[RBW] Re: Cycling After Heart Valve Replacement

[matthew abreu]

Best of luck with that, brother.

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-7, PG wrote:
>
> I'm leaning towards the pig valve to avoid taking blood thinners for the 
> rest of my life...but I will ultimately leave up to my cardio guy.
>
> I have atrial flutter, although it seems to have gone away in the last 6 
> months. 
>
> Let's pencil in some time together. I'm going to be very busy with the 
> medical stuff in the upcoming few months, but maybe after?
>
> PG
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] PSA: 60cm orange Rambouillet complete $1450

[Mike Godwin]

I had a 62 cm, 90 cm pbh. About 6-finger fist full 'o seat post with B-17 
saddle. Not real sporty but no dog either. With a nice wheelset, its a good 
one. Parash, you still out there in RBW OB?

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[RBW] Re: Cycling After Heart Valve Replacement

[dougP]

By all means, avoid blood thinners if at all possible.  Regarding heart 
arrhythmias, read Leonard Zinn's "The Haywire Heart", detailing his 
personal battles as well as those of others who developed various rhythm 
problems.  The book gets into much more detail than a typical internet 
search will turn up and is presented in understandable language.  Highly 
recommend.

I have a daughter in Arroyo Grande so we're in the area often.  I'll stay 
in touch.  

doug peterson

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-7, PG wrote:
>
> I'm leaning towards the pig valve to avoid taking blood thinners for the 
> rest of my life...but I will ultimately leave up to my cardio guy.
>
> I have atrial flutter, although it seems to have gone away in the last 6 
> months. 
>
> Let's pencil in some time together. I'm going to be very busy with the 
> medical stuff in the upcoming few months, but maybe after?
>
> PG
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Patrick Moore]

Just re-read: 21 1/2 with sus fork and knobbies. Still ...

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:35 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> And that's with a suspension fork. I'm not sure if I should feel envious
> or not. But 19 lb -- my "gofast" fixie road bike weighs 18.1. The
> difference is principally all that carbon fiber, I guess.
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 3:46 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Lots of light stuff, including lots of carbon.  It weighs 21 pounds right
>> now with Thunder Burts (not the lightest variant) and a Fox 32 shock.  If I
>> swapped out the Fox shock for my Niner RDO carbon rigid fork, that would
>> drop about a 1-1/2 pounds, and I'm guessing the tires would drop a bit as
>> well.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Here it is being raced to 10th place at California State Championships,
>> Sophomore D1 Boys, by Keith.
>>
>>
>> The build list doesn't have anything crazy light, just a lot of light-ish
>> stuff.  It's a carbon frame, with carbon seatpost and handlebars, all
>> designed for heavy mountain bike use with no rider weight limit.  The
>> wheelset is all metal, by Industry 9.  They were about as light as I could
>> find for under $1000.  The 1x11 drivetrain is basic Shimano XT (shifter,
>> RDer and cassette).  The White Industries MR30 crankset isn't light.  I run
>> it because it is the only thing I could find in 172.5mm.  XTR pedals.  I
>> got a great deal on a carbon rail Fizik Arione saddle in White on ebay.
>> The brakes are by Hope, and are kind of light.  The rotors are inexpensive
>> Shimanos.  The Fox32 shock is pricey and pretty light.  One of the team
>> coaches who is more of an Enduro guy refers to my bike as a cyclocross
>> bike.
>>
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>>
>> El Cerrito Gauchos
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:36:06 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> 19 lb? How did you manage that? 19 lb is about 10 lb less than my
>>> Matthews weighs (tho' the 31 lb of the M includes full dyno lighting and a
>>> bulky Revelate frame bag with stuff in it, and a SQR block on the seatpost).
>>>
>>> You've probably posted photos of this bike before, but a reminder would
>>> be appreciated.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 I would totally run these on my 29" mountain bike, with a rigid fork.
 That bike would be around 19 pounds.  Imagine how fast that would be
 BOMBING down Mt Diablo, for example.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 8:48:35 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:

> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold:
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/7
> 00c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>
> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at
> about 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in
> here.
>
> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but
> I wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will
> only cost me a small fortune to find out.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Patrick Moore]

And that's with a suspension fork. I'm not sure if I should feel envious or
not. But 19 lb -- my "gofast" fixie road bike weighs 18.1. The difference
is principally all that carbon fiber, I guess.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 3:46 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Lots of light stuff, including lots of carbon.  It weighs 21 pounds right
> now with Thunder Burts (not the lightest variant) and a Fox 32 shock.  If I
> swapped out the Fox shock for my Niner RDO carbon rigid fork, that would
> drop about a 1-1/2 pounds, and I'm guessing the tires would drop a bit as
> well.
>
>
> 
>
> Here it is being raced to 10th place at California State Championships,
> Sophomore D1 Boys, by Keith.
>
>
> The build list doesn't have anything crazy light, just a lot of light-ish
> stuff.  It's a carbon frame, with carbon seatpost and handlebars, all
> designed for heavy mountain bike use with no rider weight limit.  The
> wheelset is all metal, by Industry 9.  They were about as light as I could
> find for under $1000.  The 1x11 drivetrain is basic Shimano XT (shifter,
> RDer and cassette).  The White Industries MR30 crankset isn't light.  I run
> it because it is the only thing I could find in 172.5mm.  XTR pedals.  I
> got a great deal on a carbon rail Fizik Arione saddle in White on ebay.
> The brakes are by Hope, and are kind of light.  The rotors are inexpensive
> Shimanos.  The Fox32 shock is pricey and pretty light.  One of the team
> coaches who is more of an Enduro guy refers to my bike as a cyclocross
> bike.
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito Gauchos
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:36:06 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> 19 lb? How did you manage that? 19 lb is about 10 lb less than my
>> Matthews weighs (tho' the 31 lb of the M includes full dyno lighting and a
>> bulky Revelate frame bag with stuff in it, and a SQR block on the seatpost).
>>
>> You've probably posted photos of this bike before, but a reminder would
>> be appreciated.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> I would totally run these on my 29" mountain bike, with a rigid fork.
>>> That bike would be around 19 pounds.  Imagine how fast that would be
>>> BOMBING down Mt Diablo, for example.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 8:48:35 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>>>
 Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold:
 https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/
 700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/

 I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about
 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.

 I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but
 I wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will
 only cost me a small fortune to find out.

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Patrick Moore]

Has there been careful testing of this, ie internal pressures pushing out
the wax and, for that matter, all lubes, and wet lubes flowing back in? At
any rate, I seem to be getting as good chain mileage, if not better, with
Molten wax as with "dry lubricants" - Pro Link, Purple Extreme, Orange Seal
to mention the last 3 I've used; and the Molten Wax is cleaner even than
these. I know that someone on the boblist has used plain paraffin for years
if not decades, and claims to get even better mileage from his chains than
Ron (This is Demitri.) Now whether he would get this mileage using no lube
at all, I don't know, but my mileage *with* expensive commercial lubes was
certainly not as good as he claims to get with wax.

Of course, perhaps dry lubes so called have the same defect, so that our
only hope for max chain life is a "wet lube"? In which case, for sand, I
have to say I'd rather have the lower chain life and no exterior grit -- a
wet lube in our sand makes a bloody mess and will certainly wear out cogs
and rings.

Also, if one gets as good chain life and performance with a wholly
neglected chain as with wax, I'd like to know, but I'm skeptical -- "dry"
chains certainly make more noise than waxed ones, a sign that something,
somewhere is not running as smoothly as it might.

Ron: Do you find that Molten Wax works well even in your winter and
post-monsoon "slop"?

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:

> ... The issue with wax is that it does not replenish itself once displaced
> by the pressure on the loaded part of the chain. Liquid lubricants do.
>
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[RBW] Re: Cycling After Heart Valve Replacement

[PG]

I'm leaning towards the pig valve to avoid taking blood thinners for the 
rest of my life...but I will ultimately leave up to my cardio guy.

