[RBW] Free order

[Ron Mc]

I know a bunch of vendors have points promotions, and I'd add I recently 
took advantage of my past purchases from Rivendell when I pre-ordered the 
new MUSA shorts.  
It's a brilliant promotion.  I also like that it doesn't go away.  

Nothing down on Ben's cycle, but their points discount has a short life.  

It's literally been years since I bought tires from Bike Tires Direct, but 
in the past, have bought Paselas and tubies - their prices are good, their 
shipping works for me, and they even handled warranty for me on two 
Challenge tubulars.  

I have a set of rims arriving by UPS today.  Thinking about it last night, 
was googling for the rim strips I'll need.  
The ones I wanted popped up a best price price I BTD, so I visited there. 
 Checked my account, and I had $26 credit balance from my accrued points. 
 Loaded up my cart with odds and ends - the rim strips, two Tufo valve core 
tools, a free latex tube - it was all free - I only paid the $5 postage.  

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[RBW] Re: First Impressions of Nitto Albatross Bars on my 1985 Trek 620

['Mark Etze' via RBW Owners Bunch]

40's will fit. I had mine set up with Clement MSO's and the ride was super 
nice. 

I wish I had thought to try it with Albatross bars because I may still have 
it.






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[RBW] Re: silver a crank forward

[Dave Johnston]

The trick with the hidden bolt is to put the one short chainring nut in the 
ring then place the ring rotated off by a few degrees and then rotate the 
ring into place.  The newer ones seem to have a bigger gap at the hidden 
hole than the older ones, so they are easier. 

None of the ones I have have thin spacers so I'm not sure what that is 
about. Where are these spacers?

-Dave J

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 11:22:02 PM UTC-4, Mobile Bill wrote:
>
> Seems like discussions about the new Silver cranks got lost in the q 
> factor, but after working to put my handsome Sugino back together this 
> weekend, I have got to take my greasy hat off to Grant and Co. for finally 
> fixing that nearly unfixable crank. No hidden bolts, no fiddly spacer 
> wafers to lose or forget where they go or try to hold in place with one 
> hand while the other two hands are engaged trying to match the bolt with 
> the rings...and then there's the Silver's holey chain guard, which should 
> greatly reduce the agitation required to clean the chain rings, as well as 
> eliminating the chain jumping that is almost inevitable with the Sugino 
> chain guard. Wish all "improvements" were so practical and thoughtful. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Bags

[Dave Johnston]

with a 72cm saddle height and 700c wheels the Med was banging on the fender 
while empty. I wasn't comfortable with that so installed a rack. I don't 
know how much weight a plastic SKS fender will support.

-Dave

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I was wondering if I could get some thoughts on a new saddle 
> bag for my Sam. My current setup is I have a Mark's rack on the front 
> combined with a Wald 137 Basket and a Swift Industries Sugar Loaf bag. My 
> saddlebag is a Sackville X-small. This is a great set up for all around 
> riding. I am considering adding a saddle bag that will allow me to carry 
> some extra cargo. I don't have a rear rack and don't have any intention of 
> adding one. That limits me to the Small or the Medium Sackville. I am 
> trying to decide between these two sizes and I am not sure what to do. My 
> goal is to have a bag big enough for commuting and possibly some S24O 
> trips. I don't currently have the gear for the overnight camping and wonder 
> really how much I'll get to do that. I was initially leaning towards the 
> small but thought why not get the medium. I might be happy to have the 
> extra space when I need it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! 
>
> Tim
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bags

[Bill Lindsay]

It is reckless to go rackless in some situations...

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[RBW] WTB/WTT/FS: Albatross HT Alu for Bullmoose Fillet Brazed Bars

[Timothy Orr]

I got a pair of Nitto Fillet Brazed bullmoose bars that I'm hoping to trade for 
a set of heat-treated aluminum Albatross bars. I love the look and feel of the 
bullmoose, but I'd like to be a bit more upright. My bars have some light signs 
of wear on the quill. See pictures below.

Trade: I'm asking that you cover shipping costs for both bars. Given that the 
bullmoose bars retail price is $90 more than the Albatross, I think it's a fair 
deal. 

Buy: Let me know if you have some aluminum Albatross bars for sale!

For Sale: If you'd rather buy the bullmoose bars, I'll sell them for $100+ 
shipping.

See the Riv site for specs: 
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/handlebars-stems/products/nitto-bullmoose-bar-dull-bright-fillet-brazed-150mm-16194

Here are some photos of mine: https://goo.gl/photos/AS8FeAud6D5n9Auk9

Let me know if you have any questions!

Thanks!

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[RBW] MUSA shorts question

[Erik Wright]

I just did the same thing. Same waist, bought the same size. They're a little 
tighter than I anticipated but I feel like I can get used to them. If I can't, 
there are two options: wear them without the buckle clipped so they're just 
elastic waisted (works great), or alter the elastic stops for the buckle to 
give it some more room to flex. The second one probably doesn't make much sense 
without looking at the shorts.

I'd say with a 30-31" waist you should be okay if you can tolerate a slightly 
snug waistband.

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[RBW] MUSA shorts question

[nathaniel nichols]

I have a pair of small and im a 30 as well. Mine are from the riv garage sale 
so I'm really not sure if they're the same generation, but, I'd have to say the 
waist on the small is kinda tight, I usually don't clasp the buckle and it 
hurts my tummy if it rides up too high because the elastic is pretty tight. 
Also depending on what you use for underwear, how tall you are(I'm between 
5'9-10, with 86pbh and long neck), or how short you like your shorts might be 
an issue, I feel like my balls are going to be visible sometimes haha, they're 
short And wide! But the air feels nice so it's a trade-off and it's possible 
they will fit you differently than on me.

