Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[ted]

Will,

I also find the Rodeo tempting. However if you want 38mm and larger tires 
with fenders it's not going to have large enough clearances for you. Even 
an AHH may be too tight for you, I find ~40mm (Soma GR) with fenders to be 
as far as I can go on mine.

When I want to ride something "racy" I ride my roughly 35 year old Gios 
with sort of recent components. That bike is very not Riv. Compared to my 
AHH the bars are 3 or 4" lower, the gears are way higher, and the wheelbase 
is much shorter (short chainstays, lots of toe overlap, very quick 
handling). Its a bit of a harsh mistress so thoughts of a Roadeo (or 
custom) occasionally come into my head, but the Hilsen works so well for me 
that I'll probably never get one. Would be fun though, and I don't think 
I've ever heard anyone complaining about regretting getting a Roadeo.

I am a bit perplexed by the frequent comments on this list about grief or 
such from MCFRB riders. I fit in fine with the carbon fans I ride with, and 
they don't give me any grief. I doubt any of them will ever buy a steel 
bike but we all have a good time just the same.

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 7:08:40 PM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>
> This is so true. I test rode a 7 Ti with all the high end stuff (fancy 
> brifters, and so on), because I was looking to buy my Last Bike. 
>
> It was way less fun than my Atlantis with the old school drive train. 
>
> I'd love to ride a Roadeo. I want 36 spoke wheels. I want fenders. I want 
> 38mm tires (at least). 2 pounds here or there is absolute nonsense. My 
> carbon friends will eventually figure this out, until then I will get 
> grief. 
>
> I've had a lot of bikes. You get what you pay for. Rivs are big $$$. They 
> are worth it. 
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 10:12:49 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>> When I was young and stupid, high performance cars were my bad habit. I 
>> was a golfer ( all Pac 8 1974 ) and loved cars. Well, I had suffered from 
>> back problems , even in college. At the ripe old age of 33, I replace 
>> jogging with cycling. I eventually replaced golf with road cycling. I have 
>> never raced. I just didn't want to have the same love-hate with winning and 
>> losing that I had with golf.
>> Well, I just enjoyed cycling so much ( meeting new friends who became 
>> longterm friends ) and the wonderful obsession began. After our kids grew 
>> up and left home my wife entered the sport.
>> After some major digression from the original discussion, I want to tell 
>> you this story. I have bought so many bikes( you can't even imagine and I 
>> still think that Grant 's designs are so perfect for club riders), I just 
>> ride my Roadeo. I currently weigh 186 and have been as low as 162 in the 
>> last years. Frame weight is so overrated. Underatted is how fun it is to 
>> have a great handling bike with all your shifters and whatever working 
>> flawlessly. Nobody is going to race a Roadeo, but many are missing out on 
>> the fun of riding at lower levels of effort and enjoying a bike that rides 
>> and handles like a Roadeo.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap 
>>> would be a Roadeo.
>>>
>>> (Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo 
>>> would top the list.)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the descriptions of handling.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine 
 about even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the 
 drops on my Mark's bar fine. 
  
 I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me 
 total confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I 
 did 
 a rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was 
 hilly and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned 
 out that way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never 
 once 
 uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it, 
 something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was 
 just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it; 
 apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and 
 irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders 
 were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how 
 they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle 
 that stuff fine. 
  

 On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:

> After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought 
> I would give and update. 
> Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just 
> was an active club 

Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 7:08:40 PM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>
> This is so true. I test rode a 7 Ti with all the high end stuff ...  It 
> was way less fun than my Atlantis with the old school drive train. 
>

H.  Could you define "fun"?  Seriously.  I'd posit that your conclusion 
is utterly subjective, not objective.

That comment comes from someone who owns a Merlin Agilis ti, a Schwinn 
Paramount/Serotta ti, a Hampsten/Eriksen custom ti, a "Seven ti with all 
the high end stuff" (used to be mine, but now built up for my wife), and 
two Rivs, among a few others.  They all have their place, and they all have 
their fun.  More fun?  Way less fun?  I can't agree.

Actually, although for years I absolutely loved tough climbing rides on it, 
and although it has a fantastic rear end, the Merlin is a bit too fast in 
the front end for me nowadays, and therein lies subjectivity.

~pb
(Yeah, I'm kind'a tempted by the Rodeo. I bet it would be fun.)


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[RBW] Re: Riv Picnic.

[Kurt Manley]

That last photo, oh man. Tryin to get yourself in trouble.



On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 7:35:35 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Good day for bikes, eating and meeting folks also lug tossing/fishing.
>
> Bad day for kites.
>
> Pictures proved that lug fishing is the only type of fishing needed.
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/mannyacosta/2AsPT8
>
> Mashley
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I use Grand Bois Cypress 700x30 tires on mine--the skinniest tires of any
bike I own.  The comments I get on some rides are, "Wow, that dude is
riding on like cyclocross tires or something."
My motto is as the hill gets steeper go to a lower gear, so I have a
"fancy" 10-spd compatible Sugino triple crank with 12-27 cassette.
Wonderful ride. I always wonder if a 650b custom "Roadeo" may be the
perfect Randonneur bike, although my 650b Ram is pretty near perfect for
me...

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Shimano triple front derailleur 8s/9s

[Tim Gavin]

Conway-
Could you confirm the model of the Tiagra you have? Or, what year is the Cross 
Check from?

I don't want another FD-4403; the spring tab broke on mine because it has a 
design flaw.

Thanks,
Tim

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> On Sep 21, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
> 
> I have a OE tiagra from a cross check or a sora OE from a caseroll.  I'd 
> trade either for king cages.
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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Patrick Moore]

You've convinced me! Now I just need the $$$ ...

