[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[Kushan]

Has anyone had any experience with the Dia-Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes or 
their longer reach cousin? Though I have not tried them personally, I have 
heard that the Gran Compe variety are stiff and provide better braking 
power and tire clearance than a caliper brake. Rene Hearse center pull can 
be another option if cost is not a cocern.

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 7:40:49 PM UTC-8 Ed Felker wrote:

> I have Tiagra levers and R559 brakes on my Bleriot. The braking improved 
> significantly using salmon pads and compressionless housing, specifically, 
> the Jagwire KEB-SL Pro Road. The mushy feeling went away and they have a 
> nice predictable grip. I use the Jagwire EZ-Bend segments that lead into 
> the brake levers.
>
> There is also the Yokozuna Reaction housing but the Jagwire is much easier 
> to cut with regular Park cable cutters. I have the Yokozuna on a bike with 
> Avid BB7 disc brakes and the stuff was a pain to install but those brakes 
> got a lot stronger. 
>
> Ed Felker
> Washington, DC
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good morning!
>> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
>> different reasons.
>>
>> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
>> the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
>> the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
>> chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>>
>> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just feel 
>> a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual experience 
>> than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the levers and 
>> the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and there's just 
>> not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if not enough 
>> force gets transferred into the pads.
>>
>> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up toward 
>> the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that moves down 
>> toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they contact the rim 
>> with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>>
>> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of kills 
>> me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a little 
>> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as 
>> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?
>>
>> Thanks for any and all thoughts!
>>
>> Ben in Omaha 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Mermaid Builds

[Roberta]

My Platy pics were posted by me on June 15 in this Long 
thread. 
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/5Qe4GAOJReQ/m/VDaBTF_eBAAJ 
 

Most components on my bike two tone, mostly silver with bit of black. 
Wheels have more color when not dusty.   I think it’s a classy look on a 
Platy but you can go bolder on a Gus.   I let Candice at analog pick the 
scheme. She “gets” my style. I did opt for black wall tires for extra flat 
protection, if that’s a thing. Looking forward to seeing your new bike. 
Roberta

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:59:52 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:

> In anticipation of the new mermaid Gus I picked up in the presale this 
> week,  I'm thinking through my existing components and wondering if I 
> should lean toward a black or silver build.  I had my orange Susie set up 
> with pretty much all silver everything with yellow and lime green bolts and 
> accents, but am wondering how that will look on the mermaid color. I've 
> been browsing photos on IG, but I'd love to see how folks on the list have 
> set up their mermaid Appaloosas and Platypuses, what bar tape colors you've 
> tried, component colors, etc. 

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Re: [RBW] The Cycling Reporter: Herbsaint Sazerac

[rltilley]

I’m looking forward to seeing this. I love Wes Anderson movies and adding bikes 
into the mix just makes it that much better.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 20, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> Hi all – I just watched the French Dispatch after a long wait for it to 
> arrive to streaming services. I was delighted, as always, by a new Wes 
> Anderson movie. 
> 
> Owen Wilson plays a writer who explores and reports from a fictional French 
> city by bicycle. His handlebars are appointed with a small spiral notebook 
> and he rides with a Leica M3 around his neck. 
> 
> I'm not a French bike enthusiast but I just had to figure out which frame 
> he's riding. Turns out it's a Manufrance. Apologies for three non-drive-side 
> photos, that's how
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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[Ed Felker]

I have Tiagra levers and R559 brakes on my Bleriot. The braking improved 
significantly using salmon pads and compressionless housing, specifically, 
the Jagwire KEB-SL Pro Road. The mushy feeling went away and they have a 
nice predictable grip. I use the Jagwire EZ-Bend segments that lead into 
the brake levers.

There is also the Yokozuna Reaction housing but the Jagwire is much easier 
to cut with regular Park cable cutters. I have the Yokozuna on a bike with 
Avid BB7 disc brakes and the stuff was a pain to install but those brakes 
got a lot stronger. 

Ed Felker
Washington, DC

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good morning!
> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion different 
> reasons.
>
> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
> the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
> the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
> chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>
> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just feel a 
> million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual experience 
> than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the levers and 
> the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and there's just 
> not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if not enough 
> force gets transferred into the pads.
>
> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up toward 
> the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that moves down 
> toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they contact the rim 
> with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>
> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of kills 
> me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a little 
> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as 
> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?
>
> Thanks for any and all thoughts!
>
> Ben in Omaha 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS - Susie W Longbolts - 56(Large) - Orange

[Erik]

Sale Pending...


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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus or Susie, am I crazy?

['kaelawoods' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I got the Pass and Stow for exactly that, a front basket setup with ability 
to run panniers if need be for camping/touring. I think the handling is 
actually rather acceptable as long as it's balanced with a rear load, so in 
this instance, rear Happisack + front basket for misc about town things, 
which is how I'm using it now.

You'll love the P, it's a wonderful rack, and the internal wiring for 
dynamo lighting just makes it all so clean. That said, I did not know there 
was a rear P in the works!

Glad you enjoyed the pics, planning to shoot some more with its current 
setup on my next ride.

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:39:19 PM UTC+8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great pictures Kelvin! Good to know about preferring a rear load. Though I 
> kinda suspected that with the chainstays. Maybe just low riders up front? I 
> was hoping to put a basket up front for around town at least, guess we will 
> see!
>
> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 4:05:31 AM UTC-8 kelv...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I live in Singapore. Sorry for the long delay, hope the photos 
>> make it through. This was right when I first built it up, I've since 
>> swapped out the stem for a slightly shorter one (100mm-80mm) and added a 
>> Happisack, which led me to an interesting observation of how the Gus Boots 
>> much prefers a rear load as compared to a front load.
>>
>> It's mostly paved roads around here in Singapore, we only have a few 
>> trails around, one of which requires taking a 15min boat ride out to a 
>> small island, but I am curious about 2.6" tires on the Gus, will definitely 
>> try those someday but for now am enjoying the extremely quiet and supple 
>> ride quality of the RH Umtanum Ridges.
>>
>> Kelvin 
>>
>> [image: gus 1.jpg][image: gus 2.jpg][image: gus 4.jpg][image: gus 3.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 9:39:23 AM UTC+8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> What country do you live in? (Sorry for leaving out a salutation; don't 
>>> know your name.)
>>>
>>> And please post the statutorily required photos!
>>>
>>> Patrick "2.2" is too skinny for our sandy acequia trails" Moore, in the 
>>> ABQ, NM, USA riverine bosque.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 10:01 AM 'kaelawoods' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 It's been 4 months since I built up my Gus, which also happens to be 
 the first Rivendell I've ever ridden. ( I live halfway across the world 
 and 
 Rivs are scarce here). I've never ridden a Jones nor do I own a disc brake 
 bike, but like you, I wanted a bike that can do it all, handle any trail I 
 come across, and the Gus has been doing all that, and more. It's a strong, 
 beautiful frame, definitely on the heavier side compared to my other low 
 trail randonneuring bike which is a real lightweight,  but man it's just 
 such a joy to ride. I think the wheel set and tires do contribute greatly 
 to the ride feel, i built up a a pair of Velocity Cliffhangers with a 
 front 
 dynamo and currently have Rene Herse Umtanum Ridges on them. They're only 
 2.2" but work well for the mixed terrain in my country. Single track took 
 some getting used to, which had nothing to do with the bike but the rider 
 I'm sure. :) I have a friend who owns the Susie and I think you can't go 
 wrong with either, but I think the Gus is just... invincible. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS - Susie W Longbolts - 56(Large) - Orange

[Ryan Frahm]

Sorry to hear it fell through! Someone is getting lucky with that color. I 
told Riv it sold and committed to waiting as patiently as possible for 
mine. Good luck with the sale!

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:36:17 AM UTC-8 Erik wrote:

> AVAILABLE!  The sale fell through so this bike is available again.  Let me 
> know if you are interested and would like to chat!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus or Susie, am I crazy?

[Ryan Frahm]

Thank you for the tip! The pictures I’ve seen made me think that but I 
figured it worked if people ran it, so very good to know. I really can’t 
wait to see the rear Pass and Stow come out.

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:35:56 AM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> I had a Pass and Stow 5 rail on my Susie and didn't like the way it felt, 
> the load seemed to too far forward. 
>
> Much happier with a Nitto Marks Rack for that application, but that's just 
> my preference, YMMV.
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 6:41:07 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Actually, I plan to put the same Pass and Stow rack on! 
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 6:39:19 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> Great pictures Kelvin! Good to know about preferring a rear load. Though 
>>> I kinda suspected that with the chainstays. Maybe just low riders up front? 
>>> I was hoping to put a basket up front for around town at least, guess we 
>>> will see!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 4:05:31 AM UTC-8 kelv...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Patrick, I live in Singapore. Sorry for the long delay, hope the photos 
 make it through. This was right when I first built it up, I've since 
 swapped out the stem for a slightly shorter one (100mm-80mm) and added a 
 Happisack, which led me to an interesting observation of how the Gus Boots 
 much prefers a rear load as compared to a front load.

 It's mostly paved roads around here in Singapore, we only have a few 
 trails around, one of which requires taking a 15min boat ride out to a 
 small island, but I am curious about 2.6" tires on the Gus, will 
 definitely 
 try those someday but for now am enjoying the extremely quiet and supple 
 ride quality of the RH Umtanum Ridges.

 Kelvin 

 [image: gus 1.jpg][image: gus 2.jpg][image: gus 4.jpg][image: gus 
 3.jpg]

 On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 9:39:23 AM UTC+8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> What country do you live in? (Sorry for leaving out a salutation; 
> don't know your name.)
>
> And please post the statutorily required photos!
>
> Patrick "2.2" is too skinny for our sandy acequia trails" Moore, in 
> the ABQ, NM, USA riverine bosque.
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 10:01 AM 'kaelawoods' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> It's been 4 months since I built up my Gus, which also happens to be 
>> the first Rivendell I've ever ridden. ( I live halfway across the world 
>> and 
>> Rivs are scarce here). I've never ridden a Jones nor do I own a disc 
>> brake 
>> bike, but like you, I wanted a bike that can do it all, handle any trail 
>> I 
>> come across, and the Gus has been doing all that, and more. It's a 
>> strong, 
>> beautiful frame, definitely on the heavier side compared to my other low 
>> trail randonneuring bike which is a real lightweight,  but man it's just 
>> such a joy to ride. I think the wheel set and tires do contribute 
>> greatly 
>> to the ride feel, i built up a a pair of Velocity Cliffhangers with a 
>> front 
>> dynamo and currently have Rene Herse Umtanum Ridges on them. They're 
>> only 
>> 2.2" but work well for the mixed terrain in my country. Single track 
>> took 
>> some getting used to, which had nothing to do with the bike but the 
>> rider 
>> I'm sure. :) I have a friend who owns the Susie and I think you can't go 
>> wrong with either, but I think the Gus is just... invincible. 
>>
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>>
>
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Re: [RBW] Suggestions for better braking?

