Re: [RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[Lum Gim Fong]

26cm bb with 170mm cranks and you are good to go from my ecperience with 
Rambouillet 650b conversion. Took 650x42 at 45psi to get bb that high.

A 650b 53 Bleriot is 26cm bb to grnd too with 38mm tires at 45psi.

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Joe Bernard]

"menu item"

HA! I took a short dirt detour at Stafford Lake in Novato today (on the 
Cheviot) and encountered a bobcat. He was a lot bigger than my cat so I decided 
it was time to turn around...

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Ray Varella]

Don’t overthink it Joe,
I wear ankle high moccasins for at least 90% of my working, walking, hiking and 
daily footwear. 
On a several hour hike in Big Sur, on super steep trails, the two girls I was 
with were wearing flip flops. 

Just watch out for poison oak, rattlesnakes and anything big enough to view you 
as a menu item. 

Ray

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[RBW] Re: Elongating a chain question.

[Ray Varella]

Chains are consumables and wear out as fast or faster than tires. 
I buy at least 5-10 at a time. I started doing this when sedisport chains were 
$5 a pop. 
Adjusted for inflation, decent chains are still pretty reasonable and they are 
a fraction of the cost of chainrings and cogs. 

Ray

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[RBW] Re: Feeling the Rivets

[Ray Varella]

That’s an A+ response if there ever was one @Dave. 

I wonder if different breeds of cattle produce varying degrees of supple 
leather. 
It’s possible that as cattle have been line bred for higher butterfat 
production or better marbling in steaks, the stiffness of the hides may have 
inadvedently become softer. 

Concentrating genes through line breeding creates more consistency but in doing 
so, the desired qualities as well as undesired qualities will become set.  

Ray “ruminating” Varella

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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[RichS]

Les,

That’s a good one: Buick Electra 225 ride! From now on my Atlantis rides like 
an Electra 225:-)

We only owned a LeSabre. The Electra was more upscale.

Regards,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Paul Mini Motos and Technomic 60mm

[Eric Karnes]

Also looking for a Technomic stem 60mm 25.4 clamp. Thanks!

Eric

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 8:39:48 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Evening fellow listers-
>
> Anyone have a pair of Paul Mini Moto brakes in black they are looking to 
> unload? If so, I'm your man!
>
> Eric
>

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Jim M.]

If you're of a certain age, and haven't hiked in a while, the first hike 
may make you aware of a bunch of muscles you didn't know you had, even if 
you're in good bike shape. A lot of clauses in that sentence, but I think 
you get my drift.

happy trails.
jim m
walnut creek, ca

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 2:35:13 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> What's funny after all this input - which I appreciate - is it looks like 
> I'm already using my walking/hiking gear on my bike. Well ok then!

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Re: [RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[R Shannon]

Bruce,

Interesting your Riv Road Standard works with 650b wheels. Low bb and no pedal 
strike? Maybe the 38 size tires compensate?

Thank you very much,
Richard

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> On May 3, 2018, at 10:45 PM, Fullylugged  wrote:
> 
> From MOJO's post
> "The Road Standard has a unique quality that is indescribable. It disappears 
> underneath me. It accelerates well, carries light loads well, handles 
> superbly, has no toe overlap. I attribute this to Grant's design for my body 
> and riding style. It is my only bike with caliper brakes. The Road Standard 
> is my favorite Rivendell bike."
> 
> I had and sold a Saluki, and still have a Rambouillet to go with my 95 Road 
> (a pre-production sample actually, with level top tube and different 
> dropouts. Same lugs and tubes) I agree that the Road has a super ride and 
> feel. The Reynolds 753, low BB, long stays and Waterford steering all add up 
> to a great ride. Mine is a 650B conversion that I did to fit 38s which add to 
> the ride quality. It is my favorite,  The Ram is a lovely bike and great ride 
> too. It's not as lively as the Road and handles more neutrally. The Saluki 
> was like this also.  I am liking the Ram more these days with upside down 
> mustache bars and an upright posture. It was always nice, now nicer.
> 
> But I vote for the Road.  I like GP's early designs, through Glorius & 
> Wilbury best.
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[RBW] WTB: Paul Mini Moto Black

[Eric Karnes]

Evening fellow listers-

Anyone have a pair of Paul Mini Moto brakes in black they are looking to 
unload? If so, I'm your man!

Eric

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[RBW] New Journal Entry up at Analog Cycles: Disconnecting to get connected: A Journey in Satchidananda

[Bill Eberle in Columbus, Ohio]

Sounds like this will be an easeful, peaceful, and useful enterprise. As the 
other Yogi said, "when you come to a fork in the road, take it". It seems you 
took the correct one.

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[RBW] Re: MTBubbe Update

[Paul Clifton]

I'm a little sketched out trying to run tubeless on the Atlas rim. Should I 
be? Maybe I'll try it. Is the advantage of a narrower tire in back just 
rolling resistance? I really need traction going up the short steep rocky 
uphills, and I've never been interested in going as fast as possible or 
expending as little energy as possible. So I settled on fat and soft. But 
I'm open to trying different combos and seeing if it makes any difference.

The trails are in Sykes Park in East Point. Official opening is in early 
June, I think. The park has one road that is a loop, and there are trails 
visible from the road on either side. Trail access is from various parking 
areas along the road. This is the only map I've found: 
http://sorbaatlanta.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/RideFly-BikeParkTrails-Proposal-V1-4-1.jpg


On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 5:10:39 PM UTC-4, George Rosselle wrote:
>
> I have boscomoose bars on my old Fat Chance that I keep in FL, and I find 
> them good for road rides and doubletrack, but not so good for singletrack, 
> particularly when it is a tight twisty trail, like many around Atlanta. You 
> will be happier with something that does not come back as far, maybe a bit 
> more straight. And you will find the 2.35 tire will be better on the front, 
> it will give you a bit of cush. Get a 2.1 for the back, Notubes was blowing 
> out their 2.1 for $20, if you can set it up tubless you will be happy on 
> the trail and the street. A little slip on the back on a trail is not bad, 
> and tubeless will give you more cush and better traction if you run it with 
> lower psi.
>
> Where do you access the new trail? I also live in the Atlanta area, and 
> enjoy trying new trails. I am out on the east side, near Harbins and 
> Tribble Mill and Fort Yargo trails.
>
> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-4, Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>> A lot happened over the last 8 months or so, so I've been pretty content 
>> riding my MTBubbe when I got the chance, rather than working on it, so 
>> until last week, the bars were way to high and close.
>>
>> But a couple weeks ago, I found out that the local MTB group, 
>> www.sorbaatlanta.org, was just about done building a few miles of single 
>> track in a park less than a mile from my house. So I had to go check it 
>> out. Here's how the bike looked the first time I went:
>> [image: image.jpeg]
>>
>> Bars too high and too close, 1.8" semi-slick Gravel Kings. It turns out 
>> the trail is an awesome mix of flow, with bumps and berms and jumps and 
>> stuff, with some technical climbing, and some fast straight downhill. This 
>> photo is probably the flattest part of the trail. I definitely lost 
>> traction in some spots, especially on climbs. The bike still felt great, 
>> but it was really time to swap the stem, at least.
>>
>> I also borrowed an old 2.35" wide tire from a friend of mine to do a test 
>> fit, and ended up with a mullet bike:
>> [image: image.jpeg]
>>
>> Business in the front. Party in the back! I did a couple laps in my 
>> backyard to test out the tire, and decided I should go ahead and try out 
>> the MTBubbe as a mountain bike. So I got a pair of Neo Motos and headed to 
>> the trail last night.
>> [image: image.jpeg]
>>
>> Holy cow. I'm beat today. The trail is basically along either side of a 
>> drainage wash that goes into a fairly big creek (a tributary of Camp Creek 
>> for you Civil War buffs), so there is not a single flat spot. There is an 
>> inner loop and an outer loop. I did both loops twice. So maybe 5 or 6 
>> miles. I'll take some pictures of the trail next time I go, but I was 
>> having too much fun riding and just grabbed a quick photo at the end of the 
>> ride.
>>
>> The tires are a huge improvement! So is the stem. I've learned a lot 
>> already, riding these trails.
>>
>> 1. The Albatross bars are comfy on the trail and give plenty of control, 
>> but they're a little impractical. They bump my knees in tight turns. I've 
>> got a Jitensha bar and some rapid fire shifters that I'm going to try out 
>> when I get a 26.0 clamp stem. I'm really hoping to try out that new curvy 
>> bar that's been rumored around here.
>>
>> 2. Use the front brake, man. I usually use both brakes together, but on 
>> the dirt, the back tire skids so easily that it's better to just not use it 
>> most of the time. I headed into a steep downhill section a little too fast, 
>> and had to almost lock down the front wheel to get through it. If I'd 
>> locked up the back wheel, I would've been in trouble. These Avid v-brakes 
>> are amazing though! They always seem to have a little more power to give. 
>> Front braking also makes bermed corners more fun and flowy.
>>
>> 3. Nobbies make a difference on dirt, at least for me. I read a good bit 
>> about tread before buying these tires. I'm not sure I came to any 
>> conclusions. The Neo Motos seemed good, and as seems to be the case with 
>> Panaracer, they were a good price too. I can definitely