It's worth mentioning this was my second pair. I had my first pair altered to 
be tighter around the thigh which then happened to rip the gussetted crotch 
part , so be careful with that.

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[RBW] Re: Photos of new silver Joe Appaloosa color

[Stuart Lovinggood]

For those keeping score, some more pictures on Grant's 
feed: https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/le-sliver-carnk

Really liking this silver color. Was thinking about tracking down a blue in 
my size but, now that I see it, something about this silver speaks to me. 

On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 8:14:44 PM UTC-6, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>
> Saw these on Instagram from Blue Lug in Japan. Looks sharp! 
>
> Source: http://instagram.com/bluelug_kamiuma

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT/FS: Albatross HT Alu for Bullmoose Fillet Brazed Bars

[Bob Lovejoy]

PM sent...  

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 9:22:18 AM UTC-5, Timothy Orr wrote:
>
> I got a pair of Nitto Fillet Brazed bullmoose bars that I'm hoping to 
> trade for a set of heat-treated aluminum Albatross bars. I love the look 
> and feel of the bullmoose, but I'd like to be a bit more upright. My bars 
> have some light signs of wear on the quill. See pictures below. 
>
> Trade: I'm asking that you cover shipping costs for both bars. Given that 
> the bullmoose bars retail price is $90 more than the Albatross, I think 
> it's a fair deal. 
>
> Buy: Let me know if you have some aluminum Albatross bars for sale! 
>
> For Sale: If you'd rather buy the bullmoose bars, I'll sell them for $100+ 
> shipping. 
>
> See the Riv site for specs: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/handlebars-stems/products/nitto-bullmoose-bar-dull-bright-fillet-brazed-150mm-16194
>  
>
> Here are some photos of mine: https://goo.gl/photos/AS8FeAud6D5n9Auk9 
>
> Let me know if you have any questions! 
>
> Thanks! 
>

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[RBW] Rivendell Rebate Program - Promote your Referral Link here - ONLY!

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Link to RBW Rewards Program page - 
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/reward-program

Over the weekend, I had a couple of people submit links to their personal 
referral page for the updated Rivendell Reward Program.  It took me a 
minute or two to recognize that this wasn't a spam attempt.  

The core issue is that people can "Invite" other non-enrolled people to 
join, which both assists them (the Inviter) by adding points to their total 
and increases the amount of "Onboarding" points which the Non-Enrollee 
receives. 

It does seem - as they say - very "win-win"... 

However, I'm already of the opinion that the the FS/FT/WTB/etc. posts are 
expanding to the detriment of general list content (and, yeah, I know, if 
you want to change that, look first at your own contributions...) and I 
don't want to now see countless threads of "HEY HEY CLICK HERE!" added to 
that.  

By the same token, I want everyone in this group to take part in the 
Rivendell Rebate/Rewards Program, which gives points for social posts (i.e. 
getting the word out) as well as writing reviews and doing other exemplary 
RBW Citizenship tasks.  

https://www.rivbike.com/pages/reward-program

The challenge becomes how to balance these two seemingly opposing desires.  

Here's my solution:  ONE thread (this one) in which you are welcome to 
comment with your specific URL for the RBW Rebate Program.  Share your link 
and any comment you wish to add.  That lets non-enrollees enter with the 
maximum amount of Rivendollars, with the specific benefit to whomever gets 
selected as the "Point of Entry" into the program.  

Those of you who are not enrolled are welcome to choose whomever you wish 
(or no one) according to whatever guidelines you want (consistently great 
posts here, thanks for technical help, etc.).  BUT - please keep your 
"thank you's" on private channels (i.e. email the person directly or thank 
them in person) rather than adding to the traffic here.

I will remove separate posts with RBW Reward Program urls.

Questions - please contact me directly!  Thanks & may the Rivendollars 
always be in your favor!

https://www.rivbike.com/pages/reward-program

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Rebate Program - Promote your Referral Link here - ONLY!

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Jim Edgar / Cyclofiend / List Admin - 

My RBW Rebate Link - http://rivbike.trybeans.com/r/cyclofiend

Please use the above to join the RBW Rebate program with a few additional 
credits - thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Ryan Fleming]

Which, if the stem can't be removed could impact the price and/or be a 
deal-breaker for some. Awfully nice bike  but too bad about the stuck stem. 
I guess there are drastic ways to remove it...penetrating oil? What do you 
do for a stuck stem?

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 2:42:51 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Hi Eric
>
> What's your saddle height in the photos?  
>
> Regarding the stuck stem, you indicated that it will take 'some 
> persuasion' and that you've taken it to the shop.  What exactly does that 
> mean?  Does that mean a shop worked on it for a long time and gave up?  
> Does that mean that the shop inspected it and said "yeah it's stuck" but 
> you decided not to bother for now?  
>
> Bill
>
> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:45:30 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of selling bikes … reminder that I’m trying to find a new home 
>> for this very pretty Rivendell:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/albums/72157681347310655 
>>
>> Asking $1,450 shipped, but what the heck … make me a reasonable offer and 
>> I’ll probably take it.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Eric Norris]

Any good bike shop can remove a stem—the last time I paid for such a procedure, 
it cost me about $60.

I simply don’t have the time to get it to a shop to have this done. 

