[RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[ascpgh]

Wow! That's my first reaction. Second is what great aforethought you've had 
to keep up your documentation so as to look at it from a ten year 
retrospective. I don't even keep my miles tallied but your bike's decade 
inspires me to post in response "My Rambouillet after 20 years". I'm going 
to have to work on it to meet the quality of your post! I've got beausage 
times two, I once wrote that mine had exceeded definition and moved to 
"beausavage". 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of beausage.  
> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>
> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[John A. Bennett]

*It's just getting good! *

John in Portland, Ore.

On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of beausage.  
> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>
> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You use your bike the way we all should (if weather permitted).  Good to 
remember the nicks and scratches.  A well used bike.  

On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of beausage.  
> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>
> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
>
>

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[RBW] Which Riv. mixte has the shortest chainstays?

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Does this also equate to wheelbase?

I store my bikes in the basement in winter and Sunroom the other seasons. 
 Long bikes can be a problem. 

Thanks. 

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[RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Pam Bikes]

I was afraid people would give me a hard time for thinking I mistreated my 
bike.  I'd love to see other bikes in similar condition.  I used to stress 
over the paint chips but have enjoyed all the rides and have come to 
realize that bikes are for riding.  If it gets chipped, that's part of the 
journey.  

I'm sure more people have ridden lots more than me.  I just ride mine 
everyday, everywhere literally.  We're all lucky we have our Rivs before 
Ultraromancer, Bike Snob and Russ of The Path Less Pedaled got theirs.  
Rivs may be more hard to come by.  

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 10:02:36 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> You use your bike the way we all should (if weather permitted).  Good to 
> remember the nicks and scratches.  A well used bike.  
>
> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of 
>> beausage.  
>> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
>> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
>> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>>
>> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[Pam Bikes]

I have the Schwalbe Marathon Supremes and love them.  I ride daily on them 
and get 12,000 miles without a flat.  I change them  before I have any 
problem.  I'm on my 4th set.  This is the only tire I've ridden so I don't 
know about the others but I loved the performance so far.

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 2:36:09 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:

> Oh joy!  My mermaid Platypus 55 cm frame is on the way!  There’s no ETA 
> yet on Velocity Dyad wheels from Rich at RBW,  however I want to be ready 
> and am seeking the wisdom of the group for recommendations on tires.  
>
> Details: 
> —Soma fenders, 52mm, that allow for tires up to 42mm
> —Light build, mostly planning for road riding or Rails to Trails paths 
> —Minimal loads for day rides
> —I’ll be using tubes and don’t need “tubeless ready.”
> —No super light casings because I want some flat protection
> —I have a Clem for hauling and riding dirt trails using Schwalbe Big Bens, 
> 27.5 x 2.0
>
> Options contemplated:
> —Panaracer Shikoro 38mm (can’t locate 42 in stock)
> —Panaracer Gravel King (not sure which one)
>
> Your thoughts and advice?  What would you recommend?  What else should I 
> consider? 
>
> —Joyce
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Peter

You stated/asked:
"Some of them are clearly wrong; how can the 700x44 Rene Herse Snoqualmie 
Pass tires possibly weigh less than the 700x38 Barlow Pass ones, unless the 
casings on the 700x44s are sidewall-bursting thin? And weightwise, the SOMA 
Supple Vitesse SLs are just *crazy* light, if those numbers are real."

I asked this same question to Jan Heine about 2 years ago on his blog 
post.  He replied the 700x44 were designed slightly different to be lighter 
than the 38's.  Can't recall what the change was,  possibly thinner tread, 
but he claimed it did not affect wear.   So the weight difference is real.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ
On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 6:28:25 PM UTC-4 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> BTW, the Shikoros are not SOMA's lightweight slick tire. At 320g(28c), 
> 350g(33c) 430g(38c) for the folding ones, they're more like replacements 
> for their heavier Everwear tires. The wire rimmed ones are obviously 
> heavier still. Another comparison would be to the Riv Ruffy Tuffy (700x28) 
> or Jack Brown (700x33). SOMA's lightweight tires are the Supple Vitesse 
> models, which are roughly in the same market as the Panaracer GravelKing 
> slicks and the Rene Herse standard casing models:
>
> SOMA Shikoro (folding): 28c (320g), 33c (350g), 38c (430g)
>
> SOMA Supple Vitesse SL (light):   28c (220g), 33c (250g), 38c (270g), 42c 
> (340g)
>
> SOMA Supple Vitesse EX (heavy): 28c (270g), 33c (290g), 38c (320g), 42c 
> (380g)
>
> Rivendell Ruffy Tuffy:   28c (not currently listed on 
> Riv or SOMA sites, so who knows?)
>
> Rivendell Jack Brown:33c (320g 
> light, 400g heavy)   
>
> Panaracer GravelKing slick:28c (270g), 32c (290g), 35c (310g), 
> 38c (330g)
>
> Rene Herse (standard):28c (248g), 32c (291g), 35c 
> (355g), 38c (385g), 44c (375g)
>
> Rene Herse (extralight):   28c (225g), 32c (254g), 35c 
> (303g), 38c (350g), 44c (330g)
>
> By tradition, we can assume that many of these weights are wishful 
> thinking - maybe many of the measurements, too. Some of them are clearly 
> wrong; how can the 700x44 Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires possibly weigh 
> less than the 700x38 Barlow Pass ones, unless the casings on the 700x44s 
> are sidewall-bursting thin? And weightwise, the SOMA Supple Vitesse SLs are 
> just *crazy* light, if those numbers are real.
>
> A nice-riding, fairly durable 700x30-something tire (if you can find them) 
> is the SOMA New Express, which has the Panaracer Pasela tread with a more 
> flexible casing. This was originally a 700c tire, which SOMA discontinued 
> when they introduced the Supple Vitesse on the lighter end and the Shikoro 
> on the heavier end. I rode a pair of folding New Expresses in 700x35 for a 
> year or so on my around-town bike, and really liked them; I'd buy them 
> again if they were still available.
>
> Peter Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 2:38:05 PM UTC-7 Peter Adler wrote:
>
>> All the SOMA tires are made by Panaracer (the bike tire subsidiary of 
>> National Tire, which is the tiremaking subsidiary of Panasonic; they mostly 
>> do car/truck tires). All the Grand Bois tires are made by Panaracer. All 
>> the Rivendell tires are made by Panaracer. All the Compass/Rene Herse tires 
>> are made by Panaracer. All the Bruce Gordon tires are made by Panaracer. 
>> And back before Kirk Pacenti sold his tire designs to Panaracer outright, 
>> all the Pacenti tires were made by Panaracer.
>
>

