date:20181002


Well, we can be pretty sure the Confrerie tires fit the Confrerie rims...


On 10/02/2018 09:29 PM, masmojo wrote:

Depending on the width of your rims you probably don't want to go much narrower 
then 32mm. Most 650b rims are mediumish width so a narrow tire would probably 
be challenging.



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Re: [RBW] FREE* Schwalbe Inner Tube SV19A (Presta) NIB - 650B x 54-60mm / 700c x 38-60mm

Hey LeRoy,

You probably know this, but just in case: The Schwalbe tubes come with a
Presta nut with a little raised extra part the diameter of a Schrader hole.
I assume you prefer Schrader valves for reasons of pumps or
standardization, but if you're just worried about fit, fret not. It'll fit
great.

This link has pictures of the three popular converters:
https://bicycles.stackexchange.com/questions/18859/does-valve-stem-diameter-matter-for-my-rims
The Schwalbe one is similar to (but not the same as) the one in the middle.


Best,
Reed

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 4:02 PM LeRoy  wrote:

> When something is offered for "Free" with an asterisk (*), you have to
> ask, "What's the catch?" So, the catch here is that you get the
> new-in-the-box tube for free *if you pay the shipping*.
>
> I made a rookie mistake and bought a spare tube in the right size, but
> with a Presta valve instead of Schrader. My loss, your potential gain.
> Please send me a PM with your Zip Code and I'll figure out shipping. It
> will probably go in the lease expensive Priority Mail Flat Rate Box. First
> come, first served. PayPal F preferred.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

Spoke with Bruce off-list a bit and he helped me track down this archive of
an old Riv web page that does indeed list the Ram tubing specs:
https://web.archive.org/web/20070513053057/http://rivbike.com/webalog/frames/50074.html

It's listed as .8/.5/.8 OS, exactly as Bruce said. Excitingly, that almost
perfectly matches the measurements I recently took from a 64cm Ram:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XeS2nJhBPSDRbqgG1-F2VOI_vK1QZnZmysARDJWyGps/edit?usp=sharing

I took the measurements before I saw those specs, so that validates my
results nicely.


Best,
Reed

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 1:53 PM Reed Kennedy  wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM Bruce Herbitter 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes Kieran it’s .8/.5/.8
>>
>
> Hey Bruce, thanks for sharing that. Would you mind letting us know how you
> came by that information?
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Kieran J  wrote:
>>
>> Too bad I didn't have my Ram at the Unmeeting. I've always assumed it's
>> OS 8-5-8 but since it's the biggest size, I'd sure like confirmation. Maybe
>> some day :-D
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 11:02:52 AM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>>
>>> Grant describes the differences between the Romulus and the Rambouillet
>>> (and the AHH) here, a bit down the page:
>>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/index.html
>>>
>>> He doesn't mention any tubing changes, so I suspect they're the same. I
>>> haven't gotten to measure one yet, though. Hope to track one down before
>>> too long!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Reed
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:34 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone know if the Romulus used the same tubing as the Ram?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

2018-10-02 Thread masmojo

I just emailed them again,  asking for status and so far nothing!

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b narrow tires

2018-10-02 Thread masmojo

Depending on the width of your rims you probably don't want to go much narrower 
then 32mm. Most 650b rims are mediumish width so a narrow tire would probably 
be challenging. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Completely knackered Brooks B68 (Going to try re-hanging a leather top)

2018-10-02 Thread LeRoy

Bump, remaining optimistic.

LeRoy

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[RBW] Re: Kid Clemmin' & The Morally Indignant Motorist

2018-10-02 Thread jack loudon

I was on the other side of the scenario once, as a would-be helpful driver 
being yelled at by a cyclist.  There is a narrow 2-lane road in Seattle 
that winds through a park (the Arboretum, for locals), that is also a main 
thoroughfare and very busy.  It also has no shoulders, so it's difficult 
for cars to get around cyclists.  While a few hardy cyclists ride through, 
most, like me, take the bike route nearby that roughly parallels this 
road.  One day I was driving through the Arboretum and saw a father and son 
ahead, on two separate bikes.  Many cars were stacked up behind these two, 
and one by one they impatiently accelerated past when the opposite lane was 
clear.  When it was my turn behind them, I noticed the boy was pretty 
young, maybe 8 or 9.  He was sobbing and clearly unhappy.  When I pulled 
out to pass, I rolled down my window, smiled at them, and mentioned the 
nearby bike route, thinking they might be glad to get off the busy road.  
Well, the father unleashed a torrent of abusive language at me, including 
frequent use of the F-word, all in front of his son.  The dad was 
undoubtedly frazzled from the traffic, but I felt really, really bad for 
his son; that he had to have such a jerk for a dad.

