[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[Jonathan D.]

Has the tubing for the Sam changed over time?  I thought it was the same as the 
old Toyo Atlantis, which I thought was double butter and .9.6.9. I think I read 
it in an old Riv Reader. I am not sure in the end it really matters but always 
interesting to know. I have had a Sam and a Appaloosa and a Toyo Atlantis. They 
all
ride like a Riv, and as Bill points out, can ride similar based on the build. 
The long chainstay heavier tube lend to loaded touring well but skimmed down 
feels stable and smooth. The Appaloosa almost feels like you are on water. It 
turns and handles great but in a very smooth way that is unique. I almost sold 
the Appaloosa until I switched it back to 42s. Now it rides more like the Sam I 
sold. If I bought a Sam again (would love an old green Toyo Sam) I would build 
it as a road drop bar bike. If I wanted Albatross or Choco bars I would get a 
long chain stay bike. 

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[RBW] Re: Will 700x38 Gravelking SKs fit on my Ram?

[Mike K.]

Also, I swear that's just bad perspective on the picture showing the fender 
mount between the chainstays. I've ridden it and it doesn't rub.

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[RBW] Re: Will 700x38 Gravelking SKs fit on my Ram?

[Mike K.]

Also, I swear that's just bad perspective on the fender mount between the 
chainstays. I've ridden it and it doesn't rub.

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 2:18:35 PM UTC-6, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Been thinking about going with wider tires on my Ram. I have Pasela 32’s 
> on there now but I know it will fit 38’s. Question is, will it fit THESE 
> 38’s? Anyone have experience putting these on their Ram? 
>
> - Mike

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[RBW] FS: Shimano, Tektro, Nitto, and friends

[Mike K.]

Assorted parts for sale. All prices include shipping.

Pictures can be found *here* .

Description Model # Size Condition Price
Tektro Dual Pivot Medium Reach brakes R539 Recessed allen nut Good $40
Nitto Dirtdrop Stem MT10 80x25.4 Good $40
WTB Horizon Tire (single) 650bx47 New $50
Tektro Interrupter "Cross" brake levers RL720 24mm (for road bars) Excellent 
$15
Shimano Tiagra road aero brake levers BL-R400 23.8mm mounts (standard road) 
Fair $25
microShift 10sp Road shifter levers w/ barend pods BS-T10 or BS-T10B Fits 
road bars Excellent $75
Tektro RL520 long pull brake levers RL520 Road drops for V-brakes New $30
Red Rando Bag appx 8"x8"x10" Fair $35
Vintage Bullmoose Bars 1" threaded steerer Excellent $70
Thanks, all.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm grey/orange, early adopter Hunqapillar frame and fork (w/original headset)

[Jonathan D.]

The Hinqapillar seems to be the fastest selling bike on the list. What makes it 
so unique and different from the other models?

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Re: [RBW] Maxxis Ikon Skinwall 2.2 tires

[Patrick Moore]

I used the 26" version or very similar a few years ago on the Race Lite;
far less sluggish, particularly on pavement, than the WTBs they replaced.

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 7:05 PM Steven Sweedler  wrote:

> Patrick, I rode the Maxxis Ikon 29 x 2.2 on thhe Great  Divide and was
> impressed with the tires. Not noisy on pavement and rolled very well, a few
> flats but not often enough to be a bother. Would ride them again if I used
> that size wheel. Perhaps not quite as fast as the Thunderburt but close.
> Mine were very close to the labeled size. Also close in suppleness. Steve
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:19 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>> Anyone ride these? Ability to compare to Compass, or Liteskin Schwalbe
>> Racing Ralph or ThunderBurts? Particularly interesed in how supple, how
>> long tread lasts, grip, and actual measurement. Thanks!
>>
>> https://www.jensonusa.com/Maxxis-Ikon-3CExo-Skinwall-29-Tire
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[dougP]

They overlap about 80%.  Is your Sam set-up primarily for touring, with 
racks, etc?  Or is it mostly a road / trail bike?  As far as touring goes, 
how much stuff you carry makes a difference.  If you want to do 4 bag plus 
a rack full of gear, the Atlantis work well.  It actually rides "softer" 
when fully loaded.  It sounds like you've toured successfully with your 
Sam. 