[RBW] Re: Cheviot fat tires

[Joe Bernard]

Oh that's right, you have the cream tires..very cool. I went with WTB Byway 650 
x 47 with the bit of knobbies on the sides. I think they'll fit and I think the 
tan sidewall ones look sweet. 

Hey, you two-speeded it!

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTBubbe Update

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks for the tip. Torque-ing didn't work. I have a couple 2 bolt posts, 
but they aren't the right diameter. I'll see what I can come up with. I 
kinda like the look of the Thomson angled posts. I might even try one in 
black if I can find it for the right price. The S65 doesn't even have any 
knurling to keep it from tipping back. Seems like it should.

It's fun rediscovering mountain biking around here. Finally having a bike 
that can handle it with just a tire swap will make that easier to do.

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 4:53:00 PM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Congrats on the bike!  Glad you're giving it a chance to show its "burly" 
> side.
>
> You can try torque-ing down the saddle clamp bolt to prevent it from 
> shifting.
>
> But, any two-bolt seatpost will clamp more securely than the Nitto S65 
> Crystal Fellow (or clone) you're using.  
> The Nitto S83 or lugged S84 are the Riv-supplied solutions.  I also see 
> two-bolt posts in silver from Ritchey, Deda, and others.  
> I like the clamp head on Thomson posts, but they only come in straight 
> (not enough setback with a Brooks) or angled (proper setback, weird 
> looks).  Soma's Zero post has the same problem (lack of setback).
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Paul Clifton  > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Any suggestions for a seat post that will keep my saddle from tilting 
>>> back when I bounce around on it?
>>>
>>> Paul in ATL
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[tc]

>
> Eric said:  "...Plenty of riders can ride as fast as they like on any 
> terrain without suspension--look at Jones's bikes."
>

That's great for them.  Notice what I said is:  "Many of us have 
singletrack options that require some squish to be able to run at a decent 
speed that makes it fun and worthwhile and not rattling your teeth and 
bones."   So, to each his own.  I'm confident that shocks will be around 
for many years to come because they were invented for a reason, and that 
reason makes sense to many people and enables them to enjoy what they could 
not otherwise.

Jones bikes look great.  Never rode one.  Many, many more shocked bikes out 
there compared to Jones.  Including sus-corrected ones that give folks an 
option, which was my point.

Regardless, looking fwd to whatever it is Riv has come up with!

Tom


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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Patrick Moore]

Funny. I took a nice 21-mile, mostly (2/3 to 3/4) dirt ride along our
acequia roads and paths on the Matthews this afternoon, and spent more than
a few meditative minutes gazing dreamily down at the front caliper, with
rotor skimming through it smoothly, noting the "light" gap on either side
of the rotor, as it rotated. (Perhaps you need NM light to see this sort of
detail in crisp definition.)

But I was mentally congratulating myself about the almost-utter
problem-free nature of my Road BB7s; and these are not even the lastest and
greatest among disk brakes. I ride in a lot of dust and sand, and the
brakes do squeal if they are dusty; if I get them wet after they have
gotten dusty, they will very, *very* gently rub ("whisk-whisk-whisk") until
they dry. But for 98/100 of whatever units of use you choose, they are as
forgettable as single pivot calipers, if not more so. (I've just been
futzing with centering my nice, old Dura Ace single pivots on another bike
-- and those squeal in cold weather despite all kinds of intevention.)

And, that squeal? That signifies to me that the pads are wearing down the
rotors, and not my precious rims.

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:56 PM, James Warren 
wrote:

>
> Not me too
>
> Cantis all the way! Nothing drives me more nuts than disc brakes that make
> noise or rub.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Moore
> Sent: May 4, 2018 3:52 PM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?
>
> Well, at least, if it had disk brakes.
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> ...
>> Personally, I'd add at least 15 points out of 100 to the "buy it *now!*"
>> side of the scale if the bike in question was named "Oliphant."
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[James Warren]

Not me tooCantis all the way! Nothing drives me more nuts than disc brakes that make noise or rub.-Original Message-
From: Patrick Moore 
Sent: May 4, 2018 3:52 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

Well, at least, if it had disk brakes.On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:...Personally, I'd add at least 15 points out of 100 to the "buy it now!" side of the scale if the bike in question was named "Oliphant."




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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[James Warren]

Me too-Original Message-
From: Patrick Moore 
Sent: May 4, 2018 3:51 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

And lest the LOTR/JRRT copyright holders get snarky:https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/oliphantPersonally, I'd add at least 15 points out of 100 to the "buy it now!" side of the scale if the bike in question was named "Oliphant."On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:43 PM, James Warren  wrote:That is perfect. Almost as good as Bombadil, which is still the best ever.-Original Message-
From: Patrick Moore 
Sent: May 4, 2018 7:39 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

Oliphant. Done.




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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Patrick Moore]

Well, at least, if it had disk brakes.

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ...
> Personally, I'd add at least 15 points out of 100 to the "buy it *now!*"
> side of the scale if the bike in question was named "Oliphant."
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Patrick Moore]

And lest the LOTR/JRRT copyright holders get snarky:

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/oliphant

Personally, I'd add at least 15 points out of 100 to the "buy it *now!*"
side of the scale if the bike in question was named "Oliphant."

