[RBW] Re: Building a Sam Hillborne

[Collin A]

You ask how to build up a bike, and as others have mentioned there are many 
"good" ways to build up a bike and I'd argue there are almost no "bad" ways 
to build a bike, as long as it works (exaggerating a bit, but you get my 
point)! You have loads of parts, so really it seems like you could build up 
just about anything.

A few questions to get your mental gears turning:
1. Do you want it to be like your other bikes or something different (to 
take advantage of building from the ground up)?
2. Whats the typical ride going to be for the bike? Fully loaded on rough 
trails, smooth pavement and a days worth of food, or somewhere in between?
3. Are there any items you MUST include? I ask because sometimes you have a 
really nice pair of _ that you want to use (and you seem to have TONS 
of parts...).

Personally, I recently converted my Joe to a dirt-drop bar slick 650x50 
bike and LOVE it. 2x9 with friction bar ends are quite fun, but can't say 
they are any better than my 2x11 STI on my 700x38 gravel bike, or the 1x11 
flat bar setup that was on it before. They are all fun and all worth trying 
in my opinion. 

Good luck!
Collin in Sacramento

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:25:22 AM UTC-8 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have acquired a Sam Hillborne frame. 
> Maybe it's been the long winter. I don't know what. 
> But I am stumped as to how to build it up. (I am ashamed now to realize 
> that while I have owned dozens of bikes, almost all have been completes. I 
> have rarely built one up from a bare frame.)
> Worse (or maybe Better) I have a big collection of spare parts to choose 
> from everything from 6S downtube to 9S speed click shifting, Campagnolo and 
> Shimano. I have about 35-50 of each bit - BB, FD, RD, shifters, cranks
>
> Some advice could be helpful.
> I'll post my spreadsheet here in case anyone wants to look (BTW everything 
> is for sale too. but that's not the point of this post, really. It's more 
> that people can only guide me if they know what my choices are)
>
> https://tinyurl.com/2vhm38sn
>
> Barend shifters or handlebar mounter STI/Ergo "Click" shifters?
> Compact double or a Triple crankset.? (my riding will be mostly paved 
> country roads, maybe some packed gravel, not overly hilly.)
> Drop bars (I have TONS of drop bars) or moustache bars (I don't have any 
> really)? I generally prefer drop bars for all riding situations.
>
> Anyway, rather than wandering aimlessly around in the garage randomly 
> plucking parts from my bins, I'm all ears for a more coherent approach.
>
> Peter Stock
> Toronto Canada 
>
> [image: 59X59 Rivendell Sam Hillborne FULL.JPG]
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L for Sale

[Roberta]

Eric
I’ll pm you.  One other person inquired. If I don’t sell it quickly I’ll 
create a thread. 
Roberta

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 12:52:56 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Apologies for steering things off topic but Kai has me interested in 
> seeing Roberta's mustard J'Appaloosa. Can anyone point me to pictures?
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:20:48 AM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> There's no finer Joe Appaloosa anywhere, folks on the hunt should get 
>> this before Roberta comes to her senses and holds it tight.
>> Wishing I could buy it for the parts alone. Darn 650b!
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:32:43 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Brian, my mustard 51 cm Joe A will be on the market in a few days.   PM 
>>> me if interested. Full bike only at this time. 
>>>
>>> Roberta in Philadelphia, PA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 10:10:44 PM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi

 The business model for Rivendell is to focus on one frame group at a 
 time.  So it takes a couple of months to work through a container or so of 
 frames.  They are having the Sam Hillborne frame now so that is going to 
 generate the excitement for their work capacity.  It could easily be next 
 year before the Clem Smith Junior (H) and (L).  

 The variety of bicycle types and models is cool but a person who sees a 
 bike like my Clem Smith Jr. might have to wait a long time to find one for 
 themselves.  I wanted a Joe Appaloosa months ago and have not been able to 
 get one.

 That is why the secondary market is important.  When we pass our bikes 
 around among Rivendellers we make it possible to have or try more than one 
 Bicycle.

 This bike is really beautiful in person.  Grant says it will last a 
 lifetime and it is less than a year old now.

 Brian Oldham
 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>

 On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:02 AM Mark Roland  
 wrote:

> Nice build on one of the (rightly) most sought after models in all of 
> Rivendell. This bike with lights and fenders and comfy seat can do double 
> duty as bike that can take you just about anywhere and as your second car 
> (but way less expensive and waaay more fun.) I don't think the Clem Ls 
> are 
> due again for some time?
>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 
> brianma...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi. 
>>
>> 52 frame size
>>
>> Brian O
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 05:58 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
>> thesix...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Frame size?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:23:07 AM UTC-5 
>>> brianma...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi all, 
 for I bought a Clem Smith Jr. last September and have ridden and 
 enjoyed it but now it is time to sell.  This bike has been upgraded as 
 follows"

 generator hub and light

 better Shimano pedals

 better seat  Brooks B67S

 rivendell handle bar treatment,  shellacked bar tape and cork grips

 The bicycle is in very good shape 

 I paid $1,600 for a complete bike and the upgrades added to the 
 cost.

 Asking price is $1,500 or you have a different offer.

 Brian Oldham
 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>

 San Carlos, Ca. 

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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Philip Barrett]

Husqvarna FE501S - no less, guy had owned for a year, put 500 miles on it & 
was upside down on the financing. Ad appeared late Sunday evening, he was 
about 40 miles away & I told him I'd be there at 9am in the morning with 
cash.

Got it for a price that even my motorcycle wholesaler friend couldn't 
believe!

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 6:41:50 PM UTC-6 Michael Morrissey wrote:

>
> Lol what motorcycle did you get?
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 4:56:12 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think some very good points were made above in that you have to be able 
>> to appreciate what you're looking at to understand the value. I'm sure most 
>> people look at the Rivendell range and think "Target bike" or at best 
>> "Linus bike" (which incidentally my wife rides happily) so you're not going 
>> to attract the casual bike buyer looking for something to run around the 
>> park with. 
>>
>> Location must be a huge part of the equation too? Dallas (my domicile) is 
>> a very popular cycling city BUT local riders are almost exclusively 
>> weekend/weeknight warriors counting grams on their carbon framesets. That's 
>> not a criticism, but the idea of them spending $1,000s on a bike guaranteed 
>> not to work with their Strava KOMs is optimistic at best. So that being 
>> said, I'm surprised this one hadn't sold being in a location(NorCal) that 
>> is much more open & friendly to bikes as transportation. In Texas I would 
>> add Austin to the "better likelihood for sale" locations, nationally the 
>> obvious ones are the PNW, NorCal and NYC area (doesn't Bikesnob ride a Riv)?
>>
>> Joe is 100% correct on the pictures. I've had a lot of success on 
>> Craigslist and I'm sure that's mostly due to sensible pricing and lots of 
>> pretty pictures. Of course the absolutely crazy best buying deal I ever got 
>> on a motorcycle was accompanied by one lousy cell phone photo taken in a 
>> dark cellar at midnight!
>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 3:41:16 PM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Would this be worth a dedicated “How to sell a Riv” thread?
>>> I’ve seen a lot of people selling, a lot of people looking to buy.  This 
>>> is the first thread I’ve seen with discussion about How To.
>>>
>>> List in a lot of places, list on other groups, be patient, consider 
>>> consignment at an LBS.
>>> To which I could add “Spend a day cleaning with a toothbrush, soapy 
>>> water, and apply a good show car polish like Zaino’s, and you’ll get an 
>>> extra $100”, unless you are selling it sight-unseen.
>>> Also a few other comments, but this thread doesn't seem the place.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Building a Sam Hillborne

[velomann]

Two thoughts - from someone who just built up a new dark gold Sam this fall 
(my first Rivendell but I've built up a lot of bikes from bare frames.)

First, I prefer downtube shifters on all my drop bar bikes. That's just me. 
It's what I'm most comfortable with, it gives me the opportunity to take my 
hands off the bars on a regular basis, and unlike brake/shift combos they 
rarely break or need servicing. However, the Sam does not have downtube 
bosses, so while that's not an insurmountable thing, it makes it a no-go 
for me. 

Second, I built my own 24/38 wide/low crankset with bash guard out of a 
Sugino XD triple I had - broke off, ground and filed the teeth on an old 
outer ring. I run it with an Ultegra long-cage RD and 9-speed 11-34 
cassette and it gives me all the high and low I could ever want for this 
bike. 

btw, I'm running Bosco bars and a right Microshift thumbie. But I'm 
planning on creating a 2nd cockpit I can swap in with a 46cm Noodle bar and 
it will use a barend shifter.

Mike M
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:25:22 AM UTC-8 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have acquired a Sam Hillborne frame. 
> Maybe it's been the long winter. I don't know what. 
> But I am stumped as to how to build it up. (I am ashamed now to realize 
> that while I have owned dozens of bikes, almost all have been completes. I 
> have rarely built one up from a bare frame.)
> Worse (or maybe Better) I have a big collection of spare parts to choose 
> from everything from 6S downtube to 9S speed click shifting, Campagnolo and 
> Shimano. I have about 35-50 of each bit - BB, FD, RD, shifters, cranks
>
> Some advice could be helpful.
> I'll post my spreadsheet here in case anyone wants to look (BTW everything 
> is for sale too. but that's not the point of this post, really. It's more 
> that people can only guide me if they know what my choices are)
>
> https://tinyurl.com/2vhm38sn
>
> Barend shifters or handlebar mounter STI/Ergo "Click" shifters?
> Compact double or a Triple crankset.? (my riding will be mostly paved 
> country roads, maybe some packed gravel, not overly hilly.)
> Drop bars (I have TONS of drop bars) or moustache bars (I don't have any 
> really)? I generally prefer drop bars for all riding situations.
>
> Anyway, rather than wandering aimlessly around in the garage randomly 
> plucking parts from my bins, I'm all ears for a more coherent approach.
>
> Peter Stock
> Toronto Canada 
>
> [image: 59X59 Rivendell Sam Hillborne FULL.JPG]
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Michael Morrissey]

Lol what motorcycle did you get?
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 4:56:12 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I think some very good points were made above in that you have to be able 
> to appreciate what you're looking at to understand the value. I'm sure most 
> people look at the Rivendell range and think "Target bike" or at best 
> "Linus bike" (which incidentally my wife rides happily) so you're not going 
> to attract the casual bike buyer looking for something to run around the 
> park with. 
>
> Location must be a huge part of the equation too? Dallas (my domicile) is 
> a very popular cycling city BUT local riders are almost exclusively 
> weekend/weeknight warriors counting grams on their carbon framesets. That's 
> not a criticism, but the idea of them spending $1,000s on a bike guaranteed 
> not to work with their Strava KOMs is optimistic at best. So that being 
> said, I'm surprised this one hadn't sold being in a location(NorCal) that 
> is much more open & friendly to bikes as transportation. In Texas I would 
> add Austin to the "better likelihood for sale" locations, nationally the 
> obvious ones are the PNW, NorCal and NYC area (doesn't Bikesnob ride a Riv)?
>
> Joe is 100% correct on the pictures. I've had a lot of success on 
> Craigslist and I'm sure that's mostly due to sensible pricing and lots of 
> pretty pictures. Of course the absolutely crazy best buying deal I ever got 
> on a motorcycle was accompanied by one lousy cell phone photo taken in a 
> dark cellar at midnight!
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 3:41:16 PM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:
>
>>
>> Would this be worth a dedicated “How to sell a Riv” thread?
>> I’ve seen a lot of people selling, a lot of people looking to buy.  This 
>> is the first thread I’ve seen with discussion about How To.
>>
>> List in a lot of places, list on other groups, be patient, consider 
>> consignment at an LBS.
>> To which I could add “Spend a day cleaning with a toothbrush, soapy 
>> water, and apply a good show car polish like Zaino’s, and you’ll get an 
>> extra $100”, unless you are selling it sight-unseen.
>> Also a few other comments, but this thread doesn't seem the place.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Building a Sam Hillborne

[aeroperf]

Dang, that is a big collection of spare parts.

Your problem with this thread is going to be the fact that everybody has an 
opinion.  People “like” different things, and will be proponents of them.
So what you need to do first is figure out what YOU like.  and that is 
going to be hard.
You like drop bars, so… drop bars.  Except, if you’ve never tried mustache 
or albatross bars, maybe you should try one set.  And lots of folks will be 
posting saying “Yes!  Straight bars!”.

I like Osprey bars, bar-ends, triple cranksets, and 9-speed rears.  I have 
good reasons for each choice, but your riding and reasons WILL be different.

So let’s start here:

1.  Pick something you are comfortable with that you have multiple 
selections for.  And based on your spreadsheet, that won’t be limiting.  So 
just pick one - 3x9 and bar-ends on drops, for instance.  What have you 
liked before?
2.  Download the information for the parts you have.  I know Shimano has 
posted Shop Manuals, User’s Manuals, and Exploded Views for EVERYTHING.  
I’m kind of thinking Campi does, too.
3.  Go through the data and find the bits that go together  The right 
chainline.  The right throw and shape (2x derailleurs have a different  
throw and shape from 3x derailleurs, for instance).  The right brake 
reach.  The right rims for your riding style, and hubs for your accessories.
4.  Order anything you really want and don’t have, and build it up, and go 
try it.  That will at least get you a complete bike you can use as a base.
5.  Modify anything you don’t like.  Over and over.  If you get stuck, post 
here.

