[RBW] Re: FS New Shimano XT CS-M8000 11 speed cassette 11-42

[Bruce Smitham]

The cassette is sold

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 3:51:18 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> New Shimano XT CS-M8000 11 speed cassette 11-42 new and never mounted. $55 
> plus shipping CONUS 
>
> Thx,
>
> Bruce in San Diego
>

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[RBW] Re: Current location(s) for visiting Rivendell?..

[Jeremy Tavan]

In the South Bay, one can visit Silva Cycles in Campbell. They're a 
Rivendell dealer and nice folks. They don't keep the same sort of stock as 
Rivendell HQ, of course, but one can certainly test ride Rivendell bikes 
along with some other interesting stuff there.

/Jeremy

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 9:31:14 PM UTC-7, Evan E. wrote:
>
> Hi Max,
>
> As far as I know, Rivendell headquarters is the only Rivendell place to 
> visit when you're in the Bay Area. They do have a showroom there, though. 
> And, as you likely already know, a bunch of friendly Riv folk.
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Current location(s) for visiting Rivendell?..

[dougP]

Max:

The original RBWHQ is it.  Great place to hang out & check out new stuff.  
Did that myself a few weeks ago & got all fizzed up over the new 650b 
Atlantis.  Lots of other goodness to check out too.  Don't miss it.

dougP

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 9:07:04 PM UTC-7, Max S wrote:
>
> So, we're in the area and looking to visit Rivendell. I recall the BBH 
> store closed – methinks we were the last customers there last year, in 
> fact. But is there anything now besides the warehouse "headquarters" 
> space?.. 
>
> TIA! 
>
> - Max  
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Used 700c and 26 fat (non-knobby) tires and long reach caliper/centerpull brakes

[Philip Williamson]

I have a pair of Schwalbe Big Apples you can have. Maybe some other 700C 
tires, but probably micro-knobbies. 
I don't understand the request for a long reach caliper, though, since the 
brake hole to rim distance is fixed by the bike. You also don't need to 
rely on theoretical measurements, since you can actually measure the 
clearances. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com 

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 11:30:43 AM UTC-7, Ash [who works to bike] 
wrote:
>
> Want to experiment with fatter tires on my friend's hybrid and mountain 
> bikes.  I want to see what's the fattest they can handle.  Figured I can 
> buy and try some tires you are about to throw away, instead of relying on 
> theoretical measurements.  
>
> The hybrid has calipers.  So we'd be interested in a long reach caliper as 
> well.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Terrific Writeup on the origins of Rivendell by Jan Heine

[Joe Bernard]

I think the transition was inevitable based on the rides Grant & Co. actually 
do, and the bikes he was specifically designing for them at Bridgestone. 

The Road, LongLow, Heron Road and Rambouillet were all extensions of the RB-1, 
which was probably considered an expected bike from Rivendell in the first 
decade. But the All Rounder and Atlantis were the XO-1 that Grant's heart was 
in (my opinion), and variations on that All Roads S240 theme spread throughout 
the production models as the years went on. 

The "cruisers" work well for commuting on rough roads and trails with a bunch 
of stuff loaded on, and are presented to the buyer as "you don't have to meet a 
mileage or speed goal, just get outside and go for a ride." It manages to 
remain a niche for RBW in the sea of utilitarian steel bikes that they created 
as the original nice. That's a neat trick!  

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[RBW] Re: Current location(s) for visiting Rivendell?..

[Evan E.]

Hi Max,

As far as I know, Rivendell headquarters is the only Rivendell place to 
visit when you're in the Bay Area. They do have a showroom there, though. 
And, as you likely already know, a bunch of friendly Riv folk.



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[RBW] Current location(s) for visiting Rivendell?..

[Max S]

So, we're in the area and looking to visit Rivendell. I recall the BBH 
store closed – methinks we were the last customers there last year, in 
fact. But is there anything now besides the warehouse "headquarters" 
space?.. 

TIA! 

- Max  

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Re: [RBW] Dog trailer for bikes - any experience or recommendations?

[Bob K.]

Not exactly on-topic, but sorta: http://www.bikepacking.com/plan/dogpacking/

Pretty cool article about "dogpacking," AKA bikepacking with one's dog.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Patrick Moore]

Tennyson! O! How richly mid-Victorian!

For no other reason than that these have stuck in my head from my boyhood:

1.
He clasps the crag with crooked hands;
Close to the sun in lonely lands,
Ring'd with the azure world, he stands.
The wrinkled sea beneath him crawls;
He watches from his mountain walls,
And like a thunderbolt he falls.

2.
Come, my friends,
T’is not too late to seek a newer world.
Push off, and sitting well in order smite
The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
Of all the western stars, until I die.
It may be that the gulfs will wash us down:
It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles,
And see the great Achilles, whom we knew.
Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

3.
He is not here; but far away
The noise of life begins again,
And ghastly thro' the drizzling rain
On the bald street breaks the blank day.

Patrick "Bugger the Light Brigade" Moore



On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 07/24/2017 09:05 PM, GAJett wrote:
>
> I have a RapidRise on my AHH, with newish (2010) Shimano indexed/friction 
> barcons. Absolutely love them. On my '73 Raleigh Competition I currently have 
> shifters on the downtube, but will shortly return to '70's vintage Shimano 
> barcons (the ones with the inner spring mechanism).
>
> While I still make mistakes with the RapidRise, they are minor and don't 
> bother me (decades riding pre-RapidRise made some habits).  But I really 
> don't expect moving back and forth to be much of a problem. (I make many more 
> mistakes with the twist-shifter on my Bike Friday.)
>
>
>
>
> Ah, but at some point you surely will, because Shimano has abandoned Rapid
> Rise and gone back to "regular" and when the one you have wears out, this
> will be you:
>
>
> *She left the web, she left the loom *
> *She made three paces thro' the room *
> *She saw the water-flower bloom, *
> *She saw the helmet and the plume, *
> *   She look'd down to Camelot. *
> *Out flew the web and floated wide; *
> *The mirror crack'd from side to side; *
> *'The curse is come upon me,' cried *
>
>
> *   The Lady of Shalott. *
>
> [Here's looking at you, Bill!]
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Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[franklyn]

And that's why you hoard (and watch eBay). The good thing about rapidrise 
is that given the same vintage, they tend to cost less than the normal rise 
counterparts. The springs don't really wear out (especially when you have 
five bikes) and pulleys are easy enough to source and replace. I also have 
several spares in my bin in case a derailleur gets destroyed on a 
trail/dirt ride.

