[RBW] Re: Got my 61 Roadini set up!

[Howard Ramsay]

Please look on the RBW website for the Stem - Nitto DirtDrop (MT-10) 8cm X 
26mm with a 22.2 mm quill. You will be able to have plenty of height 
adjustment and the proper clamp size. I do not know what angle of the 
extension you wish for your bicycle. There are other models listed on the 
RivBike and NITTO websites. The important thing is that you are 
comfortable. Take a look here for detailed measurements. Remember your bar 
clamp diameter is 26.0mm with the NITTO Noodle bars. Hope this helps.  
*http://nitto-tokyo.sakura.ne.jp/stem-E.html* 
 


On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 11:12:40 PM UTC-5, Matt D wrote:
>
> First Rivendell, first real drop bar road bike. Could have gotten a 
> complete Surly for the price but I knew I'd wish I had bought a Rivendell 
> so I ordered the frameset sight-unseen after an extremely enlightening 
> conversation on sizing with one of the guys at HQ. Set it up with parts 
> from the bike co-op for the moment because most of my budget went into 
> frameset but the plan is to upgrade it a little over time. For now it's 
> fine if a little low on range and comfort with the old Fizik Vitesse 
> saddle, Exage 300 group, 46 single and 13-25 cassette. The rest... tires 
> are 32c Gravelking slicks, wheels are Alexrims G6000s on Tiagra hubs, 
> shifters are Ultegra bar-ends, and pedals are Raceface Chesters. By the 
> time I consider myself "finished" with this build I don't want a single 
> matte black anodized part on it.
>
> Anyway, just a few questions about setup:
>
>
>- I've got a Sakae SA double with 52/40 chainrings sitting on my desk, 
>pretty sweet looking classic silver crank. VeloBase says it's made for a 
> 3P 
>bottom bracket, which is 119mm. Riv website says the Roadini ships with a 
>110mm Shimano BB. 9mm difference is going to be out of the question for 
>chainline, correct? If so, I can just replace it with a 119mm spindle BB 
>without any major issues, right? I'm having some issues finding one of 
>those, if one of you could point me to one it would be much appreciated.
>
>
>- What's the best way to determine your optimum quill stem length? 
>I've got a 110mm Sunlite adjustable quill on there right now, and coupled 
>with 44cm Nitto Noodles I find myself a little too stretched out on the 
>hoods. The plan was always to work out my optimal stem length with the 
>adjustable (this being my first drop bar after all) but I have to tilt the 
>stem higher than I want to bring it in any closer.
>
>
>- What color bar tape looks best with gum hoods and an orange frame? 
>I'm kind of stuck and I need to decide on something. It's a little far off 
>because I need to install that bottom bracket before I put on bar tape but 
>I'm thinking dark brown. I know the tradition is to match it to your 
> saddle 
>but since there are so few Brooks dealers in my town I may just go 
>synthetic, in which case I don't want monochrome tape because that's 
>terribly boring. If anyone's got something that they think looks great on 
>their orange Roadini I'd love to see it!
>
> Thanks for any advice you can give me!
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Joe Bernard]

I don't think the 26th would have such a long "toptube" for its seattube size. 
Plus the under-tube cable routing would be to clear the child seat. 

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[RBW] Got my 61 Roadini set up!

[Joe Bernard]

Shoot, hit send too early. 

...feel right should help. Estimate how many centimeters back you think you 
need, then subtract that from 11cm. I'll bet 8 or 9 would work. 

I don't worry about matching tape to saddle cuz all my saddles are black, I 
just pick a color that contrast well with the frame and is nice to look at 
while pedaling. Greens and blues look killer with orange. 

Have fun!

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[cclivesay]

I assumed that it was the 26th anniversary mixte...


On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 5:55:40 PM UTC+13, Joe Bernard wrote:
> Interesting stuff. I believe the double TT mixte is the Baby Bike.

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[RBW] Got my 61 Roadini set up!

[Joe Bernard]

That's a nice bike!

I recently bought a Shimano 118 BB which should be close enough for your 
cranks, they're easy to find via The Google. 

110mm is way too long for a dropbar on a road bike Riv sized for you. It's 
pretty hard to nail it without buying a stack of stems, but riding with your 
hands pulled back to where you think the hoods would feel riggt

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[RBW] Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Joe Bernard]

Interesting stuff. I believe the double TT mixte is the Baby Bike. 

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack For Big Wald Baskets

[Howard Ramsay]

GP wrote about having direct input with NTTO regarding racks and baskets 
for Rivbikes. When you read about the new racks on the Blahg and see the 
final product photographs you will be able to make a truly informed 
decision. A little time spent waiting on product development will 
undoubtedly save you money and time. You want the best, forget the rest.

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 11:12:48 PM UTC-5, Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
> I finally decided to pull the trigger and am awaiting the delivery of a 
> new Atlantis! I'm transferring most of the parts from other bikes but still 
> debating on the front rack. I'm currently using a Surly 24 pack rack and 
> just strapping a big Sackville basket bag on there. That rack won't 
> transfer to the Atlantis due to the fork crown mounts. I'd like to mount 
> one of the big Wald baskets on a rack for this bike. I would also like it 
> to have a mount for my dynamo light. Currently debating between a Soma 
> porteur rack, demiporteur (Soma or Rawland), or waiting for the new Riv 
> rack. I talked to Will on the phone when ordering and he said the new 
> basket rack should be coming in a month or two. So do I wait for that one 
> or try one of these in the meantime? I also have one of the big Surly front 
> racks but it's heavy and I rarely use front panniers. What racks are other 
> people using with the big baskets? I'd like to be able to carry around 20 
> lbs. Not any everyday thing but it does happen.
>

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[RBW] Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[sameness]

Obligatory Spoiler Alert.