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[RBW] ISO 650b wheelset for clem

[axton lambert]

something like a velocity cliffhanger to Shimano. but open to other 
combinations 

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Jacob Byard]

Man, that looks fantastic. As someone that has never been to San Francisco, is 
it a hard ride? I’ve thought about a fall trip out that way and would like to 
do some riding. I live in rural Pennsylvania so city riding isn’t much of a 
thing. 

Cheers,

Jacob


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> On May 15, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Brendan Willard in SF  wrote:
> 
> I did an s24o to Steep Ravine Cabin 5 on Monday!  Truly a treasure- it's 
> only 22 miles from my door in Nob Hill SF. There are a few challenging climbs 
> made more so with the additional weight of beer and burritos.   Speaking of 
> beer, I soaked my only shoes in the ocean after misjudging the tide while 
> trying to chill said beverage in the water.  The ride home was a little less 
> fun with wet feet. Too bad about the red flag warning here; no fires!
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 12:02:46 AM UTC-7 Jeffrey S wrote:
>> Olivier, the cabins are amazing! I actually stayed in one on the last day of 
>> my trip down there too. Nothing like it! Riding to Steep Ravine via Highway 
>> 1 was harder than I expected! Worth it though.
>> 
>>> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 7:08 PM Olivier Chételat  wrote:
>>> Jeffrey, I spent the night of Wednesday to Thursday at Steep Ravine (Cabin 
>>> 4). I almost rode my Atlantis there but for logistical reasons had to drive 
>>> in. Such a wonderful spot (and Hunqapillar).
>>> 
 On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 6:41:46 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey S wrote:
 A couple photos with my Hunqapillar from a recent ride to the Steep Ravine 
 campgrounds just north of San Francisco, my favorite place!
 
>>> 
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[RBW] Seeking advice on handlebars

[Johnny Burrell]

Hey all,
Next week I'll get a new-to-me Hunqapillar and I don't prefer the current 
drop bars. I'd like to switch to a more upright setup, but unsure which. 
The Bullmoose caught my eye, I like the taper more than bars that come 
straight back. What other options are good ones? How does one go about 
correctly sizing and fitting new bars?  The stem is, i think, about 100-110 
which is my preference in this size bike. 

school me and learn me up on how to pick out handlebars?

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[RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Benjamin Park]

Great write up!

On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of beausage.  
> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>
> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
>
>

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[RBW] Re: question re Dremel attachments

[Addison Quarles]

Are you set on using a dremel for cutting and finishing? 
I use a pair of bolt cutters and a bench top belt sander with good results. 
I just worry about operating spinny, cutty tools so near a (presumably) 
beautiful paint job. It's of course more work to fit them, cut them, take 
them off, finish the edges and then reinstall, but maybe I'm just one to 
take the scenic route. 
If I'm in a "hurry" I'll cut with the bolt cutters and finish with a hand 
file, leaving the strut mounted to the fender but not mounted to the frame 
eyelet. 
All the same, if you're handy with the Dremel and trust that you won't nick 
the paint, I've always enjoyed using a flex shaft attachment, as it's 
easier to articulate with. 
Best of luck!
-Addison 


On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 7:50:11 PM UTC-7 Jim S. wrote:

> Hi all, I'm fixing to cut some fender stays and rack struts with my Dremel 
> rotary.
>
> Wow, there are an incredible number of attachment options. It's rather 
> paralyzing.
>
> I'd be grateful if you could recommend (1) a Dremel attachment for cutting 
> stays or struts, and (2) an attachment for smoothing out the sharp edges 
> after the cuts.
>
> Thanks for any information.
>

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[RBW] Re: rides sought

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I know it’s not about the purple Glorius, but 🤩. I saw that bike and 
thought, we have got to introduce this woman and her bike to Ana, of 
PurpleRiv fame. Ana’s got a custom in a deeper purple and it is basically a 
Glorius. These two would get along!

