[RBW] Re: Looking For Some Help

[lum gim fong]

Praying for your successful surgery and quick recovery!! And sale of bikes, too!

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[RBW] Re: Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[lum gim fong]

Another one of the world's greatest distance riders with a "non-optimal" 
setup:

https://www.ultracycling.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/breedlove_600k.jpg

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[RBW] Re: Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[lum gim fong]

Here is the "world's greatest randonneur"'s Sam bike. Rear rack:

 https://chasingmailboxes.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/dsc03188.jpg

full article:
https://chasingmailboxes.com/2011/04/13/bikes-to-like-worlds-greatest-randonneurs-sam-hillborne/

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[RBW] Re: Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[lum gim fong]

As you work up to longer and longer training and perms and brevet rides, 
you will discover what is "optimal" for your setup  - what works best for 
you. Trial and error. Tweaking your setups until you find what works for 
you. Balancing between light and efficient, comfortable, and 
durable/reliable (Noone wants to be stranded in the middle of nowhere). 
Same with your food and drink on rides. Same with your clothing and shoes.
seem to do fin
I have seen randonneurs on bikes with all sorts of setups. So never fear. 
Front racks, rear racks, upright bars, "heavy" steel bikes, skinny tires on 
carbon race bikes, lights duct taped to helmets, crammed bar bags dangling 
high up on high handlebars, etc.

One of the greatest distance riders in the history of bike riding, Lon 
Haldeman, I think rode his Quickbeam with a hacked rear rack and bungeed 
large rear bag on PBP with mismatched components and hacked bar wrap. I 
remember seeing a write up about it by another randonneur somewhere online 
with pics.

So whatever works for you is best!!


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[RBW] A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

[Scott McLain]

Hi Drew,
I own both and really like both.  The LHT gets the wrap of being a tank, but i 
think it rolls down the road very nice and provides a fairly cush ride.  The 
AHH provides a bit of spring on hill and feels more responsive.  I primarily 
like having a side pull brake bike and a cantilever brake bike to enable 
different tire types and widths.  I ride my AHH every day and keep the LHT 
around for loaded touring trips and bad weather days.  They are very 
complimentary of each other.

Good Luck,
Scott

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[RBW] Re: Several things I saw at Blue Lug

[Takashi]

Both custom frames still belong to a same owner (a BL customer), so they do 
not belong to Blue Lug.
But BL staff told me that the frames, before coming to Blue Lug, have been 
hanging in the owner's house for many years, not ridden.
So if I urge BL people to contact the owner and then BL urges the owner to 
sell the frames... maybe  ???

Takashi


On Friday, December 29, 2017 at 7:26:50 AM UTC+9, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
>
>
>
> *A beautiful Rivendell custom:Blue Lug also runs cafe near their Hatagaya 
> Store.I was enjoying coffee there when I noticed there was a beautiful 
> custom frame displayed.A canti frame with S couplers. It should be 
> ridden, not displayed!*
>
> On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 5:07:59 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Which frame are you referring to, Mark?
>>
>> On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 7:54:14 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing your bike shop trips, Takashi. Hopefully if someone 
>>> expressed an interest in the bike hanging on the wall, they would sell it. 
>>> The Blue Lug Hunqabear sticker is awesome!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 5:24:32 PM UTC-8, Takashi wrote:


 A beautiful Rivendell custom:
 Blue Lug also runs cafe near their Hatagaya Store.
 I was enjoying coffee there when I noticed there was a beautiful custom 
 frame displayed.
 A canti frame with S couplers. It should be ridden, not displayed!




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[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

[Bill Lindsay]

I think the BMC Road is a less-fancy-looking functional equivalent to the 
Leo Roadini and the Roadeo.  I had Mark Abele at Rivendell help me with 
some minor set-up work on one of my BMC Roads, and he said "this thing is 
an amazing deal for what you get".

The BMC Monster-Cross does compare somewhat to a Canti-Sam.  I have run 
Bruce Gordon Rock and Roads on my Sam and the BMC Monster Cross was kind of 
designed around that tire.  So they are pretty close in capability.  

Bill who-rode-his-stripped-down-racing-BMC-today Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 8:34:22 AM UTC-8, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Bill - As a fan of BMC bikes how would you compare the BMC monster cross 
> and road bikes to the Riv frames. Is the Monstercross similar to the Sam 
> and Road to the Roadini?  I always appreciate reading your perspective. I 
> think I remember reading you had two BMC Road Bikes. 

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[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

[John Bokman]

I expect you'll love the Sam. I had a Sam (2009) that was, what I 
considered, too large for me (a 60cm frame). Even though I was just long of 
leg enough for the 60cm frame, with my 89 PBH, I felt too stretched out on 
the long top tube. I could have chosen the (then) 56cm frame. Wish I had 
done that. In retrospect, it would have been perfect. After 7 years on the 
bike, I took off the parts and got a (new school) 58cm Sam. I absolutely 
love it, and it's the ride I always wanted from the original but never got. 
I'm right in the middle of the size range. It's one of the best fitting 
bikes I've ever ridden. I load Sam to the hilt, and it's great for that. I 
ride it unladen, and it's great for that, too. It's always carrying racks, 
front and rear (Tubus Logo Evo and Tara, respectively, and a Nitto mini 
front, always with a Ocean Air Docena front bag). It's a splendid ride. 
Once you get a Riv that really, truly fits, it's bliss.