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:43 PM, James Warren 
wrote:

>
> That is perfect. Almost as good as Bombadil, which is still the best ever.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Moore
> Sent: May 4, 2018 7:39 AM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?
>
> Oliphant. Done.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[James Warren]

That is perfect. Almost as good as Bombadil, which is still the best ever.-Original Message-
From: Patrick Moore 
Sent: May 4, 2018 7:39 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

Oliphant. Done.On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:More hints today! We were all set to name the new mtn bike Elephantus--a rebound name after we'd finally opted out of Hunqapillar to avoid confusion...and it turns out there is an Elephant brand bike, so we gotta just let him be with that. So now it's down to Sir Barney Johnston and H. "Larry" Gomez. Maybe "Sir" Barney Johnston. I don't know how I feel about the quotes. It adds a nice twist, don't you think?I'm guessing plus tires, based on the original Elephantus name.   On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:This might be a stretch, but hey, what's the fun in following a guru if you can't spend hours parsing his words and interpreting them?  I think there might be a hint towards an upcoming trail-oriented Riv (or update to an existing Riv) hidden in this passage from Grant's post yesterday: In mountain bike racing and just riding, it's gone the other way. The early guys were riding unsuitably low-tech bikes, then bikes reached a basic good level of appropriate technology in the late '80s, and now they've borrowed as much as possible—for now—from cars and motorcycles. There are reactions to it the other way, with one-speed mountain bikes, but those are fading fast because...one gear is too limiting for varied terrain. There's no restraint at that end, and we're going to show 'em all what-for sometime late this year, if we can pull it off.I wonder what it could be...the before-hinted plus-tire Hunqapillar?  Bringing back the Bombadil (probably can't be done under the LOTR gag order)?  Some other new trail-oriented rig?Honestly, I'm pretty satisfied with my Jones-barred Clem as my MTB (well...a threadless fork would be nice), so I'm not anxiously awaiting anything, but it would be interesting to see what they come up with.  Let the speculation begin!     



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[RBW] Re: Cheviot fat tires

[adam leibow]

On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 8:25:27 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ya know what happens when you put a dang e-motor on a Cheviot? It gets 
> faster and heavier, rendering the previously cushy 41.5 Fatty Rumpkins 
> kinda hard and narrow. I need bigger 650b tires and wonder what others have 
> used. The old brochure says 45mm without fenders is about the max. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot fat tires

[adam leibow]

i've got the 29x50mm schwalbe big bens. they seem to max it out, wouldn't 
go bigger. great tire for the cheviot. makes it more mountain bikey. 

On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 8:25:27 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ya know what happens when you put a dang e-motor on a Cheviot? It gets 
> faster and heavier, rendering the previously cushy 41.5 Fatty Rumpkins 
> kinda hard and narrow. I need bigger 650b tires and wonder what others have 
> used. The old brochure says 45mm without fenders is about the max. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>

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[RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[William deRosset]

Hi, Joe,

I land in the "alternate each foot" crowd for hiking. I backpack in trail 
runners and for walks in reasonable weather, like and recommend whatever 
comfortable shoes you own. There really isn't much to worry about on a day 
hike. A windbreaker, some sense of where you are and where you are going, and a 
quart or two of water aren't bad ideas. 

Think about what you bring for a day ride in the hills and subtract anything 
bike-related. That is about right unless you live on the Eiger.

Best Regards,

Will
William M deRosset
Fort Collins CO USA

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Joe Bernard]

What's funny after all this input - which I appreciate - is it looks like I'm 
already using my walking/hiking gear on my bike. Well ok then!

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Eric Daume]

I would bet any amount you wish that Riv will not make a suspension
corrected frame. Plenty of riders can ride as fast as they like on any
terrain without suspension--look at Jones's bikes.

My guess is that a Riv mountain bike would end up somewhere in the Jones
neighborhood: plus tire clearance, no suspension, longer rear center,
shorter front center, but probably a more horizontal top tube, maybe a lug
or two, and a crowned fork instead of a truss.

Then everyone can start holding their breath for a Nitto lugged dropper
post.

Eric

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 2:10 PM, tc  wrote:

> I would wish for a suspension-corrected frame/fork design to enable the
> bike appeal to a much broader set of wallets.  Not all of us have packed
> paths to ride on.  Many of us have singletrack options that require some
> squish to be able to run at a decent speed that makes it fun and worthwhile
> and not rattling your teeth and bones.  While I sometimes enjoy the
> challenge of poking along a course like a 'trials' event, those times are
> few and far between.  Our options here are rooty, rocky, and often
> rut-filled.  With an inexpensive (even coil vs. air) shock up front, the
> ride instantly becomes not only tolerable, but really fun.  Surly and
> others seem to have realized this flexibility opens bikes up to a much
> larger ridership (e.g., Karate Monkey, Ogre, etc) by offering frame designs
> that allowed either rigid or squishy forks.The thought of having a
> suspension-corrected Riv frame, which would of course be the best designed
> of all sus-corrected geo's ever, is really, really exciting.  Not holding
> my breath though.
>
> Tom
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[RBW] front wheel 650b

[Joe Bernard]

I would recommend one FS post with pics, mate. 

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[RBW] FS Sackville Bartube sack

[CMR]

Hey Larry, just wondering if you are using someone else's computer? It says 
your name is Ned. Also pictures would be very helpful for both your posts.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Elongating a chain question.

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I keep a stash of extra master links around and would likely just use them 
plus a piece of spare chain the next time I need a longer chain.  I've 
reinstalled pins and reconnected shortened/lengthened chains (7/8 and 9 
speed) with a chain tool several times and have been fortunate to not yet 
have one break but my chain tool punch has bent to the point it no longer 
installs them properly.  It's a double sided one with hex "base" in the 
center and a few threads at either side of the base so it could be flipped 
over or reversed and threaded into the body of the tool.  I had thought the 
threads likely just weakened it at a crucial spot only making it more 
likely to warp and requiring use of the 2nd side.  It's a Bontrager model 
chainbreaker I picked up locally a few years ago.  I haven't tried to find 
a replacement punch/pin for it yet but guessing a more solid single sided 
replacement is unlikely to find, if replacements are even sold at all.  I 
have a spare breaker built into a multitool but this one is more difficult 
to use and handle.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ



On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 3:31:56 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Best option: 2nd chain, use the quick link to add them in. Easy. Simple. 
> And you have more chain for next time so you don’t have to always buy two 
> each round (save the quicklinks) 
>
> Ouch option: find old chain, use chain tool to add the links, then when 
> cranking hard the chain brakes and you say “ouch!” (if you’re lucky). 
>
> I learned the hard way to never, ever, put chain back together with a 
> chain tool. Too dainty unless they are the wider 5 speed or single speed 
> chains. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick  

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[RBW] Re: Elongating a chain question.

[Drw]

Ok thanks all. I bit the bullet and ordered another chain. 

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[RBW] Re: Elongating a chain question.

[lconley]

I try to use 9 speed drivetrains with Wipperman SS chains on most of my 
bikes these days, I have 1 extra chain that I steal links from, since it 
seems that most Rivendells these days need longer than stock chains. The 9 
speed chains work fine on 7 speed systems. I am a bad boy and use a chain 
tool for the extra links and only have 1 master link instead of two. No 
chain failures so far, but I do not beat on my bicycles.  
I also have all of the extra links that I have removed from various chain 
over the past 25 years or so - not a lot of use these days for the ultra-6 
Sedisport links, but you never know. 

Laing
Cocoa FL

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 3:16:11 PM UTC-4, Drw wrote:

> I have one of those big cassettes and a long cage derailler on my Mtn 
> Mixte, and I need 6-8 links more than what came on a standard kmc 10 speed. 
> Beyond buying a whole new chain to take 6-8 links off of, what are my 
> options?
>

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[RBW] front wheel 650b

[Ned Brennan]

Pacenti rim, Grand Bois high flange, DT spokes, built by SRAM Team mech. 
$174

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[RBW] How will you (how would you) build up your new Atlantis?