Franklyn

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 7:13:28 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 07/24/2017 09:05 PM, GAJett wrote:
>
> I have a RapidRise on my AHH, with newish (2010) Shimano indexed/friction 
> barcons. Absolutely love them. On my '73 Raleigh Competition I currently have 
> shifters on the downtube, but will shortly return to '70's vintage Shimano 
> barcons (the ones with the inner spring mechanism).
>
> While I still make mistakes with the RapidRise, they are minor and don't 
> bother me (decades riding pre-RapidRise made some habits).  But I really 
> don't expect moving back and forth to be much of a problem. (I make many more 
> mistakes with the twist-shifter on my Bike Friday.)
>
>
>
>
> Ah, but at some point you surely will, because Shimano has abandoned Rapid 
> Rise and gone back to "regular" and when the one you have wears out, this 
> will be you:
>
>
> *She left the web, she left the loom *
> *She made three paces thro' the room *
> *She saw the water-flower bloom, *
> *She saw the helmet and the plume, *
> *   She look'd down to Camelot. *
> *Out flew the web and floated wide; *
> *The mirror crack'd from side to side; *
> *'The curse is come upon me,' cried *
>
>
> *   The Lady of Shalott. *
>
> [Here's looking at you, Bill!]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[franklyn]

I have two RapidRise and 3 normal rise rear derailleurs. The rapidrise 
bikes have the rear friction shifter mounted on the bar-end, whereas the 
normal rise bikes have friction shifters mounted on the downtube. I have 
never made a "mistake". All five of my bikes have standard-gauge tubing and 
all "plane" more or less. I found that when I am climbing with hard efforts 
the flex in the frame pulls hard enough on the shifting cables that the 
shifters get tucked a little and sometimes end up slipping a gear. I tend 
to tighten the shifters when that happens. The advantage of rapid rise in 
this scenario (which happens every ride I do), is that the derailleur will 
slip toward the lower gear, which is OK on a climb.

I would use all rapidrise except I find that it's noticeably harder (though 
not hard) to shift friction on the downtube with rapidrise. On every shift 
I tend to overshift and then trim it back.

Franklyn

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 6:05:53 PM UTC-7, GAJett wrote:
>
> I have a RapidRise on my AHH, with newish (2010) Shimano indexed/friction 
> barcons. Absolutely love them. On my '73 Raleigh Competition I currently 
> have shifters on the downtube, but will shortly return to '70's vintage 
> Shimano barcons (the ones with the inner spring mechanism).
>
> While I still make mistakes with the RapidRise, they are minor and don't 
> bother me (decades riding pre-RapidRise made some habits).  But I really 
> don't expect moving back and forth to be much of a problem. (I make many 
> more mistakes with the twist-shifter on my Bike Friday.)
> Cheers!
>

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Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/24/2017 09:05 PM, GAJett wrote:

I have a RapidRise on my AHH, with newish (2010) Shimano indexed/friction 
barcons. Absolutely love them. On my '73 Raleigh Competition I currently have 
shifters on the downtube, but will shortly return to '70's vintage Shimano 
barcons (the ones with the inner spring mechanism).

While I still make mistakes with the RapidRise, they are minor and don't bother 
me (decades riding pre-RapidRise made some habits).  But I really don't expect 
moving back and forth to be much of a problem. (I make many more mistakes with 
the twist-shifter on my Bike Friday.)




Ah, but at some point you surely will, because Shimano has abandoned 
Rapid Rise and gone back to "regular" and when the one you have wears 
out, this will be you:


   /
   /
   /She left the web, she left the loom //
   /
   /She made three paces thro' the room //
   /
   /She saw the water-flower bloom, //
   /
   /She saw the helmet and the plume, //
   /
   /   She look'd down to Camelot. //
   /
   /Out flew the web and floated wide; //
   /
   /The mirror crack'd from side to side; //
   /
   /'The curse is come upon me,' cried //
   /
   /   The Lady of Shalott.

   /

[Here's looking at you, Bill!]

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Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[GAJett]

I have a RapidRise on my AHH, with newish (2010) Shimano indexed/friction 
barcons. Absolutely love them. On my '73 Raleigh Competition I currently have 
shifters on the downtube, but will shortly return to '70's vintage Shimano 
barcons (the ones with the inner spring mechanism).

While I still make mistakes with the RapidRise, they are minor and don't bother 
me (decades riding pre-RapidRise made some habits).  But I really don't expect 
moving back and forth to be much of a problem. (I make many more mistakes with 
the twist-shifter on my Bike Friday.)
Cheers!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Terrific Writeup on the origins of Rivendell by Jan Heine

[Patrick Moore]

+ 1. Me, I sense that Jan rather regrets the old Rivendell days and models
-- old, versatile, but still race-connected, steel road bike. I do too, but
so what: Grant has found a market and, almost more important, a group of
aficionados, who love the current "cruiser" bikes; certainly, such a deep
and widespread following for Clems and Appaloosas and so forth means that
these fill a real need. And, of course, there are still available the
Roadeo, the Legolas, and (I'm out of touch) various "country bikes" like
the Sam and Atlantis and and -- forget now. Hilsen? And customs, of course.

But I am still very glad that I got Grant to build my Riv Roads!

