date:20191207

Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

2019-12-07 Thread Wyatt

Rich - I talked my girlfriend into dropping me off in Nashville (we got an 
AirBnB not far from the trace the night before I left). We met back up in 
Natchez where a few of our friends live. I did the ride in 5 days, which is 
about as many nights in a row that I want to camp these days. Plenty of 
good quiet places to hang a hammock, didn't seem to really matter if they 
were designated as "camp sites" or not. Would have been happy to add a 
night and break it up with a log cabin stay in French Camp, in retrospect. 
I realize that's not much of a tip in terms of accommodations, but it is a 
convenient arrangement if you can swing it... 

Paul - nice pics, looks like a fun crew. I rode right past French Camp 
thinking I might regret that decision and now I really do!

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:51:39 AM UTC+8, RichS wrote:
>
> Paul, thank you for the info and pics.
> Looks like an enjoyable ride both visually and historically.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:56 PM, 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>  
> R Shannon, 
>
> If interested, here is a Flickr album + two, that I put together from a 
> March, 2018 Trace trip from Natchez to Nashville with two buddies:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157690091752920
>
> "Local Color":  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157695163021394
>
> Historical Markers, etc.":  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157690092078560
>
> The three of us did not explore stop at Tishomingo State Park, or the 
> creeks and waterfalls like Wyatt did, but did camp most of the way, except 
> for a storm in Tupelo and a delightful stay in a log cabin at French Camp, 
> MS - highly recommended! Spring or Fall are definitely recommended. We 
> chose south-to-north to "follow" the emerging spring weather. Apparently 
> the Spring can be more volatile (tornadoes) though. We saw evidence of that 
> from two weeks before in southern Miss.
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, VA
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: R Shannon >
> To: : >
> Sent: Sat, Dec 7, 2019 11:21 am
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv
>
> Wyatt, 
>
> Thanks for that description. I have also contemplated doing the trail.
> Fall would also be my choice for best time to do the ride.
>
> How long did your trip take and what did you do for accommodations?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:13 AM, Wyatt > wrote:
>
>  
> Tim: I enjoyed it, especially the stretch from Nashville down to about 
> Tishomingo State Park in Mississippi. That's the hilliest section of riding 
> and just about every 15 or 20 miles there is another clear creek or 
> waterfall to cool off in. Lots of trees, great hammock camping, worth 
> taking it slow. Don't miss the old CCC swinging bridge hidden at the back 
> of Tishomingo State Park, especially because it leads to the last good 
> creek on the route. Around Tupelo, you hit the mosquito line and the bugs 
> start coming out in thick black clouds ready to eat you alive. Be prepared. 
> Definitely take the bike path detour off the Trace that passes through 
> Jackson, not only does it get you out of bad traffic, but it's also just a 
> nice ride. The last 125 miles or so are hot and mostly flat and good for a 
> fast finish if you have it in you. (I was ready for it to be over.) I'd do 
> it again, but probably in the late fall.  
>
>
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:54:02 AM UTC+8, Timothy Hurley wrote:
>
> Wyatt, 
>What touring on the Trace like? I’ve been thinking about that trip for 
> ages. 
>
> Thanks, 
>  T.J.
>
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Re: [RBW] Silver2 shifters on downtube?

2019-12-07 Thread esoterica etc

Yep Joe, you’re right. I recently built up a Clem for my wife with mustache 
bars and Silver1 shifters mounted to an IRD stem adapter. Even though I haven’t 
handled the Silver2’s in person, I’m pretty positive that the Silver1’s work 
better than the Silver2’s on a stem mount. Bill is also right— stem shifters 
ARE boss. Besides the Clem, I’ve built up three other bikes recently (within 
the last couple years) with Suntour Power Ratchet stem-mounted shifters (very 
similar ratcheting action to Silver shifters). I really like stem shifters and 
think it’s definitely an underrated location for shifters. 

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC

> On Dec 7, 2019, at 15:38, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Hmm, the stem mount, I forgot that thing was a thing. This would solve a 
> problem I have with my right hand..I've switched rear shifters to the left 
> side, and on my Clem H with a front shifter it's mounted so I kinda manhandle 
> it with the whole hand to move the shifter (not often in front). With this I 
> could have both shifters on the left: one on the bar and one on stem. 
> 
> Me-thinks Silver1 works better on the stem, though. You get that nice 'top of 
> the fingers' touch on it. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Joe Bernard

It's a thing I insist upon on my Twitter feed, although harder to pull off now 
than when I started there nearly a decade ago. I've made some incredible 
lifelong friends - some I've since met in person - because I reached out to 
people I disagree with. 

Incidentally studies show that people who cross aisles tend to soften their 
most extreme beliefs. I've found this to be true. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

2019-12-07 Thread R Shannon

Paul, thank you for the info and pics.
Looks like an enjoyable ride both visually and historically.