Jack ("no good deed goes unpunished")



On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 1:15:54 PM UTC-7, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
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> Yesterday I had a pleasant day with the family, with the exception of 
> having the pleasure of being heckled/scolded/yelled at for the first time 
> in years while riding a bicycle in public... while riding with our 14month 
> old son... because I was riding with my 14month old son.
>
> We decided to take our son apple picking at a nearby orchard only 2 miles 
> away.  The majority of the route cuts through a network of parks and 
> multiuse trails in preserved farmland/meadows but does require some 
> pavement (along two different 2 lane roads.)  Naturally, being cyclists and 
> having bikes and gear suitable for carrying a few extra pounds of flesh and 
> produce we decided to keep the car parked for the day and take the scenic 
> route and make an afternoon of it considering the close proximity, familiar 
> route, and favorable weather.
>
> The off pavement portion is on multiuse paths to which we directly connect 
> through a park at the back of our neighborhood.  Part of the trail runs 
> parallel to one of the paved roads we'll need to double-back on to ride 
> for 1000 to 2000ft before turning onto the intersecting road on 
> which the orchard is located a mile further down.
>
> En route to the farm, during that first 1000-2000ft straight paved 
> section, is where we encountered the indignant motorist.  The road is an 
> old 2-lane farm road and admittedly not ideal for cycling with an 
> insufficient shoulder and drainage ditches on either side, but not very 
> heavily trafficked.  We entered the road with a right hand turn at the 
> nearest crossing, my son and I out front with my wife trailing a couple 
> hundred feet or so behind.  As we were nearing the left turn I glance back 
> and see a vehicle approaching from a slight distance back behind my 
> wife but with lots of space still between us (and the vehicle) and the 
> intersection almost upon us I deliberately signal our turn and begin to 
> take the lane for the final 50yds or so.  As we complete our turn and begin 
> to head into the last mile on the even less trafficked 2 lane 
> residential/rural road the driver proceeds to yell "...something something 
> something... with an f#$%!ng child you f#$%!ng a-hole!" just as he floors 
> the gas to accelerate and regain his desired mph.
>
> There was nothing confrontational about the situation otherwise... we were 
> never even close enough to make eye contact, the driver never attempted to 
> pass aggressively or do anything to otherwise put us in harms way, nor did 
> I make any abrupt or sudden movements, etc.  This was the first vehicle to 
> encounter us heading in the same direction for the entire short stretch and 
> I made what I felt was the safest and most reasonable decision after 
> surveying our surroundings by taking the lane and swiftly turning off the 
> busier of the two roads while we had the space and timing to safely do so.
>
> Our child's safety is something we certainly do not take lightly.  I could 
> sympathize with concern over the general element of risk of cycling on 
> today's roads, and yes, this same risk clearly extends to my child 
> passenger but apparently this person was so deeply offended enough by our 
> actions of simply cycling with a toddler that they felt the need to erupt 
> into an outburst of anger as they sped past... the irony of which is that 
> in their final moment within our limited interaction they did nothing more 
> than demonstrate the exact kind of driving behavior that puts all 
> cyclists/pedestrians/motorists at risk (distracted/aggressive/etc.) and 
> would jeopardize the safety of the child they seemed

[RBW] Re: Feedback? Velo Orange Double Kickstand

2018-10-02 Thread 'Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch

I have a Copenhagen on one bike, and a Pletscher on the other.  The 
Copenhagen seems bulkier than the Pletscher, but I think it is actually 
slightly lighter weight.  The adjustability and large feet and cheaper 
price make the VO pretty attractive.  The both work about the same as far 
as I can tell.

-Eric

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[RBW] Velocity Atlas Road Wheelset 650b Rim Brakes & Compass Loup Pass Tires

2018-10-02 Thread RDS

Lightly used wheelset for sale.  Velocity Atlas (purchased from Velocity) 
road wheelset in size 650B.  Velocity hubs.  Front 36 spokes.  Rear 40 
spokes.  Rim Brakes.  130 rear spacing.  They have less than 20 miles on 
the rims.  I sold the frame that I was going to use them on, so I no longer 
have use for them.  Purchased earlier this year from Velocity.  Paid $400+, 
I'll take $250 + plus shipping to continental USA.  Contact me off list.

I also have 2 Compass Loup/Loup Pass tires for sale in size 650x38.  Less 
than 20 miles on them.  Plenty of good tread remaining.  I'll take $50 
shipped to continental USA (that includes shipping).  I have the schwalbe 
tubes to go along with it if you want those included.  Contact me off list.

Paypal friends and family for payment.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=19dPb1hda09j883FtdDBEQ4HoUmvN_4rH

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[RBW] FREE* Schwalbe Inner Tube SV19A (Presta) NIB - 650B x 54-60mm / 700c x 38-60mm

2018-10-02 Thread LeRoy

When something is offered for "Free" with an asterisk (*), you have to ask, 
"What's the catch?" So, the catch here is that you get the new-in-the-box 
tube for free *if you pay the shipping*.