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Thank you Jan, for distilling history and offering this heart filled
> tribute to what has been so rewarding to so many of us
>
> Michel
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 1:41:34 PM UTC-4, Austin B wrote:
>>
>> As seen on the Facebook Riv group:
>>
>> 1995 Rivendell: Turning the Tide
>> 
>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2017/07/22/1995-rivendell-tur
>> ning-the-tide/
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Re: [RBW] [song] The Ride

[Patrick Moore]

The original XXXcycle song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jamtAPsTFvI

"Just wanna ride my b..b..b..bye-icicle."

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Ray Varella 
wrote:

> He recorded a follow up song to that one called "Acoustic Motorbike"
>
> As you may have guessed, unplugged is sans motor.
>
> Thanks for posting.
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[RBW] [song] The Ride

[Ray Varella]

He recorded a follow up song to that one called "Acoustic Motorbike"

As you may have guessed, unplugged is sans motor. 

Thanks for posting. 

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[RBW] Re: Terrific Writeup on the origins of Rivendell by Jan Heine

[Michael Hechmer]

Thank you Jan, for distilling history and offering this heart filled 
tribute to what has been so rewarding to so many of us

Michel

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 1:41:34 PM UTC-4, Austin B wrote:
>
> As seen on the Facebook Riv group:
>
> 1995 Rivendell: Turning the Tide 
> 
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2017/07/22/1995-rivendell-turning-the-tide/
>
>
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[RBW] FS/FT Makeshifter Canvasworks Outback Saddle Bag

[Broccoli Cog]

Hello All, 

I have an impeccably handcrafted saddle bag from Makeshifter Canvasworks of 
Portland, OR. I took delivery on the bag in early June after waiting six 
weeks for it to be completed. I have used it on my bike since then with 
only one overnight trip. The bag is in like new condition with only a few 
smudges that can likely be cleaned off. In my personal opinion the more 
"beasauge" the better the bag looks. 

I am looking to sell it because it is just slightly too small for what I 
was looking for. I would like to replace it with a Sackville Medium. I paid 
$250 for it and would like to get $200 shipped via PayPal. As an 
alternative I would be willing to trade it for a Medium Sackville 
Saddlesack that is in good condition. Perhaps you have a collection of 
Saddlesack's and you can part with your medium? Would only accept trades on 
something that is in good condition. The bag I have is practically new. The 
current retail on a similar bag on their website is  $265. 

For photos please see here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WNgI7b8MOSRwE21R2

For more info on the Makeshifter Outback see here: 
http://www.makeshiftercanvasworks.com/shop-online/outback-saddlebag

Please contact me via private message if there is interest. 

Tim

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[RBW] Re: FS New Shimano XT CS-M8000 11 speed cassette 11-42

[adam leibow]

hi Bruce, will take. 

pls text Adam 310 963 6959. thanks!!

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 3:51:18 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
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> New Shimano XT CS-M8000 11 speed cassette 11-42 new and never mounted. $55 
> plus shipping CONUS 
>
> Thx,
>
> Bruce in San Diego
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Re: [RBW] (Re)-introduction and feeler for a trade

[Patrick Moore]

David: very sorry to learn of your accident; I hope extensive, and even
complete, recovery is a possibility.

You should confer with Deacon Patrick.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 12:58 PM, David Spranger 
wrote:

> I have been a member of this group for a long time. I have not been active
> for a while due to a crash. I have a Rambouillet, an A. Homer Hilsen and a
> (crashed) SimpleOne. My spouse has a Betty Foy.
>
> I was at the receiving end of a hit-and-run crash a while back and have
> not been able to do much riding since. I used to ride those bikes, along
> with my LHT as my main transportation for many, many years. Because of the
> injuries to my brain, I do not trust myself to ride alone in traffic
> anymore. I live in the city, so I don't have much choices of riding as
> transportation anymore. I have trail riding available to me. It takes
> someone picking me up to take me to them, but at least they are available.
>
> I am considering trading the AHH for a Hunqapillar, to better suit some of
> the trails, either complete or as frame/fork. I can provide details on the
> Homer to anyone interested, but it is the one of the earliest of the blues,
> if not the first. It is sized at 63cm. The paint is in very good shape.
> Minor scratching from many years of use, but no dents or dings. As is, it
> is very well equipped with bosco bullmoose, wood fenders, and other details
> that I can list forever (and will for anyone who wishes).
>
> As long as the Hunq does not have dents or dings, I will be happy with any
> and all paint scratches. I am interested in the 58cm size.
>
> Thanks so much for your reading and consideration.
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[RBW] FS New Shimano XT CS-M8000 11 speed cassette 11-42

[Bruce Smitham]

New Shimano XT CS-M8000 11 speed cassette 11-42 new and never mounted. $55 
plus shipping CONUS 

Thx,

Bruce in San Diego

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[RBW] WTT: On One Midge 25.4 for 31.8 or Soma Junebug 31.8 Silver

[Justin, Oakland]

I think Lesli L might want to buy that midge for her upcoming build. 

-Justin

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[RBW] [song] The Ride

[WETH]

"Poetry in motion On two wheels"
Thanks for sharing this- I enjoyed it.

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[RBW] Re: (Re)-introduction and feeler for a trade

[Ryan Fleming]

Sorry to hear about your hit and run; I had one last fall and although I 
only compressed an L1 vertebra , I find that I too am more stressed in city 
traffic (which I try to do my best to avoid), but I'm still commuting. Have 
not done as many longer rides this year , nor , I'm afraid , ridden the new 
mixte yet, but there are other reasons for that , not bike or trauma related

It does indeed  take a mental toll long after the physical injuries (and 
bikes) are healed. However, I am glad to hear that you are still riding