On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> Patrick,
> When I was young and stupid, high performance cars were my bad habit. I
> was a golfer ( all Pac 8 1974 ) and loved cars. Well, I had suffered from
> back problems , even in college. At the ripe old age of 33, I replace
> jogging with cycling. I eventually replaced golf with road cycling. I have
> never raced. I just didn't want to have the same love-hate with winning and
> losing that I had with golf.
> Well, I just enjoyed cycling so much ( meeting new friends who became
> longterm friends ) and the wonderful obsession began. After our kids grew
> up and left home my wife entered the sport.
> After some major digression from the original discussion, I want to tell
> you this story. I have bought so many bikes( you can't even imagine and I
> still think that Grant 's designs are so perfect for club riders), I just
> ride my Roadeo. I currently weigh 186 and have been as low as 162 in the
> last years. Frame weight is so overrated. Underatted is how fun it is to
> have a great handling bike with all your shifters and whatever working
> flawlessly. Nobody is going to race a Roadeo, but many are missing out on
> the fun of riding at lower levels of effort and enjoying a bike that rides
> and handles like a Roadeo.
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap
>> would be a Roadeo.
>>
>> (Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo
>> would top the list.)
>>
>> Thanks for the descriptions of handling.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine
>>> about even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the
>>> drops on my Mark's bar fine.
>>>
>>> I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me
>>> total confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I did
>>> a rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was
>>> hilly and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned
>>> out that way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never once
>>> uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it,
>>> something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was
>>> just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it;
>>> apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and
>>> irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders
>>> were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how
>>> they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle
>>> that stuff fine.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>>>
 After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought
 I would give and update.
 Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just
 was an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile
 rides.
 Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics
 makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's
 just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and floating
  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from
 hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
 And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm below
 my saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less hands
 problems on long rides.
 Don Compton

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Re: [RBW] Re: Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[David Banzer]

The product you linked to is for using presta tubes in rims that are 
drilled for Schrader valves.
Definitely seems like the braking force on the front wheel factors into 
this. Or you just have bad luck with tubes.
The Q-tubes, I believe, are just repackaged versions of Kenda or similar 
maker. I don't believe they're anything special. I've used them myself and 
had no problems though.
David
Chicago

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 10:02:46 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> I just bought a set of these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CJZBMK
> Will hopefully do the trick!
>
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Ron Mc  
> wrote:
>
>> that's a grommet.  it requires a larger hole in the rim, but might work.  
>> I've been riding hard on 38mm Barlows with no problem.  I realize it's 
>> apples and oranges and may relate more to the (discontinued) Synergy rims 
>> than anything else.  
>>
>> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 9:40:55 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think these might be the skinniest tires in that range. H, Little 
>>> Big Bens, MSO, Nano40, Marathon Supreme and Hyper-X. These are the 
>>> Supremes, and they measure around 37-38 IIRC. The fatter-ish tires on the 
>>> other rims are not having this problem. 
>>>
>>> The O-rings might be a fix. But put on the inside of the rim. 
>>>
>>> I was thinking something like this: 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Schrader-Presta-Rubber-Rim-Hole-Adaptor/dp/B000XNZU1S
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>>
 I mentioned on another thread that I use UV-resistant O-rings on my 
 valve stems.  I put one on before the nut, and another after the nut.  
 This 
 keeps the nut from over-tightening or spinning loose, and provides some 
 measure of damping at the rim.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[Ron Mc]

hope that works for you - it's certainly going to reduce bending moment on 
the valve stem at the rim opening

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 10:02:46 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> I just bought a set of these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CJZBMK
> Will hopefully do the trick!
>
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Ron Mc  
> wrote:
>
>> that's a grommet.  it requires a larger hole in the rim, but might work.  
>> I've been riding hard on 38mm Barlows with no problem.  I realize it's 
>> apples and oranges and may relate more to the (discontinued) Synergy rims 
>> than anything else.  
>>
>> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 9:40:55 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think these might be the skinniest tires in that range. H, Little 
>>> Big Bens, MSO, Nano40, Marathon Supreme and Hyper-X. These are the 
>>> Supremes, and they measure around 37-38 IIRC. The fatter-ish tires on the 
>>> other rims are not having this problem. 
>>>
>>> The O-rings might be a fix. But put on the inside of the rim. 
>>>
>>> I was thinking something like this: 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Schrader-Presta-Rubber-Rim-Hole-Adaptor/dp/B000XNZU1S
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>>
 I mentioned on another thread that I use UV-resistant O-rings on my 
 valve stems.  I put one on before the nut, and another after the nut.  
 This 
 keeps the nut from over-tightening or spinning loose, and provides some 
 measure of damping at the rim.  

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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/20/2015 10:37 AM, Lungimsam wrote:

Also there is a Berthoud sidepulls rack but I would not use one per Tony 
DeFillipos post about the design flaw that appears to be a safety hazard?



You know, I used that exact rack (not exactly the same, but /the very/ 
rack) for thousands of miles without a problem.  The trouble with that 
rack was an installation failure.


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[RBW] Re: Sackville gray vs Berthoud gray?