[Garth]

All I can say is Suntour knew how to make brakes. Gawd I miss Suntour as 
Shimano was always the b-team to them, and still is as far as I'm 
concerned. I have some low profile XC Pro cantis that are truly superbe in 
every way, pun intended !  I also have some current low profile Dia Compe 
988's that are of similar design and are also superbe. 

Not that any of this matters to Ben though ! 

I laugh how we all like to to throw in our "greatest hits" of stuff we like 
when given a chance to. We could write forever and a day and it still 
wouldn't make a dent in all there is to say, about things in every way. . 


On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 5:10:17 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I have to disagree with the discs being easy to set up. Every time I 
> remove a quick release disc wheel and reinstall it, I have to re-adjust the 
> brake. I understand that that is why they use thru axles now for discs. For 
> a real nightmare, get hydraulic disc brakes and try to bleed all the air 
> out. If you don't get it all out, including the reservoir, every time you 
> lie your bike down or turn it over, you lose your brakes.
>
> Laing
> Who it currently installing a quick release *mechanical* disc brake wheel 
> on the front of his Rivendell Clementine (Crust Clydesdale Fork).
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:35:51 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> +1, and no desire to be controversial, but every desire to share what I 
>> have experienced. Disc brakes just work, and work well, even -- this is 
>> from my experience, which is limited, of course -- mechanical discs; and 
>> even **cheap** mechanical discs, like the -- god knows, I don't: what were 
>> the OEMs on the Monocog? But take the ancient, perennial BB7, either road 
>> or mtb model. As long as you know to clamp the cable about 1/3 of the way 
>> along the actuator arm's travel, Bob's your uncle. 
>>
>> On the Monocog, I swapped out the flat-bar OEM cheapo discs for Road 
>> BB7s, and pull them with high MA (thus, bad for the purpose, but I had them 
>> handy) Shimano 600 AX aero levers thought generic, by-the-foot housing. 
>> They work very well: no rubbing until you get mud all over the pads and 
>> rotors, and even that for not very long; stop well -- at last as well as 
>> any centerpull I've ever used, and certainly better than the expensive Paul 
>> cantis on my Matthews 2:1 (more on this in another post*) -- and they're 
>> easy to set up (once you know that trick). No, they're not as powerful as V 
>> brakes or as easily modulated as good single pivots, but they are fully 
>> mid-pack for power, modulation, and ease of setup.
>>
>> Were I to gin up the gumption to replace the AX levers for some good, low 
>> MA non-aero levers, and replace the $0.87 per foot housing with Jagwire or 
>> something, they'd work even better. But they work so well as-is that I 
>> can't be bothered.
>>
>> Now, I've never used full hydraulics, but I do have TRP Hy Rds on the 
>> Matthews 1:1. Yes, they are more powerful and easier to set up. They don't 
>> modulate much better. But are they twice as good for twice the price? Nope. 
>> I got my Hy Rds used for a good price, but I'd be hard put to decide 
>> whether the premium in full retail would justify the real world performance 
>> compared to BB7s. 
>>
>> And: discs, mechanical and hybrid, are just so easy to set up!!
>>
>> * Any suggestions for improving "bite" for the Paul cantis on the 
>> Matthews 2:1? Touring rear, Neo Retros front. Salmon Kool Stop pads. 
>> Shimano pre-STI Dura Ace 74?? levers. The pads just don't grab the rims 
>> strongly, and they're long since broken in. The single pivot (Superbe Pro? 
>> RGC?) front on the 1999 gofast grabs harder than either f or r Paul. Ideas?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 12:45 PM Mackenzy Albright  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> *personal opinion* if you're not racing, have a larger tire, and want 
>>> low effort braking (and no weight concerns) disc's are hard to beat, 
>>> especially in wet weather. I have read a of Jan and Grants beating 
>>> the dead pony for rim brakes, but my arthritic fingers enjoy the light 
>>> action and consistency of discs. Adding disc tabs onto existing frames 
>>> isn't terribly difficult for a good builder. I've heard its actually easier 
>>> than setting up post mounts.
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7 fug...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I had a bike welder braze on posts for v-brakes only on the front of my 
 Bleriot. MUCH better stopping!

 On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:50:42 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> Second this. Those long reach calipers are a bad design concept. You 
> can try to make them less bad, but they’ll never have the power of your V 
> brakes.
>
> I won’t buy a frame that takes these brakes anymore (with the possible 
> exception of a fixed gear frame)
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
>> 

Re: [RBW] Suggestions for better braking?

[lconley]

I have to disagree with the discs being easy to set up. Every time I remove 
a quick release disc wheel and reinstall it, I have to re-adjust the brake. 
I understand that that is why they use thru axles now for discs. For a real 
nightmare, get hydraulic disc brakes and try to bleed all the air out. If 
you don't get it all out, including the reservoir, every time you lie your 
bike down or turn it over, you lose your brakes.

Laing
Who it currently installing a quick release *mechanical* disc brake wheel 
on the front of his Rivendell Clementine (Crust Clydesdale Fork).

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:35:51 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> +1, and no desire to be controversial, but every desire to share what I 
> have experienced. Disc brakes just work, and work well, even -- this is 
> from my experience, which is limited, of course -- mechanical discs; and 
> even **cheap** mechanical discs, like the -- god knows, I don't: what were 
> the OEMs on the Monocog? But take the ancient, perennial BB7, either road 
> or mtb model. As long as you know to clamp the cable about 1/3 of the way 
> along the actuator arm's travel, Bob's your uncle. 
>
> On the Monocog, I swapped out the flat-bar OEM cheapo discs for Road BB7s, 
> and pull them with high MA (thus, bad for the purpose, but I had them 
> handy) Shimano 600 AX aero levers thought generic, by-the-foot housing. 
> They work very well: no rubbing until you get mud all over the pads and 
> rotors, and even that for not very long; stop well -- at last as well as 
> any centerpull I've ever used, and certainly better than the expensive Paul 
> cantis on my Matthews 2:1 (more on this in another post*) -- and they're 
> easy to set up (once you know that trick). No, they're not as powerful as V 
> brakes or as easily modulated as good single pivots, but they are fully 
> mid-pack for power, modulation, and ease of setup.
>
> Were I to gin up the gumption to replace the AX levers for some good, low 
> MA non-aero levers, and replace the $0.87 per foot housing with Jagwire or 
> something, they'd work even better. But they work so well as-is that I 
> can't be bothered.
>
> Now, I've never used full hydraulics, but I do have TRP Hy Rds on the 
> Matthews 1:1. Yes, they are more powerful and easier to set up. They don't 
> modulate much better. But are they twice as good for twice the price? Nope. 
> I got my Hy Rds used for a good price, but I'd be hard put to decide 
> whether the premium in full retail would justify the real world performance 
> compared to BB7s. 
>
> And: discs, mechanical and hybrid, are just so easy to set up!!
>
> * Any suggestions for improving "bite" for the Paul cantis on the Matthews 
> 2:1? Touring rear, Neo Retros front. Salmon Kool Stop pads. Shimano pre-STI 
> Dura Ace 74?? levers. The pads just don't grab the rims strongly, and 
> they're long since broken in. The single pivot (Superbe Pro? RGC?) front on 
> the 1999 gofast grabs harder than either f or r Paul. Ideas?
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 12:45 PM Mackenzy Albright  
> wrote:
>
>> *personal opinion* if you're not racing, have a larger tire, and want low 
>> effort braking (and no weight concerns) disc's are hard to beat, especially 
>> in wet weather. I have read a of Jan and Grants beating the dead 
>> pony for rim brakes, but my arthritic fingers enjoy the light action and 
>> consistency of discs. Adding disc tabs onto existing frames isn't terribly 
>> difficult for a good builder. I've heard its actually easier than setting 
>> up post mounts.
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7 fug...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I had a bike welder braze on posts for v-brakes only on the front of my 
>>> Bleriot. MUCH better stopping!
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:50:42 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 Second this. Those long reach calipers are a bad design concept. You 
 can try to make them less bad, but they’ll never have the power of your V 
 brakes.

 I won’t buy a frame that takes these brakes anymore (with the possible 
 exception of a fixed gear frame)

 Eric


 On Monday, December 20, 2021, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the 
> sidepull Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature 
> gets 
> confusing because for a while the former was the spec for "long reach" 
> caliper brakes, until the latter came along. Following Paul Components, 
> who 
> used to make versions of the Racer brake for both reach specifications, I 
> usually refer to 47-57mm brakes as "medium" or "mid reach" and 55-76mm as 
> "long reach" now, but I'm sure that's not universal across the industry. 
>
> As others have noted, in 55-76mm reach the options are very limited, 
> with the longer-reach Paul Racer (distinguished from the mid-reach Racer 
> M) 
> being the usual upgrade if Tektros aren't 

[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[Ryan]

Although in my case, paired with the TRP RRL brake levers with their own QR 
button  , the Grand Cru brakes clear 32mm Stampede Pass tires I'm using 
with ease

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:24:37 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ryan,
> Thanks for that...if Jan likes them, I'm sure I would, too. His one gripe, 
> though, is that they don't open up wide enough to clear a 31mm tire. I take 
> off my front wheel to transport my bike to trails...I guess I could just 
> deflate/inflate when I do that. I'll give it some thought.
>
> Thanks again,
> Ben
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:11:32 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
>
>> VO Grand Cru brakes are good. Jan Heine reviewed them very favorably 
>> here. Not dead cheap but they're good looking and they work well. I 
>> replaced some Super Record brakes with these paired with TRP RRL's  and I 
>> have no complaints.
>>
>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-test-velo-orange-grand-cru-brakes/
>>  
>>
>> I 
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:24:34 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>> For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. 
>>>
>>> Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length. 
>>> They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem to 
>>> have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well-- 
>>> perhaps because they're beefier than R559. 
>>>
>>> (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool Stop 
>>> pad.)
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> shoji
>>> Arlington MA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good morning!
 I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
 different reasons.

 However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
 the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
 the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
 chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.

 Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just 
 feel a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual 
 experience than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the 
 levers and the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and 
 there's just not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if 
 not enough force gets transferred into the pads.

 The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up 
 toward the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that 
 moves down toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they 
 contact the rim with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.

 I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of 
 kills me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a 
 little 
 better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as 
 good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?

 Thanks for any and all thoughts!

 Ben in Omaha 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Suggestions for better braking?

[Patrick Moore]

+1, and no desire to be controversial, but every desire to share what I
have experienced. Disc brakes just work, and work well, even -- this is
from my experience, which is limited, of course -- mechanical discs; and
even **cheap** mechanical discs, like the -- god knows, I don't: what were
the OEMs on the Monocog? But take the ancient, perennial BB7, either road
or mtb model. As long as you know to clamp the cable about 1/3 of the way
along the actuator arm's travel, Bob's your uncle.

On the Monocog, I swapped out the flat-bar OEM cheapo discs for Road BB7s,
and pull them with high MA (thus, bad for the purpose, but I had them
handy) Shimano 600 AX aero levers thought generic, by-the-foot housing.
They work very well: no rubbing until you get mud all over the pads and
rotors, and even that for not very long; stop well -- at last as well as
any centerpull I've ever used, and certainly better than the expensive Paul
cantis on my Matthews 2:1 (more on this in another post*) -- and they're
easy to set up (once you know that trick). No, they're not as powerful as V
brakes or as easily modulated as good single pivots, but they are fully
mid-pack for power, modulation, and ease of setup.