The new Atlantis (MIT) has such longer chainstays that it rides 
considerable different (actually better) than my Toyo built '03.  I spent a 
couple of hours test riding one at RBWHQ and came away seriously 
impressed.  It's definitely worth thinking about, esp if you'd like to have 
2 bikes set up quite differently.  

dougP  

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 1:48:56 PM UTC-8, Randall Rupp wrote:
>
>
> For those that have ridden both the Atlantis and Hillborne, how similar 
> are they riding-wise?  I have a lovely Hillborne in orange that I think is 
> great and have used on a couple week long bike tours, but have always 
> wondered whether the Atlantis was better for touring.  Hillborne seems 
> pretty stout and handles well loaded up.  I guess I can get bigger tires on 
> an Atlantis, but is that the primary difference especially now with the 
> made in Taiwan frames.
>
> Of course, now that I'm writing this I imagine this has been asked plenty 
> of time before, but I'll post anyway on the slim chance it hasn't.
>

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Re: [RBW] Maxxis Ikon Skinwall 2.2 tires

[Steven Sweedler]

Patrick, I rode the Maxxis Ikon 29 x 2.2 on thhe Great  Divide and was
impressed with the tires. Not noisy on pavement and rolled very well, a few
flats but not often enough to be a bother. Would ride them again if I used
that size wheel. Perhaps not quite as fast as the Thunderburt but close.
Mine were very close to the labeled size. Also close in suppleness. Steve

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> Anyone ride these? Ability to compare to Compass, or Liteskin Schwalbe
> Racing Ralph or ThunderBurts? Particularly interesed in how supple, how
> long tread lasts, grip, and actual measurement. Thanks!
>
> https://www.jensonusa.com/Maxxis-Ikon-3CExo-Skinwall-29-Tire
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Your dogs are so cute!  My work schedule doesn't work for having a dog 
right now.  I would love to have one, especially a dog that liked riding in 
bike baskets :)

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[Adam in Indiana]

A few years ago (I think it was when they started offering complete Sams) the 
drawings for Sam frames were posted on the blug, and I think they were linked 
from the Sam webpage as well.  Anywho, for a 58 Sam (sorry, don't remember the 
others) the top, down, and seat tube were single butt; .9/.7 for the top in 
28.6, and 1.1/.8 for the down in 31.8.  I remember the butts being a bit long, 
too...60ish mm?

I'm pretty sure the seat tube at least has changed; new Sams take a 26.8 
seatpost, whereas I seem to remember them taking a 27.2 in the past.

All that aside and whatever the case may be, my Sam rides great, so don't let 
the numbers carry too much weight... Coming from a machining and fabrication 
background, I just like knowing.  There are so many variables in bike design 
that it'd be foolish to get stuck on just one...
 


On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 6:57:11 PM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
 Sam is butted, but i dont know the specs. 

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Re: [RBW] Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Eric Daume]

I've never been much for double top tubes, but that Atlantis looks great.
Just me size, as well.

But I think my budget will force me to stick with single top tubed, double
chainringed, Super Moto clad, Jones barred Clem for now.

Eric

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 1:22 PM Ryan M. 
wrote:

> Check out this Radavist article.
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/2019/01/ultra-romance-and-his-rivendell-atlantis-mountain-bike/?no_cache=1&fbclid=IwAR2wUcRjIMLbddCD5n4U4xA6rikEuINj9y-XjlIZfnJOQgsysE7OwTA6N4o#1
>
> Yes, you can ride a Rivendell like an MTB and have a ton of fun doing it.
> Man, I wish I were tall enough to get a second top tube Riv, because I
> think they look awesome.
>
>
>
> This is a great setup for an off road Rivendell, but I would go with a
> Cambium saddle instead of a leather one, personally, but whatever. I
> haven't used drop bars on an off road bike except for cyclocross stuff, and
> those bars I've always felt were too narrow. Not these; check out the width
> of the bars...just wonderful. I have to try and get a similar bike together
> as I just bought a set of these bars in 615 length. I was thinking about
> installing them on my Appaloosa but I'm really digging the Bullmoose bars I
> have on it right now.
>
> Huh, might need another frame now.
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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm grey/orange, early adopter Hunqapillar frame and fork (w/original headset)

[Ian Dickson]

SOLD. That was quick.

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 4:07:57 PM UTC-7, Ian Dickson wrote:
>
> [image: _7500434.jpg]
> $1200. I'll pay shipping from Denver to any US address. 
>
> This frame is from the first batch of Hunqapillars. I love this bike and 
> got a ton of use out of it when I lived in Alaska, but I'm in a city 
> apartment now, so I'm paring down to one bike.
>
> Excellent condition, never crashed, but it does have normal signs of wear 
> in the form of light scratches, abrasions, etc. When I cut the fork, I left 
> room for a 1cm spacer along with the cable stop. No problem getting the bar 
> higher than the seat. I'm not sure what the max clearances are, but I rode 
> it with 700x50 tires and 60cm fenders in the summer and Nokian 29x2.1 tires 
> (no fenders) in the winter. No issues in either case.
>
> If you have any questions or want any specific photos, ask away.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 54cm grey/orange, early adopter Hunqapillar frame and fork (w/original headset)

[Chris L]

I'm going to try to send now

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:07 PM Ian Dickson  wrote:

> Yes, paypal is fine. I think you should be able to send me money at this
> email address (iandicks...@gmail.com).
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 5:05 PM Chris L  wrote:
>
>> Will you take Paypal?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:03 PM Ian Dickson  wrote:
>>
>>> You're first, by one minute. Do you have any questions about it?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 4:41 PM Chris L  wrote:
>>>
 I'm interested if it's not spoken for yet.


