[RBW] Re: For sale: Rene Herse Babyshoe Pass 650B x 42mm – new

[J J]

*Theses tires have sold*. 
Thanks very much to everyone who inquired!

On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 6:29:06 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> Hi — these are brand new in packaging, a recent purchase. Selling because 
> we decided to go with fatter tires. Standard casing, tubeless compatible. 
> Two tires for sale.
>
> *$150 shipped in continental US*. 
>
> (This saves you ~$25 vs. buying direct. René Herse sells them for $74 
> each, and charged tax plus $17 for shipping (!) for a total of ~$175.)
>
> Please let me know via private message if you're interested. Thank you!
>
> [image: babyshoe1.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[Ryan Frahm]

That’s a lot of great information Keith, thank you for taking the time! 
First, the Chumba was made to use up to a 120mm suspension fork I believe. 
They are open about their higher than average bottom brackets. It was a 
very stable bike. The Susie was just a bike I’ve wanted since it came out. 
I finally decided to go for it because I’m not a very aggressive rider 
these days and have no desire to be. I couldn’t be happier with the 
decision!

I have owned a Jones LWB as well as the SWB after a Surly ECR. They were 
all low and definitely took time to adjust to. The ECR with similar drop 
felt even lower so I do have an idea what you are talking about at least! I 
did come to a deal on the Clem so I will have a very good chance to compare 
the rides soon! I’m very much looking forward to another bike that I didn’t 
know I NEEDED! 

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 3:13:48 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Good taste, by the way.   
> Your Chumba is designed to accommodate a suspension fork, right?  That's 
> probably why it feels so high.   It needs to have bb clearance even when 
> the fork is compressed.
> For a brief moment, I thought the Clem you're looking at was my old one  
> (same size, color, fenders).  I was about to call the friend I gave it to 
> and say "Hold up"
>
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 4:09:53 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:46:15 AM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting Keith! I definitely plan to use a Clem as my main commuter 
>>> to haul groceries and my daughter around. I absolutely love my Susie but 
>>> hate leaving it locked up outside when we are going in anywhere for more 
>>> than a few minutes. Do you find the Susie BB too high? It is low to me 
>>> coming from a Chumba Ursa. The Susie is like riding a wet noodle, in a good 
>>> way without much of a load. I imagine the Clem would be quite a different 
>>> bike. 
>>>
>>>
>> I don't think you can say that any bb is too high or too low - it just 
>> depends on what the bike is intended for and how you have it set up.   The  
>> distinction between bottom bracket "drop" - or distance below the axles of 
>> the wheels - and the finished "height" - or ground clearance - both matter 
>> equally, and it's hard to know what is making the difference for me since 
>> different tire diameters make it an apples-to-oranges comparison. 
>>
>> When I got my bought my Clem, I had visions of using it as a mountain 
>> bike.  That's how the model was originally conceived, in fact.  It really 
>> didn't work for me that way  because I didn't have enough standover 
>> clearance and I would regularly high-center on obstacles, so it kind of 
>> organically evolved into more of a road-ish, town-ish, smooth trail-ish, 
>> super-fast pathway cruiser.   It was fantastically comfortable - largely 
>> because of the generous, rivendell-typical bottom bracket drop - and it 
>> quickly became one of two bikes I ever wanted to ride.  Just not as a 
>> mountain bike.   Prior to that, I hadn't known I NEEDED a bike like that.
>>
>> When I got my Susie, it was with the intention of incrementally improving 
>> on my Clem, but keeping it for the same type of riding.   In other words, 
>> that same every-day bike I hadn't previously known I needed.  However,  
>> this model was ALSO very much conceived as a mountain (hill) bike and, in 
>> this case, Grant and crew consciously made it more purposeful... and used a 
>> higher bottom bracket / less drop.  Presumably for clearance to avoid pedal 
>> strikes. 
>>
>> Combined with my ginormous tires, I can't under-emphasize how much I feel 
>> the difference between the two bikes.  That's my main point - not that one 
>> is bad or one is good.  I feel like I'm perched on top of the Susie, while 
>> I rode inside of the Clem.
>>
>> The low, stable feel of the Clem is what made it and many other Rivendell 
>> models feel so comfortable and stable.  If you're coming from "normal" 
>> brands' bikes or older norba-era mountain bikes, the Susie will still feel 
>> low and great.   In my case, it so happens that my 3 other 
>> regularly-ridden, true "mountain bikes" all have even lower bottom brackets 
>> than the Susie. Like the Susie, they also have much slacker seat tube 
>> angles than is vogue for most mountain bikes these days. But they're not 
>> typical. Those models and my own tastes were both influenced by 
>> appreciation/preference for Rivendell's design philosophy.  So ironically, 
>> this personal experience makes my Susie feel high too.
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Potential buyer etiquette

[Peter Stock]

If ghosters then show back up a few months (or years) later for something
else, I usually remember them and so they lose the privilege of free
packing, Best Rate Shipping etc.
Or I just raise the price

peter stock
toronto canada

On Thu., Aug. 4, 2022, 7:14 p.m. Joe Mullins,  wrote:

> I’ve listed stuff for sale and gotten those types of “ghosted” messages
> from people who’s names I’ve never seen participate in discussions. I
> certainly won’t be holding any items for anyone just because they were the
> first to reach out. If someone says they want it I’ll hold there spot in
> line, especially if I recognize their name. Perhaps these “ghosters” should
> be put on the radar of the moderator? Three strikes you’re out?
>
> Just my $.02
>
> Joe in Los Angeles
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2022, at 4:01 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Joe, I think it's fair to expect someone to send you a quick, polite
> reply. Especially give this is a community of people with shared interests.
>
> It's tough to make sales happen when you're fielding multiple requests,
> you set something aside, someone doesn't follow up, etc.
>
> Though I must admit I don't think a post like this will sway anyone who
> doesn't follow up to start doing so. When I sell stuff I definitely give
> preference to people whose names I recognize as frequent posters and
> contributors — members, not lurkers!
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 6:43:26 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I guess it's spelled yea. So yay.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 3:28:35 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Ok kids, my recent experiences with folks who never reply after the
>>> first reach-out are starting to make me a little crazy. Ask for the
>>> shipping price, make an offer, knock yourselves out, but after I answer the
>>> trick is to tell me yay or nay. This used to be common but now I'm
>>> constantly being ghosted by people who act like their email suddenly
>>> stopped working.
>>>
>>> Is this a thing now? Am I just old and crotchety and need to get used to
>>> ghosts??
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Potential buyer etiquette

[Joe Bernard]

It would probably help if I had a better memory. I often don't recognize 
member names I know I should, so it's hard to tell who I'm dealing with 
when I get these emails/texts. It's just frustrating is all, I'm meticulous 
about communication when I'm looking to buy something so I expect the same. 
Maybe I should stop expecting that! 