And enjoy the process!  The wonderful thing about a Sam is that it succeeds 
for almost any set of choices.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest Blahg: brakes

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Keith. I found the reference.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:29 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> Canti brakes are in the Sept. 10 Blahg.
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 9:32:18 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Nice to see a new one (Blahg).
>>
>> Can anyone fill me in on Riv's proposed new cantilever brakes? Low or
>> high profile? Threaded or smooth post pads? This is more than academic
>> interest, because I'd like to replace the pretty but poorly performing
>> Tektro CR 720s on the Matthews road bike with something just as pretty but
>> with more retarding force, and I'd just as soon give my money to Rivendell.
>>
>> e-Bikes with rim brakes. Fun fact: back in the 1960s Honda, among others,
>> built 50 cc GP racing motorbikes with front rim brakes. These things were
>> outrageous; eventually they got 20 HP at 20K+ r's pm and over 100 mph from
>> an engine the size of a pill bottle. Wonderful!
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who remembers riding a HS friend's 50 cc Vespa with her on
>> back, which would not go 100+ mph.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *6. We continue to work on V-brakes (two models, one a backup for the
>> other), cantilever brakes, and a rear derailer. They will be --in my
>> opinion -- da way da big makers should be making them now but aren't. It is
>> entirely possible that we won't see these happen, but for now we're
>>  pretending they will. We've put an embarassingly large sum of money-for-us
>> into them, and time, too.7. We're getting some new rims in about 15 months.
>> That's because we ordered them only seven months ago. That's what it's
>> like. But we'll get samples  in a few months. We are extremely happy with
>> the rims we have, but we have to plan for extinction of things we like a
>> lot, because if we like them a lot, it means the higher volume mainstream
>> market doesn't know about them or appreciate them and in any case doesn't
>> buy them. The new rims are made for eBikes with rim brakes, believe it or
>> not. But they're PERFECT for touring, light trail, strong road...with tires
>> up to about 52mm.*--
>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Philip Barrett]

I think some very good points were made above in that you have to be able 
to appreciate what you're looking at to understand the value. I'm sure most 
people look at the Rivendell range and think "Target bike" or at best 
"Linus bike" (which incidentally my wife rides happily) so you're not going 
to attract the casual bike buyer looking for something to run around the 
park with. 

Location must be a huge part of the equation too? Dallas (my domicile) is a 
very popular cycling city BUT local riders are almost exclusively 
weekend/weeknight warriors counting grams on their carbon framesets. That's 
not a criticism, but the idea of them spending $1,000s on a bike guaranteed 
not to work with their Strava KOMs is optimistic at best. So that being 
said, I'm surprised this one hadn't sold being in a location(NorCal) that 
is much more open & friendly to bikes as transportation. In Texas I would 
add Austin to the "better likelihood for sale" locations, nationally the 
obvious ones are the PNW, NorCal and NYC area (doesn't Bikesnob ride a Riv)?

Joe is 100% correct on the pictures. I've had a lot of success on 
Craigslist and I'm sure that's mostly due to sensible pricing and lots of 
pretty pictures. Of course the absolutely crazy best buying deal I ever got 
on a motorcycle was accompanied by one lousy cell phone photo taken in a 
dark cellar at midnight!
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 3:41:16 PM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:

>
> Would this be worth a dedicated “How to sell a Riv” thread?
> I’ve seen a lot of people selling, a lot of people looking to buy.  This 
> is the first thread I’ve seen with discussion about How To.
>
> List in a lot of places, list on other groups, be patient, consider 
> consignment at an LBS.
> To which I could add “Spend a day cleaning with a toothbrush, soapy water, 
> and apply a good show car polish like Zaino’s, and you’ll get an extra 
> $100”, unless you are selling it sight-unseen.
> Also a few other comments, but this thread doesn't seem the place.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Joe Bernard]

I think the biggest mover is lots of pics, which I put in a linkable album 
so folks here can get to them. If I'm buying and there's only one pic I'm 
pretty reticent to jump, there's not enough there to grab my eye and suck 
me in. People like to browse for hours and look at every nook and cranny, 
it feeds the "gotta have it" lobe in the old brain. Suck em in! 

Joe Bernard

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:41:16 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:

>
> Would this be worth a dedicated “How to sell a Riv” thread?
> I’ve seen a lot of people selling, a lot of people looking to buy.  This 
> is the first thread I’ve seen with discussion about How To.
>
> List in a lot of places, list on other groups, be patient, consider 
> consignment at an LBS.
> To which I could add “Spend a day cleaning with a toothbrush, soapy water, 
> and apply a good show car polish like Zaino’s, and you’ll get an extra 
> $100”, unless you are selling it sight-unseen.
> Also a few other comments, but this thread doesn't seem the place.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[aeroperf]

Would this be worth a dedicated “How to sell a Riv” thread?
I’ve seen a lot of people selling, a lot of people looking to buy.  This is 
the first thread I’ve seen with discussion about How To.

List in a lot of places, list on other groups, be patient, consider 
consignment at an LBS.
To which I could add “Spend a day cleaning with a toothbrush, soapy water, 
and apply a good show car polish like Zaino’s, and you’ll get an extra 
$100”, unless you are selling it sight-unseen.
Also a few other comments, but this thread doesn't seem the place.

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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Philip Barrett]

Once the Texas summer gets here she'll be nasty-texting you about sending 
her to the 5th circle of Hell!

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com wrote:

>  
>
> Bikes need to be ridden and I know this one will have a great productive 
> life now.
>
> Brian Oldham
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 1:07 PM Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
>> This lurker just became an owner - thanks Brian! 
>>
>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:32:51 PM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> More proof that the value of the Rivendell is the owners group.  Real 
>>> bicycle knowledge including the world in which we ride.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Brian O
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 11:28 AM Eric Floden  wrote:
>>>
 I check pinkbike.com regularly for Rivs. Currently there is a Roadini 
 for $US1200

 On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 11:25, Anthony Coffin  wrote:

> I'm not sure where all you have listed it but there are a lot more 
> people shopping for Rivendells than just the folks on this forum. I would 
> try other bike forums as well as ebay. I know ebay takes a big cut, but 
> it's also the biggest audience and Rivendells don't usually last a long 
> time.
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Brian Oldham]

Bikes need to be ridden and I know this one will have a great productive
life now.

Brian Oldham

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 1:07 PM Philip Barrett 
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> This lurker just became an owner - thanks Brian!
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:32:51 PM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> More proof that the value of the Rivendell is the owners group.  Real
>> bicycle knowledge including the world in which we ride.  Thanks.
>>
>> Brian O
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 11:28 AM Eric Floden  wrote:
>>
>>> I check pinkbike.com regularly for Rivs. Currently there is a Roadini
>>> for $US1200
>>>
>>> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 11:25, Anthony Coffin  wrote:
>>>
 I'm not sure where all you have listed it but there are a lot more
 people shopping for Rivendells than just the folks on this forum. I would
 try other bike forums as well as ebay. I know ebay takes a big cut, but
 it's also the biggest audience and Rivendells don't usually last a long
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Philip Barrett]

When you find the perfect match you gotta make your move! As Beyonce said, 
put a ring on it.

It's the not-so-secret with being successful on Craigslist too.

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 3:29:06 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Right?? The apparent disconnect continuing to transpire there was starting 
> to stress me out! I'm glad it resolved well. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:24:42 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I followed Brian's posts with sympathy and Phil's increasingly anxious 
>> posts with trepidation, so I am very glad that extremes met, and that Brian 
>> sold and Phil bought. Hallelujah!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 2:07 PM Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
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>>> This lurker just became an owner - thanks Brian! 
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Joe Bernard]

Right?? The apparent disconnect continuing to transpire there was starting 
to stress me out! I'm glad it resolved well. 



On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:24:42 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I followed Brian's posts with sympathy and Phil's increasingly anxious 
> posts with trepidation, so I am very glad that extremes met, and that Brian 
> sold and Phil bought. Hallelujah!
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 2:07 PM Philip Barrett  
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Patrick Moore]

I followed Brian's posts with sympathy and Phil's increasingly anxious
posts with trepidation, so I am very glad that extremes met, and that Brian
sold and Phil bought. Hallelujah!


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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Philip Barrett]

This lurker just became an owner - thanks Brian! 

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:32:51 PM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com wrote:

> More proof that the value of the Rivendell is the owners group.  Real 
> bicycle knowledge including the world in which we ride.  Thanks.
>
> Brian O
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 11:28 AM Eric Floden  wrote:
>
>> I check pinkbike.com regularly for Rivs. Currently there is a Roadini 
>> for $US1200
>>
>> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 11:25, Anthony Coffin  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure where all you have listed it but there are a lot more 
>>> people shopping for Rivendells than just the folks on this forum. I would 
>>> try other bike forums as well as ebay. I know ebay takes a big cut, but 
>>> it's also the biggest audience and Rivendells don't usually last a long 
>>> time.
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Re: [RBW] Bizarre Winter Weather

[Jeremy Till]

Good stuff! I myself was able to get my first shot on Wednesday here in 
California. I used my car for the drive-through mass vaccination site at 
our state fairgrounds, but wondered if they would have let me through on a 
bicycle. 

-Jeremy Till 
Sacramento, CA

On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 9:34:36 AM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Today's Dallas' exploit was the unexpected email that I could get a COVID 
> vaccine. Of course I was the only bike in line, some consternation about 
> whether they could allow it but a Dallas Police Officer decided that I was 
> a vehicle in their eyes & could go ahead! Of course, all the staff 
> volunteers wanted to chat about it too.
>
> [image: PXL_20210224_160700384.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 11:32:02 AM UTC-6 Philip Barrett wrote:
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>> There's another great brewery on the island - https://skyeale.com/ale/
>>
>> Started by 2 friends who realized they were spending way too much on 
>> other brewer's beer & they should do something about it!
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 10:17:15 AM UTC-6 ericf3 wrote:
>>
>>> One of my favorite radio comedies, Cabin Pressure, has several 
>>> references to Talisker...
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_Pressure_(radio_series)
>>>
>>> https://www.comedy.co.uk/radio/cabin_pressure/
>>>
>>> Riv-related content: none, sorry
>>>
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[RBW] Re: wtb: albastache bars, Nitto RM 017

[Dave Redmon]

I have a nice pair of 56cm Albastache 23.8 dia alum bars shipped CONUS for 
$110. Comes just like I removed it from my Rawland Stag, with yellow Fizik 
bar tape + silver Tektro RL 520 brake levers (for V brakes) + brake cables. 
Photo available separately.

Dave in Kansas
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 12:50:17 PM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:

> anyone have a pair not in use? I'm in the market.

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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Brian Oldham]

More proof that the value of the Rivendell is the owners group.  Real
bicycle knowledge including the world in which we ride.  Thanks.

Brian O

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 11:28 AM Eric Floden  wrote:

> I check pinkbike.com regularly for Rivs. Currently there is a Roadini for
> $US1200
>
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 11:25, Anthony Coffin  wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure where all you have listed it but there are a lot more people
>> shopping for Rivendells than just the folks on this forum. I would try
>> other bike forums as well as ebay. I know ebay takes a big cut, but it's
>> also the biggest audience and Rivendells don't usually last a long time.
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Philip Barrett]

FYI - I tried call the 916 number & left you a text.

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 12:51:35 PM UTC-6 Philip Barrett wrote:

>
> Dallas, TX - so buying long distance - would love to see some more pics of 
> the bike as she is built up now.
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 12:49:06 PM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It needs a new home and you are Rivendell qualified. Where are you 
>> located ?  I’m in San Carlos. On the Peninsula south of San Francisco. Can 
>> you come get a test ride?  
>>
>> Brian Oldham. 
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 09:23 Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure how else to say this? I'm interested in buying your bike, if 
>>> you're still interested in selling.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:21:10 AM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes. I’m not on any social media and wonder if that’s bad. 

 B

 On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 09:19 Philip Barrett  
 wrote:

>>> I'm not on Facebook either but sent you a text & an email on this bike.
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for this. I’m not on Facebook. Maybe this thread is. 
>>
>> Brian O
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 20:38 Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
> I think you need to update the original FS post with pics of the bike 
>>> with Nitto racks, the one you show only has a Pletscher rear. The new 
>>> pics 
>>> may have the new pedals, too, but be aware that most folks have their 
>>> own 
>>> favorites and may not be into a Shimano pedal if it's clipless. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-8 
>>> brianma...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 This is a good reply and thank you for it. Practical. Patience is 
 often a powerful quality. I’m also now able to spell schlemiel. 
 Thanks. 