[Brett Callahan]

Happy Friday folks. As I'm sitting in my office daydreaming about my new 
MIT swoopy tube Atlantis, I started planning the build in my head and 
thought it would be fun to hear what others are planning or would do. 

I'm going mostly with parts bin stuff and take offs from my Clem first: 
Silver crank (take off from my Clem) 
8 speed Shimano drive train with Deore derailleurs, 
Albatross bars on a Technomic stem with cork grips and SA thumbies, 
Surly front rack & Tailfeather rear bag support for a medium Sackville
Velocity Dyad's with front SP dynamo and rear Deore hub,
Busch & Muller lights, 
B17 Saddle
Shimano V-Brakes
VO metal 2 inch fenders will go on in the fall

Planned but unpurchased: 
Soma Cazadero 700c x 50 tires 

I may look at the new Billie or wave bar in the future

Cheers, 
Brett , currently riding a desk in PDX


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[RBW] FS Albatross set up

[Ned Brennan]

bars, Specialized stem, brake levers, cork grips for bar ends, ready to 
install
$116

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[RBW] FS Sackville Bartube sack

[Ned Brennan]

$54 used maybe 10 times.
Larry 707-592-6116

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[RBW] Pacenti wheelset 700c

[Ned Brennan]

$349 welded construct, Shimano Ultegra hubset, PL23, with Schwable marathon 
supremes

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[RBW] Re: Elongating a chain question.

[Garth]

Yeah , you only need to buy another chain once, then for each new chain 
take a few links from it.  So 6-8 links of say 114 would give enough links 
for a lot of chains ! 





On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 3:16:11 PM UTC-4, Drw wrote:
>
> I have one of those big cassettes and a long cage derailler on my Mtn 
> Mixte, and I need 6-8 links more than what came on a standard kmc 10 speed. 
> Beyond buying a whole new chain to take 6-8 links off of, what are my 
> options?
>

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[RBW] Elongating a chain question.

[Deacon Patrick]

Best option: 2nd chain, use the quick link to add them in. Easy. Simple. And 
you have more chain for next time so you don’t have to always buy two each 
round (save the quicklinks)

Ouch option: find old chain, use chain tool to add the links, then when 
cranking hard the chain brakes and you say “ouch!” (if you’re lucky).

I learned the hard way to never, ever, put chain back together with a chain 
tool. Too dainty unless they are the wider 5 speed or single speed chains.

With abandon,
Patrick  

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[RBW] Re: Elongating a chain question.

[Eli Queen]

I don't know that you have any other options. When I had to do the same 
thing I was told by a mechanic at my local co-op: next time I get a new 
chain, get an extra master link and continue to take links from the same 
donor.

Eli
CMB, MA

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[RBW] Elongating a chain question.

[Drw]

I have one of those big cassettes and a long cage derailler on my Mtn 
Mixte, and I need 6-8 links more than what came on a standard kmc 10 speed. 
Beyond buying a whole new chain to take 6-8 links off of, what are my 
options?

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Surlyprof]

In regards to the name, maybe "Sam Mountainborne"?  It'd be a country 
bike... if the country was Switzerland or Nepal!

John
(Who trusts Riv with the actual name)

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 3:53:10 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> This bike has me more excited and curious than any new Riv since I started 
> following in 2011.  
>
> No offense to Grant & Co., but I really hope they can come up with a 
> better name.   
>

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot sighting, Arlington Massachusetts

[Lum Gim Fong]

Thanks!
So fun to see these in the wild.
Especially rare birds like Bleriots!

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[RBW] FS

[Carla Waugh]

FS medium blue Sackville saddlesack 170,00 and x small blue saddlesack 60.00 
plus shipping.

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[tc]

I would wish for a suspension-corrected frame/fork design to enable the 
bike appeal to a much broader set of wallets.  Not all of us have packed 
paths to ride on.  Many of us have singletrack options that require some 
squish to be able to run at a decent speed that makes it fun and worthwhile 
and not rattling your teeth and bones.  While I sometimes enjoy the 
challenge of poking along a course like a 'trials' event, those times are 
few and far between.  Our options here are rooty, rocky, and often 
rut-filled.  With an inexpensive (even coil vs. air) shock up front, the 
ride instantly becomes not only tolerable, but really fun.  Surly and 
others seem to have realized this flexibility opens bikes up to a much 
larger ridership (e.g., Karate Monkey, Ogre, etc) by offering frame designs 
that allowed either rigid or squishy forks.The thought of having a 
suspension-corrected Riv frame, which would of course be the best designed 
of all sus-corrected geo's ever, is really, really exciting.  Not holding 
my breath though.

Tom 

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[lconley]

I would have started fat bikes at 3" instead of 4". My fat bike has skinny 
3.8" Surly Black Floyds. Dare I call them the Compass of fat bike tires?



Laing



On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 1:42:40 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "mountain bike" is a superset of "fat bike".  A fat bike is an ambiguously 
> defined subset of mountain bike.  Not every mountain bike is a fat bike.  
> For some, a moutain bike is plus sized at 2.75" - 3.75" tires and it's a 
> fat bike at >4" tires.  
>
> Every fat bike is a mountain bike.  Not every mountain bike is a fat 
> bike.  Rivendell hinted at a "mountain bike", which means it may or may not 
> be a "plus sized mountain bike" and may or may not be a "fat bike".  
>
> BL set-theorizing in EC
>
> On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 10:33:24 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
>>
>> When did "mountain bike" become synonymous with "fat bike"?. I missed 
>> that one.
>>
>> Laing
>> Cocoa FL
>>
>> On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 1:18:18 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>>> I actually wouldn't be surprised if a plus-tired Riv used canti brakes.  
>>> V-brakes have an absolute tire clearance limit based on their arm length, 
>>> and I think most v-brakes, especially the Shimano ones that Rivendell uses, 
>>> wouldn't be able to clear a 3-inch tire.  You may be able to do it with 
>>> something like the long-arm v-brakes that are spec'ed on the rim brake Yuba 
>>> Mundo cargo bikes, but you'd be pretty limited in your component choice.  
>>> Cantilever brakes have a bit more flexibility since you can adjust straddle 
>>> length, especially if you can find those extra-wide straddle hangers that 
>>> are intended to increase tire clearance.  Then, as others have pointed out, 
>>> your only problem would be finding rims with brake tracks wide enough to 
>>> properly fit a 3" tire.  
>>>
>>> Back when Riv tested out the Surly Pugsley, they used cantilever brakes 
>>> (and drop bars!) on their build, since the first-gen Pugsley frames and 
>>> Large Marge rims were rim brake compatible.  
>>>
>>> As to Bill's speculation about spec'ing a 9/8" threadless steerer a la 
>>> the tandem, if that's the case, I'm going to be sorely tempted by this 
>>> beast.
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 9:39:21 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Eh, Riv was canti over v-brakes back in the day, too..now it's v-brakes 
 over discs. I'm holding out hope for cable discs over hydros ;-)
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[phil k]

How big of tires can clifhangers go up to? I'm seeing more 2.5 tires, but I 
think 2.8 and bigger would need disc brakes.

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[RBW] Trade Sackville Med.

[Carla Waugh]

Trade or sale for 170.00 plus a little for shipping. 

