Re: [RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

[Kieran J]

I've become really into SMP saddles - I have the Well (slightly padded) and 
a Dynamic (little padding) and they are both great. The 'dip' in the middle 
is really comfortable. 

KJ


On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 7:44:06 PM UTC-7 shopmonkey 39 wrote:

> C17 Carved is my preferred saddle. The have quite a bit more flex than the 
> regular C17.  
> If you don’t mind the generic look, old Advocet Touring saddles are pretty 
> comfy. 
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 6:11:30 AM UTC-7 
> jo...@chilmarkresearch.com wrote:
>
>> Saddles are a very personal choice. What fits one may not fit another 
>> thus I tread lightly into this topic. 
>>
>> Personally, been riding Fizik Alicantes for years. By far the most 
>> comfortable saddle on my road bikes. Do have a Prologo nago on my MTB which 
>> is quite nice as well. 
>>
>> Caveat: But what works for you is unlikely to be what works for me. 
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2022, at 8:17 AM, Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Ben -- most saddles are arc-shaped and I like flat saddles. 
>> I really liked my Velo Orange wide touring saddle. It's firm but not too 
>> firm and has a rubbery texture. Bag loops are a plus. I find this saddle to 
>> be not breathable enough for me (I don't wear bike shorts). My current 
>> saddle is a Selle Anatomica H2.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: some choice Paul/Nitto parts horde

[Alex Wirth]

Quick release bag holder is gone

On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 8:38 PM Alex Wirth <4824...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Pink skewers and boxcar stem are gone
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 1:36 PM Alex Wirth <4824...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Silver thumbies are gone
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 2:30 PM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
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>>
>>> Crankset is gone
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[RBW] Jennifer Weiner: First, I cried. Then, I rode my bike.

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Jennifer Weiner is a prolific author. I have read several of her novels but 
I did not know she likes to ride. She wrote a piece for The New York Times 
about how her bike moved her forward through her grief after her mother 
died of cancer. I believe I was first alerted to this story on the iBob 
group. I totally related to her story because when Dad died I did the exact 
same thing to get through those first months. Anyway, reading that piece 
prompted me to follow Jennifer on Instagram. She posts a lot about her 
rides, and she has just finished a work of fiction that takes place on a 
bike tour, titled The Breakaway. I am so excited to read it.

Anyway, she does something really great - she rides her bike to the cities 
on her book tours. She rides an elderly Trek with drop bars and colorful 
kit, and I WISH she knew about Rivendell. But regardless of her bike 
choice, she’s really inspiring and I hope you get some enjoyment from her 
NYT piece and her IG. I’ve attached a link.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/28/opinion/culture/grief-cycling.html
Leah

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Re: [RBW] Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[Eric Daume]

I’m with Joe on this one. It’s a lot of work on something that’s already
been rejected by riders… repeatedly.

Eric

On Saturday, September 24, 2022, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> My extremely "grouchy old man" feedback is the one RapidRise I acquired
> was a pain in the patooty to install and I didn't find any benefit to the
> reverse shifting. In this reporter's opinion! ‍♂️
>
> Joe "I don't mind if others like them" Bernard
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 1:15:10 PM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Last M760 RR data point — looking back at my old bike pix, at least one
>> of my reverse-normal M760s has been hard-at-work for 9 years. Was mounted
>> in 2013 for sure, maybe just a bit earlier.
>>
>> Jock Dewey
>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, et. al.:
>>>
>>> I stumbled upon Shimano RR M760 quite a few years ago and snatched a
>>> bunch of 'em up. Enough to mount on four 'daily' riders and a few more to
>>> replace any that stop working or suffer trauma, etc.. Shift levers are all
>>> Dura-Ace 9 speed mounted on DT.
>>>
>>> All of them are now as sharp and precise as the day they were attached.
>>> I don't ride gravel very often, my bikes are primarily built for the
>>> road—so there is that. But for every-day riding on the road, I can't image
>>> that giant spring softening up. And shifting up the cassette, especially
>>> under load, is as smooth and quiet and 'effortless' as can be. I know
>>> that's Grant's primary reasoning, because he told me.
>>>
>>> The one caveat—if there is one—is that if you suffer just a bit of
>>> dyslexia as I do (a left/right kind of dys) my experience tells me I can't
>>> go back and forth from 'low normal' to 'normal'. Makes me crazy. If you can
>>> always remember left from right, you'll probably have no problems.
>>>
>>> With a bit of compulsive polishing, these M760s are gorgeous units and
>>> will look perfectly 'at home' on any bike no matter the builder:
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/48660635053/in/
>>> dateposted-public/
>>>
>>> Another probably unnecessary/stupid maneuver I habitually follow is that
>>> when I park a bike at ride's end, I move the chain up the cassette to relax
>>> the spring. Don't know if this really matters or not, but it makes some
>>> sense to me.
>>>
>>> BEST / Jock Dewey / San Anselmo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 1:09:31 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Path Less Pedaled just did an entire video episode on Rapid Rise/Low
 Normal derailleurs that’s definitely worth watching.