 Brian O

 On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 19:57 Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> You have a nice bike, but to the average schlemiel browsing want 
> ads it doesn't fall into the high price (anything over ~$300) 
> categories of 
> road bike or fulls suspension mountain bike. It looks (to said 
> schlemiel) 
> as if it should sell for $300. You belong like the rest of us to a 
> very 
> peculiar and small cycling niche that appreciates both quality and 
> comfort. 
> Heat treated handlebars, cork grips, Nitto versus Pletscher racks, 
> Brookses, dynamos, etc. just don't enter into the weltanschauung of 
> most 
> people looking for a "cruiser" bike (and in this case, that's an 
> honorable 
> term). Most people hope to find these at Target.
>
> Me, I'd try to find other vending outlets. Off the top of my head, 
> if you belong to a church in a high-rent neighborhood, post a FS sign 
> explaining the quality -- "this is not your average $300 cruiser" 
> even if 
> to unpracticed eyes it looks like one. Ditto at work, if you work in 
> an 
> office, or belong to a gymn, or attend wine tasting events; you get 
> the 
> idea. You'll have to find people with means who want a comfortable 
> bike and 
> can also understand as well as afford one that is top quality. 
> Otherwise, 
> again, people will associate quality with cf road bikes and full susp 
> mountain bikes, or* e contrario,* look at comfortable bikes (all 
> sorts of qualifications here, but you know what I mean) as low cost 
> items.
>
> #2: If selling on-list, the secret is to wait. I've listed what I 
> thought were bargains only to get deafening silence in response. Then 
> in a 
> month or 2 or 4, a similar item is snapped up. I think in particular 
> of my 
> upgraded Sam Hillborne that went begging for weeks; but later, other 
> SHs 
> were snapped up with alacrity.
>
> The last option is to keep and ride it! Curious: Why are you 
> selling?
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:34 PM Brian Oldham  
> wrote:
>
>> I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I 
>> have not had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this 
>> bicycle 
>> has no market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and 
>> love, 
>> well made and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good 
>> bicycle to 
>> have it is not a good one to sell.   
>>
>> I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  
>> It has treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, 
>> Nitto racks 

Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Eric Floden]

I check pinkbike.com regularly for Rivs. Currently there is a Roadini for
$US1200

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 11:25, Anthony Coffin  wrote:

> I'm not sure where all you have listed it but there are a lot more people
> shopping for Rivendells than just the folks on this forum. I would try
> other bike forums as well as ebay. I know ebay takes a big cut, but it's
> also the biggest audience and Rivendells don't usually last a long time.
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Anthony Coffin]

I'm not sure where all you have listed it but there are a lot more people
shopping for Rivendells than just the folks on this forum. I would try
other bike forums as well as ebay. I know ebay takes a big cut, but it's
also the biggest audience and Rivendells don't usually last a long time.

Selling a high end/relatively expensive can often take a lot of patience,
especially when your talking about a niche market. Also, if you want to get
the most out of your investment it's usually more profitable to part
everything out. There are a lot of us that enjoy the hunt for parts and
building up a bike just the way we want it to be. However you want to sell
it the key is patience and reaching the broadest market within your
boundaries of reason.

I hope that's helpful, and good luck with your sale. There are buyers out
there for Clems, I promise.

Anthony
Saint Louis

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 9:34 PM Brian Oldham 
wrote:

> I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I have not
> had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this bicycle has no
> market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and love, well made
> and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good bicycle to have it is
> not a good one to sell.
>
> I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  It has
> treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto racks in
> front and back, a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick stand, and a
> generator hub and light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking all the
> upgrades for free would be attractive.
>
> So what suggestions do you have for finding new homes for your used
> Rivendells"  Mine was new last October (2020).  Craigslist only works with
> an 80% discount on the purchase replacement value,  same with local ads.
> Pro's Closet is looking for fancy road bikes so not an option for this
> transaction.  I've considered returning it to Rivendell so they could find
> someone who would appreciate it.  I know I can give it to a bike collective
> or charity and that might be the best option.  I have done that in the
> past. Ive given bicycles to Bike East Bay and Silicon Valley Bike
> Coalition.  Trying to show repect to the bicycle and the waiting time to
> find one of these.
>
> Just wondering.
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Ride for Fun]

I tried that for my Sam, Will would not do it so I found one of the
previous production year at a shop.  And to think how many Rivendells I
have purchased.  Good luck, glad it worked out.  Not sure I would have
posted it though.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:16 PM JAS  wrote:

> I called Rivendell today, Grant answered the phone and I expressed my
> sincere desire to get a Platypus and my worry that I’d miss out.  I asked
> how I could make sure I got one and then this happened.he took my
> credit card info right then and there for a frame of the size and color I
> want.  YES!  Blue/green (sea foam green?), size 55cm.  Happy birthday to
> me!  I won’t be riding it until long after my birthday, but it will always
> be my birthday bike.
>
> So if you’re like me and can’t wait to get this process rolling, make the
> call with your credit card in hand.  Grant said it helps to demonstrate
> some bit of angst about making sure to get a frame (which apparently I did
> in my opening comments to him).  You don’t have to beg, just show your
> interest.  Good luck!
>
> #RivSisters Forever!
> —Joyce
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 2:22:43 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>
>>
>> I guess this is the modern version of what I experienced after going all
>> in for an orange Rambouillet. I had a hard date (May 5, 2002) in Yorktown,
>> VA where I was meeting three others to ride across the country. We'd
>> planned for about a year and as I got serious, so did my concern for the
>> fit of my Bridgestone RB--1 and days of 8-12 hour riding.
>>
>> I sought Grant's insight for fit advice and  possibly a custom but the
>> Riv queue was longer. than my calendar. He mentioned a bike about to join
>> to the Atlantis as a stock model with some French audax design inspiration
>> that addressed some of my fit issues and sounded right for my needs. I
>> bought in on a complete build and began the test of patience as I called
>> for updates and learned about bare frame shipments, checking and prepping
>> for paint, the whole finishing process in bulk and arrival of such finished
>> stock to a small business who manually preps and builds bikes to then ship
>> to paid customers.
>>
>> This up front example of a new model information frees up the phones and
>> the pandemic constrained personnel doing the work at Rivendell. I can't
>> imagine the amount of effort necessary to keep all of us up to date,
>> mindfully informed and satisfied with the clarity that they insist upon for
>> everything else they are doing. I would think that each inquiring phone
>> call would be almost as detail requisite as each actual sale and the energy
>> that could be building bikes and physically moving endeavors forward would
>> pale to their interest in meeting they concerned customers' questions about
>> incoming goods.
>>
>> I had great assistance from Grant et al when I chose my Rambouillet, I
>> think I used an inordinate amount of their time following up on the process
>> prior to it shipping to me painted, prepped and ready to ride. I think this
>> has been a nice information forward process throughout.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 3:43:45 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> You know what I want to know? What happens next.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that with this Platypus we have been let in on the secret
>>> workings of things at Rivendell. I haven’t been around as long as many of
>>> you, but I don’t remember being let behind the scenes like we have been
>>> with this model.
>>>
>>> We started with the drawings of the Anniversary Mixte, which then
>>> morphed into a “fancy Cheviot” which then became the Platypus. It was an
>>> interesting evolution, and fun to speculate over. Until this bike, I didn’t
>>> know what color tubes were, but Will is holding them in the sunlight in
>>> Blilver and Limolive on the product page and now we know how Rivendell
>>> judges color samples. We were provided the tracking for the cargo ship, the
>>> Unicorn, so we could watch the bikes’ arrival to American shores. And...now
>>> what happens next?
>>>
>>> The ship is “at anchor” near LA. Does it have to sit out in the harbor
>>> until it takes its turn at the dock? Who fetches the cargo? UPS? How long
>>> does it take for cargo to make its way to Walnut Creek? And when it
>>> arrives, how soon can it be sorted and sent out to PlatyPeople?
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2021, at 9:16 AM, Ride for Fun  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> From Taiwan to Japan is a lot faster & easier than to the US.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 1:08 AM Michael Baquerizo 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 As a product person - it's wild that Blue Lug is getting these frames
 and releasing them into the wild before Riv has a chance to. I know how
 laissez faire Grant is and all, but still wild.



 On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 1:27:50 PM UTC-5 BrettG wrote:

> New bluelug shop tour video shows the 

[RBW] Re: Cream headtube color

[phoenix]

I imagine that if you’re having the frameset professionally painted they 
could match that color pretty closely. If going that route, have a few 
sample images available to review with them so that both you and the 
painter are on the same page. I have taken screenshots of colors I liked 
and then created a PDF with them all in there and emailed them to my 
builder and painter. Calibration on computers can be a little different 
from screen to screen, but at least you’ll be in the ballpark. Just my $0.02

On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 3:49:35 PM UTC-8 J Schwartz wrote:

> Greetings
> Does anyone know the color or a close enough match to the official cream 
> head tube color Riv uses?  Having my SH frame worked on and subsequently 
> painted and trying to figure that piece out.
> Thank you
> JS
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[RBW] FS - Phil "CHP" pedals / 47cm and 54cm 1984 Expeditions

[Joe in the Pay Area]

I have a pair of working Phil Wood platform "CHP" pedals for sale. $120, 
which does not include s No issues with them except me loving my 
Specialized Touring pedals more.

Also for sale are 2 1984 Specialized Expeditions, 47 and 54cm. Downtube 
shifter braze-ons = the 1984 model year.

In very, very good shape (otherwise I would not have bought them). I'm 
thinking ~ $350 / bike, which would be just the frame, fork, stem and 
handlebars. If you would like more of the original equipment...well... let 
the haggling' begin. I bought these for parts to maintain my 60cm '84 as 
close to original as possible, so if you want some of the "goodies," we 
need to talk.

Lugged steel frames, relaxed touring geometries, plenty of room for 700x35 
Paselas and fenders...sort of "Rivendell before Rivendell..." If I had to 
choose between my '84 Expedition and my orange Atlantis, I'd have a 
conundrum on my hands.

Downhills and tailwinds to y'all.

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[RBW] WTB: Simworks Fenders - Smooth 62 - in Portland, OR

[Jeffrey S]

Looking for a pair of silver/chrome Simworks Smooth 62 Fenders. I assume 
shipping would be pricey, but I am in Portland, OR if there is anyone 
nearby with a set you'd like to get rid of! Or something very similar. 
Interested in Honjo quality fenders. Currently running Soma 48mm Shikoros. 
Thanks!


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 57cm Bleriot and 52cm Clem

[Ryan Nute]

Bleriot is moving to Eugene OR, thanks for the interest!

Ryan

On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 9:50:54 AM UTC-8 Ryan Nute wrote:

> That looks amazing!  Unfortunately I'm not much of a traveler so this bike 
> is kinda wasted on me.
>
> Ryan
>
> --
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Brendan Willard in SF 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2021 7:27 AM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: FS: 57cm Bleriot and 52cm Clem 
>  
> If I didn't already have a Protovelo and a Travelers Check, I would 
> absolutely buy that Bleriot- might still. 
>
> Here's some S coupled travel inspiration.  One of my best days ever on a 
> bike, riding from Menaggio, Lake Como to Varese on the Travelers Check (the 
> bike that has paid for itself in airline fees many times over).  This is a 
> tunnel on the bike path at Lake Lugano just before I crossed into 
> Switzerland:
> [image: Screen Shot 2021-02-24 at 7.20.21 AM.png]
>
> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:06:25 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> That Bleriot is super attractive for somebody with the good taste and 
> use-case to appreciate it.  If we could just spray some Metal-grow spray at 
> it so it grows into a 59cm and I'd be on it!   
>
> Whoever buys it, I hope they commit to photo-document all the great places 
> they take it in 2022 when travel is a thing again.  Of all the places I've 
> ever travelled, all of them would have been that much better if I had a 
> do-anything road bike stashed in the closet just in case.  When I go to 
> finally do a travel build, it's going to end up looking alot like this 
> bike, but it'll cost 3x as much.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 10:08:58 PM UTC-8 rcn...@hotmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone: These are two great bikes but I have too many (and am 
> considering an expensive musical instrument, so looking for dough under the 
> couch cushions).  Let me know if you're interested in either of these.  I 
> thought I'd spare you the description text by linking the CL ads below.  
> Prices exclusive of Shipbikes.com shipping or you can pick up near Seattle. 
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ryan
>
> 1.  Bleriot: $1600
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-bleriot-protovelo/7281402581.html
>
> 2.  Clem Smith Jr.: $1250
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-52cm-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7281407780.html
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Philip Barrett]

Dallas, TX - so buying long distance - would love to see some more pics of 
the bike as she is built up now.
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 12:49:06 PM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> It needs a new home and you are Rivendell qualified. Where are you located 
> ?  I’m in San Carlos. On the Peninsula south of San Francisco. Can you come 
> get a test ride?  
>
> Brian Oldham. 
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 09:23 Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
>> Not sure how else to say this? I'm interested in buying your bike, if 
>> you're still interested in selling.
>>
>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:21:10 AM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. I’m not on any social media and wonder if that’s bad. 
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 09:19 Philip Barrett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> I'm not on Facebook either but sent you a text & an email on this bike.