Were I to gin up the gumption to replace the AX levers for some good, low
MA non-aero levers, and replace the $0.87 per foot housing with Jagwire or
something, they'd work even better. But they work so well as-is that I
can't be bothered.

Now, I've never used full hydraulics, but I do have TRP Hy Rds on the
Matthews 1:1. Yes, they are more powerful and easier to set up. They don't
modulate much better. But are they twice as good for twice the price? Nope.
I got my Hy Rds used for a good price, but I'd be hard put to decide
whether the premium in full retail would justify the real world performance
compared to BB7s.

And: discs, mechanical and hybrid, are just so easy to set up!!

* Any suggestions for improving "bite" for the Paul cantis on the Matthews
2:1? Touring rear, Neo Retros front. Salmon Kool Stop pads. Shimano pre-STI
Dura Ace 74?? levers. The pads just don't grab the rims strongly, and
they're long since broken in. The single pivot (Superbe Pro? RGC?) front on
the 1999 gofast grabs harder than either f or r Paul. Ideas?

On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 12:45 PM Mackenzy Albright <
mackenzy.albri...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *personal opinion* if you're not racing, have a larger tire, and want low
> effort braking (and no weight concerns) disc's are hard to beat, especially
> in wet weather. I have read a of Jan and Grants beating the dead
> pony for rim brakes, but my arthritic fingers enjoy the light action and
> consistency of discs. Adding disc tabs onto existing frames isn't terribly
> difficult for a good builder. I've heard its actually easier than setting
> up post mounts.
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7 fugd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I had a bike welder braze on posts for v-brakes only on the front of my
>> Bleriot. MUCH better stopping!
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:50:42 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Second this. Those long reach calipers are a bad design concept. You can
>>> try to make them less bad, but they’ll never have the power of your V
>>> brakes.
>>>
>>> I won’t buy a frame that takes these brakes anymore (with the possible
>>> exception of a fixed gear frame)
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>>
 Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the
 sidepull Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature gets
 confusing because for a while the former was the spec for "long reach"
 caliper brakes, until the latter came along. Following Paul Components, who
 used to make versions of the Racer brake for both reach specifications, I
 usually refer to 47-57mm brakes as "medium" or "mid reach" and 55-76mm as
 "long reach" now, but I'm sure that's not universal across the industry.

 As others have noted, in 55-76mm reach the options are very limited,
 with the longer-reach Paul Racer (distinguished from the mid-reach Racer M)
 being the usual upgrade if Tektros aren't cutting it. Unfortunately, the
 longer-reach Racers are now out of production so you're looking for used or
 NOS ones. I think Dia-Compe also makes some centerpull options but I'm
 skeptical if they would be an upgrade over Tektros.

 Personally, as much as I respect Grant, my feeling is that 47-57mm is
 pretty much the reach limit for center-mount caliper brakes; anything
 longer than that and you're really battling flex in the long arms, and
 would be better off going to cantilevers or brazed-on long reach
 centerpulls like the Rene Herse or Grand Bois MAFAC clones.

 -Jeremy Till
 Sacramento, CA

 On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:24:37 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Ryan,
> Thanks for that...if Jan likes them, I'm 

Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[esoterica etc]

I've got a pair of center-mount Paul Racers with Kool Stop salmon thinline pads 
actuated by some TRP RRL levers on my rando bike. And although they certainly 
aren't as powerful as V-brakes, I do feel that the stopping power is pretty 
comparable to the canti brake setups that I have on other bikes. The Racers do 
have great modulation, and are much more powerful than the Tektro 559s I've 
used (with the same TRP RRL levers). It's really a shame that Paul discontinued 
the Racers, because I'm very impressed with them. Good luck with your brake 
situation, hope you can find a good solution. Cheers,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Dec 20, 2021, at 13:00, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the sidepull 
> Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature gets confusing 
> because for a while the former was the spec for "long reach" caliper brakes, 
> until the latter came along. Following Paul Components, who used to make 
> versions of the Racer brake for both reach specifications, I usually refer to 
> 47-57mm brakes as "medium" or "mid reach" and 55-76mm as "long reach" now, 
> but I'm sure that's not universal across the industry. 
> 
> As others have noted, in 55-76mm reach the options are very limited, with the 
> longer-reach Paul Racer (distinguished from the mid-reach Racer M) being the 
> usual upgrade if Tektros aren't cutting it. Unfortunately, the longer-reach 
> Racers are now out of production so you're looking for used or NOS ones. I 
> think Dia-Compe also makes some centerpull options but I'm skeptical if they 
> would be an upgrade over Tektros. 
> 
> Personally, as much as I respect Grant, my feeling is that 47-57mm is pretty 
> much the reach limit for center-mount caliper brakes; anything longer than 
> that and you're really battling flex in the long arms, and would be better 
> off going to cantilevers or brazed-on long reach centerpulls like the Rene 
> Herse or Grand Bois MAFAC clones.  
> 
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
> 
>> 

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Re: [RBW] Suggestions for better braking?

[Joe Bernard]

There's also the Campagnolo theory. BITD Campy bikes would notoriously get 
bad reviews for lousy braking. The company line was they were "speed 
reducers", you weren't supposed to be able to lock a wheel. I did not buy 
this line! 


On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:45:08 AM UTC-8 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> *personal opinion* if you're not racing, have a larger tire, and want low 
> effort braking (and no weight concerns) disc's are hard to beat, especially 
> in wet weather. I have read a of Jan and Grants beating the dead 
> pony for rim brakes, but my arthritic fingers enjoy the light action and 
> consistency of discs. Adding disc tabs onto existing frames isn't terribly 
> difficult for a good builder. I've heard its actually easier than setting 
> up post mounts.
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7 fug...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I had a bike welder braze on posts for v-brakes only on the front of my 
>> Bleriot. MUCH better stopping!
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:50:42 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Second this. Those long reach calipers are a bad design concept. You can 
>>> try to make them less bad, but they’ll never have the power of your V 
>>> brakes.
>>>
>>> I won’t buy a frame that takes these brakes anymore (with the possible 
>>> exception of a fixed gear frame)
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>>
 Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the 
 sidepull Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature 
 gets 
 confusing because for a while the former was the spec for "long reach" 
 caliper brakes, until the latter came along. Following Paul Components, 
 who 
 used to make versions of the Racer brake for both reach specifications, I 
 usually refer to 47-57mm brakes as "medium" or "mid reach" and 55-76mm as 
 "long reach" now, but I'm sure that's not universal across the industry. 

 As others have noted, in 55-76mm reach the options are very limited, 
 with the longer-reach Paul Racer (distinguished from the mid-reach Racer 
 M) 
 being the usual upgrade if Tektros aren't cutting it. Unfortunately, the 
 longer-reach Racers are now out of production so you're looking for used 
 or 
 NOS ones. I think Dia-Compe also makes some centerpull options but I'm 
 skeptical if they would be an upgrade over Tektros. 

 Personally, as much as I respect Grant, my feeling is that 47-57mm is 
 pretty much the reach limit for center-mount caliper brakes; anything 
 longer than that and you're really battling flex in the long arms, and 
 would be better off going to cantilevers or brazed-on long reach 
 centerpulls like the Rene Herse or Grand Bois MAFAC clones.  

 -Jeremy Till
 Sacramento, CA

 On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:24:37 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Ryan,
> Thanks for that...if Jan likes them, I'm sure I would, too. His one 
> gripe, though, is that they don't open up wide enough to clear a 31mm 
> tire. 
> I take off my front wheel to transport my bike to trails...I guess I 
> could 
> just deflate/inflate when I do that. I'll give it some thought.
>
> Thanks again,
> Ben
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:11:32 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
>
>> VO Grand Cru brakes are good. Jan Heine reviewed them very favorably 
>> here. Not dead cheap but they're good looking and they work well. I 
>> replaced some Super Record brakes with these paired with TRP RRL's  and 
>> I 
>> have no complaints.
>>
>>
>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-test-velo-orange-grand-cru-brakes/
>>  
>>
>> I 
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:24:34 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>> For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. 
>>>
>>> Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm 
>>> length. They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, 
>>> which 
>>> seem to have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes 
>>> work 
>>> well-- perhaps because they're beefier than R559. 
>>>
>>> (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool 
>>> Stop pad.)
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> shoji
>>> Arlington MA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good morning!
 I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
 different reasons.

 However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I 
 have the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I 
 feel 
 like the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set 
 up 

Re: [RBW] The Cycling Reporter: Herbsaint Sazerac

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Excellent! I loved the movie.

As a film camera collector, I appreciate both the bike *and* the Leica!

Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com



> On Dec 20, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> Hi all – I just watched the French Dispatch after a long wait for it to 
> arrive to streaming services. I was delighted, as always, by a new Wes 
> Anderson movie. 
> 
> Owen Wilson plays a writer who explores and reports from a fictional French 
> city by bicycle. His handlebars are appointed with a small spiral notebook 
> and he rides with a Leica M3 around his neck. 
> 
> I'm not a French bike enthusiast but I just had to figure out which frame 
> he's riding. Turns out it's a Manufrance. Apologies for three non-drive-side 
> photos, that's how I found them! 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Suggestions for better braking?

[Mackenzy Albright]

*personal opinion* if you're not racing, have a larger tire, and want low 
effort braking (and no weight concerns) disc's are hard to beat, especially 
in wet weather. I have read a of Jan and Grants beating the dead 
pony for rim brakes, but my arthritic fingers enjoy the light action and 
consistency of discs. Adding disc tabs onto existing frames isn't terribly 
difficult for a good builder. I've heard its actually easier than setting 
up post mounts.

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7 fugd...@gmail.com wrote:

> I had a bike welder braze on posts for v-brakes only on the front of my 
> Bleriot. MUCH better stopping!
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:50:42 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Second this. Those long reach calipers are a bad design concept. You can 
>> try to make them less bad, but they’ll never have the power of your V 
>> brakes.
>>
>> I won’t buy a frame that takes these brakes anymore (with the possible 
>> exception of a fixed gear frame)
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the sidepull 
>>> Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature gets 
>>> confusing because for a while the former was the spec for "long reach" 
>>> caliper brakes, until the latter came along. Following Paul Components, who 
>>> used to make versions of the Racer brake for both reach specifications, I 
>>> usually refer to 47-57mm brakes as "medium" or "mid reach" and 55-76mm as 
>>> "long reach" now, but I'm sure that's not universal across the industry. 
>>>
>>> As others have noted, in 55-76mm reach the options are very limited, 
>>> with the longer-reach Paul Racer (distinguished from the mid-reach Racer M) 
>>> being the usual upgrade if Tektros aren't cutting it. Unfortunately, the 
>>> longer-reach Racers are now out of production so you're looking for used or 
>>> NOS ones. I think Dia-Compe also makes some centerpull options but I'm 
>>> skeptical if they would be an upgrade over Tektros. 
>>>
>>> Personally, as much as I respect Grant, my feeling is that 47-57mm is 
>>> pretty much the reach limit for center-mount caliper brakes; anything 
>>> longer than that and you're really battling flex in the long arms, and 
>>> would be better off going to cantilevers or brazed-on long reach 
>>> centerpulls like the Rene Herse or Grand Bois MAFAC clones.  
>>>
>>> -Jeremy Till
>>> Sacramento, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:24:37 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ryan,
 Thanks for that...if Jan likes them, I'm sure I would, too. His one 
 gripe, though, is that they don't open up wide enough to clear a 31mm 
 tire. 
 I take off my front wheel to transport my bike to trails...I guess I could 
 just deflate/inflate when I do that. I'll give it some thought.