Good  luck with your Hunq search

Best regards, Ryan

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 1:58:38 PM UTC-5, David Spranger wrote:
>
> I have been a member of this group for a long time. I have not been active 
> for a while due to a crash. I have a Rambouillet, an A. Homer Hilsen and a 
> (crashed) SimpleOne. My spouse has a Betty Foy. 
>
> I was at the receiving end of a hit-and-run crash a while back and have 
> not been able to do much riding since. I used to ride those bikes, along 
> with my LHT as my main transportation for many, many years. Because of the 
> injuries to my brain, I do not trust myself to ride alone in traffic 
> anymore. I live in the city, so I don't have much choices of riding as 
> transportation anymore. I have trail riding available to me. It takes 
> someone picking me up to take me to them, but at least they are available.
>
> I am considering trading the AHH for a Hunqapillar, to better suit some of 
> the trails, either complete or as frame/fork. I can provide details on the 
> Homer to anyone interested, but it is the one of the earliest of the blues, 
> if not the first. It is sized at 63cm. The paint is in very good shape. 
> Minor scratching from many years of use, but no dents or dings. As is, it 
> is very well equipped with bosco bullmoose, wood fenders, and other details 
> that I can list forever (and will for anyone who wishes).
>
> As long as the Hunq does not have dents or dings, I will be happy with any 
> and all paint scratches. I am interested in the 58cm size.
>
> Thanks so much for your reading and consideration.
>

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[RBW] Re: (Re)-introduction and feeler for a trade

[Minh]

David,

Sorry to hear about your crash, always tough to hear from long-time members 
in this case and gives me pause to appreciate how fortunate i have been not 
have this happen to me.  Do what you need to do to be comfortable on the 
bike, even if that means switching to trail-riding.  

Good luck in your search and hope you (keep) getting better!

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 2:58:38 PM UTC-4, David Spranger wrote:
>
> I have been a member of this group for a long time. I have not been active 
> for a while due to a crash. I have a Rambouillet, an A. Homer Hilsen and a 
> (crashed) SimpleOne. My spouse has a Betty Foy. 
>
> I was at the receiving end of a hit-and-run crash a while back and have 
> not been able to do much riding since. I used to ride those bikes, along 
> with my LHT as my main transportation for many, many years. Because of the 
> injuries to my brain, I do not trust myself to ride alone in traffic 
> anymore. I live in the city, so I don't have much choices of riding as 
> transportation anymore. I have trail riding available to me. It takes 
> someone picking me up to take me to them, but at least they are available.
>
> I am considering trading the AHH for a Hunqapillar, to better suit some of 
> the trails, either complete or as frame/fork. I can provide details on the 
> Homer to anyone interested, but it is the one of the earliest of the blues, 
> if not the first. It is sized at 63cm. The paint is in very good shape. 
> Minor scratching from many years of use, but no dents or dings. As is, it 
> is very well equipped with bosco bullmoose, wood fenders, and other details 
> that I can list forever (and will for anyone who wishes).
>
> As long as the Hunq does not have dents or dings, I will be happy with any 
> and all paint scratches. I am interested in the 58cm size.
>
> Thanks so much for your reading and consideration.
>

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[RBW] (Re)-introduction and feeler for a trade

[Daniel Jackson]

What are the brake Mounts? Side pull, canti, centerpull?

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[RBW] WTT: On One Midge 25.4 for 31.8 or Soma Junebug 31.8 Silver

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

BIG longshot here...

I have an On One Midge silver in 25.4 but my stem is 31.8

I would like to run the bar, and will do so with problem solvers shim if 
need be, BUT...

Maybe someone has a 31.8 Silver Midge, OR a 31.8 Silver Junebug for even 
trade??

What say the forum voices?

Cheers,
Brad

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[RBW] (Re)-introduction and feeler for a trade

[David Spranger]

I have been a member of this group for a long time. I have not been active 
for a while due to a crash. I have a Rambouillet, an A. Homer Hilsen and a 
(crashed) SimpleOne. My spouse has a Betty Foy. 

I was at the receiving end of a hit-and-run crash a while back and have not 
been able to do much riding since. I used to ride those bikes, along with 
my LHT as my main transportation for many, many years. Because of the 
injuries to my brain, I do not trust myself to ride alone in traffic 
anymore. I live in the city, so I don't have much choices of riding as 
transportation anymore. I have trail riding available to me. It takes 
someone picking me up to take me to them, but at least they are available.

I am considering trading the AHH for a Hunqapillar, to better suit some of 
the trails, either complete or as frame/fork. I can provide details on the 
Homer to anyone interested, but it is the one of the earliest of the blues, 
if not the first. It is sized at 63cm. The paint is in very good shape. 
Minor scratching from many years of use, but no dents or dings. As is, it 
is very well equipped with bosco bullmoose, wood fenders, and other details 
that I can list forever (and will for anyone who wishes).

As long as the Hunq does not have dents or dings, I will be happy with any 
and all paint scratches. I am interested in the 58cm size.

Thanks so much for your reading and consideration.

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Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Steve Palincsar]

When considering all this "skill" just tthink about doing this at night 
when you're dog tired having already ridden a couple of hundred miles 
witth many more miles to come.  All that fine motor skill ttends to get 
lost in the sauce.



On 07/24/2017 10:50 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Lesli: Thanks, but any bike wisdom I have comes from making mistakes 
-- trying things out in ignorance, and finding out they don't work) 
and having started quite young so as to have enough time to make more 
of them.


I don't know the model numbers, but the rear derailleurs I have in 
mind because I've used them, are the "Deore", Deore DX, and "Deore XT" 
and plain old "XT: models Shimano used for its 7 and 8 speed mountain 
bike drivetrains; all still silver. But all Shimano drivetrain 
components from 600 EX on that I've used, no matter what the level, 
have shifted very well, though the low end models (forget names) 
probably would be more short lived, having plastic in place of metal 
and cheaper metal parts.


Vintage XTR has a reputation as the cream of the cream, but I've not 
used XTR of any vintage.


VeloBase has a lot of good information on obsolete parts: 
http://velobase.com/


I've used several very old SunTour rear derailleurs too -- Crane, VGT, 
others -- but always found that the Shimanos shifted better. The later 
Suntour Cyclones and Superbe Pros may well work as well as the 
Shimanos but I have less experience with those. (The caliper brakes, 
cranksets, and the grease port bb assembly are excellent.)


