[RBW] Re: Ride differences between Bombadil and Appaloosa

[Joe Bernard]

The short version - having owned that Bombadil for a very short time and an 
Appaloosa longer - is nope! I don't think they feel exactly the same but I 
wouldn't say one is significantly faster or more comfortable than the 
other. The only reason I can think of to move on to an Appa is if you have 
a strong affection for the long stays (I do). Or you just like the Mermaid 
color and want a new Riv. That's also a good reason! 

Joe Bernard

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:26:24 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I know some of you are already chuckling, assuming my eyes are already 
> wandering towards a new project after only seven months on the Bombadil... 
> well fair, but mostly I am just looking to do my due diligence given that 
> a) Appa's are about to be available in Mermaid and b) at some point soon, 
> I'd be spending decent money on a liquid paint job and a few small braze-on 
> additions that the Joe already has.  
>
> I assume the two bikes ride pretty similarly and weigh pretty similar 
> amounts (the Bombadil, while a burlier bike in theory, is also Waterford 
> build with probably lighter tubing than Grant would use today), in which 
> case I'd stay with the Bombadil.  But my main use-case of the Bombadil, 
> especially in the future, is longer distance commuting (90%+ paved). So if 
> the Appa was noticably quicker and more comfortable, that would be very 
> interesting to me. I realize both are a bit overkill for that purpose, but 
> I want to keep it versatile for hauling stuff and has to be 650B due to the 
> expensive wheelset I just built. Mostly, I just want to initiate a 
> comparison discussion! 
>
> New paint would be either palm green / sand green VW bus colours (dark 
> olive green, and greenish-beige head tube and details), or flat grey with 
> cream headtube. Additions would be M6 rear rack mounts like the Appa has, 
> internal tail light routing, and triple bottle bosses on seat tube. 
>
> [image: PXL_20210501_231647339.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Billie Bar - stem length & wtb

[Ed Carolipio]

Maybe whatbars.com can help you make the choice? Noodles and Billie are in 
their database, but you'll have to pick a stand in for your Wavie bars 
(e.g., Surly Open, On One Mary). I use the comparisons to picture where my 
hand position would be on the new bars relative to where I typically place 
them on old bar, then I "shift" the bars mentally so the hand positions 
(new vs old) would be roughly the same distance from saddle-to-handlebar. 
That "shift" would be the difference between the old and the new stem.

[I went from a Billie to a Noodle on my Homer, so I dropped down from 110mm 
to 60mm, or about 50mm.]

--Ed C.
On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 5:49:11 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:

> Greetings
> I'm looking to try a Billie Bar on my App and unsure on stem length. I 
> think I'm leaning towards a slightly more aero position and would like to 
> have the grip/brake area not too far back.  I'd like to set them up so that 
> position is comfortable and upright but not an issue for steering or knee 
> hitting.  The issue is, I'm not all that long and general ride shorter 
> stems .
> * 9cm for Noodles on my S.H.
> * 8cm for flat waive-like bars on my App currently 
>
> I don't think the "3rd" position in the rounded forward part of the bar is 
> something I would use all that often but definitely the area in front of 
> the levers appeals to me as a primary riding position that sort-of mimics 
> riding on the hoods of a drop bar.
>
> Does anyone have suggestions on how long of a stem works best with these 
> bars?   My gut is saying 11cm but I'm concerned about purchasing such a 
> long stem and it feel way too out there.  It's a 55cm App with a roughly 
> 60cm effective top tube length 
>
> Also if anyone has a Bille Bar they would like to move on, please let me 
> know
> Thank you
> JS
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Billie Bar - stem length & wtb

[Brenden Perella]

Yes I do! 

I have them listed on eBay Currently but haven’t sold yet ! If you want to work 
a deal out more then happy too! 

Bren 

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5575378759&campid=5338273189&customid=&icep_item=333998262813&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg&toolid=1

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5575378759&campid=5338273189&customid=&icep_item=333998248098&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg&toolid=1


> On May 17, 2021, at 6:50 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
> 
> Brenden,
> If you still have the bars and stem for sale I am interested.
> Doug
> 
>> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 12:52:04 PM UTC-4 brenpe...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hey J , 
>> 
>> My name is Brenden and I have yet to post in the group yet but I do have a 
>> pair of Billie bars and a 12cm Tallux Stem to pair with it. I had the set up 
>> on my 59cm Atlantis and my 57cm Crust lightning bolt. If you would want to 
>> personally email me about price I’m more then happy to sell both the bars 
>> and stem to you! 
>> 
>> Thanks 
>> Brenden
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Apr 18, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Brenden Perella  wrote:
 
>>> Hey J , 
>>> 
>>> My name is Brenden and I have yet to post in the group yet but I do have a 
>>> pair of Billie bars and a 12cm Tallux Stem to pair with it. I had the set 
>>> up on my 59cm Atlantis and my 57cm Crust lightning bolt. If you would want 
>>> to personally email me about price I’m more then happy to sell both the 
>>> bars and stem to you! 
>>> 
>>> Thanks 
>>> Brenden 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Apr 18, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Garth  wrote:
> 
 
>> 
 JS , without being you, all I can say is go long, a 12 or 13. I have a 
 good selection of various open face stems so I can try any combo easily. I 
 find a combo of a threadless adapter and some cheap threadless 0 degree or 
 greater stems great for fitting and or keeping on the bike to ride. That 
 said, I'm not a fan of negative rise road stems with a long quill for 
 raising handlebars, it's self-defeating.  
 
 "Upright" is such a cliche' though and means nothing more than saying it. 
 Unless you're face planted everyone who rides a bike is upright to some 
 extent and it's always changing. People have different body types, 
 different flexibilities and certainly different sensibilities about 
 everything in general. How you're placed over the saddle and your foot 
 placement has a big influence on the upper body, so just concentrating on 
 the upper with considering everything else is misleading at best. Bike 
 riding is a whole body experience, not to mention the "white elephant" in 
 the room . which is we are not machines...mechanical.. material.. 
 we are to put it blunty  Infinity Itself.
 
 Riding for joy of Riding Itself. ... Because We Are. 
> On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 8:49:11 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
> Greetings
> I'm looking to try a Billie Bar on my App and unsure on stem length. I 
> think I'm leaning towards a slightly more aero position and would like to 
> have the grip/brake area not too far back.  I'd like to set them up so 
> that position is comfortable and upright but not an issue for steering or 
> knee hitting.  The issue is, I'm not all that long and general ride 
> shorter stems .
> * 9cm for Noodles on my S.H.
> * 8cm for flat waive-like bars on my App currently 
> 
> I don't think the "3rd" position in the rounded forward part of the bar 
> is something I would use all that often but definitely the area in front 
> of the levers appeals to me as a primary riding position that sort-of 
> mimics riding on the hoods of a drop bar.
> 
> Does anyone have suggestions on how long of a stem works best with these 
> bars?   My gut is saying 11cm but I'm concerned about purchasing such a 
> long stem and it feel way too out there.  It's a 55cm App with a roughly 
> 60cm effective top tube length 
> 
> Also if anyone has a Bille Bar they would like to move on, please let me 
> know
> Thank you
> JS
 
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[RBW] Re: Ride differences between Bombadil and Appaloosa

[Addison Quarles]

Wow, that bombadil is beautiful! 
I will be watching this thread as I’ve liquidated some things to get the 
cash necessary to buy an Appaloosa next month, and am always interested in 
being further talked into something I’ve already decided. 

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:57:37 PM UTC-7 nus...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not to hijack this thread (sorry, Jason!), but I've been pondering a 
> similar question in light of the soon-to-be-available Appaloosas: how 
> different is the ride between my Toyo Atlantis 
>  and a new long-chainstay 
> Appaloosa? My uses would be similar to Jason's--mostly around-town riding 
> with some gravel/single-track thrown in for good measure--so I'm hopeful 
> that my question isn't too far afield!
>
> Andrew in Denver
>
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 1:26:24 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I know some of you are already chuckling, assuming my eyes are already 
>> wandering towards a new project after only seven months on the Bombadil... 
>> well fair, but mostly I am just looking to do my due diligence given that 
>> a) Appa's are about to be available in Mermaid and b) at some point soon, 
>> I'd be spending decent money on a liquid paint job and a few small braze-on 
>> additions that the Joe already has.  
>>
>> I assume the two bikes ride pretty similarly and weigh pretty similar 
>> amounts (the Bombadil, while a burlier bike in theory, is also Waterford 
>> build with probably lighter tubing than Grant would use today), in which 
>> case I'd stay with the Bombadil.  But my main use-case of the Bombadil, 
>> especially in the future, is longer distance commuting (90%+ paved). So if 
>> the Appa was noticably quicker and more comfortable, that would be very 
>> interesting to me. I realize both are a bit overkill for that purpose, but 
>> I want to keep it versatile for hauling stuff and has to be 650B due to the 
>> expensive wheelset I just built. Mostly, I just want to initiate a 
>> comparison discussion! 
>>
>> New paint would be either palm green / sand green VW bus colours (dark 
>> olive green, and greenish-beige head tube and details), or flat grey with 
>> cream headtube. Additions would be M6 rear rack mounts like the Appa has, 
>> internal tail light routing, and triple bottle bosses on seat tube. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210501_231647339.jpg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice on handlebars

[Johnny Burrell]

Wow, thanks y'all, I appreciate the insights. I'm leaning toward the 
albatross bars and will give them a shot.