Best,
Rich in ATL

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:56 PM, 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> R Shannon,
> 
> If interested, here is a Flickr album + two, that I put together from a 
> March, 2018 Trace trip from Natchez to Nashville with two buddies:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157690091752920
> 
> "Local Color":  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157695163021394
> 
> Historical Markers, etc.":  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157690092078560
> 
> The three of us did not explore stop at Tishomingo State Park, or the creeks 
> and waterfalls like Wyatt did, but did camp most of the way, except for a 
> storm in Tupelo and a delightful stay in a log cabin at French Camp, MS - 
> highly recommended! Spring or Fall are definitely recommended. We chose 
> south-to-north to "follow" the emerging spring weather. Apparently the Spring 
> can be more volatile (tornadoes) though. We saw evidence of that from two 
> weeks before in southern Miss.
> 
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, VA
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: R Shannon 
> To: : 
> Sent: Sat, Dec 7, 2019 11:21 am
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv
> 
> Wyatt,
> 
> Thanks for that description. I have also contemplated doing the trail.
> Fall would also be my choice for best time to do the ride.
> 
> How long did your trip take and what did you do for accommodations?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:13 AM, Wyatt  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Tim: I enjoyed it, especially the stretch from Nashville down to about 
>> Tishomingo State Park in Mississippi. That's the hilliest section of riding 
>> and just about every 15 or 20 miles there is another clear creek or 
>> waterfall to cool off in. Lots of trees, great hammock camping, worth taking 
>> it slow. Don't miss the old CCC swinging bridge hidden at the back of 
>> Tishomingo State Park, especially because it leads to the last good creek on 
>> the route. Around Tupelo, you hit the mosquito line and the bugs start 
>> coming out in thick black clouds ready to eat you alive. Be prepared. 
>> Definitely take the bike path detour off the Trace that passes through 
>> Jackson, not only does it get you out of bad traffic, but it's also just a 
>> nice ride. The last 125 miles or so are hot and mostly flat and good for a 
>> fast finish if you have it in you. (I was ready for it to be over.) I'd do 
>> it again, but probably in the late fall. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:54:02 AM UTC+8, Timothy Hurley wrote:
>> Wyatt, 
>>What touring on the Trace like? I’ve been thinking about that trip for 
>> ages. 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>>  T.J.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Drw

I’ll refrain from engaging politically, since it’s super prohibited. I do think 
that everyone has been pretty cordial and understanding to others. I understand 
that political things can go sour fast, and that’s why it’s frowned on here, 
but at this point in time it’s worth momentarily celebrating whatever 
cross-the-aisle communication that is happening here. 
It’s becoming more and more rare.

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Bosco, Tallux, XTR, XT, Crust, Suntour, Sugino, SOMA.....

2019-12-07 Thread Joe Bernard

PM sent on the Boscos. 

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

2019-12-07 Thread Evan E.

If anyone on this list is still considering VP pedals, you might want to 
read this review from Rob Perks of Ocean Air Cycles:

http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/04/22/vp-vice-and-001-pedal-comparison/

The gist: VP Vice pedals have better bearings and a lower Q factor than do 
the VP-001 pedals (aka Thin Gripsters). 

BTW, I've been commuting on VP Vice pedals for three years now. I think the 
left pedal just developed a click. I blame you, Kieran! :)

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-12-07 Thread Leah Peterson

I could not be happier  Looks fantastic, and your paint won’t be scuffed. 
Bravo!!

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> Ok, Leah, you've inspired me.
> Lights for the Holidaze!
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-12-07 Thread masmojo

Ok, Leah, you've inspired me.
Lights for the Holidaze!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/hpHBSJd8JQPG9hSf9

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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Joe Bernard

The problem I see going forward if this Executive Power situation continues 
unchecked is the precedent will be set. Why would a Democrat win in '20 or '24 
and go back to the good old days? That's not how reality works. Anything the 
president gets away with now will be paid back later, and most of the folks 
supporting that Dem will applaud. Then we're screwed forever yippee ky yay 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread masmojo

I've been a little hesitant to jump into the pool, but seeing as it's come up
I'll say a few words.

The current Liberal Vs. Conservative, Left Vs. Right crap that's going on is
just decisiveness, either "side" is made up of people with various beliefs and
were the "liberals" to go away it wouldn't be 10 minutes before the "
Conservatives" were divided into several factions.

I think it more important to stand for ideals and be consistent. Is it
reasonable that the Republican party objected to virtually everything Obama
tried to do no matter how much sense it made or whether it was good for the
country; it was objected to at face value. OK, fine, but now they want support
from across the aisle and are somehow surprised that they don't get it. Really?

Politics is about compromise, finding a middle ground. Inflexibility is met
with inflexibility. Really, doesn't matter which "side" your on as long as you
use the same gauge, the same yardstick. The same people who derided Clinton for
adultry don't seem to have the same conviction when it comes to Trump. The same
people who criticized Obama for writing executive orders when he didn't enjoy a
party majority; are noticeably silent when Trump writes MORE executive orders
even though he enjoyed having a majority in both houses until recently. The
"Tea party" cried about the deficit, but when the GOP voted to increase the
deficit under this president did they say anything? Crickets!