I have atrial flutter, although it seems to have gone away in the last 6 
months. 

Let's pencil in some time together. I'm going to be very busy with the 
medical stuff in the upcoming few months, but maybe after?

PG



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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Adam in Indiana]

> "NO TOP TUBE THERE TO BONK YOUR YOO-HOO"

I had a good laugh at this one, too.  ^_^

And I'll chime in with everyone else; I love the catalog, fantastic work!  It 
captures the spirit and feel of browsing the website, but with a wonderfull 
tactile feel!

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 60cm orange Rambouillet complete $1450

[iamkeith]

I lack the language to describe ride characteristics well, but I have both 
a 60 Ram and a 60 Quickbeam - so close enough.   I'll say that, despite 
theIR similarities on paper, the subtle differences make them feel like 
very, very different bikes.  I'll also say that I would never, ever sell 
either one.

The Quickbeam has a tiny bit slacker head tube, a tiny bit more rake, a 1/2 
cm longer top tube (despite what the charts say) and, depending on the 
gearing choice, a bit longer effective chainstay length.  I don't 
understand why, but the QB feels like almost the perfect bike to me.  
Everything just works... except the lack of gears.   

The Ram doesn't fit my particular physique quite as well, but it is more 
comfortable on rough roads - I assume owing to a thinner, more compliant 
frame.  It is much more want to turn.   At slow speeds I'd call that 
"road-bike twitchy," but it is very stable at cruising speed and is one of 
the few bikes I still own that I can ride no-hands as much as i want.  
(nothing like my RB-1, for instance, in terms of twitchiness.)  It does 
have more TCO, so I really only use it for true road rides anyway, though. 
The difference in weight is not much, but it can be discerned if that's 
your thing.

So, to me, the Ram feels "quicker" and ideal for long day rides, but the QB 
feels like an extension of myself, so I'm more apt to sprint, throw my body 
weight around, and hot-dog it.  Hope that makes sense because, like I said, 
I'm no bike review journalist.

ON ANOTHER NOTE:  DAVE GROSSMAN, HAVE YOU SEEN THE OTHER THREAD REGARDING 
THE 62 EBAY AUCTION?

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 8:27:18 PM UTC-6, ilter saygin wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, 
>
> My SimpleOne with Albatross bars turned out to be a great commuter and a 
> very nice riding fun bike. That makes me want to try a drop bar Rivendell. 
> But I won't mess with my SimpleOne. 
>
> This orange Rambouillet looks very attractive! I wonder gow it compares to 
> bikes I already have.   Bit more sprightly than the SimpleOne?  Don't want 
> to start a long discussion but anyone know how it would compare to a 
> vintage Trek with reynolds 531 or ishiwata 22 tubing?  Talking about almost 
> identical sized frames here, 60cm & 61cm (24inch). Not asking about 
> geometry, I know all are similar enough for me. More curious about 
> sprightly-ness, since, you know, sprightly-ness is not only a word but also 
> a universal objective measure :))) 
>
> Ilter in Chicago

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[RBW] Re: Cycling After Heart Valve Replacement

[dougP]

Paul:

My brother has an artificial valve & continues to cycle, with his drs 
blessing.  The blood thinners to limit output such that it's impossible to 
make a hard effort.  Low gears allow him to continue cycling and doing 
hills, just more slowly than before.  

Best of luck with the procedure.  They've really improved over the years 
and there's always new developments.  BTW, I frequent the central coast, 
and have my own cardiac issues (afib) if you want to grab a coffee sometime 
& chat.  

dougP

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 7:27:32 PM UTC-7, PG wrote:
>
> It looks like I'm going to have my aortic heart valve replaced later this 
> summer. (I'm 65.)
>
> Has anyone here had that procedure? If so, were you able to continue 
> cycling? And, did you choose a bio (pig) or artificial valve?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Paul Gross
> Paso Robles, CA
>

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[RBW] Cycling After Heart Valve Replacement

[PG]

It looks like I'm going to have my aortic heart valve replaced later this 
summer. (I'm 65.)

Has anyone here had that procedure? If so, were you able to continue 
cycling? And, did you choose a bio (pig) or artificial valve?

Thanks in advance.

Paul Gross
Paso Robles, CA

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[RBW] PSA: 60cm orange Rambouillet complete $1450

[ilter saygin]

Hi everyone,

My SimpleOne with Albatross bars turned out to be a great commuter and a very 
nice riding fun bike. That makes me want to try a drop bar Rivendell. But I 
won't mess with my SimpleOne.

This orange Rambouillet looks very attractive! I wonder gow it compares to 
bikes I already have.   Bit more sprightly than the SimpleOne?  Don't want to 
start a long discussion but anyone know how it would compare to a vintage Trek 
with reynolds 531 or ishiwata 22 tubing?  Talking about almost identical sized 
frames here, 60cm & 61cm (24inch). Not asking about geometry, I know all are 
similar enough for me. More curious about sprightly-ness, since, you know, 
sprightly-ness is not only a word but also a universal objective measure :)))

Ilter in Chicago

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[RBW] Re: Flat Bottom Backpack

[Dave S]

My EDC is a TOPO mini mountain that I'm really happy with.  They have a few 
flat bottom choices.   https://topodesigns.com

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 2:00:54 PM UTC-4, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I just sold my Green Guru so that I can fund a new bag for my wife.  She 
> needs a new multi-use bag to use as a diaper bag/daily bag/life bag.
>
> She has a few requirements, one of which is hard to find.  She has a 
> nicely sized Burton but it does not have a flat bottom.  She puts the bag 
> down often and needs it stand up.  Her old diaper bag did this but it was 
> diaper specific and she would like something more durable and "worldly" 
> this time.
>
> She also needs a few pockets, not a million, and water bottle/side 
> sleeves.  The flat bottom portion being the biggie.
>
> Suggestions, please!
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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

How are you sure the wear particles and sand aren't from the exterior of 
the chain? Those can stick to the oil, but do nothing functional except 
gather at the bottom of your beaker during ultrasonic cleaning. The issue 
with wax is that it does not replenish itself once displaced by the 
pressure on the loaded part of the chain. Liquid lubricants do.

Have you ever tried not lubricating, so you can do a comparison to verify 
wax's efficacy on chain life?


On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 2:39:15 PM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I've covered this a few times and shared my results with Patrick before he 
> picked up the habit.  
> Ultrasonic cleaning of a chain lubed with liquid results in a teaspoon of 
> Wear particles and Sand, because liquid lube wets and sticks sand.  
> Here's the bottom of the beaker after a 700-mi run with molten speed wax, 
> and this is the typical result from almost 3 years' use.  
>
> 
> I get 700+ mi from one molten speed wax.  A pound waxes 20+ (clean) 
> chains.  So that's 15,000 clean miles.  
> Sand does not stick to a waxed chain.  All that sticks to it is calcium 
> chert, which will rinse away.  
> I ride a lot in winter slop and post-monsoon slop here
>
> 
> It's a no-brainer.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Joe Bernard]

I can't speak for Grant (obviously) but my eye for what looks "right" has 
changed drastically in the last 5-10 years. Heck, it's changed just since the 
Cheviot came out, which was, what, three years ago? It was cool in the original 
orange, but I still kinda saw a "girl's bike" when I looked at it. Now the 
toptube bisecting through the rear stays looks gorgeous and makes sense to my 
brain as a "way frames should go together." 

My diamond frame Crust road bike with disc brakes and gigantic 650B tires looks 
right, too, which wasn't even imaginable to me back in the day. I like that 
bikes change and we change how we see them. 