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 6:51:34 PM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:

> I can confirm that the Jones bar works very well on the Hunqapillar.   I 
> run typical MTB bars because most of my rides are short and it's what I've 
> ridden since 1995.  If I decide to start doing multi-hour rides, I'll put 
> the Jones bar back on. 
>
>
> [image: 20190324_075108.jpg]
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 1:47:42 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> So much depends on use case, since the Hunq can be built up so many ways. 
>> Mine is optimized for touring and grocery hauling, so it’s no lightweight. 
>> I’ve come to appreciate handlebar width over uprightness, to help me muscle 
>> the front end around when I have the basket and panniers fully loaded. I’ve 
>> run a few Bosco variants, and the non-bullmoose style were too flexy for 
>> me. I’ve settled on Jones loop H-bars, and they’re just great. That would 
>> require the purchase of a faceplate stem though, and probably quite a bit 
>> shorter than a 100 or 110. I’d also be tempted by the Tumbleweed Persuader, 
>> which would probably also require a shorter stem. Whatbars.com is a great 
>> resource for making comparisons. I’ve included a picture of my cockpit as 
>> well. 
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>
>> On May 16, 2021, at 9:04 AM, Johnny Burrell  wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Next week I'll get a new-to-me Hunqapillar and I don't prefer the current 
>> drop bars. I'd like to switch to a more upright setup, but unsure which. 
>> The Bullmoose caught my eye, I like the taper more than bars that come 
>> straight back. What other options are good ones? How does one go about 
>> correctly sizing and fitting new bars?  The stem is, i think, about 100-110 
>> which is my preference in this size bike. 
>>
>> school me and learn me up on how to pick out handlebars?
>>
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[RBW] WTT - 60cm Cheviot for 55cm

[exliontamer]

Lng shot but thought I'd ask. Looking for frame & fork(ideally plus 
seatpost, bb, etc). 

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[RBW] Re: Ride differences between Bombadil and Appaloosa

[Bones]

Jason, you had a Clem, correct? How does the Bombadil compare to that? I've 
never ridden a Bombadil, but compared to my Clem H (59), my Appaloosa (62 
2TT) always felt lighter, quicker and more roadish. I never actually 
compared their weight. In my mind the Clem always felt like it belongs 
primarily off the road and the Appaloosa on the road. So that's how I 
always had them set up. That said, I'm a pretty slim dude and I'm sure I 
could ride an Appaloosa as rough as I'd like without worrying about it 
breaking. I dig the long chainstays, and I'd bet the Appaloosa would be an 
improvement for the type of riding you are doing with it. If you need a 
54cm or larger its a moot point though, 700c only. Also, I had a 62 2TT 
Hillborne and that felt almost identical to the Appaloosa, maybe a hair 
more responsive. 

Bones

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 10:14:57 PM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:

> I've had similar thoughts about my 1st run Hunqapillar vs the Appaloosa or 
> the new 55 cm Atlantis.  From what I remember reading over the years, I 
> think the old Hunqapillars and Bombadils are probably quite a bit lighter 
> in weight than the Appaloosa and new Atlantis.  I remember seeing numbers 
> like "0.8 straight gauge" for the Bombadil and the Hunqapillar is supposed 
> to be very similar to the Bombadil in tubing.  OTOH, Will sent me the specs 
> on the Appaloosa tubing and it's thick, with several 1.x numbers in there.  
>
> In theory, the 54 Appaloosa should ride almost identically to my 54 
> Hunqapillar with the the exception of the chainstay length.  I would love 
> to ride them back-to-back.  
>
> I've thought about picking up a 55 Atlantis frameset when they come back 
> next year, but I've pretty much decided that if I did, I would hold on to 
> my Hunqapillar until I had some time on the Atlantis, and then I would 
> decide which one to keep.  Old Hunqapillars and Bombadils are not not easy 
> to come by.
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 2:26:24 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I know some of you are already chuckling, assuming my eyes are already 
>> wandering towards a new project after only seven months on the Bombadil... 
>> well fair, but mostly I am just looking to do my due diligence given that 
>> a) Appa's are about to be available in Mermaid and b) at some point soon, 
>> I'd be spending decent money on a liquid paint job and a few small braze-on 
>> additions that the Joe already has.  
>>
>> I assume the two bikes ride pretty similarly and weigh pretty similar 
>> amounts (the Bombadil, while a burlier bike in theory, is also Waterford 
>> build with probably lighter tubing than Grant would use today), in which 
>> case I'd stay with the Bombadil.  But my main use-case of the Bombadil, 
>> especially in the future, is longer distance commuting (90%+ paved). So if 
>> the Appa was noticably quicker and more comfortable, that would be very 
>> interesting to me. I realize both are a bit overkill for that purpose, but 
>> I want to keep it versatile for hauling stuff and has to be 650B due to the 
>> expensive wheelset I just built. Mostly, I just want to initiate a 
>> comparison discussion! 
>>
>> New paint would be either palm green / sand green VW bus colours (dark 
>> olive green, and greenish-beige head tube and details), or flat grey with 
>> cream headtube. Additions would be M6 rear rack mounts like the Appa has, 
>> internal tail light routing, and triple bottle bosses on seat tube. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210501_231647339.jpg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Joe Bernard]

I know, it was just funny to me when I got the stem and went through the 
whole process of holding the bar in place while I busied myself with 
threading 4 bolts in and doing the cross pattern over and over to get them 
evenly snugged up. Not the quick job I'd planned on! 


On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 8:16:59 PM UTC-7 will...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Joe - Not if you have wrapped and shellac’d your bars!
>
> Doug - Hot tip, call Rivendell and on occasion, they might have what you 
> need that just hasn’t made it on the site yet. That’s how I got my 110 
> faceplater.
>
> W
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Everyone's getting Billie Bars! I'll be interested to hear the reviews, 
> it seems like that bar never got much attention after it hit the shelves a 
> couple years ago. 
>
>
> Fun fact about the FacePlater (I got one recently): If you use lock-on 
> grips so everything is easily removable, it actually takes just as much 
> time to remove and replace 4 stem bolts as it does to loosen one and remove 
> and replace the stuff on the bars. Isn't that a fun fact?? 😁
>
> Joe "now wants Billie Bars too so he can be in with the cool crowd" Bernard
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 7:44:49 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>> Living next door to a Riv family would be so cool. We could ride and try 
>> different bar setups. I think I will try the Billie Bars and like you said 
>> could sell and try another bar if needed. Now on the stem length. I agree 
>> with Will that the new faceplater stem is the way to go to make bar 
>> switches easier but alas they are out of stock. No problem really as I'm 
>> doing a slow build.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:54:39 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo 
>>> on that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a 
>>> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver 
>>> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I 
>>> wonder if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and 
>>> we could try it out!
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops 
>>> on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my 
>>> Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to 
>>> hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) 
>>> and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
>>> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>>>
>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, 
>>> but the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too 
>>> close to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, 
>>> I have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts 
>>> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to 
>>> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. 
>>> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on 
>>> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, 
>>> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about 
>>> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos. 
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What 
>>> are your impressions?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
>>> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take 
>>> a file or grinder to it though.
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
 That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
 hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
 wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
 of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.

 Tom

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Bones]

When I spoke to Vince a few months ago he told me that the 52 Clem was 
something like 7-8cm longer than the 50cm Platypus. If the stock 52 Clem 
comes with a 10cm stem, in my mind that means go as long as on the stem as 
you can with any of the sweptback bars on the Platypus. Just for reference: 
on my Appaloosa I used both the Chocomoose (12cm extension) and Billies on 
a 12cm stem. I never grabbed them at the ends of the bars, and always 
wanted them to be just a tad farther away. Riv seems to have addressed that 
by making the latest generation of Appaloosa a tad longer.

Bones

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 11:02:39 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Everyone's getting Billie Bars! I'll be interested to hear the reviews, it 
> seems like that bar never got much attention after it hit the shelves a 
> couple years ago. 
>
> Fun fact about the FacePlater (I got one recently): If you use lock-on 
> grips so everything is easily removable, it actually takes just as much 
> time to remove and replace 4 stem bolts as it does to loosen one and remove 
> and replace the stuff on the bars. Isn't that a fun fact?? 😁
>
> Joe "now wants Billie Bars too so he can be in with the cool crowd" Bernard
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 7:44:49 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>> Living next door to a Riv family would be so cool. We could ride and try 
>> different bar setups. I think I will try the Billie Bars and like you said 
>> could sell and try another bar if needed. Now on the stem length. I agree 
>> with Will that the new faceplater stem is the way to go to make bar 
>> switches easier but alas they are out of stock. No problem really as I'm 
>> doing a slow build.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:54:39 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo 
>>> on that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a 
>>> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver 
>>> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I 
>>> wonder if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and 
>>> we could try it out!
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops 
>>> on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my 
>>> Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to 
>>> hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) 
>>> and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
>>> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>>>
>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, 
>>> but the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too 
>>> close to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, 
>>> I have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts 
>>> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to 
>>> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. 
>>> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on 
>>> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, 
>>> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about 
>>> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos. 
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What 
>>> are your impressions?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
>>> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take 
>>> a file or grinder to it though.
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
 That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
 hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
 wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
 of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.

 Tom

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Will Horton]

Joe - Not if you have wrapped and shellac’d your bars!

Doug - Hot tip, call Rivendell and on occasion, they might have what you need 
that just hasn’t made it on the site yet. That’s how I got my 110 faceplater.