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 9:05:09 AM UTC-7 redsf wrote:

> My kids had a great time riding around the campground and out to the 
> beach.  As I recall the trail to the beach was not designed for bikes, but 
> our 9-12 year olds manage, we walked.  You could also bike into town for 
> ice cream from the campground.  We then spent a couple nights at Salt Point 
> State Park and we did some more riding there.  They promote some mountain 
> bike trails, but you can also ride down to and along the coast from your 
> campsite.  We brought our Sam, a beautiful purple Glorious, a saved from 
> the junk yard and refurbished mt bike and REI kids bike.  I didn't take the 
> photos for Riv content, but you get glimpse of the bikes and experience.
> TR
> [image: DSC_0086.jpg]
> [image: DSC_0095.jpg]
>
> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:21:02 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>
>> I have a reservation for a campsite in Gualala (California Mendocino 
>> area) and would love to bring the family bikes. We've been to the area 
>> before and never brought bikes. Can anyone recommend any cool places to 
>> bike there that are kid friendly for riders who aren't that 
>> cautious cycling on a highway, for example? If you have a recommended ride 
>> there I can start researching what might be best for us. 
>>
>> Riv content: I will likely bring my Atlantis, of which I will take great 
>> photos in that gorgeous area. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Leah Peterson]

Your bike mistreated because of its beausage? Never. It is my unvarnished 
opinion that the mistreated bike is the pristine one. A pristine bike is a 
parked bike, and Rivs are meant to be ridden. I have one scuff in my raspberry 
Platypus paint and I don’t even care. More to come, I figure.

Andy - yes, delight us with your 20 year Ram write-up and beausage. Who else 
has had a bike for a long time and can contribute? Like Pam, I’d really enjoy 
those stories and photos.

As for me, my Betty Foy was 8 years old when I traded it in for the longer 
chain-stayed, raspberry Platypus. I learned a lot in those 8 years and you 
could see it on the frame. I didn’t even know how to raise the handlebars when 
I got my Betty. I stripped a bolt or two. Mashed the brake cable into the top 
tube paint job. I used it to pull my kids and haul my dog, and as such, it was 
tipped over by said kids and dog more than once. Wish I had done a similar 
write-up!

Leah
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> On May 16, 2021, at 7:21 AM, Pam Bikes  wrote:
> I was afraid people would give me a hard time for thinking I mistreated my 
> bike.  I'd love to see other bikes in similar condition.  I used to stress 
> over the paint chips but have enjoyed all the rides and have come to realize 
> that bikes are for riding.  If it gets chipped, that's part of the journey.  
> 
> I'm sure more people have ridden lots more than me.  I just ride mine 
> everyday, everywhere literally.  We're all lucky we have our Rivs before 
> Ultraromancer, Bike Snob and Russ of The Path Less Pedaled got theirs.  Rivs 
> may be more hard to come by.  
> 
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 10:02:36 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>> You use your bike the way we all should (if weather permitted).  Good to 
>> remember the nicks and scratches.  A well used bike.  
>> 
>> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of beausage.  
>>> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
>>> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
>>> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>>> 
>>> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
> 
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[RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Jason Fuller]

I draw a lot of inspiration from you and your Betty, Pam! Thanks for 
chronicling its journey. 



On Saturday, 15 May 2021 at 18:11:15 UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of beausage.  
> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>
> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Philip Barrett]

Really awesome & inspiring! 

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 12:49:14 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I draw a lot of inspiration from you and your Betty, Pam! Thanks for 
> chronicling its journey. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 15 May 2021 at 18:11:15 UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of 
>> beausage.  
>> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
>> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
>> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>>
>> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
>>
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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Cheviot - silver, 60cm - $1,750 local pick up in Napa

[Pancake]

sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/napa-rivendell-cheviot-silver-60cm-rack/7322509966.html

My friend and I were building this up for a friend but they already got 
themselves another bike! So now I'm selling it - built it up myself and 
looking forward to a local sale if possible. I'm in Napa but I visit 
friends in Berkeley, Sonoma and sometimes San Jose so could probably meet 
anywhere in between. I can install the fenders if you like, but figured to 
leave them as clean as possible until they meet their final racks and tires 
and such. If you want some parts swapped around or to see if I have some 
alternative parts just let me know and I'll look around. 
Abe in Napa

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Brendan Willard in SF]

Jacob, 

The ride does involve some climbs, but It's well worth it!  The Bay Area is 
wonderful for all types of riding, you can pick from so many routes to suit 
your needs.

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 9:04:28 AM UTC-7 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> Man, that looks fantastic. As someone that has never been to San 
> Francisco, is it a hard ride? I’ve thought about a fall trip out that way 
> and would like to do some riding. I live in rural Pennsylvania so city 
> riding isn’t much of a thing. 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jacob
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 15, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Brendan Willard in SF  
> wrote:
>
> I did an s24o to Steep Ravine Cabin 5 on Monday!  Truly a treasure- it's 
> only 22 miles from my door in Nob Hill SF. There are a few challenging 
> climbs made more so with the additional weight of beer and burritos.  
>  Speaking of beer, I soaked my only shoes in the ocean after misjudging the 
> tide while trying to chill said beverage in the water.  The ride home was a 
> little less fun with wet feet. Too bad about the red flag warning here; no 
> fires!
> 
>
> 
>
>
> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 12:02:46 AM UTC-7 Jeffrey S wrote:
>
>> Olivier, the cabins are amazing! I actually stayed in one on the last day 
>> of my trip down there too. Nothing like it! Riding to Steep Ravine via 
>> Highway 1 was harder than I expected! Worth it though.
>>
>> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 7:08 PM Olivier Chételat  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeffrey, I spent the night of Wednesday to Thursday at Steep Ravine 
>>> (Cabin 4). I almost rode my Atlantis there but for logistical reasons had 
>>> to drive in. Such a wonderful spot (and Hunqapillar).
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 6:41:46 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey S wrote:
>>>
 A couple photos with my Hunqapillar from a recent ride to the Steep 
 Ravine campgrounds just north of San Francisco, my favorite place!