Regarding brake levers: Shimano aero levers, pre STI design -- still 
made, I think -- work well for smaller hands, at least up to a point, 
and they have a particularly smooth and efficient feel, perhaps becase 
of their return springs. And old Dia Comp aero levers have notoriously 
short hoods, so may be even better, though it's been a long while 
since I used these or for that matter, anything except for Shimano. My 
DC levers didn't have a QR, and I don't know if yours have the 
similar, short hoods. SunTour aero levers also have shortish hoods, 
much like those from Dia Compe.


IME, the Shimanos are conspicuously easier to use -- better lever 
shape for hood braking, smoother cable pull, less effort required for 
a given braking action, nicer hood shape -- certainly better than any 
Mafac lever I've used.


As Steve said, modern indexing is pretty bullet proof. But I've found 
friction shifting Hyperglide cogsets more precise, not less, than 
shifting old straight tooth freewheels, even if these freewheels have 
fewer cogs and wider spaces between them -- and this using the same 
shifters, derailleurs, and chains. IME, friction shifting up to 9 cogs 
is easy, 10 requires more concentration and better technique but, with 
the technique, is easy.


Note though that it's easier to shift 9 or 10 with precision using a 
10 speed rd, which has less sideways travel per unit of cable pulled, 
than with one made for 8 or 7 cogs. Likewise, it's easier to shift 10 
using a shifter with less cable pull like the Simplex retrofriction dt 
shifters or the Rivendell Silver dt or be shifters.


I shift 10 using an 8 speed era RD and SunTour Power Ratchet shifters 
made in the 5 speed era, thus causing myself a wee bit more work, but 
I enjoy acquiring the skill required (small but precise and 
unhesitating hand movement) to use the older stuff. It's interesting 
to see how little cable travel this rd and shifter require to span 10 
cogs -- about 1/3 of the bar end shifter's travel -- compared to the 
Silvers, which required about 120* of travel for the same span -- this 
with the same 8 sp rd; with a 10 speed the angle would be even greater.


It will be interesting to hear of your final choice of components.

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Lesli Larson > wrote:


Patrick-

As always - thanks for your wisdom. I'm definitely looking for
functional vintage over spendy pretty bits.

The bike will be for serious rando so durability is an issue. I
just don't like how most new/tech parts look so I'm always erring
on side of shopping from the past where I can secure something
that will look nice and still perform a job.

I'm very intersted in Shimanon derailleurs that you mention. I'm
just not sure which vintage to target.

I'm current running friction on my bike with a TA crank and XTR
rear. Not sure about the front derailleur.

This bike has a compact double with a wide cluster in the back -
requiring medium/long cage rd.

I use the Tektro levers with the quick release button. I'd like to
buy vintage aero levers if i can find one with the equivalent reach.

I'm also looking for a lightweight handlebar that works for
smaller hands. I use an on one midge bars which I like because of
the short reach and wide top part. Most of the Nitto offerings are
just too large/wide.  I need something with a shallow drop.

Not 

Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Steve Palincsar]

"only if you could adjust to the reverse shifting moment" -- which in my 
opinion is what I would call***/easy to go wrong/* and it's also all too 
easy to end up with one of these by accident.  YMMV.  Some people 
actually like them -- but I know (from personal experience with bass 
ackwards Sun Tour front derailleurs) that the day will surely come when 
they will regret having this reflex.



On 07/24/2017 10:58 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Is "I agree generally with Steve, but my sole experience with a LX rd 
from about 2006 (so, 10 speed?) which was "Rapid Rise" -- reverse pull 
-- was that it shifted beautifully in friction, certainly beter over 9 
cogs than a Dura Ace 7400, but only if you could adjust to the reverse 
shifting movement -- "high normal", where releasing cable tension put 
the cage at the big/innermost cog.


On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:


It's hard to go wrong with any of the Deore XT / XTR Shimano MTBs
of the 8 or 9 speed eras, except for "Rapid Rise".

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[RBW] [song] The Ride

[Ash [who works to bike]]

One of my fav songs 

https://youtu.be/-dGcmTzFbY8

I've listened to it so many times, thought it is only fair that I'd shared 
it with the group!


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[RBW] WTB: Used 700c and 26 fat (non-knobby) tires and long reach caliper/centerpull brakes

[Ash [who works to bike]]

Want to experiment with fatter tires on my friend's hybrid and mountain 
bikes.  I want to see what's the fattest they can handle.  Figured I can 
buy and try some tires you are about to throw away, instead of relying on 
theoretical measurements.  

The hybrid has calipers.  So we'd be interested in a long reach caliper as 
well.


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[RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Garth]

Some short drop/reach handlebars  I'm assuming you'd want a 38 or 40 
width.  The Dajia at least suggests a removable face plate stem because it 
may be difficult to maneuver the bends. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NITTO-M106NAS-Silver-Road-Racing-Drop-Bar-380-mm-M106NAS-W380-/322570363742?hash=item4b1ab1235e:g:wMgAAOSw-vlVlj8q

https://www.modernbike.com/dimension-40cm-short-drop-26.0-handlebar-silver

https://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/dajia-cycleworks-short-and-shallow-handlebar.html


For brake lever, I gotta say classic non aero ones like Campy NR/SR to me 
were good for small hands as I always found them too small !  Tektro makes 
a aero smaller lever RL341, but the body appears out of place as it regular 
length, so kinda goofy. A aero Shimano BL-R400 may work for you as the body 
is kinda small compared with many today with a regular size lever. 

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[RBW] Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[Deacon Patrick]

Sweet! I love those trellis shots! Wow.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Re: Terrific Writeup on the origins of Rivendell by Jan Heine

[Ryan Fleming]

actually when you enlarge it, it shows up pretty well. A classic!