 Thanks again,
 Ben

 On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:11:32 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:

> VO Grand Cru brakes are good. Jan Heine reviewed them very favorably 
> here. Not dead cheap but they're good looking and they work well. I 
> replaced some Super Record brakes with these paired with TRP RRL's  and I 
> have no complaints.
>
>
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-test-velo-orange-grand-cru-brakes/
>  
>
> I 
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:24:34 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
>> Hi Ben,
>> For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. 
>>
>> Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm 
>> length. They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, 
>> which 
>> seem to have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes 
>> work 
>> well-- perhaps because they're beefier than R559. 
>>
>> (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool 
>> Stop pad.)
>>
>> Good luck!
>> shoji
>> Arlington MA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning!
>>> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
>>> different reasons.
>>>
>>> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I 
>>> have the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I 
>>> feel 
>>> like the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up 
>>> with chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>>>
>>> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just 
>>> feel a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual 
>>> experience than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull 
>>> the 
>>> levers and the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and 
>>> there's just not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as 

Re: [RBW] Suggestions for better braking?

[fugd...@gmail.com]

I had a bike welder braze on posts for v-brakes only on the front of my 
Bleriot. MUCH better stopping!

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:50:42 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> Second this. Those long reach calipers are a bad design concept. You can 
> try to make them less bad, but they’ll never have the power of your V 
> brakes.
>
> I won’t buy a frame that takes these brakes anymore (with the possible 
> exception of a fixed gear frame)
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the sidepull 
>> Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature gets 
>> confusing because for a while the former was the spec for "long reach" 
>> caliper brakes, until the latter came along. Following Paul Components, who 
>> used to make versions of the Racer brake for both reach specifications, I 
>> usually refer to 47-57mm brakes as "medium" or "mid reach" and 55-76mm as 
>> "long reach" now, but I'm sure that's not universal across the industry. 
>>
>> As others have noted, in 55-76mm reach the options are very limited, with 
>> the longer-reach Paul Racer (distinguished from the mid-reach Racer M) 
>> being the usual upgrade if Tektros aren't cutting it. Unfortunately, the 
>> longer-reach Racers are now out of production so you're looking for used or 
>> NOS ones. I think Dia-Compe also makes some centerpull options but I'm 
>> skeptical if they would be an upgrade over Tektros. 
>>
>> Personally, as much as I respect Grant, my feeling is that 47-57mm is 
>> pretty much the reach limit for center-mount caliper brakes; anything 
>> longer than that and you're really battling flex in the long arms, and 
>> would be better off going to cantilevers or brazed-on long reach 
>> centerpulls like the Rene Herse or Grand Bois MAFAC clones.  
>>
>> -Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:24:37 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ryan,
>>> Thanks for that...if Jan likes them, I'm sure I would, too. His one 
>>> gripe, though, is that they don't open up wide enough to clear a 31mm tire. 
>>> I take off my front wheel to transport my bike to trails...I guess I could 
>>> just deflate/inflate when I do that. I'll give it some thought.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:11:32 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 VO Grand Cru brakes are good. Jan Heine reviewed them very favorably 
 here. Not dead cheap but they're good looking and they work well. I 
 replaced some Super Record brakes with these paired with TRP RRL's  and I 
 have no complaints.


 https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-test-velo-orange-grand-cru-brakes/
  

 I 

 On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:24:34 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Hi Ben,
> For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. 
>
> Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length. 
> They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem 
> to 
> have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well-- 
> perhaps because they're beefier than R559. 
>
> (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool Stop 
> pad.)
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
> Arlington MA
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Good morning!
>> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
>> different reasons.
>>
>> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I 
>> have the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel 
>> like the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up 
>> with chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>>
>> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just 
>> feel a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual 
>> experience than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull 
>> the 
>> levers and the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and 
>> there's just not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as 
>> if 
>> not enough force gets transferred into the pads.
>>
>> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up 
>> toward the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that 
>> moves down toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they 
>> contact the rim with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, 
>> too.
>>
>> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of 
>> kills me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a 
>> little 
>> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be 
>> as 
>> good as v-brakes 

Re: [RBW] Suggestions for better braking?

[Eric Daume]

Second this. Those long reach calipers are a bad design concept. You can
try to make them less bad, but they’ll never have the power of your V
brakes.

I won’t buy a frame that takes these brakes anymore (with the possible
exception of a fixed gear frame)

Eric


On Monday, December 20, 2021, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the sidepull
> Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature gets
> confusing because for a while the former was the spec for "long reach"
> caliper brakes, until the latter came along. Following Paul Components, who
> used to make versions of the Racer brake for both reach specifications, I
> usually refer to 47-57mm brakes as "medium" or "mid reach" and 55-76mm as
> "long reach" now, but I'm sure that's not universal across the industry.
>
> As others have noted, in 55-76mm reach the options are very limited, with
> the longer-reach Paul Racer (distinguished from the mid-reach Racer M)
> being the usual upgrade if Tektros aren't cutting it. Unfortunately, the
> longer-reach Racers are now out of production so you're looking for used or
> NOS ones. I think Dia-Compe also makes some centerpull options but I'm
> skeptical if they would be an upgrade over Tektros.
>
> Personally, as much as I respect Grant, my feeling is that 47-57mm is
> pretty much the reach limit for center-mount caliper brakes; anything
> longer than that and you're really battling flex in the long arms, and
> would be better off going to cantilevers or brazed-on long reach
> centerpulls like the Rene Herse or Grand Bois MAFAC clones.
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:24:37 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ryan,
>> Thanks for that...if Jan likes them, I'm sure I would, too. His one
>> gripe, though, is that they don't open up wide enough to clear a 31mm tire.
>> I take off my front wheel to transport my bike to trails...I guess I could
>> just deflate/inflate when I do that. I'll give it some thought.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Ben
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:11:32 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> VO Grand Cru brakes are good. Jan Heine reviewed them very favorably
>>> here. Not dead cheap but they're good looking and they work well. I
>>> replaced some Super Record brakes with these paired with TRP RRL's  and I
>>> have no complaints.
>>>
>>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-test-velo-orange-
>>> grand-cru-brakes/
>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:24:34 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>
 Hi Ben,
 For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes.

 Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length.
 They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem to
 have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well--
 perhaps because they're beefier than R559.

 (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool Stop
 pad.)

 Good luck!
 shoji
 Arlington MA



 On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Good morning!
> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion
> different reasons.
>
> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I
> have the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel
> like the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up
> with chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>
> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just
> feel a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual
> experience than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the
> levers and the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and
> there's just not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if
> not enough force gets transferred into the pads.
>
> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up
> toward the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that
> moves down toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they
> contact the rim with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>
> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of
> kills me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a 
> little
> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as
> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?
>
> Thanks for any and all thoughts!
>
> Ben in Omaha
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus or Susie, am I crazy?

[Jared Wilson]

I had a Pass and Stow 5 rail on my Susie and didn't like the way it felt, 
the load seemed to too far forward. 

Much happier with a Nitto Marks Rack for that application, but that's just 
my preference, YMMV.
On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 6:41:07 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Actually, I plan to put the same Pass and Stow rack on! 
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 6:39:19 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Great pictures Kelvin! Good to know about preferring a rear load. Though 
>> I kinda suspected that with the chainstays. Maybe just low riders up front? 
>> I was hoping to put a basket up front for around town at least, guess we 
>> will see!
>>
>> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 4:05:31 AM UTC-8 kelv...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, I live in Singapore. Sorry for the long delay, hope the photos 
>>> make it through. This was right when I first built it up, I've since 
>>> swapped out the stem for a slightly shorter one (100mm-80mm) and added a 
>>> Happisack, which led me to an interesting observation of how the Gus Boots 
>>> much prefers a rear load as compared to a front load.
>>>
>>> It's mostly paved roads around here in Singapore, we only have a few 
>>> trails around, one of which requires taking a 15min boat ride out to a 
>>> small island, but I am curious about 2.6" tires on the Gus, will definitely 
>>> try those someday but for now am enjoying the extremely quiet and supple 
>>> ride quality of the RH Umtanum Ridges.
>>>
>>> Kelvin 
>>>
>>> [image: gus 1.jpg][image: gus 2.jpg][image: gus 4.jpg][image: gus 3.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 9:39:23 AM UTC+8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 What country do you live in? (Sorry for leaving out a salutation; don't 
 know your name.)

 And please post the statutorily required photos!

 Patrick "2.2" is too skinny for our sandy acequia trails" Moore, in the 
 ABQ, NM, USA riverine bosque.

 On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 10:01 AM 'kaelawoods' via RBW Owners Bunch <
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> It's been 4 months since I built up my Gus, which also happens to be 
> the first Rivendell I've ever ridden. ( I live halfway across the world 
> and 
> Rivs are scarce here). I've never ridden a Jones nor do I own a disc 
> brake 
> bike, but like you, I wanted a bike that can do it all, handle any trail 
> I 
> come across, and the Gus has been doing all that, and more. It's a 
> strong, 
> beautiful frame, definitely on the heavier side compared to my other low 
> trail randonneuring bike which is a real lightweight,  but man it's just 
> such a joy to ride. I think the wheel set and tires do contribute greatly 
> to the ride feel, i built up a a pair of Velocity Cliffhangers with a 
> front 
> dynamo and currently have Rene Herse Umtanum Ridges on them. They're only 
> 2.2" but work well for the mixed terrain in my country. Single track took 
> some getting used to, which had nothing to do with the bike but the rider 
> I'm sure. :) I have a friend who owns the Susie and I think you can't go 
> wrong with either, but I think the Gus is just... invincible. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[Joe Bernard]

Agreed with all, it's the brakes, and in your case the Tiagra road levers 
probably aren't helping, either. 
They were designed with a short-arm dual-pivot Shimano caliper in mind 
which is a very good skinny-tire brake, those Tektros are long and flexy 
and not particularly awesome even with decent short-pull flatbar levers. 
Yokozuna or the ebike pads will indeed help. 