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Ryan Fleming  
> wrote:
> 
> Which, if the stem can't be removed could impact the price and/or be a 
> deal-breaker for some. Awfully nice bike  but too bad about the stuck stem. I 
> guess there are drastic ways to remove it...penetrating oil? What do you do 
> for a stuck stem?
> 
> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 2:42:51 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Hi Eric
> 
> What's your saddle height in the photos?  
> 
> Regarding the stuck stem, you indicated that it will take 'some persuasion' 
> and that you've taken it to the shop.  What exactly does that mean?  Does 
> that mean a shop worked on it for a long time and gave up?  Does that mean 
> that the shop inspected it and said "yeah it's stuck" but you decided not to 
> bother for now?  
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:45:30 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
> Speaking of selling bikes … reminder that I’m trying to find a new home for 
> this very pretty Rivendell:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/albums/72157681347310655 
>  
> 
> Asking $1,450 shipped, but what the heck … make me a reasonable offer and 
> I’ll probably take it.
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com <>
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Ryan Fleming]

Addison...I THINK I recall that Legolas (Legoli) might be like the "custom" 
Glorius or Bomba in that Mark Nobilette will build for 3K but bike will not 
be painted by Joe Bell. I feel like I read this in Jan 2016 if I recall 
correctly. An email or phonecall could confirm this of course. BTW, Mark 
Nobilette does exquisite work. Just sayin'

On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 1:17:59 PM UTC-6, Addison wrote:
>
> I love my 1989 RB-2 but it also is rebuilt with newish parts.  Rides like 
> a dream or phone call to Rivendell 
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2016/10/bridgestone-bike-project-part-3finished.html
>
> I too lust after a Legolas...anybody have the old geometry chart for 
> those?  And how much are they running now?  Comparable to the Roadeo price?
>
>
>
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>  
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler  
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 11:04 AM, bo richardson  > wrote:
>
>> i never liked the RB2 I had
>> i didnt much like the legolas i rode but i think it was the 650b wheels.
>> shore was pretty
>> i love my rambouillet
>> and with the new chain and tuned brakes
>> i am astounded at how well i like my atlantis wven unloaded
>>
>> bo
>> bellingham
>> cold wet snow coming down outside
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[RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[George Schick]

I've had this happen before.  I removed the front wheel and brake and bars. 
 Turned it upside down and shot some PB Blaster into the steering tube and 
let it sit for quite a while.  Turned it back over and loosened the headset 
lock nut and shot some more around the area where the adjustable nut meets 
the stem and let it sit.  Loosened the stem bolt and removed it and shot 
some more into the hole.  Replaced the stem bolt with about 1/4" still 
showing above the top of the stem and let it sit.  Then, supporting the 
frame, begin to tap on the stem bolt.  If no success after 5-10 minutes, 
repeat the entire process and eventually the penetrating oil will work it's 
way in between the steering tube and the stem and between the wedge at the 
bottom.

If the stem has been inserted into the steering tube so far that the wedge 
is jammed into the tapered part (the butted section) this may be more 
difficult.  The frame may have to be turned upside down and a drift punch 
or piece of rebar inserted into the steering tube hole at the fork crown 
and tapped with a hammer to loosen.  If all else fails I expect that 
mechanical methods would be required to get it out of there with variable 
results and risk of damaging something.

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 10:15:00 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Which, if the stem can't be removed could impact the price and/or be a 
> deal-breaker for some. Awfully nice bike  but too bad about the stuck stem. 
> I guess there are drastic ways to remove it...penetrating oil? What do you 
> do for a stuck stem?
>
> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 2:42:51 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eric
>>
>> What's your saddle height in the photos?  
>>
>> Regarding the stuck stem, you indicated that it will take 'some 
>> persuasion' and that you've taken it to the shop.  What exactly does that 
>> mean?  Does that mean a shop worked on it for a long time and gave up?  
>> Does that mean that the shop inspected it and said "yeah it's stuck" but 
>> you decided not to bother for now?  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:45:30 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>>>
>>> Speaking of selling bikes … reminder that I’m trying to find a new home 
>>> for this very pretty Rivendell:
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/albums/72157681347310655 
>>>
>>> Asking $1,450 shipped, but what the heck … make me a reasonable offer 
>>> and I’ll probably take it.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Ryan Fleming]

That's good to know and  no offense meant

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 10:32:04 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Any good bike shop can remove a stem—the last time I paid for such a 
> procedure, it cost me about $60.
>
> I simply don’t have the time to get it to a shop to have this done. 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
> On Mar 20, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
> Which, if the stem can't be removed could impact the price and/or be a 
> deal-breaker for some. Awfully nice bike  but too bad about the stuck stem. 
> I guess there are drastic ways to remove it...penetrating oil? What do you 
> do for a stuck stem?
>
> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 2:42:51 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eric
>>
>> What's your saddle height in the photos?  
>>
>> Regarding the stuck stem, you indicated that it will take 'some 
>> persuasion' and that you've taken it to the shop.  What exactly does that 
>> mean?  Does that mean a shop worked on it for a long time and gave up?  
>> Does that mean that the shop inspected it and said "yeah it's stuck" but 
>> you decided not to bother for now?  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:45:30 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>>>
>>> Speaking of selling bikes … reminder that I’m trying to find a new home 
>>> for this very pretty Rivendell:
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/albums/72157681347310655 
>>>
>>> Asking $1,450 shipped, but what the heck … make me a reasonable offer 
>>> and I’ll probably take it.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] FS: Brooks, Nitto, Sackville

[Max Bergen]

Approximately how many miles have you ridden on the b17? Also, would youbols 
share pics of the saddle? 

Cheers,
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[RBW] Re: Photos of new silver Joe Appaloosa color

[Ryan Fleming]

That silver is quite nice. I really like the green too...plus, digging 
 that Silver crank  .maybe I should have pushed for that over the Sugino

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 9:27:46 AM UTC-5, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>
> For those keeping score, some more pictures on Grant's feed: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/le-sliver-carnk
>
> Really liking this silver color. Was thinking about tracking down a blue 
> in my size but, now that I see it, something about this silver speaks to 
> me. 
>
> On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 8:14:44 PM UTC-6, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>>
>> Saw these on Instagram from Blue Lug in Japan. Looks sharp! 
>>
>> Source: http://instagram.com/bluelug_kamiuma
>
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[RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[BenG]

Beautiful, thanks. I want to be there.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Rebate Program - Promote your Referral Link here - ONLY!