[David Banzer]

Hi Peter,
I've just ran out of gray fabric, but can always get more. The gray rando 
bag is sold. I do have a mini-rando/saddle-wedge set in gray that I haven't 
put up for sale yet, but that'd be a minimalist bag setup.
I do have a Carradice-style bag that I've made for myself: 
http://treetopbags.blogspot.com/2015/07/large-saddlebag-black-black.html
I'm a hobbyist of a bagmaker, still have a lot to learn. I wouldn't put 
myself in the same grouping of the others you mentioned, but aspire to be 
someday when I have more spare time.
David
Chicago

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 10:58:08 PM UTC-5, Peter Adler wrote:
>
> Sorry about that; clicked the wrong button. Further bagmaker links below:
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 8:49:10 PM UTC-7, Peter Adler wrote:
>>
>> Ideally, if you want a saddlebag and a handlebar bag to match each other 
>> *exactly*, you'd contact a custom bag maker and have them make both bags 
>> out of the same fabric. If Sackville doesn't make rando bags to your liking 
>> - say, if the BarSack  
>> isn't your cuppa - there are a number of excellent bag makers around, such 
>> as Ruthworks  
>> in San Francisco, Swift Industries  in 
>> Seattle, my friend Phil Woosley/Loyal Designs  in 
>> Richmond, CA, and of course our fellow list-member David Banzer 
>>  in Chicago, among others.
>>
>
> David currently has a traditional rando bag in gray canvas listed, which 
> appears to be the same color as a saddle wedge I got from him not too long 
> ago. A Carradice-style tubular saddlebag is a much bigger item than most of 
> the bags he currently has listed, but I image the engineering isn't 
> radically different. David, do you still have enough yardage left from the 
> lot you got the rando from to do a full saddlebag?
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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Will]

This is so true. I test rode a 7 Ti with all the high end stuff (fancy 
brifters, and so on), because I was looking to buy my Last Bike. 

It was way less fun than my Atlantis with the old school drive train. 

I'd love to ride a Roadeo. I want 36 spoke wheels. I want fenders. I want 
38mm tires (at least). 2 pounds here or there is absolute nonsense. My 
carbon friends will eventually figure this out, until then I will get 
grief. 

I've had a lot of bikes. You get what you pay for. Rivs are big $$$. They 
are worth it. 

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 10:12:49 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>
> Patrick,
> When I was young and stupid, high performance cars were my bad habit. I 
> was a golfer ( all Pac 8 1974 ) and loved cars. Well, I had suffered from 
> back problems , even in college. At the ripe old age of 33, I replace 
> jogging with cycling. I eventually replaced golf with road cycling. I have 
> never raced. I just didn't want to have the same love-hate with winning and 
> losing that I had with golf.
> Well, I just enjoyed cycling so much ( meeting new friends who became 
> longterm friends ) and the wonderful obsession began. After our kids grew 
> up and left home my wife entered the sport.
> After some major digression from the original discussion, I want to tell 
> you this story. I have bought so many bikes( you can't even imagine and I 
> still think that Grant 's designs are so perfect for club riders), I just 
> ride my Roadeo. I currently weigh 186 and have been as low as 162 in the 
> last years. Frame weight is so overrated. Underatted is how fun it is to 
> have a great handling bike with all your shifters and whatever working 
> flawlessly. Nobody is going to race a Roadeo, but many are missing out on 
> the fun of riding at lower levels of effort and enjoying a bike that rides 
> and handles like a Roadeo.
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap 
>> would be a Roadeo.
>>
>> (Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo 
>> would top the list.)
>>
>> Thanks for the descriptions of handling.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine 
>>> about even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the 
>>> drops on my Mark's bar fine. 
>>>  
>>> I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me 
>>> total confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I did 
>>> a rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was 
>>> hilly and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned 
>>> out that way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never once 
>>> uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it, 
>>> something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was 
>>> just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it; 
>>> apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and 
>>> irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders 
>>> were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how 
>>> they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle 
>>> that stuff fine. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>>>
 After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought 
 I would give and update. 
 Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just 
 was an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile 
 rides.
 Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics 
 makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's 
 just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and floating 
  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from 
 hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
 And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm below 
 my saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less hands 
 problems on long rides. 
 Don Compton

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[RBW] MUSA pants

[john]

Sorry I forgot some pertinent info:

the pants are black, and size M.

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Re: [RBW] (New School) MUSA pants for sale

[David]

I'm interested John. Let me know if they're still available and I'll follow up 
tomorrow.
Thanks. 
David

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> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:48 PM, john  wrote:
> 
> I've had these for a few years, I guess. I don't wear them because I prefer 
> the Old School MUSA pants (the ones with the velcro closure at the ankle) 
> which I wear more than any pants I own. 
> 
> These New School pants (zipper at the ankle) are in terrific shape, no 
> blemishes of any kind, it's just that I never wear them. Maybe someone out 
> there likes the New School better than me?
> 
> Sized Medium, but I'd only recommend them to someone who has thin legs, like 
> me. They aren't as roomy as the Old School pants, in my estimation.
> 
> $25 shipped?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[cyclotourist]

Yes, could be bad luck. But kinda' weird only one wheel giving me this
problem, even intermittently. I'll try these sleeves and see how it work
out. Have to drill out the hole a little to get them to fit. What could go
wrong?

And yes Q-tubes are usually Kenda, but I think I've seen a few other mfgs
as well. They all have removable valve stem which is kinda' nice.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:25 AM, David Banzer  wrote:

> The product you linked to is for using presta tubes in rims that are
> drilled for Schrader valves.
> Definitely seems like the braking force on the front wheel factors into
> this. Or you just have bad luck with tubes.
> The Q-tubes, I believe, are just repackaged versions of Kenda or similar
> maker. I don't believe they're anything special. I've used them myself and
> had no problems though.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 10:02:46 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> I just bought a set of these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CJZBMK
>> Will hopefully do the trick!
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>>> that's a grommet.  it requires a larger hole in the rim, but might
>>> work.  I've been riding hard on 38mm Barlows with no problem.  I realize
>>> it's apples and oranges and may relate more to the (discontinued) Synergy
>>> rims than anything else.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 9:40:55 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:

 I think these might be the skinniest tires in that range. H, Little
 Big Bens, MSO, Nano40, Marathon Supreme and Hyper-X. These are the
 Supremes, and they measure around 37-38 IIRC. The fatter-ish tires on the
 other rims are not having this problem.