W

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> On May 17, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Everyone's getting Billie Bars! I'll be interested to hear the reviews, it 
> seems like that bar never got much attention after it hit the shelves a 
> couple years ago. 
> 
> Fun fact about the FacePlater (I got one recently): If you use lock-on grips 
> so everything is easily removable, it actually takes just as much time to 
> remove and replace 4 stem bolts as it does to loosen one and remove and 
> replace the stuff on the bars. Isn't that a fun fact?? 😁
> 
> Joe "now wants Billie Bars too so he can be in with the cool crowd" Bernard
> 
>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 7:44:49 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>> Leah,
>> Living next door to a Riv family would be so cool. We could ride and try 
>> different bar setups. I think I will try the Billie Bars and like you said 
>> could sell and try another bar if needed. Now on the stem length. I agree 
>> with Will that the new faceplater stem is the way to go to make bar switches 
>> easier but alas they are out of stock. No problem really as I'm doing a slow 
>> build.
>> Doug
>> 
>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:54:39 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo on 
>>> that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a 
>>> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver 
>>> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I 
>>> wonder if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and 
>>> we could try it out!
>>> 
> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
> 
 I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops 
 on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my 
 Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open 
 to hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it 
 long) and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
 Doug
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> 
> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, 
>> but the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too 
>> close to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask 
>> why, I have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it 
>> hurts enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been 
>> known to sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this 
>> behavior by now. Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 
>> 225 mm Tallux) on there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just 
>> ordered a Billie bar, which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me 
>> enough, though it’s only about 1.5 inches further away from me than my 
>> Boscos. 
>> 
>> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What 
>> are your impressions?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Leah
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
>>> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to 
>>> take a file or grinder to it though.
>>> 
 On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
 That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
 hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's 
 pictured) wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too 
 narrow by a couple of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality 
 control issue I guess.
 
 Tom
>>> 
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[RBW] WTB: Bosco bars, 58cm version

[Gabriel Bruguier]

Hello all, 
I'm looking for a set of the 58cm Bosco bars.  If anyone has a set they'd 
like to sell, please contact me off list.  Thank you,
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Joe Bernard]

Everyone's getting Billie Bars! I'll be interested to hear the reviews, it 
seems like that bar never got much attention after it hit the shelves a 
couple years ago. 

Fun fact about the FacePlater (I got one recently): If you use lock-on 
grips so everything is easily removable, it actually takes just as much 
time to remove and replace 4 stem bolts as it does to loosen one and remove 
and replace the stuff on the bars. Isn't that a fun fact?? 😁

Joe "now wants Billie Bars too so he can be in with the cool crowd" Bernard

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 7:44:49 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Leah,
> Living next door to a Riv family would be so cool. We could ride and try 
> different bar setups. I think I will try the Billie Bars and like you said 
> could sell and try another bar if needed. Now on the stem length. I agree 
> with Will that the new faceplater stem is the way to go to make bar 
> switches easier but alas they are out of stock. No problem really as I'm 
> doing a slow build.
> Doug
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:54:39 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo 
>> on that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a 
>> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver 
>> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I 
>> wonder if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and 
>> we could try it out!
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>
>> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops 
>> on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my 
>> Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to 
>> hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) 
>> and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
>> Doug
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
>> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>>
>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, 
>> but the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too 
>> close to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, 
>> I have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts 
>> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to 
>> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. 
>> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on 
>> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, 
>> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about 
>> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos. 
>>
>> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are 
>> your impressions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Leah
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
>> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take 
>> a file or grinder to it though.
>>
>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
>>> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
>>> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
>>> of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Doug H.]

Leah,
Living next door to a Riv family would be so cool. We could ride and try 
different bar setups. I think I will try the Billie Bars and like you said 
could sell and try another bar if needed. Now on the stem length. I agree 
with Will that the new faceplater stem is the way to go to make bar 
switches easier but alas they are out of stock. No problem really as I'm 
doing a slow build.
Doug

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:54:39 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo on 
> that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a 
> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver 
> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I 
> wonder if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and 
> we could try it out!
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>
> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops 
> on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my 
> Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to 
> hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) 
> and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
> Doug
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>
> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, but 
> the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too close 
> to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, I 
> have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts 
> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to 
> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. 
> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on 
> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, 
> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about 
> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos. 
>
> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are 
> your impressions?
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take 
> a file or grinder to it though.
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
>> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
>> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
>> of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride differences between Bombadil and Appaloosa

[Chris L]

I've had similar thoughts about my 1st run Hunqapillar vs the Appaloosa or 
the new 55 cm Atlantis.  From what I remember reading over the years, I 
think the old Hunqapillars and Bombadils are probably quite a bit lighter 
in weight than the Appaloosa and new Atlantis.  I remember seeing numbers 
like "0.8 straight gauge" for the Bombadil and the Hunqapillar is supposed 
to be very similar to the Bombadil in tubing.  OTOH, Will sent me the specs 
on the Appaloosa tubing and it's thick, with several 1.x numbers in there.  

In theory, the 54 Appaloosa should ride almost identically to my 54 
Hunqapillar with the the exception of the chainstay length.  I would love 
to ride them back-to-back.  

I've thought about picking up a 55 Atlantis frameset when they come back 
next year, but I've pretty much decided that if I did, I would hold on to 
my Hunqapillar until I had some time on the Atlantis, and then I would 
decide which one to keep.  Old Hunqapillars and Bombadils are not not easy 
to come by.

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 2:26:24 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I know some of you are already chuckling, assuming my eyes are already 
> wandering towards a new project after only seven months on the Bombadil... 
> well fair, but mostly I am just looking to do my due diligence given that 
> a) Appa's are about to be available in Mermaid and b) at some point soon, 
> I'd be spending decent money on a liquid paint job and a few small braze-on 
> additions that the Joe already has.  
>
> I assume the two bikes ride pretty similarly and weigh pretty similar 
> amounts (the Bombadil, while a burlier bike in theory, is also Waterford 
> build with probably lighter tubing than Grant would use today), in which 
> case I'd stay with the Bombadil.  But my main use-case of the Bombadil, 
> especially in the future, is longer distance commuting (90%+ paved). So if 
> the Appa was noticably quicker and more comfortable, that would be very 
> interesting to me. I realize both are a bit overkill for that purpose, but 
> I want to keep it versatile for hauling stuff and has to be 650B due to the 
> expensive wheelset I just built. Mostly, I just want to initiate a 
> comparison discussion! 
>
> New paint would be either palm green / sand green VW bus colours (dark 
> olive green, and greenish-beige head tube and details), or flat grey with 
> cream headtube. Additions would be M6 rear rack mounts like the Appa has, 
> internal tail light routing, and triple bottle bosses on seat tube. 
>
> [image: PXL_20210501_231647339.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Jason Fuller]

Bones' experience about Albatross vs. Choco was very interesting to me!  
I've only used the Albatross between the two, and chalked up the difference 
between the two (functionally, at least) to simply different rise and reach 
numbers. But it's a good point that the increased rise on the Albatross 
means that flipped-up, the 'hooks' are not very ergonomic because they 
angle downwards too much; yet flipped the drop is so significant that a) 
you need huge stem rise and b) looks weird.  Both Choco and Billie address 
this, and I think they're both better bars as a result. They're basically 
interchangeable other than the Billie gives you a bit more forward range, 
and they flare out a bit more which imo gives increased bike control if you 
ride off-road too.   

To Kate's concern about the Choco being too short-reach, I totally get that 
concern but I am pretty sure that the Platy's are long enough that you 
don't need to worry. Assuming the ST dimension is typical for you, I'd bet 
a 10-11cm stem would get you right where you want to be.  I do wish full 
geometry tables were published for the Platy though! 
On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 18:52:14 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Hi Kate,
>
> I’ve had Albatross bars on my original Riv, a Betty with a 10 cm stem. 
> With those bars, I wanted to sit up and hold the ends of the bars with my 
> fingertips - too far for me. The Platy is much longer, so I really think 
> the Albatross would be too far, though I adore the look of them. The other 
> thing about the Albatross: not a lot of real estate to put your things on. 
> I like my iPhone mount and a Randi Jo bag and a mirror and bell on my bars, 
> and the curves of the Albatross prohibit good placement of these 
> accoutrements. The Billie Bar will give you a lot more room, I think. The 
> Chocos look promising if you don’t want the rise in your bar, and you can 
> put lots of stuff on it. 
>
> I think either Choco or Billie would make you very happy, and guess what? 
> If not, you can sell them on here and buy a different bar! It’s like $100 
> investment and has good resale value. Bars are easy to swap out and you can 
> do it right at home. Just choose something and try it out! Get that Platy 
> built and in your hands this week, I say!  
>
> Jason, I’m greatly encouraged by your opinion on the Billies. I have 
> wanted to slide my hands forward and never can because there are levers in 
> my way, and with the dip in the bar you cannot shift them forward. So I 
> always hang on to the grips. But how nice would it be to have THAT option? 
> I’ll soon know.
>
> Leah
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 5:50 PM, 'upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> This is the discussion for me!
> Handlebar decision is keeping me from hitting the green light on my Platy 
> build.  
> I just don't know.  
> Doug Hsame for me.  Drops on my road bike (riding 90% of the time on 
> the hoods)  and straight bars on my hybrid/mountain bike.
> I would like a sweep and maybe a slight rise but don't want to be in a 
> Mary Poppins position.  If it is too close to me and closes off the 
> cockpit, I will be super bummed.  Also, how does that even work with 
> climbing hills?  
> Vince at Riv is suggesting the Choco but I'm not sold.  
> Leaning towards Albatross.
> I might be losing sleep on this as I really need to pick something 
> likethis week.  
> Leah...Billie's also sound good.  
> I just don't know.
> Kate-Trenton, NJ
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:51:51 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops 
>> on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my 
>> Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to 
>> hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) 
>> and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
>> Doug
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
>> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>>
>>
>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, 
>> but the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too 
>> close to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, 
>> I have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts 
>> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to 
>> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. 
>> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on 
>> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, 
>> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only 

Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Will Horton]

We just swapped out Tosco bars on an 85cm fillet faceplater stem to Albatross 
bars with the same 85cm stem and sofar this has been perfect for Maia on her 55 
Platy who is appreciating the extra hand positions compared to the Tosco’s. 
More forward leaning, less Mary Poppins.