 On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thanks for this. I’m not on Facebook. Maybe this thread is. 
>
> Brian O
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 20:38 Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
 I think you need to update the original FS post with pics of the bike 
>> with Nitto racks, the one you show only has a Pletscher rear. The new 
>> pics 
>> may have the new pedals, too, but be aware that most folks have their 
>> own 
>> favorites and may not be into a Shimano pedal if it's clipless. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-8 
>> brianma...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> This is a good reply and thank you for it. Practical. Patience is 
>>> often a powerful quality. I’m also now able to spell schlemiel. Thanks. 
>>>
>>> Brian O
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 19:57 Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You have a nice bike, but to the average schlemiel browsing want 
 ads it doesn't fall into the high price (anything over ~$300) 
 categories of 
 road bike or fulls suspension mountain bike. It looks (to said 
 schlemiel) 
 as if it should sell for $300. You belong like the rest of us to a 
 very 
 peculiar and small cycling niche that appreciates both quality and 
 comfort. 
 Heat treated handlebars, cork grips, Nitto versus Pletscher racks, 
 Brookses, dynamos, etc. just don't enter into the weltanschauung of 
 most 
 people looking for a "cruiser" bike (and in this case, that's an 
 honorable 
 term). Most people hope to find these at Target.

 Me, I'd try to find other vending outlets. Off the top of my head, 
 if you belong to a church in a high-rent neighborhood, post a FS sign 
 explaining the quality -- "this is not your average $300 cruiser" even 
 if 
 to unpracticed eyes it looks like one. Ditto at work, if you work in 
 an 
 office, or belong to a gymn, or attend wine tasting events; you get 
 the 
 idea. You'll have to find people with means who want a comfortable 
 bike and 
 can also understand as well as afford one that is top quality. 
 Otherwise, 
 again, people will associate quality with cf road bikes and full susp 
 mountain bikes, or* e contrario,* look at comfortable bikes (all 
 sorts of qualifications here, but you know what I mean) as low cost 
 items.

 #2: If selling on-list, the secret is to wait. I've listed what I 
 thought were bargains only to get deafening silence in response. Then 
 in a 
 month or 2 or 4, a similar item is snapped up. I think in particular 
 of my 
 upgraded Sam Hillborne that went begging for weeks; but later, other 
 SHs 
 were snapped up with alacrity.

 The last option is to keep and ride it! Curious: Why are you 
 selling?


 On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:34 PM Brian Oldham  
 wrote:

> I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I 
> have not had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this 
> bicycle 
> has no market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and 
> love, 
> well made and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good 
> bicycle to 
> have it is not a good one to sell.   
>
> I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  
> It has treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto 
> racks 
> in front and back, a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick 
> stand, and 
> a generator hub and light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking 
> all the 
> upgrades for free would be attractive.  
>
> So what 

[RBW] wtb: albastache bars, Nitto RM 017

[Jim S.]

anyone have a pair not in use? I'm in the market.

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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Brian Oldham]

It needs a new home and you are Rivendell qualified. Where are you located
?  I’m in San Carlos. On the Peninsula south of San Francisco. Can you come
get a test ride?

Brian Oldham.


On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 09:23 Philip Barrett 
wrote:

> Not sure how else to say this? I'm interested in buying your bike, if
> you're still interested in selling.
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:21:10 AM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Yes. I’m not on any social media and wonder if that’s bad.
>>
>> B
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 09:19 Philip Barrett 
>> wrote:
>>
> I'm not on Facebook either but sent you a text & an email on this bike.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for this. I’m not on Facebook. Maybe this thread is.

 Brian O

 On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 20:38 Joe Bernard  wrote:

>>> I think you need to update the original FS post with pics of the bike
> with Nitto racks, the one you show only has a Pletscher rear. The new pics
> may have the new pedals, too, but be aware that most folks have their own
> favorites and may not be into a Shimano pedal if it's clipless.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-8
> brianma...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This is a good reply and thank you for it. Practical. Patience is
>> often a powerful quality. I’m also now able to spell schlemiel. Thanks.
>>
>> Brian O
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 19:57 Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You have a nice bike, but to the average schlemiel browsing want ads
>>> it doesn't fall into the high price (anything over ~$300) categories of
>>> road bike or fulls suspension mountain bike. It looks (to said 
>>> schlemiel)
>>> as if it should sell for $300. You belong like the rest of us to a very
>>> peculiar and small cycling niche that appreciates both quality and 
>>> comfort.
>>> Heat treated handlebars, cork grips, Nitto versus Pletscher racks,
>>> Brookses, dynamos, etc. just don't enter into the weltanschauung of most
>>> people looking for a "cruiser" bike (and in this case, that's an 
>>> honorable
>>> term). Most people hope to find these at Target.
>>>
>>> Me, I'd try to find other vending outlets. Off the top of my head,
>>> if you belong to a church in a high-rent neighborhood, post a FS sign
>>> explaining the quality -- "this is not your average $300 cruiser" even 
>>> if
>>> to unpracticed eyes it looks like one. Ditto at work, if you work in an
>>> office, or belong to a gymn, or attend wine tasting events; you get the
>>> idea. You'll have to find people with means who want a comfortable bike 
>>> and
>>> can also understand as well as afford one that is top quality. 
>>> Otherwise,
>>> again, people will associate quality with cf road bikes and full susp
>>> mountain bikes, or* e contrario,* look at comfortable bikes (all
>>> sorts of qualifications here, but you know what I mean) as low cost 
>>> items.
>>>
>>> #2: If selling on-list, the secret is to wait. I've listed what I
>>> thought were bargains only to get deafening silence in response. Then 
>>> in a
>>> month or 2 or 4, a similar item is snapped up. I think in particular of 
>>> my
>>> upgraded Sam Hillborne that went begging for weeks; but later, other SHs
>>> were snapped up with alacrity.
>>>
>>> The last option is to keep and ride it! Curious: Why are you selling?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:34 PM Brian Oldham 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I
 have not had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this 
 bicycle
 has no market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and love,
 well made and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good 
 bicycle to
 have it is not a good one to sell.

 I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  It
 has treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto 
 racks in
 front and back, a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick stand, 
 and a
 generator hub and light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking all 
 the
 upgrades for free would be attractive.

 So what suggestions do you have for finding new homes for your used
 Rivendells"  Mine was new last October (2020).  Craigslist only works 
 with
 an 80% discount on the purchase replacement value,  same with local 
 ads.
 Pro's Closet is looking for fancy road bikes so not an option for this
 transaction.  I've considered returning it to Rivendell so they could 
 find
 someone who would appreciate 

Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross and Choco riders

[Tom Wyland]

Something to try that made my Albatross handlebars more comfortable:  tilt 
down the bars a bit so the grips are slightly lower than the hoops of the 
bar.

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:25:11 PM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> Is your neck pain from extending your neck? Did you have similar pain when 
> using the drop bars? Other pains/problems?
>
> Like you, I prefer the forward position of albatross bars-- it feels 
> natural for me, perhaps since I like to lean forward.
>
> If you would like a more upright/cruising position to try, I suggest 
> tilting the saddle nose up a little bit. The up-nose position makes me feel 
> more comfortable sitting upright, and less comfortable leaning forward. 
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
> arlington ma
>
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:11:27 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Stumbled upon this thread and have some questions about my own Albatross 
>> fitting. I converted to these bars from drops. I've yet to fall in love 
>> with them and have problems with neck pain on rides longer than 30 miles. 
>>
>> I'm on a threadless bike and have tried a few stems and configurations 
>> with the same bars, a total of four positions. I have 110mm and 90mm stems, 
>> both with 17º rise. I've tried them with the stems flipped in both 
>> configurations. I should also add that I'm on a 60cm bike that is a little 
>> big for me. I've got less than a fist full of seat post showing. 
>>
>> My current configuration is with the 110mm stem set up to give the most 
>> rise. I find myself, in all configurations, favoring the grip in front of 
>> the brake levers. 
>>
>> Anyone out there have any ideas for improved fit?
>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 4:38:20 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Pete, just got the Choco bars from Blue Lug as Riv is our with no 
>>> known delivery time.  I paid a $27 premium for 2 shipped so not bad.  
>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 12:02:21 PM UTC-5 Pete P wrote:
>>>
 I first tried upright h’bars on my older Atala bike. Just to see if it

 would work for me. I bought Albatross bars and it was a revelation!

 So on my Atlantis I ditched my noodle drop bars and chose the Choco

 bars - just for variety.  I  like both of these. (I won’t go back to 
 those

 now uncomfortable drop bars). 

 They both have their plusses and minuses. The Albatross are wider and

 Go through the doorway with more caution. The Choco bar doesn’t rise

 up as much but the position on the curves is a favorite of mine. You 
 can’t go wrong with either one!


 Pete

 On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 6:33:05 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:

> Thanks Roberta.  
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 4:11 AM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> My understanding is that the *bars* are the same shape and size; 
>> they differ in the stem attachment. I have  the c-m ones because that's 
>> what came with the bike. The norm version is more versatile. 
>>
>> There is a lot of choco-love here   Good luck with your search. 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:09:55 PM UTC-5, Joel S wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Roberta.  It is the Choco Norm I am thinking about. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross and Choco riders

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric, I mounted my Albatross bars on a Nitto NP 12cm stem (measures 12.5cm) 
with the stem at saddle height and bars angled down to be at a 90 degree 
angle to my arms. This angle keeps my wrists from kinking and places the 
curves of the bars about 5cm above my saddle. My saddle is slammed back on 
a Nitto lugged seat post with 4cm's of setback. This gives me a full hand's 
grip both in front and behind the stem bolt, but my hands always migrate 
forward and my weight isn't resting on my hands due to the seat post's 
setback. 

This works for me, but I don't like riding sitting bolt upright on my bikes.

YMMV,

John

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 10:11:27 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Stumbled upon this thread and have some questions about my own Albatross 
> fitting. I converted to these bars from drops. I've yet to fall in love 
> with them and have problems with neck pain on rides longer than 30 miles. 
>
> I'm on a threadless bike and have tried a few stems and configurations 
> with the same bars, a total of four positions. I have 110mm and 90mm stems, 
> both with 17º rise. I've tried them with the stems flipped in both 
> configurations. I should also add that I'm on a 60cm bike that is a little 
> big for me. I've got less than a fist full of seat post showing. 
>
> My current configuration is with the 110mm stem set up to give the most 
> rise. I find myself, in all configurations, favoring the grip in front of 
> the brake levers. 
>
> Anyone out there have any ideas for improved fit?
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 4:38:20 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks Pete, just got the Choco bars from Blue Lug as Riv is our with no 
>> known delivery time.  I paid a $27 premium for 2 shipped so not bad.  
>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 12:02:21 PM UTC-5 Pete P wrote:
>>
>>> I first tried upright h’bars on my older Atala bike. Just to see if it
>>>
>>> would work for me. I bought Albatross bars and it was a revelation!
>>>
>>> So on my Atlantis I ditched my noodle drop bars and chose the Choco
>>>
>>> bars - just for variety.  I  like both of these. (I won’t go back to 
>>> those
>>>
>>> now uncomfortable drop bars). 
>>>
>>> They both have their plusses and minuses. The Albatross are wider and
>>>
>>> Go through the doorway with more caution. The Choco bar doesn’t rise
>>>
>>> up as much but the position on the curves is a favorite of mine. You 
>>> can’t go wrong with either one!
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 6:33:05 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Roberta.  

 On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 4:11 AM Roberta  wrote:

> My understanding is that the *bars* are the same shape and size; they 
> differ in the stem attachment. I have  the c-m ones because that's what 
> came with the bike. The norm version is more versatile. 
>
> There is a lot of choco-love here   Good luck with your search. 
>
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:09:55 PM UTC-5, Joel S wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Roberta.  It is the Choco Norm I am thinking about. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross and Choco riders

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Eric,
Is your neck pain from extending your neck? Did you have similar pain when 
using the drop bars? Other pains/problems?

Like you, I prefer the forward position of albatross bars-- it feels 
natural for me, perhaps since I like to lean forward.

If you would like a more upright/cruising position to try, I suggest 
tilting the saddle nose up a little bit. The up-nose position makes me feel 
more comfortable sitting upright, and less comfortable leaning forward. 