Grant is Rivendell and by his own admission he is reluctant to say anything
about politics, but he is a product of his generation and whether I agree with
him or not. (Generally, I do) how can a resonable person, a humanitarian stand
by & say nothing?

All I am trying to say is if you are for something or against something fine,
just make sure you don't compromise your integrity. I think America really
needs another couple viable parties. Then everyone would be forced to
compromise, forge alliances and work together and maybe deviciveness would be
reduced.
I vote for the Common Sense Party, because it would bring something we don't
have now.

Sorry, but I got that out.

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[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Mark Roland

I won't attempt to answer your question, but I will say that thinking in 
the U.S. has become so binary that any remark one makes is often enough for 
people to immediately assign you a label, and all the attributes they 
associate with that label now become attached to you (if not the bike you 
rode in on.) To me, that is the greatest danger, the inability of a 
country's citizens to think, discern, write, speak with any nuance. Hard to 
have any real understanding or empathy if we can't at least do that.

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:09:26 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I just wonder how someone who identifies themselves as conservative could 
> purchase something from Riv and not see a conflict? Grant and crew have 
> always put forth ideas and been involved in actions that are decidedly 
> liberal, IMHO. How do you square the business model of a company that is in 
> many ways the opposite of a prescribed belief system? Same for the liberal 
> folks who buy from Amazon?
>
>
>
> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:48:54 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> "But thanks for playing, everybody" was a statement to everybody who 
>> brought politics into it. That's what "everybody" means. I also said in a 
>> following comment just forget it and I will probably delete the original 
>> post, and I felt like the conversation had already drifted past this little 
>> kerfuffle. I don't this it as necessary to go back and reference every 
>> comment and "progressivism" and all that crap. 
>>
>> The reality is I was excited about the TV lady being a Riv Rider and 
>> posted here what Will posted on the email. In retrospect it was a bad idea. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Patrick Moore

This seems to me to be a very workable modus vivendi.

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 1:03 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "Why buy from a liberal if you're conservative?"
>
> Why be friends with a conservative if I'm liberal? Same answer as the one 
> above: Life is better this way. I have close friends who don't agree with me 
> politically AT ALL and it would be insane for me to consider this as a debit 
> against them, that's simply not on the table.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Joe Bernard

"I’m not saying you’re gonna get it, Joe, but you have to have an ideal."

Well neither of us are running the joint so I guess we roll with it or talk 
about folders and Pedersen bikes on internet-bob. The reality is the Blahg 
became a separate and more personal section of rivbike.com a few years ago and 
that transition has been reflected here. I'm choosing to roll with it 

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

2019-12-07 Thread 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch

R Shannon,
If interested, here is a Flickr album + two, that I put together from a March, 
2018 Trace trip from Natchez to Nashville with two buddies:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157690091752920
"Local Color":  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157695163021394
Historical Markers, etc.":  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157690092078560
The three of us did not explore stop at Tishomingo State Park, or the creeks 
and waterfalls like Wyatt did, but did camp most of the way, except for a storm 
in Tupelo and a delightful stay in a log cabin at French Camp, MS - highly 
recommended! Spring or Fall are definitely recommended. We chose south-to-north 
to "follow" the emerging spring weather. Apparently the Spring can be more 
volatile (tornadoes) though. We saw evidence of that from two weeks before in 
southern Miss.
Paul GermainMidlothian, VA

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From: R Shannon 
To: : 
Sent: Sat, Dec 7, 2019 11:21 am
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

Wyatt,
Thanks for that description. I have also contemplated doing the trail.Fall 
would also be my choice for best time to do the ride.
How long did your trip take and what did you do for accommodations?
Thank you!
Best,Rich in ATL

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:13 AM, Wyatt  wrote:



Tim: I enjoyed it, especially the stretch from Nashville down to about 
Tishomingo State Park in Mississippi. That's the hilliest section of riding and 
just about every 15 or 20 miles there is another clear creek or waterfall to 
cool off in. Lots of trees, great hammock camping, worth taking it slow. Don't 
miss the old CCC swinging bridge hidden at the back of Tishomingo State Park, 
especially because it leads to the last good creek on the route. Around Tupelo, 
you hit the mosquito line and the bugs start coming out in thick black clouds 
ready to eat you alive. Be prepared. Definitely take the bike path detour off 
the Trace that passes through Jackson, not only does it get you out of bad 
traffic, but it's also just a nice ride. The last 125 miles or so are hot and 
mostly flat and good for a fast finish if you have it in you. (I was ready for 
it to be over.) I'd do it again, but probably in the late fall. 


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Wyatt,
   What touring on the Trace like? I’ve been thinking about that trip for ages.

Thanks,
     T.J.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread James Warren



I’m not saying you’re gonna get it, Joe, but you have to have an ideal.


