[RBW] Re: Color survey! Would love some feedback, getting powder for a Surly Travelers Check

[Garth]

My totally biased opining of the 4 choices is number 4, all lilac. Second 
choice would be an "other", all yellow. The split colors look like you took 
cut 2 frames and morphed them together, just odd. 

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Re: [RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

[Eric Platt]

Sorry,

It was a quote from multiple James Bond movies. By an actor who played a
character named "Q".

Knew I shouldn't have said anything.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 3:46 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Not being a follower of Q, I wouldn’t know … Or is that what I would say
> if I WAS a follower of Q?
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>
> On Aug 10, 2020, at 11:49 AM, EricP  wrote:
>
> Isn't the correct response "Pay attention 007?"
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 10:59:21 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 8/10/20 11:37 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>> I was riding my Quickbeam yesterday, and it dawned on me that the seat
>> tube decal might lead some to an incorrect conclusion:
>>
>>
>> So, just to be clear: I am NOT a follower of “Q” or “Q Anon” or any of
>> those related conspiracy theories.
>>
>> Thanks. Just had to get that off my chest.
>>
>>
>> Isn't that exactly what you would say if you were "Q" himself?
>>
>>
>> Steve Palincsar
>> Alexandria, Virginia
>> USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering one 'nice' bike...

[masmojo]

I fully understand the desire to consolidate, but there's a reason you have a 
Redwood & a Clem in the first place & that reason is still valid. If you have 
the space & you don't need the money then I would stand pat & possibly tweak 
both bikes to further distinguish them from each other.
Seems pretty pointless to swap the Redwood for anything else if it can take 
47mm tires, especially since the Clem can go far past that.
The Redwood seems like a good versatile bike good for most things while the 
Clem can be more offroad specific, with fatter tires. Between the two you've 
got just about everything covered. Especially if you find a road bike not 
really needed.

Another option is one bike with two sets of wheels. I have a Crust Bombora; one 
of the first things I realized about it was that: with smooth tires it excels 
at being a decent road bike and with chunkier knobbies it's great offroad. As a 
result I've got two sets of wheels for that bike! Another advantage of two 
wheel sets is being able to just change wheels if you have inflation issues 
(flats) 🤣

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Re: [RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

[David Hallerman]

And some of us keep thinking about Q in Star Trek Next Generation.

A far more entertaining Q than the Bond version.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 7:19 AM Eric Platt  wrote:

> Sorry,
>
> It was a quote from multiple James Bond movies. By an actor who played a
> character named "Q".
>
> Knew I shouldn't have said anything.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 3:46 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Not being a follower of Q, I wouldn’t know … Or is that what I would say
>> if I WAS a follower of Q?
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyonly...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 11:49 AM, EricP  wrote:
>>
>> Isn't the correct response "Pay attention 007?"
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>> On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 10:59:21 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/10/20 11:37 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>
>>> I was riding my Quickbeam yesterday, and it dawned on me that the seat
>>> tube decal might lead some to an incorrect conclusion:
>>>
>>>
>>> So, just to be clear: I am NOT a follower of “Q” or “Q Anon” or any of
>>> those related conspiracy theories.
>>>
>>> Thanks. Just had to get that off my chest.
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't that exactly what you would say if you were "Q" himself?
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Palincsar
>>> Alexandria, Virginia
>>> USA
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[masmojo]

I noticed recently that SOMA only has one 56cm wide Albatross listed & it's for 
31.8 clamps!?


H . . . . ?

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[RBW] Re: Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

[Garth]

Everyone is " Q " . the joke is on the joke itself. 

What's going to happen  what happen-ed ... what's happen-ing . and 
just who happens to ask and answer all these quests anyways ?

Ahahahahaha !'Tis I, the Q the Q of Me and I and You the 
question , the answer and the wild woven web of endless Q-and-on's   
you know ..

"The Story" ! 

What story ?  

Exactly . the one that keeps asking "what story"  ! 

Heeheehee  !

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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE : SOMA BUENA VISTA

['Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch]

NEW PRICE $800 LOCAL PICKUP - WILL MEET 1/2 WAY IF NOT NEAR ME - 
JENNERSVILLE PA

On Sunday, August 9, 2020 at 7:56:27 AM UTC-4, Charlie wrote:
>
> SOMA -  BUENA VISTA MIXTE size 54 cm = MEDIUM SIZE
>
> FRAME : PEARL WHITE - TANGE PRESTIGE HEAT TREATED CHROMOLLY STEEL BUTTED 
> NOT LIKE THE PRODUCTION FRAMES BUILT OF ALUMINUM 
> Sport touring geometry - HEADSET : ORIGIN 8
>
> SHIFTERS : FRONT: SHIMANO DURA ACE - REAR: SHIMANO ULTEGRA with long cage 
> - 
> SHIMANO ULTEGRA BARE END
>
> HANDLEBARS: NITTO NORTH ROAD #B352
>
> BRAKES : SHIMANO DUAL PIVOT LONG REACH - ULTEGRA CLASS 
> LEVERS : CANE CREEK FLAT TOP with 2 position 
>
> CRANK : SHIMANO DEORE 44-29 CHAIN RINGS
>
> PEDALS : MKS SYLVAN TOURING with adjustable bearings = REBUILDABLE
>
> WHEELS : SHIMANO : 105 HUBS - STAINLESS STEEL SPOKES - RIMS BONTRAGER - 
> TIRES : CONTINENTAL GATOR SKIN 700c x 25
>
> CONDITION IS NEW BUILD - NO EXPENSE SPARED - ONLY BUILT WITH QUALITY PARTS
>
>   $950 CASH  SHIPPED TO LOWER 48 STATES
>
> [image: DSCF1777.JPG]
>
> [image: DSCF1776.JPG]
> CONTACT OFF LIST : charliepedal (at) verizon  (dot)  net  
>
> Charlie Petry
> JENNERSVILLE PENNSLYVANIA 
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[RBW] Re: Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[Joel]

This is their version, I do not believe it is a Nitto.  
https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/oxford-bar

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 7:34:28 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> I noticed recently that SOMA only has one 56cm wide Albatross listed & 
> it's for 31.8 clamps!?
>
>
> H . . . . ?
>

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[RBW] Re: Chauncey Matthews Riv-cloned Road Bike for Road, take 2

[Dave Johnston]

Did you try riding it as it was with the 41mm Pasela?