Good luck!
shoji
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On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:11:27 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Stumbled upon this thread and have some questions about my own Albatross 
> fitting. I converted to these bars from drops. I've yet to fall in love 
> with them and have problems with neck pain on rides longer than 30 miles. 
>
> I'm on a threadless bike and have tried a few stems and configurations 
> with the same bars, a total of four positions. I have 110mm and 90mm stems, 
> both with 17º rise. I've tried them with the stems flipped in both 
> configurations. I should also add that I'm on a 60cm bike that is a little 
> big for me. I've got less than a fist full of seat post showing. 
>
> My current configuration is with the 110mm stem set up to give the most 
> rise. I find myself, in all configurations, favoring the grip in front of 
> the brake levers. 
>
> Anyone out there have any ideas for improved fit?
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 4:38:20 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks Pete, just got the Choco bars from Blue Lug as Riv is our with no 
>> known delivery time.  I paid a $27 premium for 2 shipped so not bad.  
>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 12:02:21 PM UTC-5 Pete P wrote:
>>
>>> I first tried upright h’bars on my older Atala bike. Just to see if it
>>>
>>> would work for me. I bought Albatross bars and it was a revelation!
>>>
>>> So on my Atlantis I ditched my noodle drop bars and chose the Choco
>>>
>>> bars - just for variety.  I  like both of these. (I won’t go back to 
>>> those
>>>
>>> now uncomfortable drop bars). 
>>>
>>> They both have their plusses and minuses. The Albatross are wider and
>>>
>>> Go through the doorway with more caution. The Choco bar doesn’t rise
>>>
>>> up as much but the position on the curves is a favorite of mine. You 
>>> can’t go wrong with either one!
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 6:33:05 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Roberta.  

 On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 4:11 AM Roberta  wrote:

> My understanding is that the *bars* are the same shape and size; they 
> differ in the stem attachment. I have  the c-m ones because that's what 
> came with the bike. The norm version is more versatile. 
>
> There is a lot of choco-love here   Good luck with your search. 
>
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:09:55 PM UTC-5, Joel S wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Roberta.  It is the Choco Norm I am thinking about. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L for Sale

[Eric Marth]

Apologies for steering things off topic but Kai has me interested in seeing 
Roberta's mustard J'Appaloosa. Can anyone point me to pictures?

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:20:48 AM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> There's no finer Joe Appaloosa anywhere, folks on the hunt should get this 
> before Roberta comes to her senses and holds it tight.
> Wishing I could buy it for the parts alone. Darn 650b!
> -Kai
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:32:43 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Brian, my mustard 51 cm Joe A will be on the market in a few days.   PM 
>> me if interested. Full bike only at this time. 
>>
>> Roberta in Philadelphia, PA
>>
>> On Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 10:10:44 PM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> The business model for Rivendell is to focus on one frame group at a 
>>> time.  So it takes a couple of months to work through a container or so of 
>>> frames.  They are having the Sam Hillborne frame now so that is going to 
>>> generate the excitement for their work capacity.  It could easily be next 
>>> year before the Clem Smith Junior (H) and (L).  
>>>
>>> The variety of bicycle types and models is cool but a person who sees a 
>>> bike like my Clem Smith Jr. might have to wait a long time to find one for 
>>> themselves.  I wanted a Joe Appaloosa months ago and have not been able to 
>>> get one.
>>>
>>> That is why the secondary market is important.  When we pass our bikes 
>>> around among Rivendellers we make it possible to have or try more than one 
>>> Bicycle.
>>>
>>> This bike is really beautiful in person.  Grant says it will last a 
>>> lifetime and it is less than a year old now.
>>>
>>> Brian Oldham
>>> 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:02 AM Mark Roland  wrote:
>>>
 Nice build on one of the (rightly) most sought after models in all of 
 Rivendell. This bike with lights and fenders and comfy seat can do double 
 duty as bike that can take you just about anywhere and as your second car 
 (but way less expensive and waaay more fun.) I don't think the Clem Ls are 
 due again for some time?

 On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi. 
>
> 52 frame size
>
> Brian O
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 05:58 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
> thesix...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Frame size?
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:23:07 AM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, 
>>> for I bought a Clem Smith Jr. last September and have ridden and 
>>> enjoyed it but now it is time to sell.  This bike has been upgraded as 
>>> follows"
>>>
>>> generator hub and light
>>>
>>> better Shimano pedals
>>>
>>> better seat  Brooks B67S
>>>
>>> rivendell handle bar treatment,  shellacked bar tape and cork grips
>>>
>>> The bicycle is in very good shape 
>>>
>>> I paid $1,600 for a complete bike and the upgrades added to the cost.
>>>
>>> Asking price is $1,500 or you have a different offer.
>>>
>>> Brian Oldham
>>> 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>
>>>
>>> San Carlos, Ca. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Philip Barrett]

I’m now worried that my messages are not posting on the group feed? Maybe 
ending up in some internet dungeon somewhere?



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Date: Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:29 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used 
value?
Just a few thoughts, in no particular order...  Patience is a virtue selling 
anything like this.  If you have time, just update your sales post(s) and wait. 
 Fancy-ish parts are always worth the most separated from the bike.  If you 
have the original parts, putting them back on and selling off the upgrades will 
almost certainly net you the most moolah.  I sold a nicely built ~58cm Saluki 
(predecessor to the AHH, I think) on this list years ago for something like 
$1500 and purchased a Joe Appa with a dyno hub but no saddle a year or so ago 
for about the same.  My $0.02 would be to return it to stock configuration if 
you can and sell off the upgraded parts.  Set the price at 3/4 or so of new and 
I bet it eventually sells...

Doug

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:34 PM Brian Oldham 
mailto:brianmarkold...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I have not had 
one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this bicycle has no market 
value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and love, well made and 
superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good bicycle to have it is not a 
good one to sell.

I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  It has treated 
handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto racks in front and back, 
a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick stand, and a generator hub and 
light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking all the upgrades for free would 
be attractive.

So what suggestions do you have for finding new homes for your used Rivendells" 
 Mine was new last October (2020).  Craigslist only works with an 80% discount 
on the purchase replacement value,  same with local ads.  Pro's Closet is 
looking for fancy road bikes so not an option for this transaction.  I've 
considered returning it to Rivendell so they could find someone who would 
appreciate it.  I know I can give it to a bike collective or charity and that 
might be the best option.  I have done that in the past. Ive given bicycles to 
Bike East Bay and Silicon Valley Bike Coalition.  Trying to show repect to the 
bicycle and the waiting time to find one of these.

Just wondering.
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Just a few thoughts, in no particular order...  Patience is a virtue
selling anything like this.  If you have time, just update your sales
post(s) and wait.  Fancy-ish parts are always worth the most separated from
the bike.  If you have the original parts, putting them back on and selling
off the upgrades will almost certainly net you the most moolah.  I sold a
nicely built ~58cm Saluki (predecessor to the AHH, I think) on this list
years ago for something like $1500 and purchased a Joe Appa with a dyno hub
but no saddle a year or so ago for about the same.  My $0.02 would be to
return it to stock configuration if you can and sell off the upgraded
parts.  Set the price at 3/4 or so of new and I bet it eventually sells...

Doug

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:34 PM Brian Oldham 
wrote:

> I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I have not
> had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this bicycle has no
> market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and love, well made
> and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good bicycle to have it is
> not a good one to sell.
>
> I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  It has
> treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto racks in
> front and back, a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick stand, and a
> generator hub and light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking all the
> upgrades for free would be attractive.
>
> So what suggestions do you have for finding new homes for your used
> Rivendells"  Mine was new last October (2020).  Craigslist only works with
> an 80% discount on the purchase replacement value,  same with local ads.
> Pro's Closet is looking for fancy road bikes so not an option for this
> transaction.  I've considered returning it to Rivendell so they could find
> someone who would appreciate it.  I know I can give it to a bike collective
> or charity and that might be the best option.  I have done that in the
> past. Ive given bicycles to Bike East Bay and Silicon Valley Bike
> Coalition.  Trying to show repect to the bicycle and the waiting time to
> find one of these.
>
> Just wondering.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Philip Barrett]

Not sure how else to say this? I'm interested in buying your bike, if 
you're still interested in selling.

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:21:10 AM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Yes. I’m not on any social media and wonder if that’s bad. 
>
> B
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 09:19 Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
>> I'm not on Facebook either but sent you a text & an email on this bike.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for this. I’m not on Facebook. Maybe this thread is. 
>>>
>>> Brian O
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 20:38 Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>> I think you need to update the original FS post with pics of the bike 
 with Nitto racks, the one you show only has a Pletscher rear. The new pics 
 may have the new pedals, too, but be aware that most folks have their own 
 favorites and may not be into a Shimano pedal if it's clipless. 

 Joe Bernard

 On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-8 brianma...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> This is a good reply and thank you for it. Practical. Patience is 
> often a powerful quality. I’m also now able to spell schlemiel. Thanks. 
>
> Brian O
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 19:57 Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> You have a nice bike, but to the average schlemiel browsing want ads 
>> it doesn't fall into the high price (anything over ~$300) categories of 
>> road bike or fulls suspension mountain bike. It looks (to said 
>> schlemiel) 
>> as if it should sell for $300. You belong like the rest of us to a very 
>> peculiar and small cycling niche that appreciates both quality and 
>> comfort. 
>> Heat treated handlebars, cork grips, Nitto versus Pletscher racks, 
>> Brookses, dynamos, etc. just don't enter into the weltanschauung of most 
>> people looking for a "cruiser" bike (and in this case, that's an 
>> honorable 
>> term). Most people hope to find these at Target.
>>
>> Me, I'd try to find other vending outlets. Off the top of my head, if 
>> you belong to a church in a high-rent neighborhood, post a FS sign 
>> explaining the quality -- "this is not your average $300 cruiser" even 
>> if 
>> to unpracticed eyes it looks like one. Ditto at work, if you work in an 
>> office, or belong to a gymn, or attend wine tasting events; you get the 
>> idea. You'll have to find people with means who want a comfortable bike 
>> and 
>> can also understand as well as afford one that is top quality. 
>> Otherwise, 
>> again, people will associate quality with cf road bikes and full susp 
>> mountain bikes, or* e contrario,* look at comfortable bikes (all 
>> sorts of qualifications here, but you know what I mean) as low cost 
>> items.
>>
>> #2: If selling on-list, the secret is to wait. I've listed what I 
>> thought were bargains only to get deafening silence in response. Then in 
>> a 
>> month or 2 or 4, a similar item is snapped up. I think in particular of 
>> my 
>> upgraded Sam Hillborne that went begging for weeks; but later, other SHs 
>> were snapped up with alacrity.
>>
>> The last option is to keep and ride it! Curious: Why are you selling?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:34 PM Brian Oldham  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I 
>>> have not had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this 
>>> bicycle 
>>> has no market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and love, 
>>> well made and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good bicycle 
>>> to 
>>> have it is not a good one to sell.   
>>>
>>> I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  It 
>>> has treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto 
>>> racks in 
>>> front and back, a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick stand, 
>>> and a 
>>> generator hub and light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking all 
>>> the 
>>> upgrades for free would be attractive.  
>>>
>>> So what suggestions do you have for finding new homes for your used 
>>> Rivendells"  Mine was new last October (2020).  Craigslist only works 
>>> with 
>>> an 80% discount on the purchase replacement value,  same with local 
>>> ads.  
>>> Pro's Closet is looking for fancy road bikes so not an option for this 
>>> transaction.  I've considered returning it to Rivendell so they could 
>>> find 
>>> someone who would appreciate it.  I know I can give it to a bike 
>>> collective 
>>> or charity and that might be the best option.  I have done that in the 
>>> past. Ive given bicycles to Bike East Bay and Silicon Valley Bike 
>>> Coalition.  Trying to show repect to the bicycle and the waiting time 
>>> to 

Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Brian Oldham]

Yes. I’m not on any social media and wonder if that’s bad.

B

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 09:19 Philip Barrett 
wrote:

> I'm not on Facebook either but sent you a text & an email on this bike.
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for this. I’m not on Facebook. Maybe this thread is.
>>
>> Brian O
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 20:38 Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
> I think you need to update the original FS post with pics of the bike with
>>> Nitto racks, the one you show only has a Pletscher rear. The new pics may
>>> have the new pedals, too, but be aware that most folks have their own
>>> favorites and may not be into a Shimano pedal if it's clipless.
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-8 brianma...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is a good reply and thank you for it. Practical. Patience is often
 a powerful quality. I’m also now able to spell schlemiel. Thanks.