I say Albatross or Choco. If you go Choco, you will need a longer stem than the 
Albatross bars. Like I said, we are using an 85cm on the albatross bars and I 
am using a 110 with my Choco’s. 

I highly recommend getting a fillet faceplater stem as it makes swapping bars 
out later a lot easier, particularly if you have wrapped your bars and glued on 
cork grips and you hopefully have hinged clamps on your shifters. 

All this stuff is super hard to nail down since it’s so personal and like Leah 
said, take your best guess and sell later on if you need to, or just toss em in 
your stash for later like I do.

This is all part of the fun.

W

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2021, at 6:52 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kate,
> 
> I’ve had Albatross bars on my original Riv, a Betty with a 10 cm stem. With 
> those bars, I wanted to sit up and hold the ends of the bars with my 
> fingertips - too far for me. The Platy is much longer, so I really think the 
> Albatross would be too far, though I adore the look of them. The other thing 
> about the Albatross: not a lot of real estate to put your things on. I like 
> my iPhone mount and a Randi Jo bag and a mirror and bell on my bars, and the 
> curves of the Albatross prohibit good placement of these accoutrements. The 
> Billie Bar will give you a lot more room, I think. The Chocos look promising 
> if you don’t want the rise in your bar, and you can put lots of stuff on it. 
> 
> I think either Choco or Billie would make you very happy, and guess what? If 
> not, you can sell them on here and buy a different bar! It’s like $100 
> investment and has good resale value. Bars are easy to swap out and you can 
> do it right at home. Just choose something and try it out! Get that Platy 
> built and in your hands this week, I say!  
> 
> Jason, I’m greatly encouraged by your opinion on the Billies. I have wanted 
> to slide my hands forward and never can because there are levers in my way, 
> and with the dip in the bar you cannot shift them forward. So I always hang 
> on to the grips. But how nice would it be to have THAT option? I’ll soon know.
> 
> Leah
> 
>> On May 17, 2021, at 5:50 PM, 'upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This is the discussion for me!
>> Handlebar decision is keeping me from hitting the green light on my Platy 
>> build.  
>> I just don't know.  
>> Doug Hsame for me.  Drops on my road bike (riding 90% of the time on the 
>> hoods)  and straight bars on my hybrid/mountain bike.
>> I would like a sweep and maybe a slight rise but don't want to be in a Mary 
>> Poppins position.  If it is too close to me and closes off the cockpit, I 
>> will be super bummed.  Also, how does that even work with climbing hills?  
>> Vince at Riv is suggesting the Choco but I'm not sold.  
>> Leaning towards Albatross.
>> I might be losing sleep on this as I really need to pick something 
>> likethis week.  
>> Leah...Billie's also sound good.  
>> I just don't know.
>> Kate-Trenton, NJ
>> 
>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:51:51 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops on 
>>> the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my Clem 
>>> build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to hear 
>>> what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) and 
>>> agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
>>> Doug
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
 Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
 regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>>> 
 https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, 
> but the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too 
> close to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask 
> why, I have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it 
> hurts enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been 
> known to sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this 
> behavior by now. Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 
> 225 mm Tallux) on there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just 
> ordered a Billie bar, which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me 
> enough, though it’s only about 1.5 inches further away from me than my 
> Boscos. 
> 
> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What 

Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Leah Peterson]

Hi Kate,

I’ve had Albatross bars on my original Riv, a Betty with a 10 cm stem. With 
those bars, I wanted to sit up and hold the ends of the bars with my fingertips 
- too far for me. The Platy is much longer, so I really think the Albatross 
would be too far, though I adore the look of them. The other thing about the 
Albatross: not a lot of real estate to put your things on. I like my iPhone 
mount and a Randi Jo bag and a mirror and bell on my bars, and the curves of 
the Albatross prohibit good placement of these accoutrements. The Billie Bar 
will give you a lot more room, I think. The Chocos look promising if you don’t 
want the rise in your bar, and you can put lots of stuff on it. 

I think either Choco or Billie would make you very happy, and guess what? If 
not, you can sell them on here and buy a different bar! It’s like $100 
investment and has good resale value. Bars are easy to swap out and you can do 
it right at home. Just choose something and try it out! Get that Platy built 
and in your hands this week, I say!  

Jason, I’m greatly encouraged by your opinion on the Billies. I have wanted to 
slide my hands forward and never can because there are levers in my way, and 
with the dip in the bar you cannot shift them forward. So I always hang on to 
the grips. But how nice would it be to have THAT option? I’ll soon know.

Leah

> On May 17, 2021, at 5:50 PM, 'upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is the discussion for me!
> Handlebar decision is keeping me from hitting the green light on my Platy 
> build.  
> I just don't know.  
> Doug Hsame for me.  Drops on my road bike (riding 90% of the time on the 
> hoods)  and straight bars on my hybrid/mountain bike.
> I would like a sweep and maybe a slight rise but don't want to be in a Mary 
> Poppins position.  If it is too close to me and closes off the cockpit, I 
> will be super bummed.  Also, how does that even work with climbing hills?  
> Vince at Riv is suggesting the Choco but I'm not sold.  
> Leaning towards Albatross.
> I might be losing sleep on this as I really need to pick something 
> likethis week.  
> Leah...Billie's also sound good.  
> I just don't know.
> Kate-Trenton, NJ
> 
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:51:51 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops on 
> the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my Clem 
> build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to hear 
> what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) and 
> agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
> Doug
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
>> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
> 
>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars 
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, but 
>>> the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too close 
>>> to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, I 
>>> have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts 
>>> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to 
>>> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. 
>>> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on 
>>> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, 
>>> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about 
>>> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos. 
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are 
>>> your impressions?
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> Leah
>>> 
 On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett >>> > wrote:
 
 That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
 would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take 
 a file or grinder to it though.
 
 On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
 That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
 hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
 wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
 of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Billie Bar - stem length & wtb

[Doug H.]

Brenden,
If you still have the bars and stem for sale I am interested.
Doug

On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 12:52:04 PM UTC-4 brenpe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey J , 
>
> My name is Brenden and I have yet to post in the group yet but I do have a 
> pair of Billie bars and a 12cm Tallux Stem to pair with it. I had the set 
> up on my 59cm Atlantis and my 57cm Crust lightning bolt. If you would want 
> to personally email me about price I’m more then happy to sell both the 
> bars and stem to you! 
>
> Thanks 
> Brenden
>
>
>
> On Apr 18, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Brenden Perella  wrote:
>
> Hey J , 
>
> My name is Brenden and I have yet to post in the group yet but I do have a 
> pair of Billie bars and a 12cm Tallux Stem to pair with it. I had the set 
> up on my 59cm Atlantis and my 57cm Crust lightning bolt. If you would want 
> to personally email me about price I’m more then happy to sell both the 
> bars and stem to you! 
>
> Thanks 
> Brenden 
>
>
>
> On Apr 18, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
> 
>
> JS , without being you, all I can say is go long, a 12 or 13. I have a 
> good selection of various open face stems so I can try any combo easily. I 
> find a combo of a threadless adapter and some cheap threadless 0 degree or 
> greater stems great for fitting and or keeping on the bike to ride. That 
> said, I'm not a fan of negative rise road stems with a long quill for 
> raising handlebars, it's self-defeating.  
>
> "Upright" is such a cliche' though and means nothing more than saying it. 
> Unless you're face planted everyone who rides a bike is upright to some 
> extent and it's always changing. People have different body types, 
> different flexibilities and certainly different sensibilities about 
> everything in general. How you're placed over the saddle and your foot 
> placement has a big influence on the upper body, so just concentrating on 
> the upper with considering everything else is misleading at best. Bike 
> riding is a whole body experience, not to mention the "white elephant" in 
> the room . which is we are not machines...mechanical.. material.. 
> we are to put it blunty  Infinity Itself. 
>
> Riding for joy of Riding Itself. ... Because We Are. 
> On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 8:49:11 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Greetings
>> I'm looking to try a Billie Bar on my App and unsure on stem length. I 
>> think I'm leaning towards a slightly more aero position and would like to 
>> have the grip/brake area not too far back.  I'd like to set them up so that 
>> position is comfortable and upright but not an issue for steering or knee 
>> hitting.  The issue is, I'm not all that long and general ride shorter 
>> stems .
>> * 9cm for Noodles on my S.H.
>> * 8cm for flat waive-like bars on my App currently 
>>
>> I don't think the "3rd" position in the rounded forward part of the bar 
>> is something I would use all that often but definitely the area in front of 
>> the levers appeals to me as a primary riding position that sort-of mimics 
>> riding on the hoods of a drop bar.
>>
>> Does anyone have suggestions on how long of a stem works best with these 
>> bars?   My gut is saying 11cm but I'm concerned about purchasing such a 
>> long stem and it feel way too out there.  It's a 55cm App with a roughly 
>> 60cm effective top tube length 
>>
>> Also if anyone has a Bille Bar they would like to move on, please let me 
>> know
>> Thank you
>> JS
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bosque ride, all within 2 mile radius of home

[Patrick Moore]

I remember stopping during one cycling commute to work long ago to shepherd
a family of quail (a swarm of tiny little chicks with mother) trying to
cross a busy street, but only succeeded in scattering the chicks across the
adjoining field; good intention gone astray.