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>
> [image: _7500434.jpg]
> $1200. I'll pay shipping from Denver to any US address.
>
> This frame is from the first batch of Hunqapillars. I love this bike
> and got a ton of use out of it when I lived in Alaska, but I'm in a city
> apartment now, so I'm paring down to one bike.
>
> Excellent condition, never crashed, but it does have normal signs of
> wear in the form of light scratches, abrasions, etc. When I cut the fork, 
> I
> left room for a 1cm spacer along with the cable stop. No problem getting
> the bar higher than the seat. I'm not sure what the max clearances are, 
> but
> I rode it with 700x50 tires and 60cm fenders in the summer and Nokian
> 29x2.1 tires (no fenders) in the winter. No issues in either case.
>
> If you have any questions or want any specific photos, ask away.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 54cm grey/orange, early adopter Hunqapillar frame and fork (w/original headset)

[Ian Dickson]

Yes, paypal is fine. I think you should be able to send me money at this
email address (iandicks...@gmail.com).

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 5:05 PM Chris L  wrote:

> Will you take Paypal?
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:03 PM Ian Dickson  wrote:
>
>> You're first, by one minute. Do you have any questions about it?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 4:41 PM Chris L  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm interested if it's not spoken for yet.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 5:07:57 PM UTC-6, Ian Dickson wrote:

 [image: _7500434.jpg]
 $1200. I'll pay shipping from Denver to any US address.

 This frame is from the first batch of Hunqapillars. I love this bike
 and got a ton of use out of it when I lived in Alaska, but I'm in a city
 apartment now, so I'm paring down to one bike.

 Excellent condition, never crashed, but it does have normal signs of
 wear in the form of light scratches, abrasions, etc. When I cut the fork, I
 left room for a 1cm spacer along with the cable stop. No problem getting
 the bar higher than the seat. I'm not sure what the max clearances are, but
 I rode it with 700x50 tires and 60cm fenders in the summer and Nokian
 29x2.1 tires (no fenders) in the winter. No issues in either case.

 If you have any questions or want any specific photos, ask away.


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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm grey/orange, early adopter Hunqapillar frame and fork (w/original headset)

[Ian Dickson]

I have two interested people already. I'll update this once I know for sure 
if it's sold or not.

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> $1200. I'll pay shipping from Denver to any US address. 
>
> This frame is from the first batch of Hunqapillars. I love this bike and 
> got a ton of use out of it when I lived in Alaska, but I'm in a city 
> apartment now, so I'm paring down to one bike.
>
> Excellent condition, never crashed, but it does have normal signs of wear 
> in the form of light scratches, abrasions, etc. When I cut the fork, I left 
> room for a 1cm spacer along with the cable stop. No problem getting the bar 
> higher than the seat. I'm not sure what the max clearances are, but I rode 
> it with 700x50 tires and 60cm fenders in the summer and Nokian 29x2.1 tires 
> (no fenders) in the winter. No issues in either case.
>
> If you have any questions or want any specific photos, ask away.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 54cm grey/orange, early adopter Hunqapillar frame and fork (w/original headset)

[Chris L]

Will you take Paypal?

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:03 PM Ian Dickson  wrote:

> You're first, by one minute. Do you have any questions about it?
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 4:41 PM Chris L  wrote:
>
>> I'm interested if it's not spoken for yet.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 5:07:57 PM UTC-6, Ian Dickson wrote:
>>>
>>> [image: _7500434.jpg]
>>> $1200. I'll pay shipping from Denver to any US address.
>>>
>>> This frame is from the first batch of Hunqapillars. I love this bike and
>>> got a ton of use out of it when I lived in Alaska, but I'm in a city
>>> apartment now, so I'm paring down to one bike.
>>>
>>> Excellent condition, never crashed, but it does have normal signs of
>>> wear in the form of light scratches, abrasions, etc. When I cut the fork, I
>>> left room for a 1cm spacer along with the cable stop. No problem getting
>>> the bar higher than the seat. I'm not sure what the max clearances are, but
>>> I rode it with 700x50 tires and 60cm fenders in the summer and Nokian
>>> 29x2.1 tires (no fenders) in the winter. No issues in either case.
>>>
>>> If you have any questions or want any specific photos, ask away.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 54cm grey/orange, early adopter Hunqapillar frame and fork (w/original headset)

[Ian Dickson]

You're first, by one minute. Do you have any questions about it?