[Timothy Orr]

Not sure why anyone would use my referral link now that Jim's is posted, but if 
you feel like spreading the love around, here it is: 
http://rivbike.trybeans.com/r/tim.orr/

Cheers,
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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT/FS: Albatross HT Alu for Bullmoose Fillet Brazed Bars

[Timothy Orr]

I have a few folks interested. Stay tuned.

Ps. I'm in Portland, OR.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Jim Bronson]

I have a 68cm which I think is either a Road Standard or a Custom, either
way, it conforms to Bruce's description...does downhill corners like it's
on rails.  It's a joy to ride, and especially to bomb downhills with,
practically begs to go faster. (disclaimer:  do so at your own risk)  Takes
a load but isn't ideal for it.

I have ridden it somewhere north of 20,000 miles (14,610 in completed,
documented RUSA rides alone), still my favorite in the stable and the one
that gets 95% of all usage.  Maybe 30,000 or 40,000, who knows, I am not
that religious about documenting mileage.

The only thing that would get it less mileage would be if I got a purpose
built 650B frame, which I have considered from time to time.  I have also
thought though of just dimpling the chainstays for 42mm tires (since it
needs a respray anyway), getting a custom low to mid trail fork and rolling
on with it.

Decisions, decisions :)
I worry about ruining the essence of the bike by modifying it, which is why
I've left it alone so far.

-Jim

On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Bruce  wrote:

> The road is a livelier frame (reynolds 753 w/531 forks)  with quicker
> steering than the Ram (Mix of Japanese HT and non HT tubes)  that rides
> like it's on rails around downhill curves. Both will carry a rear rack, but
> the road is not intended for weight and the Ram is. I use it when I need a
> rack and cargo space. If I could only keep one, it would be the Road, which
> is an absolute joy to ride. I did decide between the Ram and the Saluki,
> which I sold. Not enough difference, and Ram rides better, even though it
> can't go as fat on the tires.
> Was this any help?
>
>
> --
> *From:* RichS 
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 19, 2017 1:54 PM
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS
>
> Hi Bruce. Overlap among Riv models has been discussed lately so I'm
> curious how much overlap there is between your Ram and the Road Std.? If I
> had to guess I would say the Ram might have a little more carrying
> capacity. Many thanks for the feedback.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 7:27:26 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> The Road is an excellent long distance ride. I rode mine on yesterday's
> local RUSA event and it was great all day. Smooth on the rough stuff,
> climbs well, handles great. If you think about what a new frame only with
> nice lugs and paint will cost, Eric's bike is a steal.
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[RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Kellie]

Hope to see you this Sat. Ben.

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[RBW] FS: Brooks, Nitto, Sackville

[Max Bergen]

Approximately how many miles have you ridden on the b17? Also, would youbols 
share pics of the saddle? 

Cheers,
Max
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Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Jim Bronson]

Ok, I just remembered the one thing I don't like about the Road Standard:
 the horizontal-ish dropouts.  Minor quibble though.

-Jim

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I have a 68cm which I think is either a Road Standard or a Custom, either
> way, it conforms to Bruce's description...does downhill corners like it's
> on rails.  It's a joy to ride, and especially to bomb downhills with,
> practically begs to go faster. (disclaimer:  do so at your own risk)  Takes
> a load but isn't ideal for it.
>
> I have ridden it somewhere north of 20,000 miles (14,610 in completed,
> documented RUSA rides alone), still my favorite in the stable and the one
> that gets 95% of all usage.  Maybe 30,000 or 40,000, who knows, I am not
> that religious about documenting mileage.
>
> The only thing that would get it less mileage would be if I got a purpose
> built 650B frame, which I have considered from time to time.  I have also
> thought though of just dimpling the chainstays for 42mm tires (since it
> needs a respray anyway), getting a custom low to mid trail fork and rolling
> on with it.
>
> Decisions, decisions :)
> I worry about ruining the essence of the bike by modifying it, which is
> why I've left it alone so far.
>
> -Jim
>
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Bruce  wrote:
>
>> The road is a livelier frame (reynolds 753 w/531 forks)  with quicker
>> steering than the Ram (Mix of Japanese HT and non HT tubes)  that rides
>> like it's on rails around downhill curves. Both will carry a rear rack, but
>> the road is not intended for weight and the Ram is. I use it when I need a
>> rack and cargo space. If I could only keep one, it would be the Road, which
>> is an absolute joy to ride. I did decide between the Ram and the Saluki,
>> which I sold. Not enough difference, and Ram rides better, even though it
>> can't go as fat on the tires.
>> Was this any help?
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* RichS 
>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 19, 2017 1:54 PM
>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS
>>
>> Hi Bruce. Overlap among Riv models has been discussed lately so I'm
>> curious how much overlap there is between your Ram and the Road Std.? If I
>> had to guess I would say the Ram might have a little more carrying
>> capacity. Many thanks for the feedback.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 7:27:26 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>> The Road is an excellent long distance ride. I rode mine on yesterday's
>> local RUSA event and it was great all day. Smooth on the rough stuff,
>> climbs well, handles great. If you think about what a new frame only with
>> nice lugs and paint will cost, Eric's bike is a steal.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day: unpacking

[Jim Bronson]

omg I am chomping at the bit!  COME ON FEDEX!

I haven't been this geeky about a new to me bike or bike bit in a long time!

One thing I promise to myself I will do before unboxing:  get the SomaGR in
the garage out for pictures, that I am selling, rather slowly it seems.

