Can anyone comment on this? 
>

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[RBW] Re: XSmall Sackville Saddle Bag ?

[Philip Kim]

Carsick Designs has a nice barrel bag. I love it. Enough to put in spare 
tube, levers, multi tool, snack bars, maybe a thin anorak. I'm not sure, I 
know I fit a standard sized Krytonite U-lock in there with all my tools and 
food. Works great.

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>
> I'm thinking about  changing my Saluki bag setup from the Barley bag to a 
> front bag and a small saddle bag in back.  I would want to put a spare 
> tire, levers, multi tool & wallet in it.
>
> The zippered opening looks small, can you easily see what's in the bag?
>
> What does the shape look like empty?
>
> Michael
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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

[Patrick Moore]

I wonder if no-retention works best if you pedal small gears at a highish
cadence, rather than if you mash. Can anyone comment on this?

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[RBW] Re: XSmall Sackville Saddle Bag ?

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

The stiff olive or tan canvas retains its boxy shape after many miles. I 
can not see *easily* into the bag but it isn't a problem for me. When I 
ride without extra clothing the XS will hold what I take: general 
flat-fixing stuff (tube/patches/levers/multi-tool; not a spare tire, 
though) and normal keys/phone/wallet combination. Plus perhaps a snack or 
two-if-they're-small. Any piece of clothing (even gloves) pushes me into 
something larger.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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> I'm thinking about  changing my Saluki bag setup from the Barley bag to a 
> front bag and a small saddle bag in back.  I would want to put a spare 
> tire, levers, multi tool & wallet in it.
>
> The zippered opening looks small, can you easily see what's in the bag?
>
> What does the shape look like empty?
>
> Michael
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Life Update

[Patrick Moore]

Thank God that I've been blessed with sturdy and injury free knees for 60
years, but I did recently start taking glucosamine hydrochloride in some
sulfur compound (big bottle from Costco) because my brother says it helps
his runners' knees and ankle joints.

I *think* I've experienced less of an annoying pain in my left shoulder,
and my neck seems less stiff when riding in the hooks.

Now, I may well be imagining all this; but this is what I *think* I've
experienced.

FWIW, since glucosamine is recommended for cartilage and knees.

Patrick "maybe it's *all* imaginary and I'm talking to myself" Moore,
imagining himself on the bike in very pleasant late spring ABQ, NM.

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[RBW] Re: Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Next up: 27" 

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 10:54:54 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Full circle!!
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 10:43:51 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> 26" is the new 650B!!
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 6:23:06 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks like Jan got his first production prototypes for two new 
>>> anticipated tire models.  Even fatter road/gravel tires in 559x54 and 
>>> 584x48.
>>>
>>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/
>>>
>>> Now you need two new bikes to fit these tires!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[hsmitham]

Full circle!!

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 10:43:51 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 26" is the new 650B!!
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 6:23:06 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Looks like Jan got his first production prototypes for two new 
>> anticipated tire models.  Even fatter road/gravel tires in 559x54 and 
>> 584x48.
>>
>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/
>>
>> Now you need two new bikes to fit these tires!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: spoke in word

[Justin August]

Saluki, MAP Bars
Hetre's float over paved roads
Get in the dirt, soon

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[RBW] Re: Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

26" is the new 650B!!

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 6:23:06 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Looks like Jan got his first production prototypes for two new anticipated 
> tire models.  Even fatter road/gravel tires in 559x54 and 584x48.
>
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/
>
> Now you need two new bikes to fit these tires!
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[RBW] Re: A brevet ride report with a Riv in the wild meeting.

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Fantastic ride report, and good wishes for PBP.

~pb

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> http://eprider.blogspot.com/2015/06/east-creek-600k-simmering-melange-of.html
>
> for those who may be interested.
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[RBW] Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[Justin August]

Hoping I can run the 650bx48 on my Saluki sans fenders. It'll be tight if it 
works!