 The O-rings might be a fix. But put on the inside of the rim.

 I was thinking something like this:
 http://www.amazon.com/Schrader-Presta-Rubber-Rim-Hole-Adaptor/dp/B000XNZU1S

 On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> I mentioned on another thread that I use UV-resistant O-rings on my
> valve stems.  I put one on before the nut, and another after the nut.  
> This
> keeps the nut from over-tightening or spinning loose, and provides some
> measure of damping at the rim.
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[RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Ron Mc]

My Barlows have stretched out to 38mm (rated) in the rear, and barely 36mm 
in front.  They get smoother and faster as they stretch and relax.  .  

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 8:37:44 PM UTC-5, Zach Duval wrote:
>
> Has anyone mounted these tires? These seem to be dream tires for my 
> Hillborne, but I've not yet had a pair of Compass tires, and so I'd like 
> some clarification as to fit. I've read that they may grow 2-3mm after 
> settling in?
>
> Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!
>
> Zach
> Kalispell, MT
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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Don Compton]

Will,
I compromise a little on the Riv theme. On my Roadeo, I have a Shimano 
Ultegra 11sp setup with a compact crankset. With my 12-29 Campy cassette, I 
have finally found the combo that allows me to ride on any rides ( any ride 
that I want to ride ). Tires, however, I stick with the Riv theme. I use 
700x28 Grand Bois Cerfs pumped up to a monumental 60lbs front and 70lbs 
rear. No race theme there.

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 7:08:40 PM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>
> This is so true. I test rode a 7 Ti with all the high end stuff (fancy 
> brifters, and so on), because I was looking to buy my Last Bike. 
>
> It was way less fun than my Atlantis with the old school drive train. 
>
> I'd love to ride a Roadeo. I want 36 spoke wheels. I want fenders. I want 
> 38mm tires (at least). 2 pounds here or there is absolute nonsense. My 
> carbon friends will eventually figure this out, until then I will get 
> grief. 
>
> I've had a lot of bikes. You get what you pay for. Rivs are big $$$. They 
> are worth it. 
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 10:12:49 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>> When I was young and stupid, high performance cars were my bad habit. I 
>> was a golfer ( all Pac 8 1974 ) and loved cars. Well, I had suffered from 
>> back problems , even in college. At the ripe old age of 33, I replace 
>> jogging with cycling. I eventually replaced golf with road cycling. I have 
>> never raced. I just didn't want to have the same love-hate with winning and 
>> losing that I had with golf.
>> Well, I just enjoyed cycling so much ( meeting new friends who became 
>> longterm friends ) and the wonderful obsession began. After our kids grew 
>> up and left home my wife entered the sport.
>> After some major digression from the original discussion, I want to tell 
>> you this story. I have bought so many bikes( you can't even imagine and I 
>> still think that Grant 's designs are so perfect for club riders), I just 
>> ride my Roadeo. I currently weigh 186 and have been as low as 162 in the 
>> last years. Frame weight is so overrated. Underatted is how fun it is to 
>> have a great handling bike with all your shifters and whatever working 
>> flawlessly. Nobody is going to race a Roadeo, but many are missing out on 
>> the fun of riding at lower levels of effort and enjoying a bike that rides 
>> and handles like a Roadeo.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap 
>>> would be a Roadeo.
>>>
>>> (Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo 
>>> would top the list.)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the descriptions of handling.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine 
 about even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the 
 drops on my Mark's bar fine. 
  
 I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me 
 total confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I 
 did 
 a rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was 
 hilly and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned 
 out that way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never 
 once 
 uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it, 
 something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was 
 just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it; 
 apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and 
 irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders 
 were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how 
 they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle 
 that stuff fine. 
  

 On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:

> After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought 
> I would give and update. 
> Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just 
> was an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile 
> rides.
> Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics 
> makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's 
> just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and 
> floating 
>  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from 
> hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
> And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm 
> below my saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less 
> hands problems on long rides. 
> Don Compton
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[RBW] Re: WTT Bs Champion Flyer for B67

[Frank Brose]

Found one. Thanks everyone.
Frank

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 5:07:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Brose wrote:
>
> I need a B67 for my sit up and enjoy America crusing vessel. I have a 
> Champion Flyer (New) I'll trade. No need for the B67 to be new, just decent 
> shape. I have 2 Flyers black or honey your choice and i don't care what 
> color the B67 is because it will be located under me so it really doesn't 
> matter.
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[RBW] Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Zach Duval]

Has anyone mounted these tires? These seem to be dream tires for my 
Hillborne, but I've not yet had a pair of Compass tires, and so I'd like 
some clarification as to fit. I've read that they may grow 2-3mm after 
settling in?

Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!

Zach
Kalispell, MT

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Don Compton]

Toshi, 
You and I have just illustrated the virtue of Grant's designs. The Roadeo 
can work for many.

