Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[sameness]

Any interest in a Reacharound 

?

Jeff "Risky Click" Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[Collin A]

You could try some flat honjo fenders, but vertical clearance with mounting 
bolts may still be a problem as others have noted: 
https://sim.works/collections/fenders-simworks-by-honjo/products/flat42

You could also try these as an alternate, but they won't do much to protect 
the drivetrain (should protect your back side and headset though):
https://ass-savers.com/products/fendor-bendor-big-detour
https://ass-savers.com/products/mudder-mini-detour


On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 7:47:28 PM UTC-7, Matt D wrote:
>
> Quick word on how cool it is to have this community - mention a facebook 
> post from someone who fendered a 33mm Roadeo and then get advice from the 
> guy himself. You don't get this sort of thing with Trek or Specialized (of 
> course) or even other smaller frame manufacturers. Thanks, guys!
>
> Yes, so it does seem like it's a sketchy fit but Longboards are the best 
> bet (excluding futzing with metal hardware) because of something or other 
> about how they're mounted. Ours is not to question why, I suppose. Are 
> there by any chance any less-than-full-coverage fenders that won't look too 
> cheap and nasty to leave on? Ass Savers and things like that seem like a 
> decent solution but I think they might end up being either too cheaply made 
> or techno-futuristic to be appropriate for regular use.
>
> Hey Patrick - Христос воскресе!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[Matt D]

Quick word on how cool it is to have this community - mention a facebook 
post from someone who fendered a 33mm Roadeo and then get advice from the 
guy himself. You don't get this sort of thing with Trek or Specialized (of 
course) or even other smaller frame manufacturers. Thanks, guys!

Yes, so it does seem like it's a sketchy fit but Longboards are the best 
bet (excluding futzing with metal hardware) because of something or other 
about how they're mounted. Ours is not to question why, I suppose. Are 
there by any chance any less-than-full-coverage fenders that won't look too 
cheap and nasty to leave on? Ass Savers and things like that seem like a 
decent solution but I think they might end up being either too cheaply made 
or techno-futuristic to be appropriate for regular use.

Hey Patrick - Христос воскресе!

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Re: [RBW] Re: F.S 56 cm. Simpleone

[Steve Butcher]

Bumping my Simpleone and adding a couple of bonus bags.  One Waxwing seat 
wedge and one Gilles Berthoud Alex Singer mini front rack bag.  Both bags 
are light blue grey in color with honey colored leather trim.  Both bags 
are in excellent like new condition and stored indoors and never wet.  The 
front bag fits nicely on the front rack on the Simpleone.  The price for 
the entire package is still $1000.00 plus packaging and shipping from 
65804.  Please DM me off list with questions.  Steve

On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 8:30:00 AM UTC-5, jandrews wrote:
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> I don’t think it was a discount QB 
> I honk it actually cost more than the latest QB when it was released. It 
> was made in Taiwan instead of in Japan by  Panaracer.  According to GP in 
> one of the blogs, geometry is “nearly identical”. It had a slightly fancier 
> fork and a kickstand plate.  Not sure if he tubing is a touch stouter or 
> not but I suspect it could be

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Dia-Compe 287V - Drop Bar Levers for Long Pull

[jandrews]

bumpity bump.




On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 8:51:18 AM UTC-4, jandrews wrote:
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> Looking for a gently used pair of these.
> Brown hoods preferred but Black will do too
> Thanks
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[RBW] Re: Race Report, Oh My!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Friendly competition is an entirely different beastie than racing, and you've 
got it dialed it. Och, aye! Bells are flat to useless when wet or muddy and 
ain't no way 'round it but to let em dry and flick it off. Grin. Trails 
following lake contours are fun ... and surprisingly varied. Looks like a 
fantastic and gritty time. Heal well from your tumbles!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[John G.]

If anyone has pics and tips for fendering a Roadeo with 32mm tires, please send 
‘em my way. Oh, but wait, I just remembered that 28 is the new 32!

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[RBW] Re: Race Report, Oh My!

[Collin A]

Patrick, my camera skills are not the greatest, but thank you for the 
compliment!

Tom, I ended up with the microshift 9 speed advent clutch deraileur and 
shifter. It works well enough, but doesn't look as nice as the silver bits, 
sadly.

The framebag is a custom from Rockgeist bags: 
https://rockgeist.com/product/halfframebag/ 
Greg is a wonderful guy to work with and there are lots of options on what 
can be done with those bags. They are a bit pricy, but nicely made and fits 
my frame like a glove, and the lace-ups look better than the velcro straps 
in my opinion. The patch is courtesy of Crust Bikes, it speaks to me, haha.

The light is a pre-production version of the k-lite, but pretty much the 
same as the production I think: https://www.kliteusa.net/product-page/klite
It has a symmetrical beam pattern, so I'd recommend sticking to the trails 
with this light (or make some sort of cutoff to avoid blinding people).

I've found the ring-volume of the bell is significantly hampered when the 
bell ends up full of mud or covered in water, pro-tip!

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 4:15:27 PM UTC-7, tc wrote:
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> Holy cow - muddy is right!  Congrats - sounds like a blast. 
> So, is an ugly big ol’ indexing SRAM shifter in your future? 
> Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dealing with verbal harrassment on the road

[hugh flynn]

It's weird, but yer right (It's not weird that you're right, that happens
often enough. Rather, it's the  situation in New Hampshire that's weird).

I live in northern MA, but ride up into N.H. all the time. I swear just
crossing state line improves things. That whole "Masshole" thing is
certainly well-earned.