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 4:14:20 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ve listed stuff for sale and gotten those types of “ghosted” messages 
> from people who’s names I’ve never seen participate in discussions. I 
> certainly won’t be holding any items for anyone just because they were the 
> first to reach out. If someone says they want it I’ll hold there spot in 
> line, especially if I recognize their name. Perhaps these “ghosters” should 
> be put on the radar of the moderator? Three strikes you’re out?
>
> Just my $.02
>
> Joe in Los Angeles 
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2022, at 4:01 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Joe, I think it's fair to expect someone to send you a quick, polite 
> reply. Especially give this is a community of people with shared interests. 
>
>
> It's tough to make sales happen when you're fielding multiple requests, 
> you set something aside, someone doesn't follow up, etc. 
>
> Though I must admit I don't think a post like this will sway anyone who 
> doesn't follow up to start doing so. When I sell stuff I definitely give 
> preference to people whose names I recognize as frequent posters and 
> contributors — members, not lurkers!
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 6:43:26 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I guess it's spelled yea. So yay. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 3:28:35 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Ok kids, my recent experiences with folks who never reply after the 
>>> first reach-out are starting to make me a little crazy. Ask for the 
>>> shipping price, make an offer, knock yourselves out, but after I answer the 
>>> trick is to tell me yay or nay. This used to be common but now I'm 
>>> constantly being ghosted by people who act like their email suddenly 
>>> stopped working. 
>>>
>>> Is this a thing now? Am I just old and crotchety and need to get used to 
>>> ghosts?? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Potential buyer etiquette

[Joe Mullins]

I’ve listed stuff for sale and gotten those types of “ghosted” messages from 
people who’s names I’ve never seen participate in discussions. I certainly 
won’t be holding any items for anyone just because they were the first to reach 
out. If someone says they want it I’ll hold there spot in line, especially if I 
recognize their name. Perhaps these “ghosters” should be put on the radar of 
the moderator? Three strikes you’re out?

Just my $.02

Joe in Los Angeles 


> On Aug 4, 2022, at 4:01 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> Joe, I think it's fair to expect someone to send you a quick, polite reply. 
> Especially give this is a community of people with shared interests. 
> 
> It's tough to make sales happen when you're fielding multiple requests, you 
> set something aside, someone doesn't follow up, etc. 
> 
> Though I must admit I don't think a post like this will sway anyone who 
> doesn't follow up to start doing so. When I sell stuff I definitely give 
> preference to people whose names I recognize as frequent posters and 
> contributors — members, not lurkers!
> 
>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 6:43:26 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> I guess it's spelled yea. So yay. 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 3:28:35 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Ok kids, my recent experiences with folks who never reply after the first 
>>> reach-out are starting to make me a little crazy. Ask for the shipping 
>>> price, make an offer, knock yourselves out, but after I answer the trick is 
>>> to tell me yay or nay. This used to be common but now I'm constantly being 
>>> ghosted by people who act like their email suddenly stopped working. 
>>> 
>>> Is this a thing now? Am I just old and crotchety and need to get used to 
>>> ghosts?? 
>>> 
>>> Joe Bernard 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Panaracer Pari-Moto 650B Tires

[Joe Bernard]

Hopefully you got it this time. Your email doesn't seem to be picking up my 
replies. 

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 1:28:26 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Need your address ...
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Aug 4, 2022, at 1:18 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> PM sent, my custom needs fast skinny tires! Also I like the name 
> Pari-Moto. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Joe "fast bike, slow rider" Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 9:29:18 AM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Absolutely brand new Pari-Moto tires for your 650B wheels. These go for 
>> about $40 each online plus shipping. I’ll sell the pair for $75 shipped in 
>> the USA.
>>
>>
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Potential buyer etiquette

[Eric Marth]

Joe, I think it's fair to expect someone to send you a quick, polite reply. 
Especially give this is a community of people with shared interests. 

It's tough to make sales happen when you're fielding multiple requests, you 
set something aside, someone doesn't follow up, etc. 

Though I must admit I don't think a post like this will sway anyone who 
doesn't follow up to start doing so. When I sell stuff I definitely give 
preference to people whose names I recognize as frequent posters and 
contributors — members, not lurkers!

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 6:43:26 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I guess it's spelled yea. So yay. 
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 3:28:35 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Ok kids, my recent experiences with folks who never reply after the first 
>> reach-out are starting to make me a little crazy. Ask for the shipping 
>> price, make an offer, knock yourselves out, but after I answer the trick is 
>> to tell me yay or nay. This used to be common but now I'm constantly being 
>> ghosted by people who act like their email suddenly stopped working. 
>>
>> Is this a thing now? Am I just old and crotchety and need to get used to 
>> ghosts?? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt photo archive on instagram

[Eric Marth]

I'm glad everyone who has said so is digging the pictures and reports. The 
guy definitely tackled some beautiful and stunning rides, not to mention 
mileage. I tallied one of his tours and it was something like 1,800 miles 
and over 100,000 feet of climbing. I think he was in his 70s at the time!

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:35:57 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Wow Eric! Those photos are fantastic. I tried to read Jobst' reports, but 
> came up short.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Corwin
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:26:47 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the tip, Rich, that sounds really cool. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:05:34 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the photo archive. For more stories and pics -- 
>>> specifically about the Bay Area rides Jobst and his pals did check out 
>>> Ray Hosler's recent book "Once Upon a Ride". 
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:54:29 PM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 Wow Eric, what a resource.
 Thank you so much.



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[RBW] Re: Potential buyer etiquette

[Joe Bernard]

I guess it's spelled yea. So yay. 