> On Dec 7, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Really there's no "off topic" until the moderator says so. I've seen plenty 
> of Blahg-tangent discussions here because yes, Riv is Grant and Grant has 
> been an interesting figure in this business for over 30 years. I don't think 
> you're going to get "only the bikes and parts" here, it's not realistic. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Joe Bernard

Really there's no "off topic" until the moderator says so. I've seen plenty of 
Blahg-tangent discussions here because yes, Riv is Grant and Grant has been an 
interesting figure in this business for over 30 years. I don't think you're 
going to get "only the bikes and parts" here, it's not realistic. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread James Warren



No, paleo diets were not acceptable content. If people view them as such, they 
are off topic. My point is that this forum did remain much more On topic 
between its start and say, 2012 or so.

> On Dec 7, 2019, at 1:20 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> But that's not how it's been.  Paleo diets -- to cite one example -- have 
> been acceptable material for discussion on list because Grant wrote about 
> them in a book of his.  Likewise the "just ride" philosophy.   So if fried 
> pork rinds are in scope, I don't see why film cameras aren't as well.  
> They're certainly healthier for you than fried pork rind.
> 
> 
>> 
>> For much of a decade the forum was very well-focused and on topic. The topic 
>> degradation then got worse and that happened well outside of discussions of 
>> elected officials and their policies.
>> 
>> *Ride reports most likely from the types of rides that Rivs are optimized 
>> for (S24Os for example) but given it’s a ride report, some leeway was to be 
>> expected.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Discussing bike stuff is what we're here for.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 12/7/19 4:08 PM, James Warren wrote:

My understanding when this forum started was that “Discussing Riv products
specifically and quality ride* reports” (ridden on other brands being OK if
it’s a ride report) was what we’re here for. BOBish philosophies and Grant’s
ideas about cameras would be OT. Unless Riv starts selling a specific camera.

But that's not how it's been. Paleo diets -- to cite one example --
have been acceptable material for discussion on list because Grant wrote
about them in a book of his. Likewise the "just ride" philosophy. So
if fried pork rinds are in scope, I don't see why film cameras aren't as
well. They're certainly healthier for you than fried pork rind.

For much of a decade the forum was very well-focused and on topic. The topic
degradation then got worse and that happened well outside of discussions of
elected officials and their policies.

*Ride reports most likely from the types of rides that Rivs are optimized for
(S24Os for example) but given it’s a ride report, some leeway was to be
expected.

On Dec 7, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Garth wrote:

Discussing bike stuff is what we're here for.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Joe Bernard

There's only so far you can go with "no politics" when the Blahg very clearly 
expresses politics and this forum is about that company. I posted the pic with 
a rather naive admonition of NO POLITICS, as if that would solve any discussion 
complexities..I'm an idiot! But in general I think discussions such as this are 
not entirely The Bad Thing if they don't blow up too badly. To some degree 
*this* discussion is more about *dealing* with differences than the actual 
differences themselves, which I find interesting. But I'm just some dude. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread James Warren

My understanding when this forum started was that “Discussing Riv products 
specifically and quality ride* reports” (ridden on other brands being OK if 
it’s a ride report) was what we’re here for. BOBish philosophies and Grant’s 
ideas about cameras would be OT. Unless Riv starts selling a specific camera.

For much of a decade the forum was very well-focused and on topic. The topic 
degradation then got worse and that happened well outside of discussions of 
elected officials and their policies.

*Ride reports most likely from the types of rides that Rivs are optimized for 
(S24Os for example) but given it’s a ride report, some leeway was to be 
expected.

> On Dec 7, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> Discussing bike stuff is what we're here for. 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Chris L

Making one's political leanings known is no big deal (although I also 
prefer all of my hobbies to remain free of politics) but routinely calling 
half the country (and half of your potential customers) racist, insinuating 
that black people can't leave their homes for fear of being lynched by 
white supremacists or saying that a young black woman has likely never had 
a positive experience with a middle aged white guy, as Grant routinely 
does, cannot be a positive thing in promoting one's business.And then 
Grant doesn't understand why RBW is not getting many orders.  People do 
make purchasing decisions based on politics.  Like it or not.  

I have a ton of respect for Grant and the way he runs his business and 
treats his employees.  I also enjoy reading most of the non-bike stuff he 
writes about and of course, I love the bikes but some of the things he says 
in the political realm literally make him look nuts to much of the rest of 
the country.   Pam Karlan day?  REALLY?   

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 2:03:46 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> "Why buy from a liberal if you're conservative?"
>
> Why be friends with a conservative if I'm liberal? Same answer as the one 
> above: Life is better this way. I have close friends who don't agree with 
> me politically AT ALL and it would be insane for me to consider this as a 
> debit against them, that's simply not on the table. 
>
> I may not buy a product from a company waving Trump in my face on the Home 
> page - he's a lunatic fake conservative who's scamming his supporters, in 
> my opinion - but I wouldn't base all my purchase decisions on the general 
> political ideology of the people selling them. That's not healthy. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Brian Campbell

Interesting answers so far. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Garth


It seems at this point either no one else comment, or else Jim will have to 
come along and waste his time editing/deleting it because regardless of 
Joe's intention in posting, was political in nature. 