 One point that came up in the comments from viewers is that shifting to
 lower gears is done entirely through the strength of the spring in the
 derailleur. Move the shifter to release more cable, and the *spring* pushes
 the chain onto a larger cog. In practice, according to people who had used
 RR/LN extensively, was that normal stuff that happens to derailleurs (they
 get dirty or muddy, or need lubrication) makes that spring’s job harder,
 with the result that it doesn’t work as well.

 Shifting to a larger cog also benefits from a slight decrease in
 pedaling pressure while shifting (again, to make the spring’s job easier).
 That’s not always possible when you’re grinding up a steep incline and need
 to grab a lower gear. This may be part of the reason why RR/LN was phased
 out … along with the fact that it was “different” in an industry that
 mostly prizes conformity.

 Full disclosure: I’ve never used a RR/LN setup, although I do ride
 almost exclusively with friction-shifting downtube levers.

 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy

 On Aug 22, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:

 Do you run a Rapid Rise derailer? Do you like it? Have you had one
 before and just didn't get it? What's the *deal?*

 With all the commotion over Rivendell's plan to build their own
 production low-normal derailer I figured I'd try one out for myself. The
 first one I picked up was an XTR RD-M951 which I suspected had a bent
 pulley cage, some of you may remember I posted about this mech a few weeks
 ago.

 I found this Nexave on eBay for $17 so figured I'd give it a shot. This
 model, to my mind, is *the* classic rapid rise derailer. Silver,
 shiny, long cage, external guide pulley, pivoting cable guide for a short
 bit of housing over the rear dropout. Grant mentioned that this was his
 favorite model, cosmetically. I like it, too.

 So far I haven't put many miles on it but no complaints. I like getting
 into the easier gears with a light touch. I'm running the derailer on my
 Appaloosa with a Silver 38/24 crank and a 9-speed 11-36 cassette. It's
 wired up to the original Suntour Power Thumb shifters which are mounted in
 the reversed, 

[RBW] Re: Ride report: Blue Ridge loop

[larson....@gmail.com]

Great ride report and pictures! A beautiful part of the world, to be sure.
Randy in Wisconsin