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Re: [RBW] Re: rides sought

[Lucky Turnip]

Thanks for your reply. The scenery there is gorgeous (bikes included!)
I guess what I am wondering is if there are any favorite trails people have
to recommend in that area, we can put the bikes on the car to get there if
necessary (sometimes the only way to get to the ride with young kids.)
Can be mildly technical MTB or paved or gravel, our bikes do it all. :)

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 9:25 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know it’s not about the purple Glorius, but 🤩. I saw that bike and
> thought, we have got to introduce this woman and her bike to Ana, of
> PurpleRiv fame. Ana’s got a custom in a deeper purple and it is basically a
> Glorius. These two would get along!
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 9:05:09 AM UTC-7 redsf wrote:
>
>> My kids had a great time riding around the campground and out to the
>> beach.  As I recall the trail to the beach was not designed for bikes, but
>> our 9-12 year olds manage, we walked.  You could also bike into town for
>> ice cream from the campground.  We then spent a couple nights at Salt Point
>> State Park and we did some more riding there.  They promote some mountain
>> bike trails, but you can also ride down to and along the coast from your
>> campsite.  We brought our Sam, a beautiful purple Glorious, a saved from
>> the junk yard and refurbished mt bike and REI kids bike.  I didn't take the
>> photos for Riv content, but you get glimpse of the bikes and experience.
>> TR
>> [image: DSC_0086.jpg]
>> [image: DSC_0095.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:21:02 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> I have a reservation for a campsite in Gualala (California Mendocino
>>> area) and would love to bring the family bikes. We've been to the area
>>> before and never brought bikes. Can anyone recommend any cool places to
>>> bike there that are kid friendly for riders who aren't that
>>> cautious cycling on a highway, for example? If you have a recommended ride
>>> there I can start researching what might be best for us.
>>>
>>> Riv content: I will likely bring my Atlantis, of which I will take great
>>> photos in that gorgeous area.
>>>
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[RBW] FS/WTT: Paul Cross in-line brake lever for Paul Love lever

[Eric M Cardella]

For sale: one set (pair) of Paul Components Cross levers in 31.8mm clamp 
diameter. Had these installed on the flats of a Woodchipper dirt touring 
handlebar (available separately).

Would like to trade my Cross levers for a set of Paul Canti or Paul Love 
levers. Or make an offer. Black preferred, but silver or polished might me 
doable. 

Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/YvN72AS6TFxWdE6b8

Eric


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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Michael Morrissey]

Here is my pseudo-Rivendell! It's a lugged steel 26" Trek 830. I thought 
this was the first year, but it's the second year they made them: 1984. I 
have ridden this bike all over NYC but now it's in storage and I ride my 
Rivendell most of the time. For me this bike is DIALED IN to just what I 
want and very patina-ed. I made this video a few years ago but not much has 
changed in the bike except tires and saddle. 

I made a video about this bike. Somehow the youtube algorithm liked it and 
it has 25k views:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3dJFTgcJiY

Enjoy!

Michael

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:40:49 PM UTC-4 lexi...@msn.com wrote:

> I haven't found the super sized Riv yet. However I was able to build an 
> Expedition with a big box on it recently. I still need to sort out a 
> decaleur for it. [image: 20210516_110639.jpg]
>
> Roger in Snohomish, WA 
> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 5:03:28 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This one's on Craigslist this weekend, fun to build, fun to ride, time to 
>> make room for another little project though.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210514_190355683.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 12:48:02 PM UTC-5 Shawn Granton wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 7:02 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Its a Blackburn front mountain rack. Works well with a basket. 
>>>
>>>
>>> That was called a Blackburn MTF-1. I had it on a couple bikes in the 
>>> past. It indeed was a great rack for putting a basket atop it, not that 
>>> great for panniers unless you like them up high.
>>>
>>> Looks like Blackburn has discontinued them. REI still has it up on their 
>>> site:
>>> https://www.rei.com/product/856307/blackburn-mtf-1-front-bike-rack
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Shawn 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Christine Justice]

I enjoyed this so much Pam. You and your Betty sure have a special 
relationship. It's a joy seeing such a well loved bicycle. That is some 
truly awe inspiring milage you do. And oh the places you've been together! 
😻 You say you don't use a phone. How do you track all that milage? 