Joe Bernard
On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:17:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I appreciate your thoughts, Jeremy. I actually find it MUCH more 
> satisfying to hear that there is an inherent flaw or downside to the Tektro 
> brake rather than there being an issue with how I have it set up. 
>
> I'm going to stick with them, refresh cables and housing, and probably 
> grab some Yokozuna pads.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 12:00:06 PM UTC-6 Jeremy Till wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the sidepull 
>> Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature gets 
>> confusing because for a while the former was the spec for "long reach" 
>> caliper brakes, until the latter came along. Following Paul Components, who 
>> used to make versions of the Racer brake for both reach specifications, I 
>> usually refer to 47-57mm brakes as "medium" or "mid reach" and 55-76mm as 
>> "long reach" now, but I'm sure that's not universal across the industry. 
>>
>> As others have noted, in 55-76mm reach the options are very limited, with 
>> the longer-reach Paul Racer (distinguished from the mid-reach Racer M) 
>> being the usual upgrade if Tektros aren't cutting it. Unfortunately, the 
>> longer-reach Racers are now out of production so you're looking for used or 
>> NOS ones. I think Dia-Compe also makes some centerpull options but I'm 
>> skeptical if they would be an upgrade over Tektros. 
>>
>> Personally, as much as I respect Grant, my feeling is that 47-57mm is 
>> pretty much the reach limit for center-mount caliper brakes; anything 
>> longer than that and you're really battling flex in the long arms, and 
>> would be better off going to cantilevers or brazed-on long reach 
>> centerpulls like the Rene Herse or Grand Bois MAFAC clones.  
>>
>> -Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:24:37 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ryan,
>>> Thanks for that...if Jan likes them, I'm sure I would, too. His one 
>>> gripe, though, is that they don't open up wide enough to clear a 31mm tire. 
>>> I take off my front wheel to transport my bike to trails...I guess I could 
>>> just deflate/inflate when I do that. I'll give it some thought.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:11:32 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 VO Grand Cru brakes are good. Jan Heine reviewed them very favorably 
 here. Not dead cheap but they're good looking and they work well. I 
 replaced some Super Record brakes with these paired with TRP RRL's  and I 
 have no complaints.


 https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-test-velo-orange-grand-cru-brakes/
  

 I 

 On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:24:34 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Hi Ben,
> For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. 
>
> Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length. 
> They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem 
> to 
> have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well-- 
> perhaps because they're beefier than R559. 
>
> (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool Stop 
> pad.)
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
> Arlington MA
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Good morning!
>> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
>> different reasons.
>>
>> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I 
>> have the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel 
>> like the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up 
>> with chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>>
>> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just 
>> feel a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual 
>> experience than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull 
>> the 
>> levers and the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and 
>> there's just not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as 
>> if 
>> not enough force gets transferred into the pads.
>>
>> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up 
>> toward the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that 
>> moves down toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they 
>> contact the 

[RBW] Re: Which side cutters?

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks everybody, I grabbed the Knipex bolt cutters Shoji mentioned. Which 
is the flat-side straight cut I need, I don't think I explained that very 
well.



On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 7:17:07 AM UTC-8 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Consider Knipex bolt cutters. Pricey, but worthwhile. Mine have remained 
> sharp over time despite cutting fender stays, cables, housing. (And using 
> them for garden work, like cutting chicken wire and hardware cloth.)
>
> I also have a set of Pedros, which I've only used with housing and cables. 
> It works well, but my Knipex bolt cutter seems to-be close at hand most 
> times.
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 2:17:43 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I have Park Tool cable cutters but not the kind that cut flush. What do I 
>> get that cuts an inner shifter wire straight and flush? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[Ben Mihovk]

I appreciate your thoughts, Jeremy. I actually find it MUCH more satisfying 
to hear that there is an inherent flaw or downside to the Tektro brake 
rather than there being an issue with how I have it set up. 

I'm going to stick with them, refresh cables and housing, and probably grab 
some Yokozuna pads.

Thanks!

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 12:00:06 PM UTC-6 Jeremy Till wrote:

> Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the sidepull 
> Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature gets 
> confusing because for a while the former was the spec for "long reach" 
> caliper brakes, until the latter came along. Following Paul Components, who 
> used to make versions of the Racer brake for both reach specifications, I 
> usually refer to 47-57mm brakes as "medium" or "mid reach" and 55-76mm as 
> "long reach" now, but I'm sure that's not universal across the industry. 
>
> As others have noted, in 55-76mm reach the options are very limited, with 
> the longer-reach Paul Racer (distinguished from the mid-reach Racer M) 
> being the usual upgrade if Tektros aren't cutting it. Unfortunately, the 
> longer-reach Racers are now out of production so you're looking for used or 
> NOS ones. I think Dia-Compe also makes some centerpull options but I'm 
> skeptical if they would be an upgrade over Tektros. 
>
> Personally, as much as I respect Grant, my feeling is that 47-57mm is 
> pretty much the reach limit for center-mount caliper brakes; anything 
> longer than that and you're really battling flex in the long arms, and 
> would be better off going to cantilevers or brazed-on long reach 
> centerpulls like the Rene Herse or Grand Bois MAFAC clones.  
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:24:37 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ryan,
>> Thanks for that...if Jan likes them, I'm sure I would, too. His one 
>> gripe, though, is that they don't open up wide enough to clear a 31mm tire. 
>> I take off my front wheel to transport my bike to trails...I guess I could 
>> just deflate/inflate when I do that. I'll give it some thought.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Ben
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:11:32 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> VO Grand Cru brakes are good. Jan Heine reviewed them very favorably 
>>> here. Not dead cheap but they're good looking and they work well. I 
>>> replaced some Super Record brakes with these paired with TRP RRL's  and I 
>>> have no complaints.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-test-velo-orange-grand-cru-brakes/
>>>  
>>>
>>> I 
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:24:34 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>
 Hi Ben,
 For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. 

 Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length. 
 They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem to 
 have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well-- 
 perhaps because they're beefier than R559. 

 (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool Stop 
 pad.)

 Good luck!
 shoji
 Arlington MA



 On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Good morning!
> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
> different reasons.
>
> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I 
> have the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel 
> like the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up 
> with chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>
> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just 
> feel a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual 
> experience than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull 
> the 
> levers and the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and 
> there's just not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as 
> if 
> not enough force gets transferred into the pads.
>
> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up 
> toward the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that 
> moves down toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they 
> contact the rim with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>
> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of 
> kills me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a 
> little 
> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be 
> as 
> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?
>
> Thanks for any and all thoughts!
>
> Ben in Omaha 
>


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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[David Person]

I second (or third) the suggestion to switch to Yokozuna salmon pads.

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:00:06 AM UTC-8 Jeremy Till wrote:

> Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the sidepull 
> Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature gets 
> confusing because for a while the former was the spec for "long reach" 
> caliper brakes, until the latter came along. Following Paul Components, who 
> used to make versions of the Racer brake for both reach specifications, I 
> usually refer to 47-57mm brakes as "medium" or "mid reach" and 55-76mm as 
> "long reach" now, but I'm sure that's not universal across the industry. 
>
> As others have noted, in 55-76mm reach the options are very limited, with 
> the longer-reach Paul Racer (distinguished from the mid-reach Racer M) 
> being the usual upgrade if Tektros aren't cutting it. Unfortunately, the 
> longer-reach Racers are now out of production so you're looking for used or 
> NOS ones. I think Dia-Compe also makes some centerpull options but I'm 
> skeptical if they would be an upgrade over Tektros. 
>
> Personally, as much as I respect Grant, my feeling is that 47-57mm is 
> pretty much the reach limit for center-mount caliper brakes; anything 
> longer than that and you're really battling flex in the long arms, and 
> would be better off going to cantilevers or brazed-on long reach 
> centerpulls like the Rene Herse or Grand Bois MAFAC clones.  
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:24:37 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ryan,
>> Thanks for that...if Jan likes them, I'm sure I would, too. His one 
>> gripe, though, is that they don't open up wide enough to clear a 31mm tire. 
>> I take off my front wheel to transport my bike to trails...I guess I could 
>> just deflate/inflate when I do that. I'll give it some thought.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Ben
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:11:32 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> VO Grand Cru brakes are good. Jan Heine reviewed them very favorably 
>>> here. Not dead cheap but they're good looking and they work well. I 
>>> replaced some Super Record brakes with these paired with TRP RRL's  and I 
>>> have no complaints.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-test-velo-orange-grand-cru-brakes/
>>>  
>>>
>>> I 
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:24:34 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>
 Hi Ben,
 For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. 

 Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length. 
 They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem to 
 have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well-- 
 perhaps because they're beefier than R559. 

 (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool Stop 
 pad.)

 Good luck!
 shoji
 Arlington MA



 On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Good morning!
> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
> different reasons.
>
> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I 
> have the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel 
> like the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up 
> with chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>
> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just 
> feel a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual 
> experience than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull 
> the 
> levers and the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and 
> there's just not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as 
> if 
> not enough force gets transferred into the pads.
>
> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up 
> toward the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that 
> moves down toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they 
> contact the rim with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>
> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of 
> kills me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a 
> little 
> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be 
> as 
> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?
>
> Thanks for any and all thoughts!
>
> Ben in Omaha 
>


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Re: [RBW] Bar tape and shellac combination to match cream details

[atreya...@gmail.com]

Thanks everyone one for the suggestions. I have yellow + amber on my 
Atlantis which I do like a lot. This time around I am leaning towards white 
+ amber (just slightly different). Will post the picture of the final 
build!. Homers should be in anytime now. The wait is agonizing yet 
wonderful! :)

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 5:33:33 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I like Rich's idea! Yellow or white tape with amber shellac looks great. 
>
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 11:26:08 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>
>> Deepak,
>>
>> Try yellow bar tape + amber shellac. Here is an in-progress image of just 
>> that with five coats of amber. I used the same combination on a previously 
>> owned Homer. Looks very nice paired with Homer blue. 
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>   
>>
>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 8:13:29 AM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Eric for your inputs . I might just go with white bar tape and 
>>> amber shellac ( classic French constructeurs style ) to add little warmth 
>>> to homer blue. If anyone else any other ideas or combination that works 
>>> well with Homer let me know . 
>>>
>>> Cheers ,
>>> Deepak
>>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 12:28, atreya...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone tried cloth bar tape and shellac combination to get close to 
>>> the cream details on Rivendell. I am thinking of these two options
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. White + Clear shellac : I am assuming that clear shellac will 
>>> slightly tint the white 
>>> 2. Viva toshi off-white tape + clear shellac.
>>>
>>> Has anyone tried any of these combinations? What was the result ? If you 
>>> have pics would be great  !
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Deepak
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[Jeremy Till]

Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the sidepull 
Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature gets 
confusing because for a while the former was the spec for "long reach" 
caliper brakes, until the latter came along. Following Paul Components, who 
used to make versions of the Racer brake for both reach specifications, I 
usually refer to 47-57mm brakes as "medium" or "mid reach" and 55-76mm as 
"long reach" now, but I'm sure that's not universal across the industry. 

As others have noted, in 55-76mm reach the options are very limited, with 
the longer-reach Paul Racer (distinguished from the mid-reach Racer M) 
being the usual upgrade if Tektros aren't cutting it. Unfortunately, the 
longer-reach Racers are now out of production so you're looking for used or 
NOS ones. I think Dia-Compe also makes some centerpull options but I'm 
skeptical if they would be an upgrade over Tektros. 