I made a rookie mistake and bought a spare tube in the right size, but with 
a Presta valve instead of Schrader. My loss, your potential gain. Please 
send me a PM with your Zip Code and I'll figure out shipping. It will 
probably go in the lease expensive Priority Mail Flat Rate Box. First come, 
first served. PayPal F preferred.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell All Rounder ridden less than 10 times!

2018-10-02 Thread KenP

Cyclofiend web has an image of the specs for the early bikes: 
http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_framespecs.jpg

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 11:26:40 AM UTC-4, kevin spicher wrote:
>
> I will continue to post all requested measurements I receive via email.
> 20 3/4" from center of crank bolt to top of top tube. 
> I think this is the most this bike has ever been measured. :-)
>
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:46:35 AM UTC-7, kevin spicher wrote:
>>
>> 21 1/2" TTL from center of head tube to center of seat tube.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 10:32:22 AM UTC-7, kevin spicher wrote:
>>>
>>> Rivendell All Rounder ridden less than 10 times. Bought in 1997 (I 
>>> think, could have been 1998)
>>>
>>> This is my wifes bike, she is 5'7" 32" inseam.
>>>
>>> I'm selling it for her because she is not interested in riding it and 
>>> she would like to sell it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Will ship if buyer pays shipping, and details how and where bike is to 
>>> be shipped from (specific bike shop etc.)
>>>
>>> Bike is located in Phoenix AZ
>>>
>>> $1500.00 or best offer.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b narrow tires

So is that what this is in aid of, really small size road bikes? Time 
was, 650C was the size of choice for really small road bikes even though 
only really narrow tires were available in that size. It might have made 
sense for manufacturers to go to 559 for such bikes -- it seems so 
quaint now to think that at one time 559 was so popular -- but there 
never were many high quality roadie-narrow tires in that size, and of 
course now some are floating the idea that 559 is obsolete.  Perhaps 584 
roadie-narrow tires aren't so crazy after all if you must have narrow 
tires: the issue of small frames having trouble fitting a 700C wheel 
without strange geometry compromises hasn't gone away, and a 28-584 
wheel is going to be substantially smaller in diameter than even a 
23-722 (that, after all, is about the same size as a 42-584!) and 28mm > 
23mm.



On 10/02/2018 06:26 PM, G.E. wrote:
Ha! Yes, possibly, but I'm a bit of a hobbit anyway, so I'm used to 
bikes that look small.


On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:01:42 PM UTC-6, Lum Gim Fong wrote:


28 might look funny in such a wide fork of a 650b bike.



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Re: [RBW] 650b narrow tires

Some, possibly all, of those may be more available in Europe than in the 
US.  I've ordered from UK sites with no difficulty at all.



On 10/02/2018 06:27 PM, G.E. wrote:
Thanks, Steve! That is far more options than I thought would be 
available. Appreciate it.


On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:04:54 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:

Yes. The Confrerie tire is nominally 32mm but may be narrower in real
life

https://www.xxcycle.com/tyre-hutchinson-confrerie-des-650b-275-650-b-ts,,en.php




and I believe Schwalbe now has a 25mm 650b tire, the Pro One 25-584
https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/683
 and a 28mm Procore 28-584
https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/614
 and another 28mm Durano DD
https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/699


Continental also has a 28mm 650B tire

https://ebike.hu/products/wheel/tires/other-sizes/26-inch-traditional/118558_continental-grand-prix-26-inch-tire-28-584/





On 10/02/2018 05:50 PM, G.E. wrote:
> I realize this is a strange thing to be asking (particularly here,
> since most are riding wider tires), and normally I'd be looking for
> the widest possible tire to fit on a bike myself, but I'm
curious if
> anyone has seen and/or used a 650b tire that is 30mm or
narrower? I've
> seen a couple of options in a 32mm, but am specifically hunting for
> something narrower than that. Though it's unlikely to exist, I
thought
> perhaps someone may have run across a tire of this sort.

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Re: [RBW] 650b narrow tires

Thanks, Steve! That is far more options than I thought would be available. 
Appreciate it.