Hugh Flynn
Newburyport, MA

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 3:45 PM Peter White  wrote:

> There's an easy fix for this problem.
>
> MOVE TO NEW HAMPSHIRE!
>
> Here in New Hampshire, even the guys in the pickup trucks jacked up an
> extra foot with the AR-15 in the rear window gun rack are extremely polite.
> When I occasionally go south to MA to ride with old friends I'm always
> intimidated by the drivers.
>
> Peter White
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 12:55 PM John Clifford 
> wrote:
>
>> I've had people yell at me to get off the road when I was in a marked
>> bicycle lane, too. I've had people pull up beside me on a narrow two-lane
>> residential corridor and tell me that riding on the road was unsafe...
>> while they were about to push me into the ditch. In both cases, it was a
>> woman, in a nice crossover SUV (Lexus, Mercedes), who I assume were trying
>> to do me a favor and inform me of my bad or unsafe behavior of being on the
>> road. I've only had one problem in a rural area, while I was part of a big
>> ride (Seattle to Portland) where a logging truck deliberately tried to run
>> me off the road into a bramble-filled ditch. Very scary to have those big
>> truck wheels within a foot of me. But, most people are nice, and I agree
>> with the advice of smiling and waving... it seems to wake people up and
>> shame them.
>>
>> I have to wonder if much of this is due to the stresses of modern life
>> and the culture we live in that makes some people think they are best
>> qualified to tell others what to do and how to live. That's what I get on
>> my bike to escape from.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[Bill Lindsay]

It's true that when you buy metal fenders, you are free to throw away the 
existing hardware and make your own.  Laing, if you are willing to educate 
the group how to make replacement mounting hardware to exceed the clearance 
of SKS fenders, I bet a lot of folks would be grateful for the info.

For starters, I don't know what you are talking about when you say "crimp 
on mounts".  I know what a crimp is, but I don't know what a crimp on mount 
is in the context of metal fender setup.  I also have a lot of tools but 
I've only been working on biked for 40 years, so I'm still learning.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, Ca

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
>
> I mount my own fenders. I can put a metal fender on any of my bikes and 
> equal or better the clearance of a plastic fender. You can use crimp on 
> mounts anywhere on a metal fender - you can even cut off the crimp and 
> rivet them to the outside of the fender and presto! - more clearance than a 
> plastic. Through bolts are NOT required.  
>
> I rode plastic fenders in the 70s and 80s. I prefer metal, but I have a 
> lot of tools and have been collecting fender hardware for years and I have 
> been working on bikes for 50 years. If you prefer to have plastic fenders 
> good for you, but don't spread falsehoods about metal fenders.
>
> Laing
> Cocoa, FL
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 12:37:18 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The idea that metal fenders have less clearance than SKS generally stems 
>> from the fact that most metal fenders have bulky hardware that you run 
>> inside the fender to attach the stays.  SKS fenders have that flat plate 
>> riveted to the fender, so there's almost nothing inside the fender in the 
>> way of hardware.  In virtually all cases, the stay is held in place by a 
>> daruma bolt.  There's a nut inside at least.  Some people run a washer 
>> inside as well.  Some run the daruma cups inside.  The stack up of that 
>> standard hardware is at least 4mm tall.  In my experience Velo Orange 
>> daruma bolts are over-long, so if you don't scrub off the excess, that 
>> stack up could be taller.  
>>
>> Additionally, the rolled edge of most metal fenders can be another issue, 
>> particularly through the fork crown.  That edge in a SKS fender is much 
>> flatter.  People like Jan recommend a 10mm gap (or more) from the fender 
>> surface to the tire, everywhere.  Bulky hardware eats into that 10mm in 
>> spots.  The rolled edge may drop that 10mm to 7mm, but that's OK.  
>>
>> People who don't actually care about fender clearance and instead want to 
>> find the larger possible tire they can run with fenders with no rubbing, 
>> generally find that combination with plastic fenders.  I don't think I've 
>> ever heard a mechanic claim they could make room for fatter tires by 
>> swapping from plastic fenders to metal.  
>>
>> On my 57cm Leo Roadini, I run 28mm tires when the bike has metal fenders 
>> on it.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 6:20:03 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
>>>
>>> The idea that metal fenders have less clearance than SKS is false. You 
>>> can buy wider metal fenders than you can plastic. You can press/pound a 
>>> recess into metal fenders at the fork crown, front brake area to increase 
>>> the overall clearance in other areas. Some Honjo fenders can be had 
>>> pre-clearanced for this purpose. You cannot put a recess in the SKS plastic 
>>> fenders without cutting. If you want to maximize clearance, you can always 
>>> cut the fenders (plastic or metal) at the fork crown, front brake area, 
>>> this cures the open brake - fender interference issue. The forward part of 
>>> the fender can be held in place with a modified "diving board" rack mount, 
>>> fender stay, rack or some combination thereof. Rivendell will even do this 
>>> for you.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Cocoa, FL
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 9:24:28 PM UTC-4, Matt D wrote:
>>>
 My 61 Roadini is set up with 17mm Alexrims G6000 rims, Panaracer 
 Gravelking 32c tires (which run true to size), and Tektro R539 brakes. I'm 
 headed to merrie olde England in June with bicycle in tow and I'd like to 
 prepare for the rain that seems to go along with the island but I'm not 
 sure I can fit them.