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[RBW] Re: Hubbabubba Frame For Sale

[M G]

A rooftop tandem carrier makes a big difference. 
Though we can easily fit our medium hubbah into our honda fit (front wheel 
off / seat posts out] / front seat down.
Re going around turns, i have found this to be a super maneuverable tandem, 
despite it's length [this is tandem #5 for us [in succession].  It has a 
very low stalling speed, but also for whatever reason, we feel much more 
comfortable leaning this one way over.
So45 seconds to get it into a honda fit, 3 minutes onto a rooftop 
carrier

This one, with the extra length chainstays...very intriguing.  

I like how our normal one rides with panniers at the back, i'd imagine 
longer chainstays = extra goodness for carrying stuff.

Ron

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 7:48:06 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear this didn't work out for you.  I have seen lots of 
> discussions around frame weights on the tandem list, which makes almost no 
> difference whatsoever, but no discussions about bike length, which is in 
> fact the most difficult aspect of tandems.  They are a challenge to 
> transport and to negotiate around tight turns.  RBW doesn't include the 
> hubahubahuba in its geometry chart and I am curious.  My large Bilenky 
> touring tandem measures 1880mm between the axles and has 26" wheels.  Can 
> anyone post this measurement for different size RBWs?
>
> I think it's regrettable that they didn't include at least one set of 
> couplers.  We take our bike apart all the time to fit it into our Golf 
> Wagon or Prius.  In a rain storm this takes less than 15 minutes!
>
> Michael
>
> On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 12:17:12 PM UTC-4, buixote wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Wanted to own a Riv, but this thing is just too long (20" longer than our 
>> Fisher Gemini). This one
>> is a *prototype*, so it's even longer than the production model (check 
>> out the chainstay!).
>>
>> I'm selling the Frame (gonna use the rest on my new Clem L). You keep the 
>> bottom brackets
>> headset, seatposts...
>>
>> Prefer not to ship, and happy to let you take it for a spin.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Bill Michel
>> REdwood City, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 62 Rambouillet 745$ complete bike ebay

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The starting bid was $1. It currently has 18 bids and is at $745 with 5 
days and change till end of auction. Yes, the *subject line* is misleading, 
unless at one point there was a Buy It Now at that price, although the BIN 
goes away, I believe after the first bid is placed.

A blue Ram frame/fork/headset sold for $560 on May 26th. No comparable 
complete bikes in the eBay 15-day archives.

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 6:22:03 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Misleading thread. $745 is the starting bid.
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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[MartyG]

I thought only Protovelos had testicals? Production bikes got the permacals. 

Grant, I’m interested in your current view of bike aesthetics. I think RR 35 
(30 something anyway) outlines what you felt was “Not the last word in bicycle 
looks”, and you remention a few details in the new catalog. Page 29. Seat post 
exposure formula? Tire to triangle symmetry? Permacal placement? The Toyo 
Atlantis I picked up recently pretty much matches your RR35 formula, but the 
new longboard version is a whole different thing. And then you (and Will) bring 
mixtes into the mix. All are fine looking bikes in my book, but is one more 
beautiful (or “right”) to you than the other now? Care to offer the next word? 

Martin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Eric Daume]

To convert from a sus fork to rigid, you need to figure out the sagged
length of your fork. You can estimate it by measuring the unsagged length,
then subtracting ~30% of your fork's travel. That's the new axle-to-crown
measurement you should shoot for to keep the handling similar. Then just
make sure your new fork fits your frame (likely tapered) and you're set to
go shopping. Oh, and make sure the new fork fits your front axle as well.
Boost, etc.

Eric

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> Now I am just being silly, but what things do I need to look for to see if
> I can put a rigid fork on my Santa Cruz?
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[RBW] FS: 1984 Univega Gran Turismo 54cm. 700c with good clearances. spectacular condition.

[Drw]

Ehhh Don’t quote me. It’s been a while. As I recall 38’s (the little big 
bens in the pics), without fenders, fit with room, but probably couldn’t go 
bigger with fenders. I vaguely remember thinking 43’s would be fine without 
fenders. Never fully pushed it to tire rubbing on frame. 

Great bike though. I’m such a sucker for the mid 80’s tourers. 

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[RBW] Re: Ottolock Initial Reviews???

[christian poppell]

I purchased one from the fine folks at Rivendell shortly after I made the 
initial post. Over the last week or so I have used it daily. 

*Things I like (:*

   1. It is light weight!
   2. Seemingly better than a cable lock or a intricately wrapped and tied 
   Johns Irish Strap
   3. I like that it is small and fits into my bag or on the bars.
   4. 30" of lock has been adequate for locking both the rear wheel and 
   frame around typical u-lockable pole shaped objects. When I use a U-lock 
   for the rear wheel, 30" has been more than adequate for locking the front 
   wheel to the frame.

*Things I don't like ): *

   1. Ergonomics. I feel like the button is on the wrong side when pulling 
   the strap through the lock.I feel a little like i have to contort my body 
   to lock the lock, I think this is just from me not being completely 
   familiar with the lock.
   2. The squishy silicon strap doohickey that keeps the lock wrapped on 
   itself. I got rid of it immediately. I just double coil the strap and lock 
   it. 

*Words of caution:*

I did manage to replicate the failure people had where the strap will pull 
through the lock, even after the combination has been changed. I did this 
by inserting the strap with the correct combination then stopping in 
between ratchets. It was repeatable but required some care to achieve. I 
discovered it shortly after locking it onto itself. From that point, I have 
always pull tested the lock before leaving. 

Overall, walking away after locking my bike with the Ottolock does not 
leave me warm and fuzzy like a quality U-lock. However, I feel the security 
of Ottolock does allow for what it is designed for which is quick trip 
inside the store. It should prevent anyone with a pair of bolt cutters or 
snips from quickly grabbing your bike and riding off. 

Thanks everyone for your input!

Christian
Berkeley, CA




On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 9:49:06 PM UTC-7, John Rinker wrote:
>
> Hey Christian,
>
> I've got a 30" that I've been using for a couple of months now, and I like 
> it just fine. Long enough to wrap around a post, rear wheel and seat tube, 
> and I cinch it up nice a tight (per the instructions). It's super light for 
> a lock and I really only trust it for quick stops. I watched the video 
> posted by tc and cannot relate to the videomaker's experience as my lock 
> seems tight and solid when locked. 
>
> For more heavy-duty security I use an ABUS U-lock mini 40; not as light as 
> the Ottolock, but pretty compact and seemingly bombproof. 
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 12:29:03 PM UTC-7, christian poppell wrote:
>>
>> Any users of the improved Ottolock out there? I heard the first batch was 
>> comically easy to "pick" the combination lock. They fixed it enough that 
>> Rivendell is now selling them. Anyone pick up the updated lock? Is 30" 
>> enough lock? I keep finding myself without a good locking solution for 
>> grocery and cafe stops. This looks like it could be a good option...
>>
>> Christian
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Karl]

That’s what started me down the rabbit hole Edwin! Good eyes. They rent her. 
Wouldn’t name a price. Been enjoying the Hubba around town!

Karl

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[RBW] Re: Hot waxing chains?

[Ron Mc]

this is really simple.  If you want a clean dry chain to put in your molten 
speed wax, use denatured alcohol last

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 7:59:23 AM UTC-5, eddietheflay wrote:
>
> the guy in the kitchen vid did not say anything about the alcohol step 
> after cleaning his new chain in mineral spirits.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Bill Lindsay]

Lots of light stuff, including lots of carbon.  It weighs 21 pounds right 
now with Thunder Burts (not the lightest variant) and a Fox 32 shock.  If I 
swapped out the Fox shock for my Niner RDO carbon rigid fork, that would 
drop about a 1-1/2 pounds, and I'm guessing the tires would drop a bit as 
well.  



Here it is being raced to 10th place at California State Championships, 
Sophomore D1 Boys, by Keith.  