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 9:18 AM, blakcloud  wrote:

> Wally, that was very funny! I had a good chuckle.
>
> Jim, congrats on the new bike in your stable.
>
> Thomas
>
> On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 3:24:07 PM UTC-4, Wally Estrella wrote:
>>
>> You are most welcome!
>>
>> NICE! Congrats!  I can relish that new bike.  Now can you ketchup? ;)
>>
>> I like big bikes! I push a 64 Atlantis and 64 Quickbeam.
>>
>>
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[RBW] How to clean Ortliebs?

[Michael Morrissey]

My Ortliebs are really filthy.  The insides are clean, but the outsides are 
stained and scratched from many years of city commuting.  Does anyone know 
a good way to polish them up?  I've tried a few different things, but other 
than retiring them, what should I do?  

Thanks in advance.

- Michael

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day: unpacking

[Ryan Fleming]

I hear your pain. We're waiting to see the unveiling.  If you get artwork 
on your riv box, I will be s jealous . Exciting! Have fun unpacking 
(don't be in a hurry :)) and building the new bike

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 12:02:23 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> omg I am chomping at the bit!  COME ON FEDEX!
>
> I haven't been this geeky about a new to me bike or bike bit in a long 
> time!
>
> One thing I promise to myself I will do before unboxing:  get the SomaGR 
> in the garage out for pictures, that I am selling, rather slowly it seems.
>
> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 9:18 AM, blakcloud  > wrote:
>
>> Wally, that was very funny! I had a good chuckle. 
>>
>> Jim, congrats on the new bike in your stable. 
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 3:24:07 PM UTC-4, Wally Estrella wrote:
>>>
>>> You are most welcome!
>>>
>>> NICE! Congrats!  I can relish that new bike.  Now can you ketchup? ;)
>>>
>>> I like big bikes! I push a 64 Atlantis and 64 Quickbeam.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: How to clean Ortliebs?

[Deacon Patrick]

Keekp riding with um. Beausage. You and they earned it!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 11:24:04 AM UTC-6, Michael Morrissey wrote:
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> My Ortliebs ... the outsides are stained and scratched from many years of 
> city commuting.  what should I do?  
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[RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Ryan Fleming]

Nice...Kellie, are you the lady with the snazzy Atlantis? Think you 
mentioned you bought it recently? Roger , great pictures

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 3:09:38 PM UTC-5, Roger wrote:
>
> I really enjoyed myself, meeting the 3 of you.
> Here are some pics I took. Sorry Kellie, I have never used Instagram, but 
> you're welcome to paste the photos from this Flickr album:
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskWoWwXP
>
> Roger
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day: unpacking

[Wally Estrella]

HA HA! YES!  From the Riv Gallery.  I had the Catlantis on my Atlantis box. 
 I guess this one will be the Clem Cat or something else as a surprise. 


On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 2:00:44 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> I hear your pain. We're waiting to see the unveiling.  If you get artwork 
> on your riv box, I will be s jealous . Exciting! Have fun unpacking 
> (don't be in a hurry :)) and building the new bike
>
> On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 12:02:23 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> omg I am chomping at the bit!  COME ON FEDEX!
>>
>> I haven't been this geeky about a new to me bike or bike bit in a long 
>> time!
>>
>> One thing I promise to myself I will do before unboxing:  get the SomaGR 
>> in the garage out for pictures, that I am selling, rather slowly it seems.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 9:18 AM, blakcloud  wrote:
>>
>>> Wally, that was very funny! I had a good chuckle. 
>>>
>>> Jim, congrats on the new bike in your stable. 
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 3:24:07 PM UTC-4, Wally Estrella wrote:

 You are most welcome!

 NICE! Congrats!  I can relish that new bike.  Now can you ketchup? ;)

 I like big bikes! I push a 64 Atlantis and 64 Quickbeam.





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[RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Kellie]

Yes received my Atlantis last Nov. Will we be seeing you this Sat? Hope you 
roll on over. Even if there's rain, we have cover.

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[RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Ryan Fleming]

Sounds great but I'm a winnipeggermaybe I'll go to the USone of 
these days. Looks like a nice outing though

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> Yes received my Atlantis last Nov. Will we be seeing you this Sat? Hope 
> you roll on over. Even if there's rain, we have cover.

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[RBW] Re: How to clean Ortliebs?

[dougP]

The shiny ones are a coated fabric so I wouldn't get too aggressive with 
the cleaning.  The worst ones I ever saw were with a guy who'd been on the 
road 2 or 3 years continuously.  They were originally black but looked like 
faded charcoal canvas, with little coating left.  The only giveaway was the 
little reflective triangle.  He was planning to replace them shortly.  

dougP

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 10:24:04 AM UTC-7, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> My Ortliebs are really filthy.  The insides are clean, but the outsides 
> are stained and scratched from many years of city commuting.  Does anyone 
> know a good way to polish them up?  I've tried a few different things, but 
> other than retiring them, what should I do?  
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> - Michael
>
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Fatty Road

[Davey Two Shoes]

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 3:57:37 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>
> I got the 53cm, it's awesome. It's replaced my go fast road bike for the 
> time being, still looking forward to how it does on trails (been super 
> rainy on the west coast lately). I love it.
>
> On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 12:03:41 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>>
>> Gabriel thanks for the info. Your post is what brought the Rosco to my 
>> attention!
>
>
how much does your bike weigh? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day: unpacking

[Jim Bronson]

It has arrived!
Unfortunately, I am not at home yet, but Grandma is watching my daughter
and brought it in the house.