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 10:09:10 AM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Well, decision made here - a 58cm black/cream Sam frame is somewhere, most 
> likely bobbing on the ocean, making its way to me.  The decision really 
> hinged, not only on the good advice and info from people, but really on the 
> question of sizing.  If my ~89cm PBH fit squarely in the middle of the 
> recommended sizes/PBH's for the Roadini I might have gone that way.  That 
> said, and it's been said before, a bike that fits well is a wonderful 
> thing, the most important thing, and I have complete confidence the 58cm 
> Sam will fit me perfectly, both in size and for the riding I do.  I also 
> have a few more parts laying around for the Sam build versus the Roadini.
>
> The only problem is I somewhat justified the new frame by thinking I had 
> the discipline to part out my Cheviot, using the wheels and such for the 
> Sam, and, somewhat predictably, I don't think I can do it!  The Cheviot is 
> just too nice, too special...  So the future-Sam will attract its parts 
> from a different bike, from the stash, from wherever needed or what appears.
>
> Anyway, I agree with almost all of the statements and observations stated! 
>  I do think the Roadini is a cool frame and could be built as almost 
> anything.  But, at least around here, using the gravel roads when exploring 
> is almost a given.  The good (paved) bike roads are many times best tied 
> together with the gravel farm roads so there was that.  And I never could 
> get completely confident with the Roadini sizing for me - and I admit I 
> could very well be wrong on that.  Still, in my particular situation, the 
> Sam won out and I am excited!  
>
> Best to all and here's to great rides and adventures in the new year,
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
> On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 9:59:22 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Don’t get me wrong. I agree that a Roadini with 28mm tires, fenders, 
>> dynamo lighting, front low rider panniers and a not-huge saddlebag could 
>> make an awesome stealth S24O or weekend sport touring rig. I have no doubt 
>> I could pull that off. 
>>
>> The OP is in Galesburg. The bike I used to have stashed in a Galesburg 
>> garage was a 1992 RB-1. That was a stripped down racing bike and it was 
>> just dandy. It’s a nice 70-mike out and back to Oquawka, where you can dip 
>> your front wheel in the Mississippi River.  A stripped down race bike is 
>> all you ‘need’ for that. If I wanted to get onto the gravel farm-roads, I’d 
>> want a little more floatation, I think. 
>>
>> It depends on what the OP wants.  Both the Sam and the Roadini are 
>> terrific. It’s easy to underestimate the touring capabilities of a Roadini 
>> and it’s easy to underestimate the pure road bike capability of a Sam. 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay 
>> El Cerrito Ca 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[David Hays]

Never ridden a brevet with it, but I run Hetres EL(42s) on my 56 650B Homer.

> On Dec 28, 2017, at 5:54 PM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jay asked: Lightweight or standard Compass? 
> The extra light are the best tire I’ve ever ridden. Homer fits 38s with 
> fenders.
> 
> John asked about the Atlantis. I’ve ridden with an Atlantis rider in brevets. 
> He rode it on PBP. I’ve heard of others and may well have seen one or two 
> more. I’ve seen a Riv on nearly every brevet ridden. 
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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jay asked: Lightweight or standard Compass? 
The extra light are the best tire I’ve ever ridden. Homer fits 38s with fenders.

John asked about the Atlantis. I’ve ridden with an Atlantis rider in brevets. 
He rode it on PBP. I’ve heard of others and may well have seen one or two more. 
I’ve seen a Riv on nearly every brevet ridden. 

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[RBW] Re: Looking For Some Help

[Kellie]

Don't have a photo of the Big Dummy; here's the Puglsey, each $1500.00




On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 2:33:22 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>
> I'm having serious hip surgery in a few days and will not be able to ride 
> on trail/roads for many months because of the risk of falling. So. if I 
> get a trike I can ride. Therefore, I'm selling a couple of bike to finance 
> a trike. My request is to spread the word these 2 bikes are for sale, and 
> of course, if you're interested that is great.
>
> 1. Surly Pusgley: small, white in excellent condition, <500 miles, Jones 
> Loop bar, IGH Shimano ALFINE 11 for disc brakes. Custom built. Component 
> list on request.
>
> 2.Surly Big Dummy: small, black with the swooped top tube, excellent 
> condition, <200 miles, Jones H bar, Ergon grips, bought new as a complete.
>
> Thanks,
> cowboygrrl
>

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[RBW] Re: Looking For Some Help

[Belopsky]

prices

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[RBW] Re: Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[John Hawrylak]

Jay

The Homer is normal trail so a rear rack would not affect the handling.  It 
adds weight, which you may want to minimize.  However the weight does 
offset some of the front load you mentioned , so it's probably a wash.

You could put a saddlebag on the saddle loops and carry the spare tube and 
any tools and items you have to get off the bike to use.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ.  

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[RBW] Looking For Some Help

[Kellie]

I'm having serious hip surgery in a few days and will not be able to ride 
on trail/roads for many months because of the risk of falling. So. if I 
get a trike I can ride. Therefore, I'm selling a couple of bike to finance 
a trike. My request is to spread the word these 2 bikes are for sale, and 
of course, if you're interested that is great.

1. Surly Pusgley: small, white in excellent condition, <500 miles, Jones 
Loop bar, IGH Shimano ALFINE 11 for disc brakes. Custom built. Component 
list on request.

2.Surly Big Dummy: small, black with the swooped top tube, excellent 
condition, <200 miles, Jones H bar, Ergon grips, bought new as a complete.

Thanks,
cowboygrrl

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[RBW] Re: Several things I saw at Blue Lug

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

*A beautiful Rivendell custom:Blue Lug also runs cafe near their Hatagaya 
Store.I was enjoying coffee there when I noticed there was a beautiful 
custom frame displayed.A canti frame with S couplers. It should be 
ridden, not displayed!*

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 5:07:59 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Which frame are you referring to, Mark?
>
> On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 7:54:14 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your bike shop trips, Takashi. Hopefully if someone 
>> expressed an interest in the bike hanging on the wall, they would sell it. 
>> The Blue Lug Hunqabear sticker is awesome!
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 5:24:32 PM UTC-8, Takashi wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> A beautiful Rivendell custom:
>>> Blue Lug also runs cafe near their Hatagaya Store.
>>> I was enjoying coffee there when I noticed there was a beautiful custom 
>>> frame displayed.
>>> A canti frame with S couplers. It should be ridden, not displayed!
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[John G.]