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 3:28:35 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ok kids, my recent experiences with folks who never reply after the first 
> reach-out are starting to make me a little crazy. Ask for the shipping 
> price, make an offer, knock yourselves out, but after I answer the trick is 
> to tell me yay or nay. This used to be common but now I'm constantly being 
> ghosted by people who act like their email suddenly stopped working. 
>
> Is this a thing now? Am I just old and crotchety and need to get used to 
> ghosts?? 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>

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[RBW] Potential buyer etiquette

[Joe Bernard]

Ok kids, my recent experiences with folks who never reply after the first 
reach-out are starting to make me a little crazy. Ask for the shipping 
price, make an offer, knock yourselves out, but after I answer the trick is 
to tell me yay or nay. This used to be common but now I'm constantly being 
ghosted by people who act like their email suddenly stopped working. 

Is this a thing now? Am I just old and crotchety and need to get used to 
ghosts?? 

Joe Bernard 

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[RBW] Re: FS Quickbeam 60cm Frame fork headset and BB

[Thomas McCause]

I just got the front rack (OMM) and basket (Wald 137) installed.  Just 
waiting on a new bag from Tunitas as a "congratulations on starting your 
15th year in public education" and it'll be as done as it's gonna be until 
I decide to redo everything.  You all know how that goes! 

On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 9:07:31 AM UTC-6 Thomas McCause wrote:

> Headed to the high desert of the Colorado Plateau!  Really looking forward 
> to it, as I had an SO that I sold when I was living in a more metro 
> location and was always afraid it might get nicked, so I didn't ride it 
> nearly enough.  
>
> Keep an eye out for it on the Best Slope of Colorado!
> -Thomas
>
>
> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 1:46:00 PM UTC-6 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> Headed to the mountains, just like your (former) Bombadil, which I now 
>> proudly call my own.  I hope the new owner likes the Quickbeam even half as 
>> much as I admire that Bombadil.  If these are the two that you got rid of, 
>> I can't wait to see the ones that you actually kept!
>>
>> Willet M.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 10:51:43 AM UTC-6 jamison brosseau wrote:
>>
>>> this bike is sold and moving to Colorado
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 1:38:05 PM UTC-4 jamison brosseau wrote:
>>>
 I have a great condition 60cm Green Quickbeam FS.  Price is $975 
 shipped CONUSA .  The Frame will come with sakae double crankset, bottom 
 bracket (shimano?). headset campagnolo, nitto technomic stem, and no name 
 post, Soma (?) swept back bars, tektro levers, and I what I believe to be 
 the original Suzue wheelset.  Saddle not included.
 [image: IMG_7190.jpg]

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[iamkeith]

Good taste, by the way.   
Your Chumba is designed to accommodate a suspension fork, right?  That's 
probably why it feels so high.   It needs to have bb clearance even when 
the fork is compressed.
For a brief moment, I thought the Clem you're looking at was my old one  
(same size, color, fenders).  I was about to call the friend I gave it to 
and say "Hold up"


On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 4:09:53 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:46:15 AM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Interesting Keith! I definitely plan to use a Clem as my main commuter to 
>> haul groceries and my daughter around. I absolutely love my Susie but hate 
>> leaving it locked up outside when we are going in anywhere for more than a 
>> few minutes. Do you find the Susie BB too high? It is low to me coming from 
>> a Chumba Ursa. The Susie is like riding a wet noodle, in a good way without 
>> much of a load. I imagine the Clem would be quite a different bike. 
>>
>>
> I don't think you can say that any bb is too high or too low - it just 
> depends on what the bike is intended for and how you have it set up.   The  
> distinction between bottom bracket "drop" - or distance below the axles of 
> the wheels - and the finished "height" - or ground clearance - both matter 
> equally, and it's hard to know what is making the difference for me since 
> different tire diameters make it an apples-to-oranges comparison. 
>
> When I got my bought my Clem, I had visions of using it as a mountain 
> bike.  That's how the model was originally conceived, in fact.  It really 
> didn't work for me that way  because I didn't have enough standover 
> clearance and I would regularly high-center on obstacles, so it kind of 
> organically evolved into more of a road-ish, town-ish, smooth trail-ish, 
> super-fast pathway cruiser.   It was fantastically comfortable - largely 
> because of the generous, rivendell-typical bottom bracket drop - and it 
> quickly became one of two bikes I ever wanted to ride.  Just not as a 
> mountain bike.   Prior to that, I hadn't known I NEEDED a bike like that.
>
> When I got my Susie, it was with the intention of incrementally improving 
> on my Clem, but keeping it for the same type of riding.   In other words, 
> that same every-day bike I hadn't previously known I needed.  However,  
> this model was ALSO very much conceived as a mountain (hill) bike and, in 
> this case, Grant and crew consciously made it more purposeful... and used a 
> higher bottom bracket / less drop.  Presumably for clearance to avoid pedal 
> strikes. 
>
> Combined with my ginormous tires, I can't under-emphasize how much I feel 
> the difference between the two bikes.  That's my main point - not that one 
> is bad or one is good.  I feel like I'm perched on top of the Susie, while 
> I rode inside of the Clem.
>
> The low, stable feel of the Clem is what made it and many other Rivendell 
> models feel so comfortable and stable.  If you're coming from "normal" 
> brands' bikes or older norba-era mountain bikes, the Susie will still feel 
> low and great.   In my case, it so happens that my 3 other 
> regularly-ridden, true "mountain bikes" all have even lower bottom brackets 
> than the Susie. Like the Susie, they also have much slacker seat tube 
> angles than is vogue for most mountain bikes these days. But they're not 
> typical. Those models and my own tastes were both influenced by 
> appreciation/preference for Rivendell's design philosophy.  So ironically, 
> this personal experience makes my Susie feel high too.
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[iamkeith]

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:46:15 AM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Interesting Keith! I definitely plan to use a Clem as my main commuter to 
> haul groceries and my daughter around. I absolutely love my Susie but hate 
> leaving it locked up outside when we are going in anywhere for more than a 
> few minutes. Do you find the Susie BB too high? It is low to me coming from 
> a Chumba Ursa. The Susie is like riding a wet noodle, in a good way without 
> much of a load. I imagine the Clem would be quite a different bike. 
>
>
I don't think you can say that any bb is too high or too low - it just 
depends on what the bike is intended for and how you have it set up.   The  
distinction between bottom bracket "drop" - or distance below the axles of 
the wheels - and the finished "height" - or ground clearance - both matter 
equally, and it's hard to know what is making the difference for me since 
different tire diameters make it an apples-to-oranges comparison. 