The build list doesn't have anything crazy light, just a lot of light-ish 
stuff.  It's a carbon frame, with carbon seatpost and handlebars, all 
designed for heavy mountain bike use with no rider weight limit.  The 
wheelset is all metal, by Industry 9.  They were about as light as I could 
find for under $1000.  The 1x11 drivetrain is basic Shimano XT (shifter, 
RDer and cassette).  The White Industries MR30 crankset isn't light.  I run 
it because it is the only thing I could find in 172.5mm.  XTR pedals.  I 
got a great deal on a carbon rail Fizik Arione saddle in White on ebay.  
The brakes are by Hope, and are kind of light.  The rotors are inexpensive 
Shimanos.  The Fox32 shock is pricey and pretty light.  One of the team 
coaches who is more of an Enduro guy refers to my bike as a cyclocross 
bike.  


Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito Gauchos


On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:36:06 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 19 lb? How did you manage that? 19 lb is about 10 lb less than my Matthews 
> weighs (tho' the 31 lb of the M includes full dyno lighting and a bulky 
> Revelate frame bag with stuff in it, and a SQR block on the seatpost).
>
> You've probably posted photos of this bike before, but a reminder would be 
> appreciated.
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> I would totally run these on my 29" mountain bike, with a rigid fork.  
>> That bike would be around 19 pounds.  Imagine how fast that would be 
>> BOMBING down Mt Diablo, for example.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 8:48:35 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>>
>>> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: 
>>> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>>>
>>> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 
>>> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I 
>>> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only 
>>> cost me a small fortune to find out.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Keith. Can anyone describe the differences (in excessive detail)
between the lightest, bestest Big One (450 grams) and the ditto G One?

How do the Super Motos differ, besides weight? Beefier casings?

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 3:17 PM, iamkeith  wrote:

> Patrick,  as far as I know, the G Ones, Big Ones and Super Motos are all
> slightly different, and represent an evolutionary sucession of the same
> "beach racing" balloon tire concept. Each has replaced the other.  My super
> motos won't wear out, so that's the only one I've tried.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[iamkeith]

Patrick,  as far as I know, the G Ones, Big Ones and Super Motos are all 
slightly different, and represent an evolutionary sucession of the same "beach 
racing" balloon tire concept. Each has replaced the other.  My super motos 
won't wear out, so that's the only one I've tried.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Belopsky]

Now I am just being silly, but what things do I need to look for to see if 
I can put a rigid fork on my Santa Cruz?
>
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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Edwin W]

Karl,

Halcyon Bikes on 12th South had one of those out front in the last few 
months. You might check to see if it is still there. I think it was on 
consignment. 

Edwin

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:53:38 PM UTC-5, Karl wrote:
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> Congratulations Chris! Looks fun! Let me know if it doesn’t work out. I 
> have been pondering travel bikes lately! 
>
> Karl 
> Nashville, TN

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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Karl]

Congratulations Chris! Looks fun! Let me know if it doesn’t work out. I have 
been pondering travel bikes lately!

Karl
Nashville, TN

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Patrick Moore]

19 lb? How did you manage that? 19 lb is about 10 lb less than my Matthews
weighs (tho' the 31 lb of the M includes full dyno lighting and a bulky
Revelate frame bag with stuff in it, and a SQR block on the seatpost).

You've probably posted photos of this bike before, but a reminder would be
appreciated.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I would totally run these on my 29" mountain bike, with a rigid fork.
> That bike would be around 19 pounds.  Imagine how fast that would be
> BOMBING down Mt Diablo, for example.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 8:48:35 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>
>> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold:
>> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/
>> 700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>>
>> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about
>> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>>
>> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I
>> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only
>> cost me a small fortune to find out.
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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Bill Lindsay]

I would totally run these on my 29" mountain bike, with a rigid fork.  That 
bike would be around 19 pounds.  Imagine how fast that would be BOMBING 
down Mt Diablo, for example.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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>
> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: 
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>
> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 
> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>
> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I 
> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only 
> cost me a small fortune to find out.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Patrick Moore]

John: Please report quickly and thoroughly on your experience with the
(non-EL) Antelope Passes.

Edwin: Interesting: Jim G's Trail Calculator has a tire variables (bsd,
width) function, and I use the site more to find overall wheel diameter
than to figure out trail.

In any event, you have to go as skinny as 23 mm in a 700C size to get the
same diameter as a 650B X 42 tire -- 676 mm. (A 55 mm 559 tire gives almost
exactly the same figure.)

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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Edwin W]

Neil wrote: "I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal 
at about 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal?"
I have seen Jan's writing on optimal size (it seems like for him 650b at 
42), but he knows other people have different needs, either due to human 
size, frame size, or other things, they may want a tire as skinny as 26mm 
(is that the smallest they offer?) or as wide as 55mm.

Edwin

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 10:48:35 AM UTC-5, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: 
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>
> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 
> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>
> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I 
> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only 
> cost me a small fortune to find out.
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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[John Phillips]

I ordered a pair for my Hunqapillar in the standard casing. I love the 
Barlows & Snoqs, so I was too curious about these to wait and see what 
people had to say.

John

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 8:48:35 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: 
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>
> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 
> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>
> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I 
> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only 
> cost me a small fortune to find out.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Matt]

> I wish Schwalbe would hire a competent web designer and get all the model 
> variants with all the relevant information in one place.
>

+1 forever on this sentiment 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hot waxing chains?

[Patrick Moore]

The stuff collects at the bottom of the crockpot and, if you exercise
sufficient care and don't stir up the wax when you remove the chain, I
daresay it stays on the bottom and leaves only clean wax to penetrate the
innards of the chain. I'm still on the same 1 1/2 pint of mineral spirits I
first decanted for parts cleaning 2 years or so ago -- I just let the gunk
settle to the bottom.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

>
> With this method, the wax does collect fine crud ...
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hot waxing chains?

[Patrick Moore]

Dave has a hyper-thorough chain maintenance method, but Molten Wax works
well with less caring regimens, too. I thoroughly cleaned my chain before
the original waxing, per the company's instructions (mineral spirits and
hot water and detergent), but thereafter I've just removed the chain (still
clean on the outside despite our sand and dust) and plunked it onto the
cold, solid wax in the crockpot. Turn the crockpot on, walk away, come back
in an hour or so, dip out with a hook, wiped down*, let cool, and install.

With this method, the wax does collect fine crud and won't last as long,
but it's a heckofalot cleaner, and easier too, than dribbling lube from a
bottle onto the links, letting dry, and wiping thoroughly.

*This step removes most of the wax crust that otherwise forms on the chain
and flakes off on your garage floor.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 6:59 AM, eddietheflay  wrote:

> the guy in the kitchen vid did not say anything about the alcohol step
> after cleaning his new chain in mineral spirits.
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Re: [RBW] Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[KevinS]

Hey Tim, please let me know if they fit your BMC monster cross. I was 
thinking the exact same thing! Thanks.

Kevin

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 12:23:01 PM UTC-5, Tim O. (Portland, OR) wrote:
>
> I already ordered a set! Going to try these on my black mountain Monster 
> cross since I'm guessing they'll run small on my dyads. If they're too big, 
> I'll use them on my proto-Appaloosa. I've got the Schwalbe g ones on their 
> now, so it'll be interesting to compare.
>
> Tim "just spent lots of $ on tires" O.
> Portland OR
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Patrick Moore]

Keith: Are the G-Ones the same except in name to the Big Ones?

The Supermotos seem to be beefier (half again almost as much as the
lightest Big Ones), or do these also come in a very lightweight model? I
see that they do come in a 406 bsd size -- just what I need for the Hon
Solo -- except Jan is going to make a 50 mm EL tire for 20 inchers ...
right?