 My research has only turned up this - Paul Gong on a RBWOB facebook 
 group says:
 *"I have a Roadeo which has the same designed-in clearances. I can just 
 fit Jack Browns and SKS P45 Longboards with careful installation. This was 
 a combo that Rivendell often featured on their website and Instagram. I'm 
 pretty certain metal fenders like VO and Honjo wouldn't fit with Jack 
 Browns. Their design and hardware require more clearance than Longboards."*

 Jack Browns, of course, being 33.3mm. That makes me suspect that 
 Rivendell's limit of 28 with fenders might be a little conservative. I 
 don't intend to ride many loose surfac

[RBW] Re: for sale-Nitto M-18 front rack

[Steve Butcher]

The rack has been sold.  Thanks to those who inquired.  Steve

On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
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> [image: 20190504_104753.jpeg]
>
> [image: 20190504_104837.jpeg]
> I'm offering for sale this Nitto M-18 front rack.  It is in like new 
> condition and has never been used to haul a load just support a very small 
> front bag.  The stays which have never been cut are 10 inches long.  The 
> platform measures 4 1/4 by 8 inches.  P-Clamps are included for mounting to 
> fork legs.  Always stored indoors and never wet.  I want $100.00 for the 
> rack shipped in CONUS.  PayPal preferred.  Please PM me off list with 
> questions.  Thanks.  Steve
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[RBW] Race Report, Oh My!

[tc]

Holy cow - muddy is right!  Congrats - sounds like a blast. 
So, is an ugly big ol’ indexing SRAM shifter in your future?
Tom

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Re: [RBW] Race Report, Oh My!

[Patrick Moore]

Collin: Thanks for that informative and witty report, and the wonderful
photos -- as someone who is entirely hamfisted with cameras, I appreciate
expertise.

I've never seen so many bottles on 1 bike.

Is that frame bag made by FBJ Creations? If not, please post source. I use
a Med Revelate, but it doesn't quite fit my Matthews, and (2) I could use a
wee bit more room inside. I see that the bag allows a 28 oz bottle on the
seat tube; important. (Tsk tsk for the language.)

What is the light?

Crane bell: just splurged on Spurs for 2003 riv and Matthews; high zoot but
really the nicest while also loudest sound I've heard.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:02 PM Collin A  wrote:

> Not the typical report that comes from the site, I know, but I think its
> worth mentioning since diversity in thought helps contribute to an
> inclusive group!
>
>
>
> I’ve got a history in racing, but from the side of running, so I’ve always
> had an itch that a race usually scratches, just that sense of competition
> (and the comradery) that can only really develop in a race. Obviously, I
> wasn’t riding for the podium, so it wasn’t cut throat, but instead
> cheerful, friendly and chatty.
>
>
>
> There were quite a few interesting bikes out there. Some retrotechs,
> blackcats, singlespeeds, vintage MTBs, full carbon squish machines, you
> name it, there was a good variety in the group. The people were mostly top
> notch as well, with most speaking out against the hard-ass personalities
> that can sometimes dominate the group during these kinds of events, so it
> was nice to see and hear all sorts of people out enjoying a fun and
> difficult day out on the trails. Still plenty of interesting comments and
> reactions to the ol’ Clem Smith, though, mostly from the single-speeders
> and other rigid bike riders.
>
>
>
> I stripped the bike down to its basics: Two bottles, ½ framebag, no racks
> or basket (wah wah), and even switched out to my racey clip pedals rather
> than my normal flat pedals, but kept the brooks and my safety triangle for
> some flare. Things worked well for the most part, except I had some
> drivetrain problems with friction shifting (hence an update to the advent
> in the last month) and took a wrong turn at one point, whoops. I endo’d
> twice and busted my brake levers and tweaked the front brake in the
> process…did I mention it was muddy and very wet? Needless to say, it was a
> tough course on the bike and the body, but the bike definitely performed
> better than the body.
>
>
>
> Overall it was a great day, I stayed around the middle of the pack and had
> fun with the other riders and the course volunteers and realized that a
> lime-a-rita tastes amazing at the end of a hard race, ha!
>
>
>
> Here are some before and after shots, hopefully it gives you a good idea
> of the level of muddiness that was on the trails that day… (scroll to the
> bottom of the album https://photos.app.goo.gl/JU2uuwp957K5S5H79)
>
>
>
> Enjoy the week everyone!
>
>
>
> Collin in Oakland
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Re: [RBW] Fixed gear bike packing

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A friend was talking to Sheldon Brown a few years back about a ride he was 
putting together to cross the USA on fixed gear bikes. Sheldon’s response was 
classic:

“In the old days, that’s how they all did it."

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> On May 14, 2019, at 4:04 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
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> If fixed gear taught me one thing it's that the gear selection doesn't 
> matter. They're out riding and that does matter. Grin.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Race Report, Oh My!

[Collin A]

A route map might be helpful, it would make for a nice little bumble around 
the lake for those interested:
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/19396289

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[RBW] Fixed gear bike packing

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If fixed gear taught me one thing it's that the gear selection doesn't matter. 
They're out riding and that does matter. Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Race Report, Oh My!

[Collin A]

Not the typical report that comes from the site, I know, but I think its 
worth mentioning since diversity in thought helps contribute to an 
inclusive group!

 

I’ve got a history in racing, but from the side of running, so I’ve always 
had an itch that a race usually scratches, just that sense of competition 
(and the comradery) that can only really develop in a race. Obviously, I 
wasn’t riding for the podium, so it wasn’t cut throat, but instead 
cheerful, friendly and chatty.

 

There were quite a few interesting bikes out there. Some retrotechs, 
blackcats, singlespeeds, vintage MTBs, full carbon squish machines, you 
name it, there was a good variety in the group. The people were mostly top 
notch as well, with most speaking out against the hard-ass personalities 
that can sometimes dominate the group during these kinds of events, so it 
was nice to see and hear all sorts of people out enjoying a fun and 
difficult day out on the trails. Still plenty of interesting comments and 
reactions to the ol’ Clem Smith, though, mostly from the single-speeders 
and other rigid bike riders.