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:04:54 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Yes.  The Confrerie tire is nominally 32mm but may be narrower in real 
> life 
>
> https://www.xxcycle.com/tyre-hutchinson-confrerie-des-650b-275-650-b-ts,,en.php
>  
>
> and I believe Schwalbe now has a 25mm 650b tire, the Pro One 25-584  
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/683  and a 28mm Procore 28-584  
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/614 and another 28mm Durano DD  
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/699 
>
> Continental also has a 28mm 650B tire 
>
> https://ebike.hu/products/wheel/tires/other-sizes/26-inch-traditional/118558_continental-grand-prix-26-inch-tire-28-584/
>  
>
>
> On 10/02/2018 05:50 PM, G.E. wrote: 
> > I realize this is a strange thing to be asking (particularly here, 
> > since most are riding wider tires), and normally I'd be looking for 
> > the widest possible tire to fit on a bike myself, but I'm curious if 
> > anyone has seen and/or used a 650b tire that is 30mm or narrower? I've 
> > seen a couple of options in a 32mm, but am specifically hunting for 
> > something narrower than that. Though it's unlikely to exist, I thought 
> > perhaps someone may have run across a tire of this sort. 
>
> -- 
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA 
>
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[RBW] Re: 650b narrow tires

Ha! Yes, possibly, but I'm a bit of a hobbit anyway, so I'm used to bikes 
that look small.

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:01:42 PM UTC-6, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
>
> 28 might look funny in such a wide fork of a 650b bike.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: MIT 64cm Homer

Yes, he should definitely only make the bikes he wants to make. And they 
are functional and very interesting.
But I feel like they are phasing out the bikes that interest me. Not that 
that matters.
Just leaves a sigh in hopes that in the future, if I want another Rivbike, 
they will have something to offer that I will like since I only have ridden 
Rivbikes since 2012, and I don't want to ride any other 
brand...okay...maybe a Boulder Road Sport.

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[RBW] Re: 650b narrow tires

Bleriot with 32 Cypres:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/hT6337
https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/69d2s3

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[RBW] Re: MIT 64cm Homer

2018-10-02 Thread Joe Bernard

The thing with RBW is it's not a big bike company trying to fill market niches. 
It's Grant, and he has always pushed the envelope of what a bicycle can look 
and feel like to get it to work better for the everyday "going for a ride" 
rider. Remember when the big guys decided "plush" was a thing, and suddenly 
road bikes sprouted higher bars, longer caliper brakes and fatter tires? That 
came strictly from Grant's insistence that road bikes could become better for 
most of the unracers who were buying them. 

Now that the comfort revolution is complete in Big Company World, Rivs are 
stretching boundaries again. I think it's good for biking, plus it kinda 
doesn't matter if it's not. Grant runs the joint and he's building the bikes he 
wants to see. I think that's cool!

Joe Bernard 

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Re: [RBW] 650b narrow tires

Yes. The Confrerie tire is nominally 32mm but may be narrower in real
life
https://www.xxcycle.com/tyre-hutchinson-confrerie-des-650b-275-650-b-ts,,en.php

and I believe Schwalbe now has a 25mm 650b tire, the Pro One 25-584
https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/683 and a 28mm Procore 28-584
https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/614 and another 28mm Durano DD
https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/699

Continental also has a 28mm 650B tire
https://ebike.hu/products/wheel/tires/other-sizes/26-inch-traditional/118558_continental-grand-prix-26-inch-tire-28-584/

On 10/02/2018 05:50 PM, G.E. wrote:
I realize this is a strange thing to be asking (particularly here,
since most are riding wider tires), and normally I'd be looking for
the widest possible tire to fit on a bike myself, but I'm curious if
anyone has seen and/or used a 650b tire that is 30mm or narrower? I've
seen a couple of options in a 32mm, but am specifically hunting for
something narrower than that. Though it's unlikely to exist, I thought
perhaps someone may have run across a tire of this sort.

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[RBW] Re: 650b narrow tires

32 Cypres narrowest I used.

28 might look funny in such a wide fork of a 650b bike.
Plus, the height of the bb would probably drop alot.
I noticed when I switched from 42 Hetres to 32 650b Cypres, the bike looked 
like it shrunk. But I liked it!!
Rode great.
28's would make it look really low.

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[RBW] Re: Film Processing

My Great Uncle and my Dad both had darkrooms in their basements. Ah, that 
sour chemical smell! Takes me back to 1974.
My Great Uncle served in WWII in Bermuda (the whole war), and iirc,  and 
did photography for the Army, who were decoding Japanese intercepted 
messages or something like that.

My Uncle and Dad were enthusiasts back in the 40's-80's. They were always 
outdoors laying in the grass on their sides or backs holding their cameras 
at odd angles trying to get the shot they wanted of the flowers, or us 
kids, or other relatives. I should post some of them. My Uncle took a shot 
of me chalking the sidewalk at two years old and it won for best pic in the 
Baltimore Sun. My other Uncle took lots of shots of what appeared to be 
dilapidated Baltimore housing. He and my dad were later into taking pics of 
what I thought were very odd things. Like a corner in the ceiling of a 
stairwell. Seemed like they liked intersecting lines and how shadows and 
light played upon them.

I never got into photography myself, but I still remember the metallic 
smell of the camera components, when they would let me shoot.