-Dave

On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 5:28:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Chauncey picked up the new bike this (actually, yesterday) morning to 
> re-do the fork and reinforce the rear rack. A 41 mm Pasela has ample room 
> under the 45 mm fender in the rear, but while it fits under the fender in 
> front, there is only about 5 mm of clearance, so he will lengthen the fork 
> legs to gain an additional 10 mm, and swap out the fork-crown fender mount 
> with projecting boss with another that puts the threaded boss inside the 
> steerer, so that the fender can be butted up tight against the underside of 
> the crown. That should gain at least 3 mm. He said he can add more rake to 
> the fork to preserve the wonderful (Riv-like, in fact, since it's Riv 
> clone) handling.
>
> Grant would not have built me a custom with the features I wanted -- 42s 
> with fenders, narrow Q, and 118 mm OL rear spacing, with braze-ones for 
> Sturmey Archer trigger shifter, extra-long but thin plate dropouts 
> (Chauncey cut his own), and internal light wire routing, with custom f and 
> r racks. So I consider this a non-Riv tribute to Riv.
>
> Once I get the bike back, I'll look into buying some RH Naches Pass tires.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering one 'nice' bike...

[Mark Roland]

This is what I suggested he do for the Clem, which is similar to the 
Bombora in terms of range-- a wheelset with some skinny 48mm Switchbacks 
for the pack training ride, then pop on the set with 2.6" knobbies for 
hitting the woods. Best to have rims with same width and brakes set up to 
open wide, but then good to go. If, as the subject line says, you truly 
want/need to get to one bike for the time being. Personally, for most on 
this list, I think that is an aspirational fantasy for some of us, but not 
likely to happen all that often. Everyone with only one bicycle please 
raise your hand

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 7:23:51 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
>
> Another option is one bike with two sets of wheels. I have a Crust 
> Bombora; one of the first things I realized about it was that: with smooth 
> tires it excels at being a decent road bike and with chunkier knobbies it's 
> great offroad. As a result I've got two sets of wheels for that bike! 
> Another advantage of two wheel sets is being able to just change wheels if 
> you have inflation issues (flats) 🤣 
>
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[RBW] Re: Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

[Mark Roland]

I knew Garth would be the one to parse this in terms we could all easily 
understand. Thank you, man.

But seriously, I don't even know what this Q thing is. Although I admit I 
only hang out in a small corner of the Internet, which mostly provides 
little to no "news." I guess I could google it... but nah. I'll keep my 
innocence a bit longer.

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 7:39:00 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>
>
> Everyone is " Q " . the joke is on the joke itself. 
>
> What's going to happen  what happen-ed ... what's happen-ing . and 
> just who happens to ask and answer all these quests anyways ?
>
> Ahahahahaha !'Tis I, the Q the Q of Me and I and You the 
> question , the answer and the wild woven web of endless Q-and-on's   
> you know ..
>
> "The Story" ! 
>
> What story ?  
>
> Exactly . the one that keeps asking "what story"  ! 
>
> Heeheehee  !
>

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[RBW] FS: Bags

[Bryan Quinn]

I’ll take the $40 treetop bag if still available. 

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Re: [RBW] Bike frame suggestions for longish distance 95% road comfort

[Dave Johnston]

How much lighter is a Roadeo? My 56cm Ram was Frame=4.8lb, fork = 1.7lb on 
my fishing scale.

-Dave J

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 3:33:47 PM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>
> John,
>
> The Roadeo frame is much lighter than the Ram's. Definitely not equivalent.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 2:28:05 PM UTC-4, Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>>
>> Not being familiar with the Rambouillet, I went searching for info.  One 
>> reviewer thought the Rambo was the early equivalent of today’s Roadeo.  Do 
>> you think this is the case?
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 5:16 AM Surlyprof  wrote:
>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/pb0nSlJHVn0
>>>
>>> Would you fit a 60 Rambouillet?  John’s looks like a great deal.
>>>
>>> John
>>> Niles, CA
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Re: [RBW] FS: Bags

[Conway Bennett]

It's all yours.  PayPal friends and family to this email is my preferred
method of payment.  Please include your address and I'll get it packed
shipped this week.  Thanks.


Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett
239.877.4119

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Re: [RBW] FS: Bags

[Brendan Willard]

I’ll take the Jammer!

>> Thanks,
>> -Brendan Willard
>> Owner/Winemaker
>> Phantômé Cellars
phantomecellars.com 

Speaking in Thumbs 👍

> On Aug 11, 2020, at 7:13 AM, Conway Bennett  
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> It's all yours.  PayPal friends and family to this email is my preferred 
> method of payment.  Please include your address and I'll get it packed 
> shipped this week.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Fair winds,
> 
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119
> 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Pancake]

Riding my Sam Hillborne around Lake Tahoe tomorrow, Legolas in my size  bit 
it appears to be sold or unavailable. Anyone know more? I’m in South Lake for a 
few days stills
Abe 

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Re: [RBW] FS: Bags

[Conway Bennett]

Brendan,

It's all yours!  PayPal friends and family to this email is my preferred
method of payment.  Please include your address and I'll get it packed
shipped this week.  Thanks!

P.S. These are the best designed bags on the market.  I'm only selling it
because I went to a one rackless bag lifestyle so now I have a jumbo jammer
which fits my now suburban needs.


Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett
239.877.4119

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 9:30 AM Brendan Willard  wrote:

> I’ll take the Jammer!
>
> Thanks,
> -Brendan Willard
> Owner/Winemaker
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> On Aug 11, 2020, at 7:13 AM, Conway Bennett <
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>
> Fair winds,
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> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 9:01 AM Bryan Quinn  wrote:
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>> I’ll take the $40 treetop bag if still available.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Nikko Mendoza]

That sold SO quickly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2020, at 1:09 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Indeed it is, somebody is in a mood to unload it quick. If you're anywhere 
> near Tahoe, go now!
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[RBW] Re: Color survey! Would love some feedback, getting powder for a Surly Travelers Check

[Addison Quarles]

The turquoise/yellow reminds me of the Pantani Bianchi. 
What a tough selection! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

[Dan Vee]

This is good Information.  Thanks.  I will be getting a custom 650b fixed gear 
soon and have been contemplating fenders... but between the rear wheel flipping 
for gear Changes and the general style of riding I do, I feel like the 
simplicity of the bike kinda gets lost somewhere.  I think I’ll just get wet. 
:-).  Thanks for posting your experience update.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Earl Craig's Atlantis on the Blug

[Earl Craig]

It's been interesting reading through these comments.  This last bit here, 
regarding the "lift tube," caught my attention.  I LOVE this lift-tube 
function.  When carrying the bike up some stairs, or lifting it over an 
obstacle in road or trail, it great.  Keeps my pump out of harm's way, and 
easier on the shoulder.  And I bet this rainbow tube weighs less than 8 
ounces.  Maybe Grant could answer this question.  