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 11:52:43 AM UTC-6 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Really awesome & inspiring! 
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 12:49:14 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I draw a lot of inspiration from you and your Betty, Pam! Thanks for 
>> chronicling its journey. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 15 May 2021 at 18:11:15 UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of 
>>> beausage.  
>>> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
>>> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
>>> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>>>
>>> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Patrick Moore]

I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting
about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, and
only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 1999 Joe
Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell paint was
largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated
(*nice* powdercoat)
in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right chainstay where another
eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last year, slammed into me from
behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame *almost* unscathed.

OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many
years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor scuffs
and scrapes.

---
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Patrick Moore]

"...frame?"

Patrick "can't type, neither" Moore

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 5:44 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... are those wooden fenders, or simply painted to match the screen.
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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice on handlebars

[exliontamer]

I think it's worth considering your shoulder width and how much you want to 
be upright. Everyone is different. I'm 6'1" with the legs of a giraffe, the 
shoulder width of Hulk Hogan, and the torso of a 5 year old so I tend to 
like shortish stems with wide bars that have some back sweep towards me. 
All of this may be totally invalid for you but for me...
*Flat Bars/Bullmoose - The wider the better. Strongly prefer them on 
technical MTB trails and on short rides with some jackassery(hopping on 
curbs, etc.). Can't stand them on long rides.
*Jitensha/Cinelli Pope/Map Ahearne style - Don't like any of them. The 
wrist position flat out doesn't work for me.
*North Road/Albatross/Choco - Love everything about them in every way. The 
CroMo Albatross are a good affordable way to try them out are just as good 
as the aluminum ones. I have big hands so the position in the hooks is a 
little tight but both positions are perfect for me and the bars have enough 
room to be adaptable to grip length.
*Moustache Bars - No
*Bosco - Pretty awesome in every way but I have a preference to Albatrosses 
which feel better to me off road and equally as good otherwise.

I'm biased but my vote would be to start with Albatrosses unless you've 
tried flats and really want the Bullmoose. Even then something like the 
SimWorks Getaround bar would be cheaper, wider, and give you a similar 
sensation.  


On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 1:47:42 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> So much depends on use case, since the Hunq can be built up so many ways. 
> Mine is optimized for touring and grocery hauling, so it’s no lightweight. 
> I’ve come to appreciate handlebar width over uprightness, to help me muscle 
> the front end around when I have the basket and panniers fully loaded. I’ve 
> run a few Bosco variants, and the non-bullmoose style were too flexy for 
> me. I’ve settled on Jones loop H-bars, and they’re just great. That would 
> require the purchase of a faceplate stem though, and probably quite a bit 
> shorter than a 100 or 110. I’d also be tempted by the Tumbleweed Persuader, 
> which would probably also require a shorter stem. Whatbars.com is a great 
> resource for making comparisons. I’ve included a picture of my cockpit as 
> well. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On May 16, 2021, at 9:04 AM, Johnny Burrell  wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> Next week I'll get a new-to-me Hunqapillar and I don't prefer the current 
> drop bars. I'd like to switch to a more upright setup, but unsure which. 
> The Bullmoose caught my eye, I like the taper more than bars that come 
> straight back. What other options are good ones? How does one go about 
> correctly sizing and fitting new bars?  The stem is, i think, about 100-110 
> which is my preference in this size bike. 
>
> school me and learn me up on how to pick out handlebars?
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

I'm blushing - thanks!

I enjoy a good climb (or as good as a "climb" gets in N. Texas) and my 
hands were slipping little if I pulled back on the bars, hopefully this 
will help. 

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 6:08:45 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That's the best grip aesthetic I've seen. The only "tourist" bar grips 
> that agree with my left palm are Ergon GP1 grips, and those cut back (tho I 
> see Ergon offers an abbreviated model: https://tinyurl.com/y4fjxb5v) and 
> very precisely arranged, but I'd do this if my palm could stand it.
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:57 PM Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
>> It's raining & thunder today so I decided I needed a little more traction 
>> on the cork grips. I was going to do the chainstay too but ran out of hemp 
>> twine.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210516_175123073.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[David Person]

Grant would be so proud of you.

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting 
> about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, and 
> only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 1999 Joe 
> Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell paint was 
> largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated (*nice* 
> powdercoat) 
> in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right chainstay where another 
> eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last year, slammed into me from 
> behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame *almost* unscathed.
>
> OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many 
> years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor scuffs 
> and scrapes.
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Roger Morrison]

Patrick,  yes it is a first generation Cyclone GT(with matching front 
derailleur). The frame is big, at 68cm. I bought the frameset a few months 
ago, and built it up mostly with stuff that I had on hand. It is a good 
riding bike, but a little on the heavy side. 

Other notable parts:
Shimano 7402 shifters(set to friction mode)
Shimano BR70 brakes
Nitto dirt drop bars 
Sugino AT crankset minus the small ring 
B17 saddle 
Deore seatpost 
STX wheelset from a Trek 520
38mm Gravelkings 
Nitto M12 rack
Swift Industries bags

Probably a couple other things that I am forgetting..