 Brian O

 On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 19:57 Patrick Moore  wrote:

> You have a nice bike, but to the average schlemiel browsing want ads
> it doesn't fall into the high price (anything over ~$300) categories of
> road bike or fulls suspension mountain bike. It looks (to said schlemiel)
> as if it should sell for $300. You belong like the rest of us to a very
> peculiar and small cycling niche that appreciates both quality and 
> comfort.
> Heat treated handlebars, cork grips, Nitto versus Pletscher racks,
> Brookses, dynamos, etc. just don't enter into the weltanschauung of most
> people looking for a "cruiser" bike (and in this case, that's an honorable
> term). Most people hope to find these at Target.
>
> Me, I'd try to find other vending outlets. Off the top of my head, if
> you belong to a church in a high-rent neighborhood, post a FS sign
> explaining the quality -- "this is not your average $300 cruiser" even if
> to unpracticed eyes it looks like one. Ditto at work, if you work in an
> office, or belong to a gymn, or attend wine tasting events; you get the
> idea. You'll have to find people with means who want a comfortable bike 
> and
> can also understand as well as afford one that is top quality. Otherwise,
> again, people will associate quality with cf road bikes and full susp
> mountain bikes, or* e contrario,* look at comfortable bikes (all
> sorts of qualifications here, but you know what I mean) as low cost items.
>
> #2: If selling on-list, the secret is to wait. I've listed what I
> thought were bargains only to get deafening silence in response. Then in a
> month or 2 or 4, a similar item is snapped up. I think in particular of my
> upgraded Sam Hillborne that went begging for weeks; but later, other SHs
> were snapped up with alacrity.
>
> The last option is to keep and ride it! Curious: Why are you selling?
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:34 PM Brian Oldham 
> wrote:
>
>> I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I
>> have not had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this bicycle
>> has no market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and love,
>> well made and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good bicycle 
>> to
>> have it is not a good one to sell.
>>
>> I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  It
>> has treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto racks 
>> in
>> front and back, a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick stand, and 
>> a
>> generator hub and light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking all the
>> upgrades for free would be attractive.
>>
>> So what suggestions do you have for finding new homes for your used
>> Rivendells"  Mine was new last October (2020).  Craigslist only works 
>> with
>> an 80% discount on the purchase replacement value,  same with local ads.
>> Pro's Closet is looking for fancy road bikes so not an option for this
>> transaction.  I've considered returning it to Rivendell so they could 
>> find
>> someone who would appreciate it.  I know I can give it to a bike 
>> collective
>> or charity and that might be the best option.  I have done that in the
>> past. Ive given bicycles to Bike East Bay and Silicon Valley Bike
>> Coalition.  Trying to show repect to the bicycle and the waiting time to
>> find one of these.
>>
>> Just wondering.
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Philip Barrett]

I'm not on Facebook either but sent you a text & an email on this bike.



On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-6 brianma...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Thanks for this. I’m not on Facebook. Maybe this thread is. 
>
> Brian O
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 20:38 Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I think you need to update the original FS post with pics of the bike 
>> with Nitto racks, the one you show only has a Pletscher rear. The new pics 
>> may have the new pedals, too, but be aware that most folks have their own 
>> favorites and may not be into a Shimano pedal if it's clipless. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-8 brianma...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is a good reply and thank you for it. Practical. Patience is often 
>>> a powerful quality. I’m also now able to spell schlemiel. Thanks. 
>>>
>>> Brian O
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 19:57 Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 You have a nice bike, but to the average schlemiel browsing want ads it 
 doesn't fall into the high price (anything over ~$300) categories of road 
 bike or fulls suspension mountain bike. It looks (to said schlemiel) as if 
 it should sell for $300. You belong like the rest of us to a very peculiar 
 and small cycling niche that appreciates both quality and comfort. Heat 
 treated handlebars, cork grips, Nitto versus Pletscher racks, Brookses, 
 dynamos, etc. just don't enter into the weltanschauung of most people 
 looking for a "cruiser" bike (and in this case, that's an honorable term). 
 Most people hope to find these at Target.

 Me, I'd try to find other vending outlets. Off the top of my head, if 
 you belong to a church in a high-rent neighborhood, post a FS sign 
 explaining the quality -- "this is not your average $300 cruiser" even if 
 to unpracticed eyes it looks like one. Ditto at work, if you work in an 
 office, or belong to a gymn, or attend wine tasting events; you get the 
 idea. You'll have to find people with means who want a comfortable bike 
 and 
 can also understand as well as afford one that is top quality. Otherwise, 
 again, people will associate quality with cf road bikes and full susp 
 mountain bikes, or* e contrario,* look at comfortable bikes (all sorts 
 of qualifications here, but you know what I mean) as low cost items.

 #2: If selling on-list, the secret is to wait. I've listed what I 
 thought were bargains only to get deafening silence in response. Then in a 
 month or 2 or 4, a similar item is snapped up. I think in particular of my 
 upgraded Sam Hillborne that went begging for weeks; but later, other SHs 
 were snapped up with alacrity.

 The last option is to keep and ride it! Curious: Why are you selling?


 On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:34 PM Brian Oldham  
 wrote:

> I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I have 
> not had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this bicycle has 
> no 
> market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and love, well 
> made 
> and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good bicycle to have it 
> is 
> not a good one to sell.   
>
> I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  It 
> has treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto racks 
> in 
> front and back, a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick stand, and 
> a 
> generator hub and light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking all the 
> upgrades for free would be attractive.  
>
> So what suggestions do you have for finding new homes for your used 
> Rivendells"  Mine was new last October (2020).  Craigslist only works 
> with 
> an 80% discount on the purchase replacement value,  same with local ads.  
> Pro's Closet is looking for fancy road bikes so not an option for this 
> transaction.  I've considered returning it to Rivendell so they could 
> find 
> someone who would appreciate it.  I know I can give it to a bike 
> collective 
> or charity and that might be the best option.  I have done that in the 
> past. Ive given bicycles to Bike East Bay and Silicon Valley Bike 
> Coalition.  Trying to show repect to the bicycle and the waiting time to 
> find one of these.
>
> Just wondering.
>
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Brian Oldham]

Thanks for this. I’m not on Facebook. Maybe this thread is.

Brian O

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 20:38 Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I think you need to update the original FS post with pics of the bike with
> Nitto racks, the one you show only has a Pletscher rear. The new pics may
> have the new pedals, too, but be aware that most folks have their own
> favorites and may not be into a Shimano pedal if it's clipless.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-8 brianma...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> This is a good reply and thank you for it. Practical. Patience is often a
>> powerful quality. I’m also now able to spell schlemiel. Thanks.
>>
>> Brian O
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 19:57 Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> You have a nice bike, but to the average schlemiel browsing want ads it
>>> doesn't fall into the high price (anything over ~$300) categories of road
>>> bike or fulls suspension mountain bike. It looks (to said schlemiel) as if
>>> it should sell for $300. You belong like the rest of us to a very peculiar
>>> and small cycling niche that appreciates both quality and comfort. Heat
>>> treated handlebars, cork grips, Nitto versus Pletscher racks, Brookses,
>>> dynamos, etc. just don't enter into the weltanschauung of most people
>>> looking for a "cruiser" bike (and in this case, that's an honorable term).
>>> Most people hope to find these at Target.
>>>
>>> Me, I'd try to find other vending outlets. Off the top of my head, if
>>> you belong to a church in a high-rent neighborhood, post a FS sign
>>> explaining the quality -- "this is not your average $300 cruiser" even if
>>> to unpracticed eyes it looks like one. Ditto at work, if you work in an
>>> office, or belong to a gymn, or attend wine tasting events; you get the
>>> idea. You'll have to find people with means who want a comfortable bike and
>>> can also understand as well as afford one that is top quality. Otherwise,
>>> again, people will associate quality with cf road bikes and full susp
>>> mountain bikes, or* e contrario,* look at comfortable bikes (all sorts
>>> of qualifications here, but you know what I mean) as low cost items.
>>>
>>> #2: If selling on-list, the secret is to wait. I've listed what I
>>> thought were bargains only to get deafening silence in response. Then in a
>>> month or 2 or 4, a similar item is snapped up. I think in particular of my
>>> upgraded Sam Hillborne that went begging for weeks; but later, other SHs
>>> were snapped up with alacrity.
>>>
>>> The last option is to keep and ride it! Curious: Why are you selling?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:34 PM Brian Oldham 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I have
 not had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this bicycle has no
 market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and love, well made
 and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good bicycle to have it is
 not a good one to sell.

 I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  It has
 treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto racks in
 front and back, a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick stand, and a
 generator hub and light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking all the
 upgrades for free would be attractive.

 So what suggestions do you have for finding new homes for your used
 Rivendells"  Mine was new last October (2020).  Craigslist only works with
 an 80% discount on the purchase replacement value,  same with local ads.
 Pro's Closet is looking for fancy road bikes so not an option for this
 transaction.  I've considered returning it to Rivendell so they could find
 someone who would appreciate it.  I know I can give it to a bike collective
 or charity and that might be the best option.  I have done that in the
 past. Ive given bicycles to Bike East Bay and Silicon Valley Bike
 Coalition.  Trying to show repect to the bicycle and the waiting time to
 find one of these.

 Just wondering.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Lyman Labry]

Hi,  What size?  More photos would be great.  Thanks
Lyman ATX


On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 10:33 AM Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't speak about my man Craig like that! Craigslist has come through for
> me so many times on good deals - my car, motorcycle, a job, a Spot single
> speed bicycle, my Lambretta (TV175 - holy grail of scooters).
>
> You need a full list of bike parts to get your price. You need to have the
> size listed there. I think Clems and most Rivendells have a high resale
> value.
>
> Also do contact The Pro's Closet. Their office is like a mountain bike
> museum. They have the most amazing collection of vintage mountain bikes and
> have sold Rivendells before. I think they'd be into it.
>
> I am passively looking for a Clem Smith Jr. in the 45 cm / 26 inch size
> for my S.O. on the East Coast.
>
> Good luck! Your bike is nice and it will sell.
>
> Michael
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 10:34:49 PM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I have
>> not had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this bicycle has no
>> market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and love, well made
>> and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good bicycle to have it is
>> not a good one to sell.
>>
>> I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  It has
>> treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto racks in
>> front and back, a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick stand, and a
>> generator hub and light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking all the
>> upgrades for free would be attractive.
>>
>> So what suggestions do you have for finding new homes for your used
>> Rivendells"  Mine was new last October (2020).  Craigslist only works with
>> an 80% discount on the purchase replacement value,  same with local ads.
>> Pro's Closet is looking for fancy road bikes so not an option for this
>> transaction.  I've considered returning it to Rivendell so they could find
>> someone who would appreciate it.  I know I can give it to a bike collective
>> or charity and that might be the best option.  I have done that in the
>> past. Ive given bicycles to Bike East Bay and Silicon Valley Bike
>> Coalition.  Trying to show repect to the bicycle and the waiting time to
>> find one of these.
>>
>> Just wondering.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Michael Morrissey]

Don't speak about my man Craig like that! Craigslist has come through for 
me so many times on good deals - my car, motorcycle, a job, a Spot single 
speed bicycle, my Lambretta (TV175 - holy grail of scooters). 

You need a full list of bike parts to get your price. You need to have the 
size listed there. I think Clems and most Rivendells have a high resale 
value.

Also do contact The Pro's Closet. Their office is like a mountain bike 
museum. They have the most amazing collection of vintage mountain bikes and 
have sold Rivendells before. I think they'd be into it.

I am passively looking for a Clem Smith Jr. in the 45 cm / 26 inch size for 
my S.O. on the East Coast. 

Good luck! Your bike is nice and it will sell.

Michael

On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 10:34:49 PM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I have not 
> had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this bicycle has no 
> market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and love, well made 
> and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good bicycle to have it is 
> not a good one to sell.   
>
> I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  It has 
> treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto racks in 
> front and back, a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick stand, and a 
> generator hub and light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking all the 
> upgrades for free would be attractive.  
>
> So what suggestions do you have for finding new homes for your used 
> Rivendells"  Mine was new last October (2020).  Craigslist only works with 
> an 80% discount on the purchase replacement value,  same with local ads.  
> Pro's Closet is looking for fancy road bikes so not an option for this 
> transaction.  I've considered returning it to Rivendell so they could find 
> someone who would appreciate it.  I know I can give it to a bike collective 
> or charity and that might be the best option.  I have done that in the 
> past. Ive given bicycles to Bike East Bay and Silicon Valley Bike 
> Coalition.  Trying to show repect to the bicycle and the waiting time to 
> find one of these.
>
> Just wondering.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L for Sale

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

There's no finer Joe Appaloosa anywhere, folks on the hunt should get this 
before Roberta comes to her senses and holds it tight.
Wishing I could buy it for the parts alone. Darn 650b!
-Kai

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:32:43 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Brian, my mustard 51 cm Joe A will be on the market in a few days.   PM me 
> if interested. Full bike only at this time. 
>
> Roberta in Philadelphia, PA
>
> On Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 10:10:44 PM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> The business model for Rivendell is to focus on one frame group at a 
>> time.  So it takes a couple of months to work through a container or so of 
>> frames.  They are having the Sam Hillborne frame now so that is going to 
>> generate the excitement for their work capacity.  It could easily be next 
>> year before the Clem Smith Junior (H) and (L).  
>>
>> The variety of bicycle types and models is cool but a person who sees a 
>> bike like my Clem Smith Jr. might have to wait a long time to find one for 
>> themselves.  I wanted a Joe Appaloosa months ago and have not been able to 
>> get one.
>>
>> That is why the secondary market is important.  When we pass our bikes 
>> around among Rivendellers we make it possible to have or try more than one 
>> Bicycle.
>>
>> This bike is really beautiful in person.  Grant says it will last a 
>> lifetime and it is less than a year old now.
>>
>> Brian Oldham
>> 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:02 AM Mark Roland  wrote:
>>
>>> Nice build on one of the (rightly) most sought after models in all of 
>>> Rivendell. This bike with lights and fenders and comfy seat can do double 
>>> duty as bike that can take you just about anywhere and as your second car 
>>> (but way less expensive and waaay more fun.) I don't think the Clem Ls are 
>>> due again for some time?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi. 