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Re: [RBW] Re: Weird handlebar idea

[Addison Quarles]

Jim M.: 
IIRC The horns of the Crazy Bar have a 23.8mm OD and a ~20mm ID to 
accommodate common bar end/TT brake levers, so running road levers would 
work if one wanted to save the bar end real estate for something else. A 
duo of mirrors? Bar end shifters? a couple knocks to make a slingshot?   

On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 1:44:17 PM UTC-7 Jim M. wrote:

> On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 8:53:11 AM UTC-7, Zack Medow wrote:
>>
>> So I maybe didn't describe this well enough. Just imagine a mustache bar 
>> but with the brake hoods in the standard position for a drop bar. So it's 
>> like a normal dop bar, but all parts of the bar are on the same plane. The 
>> idea is to have a normal hoods position, plus a swoop back part of the bar 
>> that's on the same level with the drops. 
>>
>>>
>>> I've been intrigued by Velo Orange's Crazy Bar, though I don't know if 
> you can put drop levers on those horns: 
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/handlebars/products/crazy-bars-1 
>
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>
> 
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[RBW] WTB 58 Quickbeam

[Tyler L]

Caught that one. Talked to the owner a smidge and e didn’t seem too receptive 
on shipping. It also has looks a bit small so I’m thinking it was a ~56

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bags

[jstewse]

Conway, I can't message privately, but I'm interested in the small 
sackville bag.  Please contact me offlist, Thanks!

On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 10:09:14 PM UTC-4 Conway Bennett wrote:

> Large Sackville saddlesack in olive in very good used condition. The only 
> noticable wear is some road grime where it sat on the rack sans fenders. 
> $175
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/j53FNLQaJuYW5RqF8
>
> Road Runner Bags Jammer in rust in very good used condition. Minor fading 
> and small stains you'd have to look for but commensurate with use which was 
> slot but this has worn VERY well. $100
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WfTxMFsBpAWU1u898
>
> Small Sackville saddlesack in tan that has been ridden hard and put away 
> wet. There is a thumbsize hole wear the brakes wore through the bag and 
> small threadbare spot where the bag made contact with the rear tire. I will 
> include waxed canvas I got from swift industries if you want to patch it. 
> $85 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/BgxeDzLT3TuSGrX87
>
> Treetop Designs saddlebag in grey waxed canvas. This bag has also seen 
> heavy use so it has stains and discoloration commensurate with use. It is 
> deceptively big, I put two soccer balls in it for scale. $40
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/QCaHD2X3Az6S3RiLA
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> All prices are net to me and I will cover up to $10 of USPS shipping CONUS.
>
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: [RBW] Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[Kevin L]

I too would love a wider Albatross. I was really bummed to see that the 61 
cm Loscos that Will uses didn't pass Nitto's testing. I'd really be into a 
60s width, 25.4 clamp sweeper that would take bar end shifters. Best I can 
find is the Surly Open Bar.

On Sunday, August 9, 2020 at 2:21:46 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>
> I have to agree about the width of the Albatross bars, a little wider 
> would be nice, but if you put it into the context of when they actually 
> came out, at that time they were considered quite wide. Handlebars across 
> ALL disciplines have gotten MUCH wider. The Billie bar is a little wider 
> technically,  but because it flairs out a little more the additional width 
> is only at the extreme of the ends of the bar which is deceiving,  because 
> you may not ride back far enough to utilize that additional width. 
>
> My favorite bars; in no particular order: 
> Albastash 
> Albatross (steel) 
> Salsa Cowbell 
> Surly Sunrise 
> FSA Metropolis 
>
> Honorable mention: the new Tumbleweed persuader. It could possibly be my 
> all time favorite  if it weren't so blasted heavy! 
> Also at 800mm wide it's hard to figure why anyone outside of Wilt 
> Chamberlain would find it comfortable. I cut mine down quite a bit, but 
> still nearly ate it the other day when I caught the end of the bar on 
> something. 
>
> Sorry I skated so far off topic there! 🙄 
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[RBW] Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Jeffrey Sincich]

Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to a 
Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the improvements? 
Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm Corss-Check. I mainly 
commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the future. Thanks in 
advance!

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[EverRed]

Nice Wabi!

Is that a Thunder, and is the color "Desert Turquoise"?

Does it ride like a Riv?

I'm thinking of getting one when they are available again.

John
Western NC

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 6:30:27 PM UTC-4, Bones wrote:
>
> Let's try that again...
>
> [image: DSC00233.JPG]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on my aspiring Riv-style build?

[Ray]

Thanks for the sound advise, everyone. You've given me a lot to think 
about. I'm sure I will make some upgrades to the XO-2, but I will keep 
things reasonable and not make any additions that couldn't be easily 
migrated to a future Atlantis should that day ever come. Who knows, maybe a 
used one in my size with pop-up for a good price...

-Ray

On Sunday, August 9, 2020 at 12:18:35 PM UTC-5 S wrote:

> I agree. If you plan to ride the bike through "salt and snow" and lock it 
> up outside public buildings, then it makes sense to use a less expensive 
> frame. 
>
> As for the XO-2 versus Expedition, I prefer the looks of the the 
> Expedition, but, again, for "salt and snow," the XO-2 may be the better 
> choice, as it can take wider tires. The tight clearance on the Expedition 
> could be frustrating. And the XO-2 still looks nice, eg,
>
> https://www.cycleexif.com/bridgestone-xo-2
>
> Grant Petersen designed the XO-2 for his own mixed surface commute, so in 
> a way, it's really a commuter bike, which is what you are after. 
>
> On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 8:53:46 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
>> I think having a comfortable "beater grade" bike that you don't have to 
>> worry about is an excellent idea. You just have to resist the temptation to 
>> swap parts and upgrade! I've never been able to. ;)
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weird handlebar idea

[Zack Medow]

Philip,

You’ve got it!! This is exactly what I’m looking for. I’m going to try it with 
my next mustache bar (I don’t currently have one). 

This is awesome, I didn’t think it’d be possible. Anything special to note with 
how you did the conversion?

Cheers,

Zack

> On Aug 9, 2020, at 11:38 PM, Philip Williamson  
> wrote:
> 
> It sounds like you want to rotate the lever mounts 90 degrees on a mustache 
> bar. I’ve never seen this done, but it seems feasible. You might want to 
> adjust the mating surface of the lever with a half-round file. 
> 
> Disclaimer: I didn’t even visit the bike shed to look at the pieces. 
> UPDATE (DIS-disclaimer): I put the chickens away and put upright levers on a 
> moustache bar. Easy. I don’t see an advantage over a normal moustache setup, 
> but it’s possible.
> 
> “Pictures or it didn’t happen” as Manny used to say:
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CDsZVYll1UB
> 
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA 
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[RBW] Color survey! Would love some feedback, getting powder for a Surly Travelers Check

[R Olson]

#1 Definately

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Re: [RBW] Re: Color survey! Would love some feedback, getting powder for a Surly Travelers Check

[Tim Wilson]

I'm in agreement with that. I'd say any of the colors as a solid would be 
better than any of the splits. I have a coupled All Rounder and like how the 
couplers' design evokes a continuity of the frame tubing 'underneath', almost 
like a piece of jewelry wrapped there. I think splitting the paint wrecks that 
illusion.