Not to hijack the thread, but have people used an Atlantis as a brevet bike? I 
have lights, racks (front and rear), and fenders on mine, and Compass 44mm 
tires. 

And yeah, I get that any bike can be a brevet bike. Just curious if folks have 
ridden brevets on their Atlantis.

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[Call Me Jay]

Lightweight or standard Compass?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana Sax Pics?

[Christopher Murray]

I bought the blue Banana Sax bag to go on my Bike Friday. It is is the perfect 
size. I have a xsmall Sackville and this seems much bigger without getting into 
larger sized saddlebags. I’ve had a range of sizes from several brands and 
always come back to a smaller bag. This banana sax might be the ideal. 

As always the quality of the Sackville bag is impressive. 

Thanks for all the responses. 

Cheers!
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I just looked them up again (Yokozuna Motoko brakes) and realized they are 
in fact "road" disc calipers and appear to use short pull levers, not long 
pull/v brake levers.  Didn't realize this initially but thought I'd mention 
it here for clarification.

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 3:38:33 PM UTC-5, Bill M. wrote:
>
> I just set up my first disc-braked bike using these brakes.  Mine  are 
> branded Juin Tech (Yokozuna rebrands the calipers includes a set of their 
> own cables, otherwise the same). 
>
> On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 8:18:23 AM UTC-8, Coal Bee Rye Anne 
> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone here have any experience using the Yokozuna cable actuated 
>> hydraulic disc calipers?  If I understand correctly these have a sealed 
>> hydraulic system contained within the caliper only and use standard long 
>> pull brake cables/levers.  These were mentioned to me by the owner of a 
>> local shop during a visit a few months ago but I have not yet seen them in 
>> person. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Thanks Bill,  The shop owner that first mentioned them to me was 
pretty enthusiastic about 'em during our discussion but since that was last 
winter I cannot now recall whether he had already tried them and was 
pleased with their performance/set-up/etc. or was more excited about trying 
them.

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 3:38:33 PM UTC-5, Bill M. wrote:
>
> I just set up my first disc-braked bike using these brakes.  Mine  are 
> branded Juin Tech (Yokozuna rebrands the calipers includes a set of their 
> own cables, otherwise the same).  They are dead simple to set up and adjust 
> - attach the calipers loosely, install the cable, then tighten the caliper 
> bolts while firmly holding the brake lever to align the caliper to the 
> disc.  Spin the wheel and tighten the adjusting knob until the pads start 
> to contact the disc, then back it off until they don't.  Done.  Further pad 
> adjustments are manual but as simple as can be.  
>
> I have not taken the bike down any significant hills but the lever effort 
> is low and they provide plenty of stopping power.  No complaints there at 
> all.  Far better than any canti's I have owned.
>
> Longevity is still an open question, I have under 200 dry miles on them so 
> far.
>
> Bill
> Stockton, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 8:18:23 AM UTC-8, Coal Bee Rye Anne 
> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone here have any experience using the Yokozuna cable actuated 
>> hydraulic disc calipers?  If I understand correctly these have a sealed 
>> hydraulic system contained within the caliper only and use standard long 
>> pull brake cables/levers.  These were mentioned to me by the owner of a 
>> local shop during a visit a few months ago but I have not yet seen them in 
>> person. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

[Bill M.]

I just set up my first disc-braked bike using these brakes.  Mine  are 
branded Juin Tech (Yokozuna rebrands the calipers includes a set of their 
own cables, otherwise the same).  They are dead simple to set up and adjust 
- attach the calipers loosely, install the cable, then tighten the caliper 
bolts while firmly holding the brake lever to align the caliper to the 
disc.  Spin the wheel and tighten the adjusting knob until the pads start 
to contact the disc, then back it off until they don't.  Done.  Further pad 
adjustments are manual but as simple as can be.  

I have not taken the bike down any significant hills but the lever effort 
is low and they provide plenty of stopping power.  No complaints there at 
all.  Far better than any canti's I have owned.

Longevity is still an open question, I have under 200 dry miles on them so 
far.

Bill
Stockton, CA

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 8:18:23 AM UTC-8, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
> Anyone here have any experience using the Yokozuna cable actuated 
> hydraulic disc calipers?  If I understand correctly these have a sealed 
> hydraulic system contained within the caliper only and use standard long 
> pull brake cables/levers.  These were mentioned to me by the owner of a 
> local shop during a visit a few months ago but I have not yet seen them in 
> person. 
>

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’ve ridden 2 full brevet series on my Homer. Fenders, Nitto front rack, 
Berthoud handlebar bag, no rear rack. I put the rear rack on for a tour this 
summer. I can’t imagine that you would see much improvement by removing it. I 
have a different rando bike now (although here yet to ride one on it) but if I 
had to use the Homer on a brevet, I’d leave the rack on. BUT...you would not 
regret switching to Compass tires if you haven’t yet done so. That will make a 
huge difference...