 52 frame size

 Brian O

 On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 05:58 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
 thesix...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Frame size?
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:23:07 AM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>> for I bought a Clem Smith Jr. last September and have ridden and 
>> enjoyed it but now it is time to sell.  This bike has been upgraded as 
>> follows"
>>
>> generator hub and light
>>
>> better Shimano pedals
>>
>> better seat  Brooks B67S
>>
>> rivendell handle bar treatment,  shellacked bar tape and cork grips
>>
>> The bicycle is in very good shape 
>>
>> I paid $1,600 for a complete bike and the upgrades added to the cost.
>>
>> Asking price is $1,500 or you have a different offer.
>>
>> Brian Oldham
>> 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>
>>
>> San Carlos, Ca. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[luckyturnip]

There’s a lovely shop not far from me that offers it. I’m not sure where you’re 
located, however.
You obviously pay for the service but the advertising via social media, word of 
mouth, and eyes on made the difference I believe. 

> On Feb 26, 2021, at 06:20, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> Where does one do consignment? 
> 
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 11:08:56 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>> Another option is consignment, I went this route on a couple bikes that 
>> weren’t selling through the usual channels and with patience I got quite 
>> close to what I’d hoped. 
>> 
 On Feb 25, 2021, at 19:57, Patrick Moore  wrote:
 
>>> 
>> 
>>> You have a nice bike, but to the average schlemiel browsing want ads it 
>>> doesn't fall into the high price (anything over ~$300) categories of road 
>>> bike or fulls suspension mountain bike. It looks (to said schlemiel) as if 
>>> it should sell for $300. You belong like the rest of us to a very peculiar 
>>> and small cycling niche that appreciates both quality and comfort. Heat 
>>> treated handlebars, cork grips, Nitto versus Pletscher racks, Brookses, 
>>> dynamos, etc. just don't enter into the weltanschauung of most people 
>>> looking for a "cruiser" bike (and in this case, that's an honorable term). 
>>> Most people hope to find these at Target.
>>> 
>>> Me, I'd try to find other vending outlets. Off the top of my head, if you 
>>> belong to a church in a high-rent neighborhood, post a FS sign explaining 
>>> the quality -- "this is not your average $300 cruiser" even if to 
>>> unpracticed eyes it looks like one. Ditto at work, if you work in an 
>>> office, or belong to a gymn, or attend wine tasting events; you get the 
>>> idea. You'll have to find people with means who want a comfortable bike and 
>>> can also understand as well as afford one that is top quality. Otherwise, 
>>> again, people will associate quality with cf road bikes and full susp 
>>> mountain bikes, or e contrario, look at comfortable bikes (all sorts of 
>>> qualifications here, but you know what I mean) as low cost items.
>>> 
>>> #2: If selling on-list, the secret is to wait. I've listed what I thought 
>>> were bargains only to get deafening silence in response. Then in a month or 
>>> 2 or 4, a similar item is snapped up. I think in particular of my upgraded 
>>> Sam Hillborne that went begging for weeks; but later, other SHs were 
>>> snapped up with alacrity.
>>> 
>>> The last option is to keep and ride it! Curious: Why are you selling?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:34 PM Brian Oldham  wrote:
 I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I have not 
 had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this bicycle has no 
 market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and love, well made 
 and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good bicycle to have it 
 is not a good one to sell.   
 
 I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  It has 
 treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto racks in 
 front and back, a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick stand, and a 
 generator hub and light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking all the 
 upgrades for free would be attractive.  
 
 So what suggestions do you have for finding new homes for your used 
 Rivendells"  Mine was new last October (2020).  Craigslist only works with 
 an 80% discount on the purchase replacement value,  same with local ads.  
 Pro's Closet is looking for fancy road bikes so not an option for this 
 transaction.  I've considered returning it to Rivendell so they could find 
 someone who would appreciate it.  I know I can give it to a bike 
 collective or charity and that might be the best option.  I have done that 
 in the past. Ive given bicycles to Bike East Bay and Silicon Valley Bike 
 Coalition.  Trying to show repect to the bicycle and the waiting time to 
 find one of these.
 
 Just wondering.
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Philip Barrett]

Sent you a text Brian...2 threads going here :)


On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 8:27:03 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:

> 52cm. 
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ekTmhSz7_Nc/m/xtDuJpWHAwAJ  
>  It’s a great deal. 
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:04:03 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not sure I saw the original listing. What size is this?
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 10:38:26 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I think you need to update the original FS post with pics of the bike 
>>> with Nitto racks, the one you show only has a Pletscher rear. The new pics 
>>> may have the new pedals, too, but be aware that most folks have their own 
>>> favorites and may not be into a Shimano pedal if it's clipless. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-8 brianma...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is a good reply and thank you for it. Practical. Patience is often 
 a powerful quality. I’m also now able to spell schlemiel. Thanks. 

 Brian O

 On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 19:57 Patrick Moore  wrote:

> You have a nice bike, but to the average schlemiel browsing want ads 
> it doesn't fall into the high price (anything over ~$300) categories of 
> road bike or fulls suspension mountain bike. It looks (to said schlemiel) 
> as if it should sell for $300. You belong like the rest of us to a very 
> peculiar and small cycling niche that appreciates both quality and 
> comfort. 
> Heat treated handlebars, cork grips, Nitto versus Pletscher racks, 
> Brookses, dynamos, etc. just don't enter into the weltanschauung of most 
> people looking for a "cruiser" bike (and in this case, that's an 
> honorable 
> term). Most people hope to find these at Target.
>
> Me, I'd try to find other vending outlets. Off the top of my head, if 
> you belong to a church in a high-rent neighborhood, post a FS sign 
> explaining the quality -- "this is not your average $300 cruiser" even if 
> to unpracticed eyes it looks like one. Ditto at work, if you work in an 
> office, or belong to a gymn, or attend wine tasting events; you get the 
> idea. You'll have to find people with means who want a comfortable bike 
> and 
> can also understand as well as afford one that is top quality. Otherwise, 
> again, people will associate quality with cf road bikes and full susp 
> mountain bikes, or* e contrario,* look at comfortable bikes (all 
> sorts of qualifications here, but you know what I mean) as low cost items.
>
> #2: If selling on-list, the secret is to wait. I've listed what I 
> thought were bargains only to get deafening silence in response. Then in 
> a 
> month or 2 or 4, a similar item is snapped up. I think in particular of 
> my 
> upgraded Sam Hillborne that went begging for weeks; but later, other SHs 
> were snapped up with alacrity.
>
> The last option is to keep and ride it! Curious: Why are you selling?
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:34 PM Brian Oldham  
> wrote:
>
>> I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I 
>> have not had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this 
>> bicycle 
>> has no market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and love, 
>> well made and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good bicycle 
>> to 
>> have it is not a good one to sell.   
>>
>> I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  It 
>> has treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto racks 
>> in 
>> front and back, a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick stand, and 
>> a 
>> generator hub and light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking all 
>> the 
>> upgrades for free would be attractive.  
>>
>> So what suggestions do you have for finding new homes for your used 
>> Rivendells"  Mine was new last October (2020).  Craigslist only works 
>> with 
>> an 80% discount on the purchase replacement value,  same with local ads. 
>>  
>> Pro's Closet is looking for fancy road bikes so not an option for this 
>> transaction.  I've considered returning it to Rivendell so they could 
>> find 
>> someone who would appreciate it.  I know I can give it to a bike 
>> collective 
>> or charity and that might be the best option.  I have done that in the 
>> past. Ive given bicycles to Bike East Bay and Silicon Valley Bike 
>> Coalition.  Trying to show repect to the bicycle and the waiting time to 
>> find one of these.
>>
>> Just wondering.
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Yes! Kate is right - so fun! I’m so fond of you ladies, and we’ve never 
even “met.” Doesn’t matter!

Joyce - I got so excited over your bike news that I missed the fact that 
your Mermaid Platy is your birthday bike - is it your birthday today, 
because we might not just be #RivSisters, we might be #RivTWINS!
L

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 7:12:52 AM UTC-8 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:

> #RivSisters are multiplying This is going to be fun
>
> *upyou...@yahoo.com*
> *Kate Gilson*
> [image: Image Preview]
>
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021, 10:28:47 PM EST, Leah Peterson <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Though they will neither be as stunning nor elegant as the Monocog. 藍藍藍
>
> Joyce! How exciting! I really cannot contain myself over here. 
> #RIVSISTERS!!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 25, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> Money talks!
>
> I'll be very interested to see a sea-foam Platypus juxtaposed with the 
> beautiful red of Leah's. We look forward to photos.
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:16 PM JAS  wrote:
>
> I called Rivendell today, Grant answered the phone and I expressed my 
> sincere desire to get a Platypus and my worry that I’d miss out.  I asked 
> how I could make sure I got one and then this happened.he took my 
> credit card info right then and there for a frame of the size and color I 
> want.  YES!  Blue/green (sea foam green?), size 55cm.  Happy birthday to 
> me!  I won’t be riding it until long after my birthday, but it will always 
> be my birthday bike.
>
> So if you’re like me and can’t wait to get this process rolling, make the 
> call with your credit card in hand.  Grant said it helps to demonstrate 
> some bit of angst about making sure to get a frame (which apparently I did 
> in my opening comments to him).  You don’t have to beg, just show your 
> interest.  Good luck!
>
> #RivSisters Forever!
> —Joyce
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

['Kate Gilson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

#RivSisters are multiplying This is going to be fun
upyourkarma@yahoo.comKate Gilson 

On Thursday, February 25, 2021, 10:28:47 PM EST, Leah Peterson 
 wrote:  
 
 Though they will neither be as stunning nor elegant as the Monocog. 藍藍藍
Joyce! How exciting! I really cannot contain myself over here. #RIVSISTERS!!

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 25, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:



Money talks!
I'll be very interested to see a sea-foam Platypus juxtaposed with the 
beautiful red of Leah's. We look forward to photos.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:16 PM JAS  wrote:

I called Rivendell today, Grant answered the phone and I expressed my sincere 
desire to get a Platypus and my worry that I’d miss out.  I asked how I could 
make sure I got one and then this happened.he took my credit card info 
right then and there for a frame of the size and color I want.  YES!  
Blue/green (sea foam green?), size 55cm.  Happy birthday to me!  I won’t be 
riding it until long after my birthday, but it will always be my birthday bike.
So if you’re like me and can’t wait to get this process rolling, make the call 
with your credit card in hand.  Grant said it helps to demonstrate some bit of 
angst about making sure to get a frame (which apparently I did in my opening 
comments to him).  You don’t have to beg, just show your interest.  Good luck!
#RivSisters Forever!—Joyce


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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L for Sale

[Philip Barrett]

Sent you a text Brian.
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 8:32:43 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:

> Brian, my mustard 51 cm Joe A will be on the market in a few days.   PM me 
> if interested. Full bike only at this time. 
>
> Roberta in Philadelphia, PA
>
> On Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 10:10:44 PM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> The business model for Rivendell is to focus on one frame group at a 
>> time.  So it takes a couple of months to work through a container or so of 
>> frames.  They are having the Sam Hillborne frame now so that is going to 
>> generate the excitement for their work capacity.  It could easily be next 
>> year before the Clem Smith Junior (H) and (L).  
>>
>> The variety of bicycle types and models is cool but a person who sees a 
>> bike like my Clem Smith Jr. might have to wait a long time to find one for 
>> themselves.  I wanted a Joe Appaloosa months ago and have not been able to 
>> get one.
>>
>> That is why the secondary market is important.  When we pass our bikes 
>> around among Rivendellers we make it possible to have or try more than one 
>> Bicycle.
>>
>> This bike is really beautiful in person.  Grant says it will last a 
>> lifetime and it is less than a year old now.
>>
>> Brian Oldham
>> 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:02 AM Mark Roland  wrote:
>>
>>> Nice build on one of the (rightly) most sought after models in all of 
>>> Rivendell. This bike with lights and fenders and comfy seat can do double 
>>> duty as bike that can take you just about anywhere and as your second car 
>>> (but way less expensive and waaay more fun.) I don't think the Clem Ls are 
>>> due again for some time?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi. 

 52 frame size

 Brian O

 On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 05:58 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
 thesix...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Frame size?
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:23:07 AM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>> for I bought a Clem Smith Jr. last September and have ridden and 
>> enjoyed it but now it is time to sell.  This bike has been upgraded as 
>> follows"
>>
>> generator hub and light
>>
>> better Shimano pedals
>>
>> better seat  Brooks B67S
>>
>> rivendell handle bar treatment,  shellacked bar tape and cork grips
>>
>> The bicycle is in very good shape 
>>
>> I paid $1,600 for a complete bike and the upgrades added to the cost.
>>
>> Asking price is $1,500 or you have a different offer.
>>
>> Brian Oldham
>> 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>
>>
>> San Carlos, Ca. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L for Sale

[Roberta]

Brian, my mustard 51 cm Joe A will be on the market in a few days.   PM me 
if interested. Full bike only at this time. 