In here 
,
 
from today's Blahg 

:

*Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?*
>
> They're all the same kind of Hillybike, with the identical geometries and 
> handling and tire clearances.
>
> But our Susie W. Longbolts and Wolbis Slugstone [both anagrams of Gus 
> Boots-Wilsen] are for riders under 165lb who'll ride the bikes with 
> dayloads. The frame tubes, fork, and rear dropouts are lighter; the fork 
> has a 1-inch threaded steerer tube, so takes the same quality quill stem as 
> our other bikes.
>
> Neither Susie nor Wolbis pass the ISO mountain bike tests [neither would 
> the best mountain bikes of the '80s]. But they come close. You should know 
> yourself and riding style better than we do, and let that knowledge guide 
> you. In any case, they're made of strong CrMo steel, so they're hardly 
> risky.
>

Also check out the double TT mixte 
.
 
Looks like 54.5 ST, 62TT, 700c, clearance for at least 46s, rear brake 
cable guides running along the underside of the swoopy tube. Possibly side 
pulls?

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Front Rack For Big Wald Baskets

[Joe Bernard]

I've used both SOMA racks. The big one works and looks great, but it's kinda 
like always having a front load even when empty, it felt heavy and unwieldy to 
me. The Demi has fixed struts that I felt placed the rack too far forward of 
the headtube, and I wouldn't dare load 20 lbs. on it. 

As the new owner myself of a MIT Atlantis with a heavy bias towards giving it 
the best, my opinion is wait for the new rack. 

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[RBW] Front Rack For Big Wald Baskets

[Tim Baldwin]

I finally decided to pull the trigger and am awaiting the delivery of a new 
Atlantis! I'm transferring most of the parts from other bikes but still 
debating on the front rack. I'm currently using a Surly 24 pack rack and 
just strapping a big Sackville basket bag on there. That rack won't 
transfer to the Atlantis due to the fork crown mounts. I'd like to mount 
one of the big Wald baskets on a rack for this bike. I would also like it 
to have a mount for my dynamo light. Currently debating between a Soma 
porteur rack, demiporteur (Soma or Rawland), or waiting for the new Riv 
rack. I talked to Will on the phone when ordering and he said the new 
basket rack should be coming in a month or two. So do I wait for that one 
or try one of these in the meantime? I also have one of the big Surly front 
racks but it's heavy and I rarely use front panniers. What racks are other 
people using with the big baskets? I'd like to be able to carry around 20 
lbs. Not any everyday thing but it does happen.

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[RBW] Re: recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[S]

Looks good. Thanks. 

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 5:52:33 PM UTC-7, jandrews wrote:
>
> “s” 
> Yes I bought the frame new on presale and organized having the head tube 
> sprayed before Rivendell shipped out to me 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Original Rivendell Mountain Bike

[RonaTD]

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:07:42 AM UTC-5, Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
> How wide a tire would these mtbs fit, is 2.35 possible, Thanks Steve
>
>
I have managed to stuff 2.25 Schwalbe Winter Marthons under fenders on mine 
... just barely! Currently it has Rat Trap Pass tires and no fenders, which 
clear pretty easily, but fenders are again a tight squeeze.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Original Rivendell Mountain Bike

[RonaTD]

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 6:59:43 PM UTC-5, John McBurney wrote:
>
> How does this bike compare to the Bombadil?  Just eyeballing it, it seems 
> similar  
>

The Bombadil has more BB drop, shallower head tube angle, a bit more fork 
rake, somewhat longer chain stays, 584 and 622 rim diameters, and double 
top tube in all but the smallest size.

Other than that...

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI

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[RBW] Re: Original Rivendell Mountain Bike

[RonaTD]

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 9:52:58 AM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Not sure who sent me this one - 
>

That would be me :-)

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI

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[RBW] I Visit God’s Roof Whilst We Get Ours Replaced

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In which I find a spine, put it in my pipe and smoke it, and shrink and grow 
and shrink and grow by three feet at a time.
https://deaconpatrick.org/visiting-gods-roof-whilst-ours-gets-replaced

With abandon,
Patrick

www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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www.DeaconPatrick.org

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[RBW] Re: recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[jandrews]

“s”
Yes I bought the frame new on presale and organized having the head tube 
sprayed before Rivendell shipped out to me 

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[RBW] Re: Original Rivendell Mountain Bike

[Eric Karnes]

I really like the looks of the GBW, but this well might be my dream bike. 
Man. That. Is. Beautiful.