 

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[RBW] Re: Feedback? Velo Orange Double Kickstand

2018-10-02 Thread Tully Lanter

Another plug for the VO wheel stabilizer alongside any kickstand. That's a 
game-changer with a front basket carrying more than a negligible load. It 
also makes bike through tight spaces a lot easier. Our apartment's walls 
have certainly benefited...

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:44:32 PM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>
> I have the vo on my weirdo cargo bike. It doesn’t feel as sturdy as a 
> pletscher ( I don’t know if I agree that the pletscher is lighter), but I 
> like the adjustable legs that don’t require cutting. You can kind of fine 
> tune it that way and get it to sit a little straighter. 

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[RBW] 650b narrow tires

I realize this is a strange thing to be asking (particularly here, since 
most are riding wider tires), and normally I'd be looking for the widest 
possible tire to fit on a bike myself, but I'm curious if anyone has seen 
and/or used a 650b tire that is 30mm or narrower? I've seen a couple of 
options in a 32mm, but am specifically hunting for something narrower than 
that. Though it's unlikely to exist, I thought perhaps someone may have run 
across a tire of this sort.

Thanks in advance! 

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[RBW] Re: New Rosco Cargo Mixte

That is the coolest, weirdest, funnest, raddest thing I've seen for some 
time! Hope you get lots of use out of/with it. Two enthusiastic thumbs up!!

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[RBW] Re: MIT 64cm Homer

Seems like RBW is really getting away from diamond frames now.
Everything is getting to look like beach bikes or comfort/hybrid/mountain 
bikes.

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[RBW] FS: Winter Built Box Dog Bikes Pelican

I have acquired too many of the same sort of bicycle (I don't know if 
that's really possible, but I'm running out of space, so I'm going with 
it), and am selling my 48cm Box Dog Bikes Pelican frame/fork. Box Dog no 
longer makes this size, so for a smaller rider who has wants this frame, 
this may be the opportunity. Link to photos are here 
 (geo 
chart included in photo link as well). 

I bought this to be my longer-distance rider and it's been a sweet little 
bike, but as stated above, I've acquired several of the same type of bike 
and I have to start clearing some things out. It doesn't have a ton of 
miles on it (less than 500 miles) and it's never been crashed. There are no 
dents, gouges, etc on the frame. There are some wear spots (to be expected 
with use - see photos), but overall it's a very clean frame/fork.

The sale will include the frame, fork, Velo Orange Grand Cru headset and 
the downtube cable stops. The current price on these Pelican frames is 
$2,000. Price for this one is $1200 (+ shipping costs through Bike Flights 
-- probably around $50-60, depending on where the buyer is in the U.S.).

Happy to answer any questions here or via Direct Message. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM Bruce Herbitter 
wrote:

> Yes Kieran it’s .8/.5/.8
>

Hey Bruce, thanks for sharing that. Would you mind letting us know how you
came by that information?


Best,
Reed


>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Kieran J  wrote:
>
> Too bad I didn't have my Ram at the Unmeeting. I've always assumed it's OS
> 8-5-8 but since it's the biggest size, I'd sure like confirmation. Maybe
> some day :-D
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 11:02:52 AM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> Grant describes the differences between the Romulus and the Rambouillet
>> (and the AHH) here, a bit down the page:
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/index.html
>>
>> He doesn't mention any tubing changes, so I suspect they're the same. I
>> haven't gotten to measure one yet, though. Hope to track one down before
>> too long!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Reed
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:34 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know if the Romulus used the same tubing as the Ram?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Feedback? Velo Orange Double Kickstand

2018-10-02 Thread Drw

I have the vo on my weirdo cargo bike. It doesn’t feel as sturdy as a pletscher 
( I don’t know if I agree that the pletscher is lighter), but I like the 
adjustable legs that don’t require cutting. You can kind of fine tune it that 
way and get it to sit a little straighter. 

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[RBW] Re: Feedback? Velo Orange Double Kickstand

2018-10-02 Thread Steven Seelig

Big fan of double kickstands.  I've got the VO on my Sam, which is my 
upright city bike with a Wald small basket on the Mark Rack in front.  I 
use the VO wheel stabilizer to help with wheel flop.

I have a Pletscher on my Ram.  

So the lesson might be that the heavier VO is more appropriate with the 
heavier bike.  

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 12:54:12 PM UTC-4, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:
>
> Hey!
>
> I'm in the market for a double kickstand to stabilize my bike for kid and 
> grocery hauling. Anyone have feedback on the velo Orange Copenhagen double 
> kickstand? Experience with other brands?
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
> Portland, OR
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

2018-10-02 Thread Bruce Herbitter

Yes Kieran it’s .8/.5/.8

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Kieran J  wrote:
> 
> Too bad I didn't have my Ram at the Unmeeting. I've always assumed it's OS 
> 8-5-8 but since it's the biggest size, I'd sure like confirmation. Maybe some 
> day :-D
> 
> KJ
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 11:02:52 AM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>> Grant describes the differences between the Romulus and the Rambouillet (and 
>> the AHH) here, a bit down the page:
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/index.html
>> 
>> He doesn't mention any tubing changes, so I suspect they're the same. I 
>> haven't gotten to measure one yet, though. Hope to track one down before too 
>> long!
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Reed
>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:34 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:
>>> Does anyone know if the Romulus used the same tubing as the Ram?  
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: cliffhanger rims and canti brakes

2018-10-02 Thread Jason Ridgeway

I think I'm going to slap on some Schwalbe Big Bens and call it a day.