> On Aug 11, 2020, at 4:53 AM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> My totally biased opining of the 4 choices is number 4, all lilac. Second 
> choice would be an "other", all yellow. The split colors look like you took 
> cut 2 frames and morphed them together, just odd. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Clem Smith Jr. 59cm

[Josh Chambers]

Got one!  Thanks

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Re: [RBW] SS Coupler Military Bike stupid idea?

[Yuhan Wu]

 Thanks Michael! 84 trek 620 is the first vintage steel touring bike I ever
owned! It rides great but I didn't like the vintage components. Sold it
years ago. Still miss the beautiful pewter color under sunlight. I don't
know what kind the paint they used back then. The quality feels better than
many modern bikes including Riv in my opinion. Maybe because it's thicker?
The paint on my hunqapillar gets chips pretty easily.

I couldn't find any bikes with a coupler in the middle of TT on the
internet. So I was skeptical. I want to learn people's experience before
going to a builder. Thanks for the input! I think the disconnects shouldn't
be too hard to fix by swapping out cables. But the disconnect would be too
far away from the cable housing stop which is not ideal?

Michael Hechmer  于2020年8月9日周日 下午12:14写道：

> I have two SS coupled bikes, a bilenkey tandem and an old (1984) Trek
> 620.  I don't think it makes any difference  in the ride, but it can make a
> difference in the packing.  I would suggest you use a bike builder with
> experience and just his/her judgement about the latter.  Having two
> somewhat equal sections makes it easer to stow, both in a case and in a
> car.  I have had more hassle with the cable disconnects, poorly positioned,
> when trying to clamp a TT in a repair stand.
>
> Tandem's require a great deal more thought and experience.  I've got that
> one dialed in.
> Michael
>
> On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 11:53:13 AM UTC-4 Yuhan Wu wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the suggestion! I'll probably go for the Bilenky. The 29er
>> hunqapiller is definitely the most fun and comfortable bike I ever have!
>>
>> Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  于2020年8月6日周四 上午11:53写道：
>>
>>> I've only opinion to share, but I think it doesn't matter where you
>>> split the frame, as the S&S couplers, when properly tightened, will add
>>> some rigidity if anything. But that's only based off of what I've seen, not
>>> experienced. Experienced coupler pros like Bilenky in Philadelphia would be
>>> your best bet at an accurate assessment.
>>> Enjoy that bike, wherever you decide to cut it in half!
>>> -Kai
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[RBW] Re: FS 62 cm Custom Riv f/f by Joe Starck - ’98

[ctbiker]

3 new pix on 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/fosses/albums/72157714856151207/with/50044245932/

Thanks,

Ray Foss
Lisbon, CT
U.S.A.

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[RBW] Re: Pondering one 'nice' bike...

[Andy Beichler]

Thanks a bunch.  I'll give it some more thought.  

On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 9:47:33 PM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>
> 78mm drop on the Redwood. Works fine with 47mm tires. Likely fine with 
> 42mm and 170mm cranks. I wouldn't go with smaller tires than that though.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[Ray]

Really cool. Love that it has the couplers on there too. Looks like a fun 
ride.

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 9:49:07 AM UTC-5 Tim Wilson wrote:

> I'm new to the bunch, but a Rivendell owner since the beginning. Thought 
> some of you might be interested in seeing my admittedly 
> no-longer-very-riv-ish '94 All Rounder.
>
> Here's the story: In 1993 I bought a Bridgestone XO-1 frame, the orange 
> one, and spent the next year fiddling with configurations: various tire 
> styles, bar shapes, shifter positions, gearing strategies, all generally in 
> pursuit of the style of riding expressed in this famous image of Pineapple 
> Bob from the catalog that year: nimble, athletic, rebellious; off the 
> beaten path, old-school vibe.
>
> [image: Image.jpg]
>
> By '94, I'd figured out what setup I liked, but also that the frame I had 
> wasn't the right size for me. Too late, though, as Bridgestone was now out 
> of business in the US. Thankfully, Grant was on to his next thing, and 
> offering the All-Rounder, which seemed intended to keep the XO thing going, 
> at the time. I ordered one, drove up from Chicago to collect it at the 
> Waterford facility, and have had it ever since.
>
> Here it is today. Not so Rivendell-like by current standards, but tons of 
> fun to ride when I'm in the mustache-bar mood. Those are heretical 
> brake-lever shifters on there. Chorus 11-spd Ergo driving a Shimano 9-spd 
> mech. "Shimergo" I've heard it called. A perfect indexing match. Unusually, 
> I do like 'stache bars (for rides shorter than a couple hours) but have 
> never warmed to bar-end shifters. The Ergo levers work quite nicely on 
> mustache bars.
>
> [image: IMG_1764.jpeg]
>
> I'm too old now to have as many bikes as I have, and this one may not make 
> the cut. Don't know yet. What does the bunch think? I hope showing a bike 
> with the stem lower than the seat doesn't get me in trouble here.
>
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Bags

[Brendan Willard]

I have the matching Buoy Bags and seat bag, so this completes the family!

>> Thanks,
>> -Brendan Willard 
>> Owner/Winemaker
>> Phantômé Cellars
phantomecellars.com 

Speaking in Thumbs 👍

> On Aug 11, 2020, at 7:48 AM, Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Brendan,
> 
> It's all yours!  PayPal friends and family to this email is my preferred 
> method of payment.  Please include your address and I'll get it packed 
> shipped this week.  Thanks!
> 
> P.S. These are the best designed bags on the market.  I'm only selling it 
> because I went to a one rackless bag lifestyle so now I have a jumbo jammer 
> which fits my now suburban needs.
> 
> 
> Fair winds,
> 
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 9:30 AM Brendan Willard  wrote:
>> I’ll take the Jammer!
>> 
 Thanks,
 -Brendan Willard
 Owner/Winemaker
 Phantômé Cellars
>> phantomecellars.com 
>> 
>> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>> 
 On Aug 11, 2020, at 7:13 AM, Conway Bennett 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> It's all yours.  PayPal friends and family to this email is my preferred 
>>> method of payment.  Please include your address and I'll get it packed 
>>> shipped this week.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Fair winds,
>>> 
>>> Captain Conway Bennett
>>> 239.877.4119
>>> 
 On Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 9:01 AM Bryan Quinn  wrote:
 I’ll take the $40 treetop bag if still available. 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

[Clayton Scott]

Phil wood hubs are your friend if you use febders with horizontal dropouts. You 
can remove the bolt all the way and the wheel just drops out.