Eric

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 10:52:58 AM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 3:25:43 PM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote:
>>
>> All this discussion around the GBW, plus my recent interest in older 26" 
>> wheel bikes (a lugged Trek 930 and now an Atlantis) reminded me of the 
>> mountain bike listed in the early Riv catalogs and Readers. In RR #3, Grant 
>> talks about the mountain bike, including a "D/M model" that that is 
>> designed around dirt drops with a 50mm longer headtube, and presumably a 
>> sloping top tube (maybe just an extended head tube above the TT?). My 
>> question is, were any of these made? Any pics online of these beasts? 
>>
>>
> I thought I had another image or two of RBW Mountain models - this is the 
> only one I can lay my hands on this AM
>
> Not sure who sent me this one - Will keep an eye out for the other one 
> that crossed my desk.
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Original Rivendell Mountain Bike

[John McBurney]

How does this bike compare to the Bombadil?  Just eyeballing it, it seems
similar

John

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 7:40 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Interestingly the rarest original Riv looks most like the current ones.
>
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[RBW] Re: Original Rivendell Mountain Bike

[Joe Bernard]

Interestingly the rarest original Riv looks most like the current ones. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

[dougP]

Gabe:

Take advantage of that thought & follow thru.  I have a 16 year old 
Atlantis & was awestruck when I rode the newest iteration.  I thought my 
bike was comfortable but the longer wheelbase is amazing.  Got a chance to 
ride an hour's worth of RBS staff favorite trails & couldn't believe how 
stable & manuverable it is.  

dougP

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 12:21:36 PM UTC-7, oldmangabe wrote:
>
> Hmmm...
>
> This review is making me think about dipping my toes in Atlantean waters 
> again
>
> Gabe
>
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 2:28:23 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I said the 56cm 650B Atlantis was a perfect bike and that I wouldn't 
>> change a thing.  
>>
>> Mike Williams asked for a comparison with the Joe Appaloosa, which is an 
>> excellent bike.  There are a few small but notable differences that make 
>> the Joe Appaloosa a very good bike for Bill Lindsay, and make the Atlantis 
>> a perfect bike for Bill Lindsay.  
>>
>> They both ride great.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa is ideally set up with 
>> Choco bars, in my opinion.  For me, drop bars are just better, and the top 
>> tube length of the Joe Appaloosa would have made a drop bar setup goofy for 
>> me.  The 56cm Atlantis has a slightly shorter top tube and is perfect with 
>> drop bars and a 9cm stem.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa has 700c wheels. When you 
>> run it with stout wheels and tires, those heavy wheels make the bike more 
>> cruiserish and less agile, in my opinion.  The 650B wheels of the Atlantis 
>> are far more preferable in handling.  It is possible that lightweight 700c 
>> wheels and tires could get some of that back.  My preferred agility in 650B 
>> could easily be countered by another person's stability in 700c.  Finally, 
>> I really dislike toe clip overlap.  I really dislike it and avoid it 
>> whenever I can.  I bought the Appaloosa thinking it wouldn't have TCO for 
>> me, because it had a really long front center.  It had less TCO than my 
>> 700c 58cm Atlantis that I used to have, but it still happened, and fully 
>> loaded on campouts it was a problem that I don't want anymore.  650B bikes 
>> in my size never have TCO.  
>>
>> So, if I still had the Appaloosa, I'd still ride it and it would still be 
>> great, but I would wish it was 650B and I would wish that it had a slightly 
>> shorter top tube for a better drop bar setup.  The Atlantis is perfect.  
>> The fact that it is an instantly recognizeable ICON of a machine also makes 
>> the Atlantis perfect, in my eyes.  I also prefer less seatpost showing on a 
>> 56 from the 55 Appaloosa.  The original Atlantis was a masterpiece.  I'm 
>> now convinced the MIT Atlantis is flat out better (for me).  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[spencer robinson]

I have a black pair, I think you are right, the current version is 31.8

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[RBW] Re: Time trial 'bike' - is it a thing?!

[Ash]

Thank you Garth for enlightening me on this world of biking. I might have 
seen such events on the TV, but had no idea at some point the those bikes 
had the invert upright frame design.  Seems like now a days they just have 
super long seat post.

So somebody did dirt touring on a TT bike!  That sounds like extreme 
version of an extreme sport.

I ran into this video on a link you 
shared: 
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/videos/watch/watch-ag2r-development-rider-crashes-high-speed-as-time-trial-bars-snap-after-going-over-bump

I love my Nitto bars even more now :)



On Thursday, 4 April 2019 02:23:57 UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Such design was in vogue in the 80's/90's. That's a track bike, 
> obviously, and here is road TT bike ridden by 5 time TDF Champ Miguel 
> Indurain, A Pinarello ridden in 1992.  He's 6'2 .
> http://www.vintageluxurybicycles.com/indurain-tt
>
> And some of various designs from the 80's on up. Before that riders used 
> their regular road bike for time trials, though they may have done some 
> extreme weight savings measures like drilling holes in various parts.
>
> https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/time-trialling-through-the-ages-25190
> http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/extras/drillium-extras.html
>
> The only difference nowadayze is that everything for racing is carbon, but 
> the premise remains the same , speed speed speed ! . minimize weight 
> and aero drag. While these designs may appear odd in comparing to a Riv 
> kinda bike, a bike is still a bike regardless. We all have our "reasons" , 
> none of which are any better/more/worse/less than any other.   As if any 
> bike/ride/rider is more/less "special" than any other !  HaH !   Oh yes 
>  listen to the cries  yes-but . yes-but  oh the yes-buts 
> . yes-but  So What !Ahahaahaaha !  . and keep a rollin' on 
> our merry way ... over hill and over 'dale . yonder and hither  
> round and and round we go . and ever ever still  here are are . 
>
> How many riders of bikes "like ours" can ride 188km on the backroads of 
> Colombia and Africa on a time trial bike ?  Imagine the screams and cries 
>  where's my big tires where's my long chainstays where's my 
> upright position  where oh where is my darling Clementine !  
> Ahahahahahahaa !   Mad good riding for sure !   
>
>
> https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/chris-froome-takes-time-trial-bike-off-road-latest-strava-ride-406136
>
>
>
>
>  
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 7:20:08 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>>
>>
>> First I thought it must an April fool post.  I had no clue such thing 
>> existed.  An inverted Riv of sorts!
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/sacramento-1986-nishiki-linear-pursuit/6848557336.html
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Crust Towel Rack Drops on Your Riv? Which stem are you using?