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 4:41 PM Chris L  wrote:

> I'm interested if it's not spoken for yet.
>
>
> On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 5:07:57 PM UTC-6, Ian Dickson wrote:
>>
>> [image: _7500434.jpg]
>> $1200. I'll pay shipping from Denver to any US address.
>>
>> This frame is from the first batch of Hunqapillars. I love this bike and
>> got a ton of use out of it when I lived in Alaska, but I'm in a city
>> apartment now, so I'm paring down to one bike.
>>
>> Excellent condition, never crashed, but it does have normal signs of wear
>> in the form of light scratches, abrasions, etc. When I cut the fork, I left
>> room for a 1cm spacer along with the cable stop. No problem getting the bar
>> higher than the seat. I'm not sure what the max clearances are, but I rode
>> it with 700x50 tires and 60cm fenders in the summer and Nokian 29x2.1 tires
>> (no fenders) in the winter. No issues in either case.
>>
>> If you have any questions or want any specific photos, ask away.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[Drw]

I agree with what Bill said. i had a sam and i now have an atlantis. the 
sam is so versatile. it can be and do almost anything. the atlantis is a 
bit harder to make "roady", though im sure it can be done. What i really 
wanted was a sam that could take 50mm tires + fenders. i couldnt get that, 
so i got the atlantis because that seemed like the closest thing

i also had a hunq and id say that the atlantis is more hunq with sammish  
geometry than sam with bigger clearances. 

my experience is with the very short lived, semi long chainstay, 650b MUSA 
atlantis that existed for a few months pre MIT atlantis.  This version is 
straight gauge (so is hunq and i assume MIT is as well). Sam is butted, but 
i dont know the specs. 

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[Adam in Indiana]

This is something I've wondered off and on as well.  I have one of the newer 
canti-Sams set up as a road bike (a 58cm, 700c wheels), but have been really 
hankering for a MIT 56cm Atlantis (which would be 650b, and my 89cm pbh puts me 
right on the edge according to Riv).  Problem is, I'd want the Atlantis set up 
like the Sam, essentially a wide-tire road and trail bike with drops.

I'm assuming the tubing on the Atlantis is a bit a stouter than the Sam, but 
does anyone know the actual specs?  I'm kind of a nerd for all that...



On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 4:48:56 PM UTC-5, Randall Rupp wrote:
> For those that have ridden both the Atlantis and Hillborne, how similar are 
> they riding-wise?  I have a lovely Hillborne in orange that I think is great 
> and have used on a couple week long bike tours, but have always wondered 
> whether the Atlantis was better for touring.  Hillborne seems pretty stout 
> and handles well loaded up.  I guess I can get bigger tires on an Atlantis, 
> but is that the primary difference especially now with the made in Taiwan 
> frames.
> 
> 
> Of course, now that I'm writing this I imagine this has been asked plenty of 
> time before, but I'll post anyway on the slim chance it hasn't.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm grey/orange, early adopter Hunqapillar frame and fork (w/original headset)

[Chris L]

I'm interested if it's not spoken for yet.


On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 5:07:57 PM UTC-6, Ian Dickson wrote:
>
> [image: _7500434.jpg]
> $1200. I'll pay shipping from Denver to any US address. 
>
> This frame is from the first batch of Hunqapillars. I love this bike and 
> got a ton of use out of it when I lived in Alaska, but I'm in a city 
> apartment now, so I'm paring down to one bike.
>
> Excellent condition, never crashed, but it does have normal signs of wear 
> in the form of light scratches, abrasions, etc. When I cut the fork, I left 
> room for a 1cm spacer along with the cable stop. No problem getting the bar 
> higher than the seat. I'm not sure what the max clearances are, but I rode 
> it with 700x50 tires and 60cm fenders in the summer and Nokian 29x2.1 tires 
> (no fenders) in the winter. No issues in either case.
>
> If you have any questions or want any specific photos, ask away.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Maxxis Ikon Skinwall 2.2 tires

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Forrest. 

Essentially, I’m wondering if the Liteskin 2.1” Schwalbes are the closest I can 
get for my Hunqabeam to a 2.1” actual diameter (on Cliffhanger rims) 
non-existant Compass knobbie. I love the Steilacombs on my QB, and at 38mm, 
they ride as supple (but with less depth of cushion) as my Racing Ralphs.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] FS: XT, XTR, Trangia, MSR

[ant ritchey]

Going deeper and deeper through the excavations; really flogging the bins 
to see what I can shake out now.