 

I stripped the bike down to its basics: Two bottles, ½ framebag, no racks 
or basket (wah wah), and even switched out to my racey clip pedals rather 
than my normal flat pedals, but kept the brooks and my safety triangle for 
some flare. Things worked well for the most part, except I had some 
drivetrain problems with friction shifting (hence an update to the advent 
in the last month) and took a wrong turn at one point, whoops. I endo’d 
twice and busted my brake levers and tweaked the front brake in the 
process…did I mention it was muddy and very wet? Needless to say, it was a 
tough course on the bike and the body, but the bike definitely performed 
better than the body.

 

Overall it was a great day, I stayed around the middle of the pack and had 
fun with the other riders and the course volunteers and realized that a 
lime-a-rita tastes amazing at the end of a hard race, ha!

 

Here are some before and after shots, hopefully it gives you a good idea of 
the level of muddiness that was on the trails that day… (scroll to the 
bottom of the album https://photos.app.goo.gl/JU2uuwp957K5S5H79)

 

Enjoy the week everyone!

 

Collin in Oakland

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[RBW] Re: FS: 54.5 MIT AHH

[Joe Bernard]

Phil, you got pics?

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[RBW] Fixed gear bike packing

[Patrick Moore]

Dn Patrick: I read this, snorted, and thought of you.


*See, it used to be that everyone was using gearing that was way too big,
and that was annoying enough.  Now, however, it seems that everybody's
running gears that are too small in order to prove what rugged terrain they
ride and how much crap they carry.  As far as I can tell, with GRX you can
run something like a 31 in the front and a 34 in the back, and yet I keep
seeing commentary along the lines of, "This GRX gearing is not low enough!
I have three WolfTooth adapters on my long-cage derailleur so I can run a
modified 53-tooth front chainring as my lowest gear in the rear, and I've
got a 13-tooth rear cog bolted onto the spider of my front crank, which is
what you really for the climbs around here--especially when you're carrying
a pour-over coffee maker in the pocket of your Rapha gravel shorts."*
* At this rate the low-gearing backlash is all but assured, and when that
happens I've got two words for you: "fixie bikepacking."*

>From BSNYC, of course, commenting scientifically on Shimano's new gravel
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[RBW] FS: nitto rbw51 top rack

[jamin orrall]

selling an older nitto riv top rack, front mount diving board installed and the 
struts are cut to fit my cheviot perfectly (should sit level on other 700c rivs 
as well). Riv just restocked these but it looks like they have already sold 
out. 

$120 shipped conus

pics
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Jamin
Nashville, TN

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[RBW] Pedals and Kickstands for sale

[Steve Butcher]

Hi Forum,
 As I go through stuff I'm not using and needing, I am going to offer 
for sale one pair of MKS Grip King/lambda silver pedals, one silver 
Pletcher two leg kickstand including rubber tips for both legs, and one 
Velo Orange two leg porteur kick stand.  The items are in very good as new 
condition.  The pedals spin freely.  The pletcher kickstand has not been 
cut.  I would like $40.00 for each item shipped CONUS or will sell the 
whole lot for $100.00 shipped CONUS.  Please DM me off list with 
questions.  
Steve

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[RBW] Re: FS: 54.5 MIT AHH

[phil k]

What measurements are you looking for?

Here are the measurements for Riv bikes. It may or may not have the 
measurements you are looking for.

https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 3:14:52 PM UTC-4, S wrote:
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> Hi Phil,
>
> What are your measurements? Not sure if this is my size or not. Thanks! 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 700C wheel sets, tires, old school brake set and shifters

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for posting the photos. Unfortunately, I'll have to pass -- was
thinking about another DC brake -- the Royal Grand Comp.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 11:33 AM John Casteen 
wrote:

> Thank you (all y'all) for the interest. Photos in this folder:
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1rxqXJLKnSpXOXTbnWtZiL31izZ30i50Z
>
> Wheelset display mechanism not included in sale of wheelsets...
>
> Your questions:
>
> Wesley, both sets still here and available.
>
> André, these levers may mount to braze-ons as well as this band clamp
> situation. PM me with diameter if you're interested and I'd be happy to
> check.
>
> Patrick, these brakes and levers are as taken from service this morning.
> They worked dandy the last time I stopped my bike with them, which was
> yesterday.
>
> Thanks again, and happy Tuesday, everyone.
>
> John
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2019, 12:55 PM Wesley Applequist <
> wesley.applequ...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Can you post some pictures? I’m definitely a bit interested in a set.
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[RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[Jeremy Till]

I don't think Bill is spreading falsehoods about metal fenders. He is not 
saying that plastic fenders absolutely have more clearance than metal 
fenders. I think that he is saying in the situation of trying to cram as 
large a tire as possible and a fender into a given frame/brake combination, 
and considering the stock hardware that comes with most fenders (which, on 
metal fenders, often involves darumas or bolts with nuts on the inside of 
the fender), it may be easier to achieve the desired result with the 
current SKS fenders than the current commonly available metal fenders. 

I certainly agree that with metal fenders, especially those that aren't 
pre-drilled for hardware, are much more adaptable in terms of how you mount 
them. If you have access to riveting tools you can rivet L-brackets to 
them. You can bolt them to dedicated mounts on the frame and racks 
(assuming your frame and racks were built with them) with button head 
bolts. My wife's bike (Heron Touring) has some Honjo fenders that came to 
me with special plates to attach the fender stays rather than darumas, and 
those definitely take up relatively little space on the inside of the 
fender (I see them now on the SimWorks website, listed as the "Stay Band 
Set": https://sim.works/collections/small-parts-simworks-by-honjo). But all 
of this is a lot more customization and effort when compared to what it 
takes to install a pair of SKS fenders.  