Our landscape is more severe than most, even the wooded area, but I do
enjoy it even during short rides.

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 6:05 PM Garth  wrote:

> Thanks for the story and the photos Patrick !
>
> I sometimes see turtles, some even quite large, crossing the roads around
> here. The roads aren't heavily travelled. At first there was the
> inclination to assist them across ... hah hah  a couple of snaps from
> the fella and well ... if they made it this far they sure can make it
> without any intervention .
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:19:06 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Monocog, 65" gear, 175 mm cranks. Depth to third knuckle of right
>> forefinger is 4". Each added cm to the tires' width really adds noticeable
>> float; width of course, but also the ~5 psi lower pressure it allows. (And
>> IME, taller wheels float better, all equal, and all equal, fatter means
>> taller, too. The Ranger wheels are 30 1/2" in diameter at least on my 27 mm
>> - outside - Alex rims.)
>>
>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 5:05 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> We're in a drought, with no rain for weeks (well, perhaps a sprinkle
>>> while I was away the week before last) so that sand is getting deeper and
>>> more widespread. I can make it through up to 4" with momentum, a good grip
>>> on the bar, and standing and pushing hard, at least for a couple of hundred
>>> yards, usually enough to get me through the bad patches, though I did have
>>> to get off and push in 2 places.
>>>
>>> The tracks are mine; the sand is deep enough to cover my forefinger to
>>> the 3d knuckle, and deeper yet; 3 1/2" at that point. I'd like, God
>>> willing, to get a new frame that can clear a true 80 in back, and some real
>>> tubeless wheels (current ones are converted tube wheels) with wider rims to
>>> get the full 3" width of the WTB Rangers, and be able to drop pressure to
>>> say 10 psi without fear of the tire burping.
>>>
>>> Tortoises: I've never seen them in the bosque before, and I've been
>>> riding here at least 17 years. The solitary actually had a friend sitting
>>> right behind him, but friend was shy. The other couple sat in the water a
>>> mile or so south.
>>>
>>> Beavers! I've never seen one, but evidence exists!
>>>
>>> Threatening rain, or perhaps teasing; don't expect any really to fall.
>>> We hope that the "monsoon" in July, August, September will bring real rain.
>>>
>>> 12 1/2 miles of hard work, all dirt, much firm but also much sand; 9.23
>>> mph with frequent stops. I'm very lucky all this is accessible just a
>>> stone's throw from my driveway.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Doug H.]

Kate,
I rode the hoods most of the time too, rarely in the drops unless my lower
back needed a stretch. I'm thinking Choco or Billie but the decision is oh
so hard!. Once I make the final decision on bars, stem length is next. Oh
bother. Stem/bars are so integral that making the wrong decision on one is
problematic. Or is it? As I type I'm thinking that any bar could be made to
work with the right stem length. H.
Doug H
Athens, Ga

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 8:50 PM 'upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> This is the discussion for me!
> Handlebar decision is keeping me from hitting the green light on my Platy
> build.
> I just don't know.
> Doug Hsame for me.  Drops on my road bike (riding 90% of the time on
> the hoods)  and straight bars on my hybrid/mountain bike.
> I would like a sweep and maybe a slight rise but don't want to be in a
> Mary Poppins position.  If it is too close to me and closes off the
> cockpit, I will be super bummed.  Also, how does that even work with
> climbing hills?
> Vince at Riv is suggesting the Choco but I'm not sold.
> Leaning towards Albatross.
> I might be losing sleep on this as I really need to pick something
> likethis week.
> Leah...Billie's also sound good.
> I just don't know.
> Kate-Trenton, NJ
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:51:51 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops
>> on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my
>> Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to
>> hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long)
>> and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me.
>> Doug
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers
>> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>>
>>
>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars,
>> but the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too
>> close to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why,
>> I have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts
>> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to
>> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now.
>> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on
>> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar,
>> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about
>> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos.
>>
>> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are
>> your impressions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Leah
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it
>> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take
>> a file or grinder to it though.
>>
>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to
>>> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured)
>>> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple
>>> of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Bones]

P.S. Kate, I'm with Vince on this one. If you are used to drops the Choco 
does offer better hand positions, especially if you don't need them up 
high. I've used Albatross bars a bunch but I have always come back to the 
Chocos (especially inverted). Every time I ride Albatross bars I end up 
putting my hands all the way forward and they just aren't as comfortable 
there as they are on the Choco. Albatross wins for style, Choco wins for 
function.

Bones

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 9:00:38 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> I think it really all depends on where you like to put your hands. I love 
> the Billie Bars too, because I like to move my hands back and forth. My 
> wife only ever seemed to hold the end of the Boscos on her 52 Clem (10cm 
> stem), so when I put her Platypus together I had two options ready: more 
> Boscos on a 12-13cm Tallux or Albatross on an 85cm fillet brazed 
> flaceplater. In the end I chose the Boscos for aesthetic purposes. No doubt 
> I would have had to max out the stem to make the Billies or Chocos work. 
> Rise was as big a factor as reach for her. You can accomplish the same 
> thing a few different ways. With respect to the hand positions on the 
> Boscos, that forward position seems to work best when the bars are angled 
> down a good bit and/or low enough.
>
> Bones
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 7:22:43 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Leah, I think you absolutely made the right call going with a Billie 
>> bar.  That bar has bar-none (heh) the largest range of fore-aft hand 
>> positions of the options I'm familiar with.  On the Boscos, while it's 
>> common practice to wrap the bar ahead of the brake lever, I don't see how 
>> anyone makes decent use of this area as a hand position.  However, while 
>> the Billie extends back almost as far for cruising along, you can very 
>> comfortably and naturally slide your hands all the way into the front 
>> "hooks", which is a bunch of inches forward.  These bars are so long your 
>> stem length does little more than determine where along the bar you put 
>> your brake levers - I suggest positioning them for your most popular hand 
>> position;  Rivendell puts them further back on the bar than I would, I like 
>> 1.5 grip's worth about behind the levers, and it's still comfortable to put 
>> your hands forward even if they rest atop the levers partially.  
>>
>> Tangentially related, a surprise benefit to the Paul levers, beyond their 
>> incredibly smooth operation, is that the clamp is extremely low profile and 
>> therefore comfortable to rest your hands on.  
>>
>> My attachment is my opinion on the useful grip area of the Bosco (left) 
>> and the Billie (right)
>>
>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 4:05 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Where are you located, Doug? I have an Albatross in the garage you could 
>>> try in Sacramento. 
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 15:59, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah,
>>> The Billie Bar is intriguing. I would love to be able to try out some 
>>> bars before committing to one. Feedback always helps though. You’re right 
>>> the top tube is s long even on the earlier Clems. I think on the 52 H 
>>> the ETT is about 60 cm. So I will need something swept back for sure. 
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo 
>>> on that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a 
>>> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver 
>>> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I 
>>> wonder if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and 
>>> we could try it out!
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops 
>>> on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my 
>>> Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to 
>>> hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) 
>>> and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
>>> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>>>
>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, 
>>> but the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too 
>>> close to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, 
>>> I have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts 
>>> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to 
>>> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to thi

Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Bones]

I think it really all depends on where you like to put your hands. I love 
the Billie Bars too, because I like to move my hands back and forth. My 
wife only ever seemed to hold the end of the Boscos on her 52 Clem (10cm 
stem), so when I put her Platypus together I had two options ready: more 
Boscos on a 12-13cm Tallux or Albatross on an 85cm fillet brazed 
flaceplater. In the end I chose the Boscos for aesthetic purposes. No doubt 
I would have had to max out the stem to make the Billies or Chocos work. 
Rise was as big a factor as reach for her. You can accomplish the same 
thing a few different ways. With respect to the hand positions on the 
Boscos, that forward position seems to work best when the bars are angled 
down a good bit and/or low enough.

Bones

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 7:22:43 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Leah, I think you absolutely made the right call going with a Billie bar.  
> That bar has bar-none (heh) the largest range of fore-aft hand positions of 
> the options I'm familiar with.  On the Boscos, while it's common practice 
> to wrap the bar ahead of the brake lever, I don't see how anyone makes 
> decent use of this area as a hand position.  However, while the Billie 
> extends back almost as far for cruising along, you can very comfortably and 
> naturally slide your hands all the way into the front "hooks", which is a 
> bunch of inches forward.  These bars are so long your stem length does 
> little more than determine where along the bar you put your brake levers - 
> I suggest positioning them for your most popular hand position;  Rivendell 
> puts them further back on the bar than I would, I like 1.5 grip's worth 
> about behind the levers, and it's still comfortable to put your hands 
> forward even if they rest atop the levers partially.  
>
> Tangentially related, a surprise benefit to the Paul levers, beyond their 
> incredibly smooth operation, is that the clamp is extremely low profile and 
> therefore comfortable to rest your hands on.  
>
> My attachment is my opinion on the useful grip area of the Bosco (left) 
> and the Billie (right)
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 4:05 PM  wrote:
>
>> Where are you located, Doug? I have an Albatross in the garage you could 
>> try in Sacramento. 
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 15:59, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>
>> Leah,
>> The Billie Bar is intriguing. I would love to be able to try out some 
>> bars before committing to one. Feedback always helps though. You’re right 
>> the top tube is s long even on the earlier Clems. I think on the 52 H 
>> the ETT is about 60 cm. So I will need something swept back for sure. 
>> Doug
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo 
>> on that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a 
>> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver 
>> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I 
>> wonder if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and 
>> we could try it out!
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>
>> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops 
>> on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my 
>> Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to 
>> hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) 
>> and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
>> Doug
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
>> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>>
>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, 
>> but the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too 
>> close to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, 
>> I have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts 
>> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to 
>> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. 
>> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on 
>> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, 
>> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about 
>> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos. 
>>
>> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are 
>> your impressions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Leah
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
>> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft alu

Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

['upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This is the discussion for me!
Handlebar decision is keeping me from hitting the green light on my Platy 
build.  
I just don't know.  
Doug Hsame for me.  Drops on my road bike (riding 90% of the time on 
the hoods)  and straight bars on my hybrid/mountain bike.
I would like a sweep and maybe a slight rise but don't want to be in a Mary 
Poppins position.  If it is too close to me and closes off the cockpit, I 
will be super bummed.  Also, how does that even work with climbing hills?  
Vince at Riv is suggesting the Choco but I'm not sold.  
Leaning towards Albatross.
I might be losing sleep on this as I really need to pick something 
likethis week.  
Leah...Billie's also sound good.  
I just don't know.
Kate-Trenton, NJ

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:51:51 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops 
> on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my 
> Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to 
> hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) 
> and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
> Doug
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>
>
> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, but 
> the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too close 
> to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, I 
> have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts 
> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to 
> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. 
> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on 
> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, 
> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about 
> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos. 
>
> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are 
> your impressions?
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take 
> a file or grinder to it though.
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
>> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
>> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
>> of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Doug H.]