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto dirt drop stem 10cm, Rat Trap Passes & odd sized classy seat posts

[ant ritchey]

Howdy folks,

The stem- Yes I do have one of these in my personal stash, of course. But! 
Building a dirt tourer up for my best bud and need one of these. 10cm 
extension only; gotta get them Portolas up high!
The tires- RTP's in decent to good condition, gumwall/standard 
casing/tubeless compatible only. Longshot here, but who knows? I'm lucky to 
have Norther a mile away where these things are perpetually in stock.
The posts- looking for 2 sizes, 26.2 (ol' Stumpy) & 26.8 ('85 Trek 850). I 
love the Dajia's that VO (& Norther) carries; Maybe you've got one or 
something similar? Can't be scratched up, should be on the longer side & 
PRETTY. 

Lemme know if you've got something you're interested in unloading. Rarely 
see these in the "used FS" dept. for good reason; figured I'd try here 
quick before putting the order in to Riv & my LBS.

Thanks!

Ant Ritchey / PDX

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Re: [RBW] Re: External bearing? Pah! Isis? Sheesh! Square taper? Pooh!

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Seeing as how I’m in the top 1% (yeah, right) I think I know where that sweet 
tax cut money will be going. “Bartender, a round of $54 seat lug bolts for the 
house!”

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[Call Me Jay]

With or without a rear rack?

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[lum gim fong]

I've seen brevetteers with Sam,  San Marco's Blariant Rambo Quickbeam your name 
it.

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[lum gim fong]

 I saw seasoned randonneurs with front rack's dino lights and front bags 
fenders full dresser steel bikes  with wide tires who have done 1000 K rides 
with those set ups so I think you'll be fine. 

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[Call Me Jay]

After three years of ownership, I’m going to tackle a few “shorter” brevets on 
my Homer this Spring.  I typically a have the Nitto/Rivendell rack on the back 
for commuting with panniers.  I also have a Nitto front rack and a rando bag.  
Should I ditch the rack for 100k, 200k and (maybe) 300k events?  

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[RBW] WTB: Quickbeam/SimpleOne size 56cm

[Tully Lanter]

Title about says it all! Finally unloaded my seldom-ridden mountain bike, 
and am itching to get back on a single-speed.

I'd strongly prefer a Quickbeam/SimpleOne if anybody is looking to move a 
complete 56, but non-Riv options with roughly comparable geometry would be 
all right by me. Not sure how feasible, but I'd like to stay well under $1k 
shipped (to 98052)...with some flexibility if needed.

Best,

Tully

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Re: [RBW] A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

[Jeff Lesperance]

My "primary" all-things/touring bike was formerly an LHT (actually two, I
started on a 56cm and traded to a 58cm), which I replaced with a Sam
Hillborne, which I replaced with an All City Space Horse Disc. During the
Sam Hillborne days, I brought an AHH into the bike stable.

1. The LHT was a fantastic touring bike that handled well with medium or
heavy rear loads, medium or heavy rear loads and medium to heavy front
loads, and did not handle well with front loads only. I thought the LHT
handled well as an unloaded or lightly loaded every-day commuter and
weekend adventurer, but I didn't know what I didn't know... until I rode my
Sam Hillborne.

2. The Sam Hillborne handled similarly to the LHT with rear loads and rear
+ front loads, but also managed to ride fairly well with light to moderate
front loads only (though this has never been my style for carrying stuff),
and performed significantly better, IMHO, than the LHT when unloaded or
lightly loaded. I'm 6' tall and float around 215 lbs, which to me says I
have enough weight and oomph to awaken stouter frames, and not all folks
will have the same experience with the Sam. I thought the Sam would suit me
for spirited unladen rides, until I rode the AHH.

3. The AHH handled medium/medium-heavy loads on the rear or light/medium
loads on the front, or a combination of the two, but as weight crept up
into touring load range. it took a bit of getting used to managing what
initially felt like a bit of confidence-busting squirrely handling. My
experience with heavy tour-like loads on a variety of bikes, is that
regardless of how odd they may initially feel vs. everyday riding, I can
sync up with the nuances fairly quickly. The AHH outshined the LHT and Sam
for lightly loaded or unladen spirited riding, over an array of road and
road-like surfaces. I decided to sell my AHH because it was arguably a
touch small for me, and I was in pursuit of simplifying my bike stable,
looking for one or very few bikes to rule them all.

I would not put the LHT in the same category as the AHH. I think the LHT is
more comparable to the Atlantis. If you're interested in carrying light to
medium loads (which IMHO your 10-15 lbs. commuting load falls into), on the
front or rear of your bike, on the road or non-technical mixed terrain, and
it suits your budget, I think the AHH is a superior choice. If you think
you may want to carry larger loads more regularly, I think you'd still find
improvement in ride quality over the LHT in looking at the Sam Hillborne or
Joe Appaloosa.

FWIW, I think the only bike that I felt like I sync'ed up with immediately
was my Sam Hillborne, and I own or have owned other Riv bikes - the
aforementioned AHH, a Romulus and a Rosco Bubbe v2 and I've spent time on a
borrowed Bombadill for a handful of weeks.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD


On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Drew Henson  wrote:

> Are there any surly LHT owners that also have an A Homer Hilsen? I'm
> curious how the ride really differs, in practical terms.  I currently own
> an LHT and it's been a great bike, but it's "too much" bike for me.  I'm
> looking for something that would be snappier than the LHT but still able to
> carry a 10-15 lb commuting load.  I've liked to looks of an AHH for a long
> time but am concerned that I'd be trading one heavy steel bike for another,
> without much difference in the ride when it comes down to it.
>
> Then there's the AHH vs Sam Hilborne debate I guess, which Rivendell
> brought up themselves when I emailed asking about AHH availability..  So if
> you've owned a Sam and an LHT I'd be interested in your experience as well.
>
> I've browsed this use group a bunch but this is my first post, so thanks
> in advance for any info!
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[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Well, decision made here - a 58cm black/cream Sam frame is somewhere, most 
likely bobbing on the ocean, making its way to me.  The decision really 
hinged, not only on the good advice and info from people, but really on the 
question of sizing.  If my ~89cm PBH fit squarely in the middle of the 
recommended sizes/PBH's for the Roadini I might have gone that way.  That 
said, and it's been said before, a bike that fits well is a wonderful 
thing, the most important thing, and I have complete confidence the 58cm 
Sam will fit me perfectly, both in size and for the riding I do.  I also 
have a few more parts laying around for the Sam build versus the Roadini.