-J

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Re: [RBW] Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[Jim Bronson]

I think I would like to try that 26x2.3 on my 90s MTB ;)

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Looks like Jan got his first production prototypes for two new anticipated
> tire models.  Even fatter road/gravel tires in 559x54 and 584x48.
>
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/
>
> Now you need two new bikes to fit these tires!
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[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit

[hsmitham]

While at Riv were the clems available to ride? 

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-clemsmith.htm

For the price of the HIllborne frame you get a complete bike ready to roll! 
I know it's not the Hillborne, but considering the evolution of riv bikes 
I'd say all the good that's in the Hillborne most likely can be found in 
the Clem Jr. And it looks great! And I know the parts Riv hung on it will 
serve you well for many miles, then as others have mentioned replace with 
higher end parts if that's your penchant. 

+1 on the stem mounted shifters, I know that's the direction I'm leaning 
with my Hilsen, Albatross bars & those shifters for me will be a sweet 
spot. The IRD are particularly beautiful, I love how the cables just loop 
efficiently to the down tube.

Will's Sam is how I'd build it up, tho with those shifters I mentioned 
above. 

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff8.htm

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

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> So I test rode a sam the other day and really enjoyed the ride.  Getting 
> my ducks in a row to swing a frame.  I've always wanted to build up a 
> frame.  But as my camaro sitting in the garage proves, sometimes projects 
> don't go as planned.  A concern is that the "budget" build doesn't turn out 
> to be that thrifty after all.  But maybe it'll be fine, I'm a pretty picky 
> shopper and my equipment work out pretty well.  Seeking advice from those 
> that were in my position.  Any regrets not just taking the easier route?
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[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I recently built a bike with 8-speed XT bits that were gathered in a 
leisurely fashion, mostly from the bay, along with this and that from the 
list and from my boxes.  Each individual transaction seemed cheap, and I 
was careful never to total the costs, therefore the build was cheap.  QED.

Actually, I *think* I'm at $400 or slightly north for all the parts.  I 
scored a really, really cheap deal on some new wheels (Shimano/Mavic Open, 
which needed touching up) on the bay, which included shipping, and maybe 
the sweetest part was a beautiful XTR seat post I got for $15 because of 
some scratches on the back, which are completely covered by the seat bag.  
I think that was a successful build.  $600 all in with the frame, thanks to 
a lister in LA who picked up the frame and shuttled it to San Diego a few 
weeks later.  Great experience.  $600 isn't throw-away coin, but I think 
there's value there.  What's the total cost of the Riv build?  

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pbridge1300/16899727095/in/datetaken/  
complete with wrong-side brake levers ...  I'll have to swap them one of 
these days.  

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[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit

[Philip Williamson]

If you still have one of those ~$1000 bikes, you could move some or all of 
the parts over to the new frame. 
Then you can spend time finding parts to put the old frame back on the 
road, or simply sell the leftovers. 

If you don't have a spare bike, there's always Craigslist. Any size bike 
will work as a parts donor. You need to be a little careful on component 
sizes, but it's a learning experience.  

Philip
www.biketinker.com 

On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 10:41:58 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Not on the site. I meant a build with items of your choosing.   
> On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 11:07:57 AM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:
>>
>> Is the budget kit listed on the site?  I only see one type of build kit 
>> under Frames
>>
>
> Maybe after I start making a list of actual prices the riv build kits will 
> look better.  But at the moment $1400 for the build kit does not strike me 
> as a budget build.   It's hard to swallow when the last couple of complete 
> bikes I bought were ~$1000 and for the most part beyond maybe changing 
> pedals or the saddle.  I've liked the mid-level parts they've come with. 
>  On my test ride while I loved the way the bike rode.  I wasn't really 
> wowed by the function of the shifters, brakes, etc.
> On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 3:54:58 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>> Pretty much, the "Riv build kit" *is* a budget build.  Whatever else you 
>> might say about them, Rivendell isn't about excess "bling" for its own 
>> sake.   In what areas would you go cheaper than the Riv build kit?
>>
>
> I've made up my mind.  One more serious test ride to be absolutely 
> positive.   Then get the frame and slowly start piecing parts together. 
>  Think I'll enjoy the process. Thanks for the advice.
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[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