Personally, as much as I respect Grant, my feeling is that 47-57mm is 
pretty much the reach limit for center-mount caliper brakes; anything 
longer than that and you're really battling flex in the long arms, and 
would be better off going to cantilevers or brazed-on long reach 
centerpulls like the Rene Herse or Grand Bois MAFAC clones.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:24:37 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ryan,
> Thanks for that...if Jan likes them, I'm sure I would, too. His one gripe, 
> though, is that they don't open up wide enough to clear a 31mm tire. I take 
> off my front wheel to transport my bike to trails...I guess I could just 
> deflate/inflate when I do that. I'll give it some thought.
>
> Thanks again,
> Ben
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:11:32 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
>
>> VO Grand Cru brakes are good. Jan Heine reviewed them very favorably 
>> here. Not dead cheap but they're good looking and they work well. I 
>> replaced some Super Record brakes with these paired with TRP RRL's  and I 
>> have no complaints.
>>
>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-test-velo-orange-grand-cru-brakes/
>>  
>>
>> I 
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:24:34 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>> For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. 
>>>
>>> Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length. 
>>> They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem to 
>>> have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well-- 
>>> perhaps because they're beefier than R559. 
>>>
>>> (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool Stop 
>>> pad.)
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> shoji
>>> Arlington MA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good morning!
 I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
 different reasons.

 However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
 the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
 the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
 chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.

 Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just 
 feel a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual 
 experience than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the 
 levers and the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and 
 there's just not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if 
 not enough force gets transferred into the pads.

 The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up 
 toward the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that 
 moves down toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they 
 contact the rim with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.

 I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of 
 kills me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a 
 little 
 better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as 
 good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?

 Thanks for any and all thoughts!

 Ben in Omaha 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[Ben Mihovk]

I should clarify on pad distance...

I've used the Calvin from Park Tool method of determining pad clearance by 
how far back I can pull the brake lever. The pads touch the rim when 
pulling the lever almost halfway back. The levers are at least 1" from the 
hoods when the pads are firmly in contact with the rims. I will try getting 
them a touch closer before I ride home today and see how that goes, though.

Thanks again!
Ben

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:53:06 AM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote:

> Hey Garth,
> I have Kool Stop salmon pads in now. Everything on the bike looks set up 
> perfectly with housing and such...it's an original Riv build so I'm 
> assuming it was done expertly. 
>
> Rim to pad distance...well, I guess I can't find a really good way to tell 
> how close they *should *be. I know I can use the barrel adjuster to get 
> the pads a little closer...is there such thing as too close as long as the 
> wheel has room to move without rubbing when it flexes while being stressed? 
>
> While the hassle of tearing up the bars is something I'd like to avoid, I 
> know that at some point I want dark blue Newbaums with clear shellac on 
> this bike. Might as well do it now!
>
> Ben
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:22:11 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:
>
>> Ben,  If you have stock Tektro pads replace them as I've never met one 
>> worth a darn. Any mentioned are fine. Also cable housing end finishes into 
>> the ferrules, is everything flush ? What's the rim to pad distance ?  Check 
>> all that before setting out to tear your bars apart ! 
>>
>> In the real world many people use that brake and find it works well so 
>> don't give up so easily ! 
>>
>> Never accept as a condition for wheel removal deflating a tire, that'll 
>> grow old real quick. 
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning!
>>> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
>>> different reasons.
>>>
>>> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
>>> the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
>>> the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
>>> chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>>>
>>> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just feel 
>>> a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual experience 
>>> than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the levers and 
>>> the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and there's just 
>>> not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if not enough 
>>> force gets transferred into the pads.
>>>
>>> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up toward 
>>> the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that moves down 
>>> toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they contact the rim 
>>> with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>>>
>>> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of kills 
>>> me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a little 
>>> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as 
>>> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any and all thoughts!
>>>
>>> Ben in Omaha 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[Ben Mihovk]

Hey Garth,
I have Kool Stop salmon pads in now. Everything on the bike looks set up 
perfectly with housing and such...it's an original Riv build so I'm 
assuming it was done expertly. 

Rim to pad distance...well, I guess I can't find a really good way to tell 
how close they *should *be. I know I can use the barrel adjuster to get the 
pads a little closer...is there such thing as too close as long as the 
wheel has room to move without rubbing when it flexes while being stressed? 

While the hassle of tearing up the bars is something I'd like to avoid, I 
know that at some point I want dark blue Newbaums with clear shellac on 
this bike. Might as well do it now!

Ben



On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:22:11 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:

> Ben,  If you have stock Tektro pads replace them as I've never met one 
> worth a darn. Any mentioned are fine. Also cable housing end finishes into 
> the ferrules, is everything flush ? What's the rim to pad distance ?  Check 
> all that before setting out to tear your bars apart ! 
>
> In the real world many people use that brake and find it works well so 
> don't give up so easily ! 
>
> Never accept as a condition for wheel removal deflating a tire, that'll 
> grow old real quick. 
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good morning!
>> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
>> different reasons.
>>
>> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
>> the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
>> the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
>> chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>>
>> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just feel 
>> a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual experience 
>> than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the levers and 
>> the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and there's just 
>> not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if not enough 
>> force gets transferred into the pads.
>>
>> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up toward 
>> the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that moves down 
>> toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they contact the rim 
>> with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>>
>> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of kills 
>> me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a little 
>> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as 
>> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?
>>
>> Thanks for any and all thoughts!
>>
>> Ben in Omaha 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mermaid Builds

[Erik]

That is a classy build, Eric.  What is the combo of bar tape color and 
shellac you used to get that result?  

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS - Susie W Longbolts - 56(Large) - Orange

[Erik]

AVAILABLE!  The sale fell through so this bike is available again.  Let me 
know if you are interested and would like to chat!

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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[Garth]

Ben,  If you have stock Tektro pads replace them as I've never met one 
worth a darn. Any mentioned are fine. Also cable housing end finishes into 
the ferrules, is everything flush ? What's the rim to pad distance ?  Check 
all that before setting out to tear your bars apart ! 

In the real world many people use that brake and find it works well so 
don't give up so easily ! 

Never accept as a condition for wheel removal deflating a tire, that'll 
grow old real quick. 
On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good morning!
> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion different 
> reasons.
>
> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
> the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
> the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
> chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>
> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just feel a 
> million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual experience 
> than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the levers and 
> the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and there's just 
> not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if not enough 
> force gets transferred into the pads.
>
> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up toward 
> the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that moves down 
> toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they contact the rim 
> with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>
> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of kills 
> me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a little 
> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as 
> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?
>
> Thanks for any and all thoughts!
>
> Ben in Omaha 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mermaid Builds

[Wally Estrella]

OOOH! I like this very much, Eric.  I had been leaning towards a mix of 
green parts.  So, similar too, but different than Leah's Platy II.  Due to 
availability though I've found I'm getting more silver and/or polished 
parts than I hoped.   At minimum I'll have green Paul Love Levers :)



On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:11:54 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here's me mermaid Appaloosa :) 
>
> [image: appaloosa_sm00A.jpg]
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:47:46 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Well...I'd love to hear the story. I'm sure it's a good one and I'm 
>> betting I'm not the only one who's curious
>>
>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 8:42:34 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, it’s a long story. I won’t hijack this thread with it here. But 
>>> yes, another Platy for different purposes. And now I’m really never buying 
>>> another bike. Ever. I’m set!
>>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2021, at 9:30 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>>
>>> Another Platypus Leah? Very nice!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 5:15:02 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Funny you should ask. Let me show you the green/lime/gold on a mermaid 
 frame. I’ll link in the following post because it’s easier in Gmail….
 On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:59:52 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:

> In anticipation of the new mermaid Gus I picked up in the presale this 
> week,  I'm thinking through my existing components and wondering if I 
> should lean toward a black or silver build.  I had my orange Susie set up 
> with pretty much all silver everything with yellow and lime green bolts 
> and 
> accents, but am wondering how that will look on the mermaid color. I've 
> been browsing photos on IG, but I'd love to see how folks on the list 
> have 
> set up their mermaid Appaloosas and Platypuses, what bar tape colors 
> you've 
> tried, component colors, etc. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Did Rivendell publish a Hillibike catalog?

[Patrick Moore]

OK, I understand you now: 3" fit fine **except** under the fork crown. Too
bad.

Thanks.

On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 7:13 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> No way three inch tires are fitting under the fork crown on Susie.  Here's
> a pic from a ride last eek (snow came very late this year, and I
> regretfully decided to push my luck on a wet, dirt road.)
>
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Keith: Thanks for this, very good to know. You said that 75 mm tires
>> (2.95") fit with ample room to spare on the Susie Longbolts; thus true 3
>> inchers -- 76 mm -- should fit at more than a pinch; right? (That's a
>> question, asking for an answer.)
>>
>> So, I hope that the Suzy is a true option for a sand cruiser, as far as
>> tire width goes. Next question: You say, Rivs encourage seated pedaling.
>> This worries me, because I like high-torque, low-rpm pedaling, and this is
>> not for chainstay reasons, but rather because I find it more comfortable --
>> I feel more efficient torquing at low rpm, and I run out of breath when I
>> sit and twiddle uphill; even in my breathless senescence, I like shoving
>> back behind the bb and shoving forward on the pedals. Doubtless much of
>> this is habituation; I used to be a twiddler who would maintain 21-23 mph
>> over long distances on the flat in a 64" gear; but even in these years I'd
>> rarely used the lower gears on my cassette, and very clearly recall
>> standing to climb while shifting down just 5 or 10 gear inches under my 65"
>> - 70" cruising gears (now, 25 years later, my cruising gears are more like
>> 7--75"). At any rate, I like to torque, and find 60" a nice climbing gear
>> for moderate, extended climbs (Tramway). I don't want a frame that makes
>> standing and honking awkward. Can you elaborate on your observation and on
>> my anxieties?
>>
>> Also, I fear bars too high. I've always been more comfortable with a
>> sufficient bend between hips and thighs, and the few times I tried High and
>> Close the bike has felt tippy, awkward, inefficient, hard to pedal. Note:
>> this over decades of bike setup. Can a Susan be built to allow a
>> comfortable forward-lean position?
>>
>> Must look up the Scapegoat. Would you kindly post a photo? But I dream of
>> the superlative Rivendell handling with a bike that will take 75s and let
>> me shove back and torque ...
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 5:58 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>>
>>> Answering your second question:  I had 2.4 and 2.3 tires on my Clem,
>>> with fenders.  It might have fit some 2.5 tires, but probably would have
>>> required ditching the fenders.  I mostly used the excellent Schwalbe Super
>>> Motos, which you're fond of too if I recall correctly.  Since these have
>>> shallow treads, most of that width is true casing volume, so they're good
>>> sand floatation tires.  In fact as you probably know, that's why they were
>>> invented - for beach races popular in Europe.   Having liked those, I
>>> wanted something similar but with even bigger volume for my Susie
>>> Longbolts, so I'm using V Speedsters.  They're labeled 2.8 but measure 75mm
>>> even at moderate inflation pressures.  This combination also fits fine,
>>> with way more than 3mm of clearance to the stays and fork blades.  On both
>>> bikes though, be aware that it's actually the fork crown that is/was the
>>> tight clearance point.  There's no way I'd be able to fit a 3" tire on the
>>> front - even without fenders.
>>>
>>> Addressing but not answering your first question:  I think one of the
>>> nice things about Rivendell's long-chainstay bikes is that you don't NEED
>>> to stand up and grind.  I sort of wonder if I got in the habit of standing
>>> on climbs because my bikes always used to have too-short chainstays, and it
>>> was necessary in order to keep the front wheel planted.  I can still stand
>>> (and occasionally like to) on the Rivs, but think they prefer to be ridden
>>> seated.  They're generally more forgving though, and the fore-aft balance
>>> point isn't nearly as critical.  Cockpit / handlebar choice is more
>>> important the the bike/frame design to me.
>>>
>>> If you're hell-bent on using 3" or wider tires, I have a Crust Scapegoat
>>> that I can't say enough good about.  Very Riv-inspired fit (shallow seat
>>> tube/low bottom bracket), but conventionally short chainstays.   And ugly
>>> as sin.  And heavier.  On that bike, I have 3.25 tires + 3X drivetrain +
>>> fenders, however!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:33:31 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Slight tangent to thread -- but broad views are the sign of a liberally
 educated person.