The only problem is I somewhat justified the new frame by thinking I had 
the discipline to part out my Cheviot, using the wheels and such for the 
Sam, and, somewhat predictably, I don't think I can do it!  The Cheviot is 
just too nice, too special...  So the future-Sam will attract its parts 
from a different bike, from the stash, from wherever needed or what appears.

Anyway, I agree with almost all of the statements and observations stated! 
 I do think the Roadini is a cool frame and could be built as almost 
anything.  But, at least around here, using the gravel roads when exploring 
is almost a given.  The good (paved) bike roads are many times best tied 
together with the gravel farm roads so there was that.  And I never could 
get completely confident with the Roadini sizing for me - and I admit I 
could very well be wrong on that.  Still, in my particular situation, the 
Sam won out and I am excited!  

Best to all and here's to great rides and adventures in the new year,

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 9:59:22 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Don’t get me wrong. I agree that a Roadini with 28mm tires, fenders, 
> dynamo lighting, front low rider panniers and a not-huge saddlebag could 
> make an awesome stealth S24O or weekend sport touring rig. I have no doubt 
> I could pull that off. 
>
> The OP is in Galesburg. The bike I used to have stashed in a Galesburg 
> garage was a 1992 RB-1. That was a stripped down racing bike and it was 
> just dandy. It’s a nice 70-mike out and back to Oquawka, where you can dip 
> your front wheel in the Mississippi River.  A stripped down race bike is 
> all you ‘need’ for that. If I wanted to get onto the gravel farm-roads, I’d 
> want a little more floatation, I think. 
>
> It depends on what the OP wants.  Both the Sam and the Roadini are 
> terrific. It’s easy to underestimate the touring capabilities of a Roadini 
> and it’s easy to underestimate the pure road bike capability of a Sam. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca 
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Re: [RBW] FS: 56 cm Sam Hillborne frameset w/ Paul brakes

[Conway Bennett]

Bump.  How's $750 for f/f/hs/bb + bike flights shipping?

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[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

[Jonathan D.]

Bill - As a fan of BMC bikes how would you compare the BMC monster cross and 
road bikes to the Riv frames. Is the Monstercross similar to the Sam and Road 
to the Roadini?  I always appreciate reading your perspective. I think I 
remember reading you had two BMC Road Bikes. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Anyone here have any experience using the Yokozuna cable actuated hydraulic 
disc calipers?  If I understand correctly these have a sealed hydraulic 
system contained within the caliper only and use standard long pull brake 
cables/levers.  These were mentioned to me by the owner of a local shop 
during a visit a few months ago but I have not yet seen them in person.  

I have limited disc experience having only used old Hayes HMX-1 discs that 
came stock on my wife's old Giant Sedona and BB7's that I used as 
replacements on the same bike.  I also briefly used the same BB7 on a Big 
Dummy fork on an old hand-me-down hardtail to rigid conversion project.  

Fortunately, I never had wheel removal/install issues with either but The 
Hayes HMX were nearly impossible to adjust and quite heavy calipers so I 
just ditched 'em when pads wore out.  They did not present excessive rotor 
rubbing (as far as I recall.)

The BB7 was "easy enough" to set up and adjust and I came to appreciate the 
Torx bolt on the adjustment knob which was lacking on the Hayes HMX... but 
I did find the BB7 rubbed often during my brief usage and found it 
challenging to locate the sweet spot for the best compromise between rotor 
rub and lever modulation.  Maybe I'll need to try Patrick's trick of 
partially engaging the lever arm before tightening the pinch bolt... not 
sure if I ever tried that.  It is also possible the rotor was slightly out 
of true but never obsessed over it knowing the build was not in my long 
term plans anyway.

The Sedona has seen very little mileage since I replaced the brakes using 
this same BB7 caliper and a newer BB7S (upgraded stainless version and I 
was curious to compare them) but I'll be observing closely next time my 
wife takes it out.

Having previously considered simplifying my bike life to a reduced number 
of bikes/frames I've been tempted by the Black Mountain Monstercross 64cm 
as an affordable option to replace a few different bikes. After checking 
the BMC site recently for updates on the incoming batch of Monstercross 
Canti (MCC) frames I discovered the pending release of a newly designed BMC 
Monstercross Disc (MCD) which now has me tempted to go the disc route.  
This will appear to have through axles which is new territory for me but 
with the need for a wheelset for the 130mm spaced canti version anyway I'm 
now considering the disc version which has a few other details I'd like; 
extra set of water bottle bosses on downtube on the larger sizes, upper 
fork mounts for mini front rack (that would allow me to use my Nitto 32f 
without band clamps) increased stand over clearance with more sloping top 
tube which may be appreciated when exploring off road.

It seems somewhat silly to be pushed to consider disc over a few bottle 
bosses and rack mounts but any new frame acquisition will need to be 
thoroughly justifiabke for me to pursue it at this time and the disc is 
becoming just as appealing.  Although either would likely fit my needs, 
if my goal is to really downsize and simplify a dedicated thru axle 
wheelset may not be such a problem after all.