Being Frugal is great! There are a few things I didn't really think through 
or know about when I built my Sam 9 months ago.
I wish I would of built the front wheel with a dyno hub,so I could add 
a head and tail light later. I don't commute or ride much at night but now 
days I like to have daytime running lights ( hate dealing with 
batteries).Now it's   a winter project to put on the list..
But isn't that have the fun of it...tinkering with your bike and fine 
tuning it to your liking. Somethings like bags, or saddles,handle bars, and 
tires  you have to try to know if you like it.
I think the people at Rivendell have it down to a science and are very 
helpful when starting a build.
Getting perspectives from the friendly experienced people on this site is a 
big plus.
Jon


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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[James Warren]

Brian. Incredible. How did you like the SA saddle on the trip?

-Jim W.

> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:13 PM, stonehog  wrote:
>> I'm putting up my recount of the trip by day.  The first couple are up:
>> 
>> http://stonehog.com/2015/06/07/oregon-outback-2015-day-1/
>> http://stonehog.com/2015/06/08/oregon-outback-2015-day-2/
>> 
>> Still thinking about this trip!
>> 
>> Brian
>> Seattle, WA
>> 
>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:13:43 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just finished the Oregon Outback on my 54cm Hunqapillar. I used a
>>> hodgepodge of bags (Riv Med SaddleSack, Swift Paloma, and Orlieb) to carry
>>> the often times large loads. After 360 miles of rain, mud, dust, and lots of
>>> gravel roads, I am happy to report no mechanicals. The Hunqapillar was rock
>>> solid.  There were 40+mph downhills with 30mph wind gusts, and I never felt
>>> under biked. Kudos to the 2.1" Thunder Burts. I had an almost flat the first
>>> day, but a little air and spin, and the Stan's sealant did its work. No
>>> problem for the next 300 miles. I will get a better write up with pics in
>>> the next few days. No other Rivs sighted, but I heard there was an Atlantis
>>> on the ride.
>>> 
>>> P.S. Thumbs up for fenders. Mine was the only fendered bike I saw, and
>>> they kept my water bottles usable.
>>> 
>>> Brian Hanson
>>> Seattle, WA
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RE: [RBW] Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

The Stealth Bomba is crying out for that 584x48 – can’t wait!

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Subject: [RBW] Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

Looks like Jan got his first production prototypes for two new anticipated tire 
models.  Even fatter road/gravel tires in 559x54 and 584x48.

https://janheine.wordpress.com/

Now you need two new bikes to fit these tires!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Anne Paulson]

Excellent recaps. I like reading about riders who did the Outback
without racing. Nothing wrong with racing, but I like reading about
riders who rode it the way I'd ride it.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:13 PM, stonehog  wrote:
> I'm putting up my recount of the trip by day.  The first couple are up:
>
> http://stonehog.com/2015/06/07/oregon-outback-2015-day-1/
> http://stonehog.com/2015/06/08/oregon-outback-2015-day-2/
>
> Still thinking about this trip!
>
> Brian
> Seattle, WA
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:13:43 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>>
>> I just finished the Oregon Outback on my 54cm Hunqapillar. I used a
>> hodgepodge of bags (Riv Med SaddleSack, Swift Paloma, and Orlieb) to carry
>> the often times large loads. After 360 miles of rain, mud, dust, and lots of
>> gravel roads, I am happy to report no mechanicals. The Hunqapillar was rock
>> solid.  There were 40+mph downhills with 30mph wind gusts, and I never felt
>> under biked. Kudos to the 2.1" Thunder Burts. I had an almost flat the first
>> day, but a little air and spin, and the Stan's sealant did its work. No
>> problem for the next 300 miles. I will get a better write up with pics in
>> the next few days. No other Rivs sighted, but I heard there was an Atlantis
>> on the ride.
>>
>> P.S. Thumbs up for fenders. Mine was the only fendered bike I saw, and
>> they kept my water bottles usable.
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[Anne Paulson]

Oh! I can't wait to put those 26" tires on my Atlantis. I wonder
about durability. Could I tour on them, or would they be too fragile?