[Stephen W.]

John,
   Thank you. I've been riding with this setup for 8 months or so...maybe a bit 
longer. I ride roads and light trail rides; can't ever say I've ever "mountain 
biked"...I enjoy a nice saunter into the forest to make coffee and take 
pictures. I have no complaints about the bars or stem...I also looked into the 
3cm (W)right stem...the upside of the Technomic is that I saved a butt-ton of 
money and that it matches all the silver bits 'n bobs on my bike. I've toured, 
commuted, and lollygagged with this setup and can definitely reccomend it. Let 
me know if you have any other questions, I'd be happy to share my experience. ✌

Stephen 

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[RBW] Re: recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[S]

OT, but is the cream on the headtube of your Simpleone custom? I thought they 
all had green headtubes. 

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[RBW] Re: recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[jandrews]

Thanks Spencer
I don't think they are produced anymore in that size as the world has gone 
to 31.8
Are yours silver or black?


On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 4:10:19 PM UTC-4, spencer robinson wrote:
>
> I have a set of Salsa Woodchippers here with the 25.4 clamp size, short, 
> shallow, and flared out.
> They might am option to consider.

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[RBW] Re: Crust Towel Rack Drops on Your Riv? Which stem are you using?

[John Phillips]

Forgot to say, the Black tires, black B17 and black bar tape look great on 
that green Hunq.

John

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 4:33:40 AM UTC-7, Stephen W. wrote:
>
> John,
>   My 59 650b Hunqapillar...Towel rack...5 cm Technomic stem. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[spencer robinson]

I have a set of Salsa Woodchippers here with the 25.4 clamp size, short, 
shallow, and flared out.
They might am option to consider.

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[RBW] Re: Crust Towel Rack Drops on Your Riv? Which stem are you using?

[John Phillips]

Hey Stephen,

Those photos are a big help. I've been waiting on the next generation 
of Analog Cycles 3cm stems, but I've been leaning towards that 5cm 
Technomic (1st choice), or the 8cm Dirt Drop or 7cm Technomic as runner 
ups. 

How long have you been riding that set up and how do you like it so far? 
Any downsides or unexpected upsides?

Thanks again for posting your photos,

John

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 4:33:40 AM UTC-7, Stephen W. wrote:
>
> John,
>   My 59 650b Hunqapillar...Towel rack...5 cm Technomic stem. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

[oldmangabe]

Hmmm...

This review is making me think about dipping my toes in Atlantean waters 
again

Gabe

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 2:28:23 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I said the 56cm 650B Atlantis was a perfect bike and that I wouldn't 
> change a thing.  
>
> Mike Williams asked for a comparison with the Joe Appaloosa, which is an 
> excellent bike.  There are a few small but notable differences that make 
> the Joe Appaloosa a very good bike for Bill Lindsay, and make the Atlantis 
> a perfect bike for Bill Lindsay.  
>
> They both ride great.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa is ideally set up with Choco 
> bars, in my opinion.  For me, drop bars are just better, and the top tube 
> length of the Joe Appaloosa would have made a drop bar setup goofy for me.  
> The 56cm Atlantis has a slightly shorter top tube and is perfect with drop 
> bars and a 9cm stem.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa has 700c wheels. When you run 
> it with stout wheels and tires, those heavy wheels make the bike more 
> cruiserish and less agile, in my opinion.  The 650B wheels of the Atlantis 
> are far more preferable in handling.  It is possible that lightweight 700c 
> wheels and tires could get some of that back.  My preferred agility in 650B 
> could easily be countered by another person's stability in 700c.  Finally, 
> I really dislike toe clip overlap.  I really dislike it and avoid it 
> whenever I can.  I bought the Appaloosa thinking it wouldn't have TCO for 
> me, because it had a really long front center.  It had less TCO than my 
> 700c 58cm Atlantis that I used to have, but it still happened, and fully 
> loaded on campouts it was a problem that I don't want anymore.  650B bikes 
> in my size never have TCO.  
>
> So, if I still had the Appaloosa, I'd still ride it and it would still be 
> great, but I would wish it was 650B and I would wish that it had a slightly 
> shorter top tube for a better drop bar setup.  The Atlantis is perfect.  
> The fact that it is an instantly recognizeable ICON of a machine also makes 
> the Atlantis perfect, in my eyes.  I also prefer less seatpost showing on a 
> 56 from the 55 Appaloosa.  The original Atlantis was a masterpiece.  I'm 
> now convinced the MIT Atlantis is flat out better (for me).  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

[Bill Lindsay]

I don’t have a 27.5 Hunqapillar. If I wanted to run straight bars for all 
riding I might prefer the Hunqapillar over the Atlantis, maybe. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca. 