When I got my bought my Clem, I had visions of using it as a mountain 
bike.  That's how the model was originally conceived, in fact.  It really 
didn't work for me that way  because I didn't have enough standover 
clearance and I would regularly high-center on obstacles, so it kind of 
organically evolved into more of a road-ish, town-ish, smooth trail-ish, 
super-fast pathway cruiser.   It was fantastically comfortable - largely 
because of the generous, rivendell-typical bottom bracket drop - and it 
quickly became one of two bikes I ever wanted to ride.  Just not as a 
mountain bike.   Prior to that, I hadn't known I NEEDED a bike like that.

When I got my Susie, it was with the intention of incrementally improving 
on my Clem, but keeping it for the same type of riding.   In other words, 
that same every-day bike I hadn't previously known I needed.  However,  
this model was ALSO very much conceived as a mountain (hill) bike and, in 
this case, Grant and crew consciously made it more purposeful... and used a 
higher bottom bracket / less drop.  Presumably for clearance to avoid pedal 
strikes. 

Combined with my ginormous tires, I can't under-emphasize how much I feel 
the difference between the two bikes.  That's my main point - not that one 
is bad or one is good.  I feel like I'm perched on top of the Susie, while 
I rode inside of the Clem.

The low, stable feel of the Clem is what made it and many other Rivendell 
models feel so comfortable and stable.  If you're coming from "normal" 
brands' bikes or older norba-era mountain bikes, the Susie will still feel 
low and great.   In my case, it so happens that my 3 other 
regularly-ridden, true "mountain bikes" all have even lower bottom brackets 
than the Susie. Like the Susie, they also have much slacker seat tube 
angles than is vogue for most mountain bikes these days. But they're not 
typical. Those models and my own tastes were both influenced by 
appreciation/preference for Rivendell's design philosophy.  So ironically, 
this personal experience makes my Susie feel high too.



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[RBW] FS: Fancy Leather things (Brooks Bags, QP Shoes), Sugino XD2, Silca Pumps, random parts

[Minh]

i am in brooklyn by prospect park (and in chelsea 1-2x a week) if you want 
to meet in person!  i'm open to offers if you think i'm asking too much!  
thanks for looking!

shipping is extra but it should be between $7-$12 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/FAoCJqFbVZ737wZd6

Random Parts 

$75: Sugino XD2 cranks, chain guard, 40, 32. Some scuffs from heel on the 
arms, take a look at pics for teeth wear 

$20: Phil Wood front hub, used. this is an oldie, i had the matching 
oil-can rear at one point and sold the bike. if someone has a matching rear 
wheel and promise to reunite it, just pay shipping

$50: a pair of silca impero frame pumps, one in chrome, one in brushed 
silver. tbh, i never pumped a tire with these, they were always for show. a 
few scuffs and scratches. the silver one compresses to about 20.5", the 
chrome one 19.5". 

$make an offer: a few random bits, non-aero dura-ace levers, mks pedals 
(one missing a tab). offer whatever you think is fair. 

$120: Quoc Fixed Leather Cycling Shoes 

A review here: 
https://road.cc/content/review/170336-quoc-pham-new-fixed-shoes

I ordered these from overseas and am a little heartbroken that they are a 
touch too narrow. they are a beautiful brown leather, flat sole only, does 
not work with clips. i wear an 11 in dress shoes and these 45 are a little 
too tight. 

$20 Brooks Challenge Saddle bag, black (the tubular one): this ones is well 
used, straps are stretched and one of the buckle bolts was replaced with a 
nut and bolt. 

$30 Brooks Victoria Saddle Bag, yellow/mustard. This ones a bit odd, the 
idea is that you would slide it over your saddle and the back part hangs 
down, and when you got to your destination you would slide it off and carry 
it like a purse. In reality it doesnt really work well as either, but cute 
idea, well made, still works as a shoulder bag 

These next two were a collab that brooks did a few years back with the 
Royal College of Art in London (RCA), here’s a cool video, 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rL_3gMvghY=emb_logo 

they are so nice that I only mounted them a handful of times and don’t even 
have a picture of them on any of my bikes. Both have a few small scratches 
from being handled or mounted. 

$95 Brooks B4 Frame Bag, honey brown: some reference pictures,
https://vcoregon.com/products/brooks-england-b4-leather-frame-bag This 
mounts to the bike in the corner of the frame. About the same size as the D 
shaped bags. 

$95 Brooks B1 saddle bag, honey brown: some reference pics, 
https://www.modernbike.com/brooks-b1-small-bag---moulded-saddle-bag---honey, 
this one is a little more practical, turns into a decent shoulder bag/purse 
off the bike. Don’t think I ever mounted/used this. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt photo archive on instagram

[Corwin Zechar]

Wow Eric! Those photos are fantastic. I tried to read Jobst' reports, but 
came up short.

Thanks very much.

Corwin

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:26:47 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the tip, Rich, that sounds really cool. 
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:05:34 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Thank you for the photo archive. For more stories and pics -- 
>> specifically about the Bay Area rides Jobst and his pals did check out 
>> Ray Hosler's recent book "Once Upon a Ride". 
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:54:29 PM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Wow Eric, what a resource.
>>> Thank you so much.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

> Hey Bob and Jeremy, those are some very nice looking Clem’s!
>

Thanks! And to answer Max's question, I'm running a White Industries 
36-tooth chainring and an 11-42 MicroShift Advent 9-speed cassette. (Also, 
an Advent 9-speed derailleur and thumbie in friction mode.)

Bob E
Cranford NJ

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Re: [RBW] Panaracer Pari-Moto 650B Tires

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Need your address ...

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> On Aug 4, 2022, at 1:18 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> PM sent, my custom needs fast skinny tires! Also I like the name Pari-Moto. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Joe "fast bike, slow rider" Bernard 
> 
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 9:29:18 AM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
> Absolutely brand new Pari-Moto tires for your 650B wheels. These go for about 
> $40 each online plus shipping. I’ll sell the pair for $75 shipped in the USA.
> 
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: FS: 2 Nitto Cockpit kits + assorted Riv gear

[Michael Baquerizo]

Heya - i messaged about the hat. not sure if it hit your junk folder. 
please feel free to reach out.

Thanks!