There is no such thing as an Intelligent discussion about politics, zippo, 
nada.  Intelligence isn't up for debate/choice/will as there is no 
debating/bait-ing/choosing/willing Intelligence. 
"equality" makes no sense as Intelligence is Singularly Single... 
Indivisibly Indivisible. One and All there is no "other".  

So Grant made a comment in his blog about said person, that doesn't make it 
okay to bring it here as this isn't his blog. If you want to comment him, 
contact him, not this here group. Discussing bike stuff is what we're here 
for. 


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[RBW] Silver2 shifters on downtube?

2019-12-07 Thread Joe Bernard

Hmm, the stem mount, I forgot that thing was a thing. This would solve a 
problem I have with my right hand..I've switched rear shifters to the left 
side, and on my Clem H with a front shifter it's mounted so I kinda manhandle 
it with the whole hand to move the shifter (not often in front). With this I 
could have both shifters on the left: one on the bar and one on stem. 

Me-thinks Silver1 works better on the stem, though. You get that nice 'top of 
the fingers' touch on it. 

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[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Joe Bernard

"Why buy from a liberal if you're conservative?"

Why be friends with a conservative if I'm liberal? Same answer as the one 
above: Life is better this way. I have close friends who don't agree with me 
politically AT ALL and it would be insane for me to consider this as a debit 
against them, that's simply not on the table. 

I may not buy a product from a company waving Trump in my face on the Home page 
- he's a lunatic fake conservative who's scamming his supporters, in my opinion 
- but I wouldn't base all my purchase decisions on the general political 
ideology of the people selling them. That's not healthy. 

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[RBW] Silver2 shifters on downtube?

2019-12-07 Thread Bill Lindsay

The real question is how they look and work on the stem. So few people 
recognize the truth that stem shifters are freaking BOSS that I just have to 
assume it’s up to me to try it first. 

Bill Lindsay
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[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Jason Fuller


I think more than anything, people have vastly different conceptions of 
what being liberal or being conservative is.  The information you get about 
either side is entirely different based on your source of news, or your 
family / friends word of mouth.  That said I've never worried about talking 
politics with bike people, because 99%+ of bike people are decidedly 
left-leaning. However, I recognize that in certain rural areas, 
particularly as you go south, there has been a long-standing misconception 
about what being liberal means, so I don't hold it against anyone in that 
scenario for not seeing that as something they want to be a part of. 

Also, I think of discussing left vs right and discussing Trump as two 
different things.  Donald is a brash, small-minded bully and that has 
nothing to do with his being president, and I don't think any Republican 
should take those words as being against their beliefs: those are things 
about Don, not about Republicans.  The same goes for any President - you 
can't paint half the country with the same brush as the singular leader. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread A. Douglas M.

Great quote, Patrick. 

I love Rivendell’s cycling philosophy, and I think Grant is a great person. 

With that said, I prefer my bikes sans political commentary. 

I also really enjoy kale and my wife’s blueberry pie. They are also most 
enjoyable when separated.

It makes me sad to look at a beautiful bike and get distracted by politics, but 
I understand that business owners often want to use their position as a voice 
for unrelated philosophies. 

Best,

Aaron in El Paso

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[RBW] WTB: 12mm Inner Chainring Bolts & 4mm spacers (for granny ring attachment to Flag crankarms M8)

2019-12-07 Thread Pancake

Thanks to a generous group member I now have a great pair of Specialized
"Flag" ST crankarms. And thanks to another group member I have 110/74
chainrings and chain guard for them.

*But I'm missing the ~4mm spacers and 12mm or 12.5mm bolts to attach the
inner ring to the crankarm. Like
these:
https://www.loosescrews.com/product/sugino-12mm-inner-chainring-bolts-4mm-spacers/

*Does anyone have these chainring bolts and spacers? *

I'll try my LBS but was hoping to find someone on the list if possible.

After this I think I'm nearly done with the parts for my gift / budget
build - brother-in-law doesn't know how lucky he is gonna be with this
setup! Here's a build list (of mostly spare parts from my Cheviot and Sam
builds) for the curious:

Frame Velo Orange Campeur, 61cm (between a Sam and a LHT geometry)
Chainrings Velo Orange Guard/46/30
Crankarms Specialized Flag ST 175mm crankarms
Bottom Bracket UN-55 English Threaded 118mm

Pedals MKS Sylvan Prime Touring

Front wheel Velocity Atlas, LX hub, DT Swiss Competition spokes
Rear wheel Mavic A319 (scavenged from Cheviot)
Tires 32-42mm Schwalbe (Marathon or Little Big Ben) or Continental Touring
scavenged from Grant's bike
Tubes Patched tubes
Handlebar Velo Orange Randoneur