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Re: [RBW] MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Joe Bernard]

Oh don't even get me started on thru axles! Now that I have one on the front of 
my Crust I wonder why we ever messed with those ridiculous quick-releases made 
slow by lawyer lips. Slide the wheel into the forks, slam the axle through, 
grab that wrench and thread it into the right-side fork end. Easy, safe, I like 
it 👍

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Re: [RBW] MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Eric Daume]

Making a special rim just to use rim brakes with plus tires seems, I dunno,
deliberately retro. It would make your replacement parts very hard to find,
for what advantage? I’ve never had to replace a disc caliper due to
failure, while I have had to replace rims.

The again, once down this path, what’s next? Thru axles?

Eric

On Friday, May 4, 2018, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> I actually wouldn't be surprised if a plus-tired Riv used canti brakes.
> V-brakes have an absolute tire clearance limit based on their arm length,
> and I think most v-brakes, especially the Shimano ones that Rivendell uses,
> wouldn't be able to clear a 3-inch tire.  You may be able to do it with
> something like the long-arm v-brakes that are spec'ed on the rim brake Yuba
> Mundo cargo bikes, but you'd be pretty limited in your component choice.
> Cantilever brakes have a bit more flexibility since you can adjust straddle
> length, especially if you can find those extra-wide straddle hangers that
> are intended to increase tire clearance.  Then, as others have pointed out,
> your only problem would be finding rims with brake tracks wide enough to
> properly fit a 3" tire.
>
> Back when Riv tested out the Surly Pugsley, they used cantilever brakes
> (and drop bars!) on their build, since the first-gen Pugsley frames and
> Large Marge rims were rim brake compatible.
>
> As to Bill's speculation about spec'ing a 9/8" threadless steerer a la the
> tandem, if that's the case, I'm going to be sorely tempted by this beast.
>
>
> On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 9:39:21 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Eh, Riv was canti over v-brakes back in the day, too..now it's v-brakes
>> over discs. I'm holding out hope for cable discs over hydros ;-)
>
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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Bill Lindsay]

"mountain bike" is a superset of "fat bike".  A fat bike is an ambiguously 
defined subset of mountain bike.  Not every mountain bike is a fat bike.  
For some, a moutain bike is plus sized at 2.75" - 3.75" tires and it's a 
fat bike at >4" tires.  

Every fat bike is a mountain bike.  Not every mountain bike is a fat bike.  
Rivendell hinted at a "mountain bike", which means it may or may not be a 
"plus sized mountain bike" and may or may not be a "fat bike".  

BL set-theorizing in EC

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 10:33:24 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
>
> When did "mountain bike" become synonymous with "fat bike"?. I missed that 
> one.
>
> Laing
> Cocoa FL
>
> On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 1:18:18 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
>> I actually wouldn't be surprised if a plus-tired Riv used canti brakes.  
>> V-brakes have an absolute tire clearance limit based on their arm length, 
>> and I think most v-brakes, especially the Shimano ones that Rivendell uses, 
>> wouldn't be able to clear a 3-inch tire.  You may be able to do it with 
>> something like the long-arm v-brakes that are spec'ed on the rim brake Yuba 
>> Mundo cargo bikes, but you'd be pretty limited in your component choice.  
>> Cantilever brakes have a bit more flexibility since you can adjust straddle 
>> length, especially if you can find those extra-wide straddle hangers that 
>> are intended to increase tire clearance.  Then, as others have pointed out, 
>> your only problem would be finding rims with brake tracks wide enough to 
>> properly fit a 3" tire.  
>>
>> Back when Riv tested out the Surly Pugsley, they used cantilever brakes 
>> (and drop bars!) on their build, since the first-gen Pugsley frames and 
>> Large Marge rims were rim brake compatible.  
>>
>> As to Bill's speculation about spec'ing a 9/8" threadless steerer a la 
>> the tandem, if that's the case, I'm going to be sorely tempted by this 
>> beast.
>>
>> On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 9:39:21 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Eh, Riv was canti over v-brakes back in the day, too..now it's v-brakes 
>>> over discs. I'm holding out hope for cable discs over hydros ;-)
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[lconley]

When did "mountain bike" become synonymous with "fat bike"?. I missed that 
one.

Laing
Cocoa FL

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 1:18:18 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:

> I actually wouldn't be surprised if a plus-tired Riv used canti brakes.  
> V-brakes have an absolute tire clearance limit based on their arm length, 
> and I think most v-brakes, especially the Shimano ones that Rivendell uses, 
> wouldn't be able to clear a 3-inch tire.  You may be able to do it with 
> something like the long-arm v-brakes that are spec'ed on the rim brake Yuba 
> Mundo cargo bikes, but you'd be pretty limited in your component choice.  
> Cantilever brakes have a bit more flexibility since you can adjust straddle 
> length, especially if you can find those extra-wide straddle hangers that 
> are intended to increase tire clearance.  Then, as others have pointed out, 
> your only problem would be finding rims with brake tracks wide enough to 
> properly fit a 3" tire.  
>
> Back when Riv tested out the Surly Pugsley, they used cantilever brakes 
> (and drop bars!) on their build, since the first-gen Pugsley frames and 
> Large Marge rims were rim brake compatible.  
>
> As to Bill's speculation about spec'ing a 9/8" threadless steerer a la the 
> tandem, if that's the case, I'm going to be sorely tempted by this beast.  
>   
>
> On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 9:39:21 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Eh, Riv was canti over v-brakes back in the day, too..now it's v-brakes 
>> over discs. I'm holding out hope for cable discs over hydros ;-)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Jeremy Till]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if a plus-tired Riv used canti brakes.  
V-brakes have an absolute tire clearance limit based on their arm length, 
and I think most v-brakes, especially the Shimano ones that Rivendell uses, 
wouldn't be able to clear a 3-inch tire.  You may be able to do it with 
something like the long-arm v-brakes that are spec'ed on the rim brake Yuba 
Mundo cargo bikes, but you'd be pretty limited in your component choice.  
Cantilever brakes have a bit more flexibility since you can adjust straddle 
length, especially if you can find those extra-wide straddle hangers that 
are intended to increase tire clearance.  Then, as others have pointed out, 
your only problem would be finding rims with brake tracks wide enough to 
properly fit a 3" tire.  

Back when Riv tested out the Surly Pugsley, they used cantilever brakes 
(and drop bars!) on their build, since the first-gen Pugsley frames and 
Large Marge rims were rim brake compatible.  

As to Bill's speculation about spec'ing a 9/8" threadless steerer a la the 
tandem, if that's the case, I'm going to be sorely tempted by this beast.  
  

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 9:39:21 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Eh, Riv was canti over v-brakes back in the day, too..now it's v-brakes 
> over discs. I'm holding out hope for cable discs over hydros ;-)

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[RBW] Trade Sackville Med.

[Carla Waugh]

If your looking for a blue medium Sackville Saddlesack I would like to trade 
for the gray. Mine is in excellent shape. 

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[RBW] Hub Shiners

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, it's "slowly removing the Deore logo" polishing ;-)

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Joe Bernard]

Eh, Riv was canti over v-brakes back in the day, too..now it's v-brakes over 
discs. I'm holding out hope for cable discs over hydros ;-)

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Joe Bernard]

Surly: Yes, I have the thinner socks. 

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Garth]

I agree about if the frame had disc brakes it would contradict what was 
stated about already existing auto/moto tech. 

I looked around and it seems there exists already 44mm rim brake plus tire 
rims, called Snowcats/Snow Cats . 44mm wide. They've been around since '93 
!  

http://616fab.com/wheel/snowcat-wheels/

https://arcticcycles.com/wp-content/uploads/Snow-Cat-Rims.pdf


So I have no idea what the "new" mtb could be either  The Bombadil at the 
time was the "new" mtb based on the 80's kinda design of mtb's  so here 
we have another "new" based on the same 80's kinda idea ?   You got me ! 