On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:18:50 PM UTC-4 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

> It's a rainy day in South Alabama so I'm cleaning out my shed. 
> I have the following for sale:
>
> Drop Bar cockpit kit: $175 shipped
> * 48 cm heat treated Nitto Noodle $55
> * 10 cm x 26.0 Tallux Stem $45 
> * TRP RRL Drilled Levers $45
> * Tektro RL 720 Levers $15
> * German Mirror $15
> * (2) rolls yellow Newbaums Tape  
>
> Bulmoose Cockpit Kit: $245 shipped
> * Nitto fillet Brazed Bullmoose  $145
> * Shimano BL-r550 (for cantilevers) $25
> * Microshift Thumbies SL-T08 $65
> * Black ESI Grips $10
>
> Assorted Touring Gear:
> * Nitto R14 rack $125
> * Nitto F32 Rack $95
> * Trunksack small $75
> * Brooks B17 classic honey $65
> * Brooks D-shaped Saddlebag $65
> * MKS Sylvan pedals $15
> * Rivendell Cycling cap, never been worn $25
> * Topeak road blaster pump $25
>
> Please send PM for interest, thanks for looking.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[Ryan Frahm]

Hey Bob and Jeremy, those are some very nice looking Clem’s!

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 1:13:25 PM UTC-7 Jeremy Till wrote:

> I have a first-gen, 59cm Clem H, and my experience follow's Alex's. I have 
> an Xtracycle Edgerunner that fills the Dutch-bike-upright, low step-thru, 
> big-load-and-kid hauling niche for me, so my Clem is a unloaded, light and 
> zippy MTB, with Jones Loop bars, WTB saddle, and 2x9 MTB drivetrain with no 
> front derailleur. It feels fast and fun in this configuration, even with 
> relatively heavy wheels built around 36 hole Cliffhanger rims (natch). The 
> times that i've taken it on proper MTB trails I've been impressed by its 
> climbing ability on steep technical sections, although between kid, COVID, 
> and general lack of fitness, it's been quite some time since I've been able 
> to do a "real" MTB ride. Still plenty of fun on the gravel levees and 
> semi-legal riverside singletrack around here.  
>
> I haven't ridden a Susie or Clem L and have only ridden a prototype Gus a 
> couple of years ago. My impression was that the Gus was stiffer and beefier 
> than the Clem. The Clem hasn't ever had any weight guidelines, but I think 
> given my weight and use case Riv would probably recommend a Gus for me now. 
>
> Most recent picture of my Clem from last weekend: 
>
> https://flic.kr/p/2nCkKpx
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 9:37:22 AM UTC-7 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a Clem L and a Clem H.  The L has 18 speeds (2X9) and the L has 11 
>> (1X11).  The L was a stock build and cost me $1750 from Riv direct, though 
>> I later added an Atlas wheel set with Deore hubs.  The H cost me about 
>> $4000 all told, built up with nicer parts, dynolights, and the frame cost 
>> me a little extra as I had to source it from a shop in San Jose (Silva) 
>> which was holding on to the last unbuilt-up 52 H remaining in the world 
>> (that's my story and I'm sticking to it.)   My H is super zippy and, at 
>> times, I feel like it is pushing me up the gravel fire roads in the Marin 
>> Headlands.  The bike feels alive.  My L is reliable and, outfitted with a 
>> Pass and Stow 5-rail rack, can carry 50lb. loads from Costco with very 
>> little wobble.  I use it as my city commuter, and I enjoy every minute 
>> riding it, but it is definitely more Cadillac than Porsche.  Were I to 
>> switch out the parts and ride my L with my H setup, I might be singing a 
>> different song, but my experience is that the H is much zippier, and the L 
>> a bit more of a workhorse.  That's all I got.
>>
>> Alex
>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:12:44 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like the 
>>> idea of the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up while pulling 
>>> my daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting a leg over but 
>>> sometimes it could be a benefit.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only standing 
 still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex disappears. Of course 
 any 
 frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I sold mine & have 
 invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it though as the 
 step through is my favorite feature of the many features I love about this 
 bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just so nice.
 [image: image0.jpeg]

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of 
 flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some 
 folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that H, 
 it's a good frame! 



 On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a 
> bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high 
> for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice! 
>
> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use 
> as my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. 
> I 
> found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping for 
> some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H 
> just 
> has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the 
> same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go 
> than 
> a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price 
> bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me. 
> Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Panaracer Pari-Moto 650B Tires

[Joe Bernard]

PM sent, my custom needs fast skinny tires! Also I like the name Pari-Moto. 

Thanks, 
Joe "fast bike, slow rider" Bernard 

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 9:29:18 AM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Absolutely brand new Pari-Moto tires for your 650B wheels. These go for 
> about $40 each online plus shipping. I’ll sell the pair for $75 shipped in 
> the USA.
>
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[Jeremy Till]

I have a first-gen, 59cm Clem H, and my experience follow's Alex's. I have 
an Xtracycle Edgerunner that fills the Dutch-bike-upright, low step-thru, 
big-load-and-kid hauling niche for me, so my Clem is a unloaded, light and 
zippy MTB, with Jones Loop bars, WTB saddle, and 2x9 MTB drivetrain with no 
front derailleur. It feels fast and fun in this configuration, even with 
relatively heavy wheels built around 36 hole Cliffhanger rims (natch). The 
times that i've taken it on proper MTB trails I've been impressed by its 
climbing ability on steep technical sections, although between kid, COVID, 
and general lack of fitness, it's been quite some time since I've been able 
to do a "real" MTB ride. Still plenty of fun on the gravel levees and 
semi-legal riverside singletrack around here.  

I haven't ridden a Susie or Clem L and have only ridden a prototype Gus a 
couple of years ago. My impression was that the Gus was stiffer and beefier 
than the Clem. The Clem hasn't ever had any weight guidelines, but I think 
given my weight and use case Riv would probably recommend a Gus for me now. 