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Wally Estrella 
wrote:

> HA HA! YES!  From the Riv Gallery.  I had the Catlantis on my Atlantis
> box.  I guess this one will be the Clem Cat or something else as a
> surprise.
>
>
> On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 2:00:44 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> I hear your pain. We're waiting to see the unveiling.  If you get artwork
>> on your riv box, I will be s jealous . Exciting! Have fun unpacking
>> (don't be in a hurry :)) and building the new bike
>>
>> On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 12:02:23 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> omg I am chomping at the bit!  COME ON FEDEX!
>>>
>>> I haven't been this geeky about a new to me bike or bike bit in a long
>>> time!
>>>
>>> One thing I promise to myself I will do before unboxing:  get the SomaGR
>>> in the garage out for pictures, that I am selling, rather slowly it seems.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 9:18 AM, blakcloud  wrote:
>>>
 Wally, that was very funny! I had a good chuckle.

 Jim, congrats on the new bike in your stable.

 Thomas

 On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 3:24:07 PM UTC-4, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> You are most welcome!
>
> NICE! Congrats!  I can relish that new bike.  Now can you ketchup? ;)
>
> I like big bikes! I push a 64 Atlantis and 64 Quickbeam.
>
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Fatty Road

[Jim Bronson]

Grant said,
"what it needs to"

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Davey Two Shoes 
wrote:

>
>
> On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 3:57:37 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>>
>> I got the 53cm, it's awesome. It's replaced my go fast road bike for the
>> time being, still looking forward to how it does on trails (been super
>> rainy on the west coast lately). I love it.
>>
>> On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 12:03:41 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>>>
>>> Gabriel thanks for the info. Your post is what brought the Rosco to my
>>> attention!
>>
>>
> how much does your bike weigh?
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RE: [RBW] Re: PSA: 56cm Quickbeam on eBay

[Joe Bernard]

The name disappeared because of some legal bother with Tolkein folks. This is 
also why RBW will build you a Leh Go Less, but doesn't use (name redacted) on 
the website. 

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[RBW] FS: 50cm New Waterford-built Rosco Bubbe Frame

[John A. Bennett]

One of our customers is unable to keep the *Rosco* frame-set he purchased 
from Rivelo.

No. 7 of the first batch. The 50cm size. The matte green. 

It is* new-in-the-box. H*e will sell it for $850 and ship it for another 
$50. Includes headset & bottom bracket. 

He's a super nice guy. His name is *Alberto Robador*, and his email is 
araeu...@googlemail.com

He lives in Southern California. Contact him for more details. 

Thanks!

John in Portland

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[RBW] FS: 50cm New Waterford-built Rosco Bubbe Frame

[Joe Bernard]

Hi John,

The complete email address didn't print on Google Groups. Can you ask Alberto 
to contact me at joeremi62 at Gmail dot com, please?

Thanks,
Joe Bernard

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks, Nitto, Sackville

[Will Ashe]

I would say maybe 800-1000 miles. I'll be happy to share photos via a DM or 
text message.

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 9:02:00 AM UTC-7, Max Bergen wrote:
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> Approximately how many miles have you ridden on the b17? Also, would 
> youbols share pics of the saddle? 
>
> Cheers,
> Max
> San Diego
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[RBW] Re: First Impressions of Nitto Albatross Bars on my 1985 Trek 620

[Frank Brose]

I have an 84 I did pretty much the same thing to. I felt guilty doing it 
given the pedigree of the bike but it's a blast to ride. I feel guilty no 
more. 700c fat tires, Albatross bars, Nitto stem with IRC stem shifter and 
a few other bells and buzzers and it's alot of fun bicycle.
Frank

On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 9:37:31 PM UTC-5, Joe Gates wrote:
>
> I thought i would share a photo of my 1985 Trek 620 along with my first 
> impressions of my new to me Albatross cockpit build.  While not a 
> Rivendell, the Trek 620 is certainly Riv-ish with its smooth riding 
> Reynolds 531C frame, decent tire clearance and extra long 47cm chainstays. 
>  Plus, many of the parts in the current build were sourced from this list. 
>  Saddle and Crankset from Pondero, Saddle Bag from Alex Moll, and the most 
> recent addition to the build is the cockpit acquired from Richard Rios.  
>
> I have been wanting to give the Albatross bars a try and today I had a 
> chance to test them out.  My 6 year old learned to ride her bike without 
> training wheels this week (proud parent moment!) so we went to the park 
> along with big sister to get some practice outside of our cul de sac.  We 
> rode about 5 miles around the park at relatively slow speeds and the bars 
> worked well.  Every other bike i own (other than the mountain bike) has 
> drop bars of some variety and i love the options for hand placement.  I 
> found the more upright riding position of the Albatross bars to be perfect 
> for the slow riding and frequent stopping that comes along with riding with 
> a young, inexperienced cyclist along a relatively crowded park path.  I did 
> feel the bars had some give to them if i pulled on them when riding at a 
> faster pace.  I hope to get out and test them out on open roads tomorrow to 
> see how I like them over a longer distance and when the riding involves a 
> little more climbing.  
>
> Joe
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[RBW] Re: FS: 50cm New Waterford-built Rosco Bubbe Frame

[Johnny Alien]

Click the email link in the post and check the box to show you are not a 
robot and the whole email address will be displayed.

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> Hi John,
>
> The complete email address didn't print on Google Groups. Can you ask 
> Alberto to contact me at joeremi62 at Gmail dot com, please?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Bernard
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[RBW] Re: Photos of new silver Joe Appaloosa color

[Philip Kim]

Yes the silver cranks are nice, well worth the price ino

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[RBW] Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?

[Roberta]

For those of you who own this, how do you feel about Clem for longer 
"exercise" rides--40-50 miles-- that is NOT touring.That is, I won't 
load the bike with anything other than what I need on a one day 
jaunt--lunch, flat kit, water, windbreaker, etc.  I don't want a slog of a 
bike. (yes, I do realize that the "engine" is most important, but this 
engine has two bikes and I go faster on one vs. the other.)  Most of the 
area is flat, but in the city park and in some of the suburbs, it is hilly.