PICS HERE 


-Shimano 110/74 triple; 175mm, good condition, FC-B124, early Deore/budget 
XT. $15
-Sugino chainring; 32t, 74 BCD, no ramps/pins, intended for a Quickbeam 
that has long since found a new home, new in packaging. $10
-XT M738 front derailleu; 28.6 clamp, top pull, never used/NOS. $35
-XTR M901 front derailleur; 28.6 clamp, top pull, never used/NOS. $50
-XT M730 derailleur/shifter; friction/6spd SIS, very good condition, ideal 
1X set up. $40/set
-Suntour Power Thumbshifter; left side only, non-original clamp, very good 
condition. $15
-Trangia cookset; the Rivendell import one, even comes with it's own 
branded irish strap! Light use only. $70
-MSR whisperlite; older model, still works great, comes with 2 bottles and 
an extra pump. $50

VINTAGE XT LOT:  XT Pic Folder 

All parts & bits cleaned, inspected and overhauled if/as I saw fit. 
Originally destined for an RTP build that's going on the back-most burner 
in lieu of recent Bantam deposit. Although not a true part of the XT group, 
I'm including the 331 levers of the same SLR era/inscription in case you 
wanna switch handlebar set ups. Let me know if you're not interested in 
these; happy to keep 'em and knock a few bucks of the price.  Here's the 
list:
M732 canti set; w/ pads & straddles, very good condition. 
M730 170mm OR 175mm triple (I've got a set in both lengths), bio pace rings 
got recycled, 110/74 BCD, very good condition.
BL-L331 levers, hoods in great shape, very good condition.
M731 pedals; lower-profile version of the big honkin' M730 predecessors, I 
believe to be toe cage-compatible, which I dig.
M733  levers, very good condition, includes the rubber covers, oversized 
ferrules and brass cable head snuggler thingys.
M732 front derailleur, very good condition
M732 rear derailleur, very good condition
M732 thumb shifters; these are the ones that say 7 but have 8 clicks on SIS
Not pictured: QR skewers for seatpost, front & rear wheels, matching 
unselaed bottom bracket (I'll get pics up soon...also need to take pics of 
the 170mm arms)
(Not included in the sale of the lot is the 36h matching hubset, which I 
possess. I have plans for the hubs but if you're really stoked on 
more-or-less completing this groupo- let's talk.)
$175 for the lot

Am I forgetting anything? Prices don't include shipping. PPal Friends & Fam 
or cover fees, please. Holler if you have any questions. PM/Text 724 757 
9358. I'm in Portland, OR.

Thanks for lookin'!

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Re: [RBW] Maxxis Ikon Skinwall 2.2 tires

[Forrest Harvey]

I have the ikon in a 27.5 xx 2.6 nice tire. Not the greatest if you ride on
the road primarily, but handle great on all types of dirt/mud. Fast rolling
too!

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 3:19 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Anyone ride these? Ability to compare to Compass, or Liteskin Schwalbe
> Racing Ralph or ThunderBurts? Particularly interesed in how supple, how
> long tread lasts, grip, and actual measurement. Thanks!
>
> https://www.jensonusa.com/Maxxis-Ikon-3CExo-Skinwall-29-Tire
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Maxxis Ikon Skinwall 2.2 tires

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Anyone ride these? Ability to compare to Compass, or Liteskin Schwalbe Racing 
Ralph or ThunderBurts? Particularly interesed in how supple, how long tread 
lasts, grip, and actual measurement. Thanks!

https://www.jensonusa.com/Maxxis-Ikon-3CExo-Skinwall-29-Tire

With abandon,
Patrick

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www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just your average Clem Smith.... not!

[Steve Palincsar]

https://www.magura.com/en/components/bike/rim-brakes/ Who knew.

On 1/7/19 6:05 PM, Edwin W wrote:
Never knew about hydraulic cantis before. You learn something every 
single day.


Edwin

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 3:33:56 PM UTC-6, Bob Lovejoy wrote:

No affiliation to the seller and have no knowledge of the bike...
but wow!?  Possibly the most lavished upon Clem in the world.  Not
saying it shouldn't be done, but still... Makes me laugh to think
how builds can take on a life - and budget - of their own.


https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-with-rohloff/6788752899.html



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[RBW] Re: Just your average Clem Smith.... not!

[Edwin W]

Never knew about hydraulic cantis before. You learn something every single 
day.

Edwin

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 3:33:56 PM UTC-6, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> No affiliation to the seller and have no knowledge of the bike... but 
> wow!?  Possibly the most lavished upon Clem in the world.  Not saying it 
> shouldn't be done, but still... Makes me laugh to think how builds can take 
> on a life - and budget - of their own.
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-with-rohloff/6788752899.html
>
> Bob
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Of Fishnet Long Johns and Boiled Wool

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Patrick; that's as cheap as makes no difference and well worth it
for the experiement. Will order. (The photo is icky, but I will close my
eyes when I order.)

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 3:11 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Just searched Amazon for mesh shirt, found this for $14. It’ll let you
> test the idea pretty cheaply.
> https://www.amazon.com/HEQU-Through-Sleeve-Fishnet-Shirt/dp/B078RG1FFZ/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1546897727&sr=8-7&keywords=mens+mesh+shirt
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Jeremy Till]

I've been riding a long chainstay Rivendell 
 
with fancy Shimano v-brakes, double chainrings, and no front derailleur as 
an MTB for the past 2.5 years. Guess I'm just ahead of the curve. 