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 2:56:03 PM UTC-5, Mojo wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Chameleon paint was a production paint choice for an upcharge, $90 if 
> memory serves. It's purple-green that doesn't show well in photography, 
> especially crappy cell-phone photography.
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 1:52:36 PM UTC-6, William R. wrote:
>
>> Mojo: beautiful AllRounder. Re: the chameleon paint: was that a 
>> production color, custom or custom repaint?
>>
>> Great write up in the summer issue of BQ. First thing I read when I got 
>> my copy in the mail. 
>>
>> Bill in Westchester, NY
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks Erl.  Indeed, I will definitely have to look into that.  I believe I 
can take Amtrak (with the bike) from Galesburg to Kansas City.  That would 
get me near the western start.  Then, if I decided I would/could do the 
whole thing, I would just need to figure out the logistics from the St. 
Louis area (??) back home.  I am thinking there might be more rail trails 
or at least good roads where I could just ride back home (which would be 
very cool).  Could be great fun and certainly good practice for longer 
adventures.

I am going to work on figuring out!  

Thanks again for the post, pictures and ride report.

Bob
 

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 9:14:04 AM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
> Roberta and Bob,
> Thanks for the kind words. 
> Bob, you seem to be 3-4 hours from the start of the Katy trail in St. 
> Charles, MO.  http://www.bikekatytrail.com
> It is on my list of trails I want to ride.  It seems similar to the GAP 
> trail in many ways.
> All the best,
> Erl

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Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Jay Fichialos]

Hey, that's a lot like my Jack Taylor rando bike!



This is a picture of it when it was first built, since then I've put 10k+
miles on it.

With regards the Lesli's question, on the original build I put some new at
the time Sram Red front and rear derailleurs on it and a 9 speed cassette,
the Red rear worked well with medium range gearing, but with the mountains
passes I like to climb in Utah I ended up switching the rear derailleur to
a Sram XX and a 11-32 cassette. Both set-ups work great with down tube
shifting. Crank is Rene Herse 48/36. (Have a 32 ring I've thought about
putting on the front, but have been ok with the 36 so far).

Wear and tear has been, 2 sets of tires, replaced one broken fender bridge
on the back and replaced one front rack. Both the bridge and rack developed
fatigue cracks.
Wouldn't hesitate to hop on it and ride across the country.

Enjoying the ride!

-Jay Fichialos

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 07/23/2017 04:22 PM, Lesli Larson wrote:
>
> Patrick-
>
> As always - thanks for your wisdom. I'm definitely looking for functional
> vintage over spendy pretty bits.
>
> The bike will be for serious rando so durability is an issue. I just don't
> like how most new/tech parts look so I'm always erring on side of shopping
> from the past where I can secure something that will look nice and still
> perform a job.
>
> I'm very intersted in Shimanon derailleurs that you mention. I'm just not
> sure which vintage to target.
>
>
> It's hard to go wrong with any of the Deore XT / XTR Shimano MTBs of the 8
> or 9 speed eras, except for "Rapid Rise".  They all work wonderfully.   And
> they index really well, too.   Hard for me to accept that they're "vintage"
> technology and I don't consider them so.
>
> Friction shifting Hyperglide is all very well and good, and except for the
> lack of auditory feedback and a relentless desire to ghost shift built into
> its basic nature - in many ways better than friction shifting ever was back
> in the 1970s - but for a serious randonneur it's hard for me to see the
> point.  Indexing just plain works better -- at least setups with bar end
> shifters and 8 or 9 speed wide range cassettes -- and you don't have to
> fuss over it or concentrate very hard on it to make it work well.
>
> It's one thing to set up a bike for Eroica-esque historical re-enactment,
> it's a whole different thing to set a bike up for randonneuring.  I'm sure
> nobody would suggest "vintage" bottle generators and Jos incandescent
> lights for real honest to god brevets; as far as I'm concerned it's the
> same for drivetrains.
>
> Here's my latest (and also my oldest).  The frame happens to be from
> 1963.  The drive train is as contemporary-functional as it gets: XTR M900
> crank & rear derailleur, circa 2002 9 speed XT front derailleur (although
> just about anything including the Campagnolo Nuovo Record I took off my
> Paramount back in 1975 would probably work just as well), NOS 8 speed
> Shimano bar end shifters and a customized 12-32 8 speed Sunrace cassette I
> turned into a 13-32.   The range and spacing suit this frame very well,
> better I think than a 9 speed of the same range would do.
>
>
>
> The front wheel came off my VO Randonneur when thanks to Bosch's
> settlement on the VW Diesel Emissions Scandal I upgraded the front wheel to
> the lastest Son Delux Widebody, and the brakes are Mafac Racers Igor worked
> over and made as new.  The brake levers are Dia Compe aero levers I got
> somewhere and didn't even remember I had, probably came on my Alex Moulton
> AM.   I've got the parts but haven't finished the lighting yet - still
> recovering from the epic struggle of putting fenders on this bike.
>
>
>
> I'm current running friction on my bike with a TA crank and XTR rear. Not
> sure about the front derailleur.
>
> This bike has a compact double with a wide cluster in the back - requiring
> medium/long cage rd.
>
> I use the Tektro levers with the quick release button. I'd like to buy
> vintage aero levers if i can find one with the equivalent reach.
>
> I'm also looking for a lightweight handlebar that works for smaller hands.
> I use an on one midge bars which I like because of the short reach and wide
> top part. Most of the Nitto offerings are just too large/wide.  I need
> something with a shallow drop.
>
> Not sure if anyone is making lightweight classic looking parts (ala Nitto)
> for smaller/shorter cyclists (and women).
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 3:46:39 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Leslie: It all depends what you mean by "vintage." Some "vintage" bits
>> are exorbitantly expensive -- Dura Ace 7410 brake lever hoods. Others are
>> still very reasonable -- Shimano 600 levers. 9 speed LX derailleurs IME
>> shift wonderfully; are those old enough to be "vintage"?
>>
>> 10 speed? 9? 8? 7? Fixed?
>>
>> And what sort of stuff. Racer? Mountain bike? Just ride?
>>
>> You can find on this list, on other lists, and on 

Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Patrick Moore]

Is "I agree generally with Steve, but my sole experience with a LX rd from
about 2006 (so, 10 speed?) which was "Rapid Rise" -- reverse pull -- was
that it shifted beautifully in friction, certainly better over 9 cogs than
a Dura Ace 7400, but only if you could adjust to the reverse shifting
movement -- "high normal", where releasing cable tension put the cage at
the big/innermost cog.