46cm
Stem Origin8 Quill 180 x 80 x 26.0mm
Handlebar Tape Gel cork tape hanging in garage
Headset 1” IRD / Tange
Shifters Suntour downtube 7 speed
Front derailleur Suntour Cyclone
Rear derailleur Shimano Deore M591 (long cage)
Cassette Shimano HG400 11-36
Shift Housing Gray
Brake Levers TRP RRL black
Brakes Shimano BR-R550
Saddle Selle Anatomica H2 carved
Seatpost Ritchey 250 x 27.2mm
Of course, this also resulted in buying a new VO 46/30 double crankset and
tubeless wheelset for my Sam ... more than the budget for the budget build
itself! But those were long planned but delayed upgrades ... now affordable
because I won an office wide weight loss competition thanks in part to
biking so much!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Patrick Moore

I have tried to refrain from commenting, but if others are going to
insist on it, I will add my 2c worth.

"Liberal" and "conservative" are labels that have very little
grounding in reality and mean little more than "I like this" or I
dislike that." "Right" and "left" even more confused; what side of the
Chambre des Deputies did Marx or does Trump or Pelosi sit on?

That being the case, I accept that most ideologies are simply confused
mish-mashes, and don't pay them very much attention; as for real
values and doctrine, I try to keep my own mind clear and conform my
own life to what the evidence points to. I don't do this well, but
it's what I aim at.

That being a long windup: I don't epect Grant's political or social
views to be any more coherent than anyone else's, and I evaluate his
qualities through his actions; certainly, making valuable objects well
by paying skilled labor a decent wage is worth supporting; and in
fact, it's as conservative an action, in any coherent meaning of
conservative, as anything else. It's also truly liberal, in a coherent
meaning of that term.

And Amazon being "conservative" in any coherent sense of the term?
That's got to be one of the most blatantly confused juxtapositions
I've seen in a long time!

I will keep my own views to myself except to say that I belong to the
Orthodox church (which has a perfectly coherent doctrine and value
system which it shares with Hinduism and the Navajo and so forth) and,
though I despise all political candidates -- that is to say, I wish
them well, but I despise their ideas -- I find Bernie Sanders the
least incongenial; his policies would hasten the destruction of the
country even faster than without them, but at least he believes in
something reasonably coherent that is more than himself.

And I think Jimmy Carter was as confused as anyone else, but he
appears to be a more decent man than many other public figures I can
think of.

To get back to politics, gawd help us: H. L. Mencken said, "Every
decent man is ashamed of the government he has to live under."

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:09 AM Brian Campbell  wrote:
>
> I just wonder how someone who identifies themselves as conservative could 
> purchase something from Riv and not see a conflict? Grant and crew have 
> always put forth ideas and been involved in actions that are decidedly 
> liberal, IMHO. How do you square the business model of a company that is in 
> many ways the opposite of a prescribed belief system? Same for the liberal 
> folks who buy from Amazon?
>
>
>
> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:48:54 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> "But thanks for playing, everybody" was a statement to everybody who brought 
>> politics into it. That's what "everybody" means. I also said in a following 
>> comment just forget it and I will probably delete the original post, and I 
>> felt like the conversation had already drifted past this little kerfuffle. I 
>> don't this it as necessary to go back and reference every comment and 
>> "progressivism" and all that crap.
>>
>> The reality is I was excited about the TV lady being a Riv Rider and posted 
>> here what Will posted on the email. In retrospect it was a bad idea.
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[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Correction: Simple, not necessarily easy. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 10:31:09 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Easy. Differences in anthropology. Who am I? (and thus who are we?) Why am 
> I here? (and thus why are we here?) What does it all mean? (and this all 
> there is, or is there "something" beyond? Is there a truth higher than my 
> personal opinions/experiences/desires? Is there a God? If so, who is God? 
> What is God like? Is there a heaven and a hell? What determines what 
> happens to me after I die? What are my rights and responsibilities while I 
> live? and so on...).
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 10:09:26 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> I just wonder how someone who identifies themselves as conservative could 
>> purchase something from Riv and not see a conflict? Grant and crew have 
>> always put forth ideas and been involved in actions that are decidedly 
>> liberal, IMHO. How do you square the business model of a company that is in 
>> many ways the opposite of a prescribed belief system? Same for the liberal 
>> folks who buy from Amazon?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:48:54 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> "But thanks for playing, everybody" was a statement to everybody who 
>>> brought politics into it. That's what "everybody" means. I also said in a 
>>> following comment just forget it and I will probably delete the original 
>>> post, and I felt like the conversation had already drifted past this little 
>>> kerfuffle. I don't this it as necessary to go back and reference every 
>>> comment and "progressivism" and all that crap. 
>>>
>>> The reality is I was excited about the TV lady being a Riv Rider and 
>>> posted here what Will posted on the email. In retrospect it was a bad idea. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Easy. Differences in anthropology. Who am I? (and thus who are we?) Why am 
I here? (and thus why are we here?) What does it all mean? (and this all 
there is, or is there "something" beyond? Is there a truth higher than my 
personal opinions/experiences/desires? Is there a God? If so, who is God? 
What is God like? Is there a heaven and a hell? What determines what 
happens to me after I die? What are my rights and responsibilities while I 
live? and so on...).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 10:09:26 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I just wonder how someone who identifies themselves as conservative could 
> purchase something from Riv and not see a conflict? Grant and crew have 
> always put forth ideas and been involved in actions that are decidedly 
> liberal, IMHO. How do you square the business model of a company that is in 
> many ways the opposite of a prescribed belief system? Same for the liberal 
> folks who buy from Amazon?
>
>
>
> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:48:54 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> "But thanks for playing, everybody" was a statement to everybody who 
>> brought politics into it. That's what "everybody" means. I also said in a 
>> following comment just forget it and I will probably delete the original 
>> post, and I felt like the conversation had already drifted past this little 
>> kerfuffle. I don't this it as necessary to go back and reference every 
>> comment and "progressivism" and all that crap. 
>>
>> The reality is I was excited about the TV lady being a Riv Rider and 
>> posted here what Will posted on the email. In retrospect it was a bad idea. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Brian Campbell