 I note that the Wolbis or whateverthehellitiscalled is described as a
 Gus for lighter riders. Given Grant's penchant for overbuilding, I'd guess
 that the Wolbis is fine for a 170-lb rider who never gets pinch flats.

 So, question to those of you who can compare the Wolbis, Gus, Clem, and
 Platypus 

[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[Ben Mihovk]

Ryan,
Thanks for that...if Jan likes them, I'm sure I would, too. His one gripe, 
though, is that they don't open up wide enough to clear a 31mm tire. I take 
off my front wheel to transport my bike to trails...I guess I could just 
deflate/inflate when I do that. I'll give it some thought.

Thanks again,
Ben

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:11:32 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:

> VO Grand Cru brakes are good. Jan Heine reviewed them very favorably here. 
> Not dead cheap but they're good looking and they work well. I replaced some 
> Super Record brakes with these paired with TRP RRL's  and I have no 
> complaints.
>
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-test-velo-orange-grand-cru-brakes/
>  
>
> I 
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:24:34 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
>> Hi Ben,
>> For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. 
>>
>> Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length. 
>> They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem to 
>> have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well-- 
>> perhaps because they're beefier than R559. 
>>
>> (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool Stop 
>> pad.)
>>
>> Good luck!
>> shoji
>> Arlington MA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning!
>>> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
>>> different reasons.
>>>
>>> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
>>> the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
>>> the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
>>> chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>>>
>>> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just feel 
>>> a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual experience 
>>> than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the levers and 
>>> the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and there's just 
>>> not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if not enough 
>>> force gets transferred into the pads.
>>>
>>> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up toward 
>>> the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that moves down 
>>> toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they contact the rim 
>>> with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>>>
>>> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of kills 
>>> me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a little 
>>> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as 
>>> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any and all thoughts!
>>>
>>> Ben in Omaha 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Good weekend on the Hillborne

[Eric Marth]

Very rad write-up and ride, Jason. This is lookin' like a proper blog! 
Great work :) 

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 12:33:37 AM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> New ride report from today on the Hillborne!  Poor bike is in desperate 
> need of maintenance now, basically everything that moves is making a bad 
> sound at this point. I'm just hitting 6000km on it, so I will be tearing it 
> down to the frame over the holiday break for some much needed love. 
>
> But it got the job done today on a challenging route that has left me 
> physically in shambles! 
> https://www.jasonmytail.com/2021/12/20/pitt-addington-winter-solsticeish/
>
>
> On Saturday, 18 December 2021 at 21:15:47 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Okay I've already done a bunch of updating on the wee website - haven't 
>> put this one up yet but I put the original Bombadil ride report from a 
>> year-ish ago up! This is the "un-cut" version before whittling it down to 
>> fit within google groups' maximum post size.  Also allows for clicking to 
>> hi-res photos, which is nice. 
>> https://www.jasonmytail.com/2021/12/19/seymour-valley-loop/
>>
>> Of note, the partially-complete Riv timeline is on the site and I'm 
>> starting to populate a bikes summary with links to a writeup on each bike 
>> (very much wip) 
>>
>> On Saturday, 18 December 2021 at 15:40:17 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm good idea Eric, I do have jasonmytail.com which is where the 
>>> Rivendell timeline project is in progress as well. It's a bare-bones 
>>> website but I can definitely have a ride report blog section!  Something to 
>>> do over the holiday break perhaps.  Thanks for the kind words Eric and 
>>> Brendon! 
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 11:46 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for sharing, Jason. I always dig your pics and write-ups. Do you 
 have a blog? I'd encourage you to start one as a place to archive all 
 these 
 great stories! In the Wordpress, Blogger style of old. 

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> Another great ride report, Jason. You always manage to capture the 
> magic of a good bike ride with your photography. Thankyou.
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[RBW] Re: Bike repair stand build

[Eric Marth]

Glad to do it! Thanks, Michael. 
On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:29:54 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> thank you kindly for posting this, i was one who initially asked in your 
> build vids.
>
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 8:32:58 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all – I recently built a bike repair stand from gas plumbing parts and 
>> a woodworking clamp. It's not as slick as some of the readily-available 
>> stands out there but it gets the job done! There's a build video up here: 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETabxLXPiYY
>>
>> Thanks and be well to all of the Bunch. 
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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[Ryan]

VO Grand Cru brakes are good. Jan Heine reviewed them very favorably here. 
Not dead cheap but they're good looking and they work well. I replaced some 
Super Record brakes with these paired with TRP RRL's  and I have no 
complaints.

https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-test-velo-orange-grand-cru-brakes/ 

I 

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:24:34 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Hi Ben,
> For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. 
>
> Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length. 
> They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem to 
> have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well-- 
> perhaps because they're beefier than R559. 
>
> (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool Stop 
> pad.)
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
> Arlington MA
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good morning!
>> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
>> different reasons.
>>
>> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
>> the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
>> the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
>> chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>>
>> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just feel 
>> a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual experience 
>> than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the levers and 
>> the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and there's just 
>> not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if not enough 
>> force gets transferred into the pads.
>>
>> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up toward 
>> the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that moves down 
>> toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they contact the rim 
>> with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>>
>> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of kills 
>> me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a little 
>> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as 
>> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?
>>
>> Thanks for any and all thoughts!
>>
>> Ben in Omaha 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[Ben Mihovk]

Sorry...the VO reviewer said the Grand Cru brakes *could not* fit a fully 
inflated 35mm tire. 

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:08:03 AM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote:

> Thanks for the thoughts!
>
> I have the Yokozuna salmon pads on the v-brakes on the Atlantis and I love 
> them. I might try replacing the Kool Stop pads with those.
>
> I just looked at the Grand Cru brakes and am VERY tempted. Definitely have 
> a stronger/stiffer look to them than the R559. One reviewer on VO's website 
> says that they could fit an inflated 35mm tire through the pads when the 
> brakes are released. 38mm is as low as I'd go on this bike, so those brakes 
> (while definitely good looking and probably better performing than the 
> R559s) might be out of the question for me. 
>
> Ben
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:51:54 AM UTC-6 Tom M wrote:
>
>> +1 on replacing the stock pads, which are bad, especially in the rain. I 
>> replaced mine with the Yokozuna pads Rivendell sells, but I'm sure the Kool 
>> Stop would be an improvement as well.
>> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:24:34 AM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>> For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. 
>>>
>>> Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length. 
>>> They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem to 
>>> have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well-- 
>>> perhaps because they're beefier than R559. 
>>>
>>> (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool Stop 
>>> pad.)
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> shoji
>>> Arlington MA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good morning!
 I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
 different reasons.

 However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
 the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
 the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
 chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.

 Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just 
 feel a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual 
 experience than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the 
 levers and the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and 
 there's just not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if 
 not enough force gets transferred into the pads.

 The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up 
 toward the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that 
 moves down toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they 
 contact the rim with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.

 I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of 
 kills me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a 
 little 
 better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as 
 good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?

 Thanks for any and all thoughts!

 Ben in Omaha 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[Ben Mihovk]

Thanks for the thoughts!

I have the Yokozuna salmon pads on the v-brakes on the Atlantis and I love 
them. I might try replacing the Kool Stop pads with those.

I just looked at the Grand Cru brakes and am VERY tempted. Definitely have 
a stronger/stiffer look to them than the R559. One reviewer on VO's website 
says that they could fit an inflated 35mm tire through the pads when the 
brakes are released. 38mm is as low as I'd go on this bike, so those brakes 
(while definitely good looking and probably better performing than the 
R559s) might be out of the question for me. 

Ben

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:51:54 AM UTC-6 Tom M wrote:

> +1 on replacing the stock pads, which are bad, especially in the rain. I 
> replaced mine with the Yokozuna pads Rivendell sells, but I'm sure the Kool 
> Stop would be an improvement as well.
> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:24:34 AM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
>> Hi Ben,
>> For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. 
>>
>> Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length. 
>> They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem to 
>> have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well-- 
>> perhaps because they're beefier than R559. 
>>
>> (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool Stop 
>> pad.)
>>
>> Good luck!
>> shoji
>> Arlington MA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning!
>>> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
>>> different reasons.
>>>
>>> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
>>> the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
>>> the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
>>> chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>>>
>>> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just feel 
>>> a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual experience 
>>> than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the levers and 
>>> the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and there's just 
>>> not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if not enough 
>>> force gets transferred into the pads.
>>>
>>> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up toward 
>>> the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that moves down 
>>> toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they contact the rim 
>>> with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>>>
>>> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of kills 
>>> me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a little 
>>> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as 
>>> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any and all thoughts!
>>>
>>> Ben in Omaha 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

['Tom M' via RBW Owners Bunch]

+1 on replacing the stock pads, which are bad, especially in the rain. I 
replaced mine with the Yokozuna pads Rivendell sells, but I'm sure the Kool 
Stop would be an improvement as well.
Tom in Alexandria, VA

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:24:34 AM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Hi Ben,
> For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. 
>
> Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length. 
> They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem to 
> have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well-- 
> perhaps because they're beefier than R559. 
>
> (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool Stop 
> pad.)
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
> Arlington MA
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good morning!
>> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
>> different reasons.
>>
>> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
>> the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
>> the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
>> chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>>
>> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just feel 
>> a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual experience 
>> than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the levers and 
>> the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and there's just 
>> not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if not enough 
>> force gets transferred into the pads.
>>
>> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up toward 
>> the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that moves down 
>> toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they contact the rim 
>> with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>>
>> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of kills 
>> me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a little 
>> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as 
>> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?
>>
>> Thanks for any and all thoughts!
>>
>> Ben in Omaha 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Ben,
For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. 

Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length. They 
worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem to have 
more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well-- perhaps 
because they're beefier than R559. 

(Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool Stop pad.)