Clayton Scott 
HBG, CA

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[RBW] Re: A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[maxcr]

Love the bike, you’ve made it yours through the unique setup :)

What size? If you decide to sell, I might be interested.

Max

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

Is this feature dependent on the model or do all Phil track hubs do this?

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 10:16 AM Clayton Scott  wrote:

> Phil wood hubs are your friend if you use febders with horizontal
> dropouts. You can remove the bolt all the way and the wheel just drops out.
>
> Clayton Scott
> HBG, CA
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[RBW] Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Brady Smith]

Sounds like a great idea to me. I have a Jamis Aurora that I've rebuilt with a 
bunch of Riv-esque parts over the years, and I've always hoped to swap out the 
frame for a Sam when the time came. My only reservation is that the Jamis is my 
daily commuter, and it manages a nice balance of being nondescript but also a 
pleasure to ride. I have secure bike parking at my school, but a Rivendell as a 
daily commuter in a big city feels like more of a risk than I'd like. That 
said, a lot of the people I encounter riding my similarly Riv-ed out BMC 
Monster Cross think it's an antique I rescued from a garage sale, so maybe a 
similarly appointed Sam wouldn't attract as much attention as you'd think.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

[J L]

Ben,

As far as I know all phil wood bolt on hubs allow this. Any hub brand where the 
bolt provides the “shelf” that the dropout rests on will work the same. With 
the bolts removed all the way the hub is only as wide and the hub flange and it 
can drop out. 

Not CS but also a fan of this phil wood feature because I like fenders

> On Aug 11, 2020, at 8:49 AM, Benjamin L. Kelley  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Is this feature dependent on the model or do all Phil track hubs do this?
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 10:16 AM Clayton Scott  wrote:
>> Phil wood hubs are your friend if you use febders with horizontal dropouts. 
>> You can remove the bolt all the way and the wheel just drops out.
>> 
>> Clayton Scott 
>> HBG, CA
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Re: [RBW] Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Lyman Labry]

Hi,
I sold my Cross-Check this past spring and bought a Homer.  The ride and
the fit is superior. The staff at Rivbike were awesome dialing in my
measurements and expectations.  The Hillborne is similar to the Homer. I
believe you will be pleased with the results.
Lyman in Austin

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 9:49 AM Jeffrey Sincich 
wrote:

> Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to a
> Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the improvements?
> Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm Corss-Check. I mainly
> commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the future. Thanks in
> advance!
>
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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[maxcr]

I did this many years ago and never looked back. I had a frankenstem on my 
cross-check to get the bars where I wanted them. To me the Sam felt far 
more comfortable and stable, on top of that I outfitted it with fatter 
tires and a nicer rack which made the bike more functional for things 
beyond my commute.

If you're thinking about it and you can afford, you should do it - I'm 
confident you won't regret it.

Max

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:49:00 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:
>
> Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to a 
> Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the improvements? 
> Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm Corss-Check. I mainly 
> commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the future. Thanks in 
> advance!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[Bill Lindsay]

Tim

That's an entirely Rivish bike.  Anybody who thinks that is not a Rivish 
bike has way too narrow a view of what a Rivish bike is.  

I like the bike a lot and I particularly like the Ergo-on-stache bar 
setup.  That's really cool.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 7:49:07 AM UTC-7 Tim Wilson wrote:

> I'm new to the bunch, but a Rivendell owner since the beginning. Thought 
> some of you might be interested in seeing my admittedly 
> no-longer-very-riv-ish '94 All Rounder.
>
> Here's the story: In 1993 I bought a Bridgestone XO-1 frame, the orange 
> one, and spent the next year fiddling with configurations: various tire 
> styles, bar shapes, shifter positions, gearing strategies, all generally in 
> pursuit of the style of riding expressed in this famous image of Pineapple 
> Bob from the catalog that year: nimble, athletic, rebellious; off the 
> beaten path, old-school vibe.
>
> [image: Image.jpg]
>
> By '94, I'd figured out what setup I liked, but also that the frame I had 
> wasn't the right size for me. Too late, though, as Bridgestone was now out 
> of business in the US. Thankfully, Grant was on to his next thing, and 
> offering the All-Rounder, which seemed intended to keep the XO thing going, 
> at the time. I ordered one, drove up from Chicago to collect it at the 
> Waterford facility, and have had it ever since.
>
> Here it is today. Not so Rivendell-like by current standards, but tons of 
> fun to ride when I'm in the mustache-bar mood. Those are heretical 
> brake-lever shifters on there. Chorus 11-spd Ergo driving a Shimano 9-spd 
> mech. "Shimergo" I've heard it called. A perfect indexing match. Unusually, 
> I do like 'stache bars (for rides shorter than a couple hours) but have 
> never warmed to bar-end shifters. The Ergo levers work quite nicely on 
> mustache bars.
>
> [image: IMG_1764.jpeg]
>
> I'm too old now to have as many bikes as I have, and this one may not make 
> the cut. Don't know yet. What does the bunch think? I hope showing a bike 
> with the stem lower than the seat doesn't get me in trouble here.
>
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

Good to know.   I've only used Surly and crappier track hubs(from 2nd hand
bikes so not my choice to start with), and all of them have the protruding
shelf.
Maybe I'll add having the rear wheel of my QB rebuilt with a Phil Wood hub
to the projects list.
It'll definitely make fender season easier.

--ben

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 10:53 AM J L  wrote:

> Ben,
>
> As far as I know all phil wood bolt on hubs allow this. Any hub brand
> where the bolt provides the “shelf” that the dropout rests on will work the
> same. With the bolts removed all the way the hub is only as wide and the
> hub flange and it can drop out.
>
> Not CS but also a fan of this phil wood feature because I like fenders
>
> On Aug 11, 2020, at 8:49 AM, Benjamin L. Kelley 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Is this feature dependent on the model or do all Phil track hubs do this?
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 10:16 AM Clayton Scott 
> wrote:
>
>> Phil wood hubs are your friend if you use febders with horizontal
>> dropouts. You can remove the bolt all the way and the wheel just drops out.
>>
>> Clayton Scott
>> HBG, CA
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[RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

[True Golden]

And Aslan is on the move.
Paul in Dallas 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto/Riv handlebars, lugged stem, Cliffhangers, Rack

[Ray]

Hi Reid,

Know this is a long shot as this post is now several months old, but any 
chance you still have any of these items for sale. I'm interested in the 
albatross or choco bars (or both?).