I was initially brainstorming ways to gain more cross compatibility of a 
reduced number of frames with matching wheels that could be swapped 
around.  The 130 spaced MCC checks many boxes for me EXCEPT cross 
compatibility of rear wheel with my 135 spaced Clem so that aspect is ruled 
out anyway and makes me consider the disc option a little bit more.

The ease of adjustability and future parts replacement of Paul Klampers is 
appealing, as is the concept of the Yokozuna cable actuated hydraulics.  
Haven't compared pricing of these or other cable disc options yet but all 
should work with levers I already own (Tektro long pull drop bar levers) so 
my investment would at least be limited to calipers/rotors (aside from the 
already anticipated wheels/frame.)

Lots to consider and this thread doesn't seem to be helping, lol.

William!, have you previously posted a pic of the Disclantis/Atlantisc?  

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ
 


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[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

[Bill Lindsay]

Don’t get me wrong. I agree that a Roadini with 28mm tires, fenders, dynamo 
lighting, front low rider panniers and a not-huge saddlebag could make an 
awesome stealth S24O or weekend sport touring rig. I have no doubt I could pull 
that off. 

The OP is in Galesburg. The bike I used to have stashed in a Galesburg garage 
was a 1992 RB-1. That was a stripped down racing bike and it was just dandy. 
It’s a nice 70-mike out and back to Oquawka, where you can dip your front wheel 
in the Mississippi River.  A stripped down race bike is all you ‘need’ for 
that. If I wanted to get onto the gravel farm-roads, I’d want a little more 
floatation, I think. 

It depends on what the OP wants.  Both the Sam and the Roadini are terrific. 
It’s easy to underestimate the touring capabilities of a Roadini and it’s easy 
to underestimate the pure road bike capability of a Sam. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: Several things I saw at Blue Lug

[RichS]

Thanks for your post Takashi. Exciting bikes! The Frank Jones is gorgeous 
(lucky you Igor!) and I'm lusting after the Rivish Toei.

Regards,
Richard 

On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 8:24:32 PM UTC-5, Takashi wrote:
>
> Last weekend I visited Blue Lug (a Riv dealer store in Tokyo), and saw 
> several things that might be of interest to people here.
>
> Frank Jones frames:
> Blue Lug has 3 stores, and I saw them in Kamiuma Store. I believe there 
> are also FJ frames in other 2 stores, but I'm not sure.
> Shop staff said the frames arrived last Saturday, and they have to inspect 
> frames to make sure there's no flaw, so building the bikes and handing them 
> to customers will be in January.
>
>   
>
>
> A beautiful Rivendell custom:
> Blue Lug also runs cafe near their Hatagaya Store.
> I was enjoying coffee there when I noticed there was a beautiful custom 
> frame displayed.
> A canti frame with S couplers. It should be ridden, not displayed!
>
>
>
> Another custom:
> This one is displayed in their Kamiuma Store. Looks like a road-ish frame.
> Staff told me that two custom frames are owned by a customer and are kept 
> by Blue Lug temporarily.
>
>
>
> A Rivvified Toei:
> A beautiful Toei bike with tons of add-ons, resembling Grant's bikes.
> Most Toei owners ride their bikes "clean-and-elegant" style, but the owner 
> of this bike was inspired by Rivendell bikes he saw and made his bike like 
> this.
> Grip King pedals, Boscomoose bars, basket...
> I can easily imagine other Toei owners sneering at this, but I personally 
> think it's great that the owner built a bike in a way that works best for 
> him.
>
>
>
> Hunqasticker:
> Buy some things at Blue Lug, and they will give you a couple of stickers.
> This one obviously is a Hunqapillar.
>
>
>
> Wish you all a happy new year!
> Takashi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: External bearing? Pah! Isis? Sheesh! Square taper? Pooh!

[Belopsky]

Well, if Richard Sachs is involved, we know it will be expensive 
http://www.richardsachs.com/site/2017/11/10/richard-sachs-seat-lug-survival-kit/

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[RBW] A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

[Joe Bernard]

I've owned an AHH and it's definitely in the "light road bike" category. I've 
never ridden an LHT but it has a reputation for being a heavy, stiff ride very 
much designed for touring loads. Hilsen is a lighter, thinner-tubed, lugged 
all-road..you'll love it.   

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Drew,
I have a lot miles on Homer and Hunqapillar. Both set up with 
racks/baskets. 

Hunqapillar was more stable feeling with higher loads-- grocery pickups, 
etc., were no-big-deal. Homer did fine for similar loads, but certainly did 
not ride as well as Hunqapillar. My commuting load is occasionally 10-15 
lbs with a mail-package drop off, or beer pick up. Homer is great for that, 
and I don't notice any negative change in handling.

Homer is a faster bike. In my ~7-mile commutes (over many iterations), 
Homer was 10% faster or maybe more. I haven't ridden LHT, but I have a 
CrossCheck. Homer is a much nicer ride and can carry loads better than 
CrossCheck.

Both Homer and Hunqapillar are super versatile: from trails to roads, all 
sorts of handlebar configurations.