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 8:52:21 PM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I use Grand Bois Cypress 700x30 tires on mine--the skinniest tires of any 
> bike I own.  The comments I get on some rides are, "Wow, that dude is 
> riding on like cyclocross tires or something."  
> My motto is as the hill gets steeper go to a lower gear, so I have a 
> "fancy" 10-spd compatible Sugino triple crank with 12-27 cassette.  
> Wonderful ride. I always wonder if a 650b custom "Roadeo" may be the 
> perfect Randonneur bike, although my 650b Ram is pretty near perfect for 
> me...
>
> Toshi
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[M D Smith]

Patrick-

I'm still thinking wood is the way to go:

Get a scrap of 1/4" plywood and step on it.  (You could also experiment with 
1/8", but it might be a bit too flexible.)  Trace or have someone else trace 
your foot.  Cut the foot shaped pieces out, or use them as a template to form 
you Platonic ideal of a "barefoot pedal intended for long distance 
riding/comfort."

Now drill holes to zip tie them to your current pedals, file out a small groove 
between the holes so the tie doesn't sit proud of the platform.  Spend a 
contemplative evening sanding them until they are buttery smooth, afix them to 
your pedals, et voilà, Bob's yer uncle!  You could also stain and/or wax the 
wood to give it some extra style.

Cheers- Mike in Bklyn, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

How's plywood once it gets wet?  There are two possible issues here: 
delamination and slipperiness.


On 09/21/2015 11:47 AM, M D Smith wrote:

Patrick-

I'm still thinking wood is the way to go:

Get a scrap of 1/4" plywood and step on it.  (You could also experiment with 1/8", but it 
might be a bit too flexible.)  Trace or have someone else trace your foot.  Cut the foot shaped 
pieces out, or use them as a template to form you Platonic ideal of a "barefoot pedal intended 
for long distance riding/comfort."

Now drill holes to zip tie them to your current pedals, file out a small groove 
between the holes so the tie doesn't sit proud of the platform.  Spend a 
contemplative evening sanding them until they are buttery smooth, afix them to 
your pedals, et voilà, Bob's yer uncle!  You could also stain and/or wax the 
wood to give it some extra style.

Cheers- Mike in Bklyn, NY



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Eric Norris]

How about a set of the now-discontinued Phil Wood “CHP” pedals? Still available 
in the aftermarket:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHIL-WOOD-CHP-Platform-pedals-Christophe-Med-Toe-Clips/191550439974?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D32483%26meid%3D8ec01677bbf244899339c96bfa18ff59%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D221878629968
 

 

I recall a guy here in NorCal back in the ‘80s who used these on long-distance 
rides (centuries, etc.). Phil Wood has excellent customer service, and will 
probably rebuild them for you for a fee.

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> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:46 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Ellis and everyone suggesting different material pedals. The Motos 
> are ones I've had my eye on for a while. Their platform, I suspect, is too 
> small for me. I have cheep plastic pedals the same size and they are too 
> small underfoot.
> 
> The Ergon look good, but are horrible under a bare foot. The challenge is 
> there are no actual barefoot pedals intended for long distance 
> riding/comfort. The niche of a niche of a niche of a niche is just too small. 
> Grin.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 8:08:36 AM UTC-6, Ellis Dee wrote:
> So, getting back to the original subject of riding aluminum pedals barefoot 
> and avoiding metal-to-skin contact, what did you think about the plastic 
> pedals?  It seems like an obvious answer, just changing the material to 
> something else.  Plastic, wood, rubber, etc.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

Aren't those platforms on the CHP pedals aluminum?

On 09/21/2015 11:32 AM, Eric Norris wrote:
How about a set of the now-discontinued Phil Wood “CHP” pedals? Still 
available in the aftermarket:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHIL-WOOD-CHP-Platform-pedals-Christophe-Med-Toe-Clips/191550439974?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D32483%26meid%3D8ec01677bbf244899339c96bfa18ff59%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D221878629968 
 



I recall a guy here in NorCal back in the ‘80s who used these on 
long-distance rides (centuries, etc.). Phil Wood has excellent 
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[RBW] Re: My Cheviot/Cheviut build report

[Philip Kim]

nice ride report. i didn't get along with the tektro long pulls much. i 
liked them better with flat bar than drop bars.

if you're budget allows i would look into paul racers. got them on my 
hillborne. very good brakes. Feel like well set up cantis, and stop me on a 
dime.

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 9:51:10 PM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> I bought a used Cheviot frame from a listmember earlier this week, and 
> thanks to Mike's lightning fast shipping, I'm already able to put up some 
> build pictures and initial ride reports:
>
> http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2015/09/so-i-bought-rivendell.html
>
> I have kind of mixed feelings about it so far, so we'll see how it goes 
> after some more miles slip under my extraordinarily long chainstays.
>
> Eric
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[RBW] Re: FS 56 Sam Hillborne

[Miles]

Still on the market.  I also bought a 54 Hunqapillar from another member 
and since I can't keep both, one has to go.  PM if interested in either 
one.  

On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 8:44:24 PM UTC-4, Miles wrote:
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 1:59:30 PM UTC-4, Miles wrote:
>>
>> Still interested in selling. Sounds like they may be stopping production 
>> soon. Bike is like new.
>
>
> Here is a link to a photo.  I'm including a marks rack but no pedals or 
> saddle
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/43976096@N08/21186431011/in/datetaken/
>
> $1900 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto R10, Nitto Uplift, Carradice SQR

[dailyrandonneur]

Update: All sold. A buyer took the lot. Thanks to other inquirers for your 
interest. 