I wish Schwalbe would hire a competent web designer and get all the model
variants with all the relevant information in one place.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 1:01 PM, iamkeith  wrote:

> Interesting that the description specifically describes them as a tire for
> 'transforming your 29er mountain bike.'   That's not unlike the original
> 26x1.75 'compass' tires.  I don't think Jan had any delusions of them
> fitting many existing road bikes, but I'm sure some customs will follow.
> The fact that it's a bit smaller than the G-one/SuperMoto might make it
> appealing to more riders.
>
> I'm looking forward to hearing how they measure up in real life.  If
> they're a little under-sized, perhaps they'll fit a Quickbeam?
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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Philip Williamson]

Fitting a Quickbeam would require them to be pretty darned undersized. 
Could happen.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 12:01:06 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Interesting that the description specifically describes them as a tire for 
> 'transforming your 29er mountain bike.'   That's not unlike the original 
> 26x1.75 'compass' tires.  I don't think Jan had any delusions of them 
> fitting many existing road bikes, but I'm sure some customs will follow.  
> The fact that it's a bit smaller than the G-one/SuperMoto might make it 
> appealing to more riders.
>
> I'm looking forward to hearing how they measure up in real life.  If 
> they're a little under-sized, perhaps they'll fit a Quickbeam? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[ascpgh]

Oh man, I just pulled my old Karate Monkey out in the basement yesterday 
afternoon to start talking up my neighbor's son's summer of the bike. Once 
I get him all dialed in and see whether he clicks with cycling I might have 
to get a set of those. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 12:05:36 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> I am not sure which but 29er bikes right? So yeah, Karate Monkey or 
> anything else. 
> If one were to have any interest in converting a trail bike to this, it'd 
> work.
>
> would be silly on my Santa Cruz Chameleon but this was my old Salsa el 
> Mar..
> https://i.imgur.com/IwzKWOs.jpg
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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[iamkeith]

Interesting that the description specifically describes them as a tire for 
'transforming your 29er mountain bike.'   That's not unlike the original 
26x1.75 'compass' tires.  I don't think Jan had any delusions of them 
fitting many existing road bikes, but I'm sure some customs will follow.  
The fact that it's a bit smaller than the G-one/SuperMoto might make it 
appealing to more riders.

I'm looking forward to hearing how they measure up in real life.  If 
they're a little under-sized, perhaps they'll fit a Quickbeam? 

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Re: [RBW] Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Patrick Moore]

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I’ve been eyeing these since Jan teased them a while back and I may well
> give them a try on the Hunqapillar. However ... ThunderBurt 2.1” LiteSkin
> weigh 435g. Antelope Pass weigh 465g. So Compass’ weigh a bit more, and I’m
> uncertain for the riding I do the increased suppless will be a factor given
> how plush the ThunderBurts ride and I’d likely go with the standard to
> increase durability on trails when bikepacking (bike and load weighing
> about 75 pounds) and the nobbies are helpful on incongrous trails, ruts,
> etc.
>


For the technical stuff that I think you often ride, I would think that
knobs would be a big plus; I'd choose knobbies myself for that terrain.
Even for mostly flatland sand, knobs would be nice -- I've taken a couple
of spills in corners that could have hurt (were it not that I fell onto ---
sand), but for a combination of, more or less, 1/3 pavement to 2/3 flat
sandy surfaces, I'd rather have the advantage of no knobs than the
advantage of knobs.



> Why the change in Jan offering wider tires? Jan hasn’t said it that I’ve
> seen, but from observing his riding and writing, he is venturing even more
> off the beaten path and discovering the benifits of width outweigh the cost
> in ideal performance on smoother roads/narrower tires. That’s somewhat
> hinted at in the announcement quote below...
>

I think it's partly demand; people have been asking him for such tires for
a while now; the RTP seems to be a good seller, and I suspect that the AP
will be one, too.

At any rate, good to know that there are now 2 makers selling the sorts of
tires I like: fat and light 700C tires, and at-least-28-mm-wide 559 road
tires.

“Experienced riders can use these tires on rough trails, but they are not
> intended as true mountain bike tires. The supple sidewalls aren’t stiff
> enough to climb out of ruts, and the casing can suffer cuts if it’s forced
> into sharp rocks. We mostly intend them for riders who enjoy their 29er
> mountain bikes on gravel and paved roads. Under those conditions, Compass
> allroad tires will transform your bike’s performance. You’ll want to ride
> it everywhere… We can’t wait to see where people are taking their Antelope
> Hills!”
> — Quote from Jan’s Blog: https://janheine.wordpress.com
> /2018/06/05/compass-antelope-hill-700c-x-55-mm-tires/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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[RBW] Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Deacon Patrick]

I’ve been eyeing these since Jan teased them a while back and I may well give 
them a try on the Hunqapillar. However ... ThunderBurt 2.1” LiteSkin weigh 
435g. Antelope Pass weigh 465g. So Compass’ weigh a bit more, and I’m uncertain 
for the riding I do the increased suppless will be a factor given how plush the 
ThunderBurts ride and I’d likely go with the standard to increase durability on 
trails when bikepacking (bike and load weighing about 75 pounds) and the 
nobbies are helpful on incongrous trails, ruts, etc. 

Why the change in Jan offering wider tires? Jan hasn’t said it that I’ve seen, 
but from observing his riding and writing, he is venturing even more off the 
beaten path and discovering the benifits of width outweigh the cost in ideal 
performance on smoother roads/narrower tires. That’s somewhat hinted at in the 
announcement quote below...

“Experienced riders can use these tires on rough trails, but they are not 
intended as true mountain bike tires. The supple sidewalls aren’t stiff enough 
to climb out of ruts, and the casing can suffer cuts if it’s forced into sharp 
rocks. We mostly intend them for riders who enjoy their 29er mountain bikes on 
gravel and paved roads. Under those conditions, Compass allroad tires will 
transform your bike’s performance. You’ll want to ride it everywhere… We can’t 
wait to see where people are taking their Antelope Hills!”
— Quote from Jan’s Blog: 
https://janheine.wordpress.com/2018/06/05/compass-antelope-hill-700c-x-55-mm-tires/

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Grant Petersen]

Originally I had "testicals," (in that use it was referring to men), then
that became the proper spelling, "testicles," then Kim (the woman on the
cover of the '94 Bstone cat), was helping with proofing and judgment calls,
said to go with yoo-hoo, which I'd never heard of. In my circle, we call
'em as we see 'em. But--glad it worked!

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:38 AM, d2mini  wrote:

> "NO TOP TUBE THERE TO BONK YOUR YOO-HOO"
>
> I finally got a copy of the Riv catalog with my order and was just reading
> through it now.
> Thank god my last sip of a coffee was a few moments prior to reading that
> line and not during. LMAO!
>
> Thanks for the laugh, Grant. :)
>
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Re: [RBW] Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Patrick Moore]

I'll be very interested to hear how they compare with the G One.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Tim O. (Portland, OR) <
timothycharles...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I already ordered a set! Going to try these on my black mountain Monster
> cross since I'm guessing they'll run small on my dyads. If they're too big,
> I'll use them on my proto-Appaloosa. I've got the Schwalbe g ones on their
> now, so it'll be interesting to compare.
>
> Tim "just spent lots of $ on tires" O.
> Portland OR
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Re: [RBW] Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

I already ordered a set! Going to try these on my black mountain Monster cross 
since I'm guessing they'll run small on my dyads. If they're too big, I'll use 
them on my proto-Appaloosa. I've got the Schwalbe g ones on their now, so it'll 
be interesting to compare.

Tim "just spent lots of $ on tires" O.
Portland OR

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Re: [RBW] Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Reed Kennedy]

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 8:48 AM Neil Doran  wrote:.

>
> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I
> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only
> cost me a small fortune to find out.
>

I would be shocked (shocked, I say!) if this tire came anywhere near
fitting under a R559.