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 3:35:46 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Love these ride reports you've been doing, please keep up the good work!
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:22:49 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Blue Ridge ramble
>> 23 September 2022
>> 82 miles, 8,300 feet
>>
>> Taken with Ray Hosler’s accounts of long rides in the Sierras riddled 
>> with fire roads, trespassing and lots of climbing I’ve been looking for a 
>> way to attempt something similar in my part of the world. Unfortunately 
>> getting out to the mountains relative to where I live requires at least 
>> three hours of driving. That creates enough friction that I can’t manage it 
>> every weekend. I do wonder what kind of riding shape I’d be in with easy 
>> mountain access. 
>>
>> I’ve been investigating paper maps, Google maps and Strava maps looking 
>> for alternate routes and roads with an aim towards avoiding highways and 
>> roads well travelled. While I couldn’t find any confirmation that certain 
>> roads connected to others while remaining passable by bike I felt confident 
>> enough to try and make a loop. My original charted course was 125 miles, 
>> combining a new untested loop with an old, familiar one. 
>>
>> It seems that fall is on the way. The humidity has tapered off and we’ve 
>> had some lovely weather. Some days in the mid 70s and perfect, others in 
>> the high 80s and still quite nice. The forecast for my ride predicted a low 
>> of 48º in the morning with temperatures climbing to the mid 60s. This might 
>> sound just about perfect for a day out with lots of climbing but there was 
>> some unpleasant wind. With surface winds at 14mph and gusts up to 28mph I 
>> would later find myself freezing. 
>>
>> I prepared for the trip over the course of the week, making lists of what 
>> to bring along. There are stores and even restaurants along the route but I 
>> didn’t want to rely on them for all of my food and water. I brought along 
>> more than I needed. 
>>
>> I stuffed my Fab’s Chest with all of the below. 
>>
>> For food: A bag of peanut butter pretzel nuggets; an 85% chocolate bar; a 
>> blend of walnuts, coconut flakes and pumpkin seeds; a peanut butter, honey, 
>> coconut, salt and banana sandwich with shaved chocolate; and a stainless 
>> container with a handful of salad greens, half an avocado, a soft boiled 
>> egg, walnuts, a carrot and a tin of mackerel. 
>>
>> Gear: A bag with spare front and rear lights, a power pack for lights, 
>> phone and GPS. A spare tire (I’m still getting comfortable running my RH 
>> extralights). Hand sanitizer, wipes. Two bandanas. Paper map of the area, 
>> printed route instructions. Tool kit with Crank Bros multi tool, spare 
>> tube, patch kit, tire levers. 
>>
>> The weather forecast left me confused. Getting ready at 4:00AM I decided 
>> on a wool baselayer and a Patagonia Nano Puff. I wore my torn up Kucharik 
>> wool shorts and wool socks. I packed a pair of Defeet glove liners and a 
>> linen short sleeve shirt. I wish I’d worn a long-sleeve wool jersey, 
>> perhaps paired with a shell.
>>
>> My ride started on some gravel roads that had recently been scraped and 
>> surfaced which left lots of fluffy dirt that had me sliding at times. 
>> Perhaps there’s a tradition to scrape roads at the end of summer as I 
>> encountered this problem on gravel roads throughout the ride. My route took 
>> me along a quiet farm lane that follows a stream then onto a dirt road, 
>> with a strip of grass through the middle, with sorghum growing on one side 
>> and soy on the other. I turned onto a highway for a few miles, then into a 
>> neighborhood with many apple orchards, apple packing warehouses and a small 
>> post office. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2582.jpg]
>>
>> My climbing began on a paved road in the countryside which after several 
>> miles turned to a gravel fire road. 
>>
>> The fire road was a lot of fun and slow going. I used my 26T front ring 
>> and shifted through my cassette as needed, I wasn’t trying for speed but 
>> comfortable climbing. I didn't know what lay ahead and I didn't want to 
>> burn out early. The road was mostly in good shape with nominal sized 
>> gravel, some chunks, some ruts and a few areas where the original mountain 
>> rock came up through the road. I had no trouble with my 44mm Snoqualmie 
>> Pass tires. 
>>
>> The route is wooded and follows a river. There are charming mossy 
>> boulders and I can see this place looking like heaven in another month. So 
>> far, some leaves have fallen but there is not much color in the canopies. 
>>
>> [image: 220923 01.jpg]
>>
>> Along the climb I passed a few campers and a pair of guys in waders 
>> carrying flyrods. I was mostly out there alone, climbing and climbing, 
>> 3,000 feet over 13 miles. To date this was my longest climb. 
>>
>> After several hours I’d reached the ridge 

Re: [RBW] Riv Hobson - Zingo cable cutter

[Garth]