I am in a similar situation to the OP: my Rambouillet (an older Rivendell 
road bike that also used 47-57mm reach brakes) came with 28mm tires and 
hammered Honjo fenders. The fenders are the narrowest Honjos I've seen but 
the daruma bolts at the fork crown and stay mounts are definitely the 
limiting factor. I could cut down threaded ends of the darumas and maybe 
use thinner nuts, but I'd still probably be hesitant to run anything much 
wider than 28mm. I've thought about switching the fenders out for some 45mm 
longboards I have and seeing if I could run 32-33mm tires. At the same 
time, my primary motivation for going to larger tires is riding gravel and 
dirt, so maybe it's better to just ditch the fenders entirely and run tires 
in the 35mm range. I live in California and rain isn't a year-round 
phenomenon here.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
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> I mount my own fenders. I can put a metal fender on any of my bikes and 
> equal or better the clearance of a plastic fender. You can use crimp on 
> mounts anywhere on a metal fender - you can even cut off the crimp and 
> rivet them to the outside of the fender and presto! - more clearance than a 
> plastic. Through bolts are NOT required.  
>
> I rode plastic fenders in the 70s and 80s. I prefer metal, but I have a 
> lot of tools and have been collecting fender hardware for years and I have 
> been working on bikes for 50 years. If you prefer to have plastic fenders 
> good for you, but don't spread falsehoods about metal fenders.
>
> Laing
> Cocoa, FL
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 12:37:18 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The idea that metal fenders have less clearance than SKS generally stems 
>> from the fact that most metal fenders have bulky hardware that you run 
>> inside the fender to attach the stays.  SKS fenders have that flat plate 
>> riveted to the fender, so there's almost nothing inside the fender in the 
>> way of hardware.  In virtually all cases, the stay is held in place by a 
>> daruma bolt.  There's a nut inside at least.  Some people run a washer 
>> inside as well.  Some run the daruma cups inside.  The stack up of that 
>> standard hardware is at least 4mm tall.  In my experience Velo Orange 
>> daruma bolts are over-long, so if you don't scrub off the excess, that 
>> stack up could be taller.  
>>
>> Additionally, the rolled edge of most metal fenders can be another issue, 
>> particularly through the fork crown.  That edge in a SKS fender is much 
>> flatter.  People like Jan recommend a 10mm gap (or more) from the fender 
>> surface to the tire, everywhere.  Bulky hardware eats into that 10mm in 
>> spots.  The rolled edge may drop that 10mm to 7mm, but that's OK.  
>>
>> People who don't actually care about fender clearance and instead want to 
>> find the larger possible tire they can run with fenders with no rubbing, 
>> generally find that combination with plastic fenders.  I don't think I've 
>> ever heard a mechanic claim they could make room for fatter tires by 
>> swapping from plastic fenders to metal.  
>>
>> On my 57cm Leo Roadini, I run 28mm tires when the bike has metal fenders 
>> on it.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 6:20:03 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
>>>
>>> The idea that metal fenders have less clearance than SKS is false. You 
>>> can buy wider metal fenders than you can plastic. You can press/pound a 
>>> recess into metal fenders at the fork crown, front brake area to increase 
>>> t

[RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[LBleriot]

I think 28mm tires is the widest you're gonna be able to safely run on the 
Roadini.  I tried a couple of plastic and metal fenders and found that with 
Soma Vitesse tires Handsome's metal fenders gave me the most clearance, but 
the difference between metal and plastic was negligible; it's all tight.

On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 9:24:28 PM UTC-4, Matt D wrote:
>
> My 61 Roadini is set up with 17mm Alexrims G6000 rims, Panaracer 
> Gravelking 32c tires (which run true to size), and Tektro R539 brakes. I'm 
> headed to merrie olde England in June with bicycle in tow and I'd like to 
> prepare for the rain that seems to go along with the island but I'm not 
> sure I can fit them.
>
> My research has only turned up this - Paul Gong on a RBWOB facebook group 
> says:
> *"I have a Roadeo which has the same designed-in clearances. I can just 
> fit Jack Browns and SKS P45 Longboards with careful installation. This was 
> a combo that Rivendell often featured on their website and Instagram. I'm 
> pretty certain metal fenders like VO and Honjo wouldn't fit with Jack 
> Browns. Their design and hardware require more clearance than Longboards."*
>
> Jack Browns, of course, being 33.3mm. That makes me suspect that 
> Rivendell's limit of 28 with fenders might be a little conservative. I 
> don't intend to ride many loose surfaces or gravel so I'm not all too 
> worried about things getting caught under it. Is anyone else running 
> fenders above 28mm on their Roadini or Roadeo and if so, what do you 
> suggest I use?
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[RBW] Farmers Daughter Gravel Grinder

[Tim Bantham]

Anyone in the Northeast planning on riding this event this Sunday? I will 
be there along with other list members Ben, Spencer and I'm sure others. 
I'll likely be riding my Hillborne. Come hang out and ride with us Unracer 
style! I am planning on a shorter version of the official route which 
avoids the muddy off road sections. 

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[RBW] FS: 54.5 MIT AHH

[S]

Hi Phil,

What are your measurements? Not sure if this is my size or not. Thanks! 

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[RBW] FS: 54.5 MIT AHH

[phil k]

For sale 54.5cm Made in Taiwan A Homer Hilsen. This thing is in excellent 
condition, low mileage.

Frame/Fork/headset/bb/seatpost - $ 1150 plus shipping bike flights. I will 
add Rivendell Silver wide low crankset 38/24t, 170mm for $150 extra.

Frame/Fork/headset/bb/seatpost + paul funky monkey front cable hanger + 
paul silver anondized silver racers. - $1300 plus shipping bike flights. I 
will throw in a pair of polished silver Paul Moon Unit cable yokes for 
free. I will add Rivendell Silver wide low crankset 38/24t. 170mm arms for 
$100 extra.


Also have Mark's Rack with extended struts, wald medium basket, and outer 
shell basket bag (in ranger green color) that I might be able to include 
with any of the above options if interested.