I just wonder how someone who identifies themselves as conservative could 
purchase something from Riv and not see a conflict? Grant and crew have 
always put forth ideas and been involved in actions that are decidedly 
liberal, IMHO. How do you square the business model of a company that is in 
many ways the opposite of a prescribed belief system? Same for the liberal 
folks who buy from Amazon?



On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:48:54 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> "But thanks for playing, everybody" was a statement to everybody who 
> brought politics into it. That's what "everybody" means. I also said in a 
> following comment just forget it and I will probably delete the original 
> post, and I felt like the conversation had already drifted past this little 
> kerfuffle. I don't this it as necessary to go back and reference every 
> comment and "progressivism" and all that crap. 
>
> The reality is I was excited about the TV lady being a Riv Rider and 
> posted here what Will posted on the email. In retrospect it was a bad idea. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver2 shifters have arrived!

2019-12-07 Thread J L

Dynasys / 11s / etc

My experience tells me these levers will not pair well with a Dynasys or 11s
RD. In fact, I think the Silver 1 shifters probably offer better adjustability
when used as downtube shifters. I use those older style silvers to friction
shift a 10s rear cluster on one bike and the levels require a comically light
touch to shift. They shift great but I feel like I’m stirring a my tea with a
tiny spoon. (This is a fun thing and makes me smile every time. Remember bike
riding was fun?!)

Fear not - months back on the riv blog they posted a bike hike to effectively
increase the diameter of the level pully. They describe clamping a small
plastic tube on the cable just where it exits the lever. Try this with the
Silver2 shifter! The bike hack is a thing that anyone can do with hand tools.

Side note - those mismatched levers that VO sells are also jarring to me. I
like a mix of symmetry and wabi sabi on my bikes but that one big level one
small lever looks off. Someone could pay a machinist to build a matching left
hand / front lever and end up with a visually matching set. Couldn’t they?

Jason
SF,CA

[RBW] Silver2 shifters on downtube?

2019-12-07 Thread RichS

Will at Riv recently said the original Silvers would be the better choice for 
dt shifters.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

2019-12-07 Thread R Shannon

Wyatt,

Thanks for that description. I have also contemplated doing the trail.
Fall would also be my choice for best time to do the ride.

How long did your trip take and what did you do for accommodations?

Thank you!

Best,
Rich in ATL


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:13 AM, Wyatt  wrote:
> 
> 
> Tim: I enjoyed it, especially the stretch from Nashville down to about 
> Tishomingo State Park in Mississippi. That's the hilliest section of riding 
> and just about every 15 or 20 miles there is another clear creek or waterfall 
> to cool off in. Lots of trees, great hammock camping, worth taking it slow. 
> Don't miss the old CCC swinging bridge hidden at the back of Tishomingo State 
> Park, especially because it leads to the last good creek on the route. Around 
> Tupelo, you hit the mosquito line and the bugs start coming out in thick 
> black clouds ready to eat you alive. Be prepared. Definitely take the bike 
> path detour off the Trace that passes through Jackson, not only does it get 
> you out of bad traffic, but it's also just a nice ride. The last 125 miles or 
> so are hot and mostly flat and good for a fast finish if you have it in you. 
> (I was ready for it to be over.) I'd do it again, but probably in the late 
> fall. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:54:02 AM UTC+8, Timothy Hurley wrote:
>> Wyatt, 
>>What touring on the Trace like? I’ve been thinking about that trip for 
>> ages. 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>>  T.J.
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[RBW] Re: Alternative to Halfmitts?