Good luck!
shoji
  

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 8:02:03 AM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:
>
> I own a Hillborne and a Homer Hilsen, and used to own a LHT which I 
> replaced with a V-O Campeur for heavier touring.  The Hillborne, LHT, and 
> Campeur all ride like I expect a touring bike to ride, and ride similarly. 
>  I know the Hillborne and Campeur do, and I know the Campeur and LHT do, 
> 'cause I compared them head-to-head.  The Hilsen feels sportier then the 
> Hillborne, Campeur, and LHT.  All 4 bikes were set up similarly except the 
> touring bikes had racks and the Hilsen didn't, so I think the difference is 
> in the frames and not in differences between builds.  
>
> Whether the Hilsen would feel as sporty with a 15-pound load on it, I 
> don't know.  Last tour I took was on the Hillborne with an 18-20 lb load in 
> back and a 4-lb load in front, and it rode very nicely.  If I were gonna 
> carry that kind of load routinely I'd opt for the Hillborne or the Campeur, 
> but with only several pounds of load I'd opt for the Hilsen 'cause it's a 
> bit more spritely and fun.  They're also less expensive and are available 
> now, if that matters.  
>
> As far as your concern that concerned that you'd "be trading one heavy 
> steel bike for another," I don't think so.   
>
> On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 1:36:07 AM UTC-5, Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>> I currently own an LHT and it's been a great bike, but it's "too much" 
>> bike for me.  I'm looking for something that would be snappier than the LHT 
>> but still able to carry a 10-15 lb commuting load.  I've liked to looks of 
>> an AHH for a long time but am concerned that I'd be trading one heavy steel 
>> bike for another, without much difference in the ride when it comes down to 
>> it. 
>>
>> Then there's the AHH vs Sam Hilborne debate I guess, which Rivendell 
>> brought up themselves when I emailed asking about AHH availability..  So if 
>> you've owned a Sam and an LHT I'd be interested in your experience as well.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 60cm Ram on SF CL

[Julian Westerhout]

Philip, 

Impressive misspelling of both brand on model on CL poster's part. 
Impressive Craigslist-fu on your part to find it. Nice bike. 

:) 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 



On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 7:52:12 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Public Service Announcement. This isn't my listing, but I thought someone 
> might be interested. No relation to the seller, etc.  
>
> This is a blue 60cm Rivendell Rambouillet, but it might be hard to find, 
> since it's listed as a Rivendale Rambovillet.
> The seller is asking $1500 for the complete bike, which is in Loomis, 
> north of Sacramento. 
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/rivendale-rambovillet/6428687431.html
>
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: External bearing? Pah! Isis? Sheesh! Square taper? Pooh!

[lum gim fong]

.5 miles and the hand pain starts for me on moustache bars.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

[ascpgh]

Those were sintered pads, but I'm not sure if the material would have 
mattered.

I suspect that environmental conditions (rain, winter road glop) the back 
plate had been exposed to initiated corrosion deteriorating the surface to 
which the bond of the pad was adhered. Then I dinged the edge of the pad 
material with the edge of the rotor and off it popped with a "plink". Not 
an "almost-used-up" brake pad, other was less than 25% worn. 

I agree Steve's observation. I didn't carry extra disc pads in my bag 
before that experience and I still don't. It's not a contingency with which 
I am willing to comply and consider it a weakness of the brake format and 
limits the range to which I'm willing to operate a disc brake bike. I've 
had all sorts of one-off problems with rim brakes too, perhaps requiring 
tools for adjustments but never dependent on me having a back up set of 
pads, including riding across the country. It's easier to look at my car's 
brake pads and see enough about their integrity and wear to know if it's 
safe to drive than it is to check out my disc bike's brake pads. Even if I 
look at them, I cannot surmise bonding failure potential with a glance any 
more than warranties,  "highest quality" marketing  can promises. 

I had a brake problem due to a pad on a set of Magura HS-11 hydraulc rim 
brakes. With the brake booster arch, the bike collected mud like nothing 
else. On a trail ride I was bogging up with mud and leaves faster than the 
group and just pushed along until someone else needed to carve mud out of 
their bikes. As I uncovered the brakes I also saw that I was missing a 
brake pad. I sifted the mud I removed, and realized that the pad was long 
gone, unclipped (those brakes don't have a robust connection to the 
pistons) and pushed away by accumulating mud. Never had that happen with 
cable operated rim brakes. 

Andy Cheatham 
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 6:20:14 PM UTC-5, William! wrote:
>
> Yikes! I keep spare pads in my patch kit because it’s hard to watch pad 
> wear so I’m paranoid about wearing a pair out during a ride. Now I have 
> another reason to!
>
> Out of curiosity, what sort of material were the pads? I’ve broken 
> resin-type pads while inserting them before but sintered pads seem to be a 
> bit more durable (and long lasting).
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 2:49 PM ascpgh  
> wrote:
>
>> Uh, I had a simple flat fix turn complicated when I replaced the front 
>> wheel in the fork, missing the gap between the pads in the caliper by a 
>> smidge and shearing the pad's braking material off the backer plate. That's 
>> not a roadside repair unless you carry a replacement pair in your bag. 
>>
>> Short answer was to snag a rear pad out of the caliper to replace the now 
>> toothless front pad and put the padless plate into the rear caliper and 
>> riding home gingerly.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 2:07:53 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>>>
>>> Roadside maintenance easier on rim or disc brakes?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Several things I saw at Blue Lug

[Belopsky]

Which frame are you referring to, Mark?