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[RBW] Re: FS Nitto Racks M12, Marks, R15

[Frank Brose]

*Marks Rack Sold*

*M12 Sold*
On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 3:20:09 PM UTC-5, Frank Brose wrote:
>
> I'm done. I have the racks on the bikes I need and ride so these are for 
> sale. All in good shape with very little use. Prices include shipping in 
> the CONUS.  
> Thanks,
> Frank
>
> Nitto m12 been mounted so might require some minor adjustment for your 
> application. $60
> Nitto Marks all the hardware. Struts have been cut to 9cm and 27cm $100
> Nitto R15 excellent condition with uncut struts $130
>
> [image: P1010944.JPG][image: P1010931.JPG]
>
> [image: P1010941.JPG]
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[RBW] Re: FS Nitto Racks M12, Marks, R15

[Frank Brose]

*M12 Sold*

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 7:29:14 PM UTC-5, Frank Brose wrote:
>
> *Mark's Rack Sold*
>
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 3:20:09 PM UTC-5, Frank Brose wrote:
>>
>> I'm done. I have the racks on the bikes I need and ride so these are for 
>> sale. All in good shape with very little use. Prices include shipping in 
>> the CONUS.  
>> Thanks,
>> Frank
>>
>> Nitto m12 been mounted so might require some minor adjustment for your 
>> application. $60
>> Nitto Marks all the hardware. Struts have been cut to 9cm and 27cm $100
>> Nitto R15 excellent condition with uncut struts $130
>>
>> [image: P1010944.JPG][image: P1010931.JPG]
>>
>> [image: P1010941.JPG]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

[tc]

Bill, don’t you have  a 27.5 Hunq?  If so, when would you choose it over your 
new Atlantis?

Thanks,
Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Touch-up for the mustard/butternut color?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Thanks Weston, please send us an update with your impressions!

Doug

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 2:09 PM Weston Hein  wrote:

> I have a mustard Clem and was going to order a RAL 1027 touch up pen. Not
> sure if it's exact but should be close enough for me. Hope this helps!
>
> https://www.lvppaints.com/RAL-1027-Touch-Up-Pen.html
>
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[RBW] Re: Weird Comments from the Peanut Gallery...

[Ron Mc]

I always pass those guys on the next climb - few people can climb with me

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 9:47:01 AM UTC-5, Robert Hakim wrote:
>
> This wasn't so recent as it was memorable... 
>>
>>
> A few short days after my partner and I moved to our new neighborhood, we 
> were riding back from the store- groceries in the basket. 
> A spandex clad racer on an uber-stiff, ultra racey carbon rig slowed down 
> as he passed us and in a very odd, loony voice proclaimed:
>
>  "Ha! People! Real, live people! On bikes!"
>
> Then he down-shifted and sped off. 
>
> The route we take to the store is quite popular with recreational roadies, 
> wannabee racers, and actual racers. Sometimes one will see things like 
> grocery bags dangling from aero-bars on tri-bikes. The coffee shop in the 
> neighborhood is often filled with the click-clack of road cleats and carbon 
> soles, and echoes with the elitist, competitive "I rode farther and faster" 
> chatter one would expect around so many racers.
>
> I'm not quite sure if that rider was mocking us, or praising our 
> individuality for riding more practical bicycles in an area where "sport" 
> riding is the generally accepted style. 
>
> Either way, it was a very bizarre interaction, and both Emily and I were 
> so dumbfounded as to what had happened that we couldn't even think of a 
> reply as he raced away.
> We just looked at each other, shrugged, and giggled. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wind, fixed gears, drop bars, and old ladies, nice and nasty

[Patrick Moore]

I was once wearing a similar costume on a morning multi-modal commute --
wool knicks, wool sox, wool jersey (actually, Rivendell Wooly Warm cycling
sweater over wool jersey), wool cycling cap, and twee little Vittoria
sheepskin-lined winter ankle-height cycling boots -- dapper indeed! --
that, admittedly, being old, *were* a wee bit turned up at the toe. I rode
5 miles to the cross-town bus, got on, and the (woman) drive asked me, "Are
you going to a costume party?" I think she was serious. I was crushed.

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:17 AM Craig Montgomery 
wrote:

> 2 decades ago, while wearing knickers, wool over the knee socks, Sidi
> cycling slippers, Irish wool sweater, and a Navy watch cap, I got a "My you
> look dapper" from a 90 year old. Dapper! And I'm sure she know what dapper
> is. I had to look it up.
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 3:04:29 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> It is our windy season (but we don't have winds like Deacon's winds) and
>> I had to ride to the Corrales main post office because the closer branch
>> one was closed for lunch. And because the wind was from the North at steady
>> 20-something with gusts to mid-30s, I had to detour a couple of miles
>> instead of riding NNE along the too-narrow main Corrales road. So, almost
>> 10 miles outbound of which 7 were either north or NW.
>>
>> I debated moving the chain to the 19 t cog, but decided to give the 17 a
>> try (17/19 Dingle, 22 fw on flip side; 70/63/54 gi) and found it not too
>> bad, except during the worst gusts (had to stand a few times on the flat)
>> as long as I hunkered down in the hooks and took it easy. 11.47 mph average
>> outbound, clock running.
>>
>> I did take Corrales Road homeward, south, and could have used a gear well
>> into the 80s.
>>
>> 17.25 miles total and entirely enjoyable! So much does depend on
>> attitude! It took me years to learn not to fight wind. I guess I've learned.
>>
>> While at Sprout's, the old lady in front of me inquired about the
>> Rivendell and admired the VO "hammered" fenders. I've found that there seem
>> to be 2 kinds of old ladies in grocery stores: Nice old ladies, who are
>> polite even if they look askance at the more aggressively styled riding
>> sunglasses* (as well they might; sly, offensive things; I wear them only to
>> protect my eyes)' and the nasty sort who try to cut in front of you; to one
>> of whom my brother, youthful then, and long ago, said: "You may be old, but
>> that doesn't give you the right to be nasty."
>>
>> Patrick "you meet the nicest people on a Rivendell", who is old enough to
>> remember the Honda ad.
>>
>> "nother brother anecdote: Once long ago, in an LA office building
>> elevator in full riding regalia, a woman told him, "My, you look
>> forbidding!"
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And
>> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the
>> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
>> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