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 10:22:38 AM UTC-8, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> Check out this Radavist article. 
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/2019/01/ultra-romance-and-his-rivendell-atlantis-mountain-bike/?no_cache=1&fbclid=IwAR2wUcRjIMLbddCD5n4U4xA6rikEuINj9y-XjlIZfnJOQgsysE7OwTA6N4o#1
>
> Yes, you can ride a Rivendell like an MTB and have a ton of fun doing it. 
> Man, I wish I were tall enough to get a second top tube Riv, because I 
> think they look awesome. 
>
>
>
> This is a great setup for an off road Rivendell, but I would go with a 
> Cambium saddle instead of a leather one, personally, but whatever. I 
> haven't used drop bars on an off road bike except for cyclocross stuff, and 
> those bars I've always felt were too narrow. Not these; check out the width 
> of the bars...just wonderful. I have to try and get a similar bike together 
> as I just bought a set of these bars in 615 length. I was thinking about 
> installing them on my Appaloosa but I'm really digging the Bullmoose bars I 
> have on it right now. 
>
> Huh, might need another frame now. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Eric Floden]

Not me man, I loved geometry then and love it now. What fun. Time to play
billiards

EricF


On Monday, 7 January 2019, stoker  wrote:
> ‘Geometry is what you failed in high school’

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[Bill Lindsay]

They are similar in that they both ride like Rivendells.  "Better for 
touring" is purely in the eye of the beholder.  Both can be used for 
touring, no problem.  Both can be used as road bikes.  The Atlantis maybe 
has a tiny bit more offroad top-end because it takes bigger tires, but you 
can ride trails on the Hillborne too.  Both are extraordinary platforms for 
executing a wide array of builds.  Some people may build them different 
from each other to broaden their differences.  Some people may build them 
the same, decide they are too similar and sell one.  

My Hillborne is set up as a fast road bike that I use for brevet riding. I 
just ordered an Atlantis which I'll be setting up as a drop bar mountain 
bike. They are both awesome. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito CA

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 1:48:56 PM UTC-8, Randall Rupp wrote:
>
>
> For those that have ridden both the Atlantis and Hillborne, how similar 
> are they riding-wise?  I have a lovely Hillborne in orange that I think is 
> great and have used on a couple week long bike tours, but have always 
> wondered whether the Atlantis was better for touring.  Hillborne seems 
> pretty stout and handles well loaded up.  I guess I can get bigger tires on 
> an Atlantis, but is that the primary difference especially now with the 
> made in Taiwan frames.
>
> Of course, now that I'm writing this I imagine this has been asked plenty 
> of time before, but I'll post anyway on the slim chance it hasn't.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mismatched tires

[masmojo]

My Clementine, currently has a 1.95 Kenda Kwick on the back & 2.1 Small Block 
knobby on the front. I've tried several combos of narrow & wide tires & this is 
what stuck.

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[stoker]

‘Geometry is what you failed in high school’

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Re: [RBW] Re: Of Fishnet Long Johns and Boiled Wool

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just searched Amazon for mesh shirt, found this for $14. It’ll let you test the 
idea pretty cheaply. 
https://www.amazon.com/HEQU-Through-Sleeve-Fishnet-Shirt/dp/B078RG1FFZ/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1546897727&sr=8-7&keywords=mens+mesh+shirt

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Atlantis and Hillborne

[Randall Rupp]

For those that have ridden both the Atlantis and Hillborne, how similar are 
they riding-wise?  I have a lovely Hillborne in orange that I think is 
great and have used on a couple week long bike tours, but have always 
wondered whether the Atlantis was better for touring.  Hillborne seems 
pretty stout and handles well loaded up.  I guess I can get bigger tires on 
an Atlantis, but is that the primary difference especially now with the 
made in Taiwan frames.

Of course, now that I'm writing this I imagine this has been asked plenty 
of time before, but I'll post anyway on the slim chance it hasn't.

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[RBW] Just your average Clem Smith.... not!

[Bob Lovejoy]

No affiliation to the seller and have no knowledge of the bike... but wow!? 
 Possibly the most lavished upon Clem in the world.  Not saying it 
shouldn't be done, but still... Makes me laugh to think how builds can take 
on a life - and budget - of their own.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-with-rohloff/6788752899.html

Bob


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[RBW] FS: Gold Paul Love Levers (Compact)

[gabriel luke thompson aspinwall]

Very lightly used pair of Paul love levers, only problem is a slightly 
stripped mounting bolt on the right lever. 
$100 shipped

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Re: [RBW] Re: Of Fishnet Long Johns and Boiled Wool

[Patrick Moore]

Garth: That's a very interesting discovery; I'll have to try the old
Polartec pullover this way, just to see how it does. I have to admit though
that when I first read your description, my skin crawled; I have ickey
memories of clammy synthetics in cold weather exercise. But the experiment
will cost nothing but a little, possible, discomfort.