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:28 AM, Kieran J  wrote:
> Thanks, Jan. Kudos for bringing these to market in a very timely fashion!
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 10:18:19 AM UTC-4, Jan Heine wrote:
>>
>> Rim width matters much less with very supple tires, since the sidewalls
>> don't hold up the bike. So you need to run somewhat higher pressures, but
>> the supple casing still gives you much better comfort and traction (and
>> speed).
>>
>> Cyclocross and pro mountain bikers run tubulars on rims that have a very
>> narrow effective width - the tire is not supported at all on the sides. And
>> yet they perform great - the fact that they are winning races in disciplines
>> where bike handling is of crucial importance says it all.
>>
>> With stiffer tires, you want to run lower pressures (the tires already are
>> harsh), so the sidewalls get tasked with holding up the bike. Then, and only
>> then, does rim width make a big difference, as it either allows the tire to
>> stand on the sidewall (wide rim making the sidewalls horizontal), or the
>> sidewall simply folds (narrow rim making the sidewall curved).
>>
>> Jan Heine
>> Compass Bicycles Ltd.
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?

[Patrick Moore]

Incidentally, one of my theoretical design benchmarks or gauges or
touchstones is the Rivendell Atlantis. I'd have something built with road
bike tubing (bowing to the builder's recommendations for durability).

I see that the model with a 57 cm top tube is the 56 cm, which comes with
26" tires. Would it be possible, do you think, to build something with
similar handling (I am assuming that this Riv model keeps the signature Riv
handling of stability and "unjerky" turn in) but with a 58 cm c-c st and
room for 65s with fenders? What would you have to give up to get this? I
can accept TCO, for example, and don't mind an upjutter stem or sloping tt.

Or would I be better off with smaller wheels?

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[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?

[Jayme Frye]

Oh man Mike those bikes are the bomb! The Mathews I find especially drool 
worthy. I want a build like that in the worst way. So disappointed that I 
can't get a fatter tire like a Quasi Moto to squeeze between the chainstays 
of my Rawland Stag. If you ever want to sell ... ;-)
Cheers

Jayme 

On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 11:26:17 PM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> Yea.. sounds like you want a custom... but 29er wheels 65mm wide. on a 
> road type bike... I see problems.. wide Q factor, toe overlap issues.  I've 
> tried this and  couldn't make it work.  I ended up with 700x46 max to make 
> it work.  My  58cm Bantam   
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/16715645353/in/dateposted-public/
>
> My 59 cm Matthews is 650B and will fit 54 mm wide tires with low Q and no 
> toe overlap on my size 46 shoes.  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/13227807945/in/album-72157634847568447/
>
> So you either go MTB geometry like a Fargo but lighter tubing  or maybe  a 
> roadish 650B with 60mm tires.  
>
> ~mike 
> Carlsbad Ca.
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>
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[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit

[Philip Kim]

>From what Rich explained to me that the XT hubs are standard, though 
Shimano hubs are made in Asia anyways, and the Velocity sport hubs are 
loose ball and just as easy to service, and made in Taiwan and has a silver 
finish.

The Tektro sidepulls aren't too bad once you replace them with Kool Stops. 
I might upgrade to Paul centerpulls, but Pauls are also 4 times the price.

The Tektro CR720s are awesome with Kool Stops ($15 upgrade). Almost as good 
as my Paul Touring Cantis, again a fraction of the price. Also easier for 
me to service if I'm out on the trails. Also has road-type cartridges which 
are easy to replace. Pauls also needs an extra wrench, which some people 
might dislike (I don't mind).