Ed


On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 10:27:29 AM UTC-4, dailyrandonneur wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> I've got some extra saddlebag support racks I used with Carradice bags. 
> All clamp to the seat post -- useful for bikes without rack mounts.
>
> See photos of everything are at: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/albums/72157656545073274
>
> Items ship tracked Priority Mail from 20024 in Washington, DC. Discounted 
> pricing for local pickup.
>
> Paypal accepted. Preference goes to multiple item orders; deduct $5 for 
> each additional item; or take all four for $120 shipped.
>
> 1. Nitto R10 rack. 20.5cm stays, uncut. No. 1 in photos. Slight 
> discoloration spot on underside. With seatstay clamps. $50 shipped.
>
> 2. Nitto R10 rack. 26 cm stays, uncut. No. 2 in photos. With seatstay 
> clamps. Marks on stays at clamp bolt locations. $50 shipped.
>
> More details on the R10 at: 
> https://www.benscycle.com/p-2107-nitto-r10-rear-rack.aspx
>
> 3. Nitto Uplift, the old model that is long gone, Grant sold it in the 
> early days of Riv. I picked this one up from another rider who used it, and 
> everything looks in order, no cracking at the clamp. I cleaned it up but 
> never installed it. $25 shipped.
>
> 4. Carradice SQR uplift. Briefly used, clean and in good working condition 
> with the spring needed for the plastic red slider in the block. You need a 
> minimum 49mm exposed seat post. $25 shipped. More details at: 
> www.sjscycles.co.uk/carradice-sqr-saddlebag-uplift-system-prod621
>
> Thanks. Any questions, please don't hesitate. 
>
> Ed Felker
> Washington, DC
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[RBW] My Cheviot/Cheviut build report

[Daniel D.]

1.3 chains?!  That would drive me crazy.  Especially on build day when i would 
only have one chain.

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[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Garth]

  
While we're talking way out and wonderful ways of the pedal  .  . . . 
.how about wrapping your existing pedals in twine ?  You could install the 
original pins , some or all, and use them to stabilize the twine of some 
gauge . By the time you're finished with the twine, the cleats and the 
twine will be on the same level. Then shellac the whole thing to weather 
and sweat proof and yet still enough grip  !   Brilliant !   

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[RBW] Re: My Cheviot/Cheviut build report

[Philip Kim]

I think you can use one of these 
https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/brakes/rene-herse-straddle-cable-hanger/, 
and just use a mountain brake cable as the straddle cable.

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 12:17:52 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Would centerpulls work on this? Seems like it'd be impossible in the rear 
> with the long chainstays and cable routing.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 10:57:09 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> nice ride report. i didn't get along with the tektro long pulls much. i 
>> liked them better with flat bar than drop bars.
>>
>> if you're budget allows i would look into paul racers. got them on my 
>> hillborne. very good brakes. Feel like well set up cantis, and stop me on a 
>> dime.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 9:51:10 PM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a used Cheviot frame from a listmember earlier this week, and 
>>> thanks to Mike's lightning fast shipping, I'm already able to put up some 
>>> build pictures and initial ride reports:
>>>
>>> http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2015/09/so-i-bought-rivendell.html
>>>
>>> I have kind of mixed feelings about it so far, so we'll see how it goes 
>>> after some more miles slip under my extraordinarily long chainstays.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My Cheviot/Cheviut build report

[Bill Lindsay]

A few people have set up their Cheviut with centerpulls.  You have to be a 
little creative on the cable routing setup, but it can been done.  Use the 
googler and you will find examples.  

Bill

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 9:17:52 AM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Would centerpulls work on this? Seems like it'd be impossible in the rear 
> with the long chainstays and cable routing.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 10:57:09 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> nice ride report. i didn't get along with the tektro long pulls much. i 
>> liked them better with flat bar than drop bars.
>>
>> if you're budget allows i would look into paul racers. got them on my 
>> hillborne. very good brakes. Feel like well set up cantis, and stop me on a 
>> dime.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 9:51:10 PM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a used Cheviot frame from a listmember earlier this week, and 
>>> thanks to Mike's lightning fast shipping, I'm already able to put up some 
>>> build pictures and initial ride reports:
>>>
>>> http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2015/09/so-i-bought-rivendell.html
>>>
>>> I have kind of mixed feelings about it so far, so we'll see how it goes 
>>> after some more miles slip under my extraordinarily long chainstays.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My Cheviot/Cheviut build report

[David Banzer]

Gotcha. That's a long straddle cable. Centerpulls on mixtes of course are 
commonplace, just that the long chainstays of the Cheviot require an even 
longer straddle cable. I've read that straddle cable length for centerpulls 
is much less of a concern than it is for cantis. Just wondering how well 
they work with a lengthy straddle cable.
David
Chicago

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> A few people have set up their Cheviut with centerpulls.  You have to be a 
> little creative on the cable routing setup, but it can been done.  Use the 
> googler and you will find examples.  
>
> Bill
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 9:17:52 AM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> Would centerpulls work on this? Seems like it'd be impossible in the rear 
>> with the long chainstays and cable routing.
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
>> On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 10:57:09 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> nice ride report. i didn't get along with the tektro long pulls much. i 
>>> liked them better with flat bar than drop bars.
>>>
>>> if you're budget allows i would look into paul racers. got them on my 
>>> hillborne. very good brakes. Feel like well set up cantis, and stop me on a 
>>> dime.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 9:51:10 PM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:

 I bought a used Cheviot frame from a listmember earlier this week, and 
 thanks to Mike's lightning fast shipping, I'm already able to put up some 
 build pictures and initial ride reports:

 http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2015/09/so-i-bought-rivendell.html

 I have kind of mixed feelings about it so far, so we'll see how it goes 
 after some more miles slip under my extraordinarily long chainstays.

 Eric

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Eric Norris]

Yes, but that wide, flat platform would seem to reduce the pressure points that 
the Deacon is experiencing from standard pedals.