Roger Morrison 
Snohomish, WA


On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 4:51:20 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Roger; I wish I had even your abilities with photographs. Again, a 
> very nice pseudo-Riv.
>
> The new photo emphasizes the height of the frame; yours with 700C wheels 
> looks much like mine (58 cm c-c, but upsloping tt) with 559 X 41 (25 3/5" 
> tall) wheels.
>
> And is that an old Suntour Cyclone rd? 
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 6:34 PM Roger Morrison  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Patrick. The fenders are Civia brand, and this is one of the 
>> colors that they came in( it's brick or clay looking). I bought them about 
>> eight or nine years ago. 
>>
>> Here's a photo that better captures the color.
>>
>> Roger in Snohomish(who needs to learn what time of day to take photos)
>>
>> [image: 3_20210325_184827_d6c1df071a39764a8416f82e461810728e2961c4.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:45:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Another very nice alt-Riv or Riv substitute. It may well be my eyes, but 
>>> are those wooden fenders, or simply painted to match the screen.
>>>
>>> Oh, and thank you for not pasting in a photo so big it expands the body 
>>> beyond typical window limits.
>>>
>>> I posted a photo of one of my pseudo-Rivs, the first Matthews (Matthews 
>>> 1:1). Here is another, Matthews 2:1. No verses to cite yet, tho' I may have 
>>> someone fix some relatively minor mishaps, after which it will be Matthews 
>>> 2:2. I have no Mark, Luke, or John.
>>>
>>> This is a simple clone of one of my Riv customs, but with all sorts of 
>>> tweaks and upgrades and modifications and features that Grant would never 
>>> countenance, such as: 118 mm OL spacing, home-made extra-long, extra-thin 
>>> rear dropouts to accommodate short Sturmey Archer axles, odd shifter 
>>> housing stop braze-ons, internal dynamo wiring, custom racks, and 
>>> picky-picky care to accommodate 42s with fenders with that 118 mm OL (turns 
>>> out I could have had it built with 114 OL: AM hub 114 mm, new/old Brit 
>>> fixed hub 110, and hopefully ASC -- we'll C if deal goes thru -- 114 mm OL; 
>>> otherwise 110 TF).
>>>
>>> And apologies for the really bad photo. I do try; this one was the 
>>> second attempt. I'll take a clearer one some day.
>>>
>>> Patrick "weird" Moore
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 2:40 PM Roger Morrison  wrote:
>>>
 I haven't found the super sized Riv yet. However I was able to build an 
 Expedition with a big box on it recently. I still need to sort out a 
 decaleur for it. [image: 20210516_110639.jpg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Leah Peterson]

In the spirit of our Pam I’m going out and trashing my dream bike in the rain! 
Right now.
Leah 

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> On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 PM, David Person  wrote:
> 
> Grant would be so proud of you.
> 
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting 
>> about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, and 
>> only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 1999 Joe 
>> Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell paint was 
>> largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated (nice 
>> powdercoat) in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right chainstay where 
>> another eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last year, slammed into me 
>> from behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame almost unscathed.
>> 
>> OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many 
>> years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor scuffs 
>> and scrapes.
>> 
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>> 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Update on my tire question

[David Person]

Sharp looking bike.  I run RH Snoqualmie Pass tires on my Hillborne and use 
the widest Mr. Tuffy's available for 700c tires.  That stops a lot of 
goatheads, though the protection is primarily in the center of the tire, 
about 33mm wide protection area.  So occasionally one will get through 
outside the protection zone.   Thankfully here is SoCal, goatheads are a 
problem in the fall only.  

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 5:50:36 PM UTC-7 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:

> A couple weeks ago, I asked for advice on my tires/flats issue and 
> tubeless. Well here is what I've done from all that information you lovely 
> people provided. I decided not to go tubeless, the wheels were too 
> expensive, and doing it without proper tubeless wheels seemed like too much 
> of a faff. I swapped my tires to Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, the standard 
> casing version. And I bought a bottle of the Muc-off inner tube sealant. I 
> haven't however, put it into my tubes. It arrived so much later than the 
> tires, and I just haven't gotten around to it. I've had one flat on the 
> tires so far, from our arch nemesis the goathead. The tires themselves 
> though, I am very pleased with. They roll sublimely and seem to cause me 
> less exertion. Maybe this is placebo effect, because I spent so much money 
> on them! But placebo or not, I really do like them. And I just adore how 
> they look. One niggle I have with them, is the fact that they don't 
> actually measure up to the full 2.3 inches. They measure just under 2.1 
> when pumped up to 30psi. Which is actually on par to what Rene Herse say 
> they will measure out to. I just don't get why they don't label them 2.1 
> inch. I can forgive this though, given the fact that both of these tires 
> combined, weigh less than one of my Marathons! So after about 350 km, no 
> sealant, and one puncture, I'm very pleased with them
> On a side note, whilst I had my wheels off, I finally removed the plastic 
> spoke protector. That saved me 36 grams, and Clementine the indignity of 
> that thing! But now I swear my hub sounds louder when coasting. Maybe the 
> disc was projecting the sound away from me. Oh well 🤷🏼‍♀️
> Christine in Denver
> [image: IMG_2098.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[David Person]

I have to confess to pampering my Hillborne.  Any nicks to the paint get 
touched up pretty quickly and I avoid riding it in the rain, thought that 
is pretty easy to do in SoCal.