I did consider a used Cheviot, but didn't get the sense that it was a "long 
ride" bike-- a bit too upright.  I could be wrong.

I'm considering a Clem L so I can do (and want to do more often) longer 
exercise rides.   My minimum ride is 12.5 miles (1 hour) , but I like to go 
25 miles (2 hours) each weekend day.  Once or twice a month I'd like to do 
a longer ride. 

Thanks,
Roberta, PBH 82.5, 57 YO, trying to get into better health

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RE: [RBW] Re: PSA: 56cm Quickbeam on eBay

[Ian A]

Ive always thought the next iteration should be "The QuickOne". Maybe the 
"SingleBeam". I recall the SimpleOne was cleared out toward the end and it was 
modestly priced then. A fellow had one in town here and it was a great deep 
green colour. He said it was a great bike.

Ian A/Canada. 

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[RBW] Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?

[scott]

One limitation for me on my Clem is the saddle. I like the stock saddle a lot, 
but it bugs me after 15 miles. If I change it it will help, but I have other 
bikes. Also, on longer rides, I ride the bosco bars differently. I will grab 
beyond the grips to be a little more forward. My back bugs me when I'm too 
upright for too long...but it is all personal. Others surely have done long 
rides no problem. It is the bike I ride the most and love the ride. 

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[RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?

[Michael Hechmer]

Roberta, I don't own a Clem, or for that matter any bike with upright bars. 
  My wife rides a Betty Foy,  with albatross bars and she uses albas on our 
tandem, which we regularly ride 40 - 50 miles a day, including on tour.  I 
can't think of any reason not to, unless your in a hurry.  A 40 - 50 mile 
ride suggest about 3 hours of pedaling, hopefully with at least a couple of 
breaks.  Give it a go; I'll bet you like it.  It's more about personal 
preference than right or wrong.

Michael

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 8:09:19 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>
> For those of you who own this, how do you feel about Clem for longer 
> "exercise" rides--40-50 miles-- that is NOT touring.That is, I won't 
> load the bike with anything other than what I need on a one day 
> jaunt--lunch, flat kit, water, windbreaker, etc.  I don't want a slog of a 
> bike. (yes, I do realize that the "engine" is most important, but this 
> engine has two bikes and I go faster on one vs. the other.)  Most of the 
> area is flat, but in the city park and in some of the suburbs, it is hilly.
>
> I did consider a used Cheviot, but didn't get the sense that it was a 
> "long ride" bike-- a bit too upright.  I could be wrong.
>
> I'm considering a Clem L so I can do (and want to do more often) longer 
> exercise rides.   My minimum ride is 12.5 miles (1 hour) , but I like to go 
> 25 miles (2 hours) each weekend day.  Once or twice a month I'd like to do 
> a longer ride. 
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta, PBH 82.5, 57 YO, trying to get into better health
>

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[RBW] Re: Bags

[Broccoli Cog]

Great advice as always. Thank you all. After giving this some more thought 
today I asked myself "why not install a rear rack?" I came to the 
conclusion that a Mark's rack installed on the rear would be perfect in 
conjunction with the medium Sackville. Now I just need to wait for RIv to 
have them back in stock. 

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I was wondering if I could get some thoughts on a new saddle 
> bag for my Sam. My current setup is I have a Mark's rack on the front 
> combined with a Wald 137 Basket and a Swift Industries Sugar Loaf bag. My 
> saddlebag is a Sackville X-small. This is a great set up for all around 
> riding. I am considering adding a saddle bag that will allow me to carry 
> some extra cargo. I don't have a rear rack and don't have any intention of 
> adding one. That limits me to the Small or the Medium Sackville. I am 
> trying to decide between these two sizes and I am not sure what to do. My 
> goal is to have a bag big enough for commuting and possibly some S24O 
> trips. I don't currently have the gear for the overnight camping and wonder 
> really how much I'll get to do that. I was initially leaning towards the 
> small but thought why not get the medium. I might be happy to have the 
> extra space when I need it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! 
>
> Tim
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?

[Sky Coulter]

I've got a clementine, i like it a lot and look forward to many years using it 
on family rides. But i wouldn't pick it if i was looking for an excercise bike. 
 If i'm looking to workout on a bike, i want to be able to climb small hills 
quickly, to travel fast and impress myself w my capacity for speed.

With the clementine, i want to look around, aim for potholes and enjoy riding 
over them while marvelling at how smooth the ride is.

I tried working out to jack johnson once. I really like his music, but it was a 
horrible mismatch; the music was sending me chill signals while i was trying to 
ramp up to push heavy weights away from myself.  I think i'd experience a 
similar disconnect if i were to use the clementine for excercise rides.

The roadini however

Sky in new west

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 5:30 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> 
> Roberta, I don't own a Clem, or for that matter any bike with upright bars.   
> My wife rides a Betty Foy,  with albatross bars and she uses albas on our 
> tandem, which we regularly ride 40 - 50 miles a day, including on tour.  I 
> can't think of any reason not to, unless your in a hurry.  A 40 - 50 mile 
> ride suggest about 3 hours of pedaling, hopefully with at least a couple of 
> breaks.  Give it a go; I'll bet you like it.  It's more about personal 
> preference than right or wrong.
> 
> Michael
> 
>> On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 8:09:19 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>> For those of you who own this, how do you feel about Clem for longer 
>> "exercise" rides--40-50 miles-- that is NOT touring.That is, I won't 
>> load the bike with anything other than what I need on a one day 
>> jaunt--lunch, flat kit, water, windbreaker, etc.  I don't want a slog of a 
>> bike. (yes, I do realize that the "engine" is most important, but this 
>> engine has two bikes and I go faster on one vs. the other.)  Most of the 
>> area is flat, but in the city park and in some of the suburbs, it is hilly.
>> 
>> I did consider a used Cheviot, but didn't get the sense that it was a "long 
>> ride" bike-- a bit too upright.  I could be wrong.
>> 
>> I'm considering a Clem L so I can do (and want to do more often) longer 
>> exercise rides.   My minimum ride is 12.5 miles (1 hour) , but I like to go 
>> 25 miles (2 hours) each weekend day.  Once or twice a month I'd like to do a 
>> longer ride. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta, PBH 82.5, 57 YO, trying to get into better health
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RE: [RBW] Re: PSA: 56cm Quickbeam on eBay