The only Riv frame I have is a Bombadil and I ride it mostly on road as I 
have little place off to ride, but it is a wonderful mtn bikey as-is :)

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Surlyprof]

Ask 50 people and get 100 opinions... I prefer Smartwool merino wool lite 
hikers.  I personally found thinner to be better (although not too thin).

John

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[RBW] Re: Feeling the Rivets

[Dave at Rivendell]

I asked Brooks about thicknesses. 

Steven Green, factory manager who has been with Brooks for almost 40 years 
responded: 





*There is absolutely no truth in this at all! We have always specified, to 
my knowledge, 5.5mm to 6 mm as the target thickness.  We do occasionally 
receive leather outside of these parameters and we allow a minimum of 4.8 
mm and a maximum 6.5 mm Unfortunately, cows are such inconsiderate beasts 
and they won’t come to an agreement with Brooks to always give us exactly 
5.5 mm!*





On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 3:57:14 AM UTC-7, Lester Lammers wrote:
>
> Is your B17 rather new? Brooks was bought out and the new owners started 
> using thinner leather that had issues. There are posts about this on other 
> forums. I'm not sure if they have changed.
>
> On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 9:31:43 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> I use a B17, and when I climb or pedal hard (paceline), I tend to move 
>> back on the B17 and feel the rivets.  What does this indicates
>>
>> My bars are at saddle height my knee is about 10mm below the pedal 
>> spindle.  The saddle height is 9.5 to 10 cm less than PBH.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Surlyprof]

Doesn’t matter.  So excited that I may finally get a full Riv purchase/build 
experience.  Bought my Hillborne on CL.

John

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Surlyprof]

If they went threadless and rear disc brakes, dare I speculate 2.5-2.8 
clearances and potential for the blasphemous shock fork?  (Not sure how I’d 
feel about that)

I more like imagining that Grant talked someone into making plus sized canti or 
v brakes.

John

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[iamkeith]

In the spirit of speculation fun, here's my big guess:

I think the aspect that they need to "pull off" is getting someone to produce a 
45mm wide rim brake rim.

Grant has multiple times lumped disc brakes together with motorcycle 
technology, so I think someone would be crazy to expect that to happen.  And if 
it did happen, it would probably be cable only. Cause, zip ties? So people 
would complain about that.

The Joe Appaloosa fork crown deign seems like it would lend itself to widening 
pretty easily, doesn't it?

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[RBW] Hub Shiners

[Bill Eberle in Columbus, Ohio]

Is this the RBW equivalent to Campy polishing?

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[RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[Madam Xylene]

Isn't this kinda like asking which one is your favorite child 

That being said I have a Homer Hilsen and Cheviut that I use for very 
different purposes.  Cheviut is around town and up Mt. Diablo once in a 
while. Maybe someday I'll try it on 200K brevet. I can load it up with 
groceries with racks and bags installed and for around town the upright 
position can't be beat. 
 
However, I prefer my Homer for longer under 300K rides but it's now racked 
and bagged to carry lots of stuff so it's my backup around town bike with 
drop bars that I carry a small watermelon or two, bag of dry cat food and 
1/2 gallon of milk et al.

Guess if I could only have one bike and still wanted to do 300K brevets it 
would be the Homer but if I wasn't doing longish rides the Cheviut is clear 
winner. It's so much fun to ride the Cheviut downhill and uphill it's bonus 
workout points.

Eileen


On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 3:30:55 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I've owned 5: 3 custom Roads, 56 (55?) single tt, canti Sam, and blue Ram, 
> later model with room for 32s and fenders and space in between.
>
> I put more miles on the 2003 Curt, just about identical to the '99 Joe 
> gofast in frame geometry, drivetain/saddle/bar components and setup; it 
> just adds all the accoutrements -- fenders, racks f/r, dynolights, bell fer 
> gosh's sakes -- that you'd reasonably want for an "errand" bike, But, (just 
> rode it) I have to say that the stripper gofast is just *more fun* to 
> ride, measured by response in drivetrain to effort in legs. I don't know 
> why this is so, since the '03 has largely the same drivetrain, and wheels 
> -- same tires, Elk Pass -- as the '99. There is probably a 7 lb weight 
> differenceboth bikes unladen ('99 is 18.1 now that it adds second bottle 
> cage and Dingle on flip side); and the '03 is very often laden; but -- I 
> dunno. 
>
> I realize that all of this is very relative to your own type of riding; 
> but for me, if someone held a gun to my head and said: "One bike; choose 
> now!", I'd have to choose the '99 Joe.
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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Bill Lindsay]

Great point. Speculators speculate. Handwringers wring their hands. There's 
a big distinction between the two, and I did not mean to lump them together.

Speculating:
Given that the hints indicated some intent to differentiate from 
Hunqapillar, that tells me that they at least thought about calling it 
Hunqapillar (a made up name).  If they called it Hunqapillar, it would have 
had the Hunqapillar headbadge.  If they had called it Elephant, would it 
still have had the wooly mammoth badge?  maybe.  I don't know how long it 
takes or how expensive it is to make another badge.  That would be a new 
thing, having two model names associated with the same badge.  

More speculating: 
I wonder if this mountain will be 9/8" threadless, just like the tandem. 
 They have the headtube rings and the fork all designed.  My WAY OUT THERE 
speculation is that they re-use the Bushnell bottom bracket from the 
tandem, so we get vertical drop outs, disc brakes in back, and the ability 
to run single speed.  

BL in EC

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 7:22:25 AM UTC-7, phil k wrote:
>
> Or they could be a Riv fan, and like speculating.
>
> On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 10:05:53 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Show me a bicycle owner incapable of liking his bicycle because of its 
>> name and I'll show you a "collector" not a "cyclist".  Show me somebody 
>> fretting over a name that doesn't exist over a bike that doesn't exist and 
>> that they haven't purchased, and I'll show you a habitual handwringer. 
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 11:06:09 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> “Brand or model names shouldn't sound like inside jokes thought up over 
>>> beer & pizza.” 
>>> Oops. 
>>>
>>> Philip 
>>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Joe Bernard]

The naming ideas are fun, but we probably should remind ourselves Grant isn't 
looking for new ideas, he just threw up a couple he's interested in. 

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Joe Bernard]

The hiking will be in Yosemite, not LA. Plus I intend to keep doing it around 
here in Marin County, although what I'll be doing on my own is probably more 
accurately called nature walking. 

Yes to merino blend socks, I've been using LL Beans in my walking/riding shoes 
for years. Cushy, warm in winter, cool in summer..amazing stuff. 

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[RBW] Re: New Journal Entry up at Analog Cycles: Disconnecting to get connected: A Journey in Satchidananda

[Minh]

Wow, considering 2 weeks ago i was at your garage sale in Frederick and now 
you guys have the shop fitted out, i'd say you've been busy! looks great, 
hope to visit the shop next time we're in VT!

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[phil k]

I have these and they are my go to outdoor socks.