2019-12-07 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

I use boiled wool glomitts. 
https://www.sweaterchalet.com/dachstein-woolwear/dw-3115-adult-mitts/#cc-m-product-11727274031

It's a different system entirely, but most, if not all, your riding would 
be covered by one pair, with the balance covered with a pair of chopper 
mitts over them for the colder days. Boiled wool; breathes beautifully, but 
also greatly dampens wind. Allows for finger dexterity and warmth while 
instantly having a mitten as needed. At around 20˚F, I add chopper mitts 
(cheap leather ones work well for starters, I use these: 
https://empirecanvasworks.com/product/true-north-mittens/) and am good to 
about zero, then I add a second pair of wool liners (that came with the 
chopper mitts) and am good to -20˚F.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 8:58:47 AM UTC-7, Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
> I never had a pair of halfmitts 
> 
>  
> but I'm looking for something similar to wear over my medium wool gloves, 
> mostly for wind protection (nothing lined). These 
>  
> REI minimalist mitten shells look decent enough. Anyone else have 
> recommendation or, better yet, an old pair of halfmitts they're willing to 
> part with?
>
>

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[RBW] Alternative to Halfmitts?

2019-12-07 Thread Justin Kennedy

I never had a pair of halfmitts 

 
but I'm looking for something similar to wear over my medium wool gloves, 
mostly for wind protection (nothing lined). These 
 REI 
minimalist mitten shells look decent enough. Anyone else have 
recommendation or, better yet, an old pair of halfmitts they're willing to 
part with?

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[RBW] President and Mrs. Carter's Rivendells

2019-12-07 Thread David Carner

I am placing this in a new thread so as not to perpetuate the one that
predictably devolved into internecine squabbling. My observations are based
on the recollection that this story of stolen bicycles caused a similar
kerfuffle on the forum that preceded this one.
I am fairly sure that Mark Roland was correct when he postulated that the
Rivendells were kept at the Carter residence in Plains and the story of
replaced and stolen bicycles at the Carter Center in Atlanta was unrelated.
Unfortunately the linked article from January, 2009, included a photo of
President Carter on his Riv. That photo has been separately identified as
being taken in Plains. In addition, a google search brings up a short
youtube video of President Carter arriving in downtown Plains on his Riv.
Based on his health issues, I doubt that President Carter has ridden any
bicycle in some time. I have no idea where his Rivendells are now, but
based on his track record I would guess that they have been passed on in a
responsible and meaningful way.
I had hoped someone with more first hand knowledge and/or research skills
would set the record straight, but since that has not happened I decided to
share my observations. If they are inaccurate, I will be happy to be
corrected.

David

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[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

2019-12-07 Thread Garth



Hah hah . there's neither politics in Intelligence or Intelligence in 
politics. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Small Sackville saddlesack in grey & RBW roadini frameset special**

2019-12-07 Thread Andrew Turner

The bag has sold! 

On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 4:15:38 PM UTC-6, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> Just purchased a larger saddlebag from Dill Pickle so I'm gonna pass this 
> one along:) Size small. Pics here 
> 
>  
> Also as a reminder, I'm selling a 61cm Roadini frameset + extras. Here's 
> the link 
> 
>  
> to it. I'll knock off $100 for anyone in this group (given that they live 
> within the 48 states). Free shipping. 
>
> Thanks y'all! 
>
> Andrew
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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

2019-12-07 Thread brendonoid

Wow yeah this thread has got me scratching my head. Have the VPs on all my 
Rivs (the Homer since 2013?) and have never even had to look at them twice. 
The Homer is my commuter and has 20k kms at least on it.
I'm going to go check my pedals now...

On Saturday, 7 December 2019 11:33:12 UTC+8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Huh. I’ve got multiple pairs of VP pedals and never had an issue. 
> I’ll check them. Maybe a strange intermittent “tick” on the Frances is the 
> pedal. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

2019-12-07 Thread Wyatt

Tim: I enjoyed it, especially the stretch from Nashville down to about 
Tishomingo State Park in Mississippi. That's the hilliest section of riding 
and just about every 15 or 20 miles there is another clear creek or 
waterfall to cool off in. Lots of trees, great hammock camping, worth 
taking it slow. Don't miss the old CCC swinging bridge hidden at the back 
of Tishomingo State Park, especially because it leads to the last good 
creek on the route. Around Tupelo, you hit the mosquito line and the bugs 
start coming out in thick black clouds ready to eat you alive. Be prepared. 
Definitely take the bike path detour off the Trace that passes through 
Jackson, not only does it get you out of bad traffic, but it's also just a 
nice ride. The last 125 miles or so are hot and mostly flat and good for a 
fast finish if you have it in you. (I was ready for it to be over.) I'd do 
it again, but probably in the late fall. 

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:54:02 AM UTC+8, Timothy Hurley wrote:
>
> Wyatt, 
>What touring on the Trace like? I’ve been thinking about that trip for 
> ages. 
>
> Thanks, 
>  T.J.

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[RBW] Silver2 shifters on downtube?

2019-12-07 Thread Wyatt

Thought that might be the case. Thanks for confirming.

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[RBW] Re: QB 62 FOR SALE

2019-12-07 Thread maxcr

Im 5’11” with 90.5 pbh and my 62 simpleone with albatross bars and a 81cm 
saddle height is one of my favorite bikes in terms of fit
Max

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