Good luck!
shoji
Arlington MA



On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good morning!
> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion different 
> reasons.
>
> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
> the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
> the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
> chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>
> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just feel a 
> million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual experience 
> than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the levers and 
> the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and there's just 
> not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if not enough 
> force gets transferred into the pads.
>
> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up toward 
> the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that moves down 
> toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they contact the rim 
> with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>
> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of kills 
> me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a little 
> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as 
> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?
>
> Thanks for any and all thoughts!
>
> Ben in Omaha 
>

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[RBW] Re: Which side cutters?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Consider Knipex bolt cutters. Pricey, but worthwhile. Mine have remained 
sharp over time despite cutting fender stays, cables, housing. (And using 
them for garden work, like cutting chicken wire and hardware cloth.)

I also have a set of Pedros, which I've only used with housing and cables. 
It works well, but my Knipex bolt cutter seems to-be close at hand most 
times.

Good luck!
shoji

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 2:17:43 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I have Park Tool cable cutters but not the kind that cut flush. What do I 
> get that cuts an inner shifter wire straight and flush? 
>
> Joe Bernard
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[RBW] Suggestions for better braking?

[Ben Mihovk]

Good morning!
I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion different 
reasons.

However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have the 
Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like the 
stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with chocos 
for upright riding with lots of stops.

Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just feel a 
million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual experience 
than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the levers and 
the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and there's just 
not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if not enough 
force gets transferred into the pads.

The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up toward 
the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that moves down 
toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they contact the rim 
with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.

I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of kills me 
to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a little better 
braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as good as 
v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?

Thanks for any and all thoughts!

Ben in Omaha 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which side cutters?

[Doug H.]

Klein tools are good. I have two pair of them that my dad passed on to me 
when he retired as an electrician. 
Doug

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's the Pedros cable cutters that I have on the way, not their diagonal 
> cutters, just to be clear.
>
> Ben
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 6:48 AM Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>
>> I have a pair of Pedros on the way to me as we speak...I'm going to do a 
>> total refresh on my cables and housing on my Sam in the next few days and 
>> needed something I could count on for clean cable and shifter housing 
>> cutting.
>>
>> I've cut shifter cable with cheap diagonal cutters with success and 
>> failure. In my experience, the difference was technique. A strong, quick 
>> "SNAP" of the tool yields a clean cut. A tentative one leads to bending 
>> wires and fraying.
>>
>> Ben in Omaha
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 5:54:22 AM UTC-6 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> I'm quite happy with the pair of Pedros that I've had for many years.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mermaid Builds

[Ryan]

Well...I'd love to hear the story. I'm sure it's a good one and I'm betting 
I'm not the only one who's curious

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 8:42:34 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Well, it’s a long story. I won’t hijack this thread with it here. But yes, 
> another Platy for different purposes. And now I’m really never buying 
> another bike. Ever. I’m set!
>
> On Dec 19, 2021, at 9:30 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> Another Platypus Leah? Very nice!
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 5:15:02 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Funny you should ask. Let me show you the green/lime/gold on a mermaid 
>> frame. I’ll link in the following post because it’s easier in Gmail….
>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:59:52 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>>
>>> In anticipation of the new mermaid Gus I picked up in the presale this 
>>> week,  I'm thinking through my existing components and wondering if I 
>>> should lean toward a black or silver build.  I had my orange Susie set up 
>>> with pretty much all silver everything with yellow and lime green bolts and 
>>> accents, but am wondering how that will look on the mermaid color. I've 
>>> been browsing photos on IG, but I'd love to see how folks on the list have 
>>> set up their mermaid Appaloosas and Platypuses, what bar tape colors you've 
>>> tried, component colors, etc. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus or Susie, am I crazy?

[Ryan Frahm]

Actually, I plan to put the same Pass and Stow rack on! 

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 6:39:19 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Great pictures Kelvin! Good to know about preferring a rear load. Though I 
> kinda suspected that with the chainstays. Maybe just low riders up front? I 
> was hoping to put a basket up front for around town at least, guess we will 
> see!
>
> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 4:05:31 AM UTC-8 kelv...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I live in Singapore. Sorry for the long delay, hope the photos 
>> make it through. This was right when I first built it up, I've since 
>> swapped out the stem for a slightly shorter one (100mm-80mm) and added a 
>> Happisack, which led me to an interesting observation of how the Gus Boots 
>> much prefers a rear load as compared to a front load.
>>
>> It's mostly paved roads around here in Singapore, we only have a few 
>> trails around, one of which requires taking a 15min boat ride out to a 
>> small island, but I am curious about 2.6" tires on the Gus, will definitely 
>> try those someday but for now am enjoying the extremely quiet and supple 
>> ride quality of the RH Umtanum Ridges.
>>
>> Kelvin 
>>
>> [image: gus 1.jpg][image: gus 2.jpg][image: gus 4.jpg][image: gus 3.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 9:39:23 AM UTC+8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> What country do you live in? (Sorry for leaving out a salutation; don't 
>>> know your name.)
>>>
>>> And please post the statutorily required photos!
>>>
>>> Patrick "2.2" is too skinny for our sandy acequia trails" Moore, in the 
>>> ABQ, NM, USA riverine bosque.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 10:01 AM 'kaelawoods' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 It's been 4 months since I built up my Gus, which also happens to be 
 the first Rivendell I've ever ridden. ( I live halfway across the world 
 and 
 Rivs are scarce here). I've never ridden a Jones nor do I own a disc brake 
 bike, but like you, I wanted a bike that can do it all, handle any trail I 
 come across, and the Gus has been doing all that, and more. It's a strong, 
 beautiful frame, definitely on the heavier side compared to my other low 
 trail randonneuring bike which is a real lightweight,  but man it's just 
 such a joy to ride. I think the wheel set and tires do contribute greatly 
 to the ride feel, i built up a a pair of Velocity Cliffhangers with a 
 front 
 dynamo and currently have Rene Herse Umtanum Ridges on them. They're only 
 2.2" but work well for the mixed terrain in my country. Single track took 
 some getting used to, which had nothing to do with the bike but the rider 
 I'm sure. :) I have a friend who owns the Susie and I think you can't go 
 wrong with either, but I think the Gus is just... invincible. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus or Susie, am I crazy?

[Ryan Frahm]

Great pictures Kelvin! Good to know about preferring a rear load. Though I 
kinda suspected that with the chainstays. Maybe just low riders up front? I 
was hoping to put a basket up front for around town at least, guess we will 
see!

On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 4:05:31 AM UTC-8 kelv...@me.com wrote:

> Patrick, I live in Singapore. Sorry for the long delay, hope the photos 
> make it through. This was right when I first built it up, I've since 
> swapped out the stem for a slightly shorter one (100mm-80mm) and added a 
> Happisack, which led me to an interesting observation of how the Gus Boots 
> much prefers a rear load as compared to a front load.
>
> It's mostly paved roads around here in Singapore, we only have a few 
> trails around, one of which requires taking a 15min boat ride out to a 
> small island, but I am curious about 2.6" tires on the Gus, will definitely 
> try those someday but for now am enjoying the extremely quiet and supple 
> ride quality of the RH Umtanum Ridges.
>
> Kelvin 
>
> [image: gus 1.jpg][image: gus 2.jpg][image: gus 4.jpg][image: gus 3.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 9:39:23 AM UTC+8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> What country do you live in? (Sorry for leaving out a salutation; don't 
>> know your name.)
>>
>> And please post the statutorily required photos!
>>
>> Patrick "2.2" is too skinny for our sandy acequia trails" Moore, in the 
>> ABQ, NM, USA riverine bosque.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 10:01 AM 'kaelawoods' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's been 4 months since I built up my Gus, which also happens to be the 
>>> first Rivendell I've ever ridden. ( I live halfway across the world and 
>>> Rivs are scarce here). I've never ridden a Jones nor do I own a disc brake 
>>> bike, but like you, I wanted a bike that can do it all, handle any trail I 
>>> come across, and the Gus has been doing all that, and more. It's a strong, 
>>> beautiful frame, definitely on the heavier side compared to my other low 
>>> trail randonneuring bike which is a real lightweight,  but man it's just 
>>> such a joy to ride. I think the wheel set and tires do contribute greatly 
>>> to the ride feel, i built up a a pair of Velocity Cliffhangers with a front 
>>> dynamo and currently have Rene Herse Umtanum Ridges on them. They're only 
>>> 2.2" but work well for the mixed terrain in my country. Single track took 
>>> some getting used to, which had nothing to do with the bike but the rider 
>>> I'm sure. :) I have a friend who owns the Susie and I think you can't go 
>>> wrong with either, but I think the Gus is just... invincible. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which side cutters?

[Ben Mihovk]

It's the Pedros cable cutters that I have on the way, not their diagonal
cutters, just to be clear.

Ben

On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 6:48 AM Ben Mihovk  wrote:

> I have a pair of Pedros on the way to me as we speak...I'm going to do a
> total refresh on my cables and housing on my Sam in the next few days and
> needed something I could count on for clean cable and shifter housing
> cutting.
>
> I've cut shifter cable with cheap diagonal cutters with success and
> failure. In my experience, the difference was technique. A strong, quick
> "SNAP" of the tool yields a clean cut. A tentative one leads to bending
> wires and fraying.
>
> Ben in Omaha
>
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 5:54:22 AM UTC-6 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> I'm quite happy with the pair of Pedros that I've had for many years.
>>
>> Nick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which side cutters?

[Doug Litchfield]

I have been using these fencing pliers for years.
Not something you'd put in the saddlebag, but..

https://www.galvinpower.org/best-fencing-pliers/#1_Channellock_85_Fence_Tool_Plier

Doug

On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 5:48 AM Ben Mihovk  wrote:

> I have a pair of Pedros on the way to me as we speak...I'm going to do a
> total refresh on my cables and housing on my Sam in the next few days and
> needed something I could count on for clean cable and shifter housing
> cutting.
>
> I've cut shifter cable with cheap diagonal cutters with success and
> failure. In my experience, the difference was technique. A strong, quick
> "SNAP" of the tool yields a clean cut. A tentative one leads to bending
> wires and fraying.
>
> Ben in Omaha
>
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 5:54:22 AM UTC-6 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> I'm quite happy with the pair of Pedros that I've had for many years.
>>
>> Nick
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[RBW] Re: Which side cutters?

[Ben Mihovk]

I have a pair of Pedros on the way to me as we speak...I'm going to do a 
total refresh on my cables and housing on my Sam in the next few days and 
needed something I could count on for clean cable and shifter housing 
cutting.

I've cut shifter cable with cheap diagonal cutters with success and 
failure. In my experience, the difference was technique. A strong, quick 
"SNAP" of the tool yields a clean cut. A tentative one leads to bending 
wires and fraying.

Ben in Omaha


On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 5:54:22 AM UTC-6 Nick Payne wrote:

> I'm quite happy with the pair of Pedros that I've had for many years.
>
> Nick
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Re: [RBW] Which side cutters?

[Steven Sweedler]

Joe, I’ll second the Felcos, but I have been using a nice set of Kleins
since I lost my Felcos.Steve

On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 2:17 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I have Park Tool cable cutters but not the kind that cut flush. What do I
> get that cuts an inner shifter wire straight and flush?
>
> Joe Bernard
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[RBW] Re: Which side cutters?

[Nick Payne]

I'm quite happy with the pair of Pedros that I've had for many years.

Nick

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