I know the R559 states it is 55-73mm reach, but it’s important to
understand how that’s measured. It’s from the center of the hole in the
fork crown to the top edge of the brake pad. There’s a lot of brake below
the center of the mounting bolt, and a little rim above where the top of
the brake pad strikes the rim.

My Paul Racer Medium calipers (47-57mm reach) clear a 38mm-measured tire
with the pads at the bottom of the slots (the 57mm setting). There is about
4mm to spare in my opinion. They don’t clear a 44mm-measured tire, I tried.
So the tire clearance of a center-mount brake seems to be about 15mm less
than the brake reach. (57mm - 42mm = 15mm)

Note that the Paul Racer makes extremely efficient use of space, one of the
reasons I love it. Most brakes will encroach on the top of the tire more
than the Paul Racer does.

Note also that most frames won’t put the brake shoes at the bottom of the
slots. You’ll want to measure to be sure what your actual brake reach is.

Assuming the best in all cases (clearance as good as the Paul Racer, pads
at the bottom of the R559 slots) you’d still be looking at 73mm-15mm =
58mm, and this is a 55mm tire. Does not look good.

Fortunately the Compass Snoqualmie Pass 700x44 is a great tire and should
fit well with good clearances.


Best,
Reed Kennedy
San Francisco, CA

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Re: [RBW] FS: 59 Clem H Frame/Fork/Headset - Grilver

[Virgil Staphbeard]

Haha I now know who outbid me!

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 9:26:38 AM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> Dang, I just bought a scratched up green frameset from eBay. The grilver 
> is a nicer color. Though I like the mustard of the Clem I sold last year 
> best of all. Go figure. 
>
> Eric
>
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018, tc > wrote:
>
>> $700.  
>>
>> This is the F/F/H from the complete that I've been unable to sell.  It 
>> has 20 miles on it, if that.  I've decided to transfer most of the 
>> components to my wife's Cheviot.
>>
>> If anyone is seriously interested, please send an email off list.  No 
>> pic's yet of the disassembled bike; those will be coming soon.  Pic's of 
>> the complete as it stands now are here:
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ykyb86tUQy07gVMh2
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Patrick Moore]

"I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about
35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here."

FWIW, I used to have a second, 35 mm (Kojaks) wheelset for my Fargo (the
main wheelset had 60 mm Big Apples) and the handling did improve, for that
bike (but those BAs were massively heavy -- 800 grams+ for the "lite"
ones). I expect that ideal handling for my Matthews would be on Barlows or
Snoqualmies; but that sand ...

The Matthews handles better than the Fargo with fat, lp tires.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Neil Doran  wrote:

> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold:
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-
> 700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>
> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about
> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>
> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I
> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only
> cost me a small fortune to find out.
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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Yes, these would definitely fit a 700c Clem and I'd be inclined to give 
them a try if my budget permitted it.  I have not tried Compass tires 
yet but previously had the Snoq. Pass on my radar for my 65cm 700c Clem H.  
I just kept the stock Kenda Kwick Nines until recently and finally 
installed some knobbies yesterday (Continental MountainKing 29x2.2 
Protection) which has already proved beneficial on my local trails which 
have suffered greatly with ruts and washout from all the northeastern rain 
the past few weeks.  There is a noticeable difference with some noise on 
pavement but not enough to bother me and worth the tradeoff of increased 
traction on the trail.   If I were to spend proportionally more time on 
pavement than trail with the Clem in the near future the Antelope 
Hill is now likely at the top of my want to try list.  As it is, however, 
trail miles currently exceed pavement by far and my total mileage is at a 
minimum in general right now so with lots of life still left in the stock 
Kendas I'm not likely to invest immediately in these new Compass offerings.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ 

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 12:07:26 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:

> Looks like the Riv line does have some bikes that would fit these, 
> starting with the larger Clems... Trying to suppress fantasies of a mutant 
> custom Roadeo with really big paws...
>
> rod
>
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 12:00:38 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> What he said, at the time, was 32mm, but that was part of nuanced 
>> argument, he got pushback from many of us (raises hand), and obligingly 
>> gave us Barlows, Bon Jons, and Snoqs. This is meant, I think, to complete 
>> the line of "Enduro Allroad" (Jan's term, perhaps short-lived) tires in 
>> this width range for the the 3 popular wheel sizes.  In the spirit of 
>> Pokemon (gotta get 'em all), I'm wondering about framesets that would give 
>> these a fair test. An old Karate Monkey? Anything Riv makes? Custom? I 
>> don't, out of hand, rule out rim brakes; my Trucker DeLuxe is doing nicely 
>> with cantis and Rat Trap Pass ELs, but these are definitely too fat for its 
>> 700c LHT brother. 
>>
>> rod
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 11:48:35 AM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:
>>>
>>> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: 
>>> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>>>
>>> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 
>>> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I 
>>> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only 
>>> cost me a small fortune to find out.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[d2mini]

"NO TOP TUBE THERE TO BONK YOUR YOO-HOO"

I finally got a copy of the Riv catalog with my order and was just reading 
through it now. 
Thank god my last sip of a coffee was a few moments prior to reading that 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Patrick Moore]

"Guerciotti". Sorry.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I really thought for a bit about a custom frame for Rat Trap Pass tires,
> disc brakes, and Riv-like road geometry, but decided to try a used and very
> affordable Guercotti, at least for now. (I'll have it modified for discs
> and install tubulars on wood rims ...)
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Rod Holland 
> wrote:
>
>> Looks like the Riv line does have some bikes that would fit these,
>> starting with the larger Clems... Trying to suppress fantasies of a mutant
>> custom Roadeo with really big paws...
>>
>> rod
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 12:00:38 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>>>
>>> What he said, at the time, was 32mm, but that was part of nuanced
>>> argument, he got pushback from many of us (raises hand), and obligingly
>>> gave us Barlows, Bon Jons, and Snoqs. This is meant, I think, to complete
>>> the line of "Enduro Allroad" (Jan's term, perhaps short-lived) tires in
>>> this width range for the the 3 popular wheel sizes.  In the spirit of
>>> Pokemon (gotta get 'em all), I'm wondering about framesets that would give
>>> these a fair test. An old Karate Monkey? Anything Riv makes? Custom? I
>>> don't, out of hand, rule out rim brakes; my Trucker DeLuxe is doing nicely
>>> with cantis and Rat Trap Pass ELs, but these are definitely too fat for its
>>> 700c LHT brother.
>>>
>>> rod
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 11:48:35 AM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:

 Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold:
 https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/7
 00c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/

 I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about
 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.

 I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but
 I wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will
 only cost me a small fortune to find out.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Belopsky]

yeah i wanted a 26" bike but then got my 650b rando ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Patrick Moore]

I really thought for a bit about a custom frame for Rat Trap Pass tires,
disc brakes, and Riv-like road geometry, but decided to try a used and very
affordable Guercotti, at least for now. (I'll have it modified for discs
and install tubulars on wood rims ...)