[esoterica etc]

As a new owner of a 56cm 650b Atlantis, I have to precognitively say that the 
new Atlantis is a perfect bike. I say that because my Atlantis came to me with 
Choco bars installed and I really like them, but they’re not ideal for me. Like 
Bill and Joe, I want me some drops on my Atlantis. I’m in the process of 
putting together a drop bar cockpit, and I’m 99 & 33/100% sure that when it’s 
completed and installed, it’ll make the Atlantis a perfect bike for me. 

I also agree with Bill’s comparison between the old Atlantis and the new one. I 
had a 700c Toyo Atlantis many years ago and thought it was a brilliant bike. My 
new 650b Atlantis feels no less road-worthy, but a good deal more capable 
off-road. Add to that the additional mounting points, greater stability with 
the longer chainstays, and zero TCO, and you’ve got an even better iteration to 
a machine that I felt was pretty close to perfect the first time around. 

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Apr 3, 2019, at 20:31, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> As the new owner of a 53/650B Atlantis I have to agree it's a perfect bike 
> right down to the name, headbadge and color. It's ridiculously good at the 
> "being a bike" thing. 
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[RBW] Pretend New Bike Day: The Stolen Clem

[tc]

Somehow, I knew this would happen. (Lol we all did).  It’s a great bike ~ 
Clems rule!  Congrats!

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Original Rivendell Mountain Bike

[Cyclofiend Jim]

On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 3:25:43 PM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> All this discussion around the GBW, plus my recent interest in older 26" 
> wheel bikes (a lugged Trek 930 and now an Atlantis) reminded me of the 
> mountain bike listed in the early Riv catalogs and Readers. In RR #3, Grant 
> talks about the mountain bike, including a "D/M model" that that is 
> designed around dirt drops with a 50mm longer headtube, and presumably a 
> sloping top tube (maybe just an extended head tube above the TT?). My 
> question is, were any of these made? Any pics online of these beasts? 
>
>
I thought I had another image or two of RBW Mountain models - this is the 
only one I can lay my hands on this AM

Not sure who sent me this one - Will keep an eye out for the other one that 
crossed my desk.
 

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[RBW] Re: Time trial 'bike' - is it a thing?!

[Andrew Turner]

Looks comfy!

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 6:20:08 PM UTC-5, Ash wrote:
>
>
> First I thought it must an April fool post.  I had no clue such thing 
> existed.  An inverted Riv of sorts!
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/sacramento-1986-nishiki-linear-pursuit/6848557336.html
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Weird Comments from the Peanut Gallery...

[Robert Hakim]

This wasn't so recent as it was memorable... 
>
>
A few short days after my partner and I moved to our new neighborhood, we 
were riding back from the store- groceries in the basket. 
A spandex clad racer on an uber-stiff, ultra racey carbon rig slowed down 
as he passed us and in a very odd, loony voice proclaimed:

 "Ha! People! Real, live people! On bikes!"

Then he down-shifted and sped off. 

The route we take to the store is quite popular with recreational roadies, 
wannabee racers, and actual racers. Sometimes one will see things like 
grocery bags dangling from aero-bars on tri-bikes. The coffee shop in the 
neighborhood is often filled with the click-clack of road cleats and carbon 
soles, and echoes with the elitist, competitive "I rode farther and faster" 
chatter one would expect around so many racers.

I'm not quite sure if that rider was mocking us, or praising our 
individuality for riding more practical bicycles in an area where "sport" 
riding is the generally accepted style. 

Either way, it was a very bizarre interaction, and both Emily and I were so 
dumbfounded as to what had happened that we couldn't even think of a reply 
as he raced away.
We just looked at each other, shrugged, and giggled. 

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 61cm Roadini frameset

[Tommy Patterson]

Reid,

I have a 62 Ram complete that I could sell for a reasonable price. I'm in
NOLA so maybe we could meet in the middle somewhere. Let me know if you're
interested and I can email you a few pics.

Thanks,
Tommy Patterson

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 2:10 PM Reid Echols  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Just curious if anyone has a tall Roadini they're looking to move on, as
> I'm currently short a roadish bike in the stable. Funds are a bit tight
> with a recent move, but I thought I'd see what's out there (and see if any
> opportunities for mutually interesting trades might be afoot--the parts bin
> runneth over).
>
> If you have something in the same spirit (and are in the 96+ PBH range),
> let me know--if nothing else it's fun to look!
>
> Thanks,
> Reid in Austin
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[RBW] Re: Crust Towel Rack Drops on Your Riv? Which stem are you using?

[MCT]

I should note this stem is the same as the one Rivendell sells, but the 
quill length is shorter.  I think Riv is 225mm, while the one I am using is 
190mm.