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> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:45 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> Aren't those platforms on the CHP pedals aluminum?
> 
> On 09/21/2015 11:32 AM, Eric Norris wrote:
>> How about a set of the now-discontinued Phil Wood “CHP” pedals? Still 
>> available in the aftermarket:
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHIL-WOOD-CHP-Platform-pedals-Christophe-Med-Toe-Clips/191550439974?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D32483%26meid%3D8ec01677bbf244899339c96bfa18ff59%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D221878629968
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I recall a guy here in NorCal back in the ‘80s who used these on 
>> long-distance rides (centuries, etc.). Phil Wood has excellent customer 
>> service, and will probably rebuild them for you for a fee.
>> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: My Cheviot/Cheviut build report

[David Banzer]

Would centerpulls work on this? Seems like it'd be impossible in the rear 
with the long chainstays and cable routing.
David
Chicago

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 10:57:09 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> nice ride report. i didn't get along with the tektro long pulls much. i 
> liked them better with flat bar than drop bars.
>
> if you're budget allows i would look into paul racers. got them on my 
> hillborne. very good brakes. Feel like well set up cantis, and stop me on a 
> dime.
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 9:51:10 PM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> I bought a used Cheviot frame from a listmember earlier this week, and 
>> thanks to Mike's lightning fast shipping, I'm already able to put up some 
>> build pictures and initial ride reports:
>>
>> http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2015/09/so-i-bought-rivendell.html
>>
>> I have kind of mixed feelings about it so far, so we'll see how it goes 
>> after some more miles slip under my extraordinarily long chainstays.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Toby Whitfield]

I would think that a strong, durable hardwood would be superior to plywood. 
White oak or something similar. Personally I would use bolts countersunk in 
white oak over top of thin gripsters or something similar. Even better if the 
profile of the pedals matches the shape of the pedal so that there isn't a 
significant amount that is cantilevered. 

If going plywood, a marine grade Baltic birch ply might work, but of course the 
glues might be worse than the aluminum. I guess skateboard decks would be a 
good source of appropriate plywood. 

Toby 
Toronto 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Patrick Moore]

Here's an old Indian (S Asia) *truc* for pedals, used when your rubber
block pedals wear out and you haven't the $ for new ones:

Take a 4" section of wood; 2 X 4 is good.

Bore hole through the middle.

Slide over pedal spindle.

Add washer, nut, and locknut.

Or you can just pedal on the spindles. Chappals help. Wearing chappals is
almost like going barefoot.




On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Toby Whitfield 
wrote:

> I would think that a strong, durable hardwood would be superior to
> plywood. White oak or something similar. Personally I would use bolts
> countersunk in white oak over top of thin gripsters or something similar.
> Even better if the profile of the pedals matches the shape of the pedal so
> that there isn't a significant amount that is cantilevered.
>
> If going plywood, a marine grade Baltic birch ply might work, but of
> course the glues might be worse than the aluminum. I guess skateboard decks
> would be a good source of appropriate plywood.
>
> Toby
> Toronto
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[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

Thank you, Ellis and everyone suggesting different material pedals. The 
Motos are ones I've had my eye on for a while. Their platform, I suspect, 
is too small for me. I have cheep plastic pedals the same size and they are 
too small underfoot.

The Ergon look good, but are horrible under a bare foot. The challenge is 
there are no actual barefoot pedals intended for long distance 
riding/comfort. The niche of a niche of a niche of a niche is just too 
small. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 8:08:36 AM UTC-6, Ellis Dee wrote:
>
> So, getting back to the original subject of riding aluminum pedals 
> barefoot and avoiding metal-to-skin contact, what did you think about the 
> plastic pedals?  It seems like an obvious answer, just changing the 
> material to something else.  Plastic, wood, rubber, etc.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/21/2015 10:46 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Thank you, Ellis and everyone suggesting different material pedals. 
The Motos are ones I've had my eye on for a while. Their platform, I 
suspect, is too small for me. I have cheep plastic pedals the same 
size and they are too small underfoot.


The Ergon look good, but are horrible under a bare foot. The challenge 
is there are no actual barefoot pedals intended for long distance 
riding/comfort. The niche of a niche of a niche of a niche is just too 
small. Grin.



How are the old traditional rubber block pedals that used to come on 
those wonderful Raleigh 3-speeds for barefoot long distance comfort?




These are MKS, $30 at sheldonbrown.com

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[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Ellis Dee]

So, getting back to the original subject of riding aluminum pedals barefoot 
and avoiding metal-to-skin contact, what did you think about the plastic 
pedals?  It seems like an obvious answer, just changing the material to 
something else.  Plastic, wood, rubber, etc.

By the way, these look comfortable for riding barefoot:
http://www.motobicycles.com/home-en.html


On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 1:34:05 AM UTC+1, Ellis Dee wrote:
>
> ...
>
Thus, you might just want to go for some cheap plastic ones:
>
> https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=42731=114
>
> or the Ergon PC2 made of "composite material":
> http://www.ergon-bike.com/us/en/product/pc2
>
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[RBW] FS: Nitto R10, Nitto Uplift, Carradice SQR

[Ed Felker]

Hey folks,

I've got some extra saddlebag support racks I used with Carradice bags. All
clamp to the seat post -- useful for bikes without rack mounts.

See photos of everything are at:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/albums/72157656545073274

Items ship tracked Priority Mail from 20024 in Washington, DC. Discounted
pricing for local pickup.

Paypal accepted. Preference goes to multiple item orders; deduct $5 for
each additional item; or take all four for $120 shipped.