Most recent picture of my Clem from last weekend: 

https://flic.kr/p/2nCkKpx

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA



On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 9:37:22 AM UTC-7 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> I have a Clem L and a Clem H.  The L has 18 speeds (2X9) and the L has 11 
> (1X11).  The L was a stock build and cost me $1750 from Riv direct, though 
> I later added an Atlas wheel set with Deore hubs.  The H cost me about 
> $4000 all told, built up with nicer parts, dynolights, and the frame cost 
> me a little extra as I had to source it from a shop in San Jose (Silva) 
> which was holding on to the last unbuilt-up 52 H remaining in the world 
> (that's my story and I'm sticking to it.)   My H is super zippy and, at 
> times, I feel like it is pushing me up the gravel fire roads in the Marin 
> Headlands.  The bike feels alive.  My L is reliable and, outfitted with a 
> Pass and Stow 5-rail rack, can carry 50lb. loads from Costco with very 
> little wobble.  I use it as my city commuter, and I enjoy every minute 
> riding it, but it is definitely more Cadillac than Porsche.  Were I to 
> switch out the parts and ride my L with my H setup, I might be singing a 
> different song, but my experience is that the H is much zippier, and the L 
> a bit more of a workhorse.  That's all I got.
>
> Alex
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:12:44 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like the idea 
>> of the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up while pulling my 
>> daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting a leg over but 
>> sometimes it could be a benefit.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only standing 
>>> still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex disappears. Of course any 
>>> frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I sold mine & have 
>>> invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it though as the 
>>> step through is my favorite feature of the many features I love about this 
>>> bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just so nice.
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of 
>>> flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some 
>>> folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that H, 
>>> it's a good frame! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a 
 bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high 
 for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice! 

 I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use 
 as my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. I 
 found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping for 
 some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H just 
 has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the 
 same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go than 
 a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price 
 bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me. 
 Thoughts? Thanks in advance!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[maxcr]

Hi Bob,

What's your gearing on that awesome Clem? Chainring / cassette combo?

Thanks
Max

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 3:56:30 PM UTC-4 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

> My 52 Clem H serves me as both my trail bike AND my town bike. : ) It's 
> super versatile, comfortable, and rides beautifully.
>
> My wife has a 45 Clem L; I haven't ridden it for any substantial distance, 
> so I really can't weigh in on it how it rides, but I do see the benefits of 
> the step-through design.
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[Ryan Frahm]

That’s the one I’m looking at!

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:47:05 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> Did you see this one: 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/255655578437?hash=item3b86428b45:g:dJ4AAOSwqEli1Y2Q
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 2:45:00 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the offer, I’m looking at a 59. Just trying to decide if I 
>> can justify it as a companion to my Susie. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2022, at 10:52 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of 
>> flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some 
>> folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that H, 
>> it's a good frame! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a 
>>> bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high 
>>> for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice! 
>>>
>>> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use as 
>>> my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. I 
>>> found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping for 
>>> some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H just 
>>> has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the 
>>> same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go than 
>>> a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price 
>>> bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me. 
>>> Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Canti-Rom - 63 cm - CA only

[James Warren]

Hi Mike,

Standover is just under 88 cm with the Panaracer 700x37s on the bike.

- Jimmy

> On Aug 4, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim
> What is the standover height on this beautiful bike?  
> Mike SLO CA
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 4:05:43 PM UTC-7 Jimmy Warren wrote:
> 
> Hi RBW Forum Friends, 
> 
> Photos show a bike that’s been in my large hoard that has always gotten way 
> too few miles. (I have a Ram and a Hunq and a Hillborne and an Atlantis and 
> about 12 other bikes, so the Rom has often sat in my collection as “cool to 
> own,” but it’s a great, versatile road bike that needs to get out there. I’ve 
> taken great care of it since 2006 (when I got it via trade for a Heron 
> touring on this forum), and the frame has very few scratches and is in 
> outstanding condition. 
> 
> I have a 93 cm PBH, so this frame is about 1 cm too small for me. The long 
> and high Nitto stem in the photos shows how I addressed it and made the frame 
> size work for me.. I have many other stems if the buyer wants a different 
> dimension stem swapped in (but that would mess up the cork bar tape.) The 
> saddle height in the photos is probably a bit lower than my usual 81 cm. 
> 
> Asking $1500 which includes delivery to the buyer in California. Avoiding 
> shipping is my desire, and I enjoy CA road trips in the month of August. 
> Before August 11 or 12 would be ideal. PayPal or Venmo 
> 
> Components: 
> Dia Compe canti brakes 
> Tiagra drop bar brake levers 
> Nitto stem 
> Nitto Noodle handlebar - 44 cm 
> Riv Silver bar-end shifters 
> Shimano Ultegra headset 
> Suntour XC-Pro crank triple: 46-36-24 
> 12-34 SRAM 9-speed cassette 
> Dura Ace front derailleur 
> Deore rear derailleur 
> MKS sneaker pedals 
> Thomson seatpost 
> Seller San Marcos saddle 
> Panaracer Pasela 700x37 tires 
> Rear wheel is Lesnik-built: Alex DM18 with LX hub, 36 spokes 
> Front wheel is not a Lesnik: Sun CR-18 rim and a hub labeled “Shimano”, 36 
> spokes 
> 
> If interested, email me at: 
> jimmac...@gmail.com  
> 
> Thank you, 
> Jim Warren, long-time Forum member 
> 
> Photos, and I have more: 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[maxcr]

Did you see this 
one: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/255655578437?hash=item3b86428b45:g:dJ4AAOSwqEli1Y2Q

On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 2:45:00 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for the offer, I’m looking at a 59. Just trying to decide if I 
> can justify it as a companion to my Susie. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 3, 2022, at 10:52 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of 
> flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some 
> folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that H, 
> it's a good frame! 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a bike 
>> like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high for me! 
>> I do however find it to be almost too nice! 
>>
>> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use as 
>> my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. I 
>> found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping for 
>> some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H just 
>> has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the 
>> same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go than 
>> a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price 
>> bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me. 
>> Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Canti-Rom - 63 cm - CA only

[Mike Godwin]

Hi Jim
What is the standover height on this beautiful bike?  
Mike SLO CA
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 4:05:43 PM UTC-7 Jimmy Warren wrote:

>
> Hi RBW Forum Friends,
>
> Photos show a bike that’s been in my large hoard that has always gotten 
> way too few miles. (I have a Ram and a Hunq and a Hillborne and an Atlantis 
> and about 12 other bikes, so the Rom has often sat in my collection as 
> “cool to own,” but it’s a great, versatile road bike that needs to get out 
> there. I’ve taken great care of it since 2006 (when I got it via trade for 
> a Heron touring on this forum), and the frame has very few scratches and is 
> in outstanding condition.
>
> I have a 93 cm PBH, so this frame is about 1 cm too small for me. The long 
> and high Nitto stem in the photos shows how I addressed it and made the 
> frame size work for me.. I have many other stems if the buyer wants a 
> different dimension stem swapped in (but that would mess up the cork bar 
> tape.) The saddle height in the photos is probably a bit lower than my 
> usual 81 cm.
>
> Asking $1500 which includes delivery to the buyer in California. Avoiding 
> shipping is my desire, and I enjoy CA road trips in the month of August. 
> Before August 11 or 12 would be ideal. PayPal or Venmo
>
> Components:
> Dia Compe canti brakes
> Tiagra drop bar brake levers
> Nitto stem
> Nitto Noodle handlebar - 44 cm
> Riv Silver bar-end shifters
> Shimano Ultegra headset
> Suntour XC-Pro crank triple: 46-36-24
> 12-34 SRAM 9-speed cassette
> Dura Ace front derailleur
> Deore rear derailleur
> MKS sneaker pedals
> Thomson seatpost
> Seller San Marcos saddle
> Panaracer Pasela 700x37 tires
> Rear wheel is Lesnik-built: Alex DM18 with LX hub, 36 spokes
> Front wheel is not a Lesnik: Sun CR-18 rim and a hub labeled “Shimano”, 36 
> spokes
>
> If interested, email me at:
> jimmac...@gmail.com
>
> Thank you,
> Jim Warren, long-time Forum member
>
> Photos, and I have more:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt photo archive on instagram

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for the tip, Rich, that sounds really cool. 

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:05:34 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Thank you for the photo archive. For more stories and pics -- specifically 
> about the Bay Area rides Jobst and his pals did check out 
> Ray Hosler's recent book "Once Upon a Ride". 
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:54:29 PM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Wow Eric, what a resource.
>> Thank you so much.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[Richard Rose]

In this comparison it would certainly be nice to know the weights of each bike 
& how much of that weight difference is in the wheels / tires. I cannot imagine 
much difference in the weight of the frames?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2022, at 12:37 PM, Alex K  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a Clem L and a Clem H.  The L has 18 speeds (2X9) and the L has 11 
> (1X11).  The L was a stock build and cost me $1750 from Riv direct, though I 
> later added an Atlas wheel set with Deore hubs.  The H cost me about $4000 
> all told, built up with nicer parts, dynolights, and the frame cost me a 
> little extra as I had to source it from a shop in San Jose (Silva) which was 
> holding on to the last unbuilt-up 52 H remaining in the world (that's my 
> story and I'm sticking to it.)   My H is super zippy and, at times, I feel 
> like it is pushing me up the gravel fire roads in the Marin Headlands.  The 
> bike feels alive.  My L is reliable and, outfitted with a Pass and Stow 
> 5-rail rack, can carry 50lb. loads from Costco with very little wobble.  I 
> use it as my city commuter, and I enjoy every minute riding it, but it is 
> definitely more Cadillac than Porsche.  Were I to switch out the parts and 
> ride my L with my H setup, I might be singing a different song, but my 
> experience is that the H is much zippier, and the L a bit more of a 
> workhorse.  That's all I got.
> 
> Alex
>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:12:44 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like the idea of 
>> the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up while pulling my 
>> daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting a leg over but 
>> sometimes it could be a benefit.
>> 
>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only standing 
>>> still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex disappears. Of course any 
>>> frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I sold mine & have 
>>> invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it though as the 
>>> step through is my favorite feature of the many features I love about this 
>>> bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just so nice.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
 It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of 
 flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some 
 folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that H, 
 it's a good frame! 
>>> 
 
 
>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a 
>> bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high 
>> for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice! 
>> 
>> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use as 
>> my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. I 
>> found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping 
>> for some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the 
>> H just has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be 
>> about the same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as 
>> parts go than a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get 
>> a decent price bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a 
>> huge deal for me. Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[Ryan Frahm]

Thank you for the comparison Alex! I’d love for the Clem to be fun for a 
bit faster riding but I wasn’t expecting it to be so your comments about 
the L vs H are nice to hear! Though the parts difference on them make a 
huge difference I’m sure. The H I’m looking at has some upgrades over 
stock. A nice wheelset being the most important to me. 

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 9:46:15 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Interesting Keith! I definitely plan to use a Clem as my main commuter to 
> haul groceries and my daughter around. I absolutely love my Susie but hate 
> leaving it locked up outside when we are going in anywhere for more than a 
> few minutes. Do you find the Susie BB too high? It is low to me coming from 
> a Chumba Ursa. The Susie is like riding a wet noodle, in a good way without 
> much of a load. I imagine the Clem would be quite a different bike. 
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 9:37:22 AM UTC-7 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a Clem L and a Clem H.  The L has 18 speeds (2X9) and the L has 11 
>> (1X11).  The L was a stock build and cost me $1750 from Riv direct, though 
>> I later added an Atlas wheel set with Deore hubs.  The H cost me about 
>> $4000 all told, built up with nicer parts, dynolights, and the frame cost 
>> me a little extra as I had to source it from a shop in San Jose (Silva) 
>> which was holding on to the last unbuilt-up 52 H remaining in the world 
>> (that's my story and I'm sticking to it.)   My H is super zippy and, at 
>> times, I feel like it is pushing me up the gravel fire roads in the Marin 
>> Headlands.  The bike feels alive.  My L is reliable and, outfitted with a 
>> Pass and Stow 5-rail rack, can carry 50lb. loads from Costco with very 
>> little wobble.  I use it as my city commuter, and I enjoy every minute 
>> riding it, but it is definitely more Cadillac than Porsche.  Were I to 
>> switch out the parts and ride my L with my H setup, I might be singing a 
>> different song, but my experience is that the H is much zippier, and the L 
>> a bit more of a workhorse.  That's all I got.
>>
>> Alex
>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:12:44 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like the 
>>> idea of the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up while pulling 
>>> my daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting a leg over but 
>>> sometimes it could be a benefit.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only standing 
 still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex disappears. Of course 
 any 
 frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I sold mine & have 
 invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it though as the 
 step through is my favorite feature of the many features I love about this 
 bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just so nice.
 [image: image0.jpeg]

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of 
 flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some 
 folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that H, 
 it's a good frame! 