But I do plan to seek out a cheap synthetic mesh top, ss, to try under a
cotton street shirt for winter riding -- mesh, shirt, perhaps light wool
pullover, and then shell.

Thanks, Patrick

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 6:41 AM Garth  wrote:

> Try no baselayer tops at all PM, just regular polyester fleece. My
> favorites are basic fleece like Polartec's 100, 200 and WindPro of varying
> weights.  I tried this on a whim one cold 20 degree winters day, wearing
> both a 100 1/4 zip and 200 full zip jacket with a LL Bean supplex nylon 1/2
> zip Anorak over them while hiking up and down my local hills. All very
> loose fitting. The Anorak is a way oversized vintage XXL tall , while I
> usually wear large in most clothing. It has drawcords around the hood and
> waist and bottom hem, and it's a good 32 inches long to cover the rear and
> hips so opening it up for a chimney cooling effect is great.  Since there
> is no base fabric to absorb any perspiration, it evaporates very quickly
> off the skin. Any moisture that contacts the fleece dries very quickly from
> body heat and there is no "rebound" effect of a chill as I never get too
> wet and hot. Staying "just right" feeling is very easy.  It's all pretty
> cool !
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 8:26:14 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Good to know that fishnet, even synthetic, works under synthetics. I hope
>> to try the combination.
>>
>> One big liability for wool, otherwise wonderful, is moths; dismaying to
>> buy an expensive top and, 2 years later find a moth hole in it. If
>> synthetic mesh and tops work well, perhaps they'll be an alternative to
>> wool.
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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Bill Lindsay]

I just put a deposit down on my drop bar mountain bike: a 56cm 650B 
Atlantis.  That's going to be SUPER fun!  

Coincidentally, I just shaved my beard, too.  Benedict and I have a growing 
list of things in common:

We both have ridden a 650B Atlantis as a mountain bike
We both think that a mountain bike is a bike you ride in the mountains
We both shaved our unruly beards off
We both are fans of Rivendell
We both think that the handwringers wring their hands too much over 
geo-charts

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 10:22:38 AM UTC-8, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> Check out this Radavist article. 
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/2019/01/ultra-romance-and-his-rivendell-atlantis-mountain-bike/?no_cache=1&fbclid=IwAR2wUcRjIMLbddCD5n4U4xA6rikEuINj9y-XjlIZfnJOQgsysE7OwTA6N4o#1
>
> Yes, you can ride a Rivendell like an MTB and have a ton of fun doing it. 
> Man, I wish I were tall enough to get a second top tube Riv, because I 
> think they look awesome. 
>
>
>
> This is a great setup for an off road Rivendell, but I would go with a 
> Cambium saddle instead of a leather one, personally, but whatever. I 
> haven't used drop bars on an off road bike except for cyclocross stuff, and 
> those bars I've always felt were too narrow. Not these; check out the width 
> of the bars...just wonderful. I have to try and get a similar bike together 
> as I just bought a set of these bars in 615 length. I was thinking about 
> installing them on my Appaloosa but I'm really digging the Bullmoose bars I 
> have on it right now. 
>
> Huh, might need another frame now. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Patrick Moore]

*Damn* those bars are wide! They're probably the widest available, I'd
guess.

I personally have no use whatsoever for double top tubes on any bike in my
size, but if I chose a bike for looks, I'd have to admit that that lower,
curved tt does look nice.

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:22 AM Ryan M. 
wrote:

> Check out this Radavist article.
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/2019/01/ultra-romance-and-his-rivendell-atlantis-mountain-bike/?no_cache=1&fbclid=IwAR2wUcRjIMLbddCD5n4U4xA6rikEuINj9y-XjlIZfnJOQgsysE7OwTA6N4o#1
>
> Yes, you can ride a Rivendell like an MTB and have a ton of fun doing it.
> Man, I wish I were tall enough to get a second top tube Riv, because I
> think they look awesome.
>
>
>
> This is a great setup for an off road Rivendell, but I would go with a
> Cambium saddle instead of a leather one, personally, but whatever. I
> haven't used drop bars on an off road bike except for cyclocross stuff, and
> those bars I've always felt were too narrow. Not these; check out the width
> of the bars...just wonderful. I have to try and get a similar bike together
> as I just bought a set of these bars in 615 length. I was thinking about
> installing them on my Appaloosa but I'm really digging the Bullmoose bars I
> have on it right now.
>
> Huh, might need another frame now.
>
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[RBW] FS: Tubus Tara Big Apple with LM-01 hardware

[Conway Bennett]

Another one,

Tidying up be fore the little one arrives.  So for y'all's consideration:

Tubus Tara Big Apple with LM-01 hardware. 
The mounting hardware is missing two screws but they were too long anyhow when 
I had this rack on my Hunqapillar.  Fwiw, I had only this rack on my bike for 
6ish months and NEVER mounted panniers on it.  I switched to a RRB jumbo jammer 
instead.