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> It's hard to go wrong with any of the Deore XT / XTR Shimano MTBs of the 8
> or 9 speed eras, except for "Rapid Rise".
>

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Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Patrick Moore]

Lesli: Thanks, but any bike wisdom I have comes from making mistakes --
trying things out in ignorance, and finding out they don't work) and having
started quite young so as to have enough time to make more of them.

I don't know the model numbers, but the rear derailleurs I have in mind
because I've used them, are the "Deore", Deore DX, and "Deore XT" and plain
old "XT: models Shimano used for its 7 and 8 speed mountain bike
drivetrains; all still silver. But all Shimano drivetrain components from
600 EX on that I've used, no matter what the level, have shifted very well,
though the low end models (forget names) probably would be more short
lived, having plastic in place of metal and cheaper metal parts.

Vintage XTR has a reputation as the cream of the cream, but I've not used
XTR of any vintage.

VeloBase has a lot of good information on obsolete parts:
http://velobase.com/

I've used several very old SunTour rear derailleurs too -- Crane, VGT,
others -- but always found that the Shimanos shifted better. The later
Suntour Cyclones and Superbe Pros may well work as well as the Shimanos but
I have less experience with those. (The caliper brakes, cranksets, and the
grease port bb assembly are excellent.)

Regarding brake levers: Shimano aero levers, pre STI design -- still made,
I think -- work well for smaller hands, at least up to a point, and they
have a particularly smooth and efficient feel, perhaps becase of their
return springs. And old Dia Comp aero levers have notoriously short hoods,
so may be even better, though it's been a long while since I used these or
for that matter, anything except for Shimano. My DC levers didn't have a
QR, and I don't know if yours have the similar, short hoods. SunTour aero
levers also have shortish hoods, much like those from Dia Compe.

IME, the Shimanos are conspicuously easier to use -- better lever shape for
hood braking, smoother cable pull, less effort required for a given braking
action, nicer hood shape -- certainly better than any Mafac lever I've
used.

As Steve said, modern indexing is pretty bullet proof. But I've found
friction shifting Hyperglide cogsets more precise, not less, than shifting
old straight tooth freewheels, even if these freewheels have fewer cogs and
wider spaces between them -- and this using the same shifters, derailleurs,
and chains. IME, friction shifting up to 9 cogs is easy, 10 requires more
concentration and better technique but, with the technique, is easy.

Note though that it's easier to shift 9 or 10 with precision using a 10
speed rd, which has less sideways travel per unit of cable pulled, than
with one made for 8 or 7 cogs. Likewise, it's easier to shift 10 using a
shifter with less cable pull like the Simplex retrofriction dt shifters or
the Rivendell Silver dt or be shifters.

I shift 10 using an 8 speed era RD and SunTour Power Ratchet shifters made
in the 5 speed era, thus causing myself a wee bit more work, but I enjoy
acquiring the skill required (small but precise and unhesitating hand
movement) to use the older stuff. It's interesting to see how little cable
travel this rd and shifter require to span 10 cogs -- about 1/3 of the bar
end shifter's travel -- compared to the Silvers, which required about 120*
of travel for the same span -- this with the same 8 sp rd; with a 10 speed
the angle would be even greater.

It will be interesting to hear of your final choice of components.

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Lesli Larson 
wrote:

> Patrick-
>
> As always - thanks for your wisdom. I'm definitely looking for functional
> vintage over spendy pretty bits.
>
> The bike will be for serious rando so durability is an issue. I just don't
> like how most new/tech parts look so I'm always erring on side of shopping
> from the past where I can secure something that will look nice and still
> perform a job.
>
> I'm very intersted in Shimanon derailleurs that you mention. I'm just not
> sure which vintage to target.
>
> I'm current running friction on my bike with a TA crank and XTR rear. Not
> sure about the front derailleur.
>
> This bike has a compact double with a wide cluster in the back - requiring
> medium/long cage rd.
>
> I use the Tektro levers with the quick release button. I'd like to buy
> vintage aero levers if i can find one with the equivalent reach.
>
> I'm also looking for a lightweight handlebar that works for smaller hands.
> I use an on one midge bars which I like because of the short reach and wide
> top part. Most of the Nitto offerings are just too large/wide.  I need
> something with a shallow drop.
>
> Not sure if anyone is making lightweight classic looking parts (ala Nitto)
> for smaller/shorter cyclists (and women).
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 3:46:39 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Leslie: It all depends what you mean by "vintage." Some "vintage" bits
>> are exorbitantly expensive -- Dura Ace 7410 brake lever hoods. Others are
>> still very reasonable -- Shimano 600 levers. 9 speed LX

[RBW] Does this mean I have a bad rear hub?

[Ian A]

Could be a broken axel - this is quite common on freewheel hubs. Easy fix. 

IanA

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[RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[Jay Connolly]

Great looking ride and some wonderful photos.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[WETH]

Roberta and Bob,
Thanks for the kind words. 
Bob, you seem to be 3-4 hours from the start of the Katy trail in St. Charles, 
MO.  http://www.bikekatytrail.com
It is on my list of trails I want to ride.  It seems similar to the GAP trail 
in many ways.
All the best,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Does this mean I have a bad rear hub?

[EasyRider]

Perhaps all your hub needs is to be repacked with new grease and adjusted 
to take the lateral play out.