 On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a 
> bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high 
> for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice! 
>
> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use 
> as my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. 
> I 
> found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping for 
> some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H 
> just 
> has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the 
> same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go 
> than 
> a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price 
> bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me. 
> Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[Ryan Frahm]

Interesting Keith! I definitely plan to use a Clem as my main commuter to 
haul groceries and my daughter around. I absolutely love my Susie but hate 
leaving it locked up outside when we are going in anywhere for more than a 
few minutes. Do you find the Susie BB too high? It is low to me coming from 
a Chumba Ursa. The Susie is like riding a wet noodle, in a good way without 
much of a load. I imagine the Clem would be quite a different bike. 

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 9:37:22 AM UTC-7 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> I have a Clem L and a Clem H.  The L has 18 speeds (2X9) and the L has 11 
> (1X11).  The L was a stock build and cost me $1750 from Riv direct, though 
> I later added an Atlas wheel set with Deore hubs.  The H cost me about 
> $4000 all told, built up with nicer parts, dynolights, and the frame cost 
> me a little extra as I had to source it from a shop in San Jose (Silva) 
> which was holding on to the last unbuilt-up 52 H remaining in the world 
> (that's my story and I'm sticking to it.)   My H is super zippy and, at 
> times, I feel like it is pushing me up the gravel fire roads in the Marin 
> Headlands.  The bike feels alive.  My L is reliable and, outfitted with a 
> Pass and Stow 5-rail rack, can carry 50lb. loads from Costco with very 
> little wobble.  I use it as my city commuter, and I enjoy every minute 
> riding it, but it is definitely more Cadillac than Porsche.  Were I to 
> switch out the parts and ride my L with my H setup, I might be singing a 
> different song, but my experience is that the H is much zippier, and the L 
> a bit more of a workhorse.  That's all I got.
>
> Alex
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:12:44 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like the idea 
>> of the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up while pulling my 
>> daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting a leg over but 
>> sometimes it could be a benefit.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only standing 
>>> still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex disappears. Of course any 
>>> frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I sold mine & have 
>>> invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it though as the 
>>> step through is my favorite feature of the many features I love about this 
>>> bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just so nice.
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of 
>>> flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some 
>>> folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that H, 
>>> it's a good frame! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a 
 bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high 
 for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice! 

 I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use 
 as my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. I 
 found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping for 
 some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H just 
 has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the 
 same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go than 
 a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price 
 bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me. 
 Thoughts? Thanks in advance!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[Alex K]

I have a Clem L and a Clem H.  The L has 18 speeds (2X9) and the L has 11 
(1X11).  The L was a stock build and cost me $1750 from Riv direct, though 
I later added an Atlas wheel set with Deore hubs.  The H cost me about 
$4000 all told, built up with nicer parts, dynolights, and the frame cost 
me a little extra as I had to source it from a shop in San Jose (Silva) 
which was holding on to the last unbuilt-up 52 H remaining in the world 
(that's my story and I'm sticking to it.)   My H is super zippy and, at 
times, I feel like it is pushing me up the gravel fire roads in the Marin 
Headlands.  The bike feels alive.  My L is reliable and, outfitted with a 
Pass and Stow 5-rail rack, can carry 50lb. loads from Costco with very 
little wobble.  I use it as my city commuter, and I enjoy every minute 
riding it, but it is definitely more Cadillac than Porsche.  Were I to 
switch out the parts and ride my L with my H setup, I might be singing a 
different song, but my experience is that the H is much zippier, and the L 
a bit more of a workhorse.  That's all I got.

Alex
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:12:44 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like the idea 
> of the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up while pulling my 
> daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting a leg over but 
> sometimes it could be a benefit.
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only standing 
>> still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex disappears. Of course any 
>> frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I sold mine & have 
>> invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it though as the 
>> step through is my favorite feature of the many features I love about this 
>> bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just so nice.
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of 
>> flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some 
>> folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that H, 
>> it's a good frame! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a 
>>> bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high 
>>> for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice! 
>>>
>>> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use as 
>>> my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. I 
>>> found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping for 
>>> some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H just 
>>> has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the 
>>> same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go than 
>>> a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price 
>>> bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me. 
>>> Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[iamkeith]

I answered a similar question in more detail a while ago in other threads, 
and can try to direct you to them when I have time at a real computer.  
Short summary:  I got a Susie thinking it would be a replacement for my 
clem Clem H, assuming it would be similar with a few minor improvements.  
In fact, I find them to be very different bikes, and regret getting rid of 
the Clem on a daily basis.  Most significant difference to me was bottom 
bracket height.  But, even if they rode more similar, you could set them up 
differently and justify both:  one as a fenderless  knobby tired  
stripped-down trail bike; the other as a racked,  basketed and smooth-tired 
town bike.

Not a good place to ask for advice if you want FEWER bikes.
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:02:34 AM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a bike 
> like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high for me! 
> I do however find it to be almost too nice! 
>
> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use as 
> my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. I 
> found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping for 
> some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H just 
> has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the 
> same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go than 
> a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price 
> bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me. 
> Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt photo archive on instagram

[RichS]

Eric,

Thank you for the photo archive. For more stories and pics -- specifically 
about the Bay Area rides Jobst and his pals did check out 
Ray Hosler's recent book "Once Upon a Ride". 

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:54:29 PM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:

> Wow Eric, what a resource.
> Thank you so much.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[Ryan Frahm]

Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like the idea 
of the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up while pulling my 
daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting a leg over but 
sometimes it could be a benefit.

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only standing 
> still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex disappears. Of course any 
> frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I sold mine & have 
> invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it though as the 
> step through is my favorite feature of the many features I love about this 
> bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just so nice.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of 
> flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some 
> folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that H, 
> it's a good frame! 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a bike 
>> like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high for me! 
>> I do however find it to be almost too nice! 
>>
>> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use as 
>> my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. I 
>> found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping for 
>> some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H just 
>> has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the 
>> same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go than 
>> a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price 
>> bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me. 
>> Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
>>
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[RBW] Tire Sale 650b: 2 Juniper Ridge Standard and 1 Ultradynamico Rose JFF

[Alex K]

$150 Shipped CONUS
I am switching to Endurance Plus casing as I will be using my Clem H for 
commuting to and from work, while also maintaining the ability for gravel 
jaunts.  These tires all have about 300 miles on them, and would like to 
sell them all as a bundle.
Thanks!
Alex

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