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Rod Holland  wrote:

> Looks like the Riv line does have some bikes that would fit these,
> starting with the larger Clems... Trying to suppress fantasies of a mutant
> custom Roadeo with really big paws...
>
> rod
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 12:00:38 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> What he said, at the time, was 32mm, but that was part of nuanced
>> argument, he got pushback from many of us (raises hand), and obligingly
>> gave us Barlows, Bon Jons, and Snoqs. This is meant, I think, to complete
>> the line of "Enduro Allroad" (Jan's term, perhaps short-lived) tires in
>> this width range for the the 3 popular wheel sizes.  In the spirit of
>> Pokemon (gotta get 'em all), I'm wondering about framesets that would give
>> these a fair test. An old Karate Monkey? Anything Riv makes? Custom? I
>> don't, out of hand, rule out rim brakes; my Trucker DeLuxe is doing nicely
>> with cantis and Rat Trap Pass ELs, but these are definitely too fat for its
>> 700c LHT brother.
>>
>> rod
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 11:48:35 AM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:
>>>
>>> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold:
>>> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/
>>> 700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>>>
>>> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about
>>> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I
>>> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only
>>> cost me a small fortune to find out.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Patrick Moore]

I'd love to try some Snoqualmie Pass tires on the Matthews (shod now with
the lightest Big Ones); I bet it would handle delightfully. But 44 mm is
too narrow for my terrain.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:00 AM, Rod Holland  wrote:

> What he said, at the time, was 32mm, but that was part of nuanced
> argument, he got pushback from many of us (raises hand), and obligingly
> gave us Barlows, Bon Jons, and Snoqs. This is meant, I think, to complete
> the line of "Enduro Allroad" (Jan's term, perhaps short-lived) tires in
> this width range for the the 3 popular wheel sizes.  In the spirit of
> Pokemon (gotta get 'em all), I'm wondering about framesets that would give
> these a fair test. An old Karate Monkey? Anything Riv makes? Custom? I
> don't, out of hand, rule out rim brakes; my Trucker DeLuxe is doing nicely
> with cantis and Rat Trap Pass ELs, but these are definitely too fat for its
> 700c LHT brother.
>
> rod
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 11:48:35 AM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:
>>
>> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold:
>> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/
>> 700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>>
>> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about
>> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>>
>> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I
>> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only
>> cost me a small fortune to find out.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Edwin W]

Bob,

I agree. I wouldn’t try on a Sam, but would be pretty sure these would fit on a 
Joe without fenders. And maybe even with! I’m cruising with the 44s in a 
befendered Joe and they are good. I had Schwalbe Furious Fred’s on there before 
and there was a little wiggle room. 

Rim width might make a little difference. 

I’ll be interested to hear what people find. 

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Patrick Moore]

Very interesting; odd how a company specializing in rando equipment seems
to have some good sellers in the fat tire market -- that is, if the these
match the Rat Trap Passes in popularity. I'll be interested in riding
reports and particularly width. If they roll as well as Big Ones, they will
roll very well indeed; perhaps they'll be even faster.

Aside: If anyone with Schwalbe Big Ones or their replacement model -- I
want the very lightest Schwalbe 700C X 60 -- decides to sell his or her
stock because he or she wants to purchase the Antelope Hills, I'll be happy
to talk. I rather suspect that the Big Ones are as supple as the AHs --
they're as light as the EL model, at ~450 grams -- and that they may wear
better, based on my experience with the Elk Pass.

OTOH, if the AHs measure 60+ on 27 inside/35 outside rims, well then ...
(The Big Ones measure 61 mm.)

Jan's remarks on tire width bore on handling and may be at least
theoretically true (ie, the academic truth may get swallowed up by other
things, such as overall perimeter weight, bike geometry, type of terrain).
But for float, cushion, and speed, I don't see why a 55 mm or 60 mm tire,
if very light, won't be pretty darned fast enough, and 60s sure get through
sandbetter than 50s, let alone 42s. (And, in my experience, 700C tires also
get through sand and over washboard better than 559s, width and other
things equal -- there's a good 3+ inches difference in diameter and it
seems to have this effect.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Neil Doran  wrote:

> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold:
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-
> 700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>
> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about
> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>
> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I
> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only
> cost me a small fortune to find out.
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[RBW] Re: What frame and build set make you a safer, slower rider?

[Kainalu V.]

Ron and Patrick- When I was a kid my dad (a physicist who worked as an engineer 
for M.I.T.'s Lincoln Laboratory for 50 years) told me to watch closely how my 
pinewood derby car acted during the big race. He explained before hand that my 
car, with it's weight pushed as far back as we could get it, would be behind 
the pack at the bottom of the ramp but would certainly win on the flat. It did 
every time and I walked away with the victory that day. So yes, weight forward 
or centered wins on the downhill, but if you want to have an easy fast coast 
through the flats you want that weight out back. A pannier system that 
relocated the load depending on level would be nice, but way off topic... 
As far as the topic is concerned, what Mark said about mixtes and keeping with 
the flow of traffic is spot on.
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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Belopsky]

Roadeo won't be what it is with tires like this you'd have to change geometry 
which would mean it's a completely different bike

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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Rod Holland]

Looks like the Riv line does have some bikes that would fit these, starting 
with the larger Clems... Trying to suppress fantasies of a mutant custom 
Roadeo with really big paws...

rod

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 12:00:38 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> What he said, at the time, was 32mm, but that was part of nuanced 
> argument, he got pushback from many of us (raises hand), and obligingly 
> gave us Barlows, Bon Jons, and Snoqs. This is meant, I think, to complete 
> the line of "Enduro Allroad" (Jan's term, perhaps short-lived) tires in 
> this width range for the the 3 popular wheel sizes.  In the spirit of 
> Pokemon (gotta get 'em all), I'm wondering about framesets that would give 
> these a fair test. An old Karate Monkey? Anything Riv makes? Custom? I 
> don't, out of hand, rule out rim brakes; my Trucker DeLuxe is doing nicely 
> with cantis and Rat Trap Pass ELs, but these are definitely too fat for its 
> 700c LHT brother. 
>
> rod
>
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 11:48:35 AM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:
>>
>> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: 
>> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>>
>> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 
>> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>>
>> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I 
>> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only 
>> cost me a small fortune to find out.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Belopsky]

I am not sure which but 29er bikes right? So yeah, Karate Monkey or 
anything else. 
If one were to have any interest in converting a trail bike to this, it'd 
work.

would be silly on my Santa Cruz Chameleon but this was my old Salsa el Mar..
https://i.imgur.com/IwzKWOs.jpg

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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Rod Holland]

What he said, at the time, was 32mm, but that was part of nuanced argument, 
he got pushback from many of us (raises hand), and obligingly gave us 
Barlows, Bon Jons, and Snoqs. This is meant, I think, to complete the line 
of "Enduro Allroad" (Jan's term, perhaps short-lived) tires in this width 
range for the the 3 popular wheel sizes.  In the spirit of Pokemon (gotta 
get 'em all), I'm wondering about framesets that would give these a fair 
test. An old Karate Monkey? Anything Riv makes? Custom? I don't, out of 
hand, rule out rim brakes; my Trucker DeLuxe is doing nicely with cantis 
and Rat Trap Pass ELs, but these are definitely too fat for its 700c LHT 
brother. 

rod

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 11:48:35 AM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: 
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>
> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 
> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>
> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I 
> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only 
> cost me a small fortune to find out.
>

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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Bob Lovejoy]

Not that I need to find out... but these should fit an un-fendered 
Appaloosa, correct?   Someone please try these and post pictures!

Bob
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Belopsky]

I wouldn't bother with side pulls and tires this big, but that's just me.
I do want to see what bikes will run these. I could see converting a 29er 
to run these as a 'go-fast-er' bike

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[RBW] Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Neil Doran]

Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: 
https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/

I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 
35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.

I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I 
wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only 
cost me a small fortune to find out.

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Tom Norton]

The question of how the hot wax can get inside the rollers was answered,for me, 
on a video. The Australian fellow used liquid paraffin along with the solid 
bars of paraffin when he melted it down in a Crock-Pot.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Complete Betty Foy - $1900

[Ken Hekman]

Now that we've established the size issue, the only thing left is to 
discern the fair market value. I am open to offers by private email. I'm 
eager for this bike to find a new owner who appreciates everything a 
rivbike stands for. 