On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 6:15:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> In the spirit of our Pam I’m going out and trashing my dream bike in the 
> rain! Right now.
> Leah 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 PM, David Person  wrote:
>
> Grant would be so proud of you.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting 
>> about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, and 
>> only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 1999 Joe 
>> Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell paint was 
>> largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated (*nice* 
>> powdercoat) 
>> in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right chainstay where another 
>> eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last year, slammed into me from 
>> behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame *almost* unscathed.
>>
>> OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many 
>> years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor scuffs 
>> and scrapes.
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[luckyturnip]

I loved reading this. My early-ish Atlantis has an amputated rack braze-on from 
a mishap we don’t discuss, and plenty of nicks and scratches. There’s something 
about it being an “all rounder” that leads me to just use it without being to 
concerned about damaging the finish. I love seeing hard used bikes and pampered 
bikes, as long as there are butts on bikes! 

> On May 16, 2021, at 18:24, David Person  wrote:
> 
> I have to confess to pampering my Hillborne.  Any nicks to the paint get 
> touched up pretty quickly and I avoid riding it in the rain, thought that is 
> pretty easy to do in SoCal.
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 6:15:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>> In the spirit of our Pam I’m going out and trashing my dream bike in the 
>> rain! Right now.
>> Leah 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 PM, David Person  wrote:
 
>>> Grant would be so proud of you.
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
> I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting 
> about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, 
> and only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 
> 1999 Joe Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell 
> paint was largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated 
> (nice powdercoat) in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right 
> chainstay where another eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last 
> year, slammed into me from behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame 
> almost unscathed.
> 
> OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many 
> years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor 
> scuffs and scrapes.
> 
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
> 
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[RBW] Re: Which Riv. mixte has the shortest chainstays?

[Jim M.]

Glorius, Betty Foy, and Yves Gomez were all made before the current long 
chainstay era. Great, beautiful bikes, but good look finding one. After 
that it would be the Cheviot. For comparison, a 55cm Chev has 50cm 
chainstays, whereas a 56 Susie has 54.

jim m
walnut creek, ca

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 7:06:24 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:

> Does this also equate to wheelbase?
>
> I store my bikes in the basement in winter and Sunroom the other seasons. 
>  Long bikes can be a problem. 
>
> Thanks. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Riv. mixte has the shortest chainstays?

[JRStern11 via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Jim, do they also have the old geometry where one would buy a larger 
bike than the current ones? My Bleriot is a 55cm where my Sam is a 51cm. I will 
try to hunt down tome geometry charts, I would think think the TT figures would 
be the most helpful,

Joel

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On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 10:16 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> Glorius, Betty Foy, and Yves Gomez were all made before the current long 
> chainstay era. Great, beautiful bikes, but good look finding one. After that 
> it would be the Cheviot. For comparison, a 55cm Chev has 50cm chainstays, 
> whereas a 56 Susie has 54.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 7:06:24 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Does this also equate to wheelbase?
>>
>> I store my bikes in the basement in winter and Sunroom the other seasons. 
>> Long bikes can be a problem.
>>
>> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Jason Fuller]

My thought is:  if you have more than one bike, it's reasonable to have a
pampered and immaculate one.  But everyone should have one bike that, even
if a beautiful bike, is ultimately about utility - and is treated as such!

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 6:54 PM  wrote:

> I loved reading this. My early-ish Atlantis has an amputated rack braze-on
> from a mishap we don’t discuss, and plenty of nicks and scratches. There’s
> something about it being an “all rounder” that leads me to just use it
> without being to concerned about damaging the finish. I love seeing hard
> used bikes and pampered bikes, as long as there are butts on bikes!
>
> On May 16, 2021, at 18:24, David Person  wrote:
>
> I have to confess to pampering my Hillborne.  Any nicks to the paint get
> touched up pretty quickly and I avoid riding it in the rain, thought that
> is pretty easy to do in SoCal.
>
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 6:15:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> In the spirit of our Pam I’m going out and trashing my dream bike in the
>> rain! Right now.
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 PM, David Person  wrote:
>>
>> Grant would be so proud of you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting
>>> about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, and
>>> only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 1999 Joe
>>> Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell paint was
>>> largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated (*nice* 
>>> powdercoat)
>>> in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right chainstay where another
>>> eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last year, slammed into me from
>>> behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame *almost* unscathed.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many
>>> years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor scuffs
>>> and scrapes.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Pam Bikes]

To keep track of miles I have a cyclometer.  This is my 3rd.  The first one 
came off my beginner bike which I had for about 4 1/2 years.  I rode it for 
5855 miles then when I got the Betty Foy I wondered if I'd ever ride it as 
much.  And now I ride more than than yearly.  My first cyclometer was a 
Blackburn then I got another one off ebay so I wouldn't need to change the 
mount but the wiring went bad - intermittantly stopping.  So I took the one 
off my daughter's bike.  It was given to me from someone who didn't use it 
anymore.  It's a Cateye Enduro.  The mount was broken in a crash but I 
fashioned a new one out of an old bike tube and a zip tie.  It's doing ok 
from 2 yrs ago.  These are the wired ones with the spoke magnet and CR2032 
battery.  When the display dims and I know I need to replace it, I write 
down the mileage and reprogram it.  

I've hauled all kinds of stuff on my Betty.  Just tonight I brought home a 
5 lb can of oyster sauce, some sesame oil, cooking wine and found a 5 
gallon soy sauce bucket at the dumpster.  The bucket was strapped to the 
rack with a John's Irish strap.  Then on the way home from my friends 
house, I found a floor lamp that I strapped on with a Voile strap.  