[ted]

I like mine a lot, but I doubt RBW will do another edition. The way I remember 
it they were discounted out les than a year after starting to accept pre 
orders. I can only presume that after a brief flurry of immediate sales they 
just didn't sell. Great bikes but apparently a small niche market within a 
small niche market making it too hard to break even selling them. If you want 
one I'd recommend grabbing the next used one your size that you see, don't be 
holding your breath waiting for RBW to reintroduce.

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[RBW] WTB: Sugino XD2 or XD600 triple 170mm

[Kieran J]

Hi All,

Looking for a good example of this crankset in 170mm length. New or close 
to it. 
Should have 46/36/26t rings or thereabouts.

Anyone have a spare one? Let me know.

Kieran
Toronto, Canada

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[RBW] WTB: dirt drop stem, bar end shifters

[drew]

Looking for a nitto dirt drop stem and some bar end shifters (need not be 
indexed)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[iamkeith]

Yes, but Eric's appears to have vertical dropouts!  (Unlike the one currently 
on ebay, that's closer to my size but $1,000 more and not built as nicely.)  If 
this one was my size, nothing in the world could keep me from un-stucking that 
stem, at this price.  I can't believe nobody's bought yet, and can't help but 
think that it doesn't bode well for the Roadini project.  I hope I'm wrong and 
do understand that "new" has its appeal, but this is a pretty special bike for 
someone who wants a go-fast.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bags

[David Johnston]

The marks rack is kinda heavy, expensive and not that sturdy for the
4lb weight limit it has. Why not just put a Tubus Vega or a cheap
aluminum rack on for max carrying versatility and 40 lb capacity. I
would recommend a rear rack without a "tombstone" for compatibility
with a Sackville. Two that come to my are the Vega and the Planet bike
koko.

-Dave

On 3/20/17, Broccoli Cog  wrote:
> Great advice as always. Thank you all. After giving this some more thought
> today I asked myself "why not install a rear rack?" I came to the
> conclusion that a Mark's rack installed on the rear would be perfect in
> conjunction with the medium Sackville. Now I just need to wait for RIv to
> have them back in stock.
>
> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone, I was wondering if I could get some thoughts on a new saddle
>>
>> bag for my Sam. My current setup is I have a Mark's rack on the front
>> combined with a Wald 137 Basket and a Swift Industries Sugar Loaf bag. My
>>
>> saddlebag is a Sackville X-small. This is a great set up for all around
>> riding. I am considering adding a saddle bag that will allow me to carry
>> some extra cargo. I don't have a rear rack and don't have any intention of
>>
>> adding one. That limits me to the Small or the Medium Sackville. I am
>> trying to decide between these two sizes and I am not sure what to do. My
>>
>> goal is to have a bag big enough for commuting and possibly some S24O
>> trips. I don't currently have the gear for the overnight camping and
>> wonder
>> really how much I'll get to do that. I was initially leaning towards the
>> small but thought why not get the medium. I might be happy to have the
>> extra space when I need it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Kellie]

yea, I guess you are a little far away

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 11:51:42 AM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Sounds great but I'm a winnipeggermaybe I'll go to the USone of 
> these days. Looks like a nice outing though
>
> On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 1:25:27 PM UTC-5, Kellie wrote:
>>
>> Yes received my Atlantis last Nov. Will we be seeing you this Sat? Hope 
>> you roll on over. Even if there's rain, we have cover.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Eric Norris]

It does have vertical drops, and will soon have an unstuck stem. 

–Eric N


> On Mar 20, 2017, at 7:40 PM, iamkeith  wrote:
> 
> Yes, but Eric's appears to have vertical dropouts!  (Unlike the one currently 
> on ebay, that's closer to my size but $1,000 more and not built as nicely.)  
> If this one was my size, nothing in the world could keep me from un-stucking 
> that stem, at this price.  I can't believe nobody's bought yet, and can't 
> help but think that it doesn't bode well for the Roadini project.  I hope I'm 
> wrong and do understand that "new" has its appeal, but this is a pretty 
> special bike for someone who wants a go-fast.
> 
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[RBW] Re: WTB: dirt drop stem, bar end shifters

[DarinM]

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 7:32:19 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
> Looking for a nitto dirt drop stem and some bar end shifters (need not be 
> indexed)

I posted this in the iBob group:

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/internet-bob/c8j08L-eLHk

Let me know if any combo there interests you. I posted hopping to trade for 
Boscos but haven't gotten any interests so I might have to offer it up for sale.

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[RBW] How to clean Ortliebs?

[iamkeith]

Ok, disclaimer first: i have no experience with ortliebs, so test first.  If 
not mistaken, the fabric is very similar to dry bags which are similar to raft 
material, both of which i DO have a lot of experience with, as a whitewater 
boater.  The best I've found is 303 brand cleaner and,  especially, protectant. 
 It cleans, shines and adds UV protection without degrading the plastic 
coating.  Ive also heard that magic erasers are good at removing difficult 
marks like those from rubbing on aluminum, but haven't tried.  My primary need 
is more to renew and fight UV damage.

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