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 1:38 PM Braxton Colagross 
wrote:

> :) What tires?
>
> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:58:19 AM UTC-7, ed wrote:
>>
>> I have also installed cliffhanger wheelset on my 48 Hunqapillar and using
>> CX70 brakes.
>> Edgar
>>
>> PS Installed also SKS P65 fenders.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 2:07 AM, Kalmia Vt  wrote:
>>
>>> As it happens I built my Appaloosa this year with Cliffhanger rims and
>>> CX-50 canti brakes. Everything works fine. For what it's worth, Velo Orange
>>> 700 x 63 fenders give ample clearance over Riddler 45 tires, and I had no
>>> problem setting up the brakes to clear the fenders.   -   K
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 2:00:33 AM UTC-4, dirtp wrote:

 Hi, everyone, I'm building a Joe Appaloosa and I'm thinking about
 buying some Cliffhanger rims for it, but I've heard that some people have
 had problems with wide rims and cantis. I've seen several Joes on-line with
 Cliffhangers and V-brakes, though. Does anyone have any experience with
 Cliffhangers and cantis?

 Thanks very much!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

2018-10-02 Thread Kieran J

Too bad I didn't have my Ram at the Unmeeting. I've always assumed it's OS 
8-5-8 but since it's the biggest size, I'd sure like confirmation. Maybe 
some day :-D

KJ


On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 11:02:52 AM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> Grant describes the differences between the Romulus and the Rambouillet 
> (and the AHH) here, a bit down the page:
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/index.html
>
> He doesn't mention any tubing changes, so I suspect they're the same. I 
> haven't gotten to measure one yet, though. Hope to track one down before 
> too long!
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:34 AM Jonathan D.  > wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if the Romulus used the same tubing as the Ram?  
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[RBW] Re: Feedback? Velo Orange Double Kickstand

2018-10-02 Thread Tom Wyland

I have a Pletscher folding double-legged kickstand on one of my bikes and a 
fixed (non-folding) double-legged kickstand on my Dutch Bike.

The Pletscher is much lighter (aluminum) and folds away nicely compared to 
the bulkier steel fixed type.  

The VO Porteur kickstand allows you to adjust the length of the legs.  This 
is key because it allows you to put it on a different bike. With the 
Pletscher you have to cut it for it to work correctly without lifting one 
of your wheels. 

You may have an issue with wheel flop with these kickstands.  I just use a 
Nite Ize Gear Tie to fix the front wheel to the downtube.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

Grant describes the differences between the Romulus and the Rambouillet
(and the AHH) here, a bit down the page:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/index.html

He doesn't mention any tubing changes, so I suspect they're the same. I
haven't gotten to measure one yet, though. Hope to track one down before
too long!


Best,
Reed

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[RBW] Re: Different bars make a different bike.

2018-10-02 Thread Ash


>
> slip off the grips, levers, shifters, pull the bar out, clamp the new bar 
> in, and clamp the levers and grips back on?
>

Yes, this method!  I do not have any specialized swappable cockpit.

Since I do these swaps frequently, I guess I have become quite quick at it. 
 Trying out various alt bars and tweaking the cockpits is sort of my 
pastime :)



On Tuesday, 2 October 2018 09:23:20 UTC-7, cam starnes wrote:
>
> So I take it the procedure is to slip off the grips, levers, shifters, 
> pull the bar out, clamp the new bar in, and clamp the levers and grips back 
> on? Or do you have the other set of bars already on a stem and just swap 
> out the whole thing? Interesting. Obviously trickier with road bars. I have 
> long wished someone would invent a sort of cable quick release so one can 
> swap entire cockpits at will...
>
> On Sunday, 30 September 2018 23:57:10 UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>>
>> Also an Appaloosa owner here, and wholeheartedly agree with this 
>> assessment!
>>
>> I use Bosco for my day to day rides and keep a Surly Open Bar for 
>> occasional weekend rides on non-so-smooth trails.
>>
>> Takes 2-3 mins to swap + a minute to tune the tilt and height.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 29 September 2018 15:59:34 UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
>>>
>>> I was out riding the Appaloosa today and thought I’d do a small 
>>> experiment. 
>>>
>>> I switched the Choco-moose bars to Bullmoose bars at the trailhead 
>>> today, which was made easy by having slip on grips. With the exception of 
>>> making the brake housing too long (but still working) the installation was 
>>> a breeze. I fix those cables tomorrow. Anyway, I rode a little with the 
>>> choco bars, switched and rode a lot with the bullmoose which really gave me 
>>> a good comparison between the two bars and how the bike handled with each. 
>>>   
>>>
>>> The verdict? 
>>>
>>> The bullmoose wins for the type of riding I do. They allowed me to feel 
>>> more connected with the bike when riding on the trail and gave me the 
>>> perfect reach. The choco bars, while comfy and have an extra hand position, 
>>> put my hands into a position that less confidence inspiring and I think the 
>>> main position comes back too far for me. 
>>>
>>> Bottom line, it’s important to try out different bar setups because you 
>>> never know what will feel right.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: cliffhanger rims and canti brakes