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[RBW] Re: PSA Quickbeam on Craigslist in Bar Harbor, ME

[sameness]

I interacted with the seller when it was listed on Ebay. 

Seems like a straight shooter, I think he's just trying for a private party 
transaction to get around dealing with PayPal.

Not mine, no affiliation, etc.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: PSA Quickbeam on Craigslist in Bar Harbor, ME

[John G.]

If you even SORTA think you need a Quickbeam, you should hop on this offer. 
It's a great deal, IMHO. I paid $1500 for mine a year ago.

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 12:09:42 PM UTC-4, ted wrote:
>
> Yes. You do.

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[RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[lconley]

I mount my own fenders. I can put a metal fender on any of my bikes and 
equal or better the clearance of a plastic fender. You can use crimp on 
mounts anywhere on a metal fender - you can even cut off the crimp and 
rivet them to the outside of the fender and presto! - more clearance than a 
plastic. Through bolts are NOT required.  

I rode plastic fenders in the 70s and 80s. I prefer metal, but I have a lot 
of tools and have been collecting fender hardware for years and I have been 
working on bikes for 50 years. If you prefer to have plastic fenders good 
for you, but don't spread falsehoods about metal fenders.

Laing
Cocoa, FL

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 12:37:18 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The idea that metal fenders have less clearance than SKS generally stems 
> from the fact that most metal fenders have bulky hardware that you run 
> inside the fender to attach the stays.  SKS fenders have that flat plate 
> riveted to the fender, so there's almost nothing inside the fender in the 
> way of hardware.  In virtually all cases, the stay is held in place by a 
> daruma bolt.  There's a nut inside at least.  Some people run a washer 
> inside as well.  Some run the daruma cups inside.  The stack up of that 
> standard hardware is at least 4mm tall.  In my experience Velo Orange 
> daruma bolts are over-long, so if you don't scrub off the excess, that 
> stack up could be taller.  
>
> Additionally, the rolled edge of most metal fenders can be another issue, 
> particularly through the fork crown.  That edge in a SKS fender is much 
> flatter.  People like Jan recommend a 10mm gap (or more) from the fender 
> surface to the tire, everywhere.  Bulky hardware eats into that 10mm in 
> spots.  The rolled edge may drop that 10mm to 7mm, but that's OK.  
>
> People who don't actually care about fender clearance and instead want to 
> find the larger possible tire they can run with fenders with no rubbing, 
> generally find that combination with plastic fenders.  I don't think I've 
> ever heard a mechanic claim they could make room for fatter tires by 
> swapping from plastic fenders to metal.  
>
> On my 57cm Leo Roadini, I run 28mm tires when the bike has metal fenders 
> on it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 6:20:03 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
>>
>> The idea that metal fenders have less clearance than SKS is false. You 
>> can buy wider metal fenders than you can plastic. You can press/pound a 
>> recess into metal fenders at the fork crown, front brake area to increase 
>> the overall clearance in other areas. Some Honjo fenders can be had 
>> pre-clearanced for this purpose. You cannot put a recess in the SKS plastic 
>> fenders without cutting. If you want to maximize clearance, you can always 
>> cut the fenders (plastic or metal) at the fork crown, front brake area, 
>> this cures the open brake - fender interference issue. The forward part of 
>> the fender can be held in place with a modified "diving board" rack mount, 
>> fender stay, rack or some combination thereof. Rivendell will even do this 
>> for you.
>>
>> Laing
>> Cocoa, FL
>>
>> On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 9:24:28 PM UTC-4, Matt D wrote:
>>
>>> My 61 Roadini is set up with 17mm Alexrims G6000 rims, Panaracer 
>>> Gravelking 32c tires (which run true to size), and Tektro R539 brakes. I'm 
>>> headed to merrie olde England in June with bicycle in tow and I'd like to 
>>> prepare for the rain that seems to go along with the island but I'm not 
>>> sure I can fit them.
>>>
>>> My research has only turned up this - Paul Gong on a RBWOB facebook 
>>> group says:
>>> *"I have a Roadeo which has the same designed-in clearances. I can just 
>>> fit Jack Browns and SKS P45 Longboards with careful installation. This was 
>>> a combo that Rivendell often featured on their website and Instagram. I'm 
>>> pretty certain metal fenders like VO and Honjo wouldn't fit with Jack 
>>> Browns. Their design and hardware require more clearance than Longboards."*
>>>
>>> Jack Browns, of course, being 33.3mm. That makes me suspect that 
>>> Rivendell's limit of 28 with fenders might be a little conservative. I 
>>> don't intend to ride many loose surfaces or gravel so I'm not all too 
>>> worried about things getting caught under it. Is anyone else running 
>>> fenders above 28mm on their Roadini or Roadeo and if so, what do you 
>>> suggest I use?
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 700C wheel sets, tires, old school brake set and shifters

[John Casteen]

Thank you (all y'all) for the interest. Photos in this folder:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1rxqXJLKnSpXOXTbnWtZiL31izZ30i50Z

Wheelset display mechanism not included in sale of wheelsets...

Your questions:

Wesley, both sets still here and available.

André, these levers may mount to braze-ons as well as this band clamp
situation. PM me with diameter if you're interested and I'd be happy to
check.

Patrick, these brakes and levers are as taken from service this morning.
They worked dandy the last time I stopped my bike with them, which was
yesterday.

Thanks again, and happy Tuesday, everyone.