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 8:40:23 AM UTC-5, MCT wrote:
>
> I use the Nitto NTC-DX in 70cm reach with my towel rock on an MUSA Homer.  
> Important to know it is an MUSA Homer because the top tube is not as long 
> as the MIT Homer, so the reach is not as long as the MIT homer.  I like a 
> wide stance or grip with a shorter reach, so this set up works well for me 
> in drop bar.  I have not used any other stems.  The stem is linked below.  
>
>
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-ntc-dx-technomic-deluxe-long-quill-stem/stem_nitto_ntc-dxlong_870/product
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Crust Towel Rack Drops on Your Riv? Which stem are you using?

[MCT]

I use the Nitto NTC-DX in 70cm reach with my towel rock on an MUSA Homer.  
Important to know it is an MUSA Homer because the top tube is not as long 
as the MIT Homer, so the reach is not as long as the MIT homer.  I like a 
wide stance or grip with a shorter reach, so this set up works well for me 
in drop bar.  I have not used any other stems.  The stem is linked below.  

https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-ntc-dx-technomic-deluxe-long-quill-stem/stem_nitto_ntc-dxlong_870/product






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[RBW] Re: Crust Towel Rack Drops on Your Riv? Which stem are you using?

[Stephen W.]

jandrews,
   C-C at the bar-ends is 680 mm. 

Stephen 

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[RBW] Re: Crust Towel Rack Drops on Your Riv? Which stem are you using?

[jandrews]

Looks good John
Do you know the width of those bars?
Looks like they are currently offered in a 615mm, 645mm and 675mm option.
I believe the early model was 700mm?





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> John,
>   My 59 650b Hunqapillar...Towel rack...5 cm Technomic stem. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Original Rivendell Mountain Bike

[Christopher Cote]

Reginald, I'd love to see pics of your bike. 25 years ago, the cream headtube 
was really special, but now when I see an early Riv in one color, I think they 
look really understated and classy. Perfect for a Riv MTB, IMHO. 

Chris

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[RBW] Crust Towel Rack Drops on Your Riv? Which stem are you using?

[jandrews]

Ryan
Did you end up installing the Towel Rack on your Appaloosa?

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[RBW] recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[tc]

Soma Sparrow?  2 widths offered now. 

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Time trial 'bike' - is it a thing?!

[Garth]

Such design was in vogue in the 80's/90's. That's a track bike, 
obviously, and here is road TT bike ridden by 5 time TDF Champ Miguel 
Indurain, A Pinarello ridden in 1992.  He's 6'2 .
http://www.vintageluxurybicycles.com/indurain-tt

And some of various designs from the 80's on up. Before that riders used 
their regular road bike for time trials, though they may have done some 
extreme weight savings measures like drilling holes in various parts.
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/time-trialling-through-the-ages-25190
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/extras/drillium-extras.html

The only difference nowadayze is that everything for racing is carbon, but 
the premise remains the same , speed speed speed ! . minimize weight 
and aero drag. While these designs may appear odd in comparing to a Riv 
kinda bike, a bike is still a bike regardless. We all have our "reasons" , 
none of which are any better/more/worse/less than any other.   As if any 
bike/ride/rider is more/less "special" than any other !  HaH !   Oh yes 
 listen to the cries  yes-but . yes-but  oh the yes-buts 
. yes-but  So What !Ahahaahaaha !  . and keep a rollin' on 
our merry way ... over hill and over 'dale . yonder and hither  
round and and round we go . and ever ever still  here are are . 

How many riders of bikes "like ours" can ride 188km on the backroads of 
Colombia and Africa on a time trial bike ?  Imagine the screams and cries 
 where's my big tires where's my long chainstays where's my 
upright position  where oh where is my darling Clementine !  
Ahahahahahahaa !   Mad good riding for sure !   

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/chris-froome-takes-time-trial-bike-off-road-latest-strava-ride-406136




 
On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 7:20:08 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
>
> First I thought it must an April fool post.  I had no clue such thing 
> existed.  An inverted Riv of sorts!
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/sacramento-1986-nishiki-linear-pursuit/6848557336.html
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Original Rivendell Mountain Bike

[Steven Sweedler]

How wide a tire would these mtbs fit, is 2.35 possible, Thanks Steve

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 9:59 AM R. Alexis  wrote:

> I have a Rivendell Mountain also. It was supposed to have it's own
> proprietary lug set. Looks like there was not enough interest in the
> Mountain and more in the Road and Allrounder that going with it's own lug
> set was not feasible, so they used the Allrounder lugs with stouter tubing,
> sloping top tube and vertical dropouts along with different geometry.
>
> My Rivendell Mountain is all silver built with a mix of SunTour XC-Pro and
> Wilderness Trail Bike parts. It has Scott AT-3 bars with Softride
> suspension stem and Thudbuster suspension seatpost. Went with the
> suspension stem and post because I was into Softride Beam bikes. Sometimes
> wish I would have splurged for the cream contrasting headtube. Got it
> because I longed for an MB-1. Went with silver on short moment notice when
> I was called about it. Rivendell must have been wrapping up production
> there and needed the color solidified to finish things up. Will try to get
> some picks of it and post.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 9:59:16 PM UTC-5, RonaTD wrote:
>>
>> The link provided shows an All Rounder, which is not the same as the
>> mountain bike. The mountain bike was going to use a fork crown that would
>> look like a lugged unicrown, but the fork blade bends that were required
>> proved to be to difficult.
>>
>> I have a Riv MTB made by Waterford, using the All Rounder fork. The
>> geometry is very similar to a Bridgestone MB-0/1.
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/7627416@N06/sets/72157628554831513
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI
>>
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[RBW] Re: Original Rivendell Mountain Bike

[R. Alexis]

I have a Rivendell Mountain also. It was supposed to have it's own 
proprietary lug set. Looks like there was not enough interest in the 
Mountain and more in the Road and Allrounder that going with it's own lug 
set was not feasible, so they used the Allrounder lugs with stouter tubing, 
sloping top tube and vertical dropouts along with different geometry. 