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 10:37:21 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I find thick wool socks good for this purpose, since they both take up 
> slack in shoe fit without requiring excessively tight lacing, thus avoiding 
> both sliding and blistering, and pinching, but allow room for a bit of 
> swelling. The ones I like come in packs of 3 from Costco -- though just 
> realized that Walmart is selling Costco socks? Odd. But these is them. 
> Surprisingly cool in hot weather, too.
>
>
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/KirklandSignature-Men-039-s-Outdoor-Trail-Sock-Merino-Wool-Blend-Assorted-4pc-Medium/570344065?https://www.walmart.com/ip/KirklandSignature-Men-039-s-Outdoor-Trail-Sock-Merino-Wool-Blend-Assorted-4pc-Medium/570344065?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=12789&adid=227141527165&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=251223150642&wl4=pla-467560299087&wl5=9030453&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=117437467&wl11=online&wl12=570344065&wl13=&veh=sem
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Surlyprof 
> > wrote:
>
>> I did learn a couple of things I about shoes from years of backpacking.  
>> Make sure there’s at least a thumb’s width of distance between your toe and 
>> the front of the shoe or boot (not sure if this applies to those minimalist 
>> shoes).  This is particularly important going downhill.  Make sure there is 
>> enough width in the toebox.  Feet swell when hiking.  A little wiggle room 
>> keeps you from rubbing them raw.  Check for heel slippage.  If your heel 
>> slips up and down a lot, it’s guaranteed to blister (almost unavoidable if 
>> you hike long stretches of beach)  If you do blister, don’t put tape on 
>> it.  Bring some moleskin.  Cut a hole about the size of the blister, round 
>> the corners so it doesn’t catch on your sock, and tape it around the 
>> blister.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Patrick Moore]

Oliphant. Done.

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> More hints today!
>
> We were all set to name the new mtn bike Elephantus--a rebound name after
>> we'd finally opted out of Hunqapillar to avoid confusion...and it turns out
>> there is an Elephant brand bike, so we gotta just let him be with that. So
>> now it's down to Sir Barney Johnston and H. "Larry" Gomez. Maybe "Sir"
>> Barney Johnston. I don't know how I feel about the quotes. It adds a nice
>> twist, don't you think?
>
>
> I'm guessing plus tires, based on the original Elephantus name.
>
> On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>> This might be a stretch, but hey, what's the fun in following a guru if
>> you can't spend hours parsing his words and interpreting them?  I think
>> there might be a hint towards an upcoming trail-oriented Riv (or update to
>> an existing Riv) hidden in this passage from Grant's post yesterday
>> 
>> :
>>
>> In mountain bike racing and just riding, it's gone the other way. The
>>> early guys were riding unsuitably low-tech bikes, then bikes reached a
>>> basic good level of appropriate technology in the late '80s, and now
>>> they've borrowed as much as possible—for now—from cars and motorcycles.
>>> There are reactions to it the other way, with one-speed mountain bikes, but
>>> those are fading fast because...one gear is too limiting for varied
>>> terrain. *There's no restraint at that end, and we're going to show 'em
>>> all what-for sometime late this year, if we can pull it off.*
>>
>>
>> I wonder what it could be...the before-hinted plus-tire Hunqapillar?
>> Bringing back the Bombadil (probably can't be done under the LOTR gag
>> order)?  Some other new trail-oriented rig?
>>
>> Honestly, I'm pretty satisfied with my Jones-barred Clem as my MTB
>> (well...a threadless fork would be nice), so I'm not anxiously awaiting
>> anything, but it would be interesting to see what they come up with.
>>
>> Let the speculation begin!
>>
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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Patrick Moore]

I find thick wool socks good for this purpose, since they both take up
slack in shoe fit without requiring excessively tight lacing, thus avoiding
both sliding and blistering, and pinching, but allow room for a bit of
swelling. The ones I like come in packs of 3 from Costco -- though just
realized that Walmart is selling Costco socks? Odd. But these is them.
Surprisingly cool in hot weather, too.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/KirklandSignature-Men-039-s-Outdoor-Trail-Sock-Merino-Wool-Blend-Assorted-4pc-Medium/570344065?https://www.walmart.com/ip/KirklandSignature-Men-039-s-Outdoor-Trail-Sock-Merino-Wool-Blend-Assorted-4pc-Medium/570344065?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=12789&adid=227141527165&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=251223150642&wl4=pla-467560299087&wl5=9030453&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=117437467&wl11=online&wl12=570344065&wl13=&veh=sem

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> I did learn a couple of things I about shoes from years of backpacking.
> Make sure there’s at least a thumb’s width of distance between your toe and
> the front of the shoe or boot (not sure if this applies to those minimalist
> shoes).  This is particularly important going downhill.  Make sure there is
> enough width in the toebox.  Feet swell when hiking.  A little wiggle room
> keeps you from rubbing them raw.  Check for heel slippage.  If your heel
> slips up and down a lot, it’s guaranteed to blister (almost unavoidable if
> you hike long stretches of beach)  If you do blister, don’t put tape on
> it.  Bring some moleskin.  Cut a hole about the size of the blister, round
> the corners so it doesn’t catch on your sock, and tape it around the
> blister.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[lconley]

I have always been a fan of the Trilobites on the Hunqapillar head badge. 
How about calling it the Trilobyte (the "byte" is intentional) and the head 
badge could be one big Trilobite. Trilobyte does obey the three syllable 
rule.

Laing
cocoa FL


>>>

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Surlyprof]

I’ve been in the market for a mountain bike for a while.  I guess my wife might 
be pleased that I may have to wait a while longer.

Very exciting news!

John

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[phil k]

Oh okay. LA hiking is very different than mtn hiking that I like to do. 
Went to visit LA a few months back and did some hiking there with a water 
bottle, regular clothes, and tennis shoes. The LA trails are pretty easy 
going and well kept. The only difficulty is the uphill, and even then it's 
fairly steady and nothing insane.

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 12:52:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Eric: You're right, I already have some super comfortable Asics that I'll 
> start with. They look slightly overbuilt for riding but it's what I use all 
> the time and they work great for that..I figure they'll hold up well to the 
> low-key amount of "hiking" I'll be doing. 
>
> The reason for pestering you guys about this OT-ness is I have a couple of 
> friends in Los Angeles who have invited me for a hike this summer. Being 
> that they're ladies about 15 years younger than me and I don't want to fall 
> down like Idiot Old Guy in front of them, I figure I better have something 
> resembling hiking legs by the time I get there. So thanks for all the input 
> and wish me luck! 
>

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[phil k]

Or they could be a Riv fan, and like speculating.

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 10:05:53 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Show me a bicycle owner incapable of liking his bicycle because of its 
> name and I'll show you a "collector" not a "cyclist".  Show me somebody 
> fretting over a name that doesn't exist over a bike that doesn't exist and 
> that they haven't purchased, and I'll show you a habitual handwringer. 
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 11:06:09 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> “Brand or model names shouldn't sound like inside jokes thought up over 
>> beer & pizza.” 
>> Oops. 
>>
>> Philip 
>> Santa Rosa, CA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Surlyprof]

I did learn a couple of things I about shoes from years of backpacking.  Make 
sure there’s at least a thumb’s width of distance between your toe and the 
front of the shoe or boot (not sure if this applies to those minimalist shoes). 
 This is particularly important going downhill.  Make sure there is enough 
width in the toebox.  Feet swell when hiking.  A little wiggle room keeps you 
from rubbing them raw.  Check for heel slippage.  If your heel slips up and 
down a lot, it’s guaranteed to blister (almost unavoidable if you hike long 
stretches of beach)  If you do blister, don’t put tape on it.  Bring some 
moleskin.  Cut a hole about the size of the blister, round the corners so it 
doesn’t catch on your sock, and tape it around the blister.

Bring snacks that don’t melt so you don’t bonk.