Lucky,
I'm in Athens, Ga but I appreciate the offer!
Doug

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> Where are you located, Doug? I have an Albatross in the garage you could 
> try in Sacramento. 
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 15:59, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>
> Leah,
>
> The Billie Bar is intriguing. I would love to be able to try out some bars 
> before committing to one. Feedback always helps though. You’re right the 
> top tube is s long even on the earlier Clems. I think on the 52 H the 
> ETT is about 60 cm. So I will need something swept back for sure. 
> Doug
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo 
> on that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a 
> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver 
> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I 
> wonder if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and 
> we could try it out!
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>
> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops 
> on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my 
> Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to 
> hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) 
> and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
> Doug
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>
> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, but 
> the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too close 
> to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, I 
> have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts 
> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to 
> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. 
> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on 
> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, 
> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about 
> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos. 
>
> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are 
> your impressions?
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take 
> a file or grinder to it though.
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
>> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
>> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
>> of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Jason Fuller]

Leah, I think you absolutely made the right call going with a Billie bar.
That bar has bar-none (heh) the largest range of fore-aft hand positions of
the options I'm familiar with.  On the Boscos, while it's common practice
to wrap the bar ahead of the brake lever, I don't see how anyone makes
decent use of this area as a hand position.  However, while the Billie
extends back almost as far for cruising along, you can very comfortably and
naturally slide your hands all the way into the front "hooks", which is a
bunch of inches forward.  These bars are so long your stem length does
little more than determine where along the bar you put your brake levers -
I suggest positioning them for your most popular hand position;  Rivendell
puts them further back on the bar than I would, I like 1.5 grip's worth
about behind the levers, and it's still comfortable to put your hands
forward even if they rest atop the levers partially.

Tangentially related, a surprise benefit to the Paul levers, beyond their
incredibly smooth operation, is that the clamp is extremely low profile and
therefore comfortable to rest your hands on.

My attachment is my opinion on the useful grip area of the Bosco (left) and
the Billie (right)

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 4:05 PM  wrote:

> Where are you located, Doug? I have an Albatross in the garage you could
> try in Sacramento.
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 15:59, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>
> Leah,
> The Billie Bar is intriguing. I would love to be able to try out some bars
> before committing to one. Feedback always helps though. You’re right the
> top tube is s long even on the earlier Clems. I think on the 52 H the
> ETT is about 60 cm. So I will need something swept back for sure.
> Doug
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo
> on that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a
> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver
> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I
> wonder if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and
> we could try it out!
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford 
> wrote:
>
> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops
> on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my
> Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to
> hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long)
> and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me.
> Doug
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers
> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>
> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, but
> the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too close
> to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, I
> have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts
> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to
> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now.
> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on
> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar,
> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about
> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos.
>
> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are
> your impressions?
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett 
> wrote:
>
> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it
> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take
> a file or grinder to it though.
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to
>> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured)
>> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple
>> of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[luckyturnip]

Where are you located, Doug? I have an Albatross in the garage you could try in 
Sacramento. 

> On May 17, 2021, at 15:59, Doug Hansford  wrote:
> 
> Leah,
> The Billie Bar is intriguing. I would love to be able to try out some bars 
> before committing to one. Feedback always helps though. You’re right the top 
> tube is s long even on the earlier Clems. I think on the 52 H the ETT is 
> about 60 cm. So I will need something swept back for sure. 
> Doug
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>> 
>> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo on 
>> that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a 
>> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver 
>> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I wonder 
>> if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and we could 
>> try it out!
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops on 
>>> the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my Clem 
>>> build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to hear 
>>> what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) and 
>>> agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
>>> Doug
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  
> wrote:
> 
 Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
 regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
 https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  
> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, 
> but the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too 
> close to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask 
> why, I have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it 
> hurts enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been 
> known to sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this 
> behavior by now. Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 
> 225 mm Tallux) on there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just 
> ordered a Billie bar, which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me 
> enough, though it’s only about 1.5 inches further away from me than my 
> Boscos. 
> 
> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are 
> your impressions?
> 
> Thanks!
> Leah
> 
>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
>> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to 
>> take a file or grinder to it though.
>> 
>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
>>> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's 
>>> pictured) wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow 
>>> by a couple of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control 
>>> issue I guess.
>>> 
>>> Tom
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Bosque ride, all within 2 mile radius of home

[Garth]

Thanks for the story and the photos Patrick !   

I sometimes see turtles, some even quite large, crossing the roads around 
here. The roads aren't heavily travelled. At first there was the 
inclination to assist them across ... hah hah  a couple of snaps from 
the fella and well ... if they made it this far they sure can make it 
without any intervention . 

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:19:06 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Monocog, 65" gear, 175 mm cranks. Depth to third knuckle of right 
> forefinger is 4". Each added cm to the tires' width really adds noticeable 
> float; width of course, but also the ~5 psi lower pressure it allows. (And 
> IME, taller wheels float better, all equal, and all equal, fatter means 
> taller, too. The Ranger wheels are 30 1/2" in diameter at least on my 27 mm 
> - outside - Alex rims.)
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 5:05 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> We're in a drought, with no rain for weeks (well, perhaps a sprinkle 
>> while I was away the week before last) so that sand is getting deeper and 
>> more widespread. I can make it through up to 4" with momentum, a good grip 
>> on the bar, and standing and pushing hard, at least for a couple of hundred 
>> yards, usually enough to get me through the bad patches, though I did have 
>> to get off and push in 2 places. 
>>
>> The tracks are mine; the sand is deep enough to cover my forefinger to 
>> the 3d knuckle, and deeper yet; 3 1/2" at that point. I'd like, God 
>> willing, to get a new frame that can clear a true 80 in back, and some real 
>> tubeless wheels (current ones are converted tube wheels) with wider rims to 
>> get the full 3" width of the WTB Rangers, and be able to drop pressure to 
>> say 10 psi without fear of the tire burping. 
>>
>> Tortoises: I've never seen them in the bosque before, and I've been 
>> riding here at least 17 years. The solitary actually had a friend sitting 
>> right behind him, but friend was shy. The other couple sat in the water a 
>> mile or so south.
>>
>> Beavers! I've never seen one, but evidence exists! 
>>
>> Threatening rain, or perhaps teasing; don't expect any really to fall. We 
>> hope that the "monsoon" in July, August, September will bring real rain.
>>
>> 12 1/2 miles of hard work, all dirt, much firm but also much sand; 9.23 
>> mph with frequent stops. I'm very lucky all this is accessible just a 
>> stone's throw from my driveway.
>>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Jon Dukeman]

I have 100mm NITTO Talluxx. With 58 Boscos
It feels close. The bike feels squirelly on steep hills. I need to do a
longer ride to determine how it feels
I'm going to switch to 120 tallux 225 quill ,25.4 clamp per Vinces
suggestion..
Jon

On Mon, May 17, 2021, 4:37 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, but
> the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too close
> to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, I
> have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts
> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to
> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now.
> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on
> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar,
> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about
> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos.
>
> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are
> your impressions?
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett 
> wrote:
>
> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it
> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take
> a file or grinder to it though.
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to
>> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured)
>> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple
>> of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
>>
>> Tom
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Doug Hansford]

Leah,
The Billie Bar is intriguing. I would love to be able to try out some bars 
before committing to one. Feedback always helps though. You’re right the top 
tube is s long even on the earlier Clems. I think on the 52 H the ETT is 
about 60 cm. So I will need something swept back for sure. 
Doug

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> On May 17, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo on 
> that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a 
> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver 
> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I wonder 
> if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and we could 
> try it out!
> 
>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>> 
>> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops on 
>> the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my Clem 
>> build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to hear 
>> what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) and 
>> agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
>> Doug
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
 
>>> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
>>> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
 On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
 
 Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, but 
 the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too close 
 to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, I 
 have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts 
 enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to 
 sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. 
 Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on 
 there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, 
 which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only 
 about 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos. 
 
 Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are 
 your impressions?
 
 Thanks!
 Leah
 
> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
> 
> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to 
> take a file or grinder to it though.
> 
>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
>> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
>> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a 
>> couple of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I 
>> guess.
>> 
>> Tom
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Leah Peterson]

Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo on that 
2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a reach! I 
don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver Clem, and 
those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I wonder if your Clem 
would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and we could try it out!

> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
> 
> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops on 
> the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my Clem 
> build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to hear 
> what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) and 
> agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
> Doug
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> 
>> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
>> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars 
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, but 
>>> the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too close 
>>> to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, I 
>>> have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts 
>>> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to 
>>> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. 
>>> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on 
>>> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, 
>>> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about 
>>> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos. 
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are 
>>> your impressions?
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> Leah
>>> 
 On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett >>> > wrote:
 
 That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
 would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take 
 a file or grinder to it though.
 
 On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
 That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
 hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
 wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
 of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
 
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Doug Hansford]

I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops on the 
road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my Clem build. 
Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to hear what 
others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) and agree 
with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
Doug

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, but 
>> the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too close 
>> to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, I have 
>> no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts enough 
>> that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to sing and 
>> dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. Anyway, I 
>> have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on there 
>> because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, which I’m 
>> hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about 1.5 inches 
>> further away from me than my Boscos. 
>> 
>> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are 
>> your impressions?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Leah
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
>>> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take 
>>> a file or grinder to it though.
>>> 
 On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
 That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
 hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
 wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
 of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
 
 Tom
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Leah Peterson]

Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers regarding 
Rivendell’s bar lineup:
https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, but 
> the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too close to 
> me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, I have no 
> idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts enough that I 
> have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to sing and dance on 
> my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. Anyway, I have a 9 cm 
> Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on there because the 10 cm 
> wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, which I’m hoping pulls the 
> bars away from me enough, though it’s only about 1.5 inches further away from 
> me than my Boscos. 
> 
> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are 
> your impressions?
> 
> Thanks!
> Leah
> 
>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett > > wrote:
>> 
>> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it would 
>> not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take a file 
>> or grinder to it though.
>> 
>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to hear 
>> an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) wouldn't 
>> fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple of mm.  So 
>> I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
>> 
>> Tom
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Leah Peterson]

Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, but the 
more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too close to me. I 
have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, I have no idea and 
it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts enough that I have 
actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to sing and dance on my bike 
so the locals are used to this behavior by now. Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL 
stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on there because the 10 cm wasn’t 
available. I just ordered a Billie bar, which I’m hoping pulls the bars away 
from me enough, though it’s only about 1.5 inches further away from me than my 
Boscos. 

Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are your 
impressions?

Thanks!
Leah

> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
> 
> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it would 
> not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take a file 
> or grinder to it though.
> 
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to hear 
> an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) wouldn't 
> fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple of mm.  So I 
> got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
> 
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: 700c Wheel recommendations

[Garth]

Kushan, You can get custom builds straight from Velocity for $450 straight 
gauge/$480 double butted spokes with their ATB hubs(black powdercoat only 
if that matters). They offer off-menu(phone is best) the Cliffhanger in 
non-machined, non-polished silver.

http://store.velocityusa.com/c/wheels_touring

Also, email Rich @Riv and see what he can do for you with either 
Cliffhangers or whatever other rims he may have. You never know unless you 
ask ! With Deore hubs they're entirely reasonable. 

I wouldn't bother with Atlas rims either as the wider rim is more 
beneficial for the tires you want to run. Cliffhangers aren't overkill for 
your purposes at all. I'd call a rim that weighs say 900g like a Ryde Andra 
30 overkill. 
On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 5:01:37 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:

> Hi all - 
>
> I am looking for some 700c wheel recommendations for an Appaloosa build 
> project. I plan to use it for everyday recreational riding and long weekend 
> rides (50-100 miles). While most of my riding will be on paved roads, I 
> don't want to worry if I hit an occasional dirt or gravel patch on the way 
> (I currently ride a Roadini and off road riding isn't very confidence 
> inspiring). I don't plan to carry much weight on the bike but I am a heavy 
> fella (200+ lbs) so the wheel effectively will end up carrying some weight. 
> I plan to set it up as tubed but, if possible, would like to try tubeless 
> conversion in future as well (though this is not a dealbreaker). I plan to 
> run 48 - 50 mm tires. 
>
> Custom builds are out of budget so I am looking for some recommendation on 
> full wheelsets (new or used). My current top contender is Velocity 
> Cliffhangers 
> .
>  
> While this checks all the boxes above, my main concern is whether they are 
> overkill for my mostly payment riding style. 
>
> Best
> Kushan 
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[RBW] Re: Bosque ride, all within 2 mile radius of home

[Patrick Moore]

Monocog, 65" gear, 175 mm cranks. Depth to third knuckle of right
forefinger is 4". Each added cm to the tires' width really adds noticeable
float; width of course, but also the ~5 psi lower pressure it allows. (And
IME, taller wheels float better, all equal, and all equal, fatter means
taller, too. The Ranger wheels are 30 1/2" in diameter at least on my 27 mm
- outside - Alex rims.)

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 5:05 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> We're in a drought, with no rain for weeks (well, perhaps a sprinkle while
> I was away the week before last) so that sand is getting deeper and more
> widespread. I can make it through up to 4" with momentum, a good grip on
> the bar, and standing and pushing hard, at least for a couple of hundred
> yards, usually enough to get me through the bad patches, though I did have
> to get off and push in 2 places.
>
> The tracks are mine; the sand is deep enough to cover my forefinger to the
> 3d knuckle, and deeper yet; 3 1/2" at that point. I'd like, God willing, to
> get a new frame that can clear a true 80 in back, and some real tubeless
> wheels (current ones are converted tube wheels) with wider rims to get the
> full 3" width of the WTB Rangers, and be able to drop pressure to say 10
> psi without fear of the tire burping.
>
> Tortoises: I've never seen them in the bosque before, and I've been riding
> here at least 17 years. The solitary actually had a friend sitting right
> behind him, but friend was shy. The other couple sat in the water a mile or
> so south.
>
> Beavers! I've never seen one, but evidence exists!
>
> Threatening rain, or perhaps teasing; don't expect any really to fall. We
> hope that the "monsoon" in July, August, September will bring real rain.
>
> 12 1/2 miles of hard work, all dirt, much firm but also much sand; 9.23
> mph with frequent stops. I'm very lucky all this is accessible just a
> stone's throw from my driveway.
>
> --
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Re: rides sought

[luckyturnip]

Great info! Will look into this, thank you!

> On May 17, 2021, at 13:59, Keith Weaver  wrote:
> 
> 
> I camped at Mckerricher state park a few weeks ago, near Fort Bragg, and 
> found a couple of good rides. One is along the coast, between Fort Bragg and 
> Mckerricher. This is a paved, very flat trail. The next ride is in the 
> Jackson State Demonstration Forest, near Mendocino. I started fairly high up 
> the slope, along the Forest History trails. This was very steep, I wouldn't 
> recommend it too highly, unless you want steep MTB action. 
> 
> When I got to the lower portions of the trails, I had a lot of fun riding 
> along the Big River. It was relatively flat, smooth soil with some gravel. I 
> didn't go all the way along the trail, due to time, but it had to be a couple 
> of miles long at least. This would be from the intersection of Road 700 & 
> Road 730. I think Trailforks calls this the Big River Haul Road, and it looks 
> like it goes all the way to Mendocino.
> 
> I found a site describing a new trail in this area with a bit of climbing, 
> it's the Observatory Trail. Below are a couple of links that may be helpful.
> https://www.brewerygulchinn.com/the-view-from-the-gulch/the-forest-history-trail
> https://www.trailforks.com/trails/observatory-trail-aka-ot/
> https://www.advocate-news.com/2021/04/08/new-multi-use-trail-opens-in-jackson-forest/
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:07 PM Lucky Turnip  wrote:
>> Thanks for your reply. The scenery there is gorgeous (bikes included!) 
>> I guess what I am wondering is if there are any favorite trails people have 
>> to recommend in that area, we can put the bikes on the car to get there if 
>> necessary (sometimes the only way to get to the ride with young kids.)
>> Can be mildly technical MTB or paved or gravel, our bikes do it all. :)
>> 
>>> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 9:25 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I know it’s not about the purple Glorius, but 🤩. I saw that bike and 
>>> thought, we have got to introduce this woman and her bike to Ana, of 
>>> PurpleRiv fame. Ana’s got a custom in a deeper purple and it is basically a 
>>> Glorius. These two would get along!
>>> 
 On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 9:05:09 AM UTC-7 redsf wrote:
 My kids had a great time riding around the campground and out to the 
 beach.  As I recall the trail to the beach was not designed for bikes, but 
 our 9-12 year olds manage, we walked.  You could also bike into town for 
 ice cream from the campground.  We then spent a couple nights at Salt 
 Point State Park and we did some more riding there.  They promote some 
 mountain bike trails, but you can also ride down to and along the coast 
 from your campsite.  We brought our Sam, a beautiful purple Glorious, a 
 saved from the junk yard and refurbished mt bike and REI kids bike.  I 
 didn't take the photos for Riv content, but you get glimpse of the bikes 
 and experience.
 TR
 
 
 
> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:21:02 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
> I have a reservation for a campsite in Gualala (California Mendocino 
> area) and would love to bring the family bikes. We've been to the area 
> before and never brought bikes. Can anyone recommend any cool places to 
> bike there that are kid friendly for riders who aren't that cautious 
> cycling on a highway, for example? If you have a recommended ride there I 
> can start researching what might be best for us. 
> 
> Riv content: I will likely bring my Atlantis, of which I will take great 
> photos in that gorgeous area. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: rides sought

[Keith Weaver]

I camped at Mckerricher state park a few weeks ago, near Fort Bragg, and
found a couple of good rides. One is along the coast, between Fort Bragg
and Mckerricher. This is a paved, very flat trail. The next ride is in the
Jackson State Demonstration Forest, near Mendocino. I started fairly high
up the slope, along the Forest History trails. This was very steep, I
wouldn't recommend it too highly, unless you want steep MTB action.