2018-10-02 Thread Braxton Colagross

:) What tires? 

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:58:19 AM UTC-7, ed wrote:
>
> I have also installed cliffhanger wheelset on my 48 Hunqapillar and using 
> CX70 brakes.
> Edgar
>
> PS Installed also SKS P65 fenders.
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 2:07 AM, Kalmia Vt  > wrote:
>
>> As it happens I built my Appaloosa this year with Cliffhanger rims and 
>> CX-50 canti brakes. Everything works fine. For what it's worth, Velo Orange 
>> 700 x 63 fenders give ample clearance over Riddler 45 tires, and I had no 
>> problem setting up the brakes to clear the fenders.   -   K
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 2:00:33 AM UTC-4, dirtp wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone, I'm building a Joe Appaloosa and I'm thinking about buying 
>>> some Cliffhanger rims for it, but I've heard that some people have had 
>>> problems with wide rims and cantis. I've seen several Joes on-line with 
>>> Cliffhangers and V-brakes, though. Does anyone have any experience with 
>>> Cliffhangers and cantis? 
>>>
>>> Thanks very much!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

2018-10-02 Thread Jonathan D.

Does anyone know if the Romulus used the same tubing as the Ram?  

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[RBW] Feedback? Velo Orange Double Kickstand

2018-10-02 Thread Tim O. (Portland, OR)

Hey!

I'm in the market for a double kickstand to stabilize my bike for kid and 
grocery hauling. Anyone have feedback on the velo Orange Copenhagen double 
kickstand? Experience with other brands?

Thanks,
Tim
Portland, OR

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[RBW] Re: Different bars make a different bike.

2018-10-02 Thread Shoji Takahashi

I used to do lots of cockpit swapping, and you can optimize your setups for 
quick swaps. I could go swap among Noodles, Albas, and Moustache in just a 
few minutes. Fast enough to do so in the morning before a commute, if I 
really wanted to do so. But it's faster and easier to have two or more 
bikes. :)

If you go with down-tube shifters, you don't have to worry about swapping 
shifters.

If you have cantilever brakes, set your straddle hangers, and you're done. 
More specifically: have two or more handle bars (with stems), each with 
their own brake levers, brake cables, housing. My Rivs all have split cable 
stops; after unhooking the straddle hanger the cables+housing lift out 
easily. Done!

At one point, I did have bar-end shifters and thumbies. You can purchase 
cable splitters (e.g., http://www.davincitandems.com/components/#split)... 
although you might need to purchase additional down-tube cable stop or 
something else. I have a set of Shimano Deerhead shifters, which I could 
swap easily with an allen wrench.

There's a tutorial in the RivOB archives with more detailed instructions 
(which is where I learned how to do it). 

Good luck!
shoji
Arlington MA

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 12:23:20 PM UTC-4, cam starnes wrote:
>
> So I take it the procedure is to slip off the grips, levers, shifters, 
> pull the bar out, clamp the new bar in, and clamp the levers and grips back 
> on? Or do you have the other set of bars already on a stem and just swap 
> out the whole thing? Interesting. Obviously trickier with road bars. I have 
> long wished someone would invent a sort of cable quick release so one can 
> swap entire cockpits at will...
>
> On Sunday, 30 September 2018 23:57:10 UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>>
>> Also an Appaloosa owner here, and wholeheartedly agree with this 
>> assessment!
>>
>> I use Bosco for my day to day rides and keep a Surly Open Bar for 
>> occasional weekend rides on non-so-smooth trails.
>>
>> Takes 2-3 mins to swap + a minute to tune the tilt and height.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 29 September 2018 15:59:34 UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
>>>
>>> I was out riding the Appaloosa today and thought I’d do a small 
>>> experiment. 
>>>
>>> I switched the Choco-moose bars to Bullmoose bars at the trailhead 
>>> today, which was made easy by having slip on grips. With the exception of 
>>> making the brake housing too long (but still working) the installation was 
>>> a breeze. I fix those cables tomorrow. Anyway, I rode a little with the 
>>> choco bars, switched and rode a lot with the bullmoose which really gave me 
>>> a good comparison between the two bars and how the bike handled with each. 
>>>   
>>>
>>> The verdict? 
>>>
>>> The bullmoose wins for the type of riding I do. They allowed me to feel 
>>> more connected with the bike when riding on the trail and gave me the 
>>> perfect reach. The choco bars, while comfy and have an extra hand position, 
>>> put my hands into a position that less confidence inspiring and I think the 
>>> main position comes back too far for me. 
>>>
>>> Bottom line, it’s important to try out different bar setups because you 
>>> never know what will feel right.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Light Blue Appaloosa Frame