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 10:37:33 AM UTC-4, Ginz wrote:
>
> Ah, ok then.  The only parts on the list I would consider upgrading are 
> brakes (if using cantis, not crazy about the tektros but they are ok) and 
> the wheelset.  If Phil Wood or XT or something a little nicer isn't in the 
> budget, then that's fine too.  Derailleurs on a friction-shifted bike 
> matter little to me.  The rest of the stuff on the bike is honestly fine 
> unless you are going with Paul, Phil Wood, etc.  The rest of the stuff is 
> Nitto, so how can I complain!
>
> To summarize -- the hubs the brakes are the only things in the build kit 
> that truly make me think
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[Kieran J]

Thanks, Jan. Kudos for bringing these to market in a very timely fashion!

KJ


On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 10:18:19 AM UTC-4, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> Rim width matters much less with very supple tires, since the sidewalls 
> don't hold up the bike. So you need to run somewhat higher pressures, but 
> the supple casing still gives you much better comfort and traction (and 
> speed).
>
> Cyclocross and pro mountain bikers run tubulars on rims that have a very 
> narrow effective width - the tire is not supported at all on the sides. And 
> yet they perform great - the fact that they are winning races in 
> disciplines where bike handling is of crucial importance says it all.
>
> With stiffer tires, you want to run lower pressures (the tires already are 
> harsh), so the sidewalls get tasked with holding up the bike. Then, and 
> only then, does rim width make a big difference, as it either allows the 
> tire to stand on the sidewall (wide rim making the sidewalls horizontal), 
> or the sidewall simply folds (narrow rim making the sidewall curved).
>
> Jan Heine
> Compass Bicycles Ltd.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[Patrick Moore]

The 559 X 32s are coming too ...?

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Jan Heine  wrote:

> Rim width matters much less with very supple tires, since the sidewalls
> don't hold up the bike. So you need to run somewhat higher pressures, but
> the supple casing still gives you much better comfort and traction (and
> speed).
>
> Cyclocross and pro mountain bikers run tubulars on rims that have a very
> narrow effective width - the tire is not supported at all on the sides. And
> yet they perform great - the fact that they are winning races in
> disciplines where bike handling is of crucial importance says it all.
>
> With stiffer tires, you want to run lower pressures (the tires already are
> harsh), so the sidewalls get tasked with holding up the bike. Then, and
> only then, does rim width make a big difference, as it either allows the
> tire to stand on the sidewall (wide rim making the sidewalls horizontal),
> or the sidewall simply folds (narrow rim making the sidewall curved).
>
> Jan Heine
> Compass Bicycles Ltd.
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?

[Patrick Moore]

Mike Schiller: thanks for this; beautiful bikes btw.

We'll see what has to give. I can live with TCO - have in the past, even
with fixed gears in urban traffic, so it's not impossible. But I'm
confident that Chauncey can come up with the best solution.

Mike (Shaljian): thanks for the additional information on the Jones Plus.
Your high opinion, and the other positive reports, make me take it
seriously.

I plan to have Chauncey do the build, but I'll mention the Jones Plus to
him.

I wish I had the money and time to try all sorts of options, but I have to
stick with what I am most familiar with and can afford, and with what I
know -- or think I know -- works for my type of riding. But the comments
certainly do provide additional grist for the mental mill, and have made me
"fine tune" my own analyses and the resulting goal, which is now leaning
ever more toward the "road bike" side of the table. If this means,
eventually, 650B, or even 559 (what with the new Compass tires), so be it.

So please keep the ideas coming!