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 10:25:33 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> My thought is:  if you have more than one bike, it's reasonable to have a 
> pampered and immaculate one.  But everyone should have one bike that, even 
> if a beautiful bike, is ultimately about utility - and is treated as such!
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 6:54 PM  wrote:
>
>> I loved reading this. My early-ish Atlantis has an amputated rack 
>> braze-on from a mishap we don’t discuss, and plenty of nicks and scratches. 
>> There’s something about it being an “all rounder” that leads me to just use 
>> it without being to concerned about damaging the finish. I love seeing hard 
>> used bikes and pampered bikes, as long as there are butts on bikes! 
>>
>> On May 16, 2021, at 18:24, David Person  wrote:
>>
>> I have to confess to pampering my Hillborne.  Any nicks to the paint get 
>> touched up pretty quickly and I avoid riding it in the rain, thought that 
>> is pretty easy to do in SoCal.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 6:15:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In the spirit of our Pam I’m going out and trashing my dream bike in the 
>>> rain! Right now.
>>> Leah 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 PM, David Person  wrote:
>>>
>>> Grant would be so proud of you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting 
 about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, 
 and 
 only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 1999 Joe 
 Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell paint was 
 largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated (*nice* 
 powdercoat) 
 in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right chainstay where another 
 eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last year, slammed into me from 
 behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame *almost* unscathed.

 OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many 
 years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor scuffs 
 and scrapes.

 ---
 Patrick Moore
 Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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[RBW] Re: Update on my tire question

[Bones]

That bike looks awesome! I have a 59 Clem H in Grilver. Love it. It's 
slowly starting to look like something from Mad Max. I am curious about the 
tire width though. Those rims look like the stock DM24s, which are a hair 
wider than the Cliffhangers I use. I mounted Antelope Hills on them and 
they measured 56mm (slightly wider than advertised). Mine are tubeless 
though. Maybe that has an impact on the width. Either way, glad you like 
'em. Great tires. I hope some day you get the chance to try tubeless. I 
won't be going back to tubes on any of my larger tires.

Enjoy!
Bones

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 9:21:06 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sharp looking bike.  I run RH Snoqualmie Pass tires on my Hillborne and 
> use the widest Mr. Tuffy's available for 700c tires.  That stops a lot of 
> goatheads, though the protection is primarily in the center of the tire, 
> about 33mm wide protection area.  So occasionally one will get through 
> outside the protection zone.   Thankfully here is SoCal, goatheads are a 
> problem in the fall only.  
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 5:50:36 PM UTC-7 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> A couple weeks ago, I asked for advice on my tires/flats issue and 
>> tubeless. Well here is what I've done from all that information you lovely 
>> people provided. I decided not to go tubeless, the wheels were too 
>> expensive, and doing it without proper tubeless wheels seemed like too much 
>> of a faff. I swapped my tires to Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, the standard 
>> casing version. And I bought a bottle of the Muc-off inner tube sealant. I 
>> haven't however, put it into my tubes. It arrived so much later than the 
>> tires, and I just haven't gotten around to it. I've had one flat on the 
>> tires so far, from our arch nemesis the goathead. The tires themselves 
>> though, I am very pleased with. They roll sublimely and seem to cause me 
>> less exertion. Maybe this is placebo effect, because I spent so much money 
>> on them! But placebo or not, I really do like them. And I just adore how 
>> they look. One niggle I have with them, is the fact that they don't 
>> actually measure up to the full 2.3 inches. They measure just under 2.1 
>> when pumped up to 30psi. Which is actually on par to what Rene Herse say 
>> they will measure out to. I just don't get why they don't label them 2.1 
>> inch. I can forgive this though, given the fact that both of these tires 
>> combined, weigh less than one of my Marathons! So after about 350 km, no 
>> sealant, and one puncture, I'm very pleased with them
>> On a side note, whilst I had my wheels off, I finally removed the plastic 
>> spoke protector. That saved me 36 grams, and Clementine the indignity of 
>> that thing! But now I swear my hub sounds louder when coasting. Maybe the 
>> disc was projecting the sound away from me. Oh well 🤷🏼‍♀️
>> Christine in Denver
>> [image: IMG_2098.jpeg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Jeffrey S]

Jacob, The ride to Steep Ravine was harder than I expected, but totally 
doable. I was in full sunlight the whole way there so I got pretty hot. I 
had to walk my bike a few times. But it only took 3.5-4 hours to get there. 
And I was going pretty slow. The ride back was overcast and easier. But 
like others said, there are so many places to ride down there! The other 
thing is that it is really hard to get a site or cabin at Steep Ravine, so 
I'd look into that if you are interested in staying there.

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 12:54:18 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:

> Echoing Brendan, "The Bay Area is wonderful for all types of riding" here 
> we are riding a Gus and a Sam around Napa and Sonoma. The Gus was too much 
> for 46 miles of mostly rough road and street riding, but it sure was fun! 
> Napa to Sonoma by Ramal Rd, to the Plaza then Cavedale Rd ... which we 
> decided was too much to climb on the Gus so we turned around for paletas!
> [image: IMG_4510-min.jpg][image: IMG_4523-min.jpg][image: 
> IMG_4529-min.jpg][image: IMG_4551-min.jpg]
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