On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 12:42:06 AM UTC-4, Ken Hekman wrote:
>
> Well I'm learning some nuances. I've attached pictures showing the tire 
> sidewall where it clearly reads 26 x 1 1/2 and another showing my tape 
> measure from the top of the tube to the center of the crank. I guess it is 
> closer to 58cm than anything else. I hope this clarifies what I have. 
> Thanks for the lessons. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 7:06:19 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>>When in doubt , always look at the ETRTO , (European Tire and Rim 
>> Technical Organization).  Apparently, according to this 
>> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html   ,   scroll down to the 
>> Fractional sizes and you'll see that 584 has referred to French , 
>> 26-1/2(650B). As ISO  standard 584 is known as* 650B, 26.5 AND "27 five" 
>> *.As the Decimal Standard, The "27 five" is referred to as the 
>> "*marketing 
>> term for wide knobby 584mm tires*".  
>>
>> The 27 five(27.5) is really where the confusion starts . The bandwagon 
>> jumping tire marketeers apparently looking for a way to market their tires 
>> as " shiny and NEW standard" , that was not a new at all but ever simply 
>> the already present 650B 26-1/2 French standard.  So now you find some 
>> mfrs. referring to 584 as 26-1/2 for road intended tires and 27.5 or even 
>> 27 for mtb off-road tires.   Confusing yes, but not really if you *stick 
>> with the ETRTO designation on the tire. *
>>
>> Seems to me the Fractional Standard is the most confusing of all , it's 
>> all over the place. 
>>
>>
>> 584mm is much closer to 559mm than 622mm anyways, hence the 26-1/2" 
>> French designation. 
>>
>>
>>
> On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 7:06:19 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>>When in doubt , always look at the ETRTO , (European Tire and Rim 
>> Technical Organization).  Apparently, according to this 
>> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html   ,   scroll down to the 
>> Fractional sizes and you'll see that 584 has referred to French , 
>> 26-1/2(650B). As ISO  standard 584 is known as* 650B, 26.5 AND "27 five" 
>> *.As the Decimal Standard, The "27 five" is referred to as the 
>> "*marketing 
>> term for wide knobby 584mm tires*".  
>>
>> The 27 five(27.5) is really where the confusion starts . The bandwagon 
>> jumping tire marketeers apparently looking for a way to market their tires 
>> as " shiny and NEW standard" , that was not a new at all but ever simply 
>> the already present 650B 26-1/2 French standard.  So now you find some 
>> mfrs. referring to 584 as 26-1/2 for road intended tires and 27.5 or even 
>> 27 for mtb off-road tires.   Confusing yes, but not really if you *stick 
>> with the ETRTO designation on the tire. *
>>
>> Seems to me the Fractional Standard is the most confusing of all , it's 
>> all over the place. 
>>
>>
>> 584mm is much closer to 559mm than 622mm anyways, hence the 26-1/2" 
>> French designation. 
>>
>>
>>
> On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 7:06:19 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>>When in doubt , always look at the ETRTO , (European Tire and Rim 
>> Technical Organization).  Apparently, according to this 
>> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html   ,   scroll down to the 
>> Fractional sizes and you'll see that 584 has referred to French , 
>> 26-1/2(650B). As ISO  standard 584 is known as* 650B, 26.5 AND "27 five" 
>> *.As the Decimal Standard, The "27 five" is referred to as the 
>> "*marketing 
>> term for wide knobby 584mm tires*".  
>>
>> The 27 five(27.5) is really where the confusion starts . The bandwagon 
>> jumping tire marketeers apparently looking for a way to market their tires 
>> as " shiny and NEW standard" , that was not a new at all but ever simply 
>> the already present 650B 26-1/2 French standard.  So now you find some 
>> mfrs. referring to 584 as 26-1/2 for road intended tires and 27.5 or even 
>> 27 for mtb off-road tires.   Confusing yes, but not really if you *stick 
>> with the ETRTO designation on the tire. *
>>
>> Seems to me the Fractional Standard is the most confusing of all , it's 
>> all over the place. 
>>
>>
>> 584mm is much closer to 559mm than 622mm anyways, hence the 26-1/2" 
>> French designation. 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Complete 63cm Rivendell Romulus - $1400

[Ken Hekman]

I am open to offers from those who appreciate a great rivbike. 

On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 2:26:55 PM UTC-4, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Try this... 4th page I think.
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/index.html
>
> I miss my Romulus!  One of the few bikes I truly regret selling...
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
> On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 1:16:28 PM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> I'm having trouble finding any Geo charts for the Romulus.  Anyone know 
>> where I can find one?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: 59 Clem H Frame/Fork/Headset - Grilver

[Eric Daume]

Dang, I just bought a scratched up green frameset from eBay. The grilver is
a nicer color. Though I like the mustard of the Clem I sold last year best
of all. Go figure.

Eric

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018, tc  wrote:

> $700.
>
> This is the F/F/H from the complete that I've been unable to sell.  It has
> 20 miles on it, if that.  I've decided to transfer most of the components
> to my wife's Cheviot.
>
> If anyone is seriously interested, please send an email off list.  No
> pic's yet of the disassembled bike; those will be coming soon.  Pic's of
> the complete as it stands now are here:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ykyb86tUQy07gVMh2
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What frame and build set make you a safer, slower rider?

[John Woo]

Love your pannier. Looks like you could fit at least a week of groceries in 
there. 


> On Jun 5, 2018, at 8:54 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oops! Forgot my favorite safety accessory. I've purchased a few of these from 
> Rivendell over the years:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 6:40:12 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>> Visibility is certainly a good idea.
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[RBW] Re: Hot waxing chains?

[eddietheflay]

the guy in the kitchen vid did not say anything about the alcohol step 
after cleaning his new chain in mineral spirits.

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 4:54:19 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I did a search on this and was surprised not to find anything. (Except 
> waxing cloth!)
>
> After 40+ years of cleaning and lubing chains I may be ready to try wax. 
>  I recently got a recipe & process on the tandem list but wondered about 
> the experience of people on this list.  How much extra work is it?  How 
> much longer does it last than "dry lubes?"  Does it make a difference what 
> kind of environment you ride in, eg, Santa Fe vs Seattle?
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Adam in Indiana]

I'm joining this discussion a little late, but my wife and I have a Bike Friday 
Family Tandem with the SRAM DualDrive.  I will agree that it doesn't ride quite 
the same (as well?) as a "regular" bike, but we do have a lot fun on it.  
Obviously, being able to pack a tandem into the trunk of a small car is a big 
perk, and it only takes about 15 minutes or so once you get the hang of it.

On another note, I love the DualDrive setup... Wish it was more popular and 
available!

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[RBW] Re: What frame and build set make you a safer, slower rider?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oops! Forgot my favorite safety accessory. I've purchased a few of these 
from Rivendell over the years:




On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 6:40:12 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Visibility is certainly a good idea.
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[RBW] FS: 59 Clem H Frame/Fork/Headset - Grilver

[tc]

$700.  

This is the F/F/H from the complete that I've been unable to sell.  It has 
20 miles on it, if that.  I've decided to transfer most of the components 
to my wife's Cheviot.

If anyone is seriously interested, please send an email off list.  No pic's 
yet of the disassembled bike; those will be coming soon.  Pic's of the 
complete as it stands now are here:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ykyb86tUQy07gVMh2

Thanks,
Tom

  

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[RBW] Re: What do Riv riders like for front low rider racks?

[Edwin W]

Dave,
Tubus Smarti? Discontinued, but a few around. I had never heard of those. And 
they might work. I have 44-622 tires on mine. What size tires do you have?
Can you take a picture of the clearance at the hoop?  
They are (were) advertised for up to 622 wheels, but they did not specify tire 
size. 

Thanks!

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Michael Hechmer]

As the new comer to the idea of waxing chains I went to youtube for a demo. 
 There are quite a few ranging from how to to comparison test.  One that I 
found helpful was "Molten SpeedWax - The Epic guide to Chain Waxing  It's 
here  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKIJLBgtw1c

Michael

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 2:43:41 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'm good for it.
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> ...  If we don't win the California State Championship in 2019 I'll come 
>> after Patrick Moore for a $50 refund.  
>>
>>

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