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wrote:

> Yea.. sounds like you want a custom... but 29er wheels 65mm wide. on a
> road type bike... I see problems.. wide Q factor, toe overlap issues.  I've
> tried this and  couldn't make it work.  I ended up with 700x46 max to make
> it work.  My  58cm Bantam
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/16715645353/in/dateposted-public/
>
> My 59 cm Matthews is 650B and will fit 54 mm wide tires with low Q and no
> toe overlap on my size 46 shoes.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/13227807945/in/album-72157634847568447/
>
> So you either go MTB geometry like a Fargo but lighter tubing  or maybe  a
> roadish 650B with 60mm tires.
>
> ~mike
> Carlsbad Ca.
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit

[Ginz]

Ah, ok then.  The only parts on the list I would consider upgrading are 
brakes (if using cantis, not crazy about the tektros but they are ok) and 
the wheelset.  If Phil Wood or XT or something a little nicer isn't in the 
budget, then that's fine too.  Derailleurs on a friction-shifted bike 
matter little to me.  The rest of the stuff on the bike is honestly fine 
unless you are going with Paul, Phil Wood, etc.  The rest of the stuff is 
Nitto, so how can I complain!

To summarize -- the hubs the brakes are the only things in the build kit 
that truly make me think




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[RBW] Re: Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[Jan Heine]

Rim width matters much less with very supple tires, since the sidewalls 
don't hold up the bike. So you need to run somewhat higher pressures, but 
the supple casing still gives you much better comfort and traction (and 
speed).

Cyclocross and pro mountain bikers run tubulars on rims that have a very 
narrow effective width - the tire is not supported at all on the sides. And 
yet they perform great - the fact that they are winning races in 
disciplines where bike handling is of crucial importance says it all.

With stiffer tires, you want to run lower pressures (the tires already are 
harsh), so the sidewalls get tasked with holding up the bike. Then, and 
only then, does rim width make a big difference, as it either allows the 
tire to stand on the sidewall (wide rim making the sidewalls horizontal), 
or the sidewall simply folds (narrow rim making the sidewall curved).

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.

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[RBW] Re: Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[Philip Kim]

Wonder if the Hillborne (650b version) will be able to fit these.

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[RBW] Re: Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[EGNolan]

Excited for the 26"ers.

Eric
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[RBW] Re: Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[Bill Lindsay]

In the linked blog post he indicated that he installed them on a 23mm rim 
and reports the width.  He says he's been riding on them and thinks they 
are awesome.  He's said a wider rim would make them wider, so adequacy will 
be in the eye of the beholder, I think.  If you wanted to run them super 
soft, say under 20psi, I bet you'd be more likely to call a 23mm rim 
inadequate.  Jan ran them at rock-hard 28psi ;-)  


On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 6:55:20 AM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote:
>
> The EL 650bx50 sounds dreamy. 
> Has Jan weighed in on whether a 23mm rim is adequate for a tire this wide?
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 9:23:06 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Looks like Jan got his first production prototypes for two new 
>> anticipated tire models.  Even fatter road/gravel tires in 559x54 and 
>> 584x48.
>>
>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/
>>
>> Now you need two new bikes to fit these tires!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[Kieran J]

The EL 650bx50 sounds dreamy. 
Has Jan weighed in on whether a 23mm rim is adequate for a tire this wide?

KJ


On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 9:23:06 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Looks like Jan got his first production prototypes for two new anticipated 
> tire models.  Even fatter road/gravel tires in 559x54 and 584x48.
>
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/
>
> Now you need two new bikes to fit these tires!
>

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[RBW] Re: Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[Rod Holland]

Hurrah!

rod

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 9:23:06 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Looks like Jan got his first production prototypes for two new anticipated 
> tire models.  Even fatter road/gravel tires in 559x54 and 584x48.
>
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/
>
> Now you need two new bikes to fit these tires!
>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Campee Rear Rack 26"

[john muhl]

$175 shipped; not sure of the exact model number but it is the same rack as 
pictured here: 
https://www.benscycle.com/p-2137-nitto-campee-rear-rack-26.aspx
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3Vmm_jgi9LKNXdhU05hRFJLTWc&usp=sharing

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[RBW] Jan reports on new Compass tire prototypes

[Bill Lindsay]

Looks like Jan got his first production prototypes for two new anticipated 
tire models.  Even fatter road/gravel tires in 559x54 and 584x48.

https://janheine.wordpress.com/

Now you need two new bikes to fit these tires!

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