John

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> Can you post some pictures? I’m definitely a bit interested in a set.
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[RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[Bill Lindsay]

The idea that metal fenders have less clearance than SKS generally stems 
from the fact that most metal fenders have bulky hardware that you run 
inside the fender to attach the stays.  SKS fenders have that flat plate 
riveted to the fender, so there's almost nothing inside the fender in the 
way of hardware.  In virtually all cases, the stay is held in place by a 
daruma bolt.  There's a nut inside at least.  Some people run a washer 
inside as well.  Some run the daruma cups inside.  The stack up of that 
standard hardware is at least 4mm tall.  In my experience Velo Orange 
daruma bolts are over-long, so if you don't scrub off the excess, that 
stack up could be taller.  

Additionally, the rolled edge of most metal fenders can be another issue, 
particularly through the fork crown.  That edge in a SKS fender is much 
flatter.  People like Jan recommend a 10mm gap (or more) from the fender 
surface to the tire, everywhere.  Bulky hardware eats into that 10mm in 
spots.  The rolled edge may drop that 10mm to 7mm, but that's OK.  

People who don't actually care about fender clearance and instead want to 
find the larger possible tire they can run with fenders with no rubbing, 
generally find that combination with plastic fenders.  I don't think I've 
ever heard a mechanic claim they could make room for fatter tires by 
swapping from plastic fenders to metal.  

On my 57cm Leo Roadini, I run 28mm tires when the bike has metal fenders on 
it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 6:20:03 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
>
> The idea that metal fenders have less clearance than SKS is false. You can 
> buy wider metal fenders than you can plastic. You can press/pound a recess 
> into metal fenders at the fork crown, front brake area to increase the 
> overall clearance in other areas. Some Honjo fenders can be had 
> pre-clearanced for this purpose. You cannot put a recess in the SKS plastic 
> fenders without cutting. If you want to maximize clearance, you can always 
> cut the fenders (plastic or metal) at the fork crown, front brake area, 
> this cures the open brake - fender interference issue. The forward part of 
> the fender can be held in place with a modified "diving board" rack mount, 
> fender stay, rack or some combination thereof. Rivendell will even do this 
> for you.
>
> Laing
> Cocoa, FL
>
> On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 9:24:28 PM UTC-4, Matt D wrote:
>
>> My 61 Roadini is set up with 17mm Alexrims G6000 rims, Panaracer 
>> Gravelking 32c tires (which run true to size), and Tektro R539 brakes. I'm 
>> headed to merrie olde England in June with bicycle in tow and I'd like to 
>> prepare for the rain that seems to go along with the island but I'm not 
>> sure I can fit them.
>>
>> My research has only turned up this - Paul Gong on a RBWOB facebook group 
>> says:
>> *"I have a Roadeo which has the same designed-in clearances. I can just 
>> fit Jack Browns and SKS P45 Longboards with careful installation. This was 
>> a combo that Rivendell often featured on their website and Instagram. I'm 
>> pretty certain metal fenders like VO and Honjo wouldn't fit with Jack 
>> Browns. Their design and hardware require more clearance than Longboards."*
>>
>> Jack Browns, of course, being 33.3mm. That makes me suspect that 
>> Rivendell's limit of 28 with fenders might be a little conservative. I 
>> don't intend to ride many loose surfaces or gravel so I'm not all too 
>> worried about things getting caught under it. Is anyone else running 
>> fenders above 28mm on their Roadini or Roadeo and if so, what do you 
>> suggest I use?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[Ian A]

The SKS do come with breakaway mounts for the front fender stays, which are 
good to have when there is limited clearance. 

IanA

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[RBW] Re: PSA Quickbeam on Craigslist in Bar Harbor, ME

[ted]

Yes. You do.

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[RBW] Re: PSA Quickbeam on Craigslist in Bar Harbor, ME

[Christopher Cote]

Wally, I found your pics in the "bike swap find" thread. I'd wager it's the 
same bike. I do not need a Quickbeam, I do not need a Quickbeam, I do not need 
a Quickbeam...

Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 700C wheel sets, tires, old school brake set and shifters

[Patrick Moore]

+2 on photos; of the brakes in particular.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:49 AM André Pinter  wrote:

> +1 on pictures, mostly interested in the shifters, do they mount to the
> regular braze on mounts?
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:05:40 AM UTC-7, John Casteen wrote:
>>
>> After a couple years of trying various wheel and tire combinations,
>> here's spring cleaning.  Selling these wheels because I switched to dyno
>> hubs.  These have low miles, no issues.  All prices negotiable & exclusive
>> of shipping.
>>
>> Wheels 1: 700C Alex DM18 rims, Silver Hubs, skewers.  OEM from stock
>> Appaloosa build.  $200
>>
>> Wheels 2: 700C Mavic CXP rims, Shimano Claris hubs, skewers.  $150
>>
>> 700C Little Big Bens Performance Line RaceGuard LiteSkin, black, w/
>> tubes, $50
>>
>> Dia-Compe 500 brakes and matching levers, vintage 1985, $25
>>
>> SunTour downtube shifters, ditto, $25
>>
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[RBW] Re: Just cycling

[aeroperf]

Shimanami Kaido is on my bucket list as well.  But it doesn't seem worth 
the $$ to ship my Sam unless I do more than that.
So I'm considering the "Route Romantique" in San'in as the add-on.
Has anybody shipped a bike to Japan?  Is it easy?  Hard?  Expensive?  Do 
you ship it to a bike dealer there?


On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 9:25:20 AM UTC-4, Thomas Blak wrote:
>
> Last week I did some cycling in Japan but didn't have my own bike. Tires 
> were 25mm and I kept wishing I had brought my own bike with 42mm tires. I 
> will do this trip again in the near future but I will bring my own bike. 
> Still was fun though. 
>
> This week I decided to take another cycling trip, this time in Gatineau 
> Quebec. This is right across the river from Ottawa, Canada. The Gatineau 
> Parkway is a jewel in the park. Closed to automobile traffic at the moment, 
> means just being able to ride without worries. I also brought my Sam 
> Hillborne which is a joy to ride. 
>
> First photo, tour in Japan.
> Second photo, my car trip to Gatineau. First time using my Thule roof 
> rack. Tim Horton's cup to show I am really Canadian. 
> Third photo my Sam on the Parkway. 
>
> [image: 1.JPG]
>
>
> [image: 2.JPG]
>
>
> [image: 3b.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 700C wheel sets, tires, old school brake set and shifters

[André Pinter]

+1 on pictures, mostly interested in the shifters, do they mount to the 
regular braze on mounts?