1. Nitto R10 rack. 20.5cm stays, uncut. No. 1 in photos. Slight
discoloration spot on underside. With seatstay clamps. $50 shipped.

2. Nitto R10 rack. 26 cm stays, uncut. No. 2 in photos. With seatstay
clamps. Marks on stays at clamp bolt locations. $50 shipped.

More details on the R10 at:
https://www.benscycle.com/p-2107-nitto-r10-rear-rack.aspx

3. Nitto Uplift, the old model that is long gone, Grant sold it in the
early days of Riv. I picked this one up from another rider who used it, and
everything looks in order, no cracking at the clamp. I cleaned it up but
never installed it. $25 shipped.

4. Carradice SQR uplift. Briefly used, clean and in good working condition
with the spring needed for the plastic red slider in the block. You need a
minimum 49mm exposed seat post. $25 shipped. More details at:
www.sjscycles.co.uk/carradice-sqr-saddlebag-uplift-system-prod621

Thanks. Any questions, please don't hesitate.

Ed Felker
Washington, DC

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[RBW] WTB: Shimano triple front derailleur 8s/9s

[Tim Gavin]

The front derailleur on my girlfriend's Soma San Marcos broke, so I need a
replacement.

She is using Shimano STI shifters and a 50/39/30 triple, so the
triple-specific Shimano FDs work best.  8 speed currently, so an 8 or 9
speed version is preferred.

Please let me know what you have.

I can swap King Iris cages, or other bits, or pay cash.

Shipping to IA.

Thanks,
Tim Gavin

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Bill Lindsay]

Holy CRAP!  Don Compton was all-conference in a year where both Peter 
Jacobsen (Oregon) and Craig Stadler (USC) competed in the conference. 
 That's no freaking joke.  Hat's off (and Go Bears!)

Bill class-of-1991-and-1999-and-2001 Lindsay

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 8:12:49 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> Patrick,
> When I was young and stupid, high performance cars were my bad habit. I 
> was a golfer ( all Pac 8 1974 ) and loved cars. Well, I had suffered from 
> back problems , even in college. At the ripe old age of 33, I replace 
> jogging with cycling. I eventually replaced golf with road cycling. I have 
> never raced. I just didn't want to have the same love-hate with winning and 
> losing that I had with golf.
> Well, I just enjoyed cycling so much ( meeting new friends who became 
> longterm friends ) and the wonderful obsession began. After our kids grew 
> up and left home my wife entered the sport.
> After some major digression from the original discussion, I want to tell 
> you this story. I have bought so many bikes( you can't even imagine and I 
> still think that Grant 's designs are so perfect for club riders), I just 
> ride my Roadeo. I currently weigh 186 and have been as low as 162 in the 
> last years. Frame weight is so overrated. Underatted is how fun it is to 
> have a great handling bike with all your shifters and whatever working 
> flawlessly. Nobody is going to race a Roadeo, but many are missing out on 
> the fun of riding at lower levels of effort and enjoying a bike that rides 
> and handles like a Roadeo.
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap 
>> would be a Roadeo.
>>
>> (Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo 
>> would top the list.)
>>
>> Thanks for the descriptions of handling.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine 
>>> about even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the 
>>> drops on my Mark's bar fine. 
>>>  
>>> I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me 
>>> total confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I did 
>>> a rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was 
>>> hilly and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned 
>>> out that way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never once 
>>> uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it, 
>>> something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was 
>>> just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it; 
>>> apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and 
>>> irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders 
>>> were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how 
>>> they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle 
>>> that stuff fine. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>>>
 After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought 
 I would give and update. 
 Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just 
 was an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile 
 rides.
 Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics 
 makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's 
 just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and floating 
  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from 
 hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
 And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm below 
 my saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less hands 
 problems on long rides. 
 Don Compton

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Re: [RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Toshi Takeuchi]

He's just a slow 650b Ram adopter :).

Toshi


On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Sorry I missed the detail that this is for your Ram.
>
> Bill
>
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[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

I have 1/4" solid oak platformes from my Bullseye pedals, just unsure 
what/how to mount them on a pedal. Today I forgot and took off without 
shoes. Great ride. I took this after some LCG up decomposed granite, but 
some of the discoloration can still be seen. I'm posting because poking a 
hornet's nest is fun to see what happens after. Grin. Enjoy! 

With abandon,
Patrick



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Ron Mc]

if it doesn't get splinters in his feet, Deac won't like it.  

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 11:40:47 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Here's an old Indian (S Asia) *truc* for pedals, used when your rubber 
> block pedals wear out and you haven't the $ for new ones:
>
> Take a 4" section of wood; 2 X 4 is good.
>
> Bore hole through the middle.
>
> Slide over pedal spindle.
>
> Add washer, nut, and locknut.
>
> Or you can just pedal on the spindles. Chappals help. Wearing chappals is 
> almost like going barefoot.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Toby Whitfield  > wrote:
>
>> I would think that a strong, durable hardwood would be superior to 
>> plywood. White oak or something similar. Personally I would use bolts 
>> countersunk in white oak over top of thin gripsters or something similar. 
>> Even better if the profile of the pedals matches the shape of the pedal so 
>> that there isn't a significant amount that is cantilevered.
>>
>> If going plywood, a marine grade Baltic birch ply might work, but of 
>> course the glues might be worse than the aluminum. I guess skateboard decks 
>> would be a good source of appropriate plywood.
>>
>> Toby
>> Toronto
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[RBW] WTB: Shimano triple front derailleur 8s/9s

[Conway Bennett]

I have a OE tiagra from a cross check or a sora OE from a caseroll.  I'd trade 
either for king cages.

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