Is it a freewheel hub, or a cassette freehub? 
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/free-k7.html



On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 3:32:25 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Free*wheel* 7-speed cassette rear hub.
>
> A quiet knocking noise with weighted pedaling has started.
>
> Hub spins gravelly in the hands, and when I pinch the 36-tooth cassette 
> cog between my thumb and index finger and wiggle, there is a tiny bit of 
> play.
>
> Do I need a new wheel, or can this be inexpensively overhauled?
>
>
>
> *Other question is,* if I just replace the wheel with a spare wheel I 
> have (it is an LX 8-speed shimano type freehub wheel, with a 7-speed 
> cassette and 4.5  spacer on it), will is work with the existing indexing 
> shimano 7-speed derailers and shifters? Dropout spacing is the same.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: WI Dos Eno 16/19t

[Deacon Patrick]

Why the Quickbeam? The elegance of simplicity is an entirely different 
experience to ride. The gear's in your legs. Elegant silence. Yet you can 
shift with a wee bit of work when needed and still be single speed.
http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/quickbeam-sightings

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 9:53:27 PM UTC-6, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> I am curious. What is the benefit of writing up your bike this way versus 
> the usual geared bike. Is if the simplicity? The Quickbeam is beautiful and 
> I like reading the ride reports.  

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Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Ron Mc]

Novarra steel cages from REI also have the long tabs needed with VO strap 
clamps (TA clone).  However, my VO straps rusted after 2 years, and I went 
to King Cage stud-welded hose clamps on two bikes.  

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 9:26:08 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 07/23/2017 10:14 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Are those the VO cage mounts? If so, what are the cages?
>
>
> Zefal Retro cages (the only ones I found that still had the long tabs for 
> clamp-on mounting) and NOS TA alloy clamps.  Seems the new ones you find 
> only fit OS tubing, which is curious because every OS bike I've ever looked 
> at already had brazed on water bottle cage mounts.  You can get the TA 
> clamps two ways on ebay: no packaging, no screws, ten bucks enough for one 
> cage; or, in the original paper envelope with screws, a hundred bucks.  
> Those are some expensive paper envelopes!
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 5:27:56 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/23/2017 04:22 PM, Lesli Larson wrote:
>>
>> Patrick- 
>>
>> As always - thanks for your wisdom. I'm definitely looking for functional 
>> vintage over spendy pretty bits. 
>>
>> The bike will be for serious rando so durability is an issue. I just 
>> don't like how most new/tech parts look so I'm always erring on side of 
>> shopping from the past where I can secure something that will look nice and 
>> still perform a job. 
>>
>> I'm very intersted in Shimanon derailleurs that you mention. I'm just not 
>> sure which vintage to target.
>>
>>
>> It's hard to go wrong with any of the Deore XT / XTR Shimano MTBs of the 
>> 8 or 9 speed eras, except for "Rapid Rise".  They all work wonderfully.   
>> And they index really well, too.   Hard for me to accept that they're 
>> "vintage" technology and I don't consider them so.  
>>
>> Friction shifting Hyperglide is all very well and good, and except for 
>> the lack of auditory feedback and a relentless desire to ghost shift built 
>> into its basic nature - in many ways better than friction shifting ever was 
>> back in the 1970s - but for a serious randonneur it's hard for me to see 
>> the point.  Indexing just plain works better -- at least setups with bar 
>> end shifters and 8 or 9 speed wide range cassettes -- and you don't have to 
>> fuss over it or concentrate very hard on it to make it work well.   
>>
>> It's one thing to set up a bike for Eroica-esque historical re-enactment, 
>> it's a whole different thing to set a bike up for randonneuring.  I'm sure 
>> nobody would suggest "vintage" bottle generators and Jos incandescent 
>> lights for real honest to god brevets; as far as I'm concerned it's the 
>> same for drivetrains.   
>>
>> Here's my latest (and also my oldest).  The frame happens to be from 
>> 1963.  The drive train is as contemporary-functional as it gets: XTR M900 
>> crank & rear derailleur, circa 2002 9 speed XT front derailleur (although 
>> just about anything including the Campagnolo Nuovo Record I took off my 
>> Paramount back in 1975 would probably work just as well), NOS 8 speed 
>> Shimano bar end shifters and a customized 12-32 8 speed Sunrace cassette I 
>> turned into a 13-32.   The range and spacing suit this frame very well, 
>> better I think than a 9 speed of the same range would do.
>>
>>
>>
>> The front wheel came off my VO Randonneur when thanks to Bosch's 
>> settlement on the VW Diesel Emissions Scandal I upgraded the front wheel to 
>> the lastest Son Delux Widebody, and the brakes are Mafac Racers Igor worked 
>> over and made as new.  The brake levers are Dia Compe aero levers I got 
>> somewhere and didn't even remember I had, probably came on my Alex Moulton 
>> AM.   I've got the parts but haven't finished the lighting yet - still 
>> recovering from the epic struggle of putting fenders on this bike.
>>
>>
>> I'm current running friction on my bike with a TA crank and XTR rear. Not 
>> sure about the front derailleur. 
>>
>> This bike has a compact double with a wide cluster in the back - 
>> requiring medium/long cage rd.
>>
>> I use the Tektro levers with the quick release button. I'd like to buy 
>> vintage aero levers if i can find one with the equivalent reach.
>>
>> I'm also looking for a lightweight handlebar that works for smaller 
>> hands. I use an on one midge bars which I like because of the short reach 
>> and wide top part. Most of the Nitto offerings are just too large/wide.  I 
>> need something with a shallow drop.
>>
>> Not sure if anyone is making lightweight classic looking parts (ala 
>> Nitto) for smaller/shorter cyclists (and women).
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 3:46:39 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: 
>>>
>>> Leslie: It all depends what you mean by "vintage." Some "vintage" bits 
>>> are exorbitantly expensive -- Dura Ace 7410 brake lever hoods. Others are 
>>> still very reasonable -- Shimano 600 levers. 9 speed LX derailleurs IME 
>>> shift wonderfully; are those old

[RBW] Re: Does this mean I have a bad rear hub?

[Ron Mc]

If it's high-mileage loose-bearing hubs, the cone/race could be shot, 
though the parts can often be found even for old hubs.  
If it's sealed-bearing, should be nothing to it for your LBS.  If you want 
to spend more than Deac's 19 cents, Boca Bearings has a pretty good 
application database for his wares.  
I'm running Si-N ceramic balls in my C-Record hubs.  

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