$100 net to me shipped CONUS.

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[RBW] FS: Chocomoose & Noodle/Tech Deluxe combo

[Conway Bennett]

For your consideration:

Nitto Chocomoose bars in good used condition.  $115 net to me shipped in CONUS. 
 

44 cm Nitto Noodle bars WITH a 10 cm extension Nitto Technomic Deluxe.  Both in 
good used condition.  $75 net to me shipped in CONUS.


Fair winds,

Captain Conway
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[RBW] Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Ryan M.]

Check out this Radavist article. 

https://theradavist.com/2019/01/ultra-romance-and-his-rivendell-atlantis-mountain-bike/?no_cache=1&fbclid=IwAR2wUcRjIMLbddCD5n4U4xA6rikEuINj9y-XjlIZfnJOQgsysE7OwTA6N4o#1

Yes, you can ride a Rivendell like an MTB and have a ton of fun doing it. 
Man, I wish I were tall enough to get a second top tube Riv, because I 
think they look awesome. 



This is a great setup for an off road Rivendell, but I would go with a 
Cambium saddle instead of a leather one, personally, but whatever. I 
haven't used drop bars on an off road bike except for cyclocross stuff, and 
those bars I've always felt were too narrow. Not these; check out the width 
of the bars...just wonderful. I have to try and get a similar bike together 
as I just bought a set of these bars in 615 length. I was thinking about 
installing them on my Appaloosa but I'm really digging the Bullmoose bars I 
have on it right now. 

Huh, might need another frame now. 


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[RBW] Re: Surly 8 pack-rack & Joe Appaloosa

[Jon BALER]

I helped a buddy put an 8 pack rack on his Joe A. recently. We ended up 
buying an additional strut kit (Rear Upper Kit) for better alignment with 
the fork mid-mounts, which resulted in a very sturdy mount.

On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 6:04:19 PM UTC-5, lambbo wrote:
>
> Hey Friend, I have a silver surly 6 pack - and some of the hardware - that 
> I'd send you for $40+Shipping 

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[RBW] Boyz on the Hoods: 4th Annual Escape from Super Bowl Weekend Campout

[Irving]

It's time for the 4th Annual Super Bowl Campout Weekend (RECAP: 2016 
, 2017 
, 2018 
)  

Grabbed the Spring Lake Group Campsite 
 in 
Santa Rosa this year.


   - Let's meet at Larkspur Ferry Terminal at 10am on *Saturday February 
   2nd, 2019*
   
   - Here are your options:
   
   - Meet me at 8am at the Golden Gate Bridge and we'll bike 13 miles to 
  the Larkspur Ferry Terminal to meet with everyone 
  
  - or you can drive and park at Larkspur Ferry Terminal 
  
  
  - East Bay peepz can take a bus from El Cerrito BART to San Rafael 
  

 and 
  then bike over to Larkspur Ferry Terminal
  
  - From Larkspur, we'll ride to Santa Rosa: 
  https://ridewithgps.com/routes/29100475  
  

   - North Bay peepz can take the SMART train to downtown Santa Rosa 
   
   
   - Or you can just drive to Spring Lake Regional Group Campsite (let me 
   know, since there's only 10 parking passes)  
   

   - How many people can fit at the campsite? A LOT 
    (actually 75, so please 
   RSVP via e-mail or Facebook Event 
   )
   
   - Bring $5 - $10 cash for the campsite     
   

If there's rain in forecast (week prior) = possible postponement, 
otherwise, cya there!


- Irving
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: fs: Riv Fishy t-shirt (green) size SMALL

[Eric]

SOLD!!!

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Re: [RBW] How to select a Brooks saddle

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I bought a C19 after I saw Riv sales were slow, mainly because I'm
commuting in the rain, and although I have a "waterproof" seat cover, it
really isn't that waterproof, and the leather seat gets quite damp.  My
first impressions of the C19 are that it isn't too wide, (I ride on a bike
with drops), but I prefer wider saddles--I have a Brooks swift, and I
prefer wider saddles than the Swift.

Anyhow, it is colder than my leather saddle, and it is a bid harder than my
broken in leather saddle, but no harder than a new Brooks...

It will do fine for my rainy commuter bike setup.  If I had a choice, then
I would probably go with a slotted version, but I don't know if a slotted
C19 exists.

Toshi


On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:25 PM lambbo  wrote:

> I ride the c19 on my Cheviot, done a century and some other long rides on
> it, including off road and aggressive riding.  I have boscos so I'm pretty
> upright but it really feels fantastic and not too wide.  I've had two
> stolen, so sadly I'm going to stop buying new ones.
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