Roberta in Philadelphia, PA

On Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 10:10:44 PM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi
>
> The business model for Rivendell is to focus on one frame group at a 
> time.  So it takes a couple of months to work through a container or so of 
> frames.  They are having the Sam Hillborne frame now so that is going to 
> generate the excitement for their work capacity.  It could easily be next 
> year before the Clem Smith Junior (H) and (L).  
>
> The variety of bicycle types and models is cool but a person who sees a 
> bike like my Clem Smith Jr. might have to wait a long time to find one for 
> themselves.  I wanted a Joe Appaloosa months ago and have not been able to 
> get one.
>
> That is why the secondary market is important.  When we pass our bikes 
> around among Rivendellers we make it possible to have or try more than one 
> Bicycle.
>
> This bike is really beautiful in person.  Grant says it will last a 
> lifetime and it is less than a year old now.
>
> Brian Oldham
> 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:02 AM Mark Roland  wrote:
>
>> Nice build on one of the (rightly) most sought after models in all of 
>> Rivendell. This bike with lights and fenders and comfy seat can do double 
>> duty as bike that can take you just about anywhere and as your second car 
>> (but way less expensive and waaay more fun.) I don't think the Clem Ls are 
>> due again for some time?
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi. 
>>>
>>> 52 frame size
>>>
>>> Brian O
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 05:58 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
>>> thesix...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Frame size?

 On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:23:07 AM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi all, 
> for I bought a Clem Smith Jr. last September and have ridden and 
> enjoyed it but now it is time to sell.  This bike has been upgraded as 
> follows"
>
> generator hub and light
>
> better Shimano pedals
>
> better seat  Brooks B67S
>
> rivendell handle bar treatment,  shellacked bar tape and cork grips
>
> The bicycle is in very good shape 
>
> I paid $1,600 for a complete bike and the upgrades added to the cost.
>
> Asking price is $1,500 or you have a different offer.
>
> Brian Oldham
> 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>
>
> San Carlos, Ca. 
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Roberta]

52cm. 
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ekTmhSz7_Nc/m/xtDuJpWHAwAJ  
 It’s a great deal. 

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:04:03 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> I'm not sure I saw the original listing. What size is this?
>
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 10:38:26 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I think you need to update the original FS post with pics of the bike 
>> with Nitto racks, the one you show only has a Pletscher rear. The new pics 
>> may have the new pedals, too, but be aware that most folks have their own 
>> favorites and may not be into a Shimano pedal if it's clipless. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-8 brianma...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is a good reply and thank you for it. Practical. Patience is often 
>>> a powerful quality. I’m also now able to spell schlemiel. Thanks. 
>>>
>>> Brian O
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 19:57 Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 You have a nice bike, but to the average schlemiel browsing want ads it 
 doesn't fall into the high price (anything over ~$300) categories of road 
 bike or fulls suspension mountain bike. It looks (to said schlemiel) as if 
 it should sell for $300. You belong like the rest of us to a very peculiar 
 and small cycling niche that appreciates both quality and comfort. Heat 
 treated handlebars, cork grips, Nitto versus Pletscher racks, Brookses, 
 dynamos, etc. just don't enter into the weltanschauung of most people 
 looking for a "cruiser" bike (and in this case, that's an honorable term). 
 Most people hope to find these at Target.

 Me, I'd try to find other vending outlets. Off the top of my head, if 
 you belong to a church in a high-rent neighborhood, post a FS sign 
 explaining the quality -- "this is not your average $300 cruiser" even if 
 to unpracticed eyes it looks like one. Ditto at work, if you work in an 
 office, or belong to a gymn, or attend wine tasting events; you get the 
 idea. You'll have to find people with means who want a comfortable bike 
 and 
 can also understand as well as afford one that is top quality. Otherwise, 
 again, people will associate quality with cf road bikes and full susp 
 mountain bikes, or* e contrario,* look at comfortable bikes (all sorts 
 of qualifications here, but you know what I mean) as low cost items.

 #2: If selling on-list, the secret is to wait. I've listed what I 
 thought were bargains only to get deafening silence in response. Then in a 
 month or 2 or 4, a similar item is snapped up. I think in particular of my 
 upgraded Sam Hillborne that went begging for weeks; but later, other SHs 
 were snapped up with alacrity.

 The last option is to keep and ride it! Curious: Why are you selling?


 On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:34 PM Brian Oldham  
 wrote:

> I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I have 
> not had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this bicycle has 
> no 
> market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and love, well 
> made 
> and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good bicycle to have it 
> is 
> not a good one to sell.   
>
> I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  It 
> has treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto racks 
> in 
> front and back, a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick stand, and 
> a 
> generator hub and light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking all the 
> upgrades for free would be attractive.  
>
> So what suggestions do you have for finding new homes for your used 
> Rivendells"  Mine was new last October (2020).  Craigslist only works 
> with 
> an 80% discount on the purchase replacement value,  same with local ads.  
> Pro's Closet is looking for fancy road bikes so not an option for this 
> transaction.  I've considered returning it to Rivendell so they could 
> find 
> someone who would appreciate it.  I know I can give it to a bike 
> collective 
> or charity and that might be the best option.  I have done that in the 
> past. Ive given bicycles to Bike East Bay and Silicon Valley Bike 
> Coalition.  Trying to show repect to the bicycle and the waiting time to 
> find one of these.
>
> Just wondering.
>
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Roberta]

Where does one do consignment? 

On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 11:08:56 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:

> Another option is consignment, I went this route on a couple bikes that 
> weren’t selling through the usual channels and with patience I got quite 
> close to what I’d hoped. 
>
> On Feb 25, 2021, at 19:57, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> You have a nice bike, but to the average schlemiel browsing want ads it 
> doesn't fall into the high price (anything over ~$300) categories of road 
> bike or fulls suspension mountain bike. It looks (to said schlemiel) as if 
> it should sell for $300. You belong like the rest of us to a very peculiar 
> and small cycling niche that appreciates both quality and comfort. Heat 
> treated handlebars, cork grips, Nitto versus Pletscher racks, Brookses, 
> dynamos, etc. just don't enter into the weltanschauung of most people 
> looking for a "cruiser" bike (and in this case, that's an honorable term). 
> Most people hope to find these at Target.
>
> Me, I'd try to find other vending outlets. Off the top of my head, if you 
> belong to a church in a high-rent neighborhood, post a FS sign explaining 
> the quality -- "this is not your average $300 cruiser" even if to 
> unpracticed eyes it looks like one. Ditto at work, if you work in an 
> office, or belong to a gymn, or attend wine tasting events; you get the 
> idea. You'll have to find people with means who want a comfortable bike and 
> can also understand as well as afford one that is top quality. Otherwise, 
> again, people will associate quality with cf road bikes and full susp 
> mountain bikes, or* e contrario,* look at comfortable bikes (all sorts of 
> qualifications here, but you know what I mean) as low cost items.
>
> #2: If selling on-list, the secret is to wait. I've listed what I thought 
> were bargains only to get deafening silence in response. Then in a month or 
> 2 or 4, a similar item is snapped up. I think in particular of my upgraded 
> Sam Hillborne that went begging for weeks; but later, other SHs were 
> snapped up with alacrity.
>
> The last option is to keep and ride it! Curious: Why are you selling?
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:34 PM Brian Oldham  wrote:
>
>> I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I have 
>> not had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this bicycle has no 
>> market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and love, well made 
>> and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good bicycle to have it is 
>> not a good one to sell.   
>>
>> I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  It has 
>> treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto racks in 
>> front and back, a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick stand, and a 
>> generator hub and light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking all the 
>> upgrades for free would be attractive.  
>>
>> So what suggestions do you have for finding new homes for your used 
>> Rivendells"  Mine was new last October (2020).  Craigslist only works with 
>> an 80% discount on the purchase replacement value,  same with local ads.  
>> Pro's Closet is looking for fancy road bikes so not an option for this 
>> transaction.  I've considered returning it to Rivendell so they could find 
>> someone who would appreciate it.  I know I can give it to a bike collective 
>> or charity and that might be the best option.  I have done that in the 
>> past. Ive given bicycles to Bike East Bay and Silicon Valley Bike 
>> Coalition.  Trying to show repect to the bicycle and the waiting time to 
>> find one of these.
>>
>> Just wondering.
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Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?

[Philip Barrett]

I'm not sure I saw the original listing. What size is this?


On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 10:38:26 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I think you need to update the original FS post with pics of the bike with 
> Nitto racks, the one you show only has a Pletscher rear. The new pics may 
> have the new pedals, too, but be aware that most folks have their own 
> favorites and may not be into a Shimano pedal if it's clipless. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-8 brianma...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This is a good reply and thank you for it. Practical. Patience is often a 
>> powerful quality. I’m also now able to spell schlemiel. Thanks. 
>>
>> Brian O
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 19:57 Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> You have a nice bike, but to the average schlemiel browsing want ads it 
>>> doesn't fall into the high price (anything over ~$300) categories of road 
>>> bike or fulls suspension mountain bike. It looks (to said schlemiel) as if 
>>> it should sell for $300. You belong like the rest of us to a very peculiar 
>>> and small cycling niche that appreciates both quality and comfort. Heat 
>>> treated handlebars, cork grips, Nitto versus Pletscher racks, Brookses, 
>>> dynamos, etc. just don't enter into the weltanschauung of most people 
>>> looking for a "cruiser" bike (and in this case, that's an honorable term). 
>>> Most people hope to find these at Target.
>>>
>>> Me, I'd try to find other vending outlets. Off the top of my head, if 
>>> you belong to a church in a high-rent neighborhood, post a FS sign 
>>> explaining the quality -- "this is not your average $300 cruiser" even if 
>>> to unpracticed eyes it looks like one. Ditto at work, if you work in an 
>>> office, or belong to a gymn, or attend wine tasting events; you get the 
>>> idea. You'll have to find people with means who want a comfortable bike and 
>>> can also understand as well as afford one that is top quality. Otherwise, 
>>> again, people will associate quality with cf road bikes and full susp 
>>> mountain bikes, or* e contrario,* look at comfortable bikes (all sorts 
>>> of qualifications here, but you know what I mean) as low cost items.
>>>
>>> #2: If selling on-list, the secret is to wait. I've listed what I 
>>> thought were bargains only to get deafening silence in response. Then in a 
>>> month or 2 or 4, a similar item is snapped up. I think in particular of my 
>>> upgraded Sam Hillborne that went begging for weeks; but later, other SHs 
>>> were snapped up with alacrity.
>>>
>>> The last option is to keep and ride it! Curious: Why are you selling?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:34 PM Brian Oldham  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I am surprised that in a month of listing my Clem for sale that I have 
 not had one serious look or offer.  Does that mean that this bicycle has 
 no 
 market value?  It is the good bicycle that we all know and love, well made 
 and superbly designed.  Apparently while is is a good bicycle to have it 
 is 
 not a good one to sell.   

 I've added over $1,000 of upgrades and paid $1,600 to purchase.  It has 
 treated handlebars, Cork grips, upgraded Shimano pedals, Nitto racks in 
 front and back, a large Wald basket, Brooks seat, double kick stand, and a 
 generator hub and light system.  I have asked for $1,500 thinking all the 
 upgrades for free would be attractive.  

 So what suggestions do you have for finding new homes for your used 
 Rivendells"  Mine was new last October (2020).  Craigslist only works with 
 an 80% discount on the purchase replacement value,  same with local ads.  
 Pro's Closet is looking for fancy road bikes so not an option for this 
 transaction.  I've considered returning it to Rivendell so they could find 
 someone who would appreciate it.  I know I can give it to a bike 
 collective 
 or charity and that might be the best option.  I have done that in the 
 past. Ive given bicycles to Bike East Bay and Silicon Valley Bike 
 Coalition.  Trying to show repect to the bicycle and the waiting time to 
 find one of these.

 Just wondering.

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Re: [RBW] FS Paul Component Rasta Suite (skewers, moon units, nut adjusters)

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Sold, thanks all 

On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 7:59:24 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:

> If I hadn't won that eBay auction! Great stuff here, beautiful. 
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 4:44 PM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
> 482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Who needs some Rasta in their life?
>>
>> Lucky posted a search for some red adjuster nuts and I came across this 
>> little treasure trove from a project that never found a home.
>>
>> Selling as a full set only (Front/rear 100/135 Skewers, two moon units 
>> (gold), four adjuster nuts (2 red, 1 green, 1 gold).  These are all new 
>> never used.
>>
>> $250 shipped USPS CONUS, PayPal goods and services
>>
>> ❤❤
>>
>> Alex in Rochester, NY
>>
>> (Where it was a high of 54 with sun today; absolute heaven)
>>
>> [image: rasta.JPG]
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