My Rivendell Mountain is all silver built with a mix of SunTour XC-Pro and 
Wilderness Trail Bike parts. It has Scott AT-3 bars with Softride 
suspension stem and Thudbuster suspension seatpost. Went with the 
suspension stem and post because I was into Softride Beam bikes. Sometimes 
wish I would have splurged for the cream contrasting headtube. Got it 
because I longed for an MB-1. Went with silver on short moment notice when 
I was called about it. Rivendell must have been wrapping up production 
there and needed the color solidified to finish things up. Will try to get 
some picks of it and post. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 9:59:16 PM UTC-5, RonaTD wrote:
>
> The link provided shows an All Rounder, which is not the same as the 
> mountain bike. The mountain bike was going to use a fork crown that would 
> look like a lugged unicrown, but the fork blade bends that were required 
> proved to be to difficult. 
>
> I have a Riv MTB made by Waterford, using the All Rounder fork. The 
> geometry is very similar to a Bridgestone MB-0/1. 
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/7627416@N06/sets/72157628554831513
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI
>
>

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[RBW] recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[Joe Bernard]

That's good information, Philip. I was about to throw in the towel on my RM-3s 
cuz the hoods position isn't working out for me, but I guess I should rotate 
them down, raise that long stem and give the drops a whirl. I never use drops 
on "normal" dropbars, but these are pretty different. Maybe I haven't used them 
correctly yet. 

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[RBW] recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[Philip Williamson]

Oh, also, you don’t ride the RM-3 on the hoods.
You can, I do, but they should be high enough that the drops are the default or 
control position. That’s within an inch of saddle height. That means when shit 
gets real, you drop to the drops.
If you are doing long touring rides, maybe a less dirt oriented bar would be 
better. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[Philip Williamson]

I don’t ride super long distances, just 40 or 50 miles at a stretch. Usually 
much shorter, 10 or 20 miles. The RM-3 is my favorite bar. I like the Midge, 
too; with bar-end shifters it works the same. 

The RM-013 is much more “normal,” deeper, less flare, but still a great bar for 
me. For a while the Woodchipper was my favorite, but it fell out of favor. Riv 
said I’d love the Noodle, but I hated it. If Analog Cycles says you won’t like 
the RM-3 I can’t imagine they’d approve of the Woodchipper. 

I recommend trying out what you want, and reporting back. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: Wind, fixed gears, drop bars, and old ladies, nice and nasty

[Craig Montgomery]

2 decades ago, while wearing knickers, wool over the knee socks, Sidi 
cycling slippers, Irish wool sweater, and a Navy watch cap, I got a "My you 
look dapper" from a 90 year old. Dapper! And I'm sure she know what dapper 
is. I had to look it up. 

Craig in Tucson

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 3:04:29 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> It is our windy season (but we don't have winds like Deacon's winds) and I 
> had to ride to the Corrales main post office because the closer branch one 
> was closed for lunch. And because the wind was from the North at steady 
> 20-something with gusts to mid-30s, I had to detour a couple of miles 
> instead of riding NNE along the too-narrow main Corrales road. So, almost 
> 10 miles outbound of which 7 were either north or NW. 
>
> I debated moving the chain to the 19 t cog, but decided to give the 17 a 
> try (17/19 Dingle, 22 fw on flip side; 70/63/54 gi) and found it not too 
> bad, except during the worst gusts (had to stand a few times on the flat) 
> as long as I hunkered down in the hooks and took it easy. 11.47 mph average 
> outbound, clock running.
>
> I did take Corrales Road homeward, south, and could have used a gear well 
> into the 80s. 
>
> 17.25 miles total and entirely enjoyable! So much does depend on attitude! 
> It took me years to learn not to fight wind. I guess I've learned.
>
> While at Sprout's, the old lady in front of me inquired about the 
> Rivendell and admired the VO "hammered" fenders. I've found that there seem 
> to be 2 kinds of old ladies in grocery stores: Nice old ladies, who are 
> polite even if they look askance at the more aggressively styled riding 
> sunglasses* (as well they might; sly, offensive things; I wear them only to 
> protect my eyes)' and the nasty sort who try to cut in front of you; to one 
> of whom my brother, youthful then, and long ago, said: "You may be old, but 
> that doesn't give you the right to be nasty."
>
> Patrick "you meet the nicest people on a Rivendell", who is old enough to 
> remember the Honda ad.
>
> "nother brother anecdote: Once long ago, in an LA office building elevator 
> in full riding regalia, a woman told him, "My, you look forbidding!"
>
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>
>
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>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pretend New Bike Day: The Stolen Clem

[Joe Bernard]

Me too me too! I'll borrow the old man's eChopper so I can keep up! 藍

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