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 7:54:14 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing your bike shop trips, Takashi. Hopefully if someone 
> expressed an interest in the bike hanging on the wall, they would sell it. 
> The Blue Lug Hunqabear sticker is awesome!
>
> On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 5:24:32 PM UTC-8, Takashi wrote:
>>
>> Last weekend I visited Blue Lug (a Riv dealer store in Tokyo), and saw 
>> several things that might be of interest to people here.
>>
>> Frank Jones frames:
>> Blue Lug has 3 stores, and I saw them in Kamiuma Store. I believe there 
>> are also FJ frames in other 2 stores, but I'm not sure.
>> Shop staff said the frames arrived last Saturday, and they have to 
>> inspect frames to make sure there's no flaw, so building the bikes and 
>> handing them to customers will be in January.
>>
>>   
>>
>>
>> A beautiful Rivendell custom:
>> Blue Lug also runs cafe near their Hatagaya Store.
>> I was enjoying coffee there when I noticed there was a beautiful custom 
>> frame displayed.
>> A canti frame with S couplers. It should be ridden, not displayed!
>>
>>
>>
>> Another custom:
>> This one is displayed in their Kamiuma Store. Looks like a road-ish frame.
>> Staff told me that two custom frames are owned by a customer and are kept 
>> by Blue Lug temporarily.
>>
>>
>>
>> A Rivvified Toei:
>> A beautiful Toei bike with tons of add-ons, resembling Grant's bikes.
>> Most Toei owners ride their bikes "clean-and-elegant" style, but the 
>> owner of this bike was inspired by Rivendell bikes he saw and made his bike 
>> like this.
>> Grip King pedals, Boscomoose bars, basket...
>> I can easily imagine other Toei owners sneering at this, but I personally 
>> think it's great that the owner built a bike in a way that works best for 
>> him.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hunqasticker:
>> Buy some things at Blue Lug, and they will give you a couple of stickers.
>> This one obviously is a Hunqapillar.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wish you all a happy new year!
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

[Dave Small]

I own a Hillborne and a Homer Hilsen, and used to own a LHT which I 
replaced with a V-O Campeur for heavier touring.  The Hillborne, LHT, and 
Campeur all ride like I expect a touring bike to ride, and ride similarly. 
 I know the Hillborne and Campeur do, and I know the Campeur and LHT do, 
'cause I compared them head-to-head.  The Hilsen feels sportier then the 
Hillborne, Campeur, and LHT.  All 4 bikes were set up similarly except the 
touring bikes had racks and the Hilsen didn't, so I think the difference is 
in the frames and not in differences between builds.  

Whether the Hilsen would feel as sporty with a 15-pound load on it, I don't 
know.  Last tour I took was on the Hillborne with an 18-20 lb load in back 
and a 4-lb load in front, and it rode very nicely.  If I were gonna carry 
that kind of load routinely I'd opt for the Hillborne or the Campeur, but 
with only several pounds of load I'd opt for the Hilsen 'cause it's a bit 
more spritely and fun.  They're also less expensive and are available now, 
if that matters.  

As far as your concern that concerned that you'd "be trading one heavy 
steel bike for another," I don't think so.   

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 1:36:07 AM UTC-5, Drew Henson wrote:
>
> I currently own an LHT and it's been a great bike, but it's "too much" 
> bike for me.  I'm looking for something that would be snappier than the LHT 
> but still able to carry a 10-15 lb commuting load.  I've liked to looks of 
> an AHH for a long time but am concerned that I'd be trading one heavy steel 
> bike for another, without much difference in the ride when it comes down to 
> it. 
>
> Then there's the AHH vs Sam Hilborne debate I guess, which Rivendell 
> brought up themselves when I emailed asking about AHH availability..  So if 
> you've owned a Sam and an LHT I'd be interested in your experience as well.
>

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[RBW] Re: Several things I saw at Blue Lug

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for sharing your bike shop trips, Takashi. Hopefully if someone 
expressed an interest in the bike hanging on the wall, they would sell it. 
The Blue Lug Hunqabear sticker is awesome!

On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 5:24:32 PM UTC-8, Takashi wrote:
>
> Last weekend I visited Blue Lug (a Riv dealer store in Tokyo), and saw 
> several things that might be of interest to people here.
>
> Frank Jones frames:
> Blue Lug has 3 stores, and I saw them in Kamiuma Store. I believe there 
> are also FJ frames in other 2 stores, but I'm not sure.
> Shop staff said the frames arrived last Saturday, and they have to inspect 
> frames to make sure there's no flaw, so building the bikes and handing them 
> to customers will be in January.
>
>   
>
>
> A beautiful Rivendell custom:
> Blue Lug also runs cafe near their Hatagaya Store.
> I was enjoying coffee there when I noticed there was a beautiful custom 
> frame displayed.
> A canti frame with S couplers. It should be ridden, not displayed!
>
>
>
> Another custom:
> This one is displayed in their Kamiuma Store. Looks like a road-ish frame.
> Staff told me that two custom frames are owned by a customer and are kept 
> by Blue Lug temporarily.
>
>
>
> A Rivvified Toei:
> A beautiful Toei bike with tons of add-ons, resembling Grant's bikes.
> Most Toei owners ride their bikes "clean-and-elegant" style, but the owner 
> of this bike was inspired by Rivendell bikes he saw and made his bike like 
> this.
> Grip King pedals, Boscomoose bars, basket...
> I can easily imagine other Toei owners sneering at this, but I personally 
> think it's great that the owner built a bike in a way that works best for 
> him.
>
>
>
> Hunqasticker:
> Buy some things at Blue Lug, and they will give you a couple of stickers.
> This one obviously is a Hunqapillar.
>
>
>
> Wish you all a happy new year!
> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Several things I saw at Blue Lug

[Belopsky]

Ill call these 'spy shots' of the Frank Jones.

Look nice. Those appear to be the smallest sized ones. I'm excited for 
mine, that blue looks nice

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[RBW] A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

[Deacon Patrick]

Drew,

Of course you’ll notice a difference. Next question? Grin.

The only way to answer your question is to ride an AHH and/or Sam, be that as a 
bike you buy or try. There is, however, a reason Surley is called a poor man’s 
Rivendell. There are geometry similarities between some of the Surly lineup and 
Rivendells, especially in the touring area, but differences in tubing, various 
specs, etc make for a big difference in ride feel. Will that difference be 
significant enough for you to be delighted you spend more to get a Sam or AHH? 
That is a querry only you can answer. May I suggest saying where you live and 
asking if anyone has a Riv in your PBH range near you you could try?

With abandon,
Patrick

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