John
Who has feet issues and buys Lowa Renegades despite the cost (although they can 
usually be found for a fraction of the price at REIs garage sales)

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[RBW] Re: FS: Hupe, D-A Levers, Clothing & Misc.

[islaysteve]

D-A levers and Hupe are spoken for, pending (my) shipping quote and final 
payment.  So the $99 deal no longer works.  I will re-post if anything 
changes.
Cheers, Steve

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 6:36:55 AM UTC-4, islaysteve wrote:
>
> (Cross-posted from iBob): 
> I have the following items for sale.  Prices do not include shipping.  
> Here’s the link to photos (I’ve allowed access, but please let me know if 
> it doesn’t work):  https://photos.app.goo.gl/SPWpaY2y4Tsu5TwC7
>
> Pearl Izumi cycling jacket, blue, size M.  Single-layer wind jacket.  
> Several years old but little wear, other than the elastic is somewhat old.  
> One small pocket inside useable for keys.  Reflective piping.  Fits snug 
> like P-I tends to do.  $20.
>
> Zoic short sleeve cycling jersey, size L, grey.  Quarter-zip.  Nearly new, 
> worn a few times.  One large and one small zippered pocket in rear.  $20.
>
> Dura Ace Brake shift levers, 8-speed.  The original Shimano D-A brifters.  
> Good condition with very slight scuffing on front, hoods show normal wear.  
> Front cover name plates are faded, shown removed in photos but I will send 
> with brifters.  New plates can be purchased on eBay. Note:  These levers 
> will shift some but not all Shimano 8-speed groups.  If interested, I can 
> provide further info.  These go for much more on eBay, I’d rather pass them 
> on to list members.  $45/pr.
>
> Rivendell Hupe detachable rear bag support.  If you are not familiar with 
> this item, please research to see how it works, info might still be up on 
> the Riv site.  Note:  Prone to scratching your frame.  I have covered the 
> offending end with a plastic cap, but this is no guarantee that it will not 
> scratch.  Use at your own (frame’s) risk.  $10.
>
> Delta fork mount.  This is normally mounted to a pickup bed or similar 
> location.  Shown on my Miata (Bleriot and Miata not included!).  This is a 
> very strong version with loops in the levers to provide for a lock.  The 
> mounting holes on this one have been enlarged slightly to accomodate the 
> mounting area on my car.  If anything, this provides some flexibility for 
> mounting.  $10.
>
> Sea Sucker “Rear Wheel Strap”:  This is a strong suction cup with a velcro 
> wheel strap to hold down a wheel; attaches to car body and is removable.  
> Similar to this one: 
> https://www.seasucker.com/collections/rack-accessories/products/rear-wheel-strap.
>   
> Works very well.  This and the fork mount above were used to create a trunk 
> mount on my Miata.  I no longer have that car so am passing the mounts 
> along.  $35 for Sea Sucker (sells new for $55).  
>
> Or take all of the above for $99 plus shipping.  PM me via this list, 
> reply here, or email directly to:  alkiremx5_at_veri2on_dot_n3t.  I will 
> quote shipping based on items and your zip code.  Thanks for looking!  Steve
>
>

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Bill Lindsay]

Show me a bicycle owner incapable of liking his bicycle because of its name 
and I'll show you a "collector" not a "cyclist".  Show me somebody fretting 
over a name that doesn't exist over a bike that doesn't exist and that they 
haven't purchased, and I'll show you a habitual handwringer. 

BL in EC

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 11:06:09 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> “Brand or model names shouldn't sound like inside jokes thought up over 
> beer & pizza.” 
> Oops. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Nitto handlebars (Bosco, Albastache, M151), Sugino, VO Rack, Derailleurs, Brifters

[Dave Redmon]

Are your Albastache vars still available for sale?

Dave in Kansas

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[RBW] FS: Acorn tall rando bag

[Dave Brandt]

The bag is currrently listed on Craigslist for $125 but I prefer to buy and 
sell to other enthusiasts from this group.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bop/d/acorn-randonneur-bag/6578628819.html

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for aerobic base training heart rate monitors?

[Tom Wyland]

Thanks Patrick.  I'll investigate but it sounds like my style of riding.  I 
usually whistle ;-)

 I use an Apple Watch and Strava, FWIW.

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[RBW] Re: May Snow

[Ron Mc]

May snow?  Looks like it already did.  

We dream of 90 degrees and 40% humidity.  Had our first week of breathing 
steam, already summer riding here this week.  I attacked it, getting in 
shape for what follows.  

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[RBW] Re: May Snow

[ascpgh]

Looks like great fun! 

Your fixed adventure has sure been some insight, especially given your 
terrain and the effect of precipitation on conditions.  

I sure will vouch about the hypothermia risks of wet/cold from 25-50°. Now 
snug in that band from your and some others' insights crediting Ventile 
particularly.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh (not 90°, but snowing six days ago)

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 6:19:12 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which there’s no chance it won’t. Grin.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/may-snow
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] FS: Hupe, D-A Levers, Clothing & Misc.

[islaysteve]

(Cross-posted from iBob): 
I have the following items for sale.  Prices do not include shipping.  
Here’s the link to photos (I’ve allowed access, but please let me know if 
it doesn’t work):  https://photos.app.goo.gl/SPWpaY2y4Tsu5TwC7

Pearl Izumi cycling jacket, blue, size M.  Single-layer wind jacket.  
Several years old but little wear, other than the elastic is somewhat old.  
One small pocket inside useable for keys.  Reflective piping.  Fits snug 
like P-I tends to do.  $20.

Zoic short sleeve cycling jersey, size L, grey.  Quarter-zip.  Nearly new, 
worn a few times.  One large and one small zippered pocket in rear.  $20.

Dura Ace Brake shift levers, 8-speed.  The original Shimano D-A brifters.  
Good condition with very slight scuffing on front, hoods show normal wear.  
Front cover name plates are faded, shown removed in photos but I will send 
with brifters.  New plates can be purchased on eBay. Note:  These levers 
will shift some but not all Shimano 8-speed groups.  If interested, I can 
provide further info.  These go for much more on eBay, I’d rather pass them 
on to list members.  $45/pr.

Rivendell Hupe detachable rear bag support.  If you are not familiar with 
this item, please research to see how it works, info might still be up on 
the Riv site.  Note:  Prone to scratching your frame.  I have covered the 
offending end with a plastic cap, but this is no guarantee that it will not 
scratch.  Use at your own (frame’s) risk.  $10.

Delta fork mount.  This is normally mounted to a pickup bed or similar 
location.  Shown on my Miata (Bleriot and Miata not included!).  This is a 
very strong version with loops in the levers to provide for a lock.  The 
mounting holes on this one have been enlarged slightly to accomodate the 
mounting area on my car.  If anything, this provides some flexibility for 
mounting.  $10.

Sea Sucker “Rear Wheel Strap”:  This is a strong suction cup with a velcro 
wheel strap to hold down a wheel; attaches to car body and is removable.  
Similar to this one: 
https://www.seasucker.com/collections/rack-accessories/products/rear-wheel-strap.
  
Works very well.  This and the fork mount above were used to create a trunk 
mount on my Miata.  I no longer have that car so am passing the mounts 
along.  $35 for Sea Sucker (sells new for $55).  

Or take all of the above for $99 plus shipping.  PM me via this list, reply 
here, or email directly to:  alkiremx5_at_veri2on_dot_n3t.  I will quote 
shipping based on items and your zip code.  Thanks for looking!  Steve

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