When I got to the lower portions of the trails, I had a lot of fun riding
along the Big River. It was relatively flat, smooth soil with some gravel.
I didn't go all the way along the trail, due to time, but it had to be a
couple of miles long at least. This would be from the intersection of Road
700 & Road 730. I think Trailforks calls this the Big River Haul Road, and
it looks like it goes all the way to Mendocino.

I found a site describing a new trail in this area with a bit of climbing,
it's the Observatory Trail. Below are a couple of links that may be helpful.
https://www.brewerygulchinn.com/the-view-from-the-gulch/the-forest-history-trail
https://www.trailforks.com/trails/observatory-trail-aka-ot/
https://www.advocate-news.com/2021/04/08/new-multi-use-trail-opens-in-jackson-forest/




On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:07 PM Lucky Turnip  wrote:

> Thanks for your reply. The scenery there is gorgeous (bikes included!)
> I guess what I am wondering is if there are any favorite trails people
> have to recommend in that area, we can put the bikes on the car to get
> there if necessary (sometimes the only way to get to the ride with young
> kids.)
> Can be mildly technical MTB or paved or gravel, our bikes do it all. :)
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 9:25 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know it’s not about the purple Glorius, but 🤩. I saw that bike and
>> thought, we have got to introduce this woman and her bike to Ana, of
>> PurpleRiv fame. Ana’s got a custom in a deeper purple and it is basically a
>> Glorius. These two would get along!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 9:05:09 AM UTC-7 redsf wrote:
>>
>>> My kids had a great time riding around the campground and out to the
>>> beach.  As I recall the trail to the beach was not designed for bikes, but
>>> our 9-12 year olds manage, we walked.  You could also bike into town for
>>> ice cream from the campground.  We then spent a couple nights at Salt Point
>>> State Park and we did some more riding there.  They promote some mountain
>>> bike trails, but you can also ride down to and along the coast from your
>>> campsite.  We brought our Sam, a beautiful purple Glorious, a saved from
>>> the junk yard and refurbished mt bike and REI kids bike.  I didn't take the
>>> photos for Riv content, but you get glimpse of the bikes and experience.
>>> TR
>>> [image: DSC_0086.jpg]
>>> [image: DSC_0095.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:21:02 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>>>
 I have a reservation for a campsite in Gualala (California Mendocino
 area) and would love to bring the family bikes. We've been to the area
 before and never brought bikes. Can anyone recommend any cool places to
 bike there that are kid friendly for riders who aren't that
 cautious cycling on a highway, for example? If you have a recommended ride
 there I can start researching what might be best for us.

 Riv content: I will likely bring my Atlantis, of which I will take
 great photos in that gorgeous area.

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[RBW] Re: Which Riv. mixte has the shortest chainstays?

[Linda G]

I share Joel's concerns about long chainstays and wheelbase. The geometry 
on the Platypus has not been posted by Rivendell except for some labelled 
frame diagrams on Instagram which are hard to read. The 50 Platypus appears 
to have a chainstay of 53 and wheelbase of 120.6. That's compared to a 45 
chainstay on the 50 cheviot. The effective top tube on the Cheviot is 57.5 
compared to what looks like 61.5 on the Platypus, if I am reading the 
blurry diagram correctly. So the Platypus 50 is somewhere between 4 and 5 
inches longer than the Cheviot 50, if my calculations are correct.
Linda

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 7:06:24 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:

> Does this also equate to wheelbase?
>
> I store my bikes in the basement in winter and Sunroom the other seasons. 
>  Long bikes can be a problem. 
>
> Thanks. 
>
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[RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[JAS]

Pam, you are an inspiration!  Thank you for sharing your trusty Betty Foy 
and all of her beauty marks. She is definitely a work of art.  I'm 
impressed with your mileage, daily riding, hauling ability and dedication 
to helping others learn skills and confidence so they, too, can enjoy 
cycling.   Cheers to you!
RivSisters,
--Joyce
On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 9:48:50 AM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I wanted the picture of the sticker with Grant's quote small and centered 
> so you could read it but couldn't figure out how to do that and make the 
> pictures smaller so you wouldn't need to scroll so much but who has time 
> for that.  I just want to ride my bike.
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 10:00:40 AM UTC-4 johnny@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Beautiful bike and I disagree about your wordpress skills. Fun stuff.
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 9:05:03 AM UTC-7 benjami...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Great write up!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of 
 beausage.  
 I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
 together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
 my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.

 http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/



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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take 
a file or grinder to it though.

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
> of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
>
> Tom
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Bones]

Tom I noticed the same thing when trying to put the same kickstand on my 
wife's Platypus. I may have been able to squeeze it in but it would have 
rubbed the tire anyway so I didn't bother trying. FYI 48 Gravel Kings on 
Pacenti Brevets and they measure 50mm tubeless.

Bones

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 1:50:07 PM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:

> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
> of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
>
> Tom
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to hear 
an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Pam Bikes]

I wanted the picture of the sticker with Grant's quote small and centered 
so you could read it but couldn't figure out how to do that and make the 
pictures smaller so you wouldn't need to scroll so much but who has time 
for that.  I just want to ride my bike.

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 10:00:40 AM UTC-4 johnny@gmail.com wrote:

> Beautiful bike and I disagree about your wordpress skills. Fun stuff.
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 9:05:03 AM UTC-7 benjami...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great write up!
>>
>> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of 
>>> beausage.  
>>> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
>>> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
>>> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>>>
>>> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: XXL Wooly Warm Sweater

[lconley]

Sold

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[RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Johnny Burrell]

Beautiful bike and I disagree about your wordpress skills. Fun stuff.

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 9:05:03 AM UTC-7 benjami...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great write up!
>
> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of 
>> beausage.  
>> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
>> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
>> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>>
>> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: XXL Wooly Warm Sweater

[Friend]

How tall are you and how's the fit?

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Tried on, never worn. Really wanted the vest which I just ordered. $80 OBO 
> shipped MUSA.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL.
>
> [image: sweater.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: 700c Wheel recommendations

[lconley]

Velocity will also make rims for you that are not listed - extra spoke 
holes, polished, etc. I am overweight and like 40 and 48 spoke rims and 
polished rims which they will happily do with the next batch of rims that 
make. No extra cost for the non-standard spoke hole drillings, you just 
need to wait for the next production run. I have polished 36 spoke 650B 
Quills, polished 40 spoke 650B Cliffhangers and polished 48 spoke 650B 
Cliffhangers.

Laing

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 8:05:53 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Velocity are really good people & full of useful advice, sort of the 
> Rivendell of wheels. You can reach out to them directly for input, their 
> marketing guy (Ian) has been a huge help to me in the past.
>
> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 6:48:23 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I use Velocity Atlas wheels on my Sam, and they’ve been good with any 
>> tire size I’ve tried up through 50mm. I’m 200 lbs plus, so I use 36 
>> spokes.  They are possibly a bit of overkill for my typical 42mm tires, but 
>> they’ve been trouble free.
>> My touring bike has Velocity Dyads and they run fine with up to 42mm 
>> tires - I haven’t tried them with anything bigger, though they should fit 
>> 50mm.  Also 36 spokes since they carry me plus 35 pounds for a loaded tour, 
>> and also trouble free.
>>
>> Cliffhangers probably are overkill, because a heavier wheel makes it a 
>> little tougher to do the hills.  Over time this matters - like going 
>> tubeless.  Your riding style isn’t as important as the ability to handle a 
>> wider tire, however.  A 50 mm tire on an A23 would be squeezing it.  A 
>> Cliffhanger, Atlas or Dyad should handle it just fine.
>> My recommendation for your riding style and tire size would be the 
>> Atlas.  Lighter weight than the Cliffhangers, and plenty strong.  They also 
>> come with eyelets to prevent cracking around the spoke holes.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

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Thank you for this wonderful article and photos of a well loved bike.  I 
just love seeing people on their bikes. The more the better. 
Pam, I too use the Cateye Enduro on my bike to track mileage and I will be 
moving it and resetting it for my new platypus.  
Ride on!
Kate-Trenton, NJ
anxiously awaiting her first Riv

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 5:18:56 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> Au contraire!
> [image: 9E69-1B45-45CC-BF99-A54EE3B16529_1_105_c.jpeg]
> Riding in the rain is why you have fenders! Dyno hub and LED lights for 
> the dark of night. 
>
>
> Out in the falling rain is one of the top bicycling moments for me. I have 
> picked parts over the years to become more impervious to riding in the wet, 
> component by component. Tubeless wheels finished my list, solving the 
> problem of wet tubes and rim tape from centrifugal entry at the spoke 
> holes. 
> [image: Screen Shot 2021-05-17 at 5.16.12 AM.png]
> We're pretty average here, our wet is just spread more evenly than other 
> places where big storms with significant downpours concentrate rainfall.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 9:15:08 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> In the spirit of our Pam I’m going out and trashing my dream bike in the 
>> rain! Right now.
>> Leah 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 PM, David Person  wrote:
>>
>> Grant would be so proud of you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting 
>>> about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, and 
>>> only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 1999 Joe 
>>> Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell paint was 
>>> largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated (*nice* 
>>> powdercoat) 
>>> in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right chainstay where another 
>>> eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last year, slammed into me from 
>>> behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame *almost* unscathed.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many 
>>> years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor scuffs 
>>> and scrapes.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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