Thanks,
Ray

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 11:04:19 AM UTC-6 Reid Echols wrote:

> Hi folks, 
>
> Just doing some spring cleaning and I have a selection of Riv and 
> Riv-approved components for sale. Prices not including shipping, though I'm 
> always open to possible trades or offers. 
>
> Handlebars (top to bottom in the photo): 
>
> Nitto Rivendell Choco bars -- $45 Nitto B809AA Heat Treated Riser Bars 
> (31.8) -- $55 Nitto M185 Drop Bar (26.0, 50cm) -- $50 Nitto Albatross 
> Aluminum (Heat Treated) -- $45 Nitto Rivendell Billie Bar -- $70 
>
>
> Brand new Velocity-built 36h Silver 650b Cliffhanger front wheel with ATB 
> disc hub, black spokes, with matching 36h silver rim. A perfect foundation 
> for a classic MTB or touring rig -- $250
>
> Lugged stem (Nitto? Must be.) $70. 1 1/8" threadless, approx. 90mm length. 
>
> Nitto Big Front Rack: $120 
>
> Photos available in this folder: 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1spVUCOUu-EhECsrlKM8OSOy7ewD2KJFo
>
> Items located in Austin, TX. 
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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Shoji Takahashi]

I'm a third to have made the move from CC to Riv (Homer) many years ago 
now. Riv ride and handling are much better for me.

Good luck, shoji


On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 12:07:55 PM UTC-4, maxcr wrote:
>
> I did this many years ago and never looked back. I had a frankenstem on my 
> cross-check to get the bars where I wanted them. To me the Sam felt far 
> more comfortable and stable, on top of that I outfitted it with fatter 
> tires and a nicer rack which made the bike more functional for things 
> beyond my commute.
>
> If you're thinking about it and you can afford, you should do it - I'm 
> confident you won't regret it.
>
> Max
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:49:00 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:
>>
>> Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to a 
>> Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the improvements? 
>> Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm Corss-Check. I mainly 
>> commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the future. Thanks in 
>> advance!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[Joe Bernard]

All Rivs are riv-ish, yours even has Rivendell right there on the downtube! 
Love the color, love the bars and levers 👍

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Re: [RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Quickbeam fans at a rally in Tennessee in 2018. 



They had gathered to demand the truth behind the demise several years earlier 
of the bike they affectionately call the “Q”-Beam (or just the “Q”), insisting 
that the switch to the SimpleOne was related to the creation of a “One" World 
State.

“It’s so obvious,” said one Q-Beam fan. “One day, there’s the Q, and the next 
there’s the same bike—the SAME BIKE—with a different name. Q was disappeared by 
the liberals in Walnutty Creek.”

Rivendell has responded officially to the allegations, although a spokesman 
posted on a pro-Rivendell subreddit that, “The truth is out there. Everything 
else is just #fakeblug.”

--Eric Norris
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> On Aug 11, 2020, at 4:39 AM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Everyone is " Q " . the joke is on the joke itself. 
> 
> What's going to happen  what happen-ed ... what's happen-ing . and 
> just who happens to ask and answer all these quests anyways ?
> 
> Ahahahahaha !'Tis I, the Q the Q of Me and I and You the question 
> , the answer and the wild woven web of endless Q-and-on's   you know ..
> 
> "The Story" ! 
> 
> What story ?  
> 
> Exactly . the one that keeps asking "what story"  ! 
> 
> Heeheehee  !
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on my aspiring Riv-style build?

[Joe Bernard]

I don't think I caught your size but maybe this could work. Says he'll ship. 

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-atlantis-2-51cm/7168591492.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chauncey Matthews Riv-cloned Road Bike for Road, take 2

[Patrick Moore]

No, though 1 reason was that I had only the 1 Pasela which I acquired as a
a design gauge.

There was perhaps 5 mm of clearance between top of Pasela and bottom of
flat-head allen bolt, and I could have ridden it so, but I wanted the fork
made right, which means room for a real 45 and 10 mm under fender bolt.

Once all is as it ought to be, I hope to get some Naches Pass tires and
*really* try out the design!

Chauncey was waiting for a new (biplane; Pacenti?) fork crown a weeke ago.

Which leads to a dilemma, one that can only afflict the privileged: should
29s or 42s be the default tire? I'm inclined to keep the 29s as the "main"
tire, since they ride so ineffably well on pavement, and since the bike
handles so wonderfully with them. I personally have no use for tires fatter
than, say, 32 mm, for pavement, even less than perfect pavement; given our
sandy soil, I prefer *real* width, as in 60 mm, and 700C to boot, for off
road. The Naches Passes would be occasional, "just 'cause I feel like it"
tires.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 7:14 AM Dave Johnston  wrote:

> Did you try riding it as it was with the 41mm Pasela?
>
> -Dave
>
> On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 5:28:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Chauncey picked up the new bike this (actually, yesterday) morning to
>> re-do the fork and reinforce the rear rack. A 41 mm Pasela has ample room
>> under the 45 mm fender in the rear, but while it fits under the fender in
>> front, there is only about 5 mm of clearance, so he will lengthen the fork
>> legs to gain an additional 10 mm, and swap out the fork-crown fender mount
>> with projecting boss with another that puts the threaded boss inside the
>> steerer, so that the fender can be butted up tight against the underside of
>> the crown. That should gain at least 3 mm. He said he can add more rake to
>> the fork to preserve the wonderful (Riv-like, in fact, since it's Riv
>> clone) handling.
>>
>> Grant would not have built me a custom with the features I wanted -- 42s
>> with fenders, narrow Q, and 118 mm OL rear spacing, with braze-ones for
>> Sturmey Archer trigger shifter, extra-long but thin plate dropouts
>> (Chauncey cut his own), and internal light wire routing, with custom f and
>> r racks. So I consider this a non-Riv tribute to Riv.
>>
>> Once I get the bike back, I'll look into buying some RH Naches Pass tires.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Soma Buena Vista Mixte Disc - 58 cm

[Thomas McCause]

If, in some time, you don't get any bites on the full bike, I would love to 
talk about f/f/hs and maybe a crankset...
-Thomas
Fruita, CO

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 8:48:46 AM UTC-6 Robb wrote:

> [image: SomaFab_BuenaVistaDisc_22.JPG]
>
> [image: SomaFab_BuenaVistaDisc_23.JPG]
>
> [image: SomsFab_BuenaVistaDisc_02_TektroDiscBrakes.JPG]
>
> [image: SomsFab_BuenaVistaDisc_10_VeloOrangeFrontRack-CaneCreekHeadSet.JPG]
>
> [image: SomsFab_BuenaVistaDisc_05_VeloOrangeTouringPedalWithCage.JPG]
>
> [image: SomaFab_BuenaVistaDisc_21.JPG]
> Purchased a pair of these Buena Vista's for our Sunday cruise/picnic 
> rides. Enjoyed them so much I purchased a RBW Cheviot so this one is 
> available.
>
> Size - 58cm
> Frame – Tange Prestige heat-treated CrMo steel main tubes
> Fork – Matching sloping-crown CrMo steel fork included. Features low-rider 
> pannier mounts.
> Handlebar – White Soma Clarence
> Grips - Red Race Face
> Stems - Soma 60 & 80 mm
> Saddle – Portland Design Works (PDW) Dios Thronous waterproof
> Seatpost - Soma Fab 27.2mm
> Rear Shifter – Shimano Alfine 8 speed shifter
> Brake Levers – Tektro MT3
> Rear Derailleur – Shimano Alfine Chain Tensioner
> Brakes – Tektro Mechanical Disc
> Crankset – Race Face Gimondi 39t
> Cassette/Hub – Shimano Alfine 8 speed hub
> Wheelset – Velocity Dyad 700c wheels
> Tires – Schwalbe Little Big Ben 700x38mm (note: can fit tires as wide as 
> 42mm)
> Saddle Bag - Black Soma Fabrications
> Handlebar bag - Red Jandd "Bike Bag"
> Pedal – Velo Orange Touring Pedals with MKS Half Toe Clips
> Water bottle cage - Velo Orange Retro Cage (based on a 1950s French design)
> Kickstand - Soma Chainstay Silver
> Fender eyelets - Yes
>
> Miles - Less than 250 miles 
>
> Soma Fab Buena Vista Disc Frame Set inf:
> https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/buena-vista-disc-frame-set
>
>
> Asking price: $1100
> Packing and shipping at buyer's expense. Will deliver to LBS for packing.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto/Riv handlebars, lugged stem, Cliffhangers, Rack

[Andrew Huston]

Following

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[RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

[True Golden]

>From the X-Files, "The truth is out there."
Paul in Dallas 

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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Mark Roland]

Interesting question. The way it is posed makes it sound as though there is 
a checklist you can look at to compare point by point, then tally it up and 
somehow calculate whether the additional cost is worth it. But most 
bicycles generally don't work in that linear fashion. It truly is the old 
"whole greater than the sum of the parts" cliche. And what is going to work 
best for any particular rider. 

While I've been a customer of Rivendell for a long time, until recently, I 
never had one of their bikes, for two main reasons.First is I like older 
bikes, and I generally don't like buying things new if I don't have to. 
Second, I always felt I could get close to Rivendell ride quality with the 
older bikes.

But in the last, I don't know, 10 years or so, that is probably not as 
true, especially for the Hillibikes and the newer iterations of some of the 
older models. When my Susie's fork arrives and meets its frame and gets 
shipped across the country, I will have 3 Rivendells, all Hillies.

The happy part, while subjective, does say a lot. My Clem L makes me a 
little happier I suppose than my 1984 Trek 830. For no particular reasons 
that could be ticked off a list--certainly not because I paid way more for 
it, or because it's in better condition. A more luxurious, deliberate but 
still plenty peppy ride feel, maybe would describe a difference? The Clems 
are based on old vintage mtbs like the 830, and lots of Surlys take design 
cues from Rivendells.  If there was no Clem L, I would be blissfully riding 
around on my not as nice Trek. 

I'm sure the Surly does everything you could want it to do, and gives you 
some happiness to boot. The Rivendell might give you additional happiness, 
as reported by others here.  As long as you are not constantly worrying if 
it will get stolen or damaged. But that's an inside job! Good luck.

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:49:00 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:
>
> Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to a 
> Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the improvements? 
> Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm Corss-Check. I mainly 
> commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the future. Thanks in 
> advance!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

[Mark Roland]

Now him I know. I trust he's keeping a paws-off approach with regard to 
conspiracies.

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 12:35:28 PM UTC-4, Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
> And Aslan is on the move.
>
> Paul in Dallas 
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[RBW] Re: Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think these are the 56cm wide Nitto Albatross bars that Soma offers with 
the 31.8mm clamp diameter:

Nitto Albatross Bars 


John

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 6:08:07 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:

>
> This is their version, I do not believe it is a Nitto.  
> https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/oxford-bar
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 7:34:28 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> I noticed recently that SOMA only has one 56cm wide Albatross listed & 
>> it's for 31.8 clamps!?
>>
>>
>> H . . . . ?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[Joel Stern]

There is one here in CroMo

https://www.benscycle.com/Nitto-B352-North-Road-Handlebar-254mm-Bar-Clamp-60-Degree-Bend-60mm-Rise-550mm-Width-Chromoly-Silver/CruiserMulti-Position_Handlebar_Nitto_1355_HB1005/Product?ad_id=MAgoogle&msclkid=a0957c2a32fb1cab25df2319236f5ab0&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=**LP%20-%20Shopping%20-%20Handlebars&utm_term=4581183922105295&utm_content=HB1005%20%7C%20Nitto%20B352%20North%20Road%20Handlebar%20%7C%20%2475.99

Here

https://www.performancebike.com/nitto-b352-north-road-handlebars-silver-25.4mm-60mm-rise-550mm-b352ex-550mm/p1245714?v=313034

Here

https://www.ebay.com/p/1500101853

and here

https://www.treefortbikes.com/Nitto-B352-North-Road-Handlebar-55cm-CrMo

SInce Riv is out I bought the B352 (albatross) from Treefortbikes.com in
CroMo.. I have the Aluminum on my Bleriot but I think the CroMo will be
fine.

Good luck

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> I think these are the 56cm wide Nitto Albatross bars that Soma offers with
> the 31.8mm clamp diameter:
>
> Nitto Albatross Bars
> 
>
> John
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 6:08:07 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>>
>> This is their version, I do not believe it is a Nitto.
>> https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/oxford-bar
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 7:34:28 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>>>
>>> I noticed recently that SOMA only has one 56cm wide Albatross listed &
>>> it's for 31.8 clamps!?
>>>
>>>
>>> H . . . . ?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS 62 cm Custom Riv f/f by Joe Starck - ’98

[Corwin]

Hi -

The link appears to have pics of two different frames. One set has 
braze-ons for canti-levers or V-brakes, and mounts for a rack on the fork 
crown. The other set of pics appears to be the Riv Road from previous posts 
to this thread.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 7:48:59 AM UTC-7 ctbiker wrote:

>
> 3 new pix on 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/fosses/albums/72157714856151207/with/50044245932/
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Foss
> Lisbon, CT
> U.S.A.
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[RBW] Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[Mackenzy Albright]

For those of you contemplating wider albatross bars, there's a custom bar 
builder on Instagram doom.bars who has been making an albatross style bar in 
various 600mm+ sizes. And can make customs for $100usd. Can't say haven't been 
tempted.

 https://instagram.com/doom.bars?igshid=1gsbk70p44itn

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Re: [RBW] Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[Joel Stern]

There is also the Nitto Billie Bar that Riv has..