2018-10-02 Thread Ryan Olson

Thanks guys!  I had mine set up like that with a front medium and rear 
large basket.  I thought that worked well since I used it mostly for 
commuting and shopping apart from the joy rides.  I also had a large 
saddlesack, but I was always nervous someone would steal it.  I like being 
able to take my bags in with me.

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 1:46:21 PM UTC-6, J Imler wrote:
>
> After two plus years of ownership, I feel like my Blue Joe is really 
> coming into its own. The choco-moose bars are an update for me following 
> Albatross, and then the big Bosco's. I've also played around quite a bit 
> with racks and such. Very content with the current build with the 
> rear-basket attached via Viola straps.
>
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:22:09 AM UTC-7, Ryan Olson wrote:
>>
>> Up for sale is my used 62cm Light Blue, original run Appaloosa.  The 
>> color is my favorite of all Rivendells.  A superb bike in all respects.  It 
>> was just too big for me.  I got a 58cm.  There are a few small scratches 
>> (beausage?) on the frame - mostly in hidden spots.  There is some shellac 
>> drippage on the fork.  Never crashed, in great functional shape.  $850 plus 
>> shipping.  Less than a CLEM frame!  Includes bottom bracket, headset and 
>> seatpost.   Feel free to email me with questions.  I have more photos I can 
>> provide if interested.
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS Map Ahearne Bars 610

2018-10-02 Thread Jacob Gosschalk

Bars are sold.
Thanks!

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 10:21:20 AM UTC-5, Jacob Gosschalk wrote:
>
> Map Ahearne Bars for sale. 
>
> 610 length, mounted but never ridden.  
>
> $45 shipped CONUS.
>
> DM me if interested.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Different bars make a different bike.

2018-10-02 Thread cam starnes

So I take it the procedure is to slip off the grips, levers, shifters, pull 
the bar out, clamp the new bar in, and clamp the levers and grips back on? 
Or do you have the other set of bars already on a stem and just swap out 
the whole thing? Interesting. Obviously trickier with road bars. I have 
long wished someone would invent a sort of cable quick release so one can 
swap entire cockpits at will...

On Sunday, 30 September 2018 23:57:10 UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
> Also an Appaloosa owner here, and wholeheartedly agree with this 
> assessment!
>
> I use Bosco for my day to day rides and keep a Surly Open Bar for 
> occasional weekend rides on non-so-smooth trails.
>
> Takes 2-3 mins to swap + a minute to tune the tilt and height.
>
>
> On Saturday, 29 September 2018 15:59:34 UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
>>
>> I was out riding the Appaloosa today and thought I’d do a small 
>> experiment. 
>>
>> I switched the Choco-moose bars to Bullmoose bars at the trailhead today, 
>> which was made easy by having slip on grips. With the exception of making 
>> the brake housing too long (but still working) the installation was a 
>> breeze. I fix those cables tomorrow. Anyway, I rode a little with the choco 
>> bars, switched and rode a lot with the bullmoose which really gave me a 
>> good comparison between the two bars and how the bike handled with each.   
>>
>> The verdict? 
>>
>> The bullmoose wins for the type of riding I do. They allowed me to feel 
>> more connected with the bike when riding on the trail and gave me the 
>> perfect reach. The choco bars, while comfy and have an extra hand position, 
>> put my hands into a position that less confidence inspiring and I think the 
>> main position comes back too far for me. 
>>
>> Bottom line, it’s important to try out different bar setups because you 
>> never know what will feel right.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

I have had mixed comments:

“Nice bike!” Pedestrian
“That is a really nice bike” about Bosco Bleriot from Trek LBS employee
“Centerpulls are antiquated/obsolete technology”. Another LBS wrencher. They 
were Pauls.
“I love your bike” rider passing me on a century ride.
“Got a six pack in there?”, about my front rack bag.
“I got respect for people who can ride bikes like that for 100 miles”. - rider 
on a century, remarking about the steel must be hard to ride. His friend 
scolded him for it.
“Are they as cushy riding as people say?”. I said a definite, resounding  “yes”.

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for floor pumps?