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:05:40 AM UTC-7, John Casteen wrote:
>
> After a couple years of trying various wheel and tire combinations, here's 
> spring cleaning.  Selling these wheels because I switched to dyno hubs.  
> These have low miles, no issues.  All prices negotiable & exclusive of 
> shipping.  
>
> Wheels 1: 700C Alex DM18 rims, Silver Hubs, skewers.  OEM from stock 
> Appaloosa build.  $200
>
> Wheels 2: 700C Mavic CXP rims, Shimano Claris hubs, skewers.  $150
>
> 700C Little Big Bens Performance Line RaceGuard LiteSkin, black, w/ tubes, 
> $50
>
> Dia-Compe 500 brakes and matching levers, vintage 1985, $25
>
> SunTour downtube shifters, ditto, $25
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 52cm Clementine frame and fork

[Andrew Nussbaum]

It sound like Kim only wants to sell this locally.  Is there anyone in the 
San Diego area who'd be willing to facilitate the sale / shipping?

On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 10:55:22 AM UTC-6, Kim wrote:
>
> I have a 52 Clem H, mustard, frame and fork for $400 if anyone wants to 
> pick it up in north San Diego Co.  Unridden, but parts were mounted then 
> removed.  I don't know if this is a "Clementine" that you guys are 
> referencing, or something different.  You can text me in the 949 area code 
> at 426-8242.
> Thanks, KT.
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 3:53:39 AM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> I know, a unicorn might be easier to find. But I understand they don't 
>> like to be ridden, so I'm trying for a Clementine frame and fork. Had one 
>> that I sold for financial reasons. Cash, trade or some of both. I have a 
>> 24" Raleigh International, Brooks saddles, various Riv-approved handlebars, 
>> and Paypal or check. Kindly reply off list. Thanks!
>>
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[RBW] Re: PSA Quickbeam on Craigslist in Bar Harbor, ME

[Wally Estrella]

I wonder if this was the one at the Great Maine Bike Swap.  I deleted the 
photos I had so nothing to compare it against.   It's the same size as the 
one @ the swap.

You know you want it, Chris! ;)

"...too far away for me to help with a sale..."  I'm not as far away as 
Chris to this (10' closer), BUT I might be able to help get this and get it 
to a new home if there's any interest from this board.  I'll be in 
Thomaston, ME this Saturday, May 18th.  Thomaston to Bar Harbor is about 
1.5 hours.  If you could convince the seller to deliver it to me in 
Thomaston, I'd bring it south to Saco.  Then get it packaged up for you.  
HIt me offline via email to discuss details.

CHEERS!
Wally













On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 8:19:59 AM UTC-4, Christopher Cote wrote:

> Gorgeous orange QB in 58cm for $1000:
>
>
> https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/d/bar-harbor-rivendell-quickbeam/6888448139.html
>
> Not mine, too far away for me to help with a sale, and sadly, my knees 
> can't handle singlespeed any longer. Hope it goes to a loving home.
>
> Chris
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[lconley]

The idea that metal fenders have less clearance than SKS is false. You can 
buy wider metal fenders than you can plastic. You can press/pound a recess 
into metal fenders at the fork crown, front brake area to increase the 
overall clearance in other areas. Some Honjo fenders can be had 
pre-clearanced for this purpose. You cannot put a recess in the SKS plastic 
fenders without cutting. If you want to maximize clearance, you can always 
cut the fenders (plastic or metal) at the fork crown, front brake area, 
this cures the open brake - fender interference issue. The forward part of 
the fender can be held in place with a modified "diving board" rack mount, 
fender stay, rack or some combination thereof. Rivendell will even do this 
for you.

Laing
Cocoa, FL

On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 9:24:28 PM UTC-4, Matt D wrote:

> My 61 Roadini is set up with 17mm Alexrims G6000 rims, Panaracer 
> Gravelking 32c tires (which run true to size), and Tektro R539 brakes. I'm 
> headed to merrie olde England in June with bicycle in tow and I'd like to 
> prepare for the rain that seems to go along with the island but I'm not 
> sure I can fit them.
>
> My research has only turned up this - Paul Gong on a RBWOB facebook group 
> says:
> *"I have a Roadeo which has the same designed-in clearances. I can just 
> fit Jack Browns and SKS P45 Longboards with careful installation. This was 
> a combo that Rivendell often featured on their website and Instagram. I'm 
> pretty certain metal fenders like VO and Honjo wouldn't fit with Jack 
> Browns. Their design and hardware require more clearance than Longboards."*
>
> Jack Browns, of course, being 33.3mm. That makes me suspect that 
> Rivendell's limit of 28 with fenders might be a little conservative. I 
> don't intend to ride many loose surfaces or gravel so I'm not all too 
> worried about things getting caught under it. Is anyone else running 
> fenders above 28mm on their Roadini or Roadeo and if so, what do you 
> suggest I use?
>

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[RBW] PSA Quickbeam on Craigslist in Bar Harbor, ME

[Christopher Cote]

Gorgeous orange QB in 58cm for $1000:

https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/d/bar-harbor-rivendell-quickbeam/6888448139.html

Not mine, too far away for me to help with a sale, and sadly, my knees can't 
handle singlespeed any longer. Hope it goes to a loving home.

Chris

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