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> For those of you contemplating wider albatross bars, there's a custom bar
> builder on Instagram doom.bars who has been making an albatross style bar
> in various 600mm+ sizes. And can make customs for $100usd. Can't say
> haven't been tempted.
>
>  https://instagram.com/doom.bars?igshid=1gsbk70p44itn
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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello Jeffrey
This year I finally stepped up and built up a Hillborne after Rivving up a 
1992 Bridgestone RB-T, a 1993 Bridgestone XO-2, and a 1983 Specialized 
Expedition.
You can read all about and see those pics at 
PipesBikesandLeather.com

Once I rode the Hillborne, all of those others faded into the memory of my 
affections. The Sam is that good.

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 9:49:00 AM UTC-5, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:
>
> Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to a 
> Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the improvements? 
> Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm Corss-Check. I mainly 
> commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the future. Thanks in 
> advance!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Jason Fuller]

First off, there's nothing you couldn't do on the CrossCheck that you could 
do on the Hillborne. Both are exemplary do-it-all bikes. But if you did 
make the switch, I can personally attest you'll find that: 
- The Hillborne rides smoother
- The Hillborne tracks nicer
- The Hillborne feels more intuitively responsive

These are a result of the geometry and tubing of the Hillborne that are 
simply superior to the Crosscheck. I love Surly stuff and they share a rare 
trait with Rivendell in that they don't seem to age, but I find their 
tubing selection and geometry lacks the refinement that may not make much 
difference in city riding, but starts to really be noticeable as you spend 
more time in the saddle. 

Ideal scenario I'd keep the Crosscheck as a lockup bike and maybe simplify 
the build, and make the Hillborne the fancy bike. What a great combo. 

On Tuesday, 11 August 2020 at 19:38:56 UTC-7 Nathan Mattia wrote:

> Hello Jeffrey
> This year I finally stepped up and built up a Hillborne after Rivving up a 
> 1992 Bridgestone RB-T, a 1993 Bridgestone XO-2, and a 1983 Specialized 
> Expedition.
> You can read all about and see those pics at 
> PipesBikesandLeather.com
>
> Once I rode the Hillborne, all of those others faded into the memory of my 
> affections. The Sam is that good.
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 9:49:00 AM UTC-5, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:
>>
>> Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to a 
>> Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the improvements? 
>> Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm Corss-Check. I mainly 
>> commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the future. Thanks in 
>> advance!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[masmojo]

I had a Cross Check and for the money it's really hard to beat.
There's only one thing I really didn't like about it. The top tube was a bit 
short, this really showed itself in the area of toe overlap and you had to use 
a really long stem to run Albatross handlebars. Running fenders was doable but 
only just. On the positive side it was one of the most comfortable bikes to 
pedal, for whatever reason my seat position relative to the pedals was just 
perfect! I eventually took the Albatross bars off and switched to a Jitensa (or 
similar) bar which the second owner kept, were still on it as it passed to the 
third owner & are likely still on it.
A Sam will be a similar bike while being completely different  at the same 
time. It will cure many of the things I found "off" about the CC AND it'll look 
great!

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[RBW] ISO/WTT/WTB Rene Herse Maes Parallel, **non** ultralight bar, 42 mm at outside center of hooks

[Patrick Moore]

I don't want a VO bar, thanks, and I do want 42 mm c-c measured at the
middle of the outside of the hooks. Am willing to consider 44 mm at this
point, but my inner pea-princess prefers 42.

As the Cajun chef said when asked what wine goes with his gumbo, "Watcha
got?"

Thanks.

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Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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Re: [RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

[Bill Eberle in Portland OR]

You could hang a reflective safety pizza 🍕 on the back of the saddle. Just 
saying.

Bill in PDX

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[RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

[Brett Callahan]

So, soon JFK Jr.  Will reveal that a) he alive, b) he is Grant, and c) he faked 
his own death to take down the carbon fiber conspiracy? Sign me up!  

Where we pedal one we pedal all, or something.  

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[RBW] WTB: clem L 59cm

[jamin orrall]

looking for a clem L 59 frameset.  Need to stop riding my cheviot like a mtb! 

Jamin
Located in Los Angeles

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[RBW] Re: FS: Orange Rivendell Rambouillet 60cm

[Kevin D norcal]

Hey Christian, 
I might be interested in your 62cm Rambouillet.  I realize the 64cm I have 
is too large and have been looking for 62.  If the 60cm in Portland is 
still available maybe there's a way to resolve things.  
Also, I think you had a couple responses for Albatross bars, but if you're 
still looking let me know - I have an extra set or two.
best,
Kevin
Snata Rosa

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 4:00:15 PM UTC-7 christian poppell wrote:

> Beautiful bike and a good deal! If I didn't already have one...
>
> Mine is a 62cm that's slightly too big for me. If someone wants to buy 
> this and trade frames straight up I would be interested depending on 
> frame/overall condition. 
>
> Good luck with the sale,
> Christian
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 3:36:58 PM UTC-7, John Beaston wrote:
>>
>> Orange Rivendell Rambouillet 60cm $850 Complete
>> Original owner. My commuter for many years. It's just not getting ridden 
>> much after retirement and we're culling the herd as part of downsizing.
>> Serial RB 0419.
>> Paint in good condition. One area under rear stay has paint rubbed off 
>> (but protected by clearcoat). Not noticeable under usual riding conditions.
>> Set up as 1X9. Sugino XD cranks. 
>> Ultegra rear derailleur. Ultegra downtube shifter.
>> Ultegra brakes and levers.
>> Ultegra hubs with Mavic Open Pro rims.
>> Rear and partial front RCB Full Wood fenders.
>> Nitto stem and Noodle bars.
>> Nitto rear rack.
>> WTB saddle with Nitto seatpost.
>> Sans pedals.
>>
>> Prefer local Portland, OR sale (PayPal) but will ship via buyer-paid Bike 
>> Flights. Happy to provide more pics upon request.
>>
>> [image: Rambouillet.jpg]
>>
>

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