Eric, they cut well because it appears they're actually some high fallutin' 
diagonal cutters, model 388ACF Snap-On.   
https://shop.snapon.com/product/High-Leverage-Diagonal/8%22-VectorEdge-High-Leverage-Diagonal-Cutter-(Red)/388ACF

I often get the types mixed up as it's not something I work with at all, 
and it seems the names/types get all blurry from one manufacturer to the 
next. Regardless of the cutter every housing cut I've ever done required 
some minor finishing to make it flush and friction free inside. The Snap-On 
just seems to mash it less, not a big deal. but hey ... the tool was a 
roadside find and I may as well use it. I also use an old wooden handled 
reamer sorta thing that I've had likely since I was a teenager. It may have 
been a leather punch or something. It works great for reaming and rotating 
the spiral housing to get it just right, along with some trusty vintage 
hand files.

Allen hex key wrenches... sheesh .. .. is it so hard to make a 5mm hex key 
fit a 5mm socket well ? Apparently so as there are many inaccurate ones. I 
may have to get a set of the Wex .. 

I bought a Pedro's spoke wrench a while ago, I was surprised how well it 
fit a spoke nipple compared to the regular black DT. Don't use it if you're 
in hurry though, it's a precise fit ! Pedro's Chain Checker Plus also is a 
very good tool, and it has at one end the tool for tightening chainring 
bolts. It's long overall length means you not only don't scrape your 
knuckles but you get better leverage. 

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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Blue Ridge loop

[duh...@gmail.com]

Love these ride reports you've been doing, please keep up the good work!

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:22:49 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Blue Ridge ramble
> 23 September 2022
> 82 miles, 8,300 feet
>
> Taken with Ray Hosler’s accounts of long rides in the Sierras riddled with 
> fire roads, trespassing and lots of climbing I’ve been looking for a way to 
> attempt something similar in my part of the world. Unfortunately getting 
> out to the mountains relative to where I live requires at least three hours 
> of driving. That creates enough friction that I can’t manage it every 
> weekend. I do wonder what kind of riding shape I’d be in with easy mountain 
> access. 
>
> I’ve been investigating paper maps, Google maps and Strava maps looking 
> for alternate routes and roads with an aim towards avoiding highways and 
> roads well travelled. While I couldn’t find any confirmation that certain 
> roads connected to others while remaining passable by bike I felt confident 
> enough to try and make a loop. My original charted course was 125 miles, 
> combining a new untested loop with an old, familiar one. 
>
> It seems that fall is on the way. The humidity has tapered off and we’ve 
> had some lovely weather. Some days in the mid 70s and perfect, others in 
> the high 80s and still quite nice. The forecast for my ride predicted a low 
> of 48º in the morning with temperatures climbing to the mid 60s. This might 
> sound just about perfect for a day out with lots of climbing but there was 
> some unpleasant wind. With surface winds at 14mph and gusts up to 28mph I 
> would later find myself freezing. 
>
> I prepared for the trip over the course of the week, making lists of what 
> to bring along. There are stores and even restaurants along the route but I 
> didn’t want to rely on them for all of my food and water. I brought along 
> more than I needed. 
>
> I stuffed my Fab’s Chest with all of the below. 
>
> For food: A bag of peanut butter pretzel nuggets; an 85% chocolate bar; a 
> blend of walnuts, coconut flakes and pumpkin seeds; a peanut butter, honey, 
> coconut, salt and banana sandwich with shaved chocolate; and a stainless 
> container with a handful of salad greens, half an avocado, a soft boiled 
> egg, walnuts, a carrot and a tin of mackerel. 
>
> Gear: A bag with spare front and rear lights, a power pack for lights, 
> phone and GPS. A spare tire (I’m still getting comfortable running my RH 
> extralights). Hand sanitizer, wipes. Two bandanas. Paper map of the area, 
> printed route instructions. Tool kit with Crank Bros multi tool, spare 
> tube, patch kit, tire levers. 
>
> The weather forecast left me confused. Getting ready at 4:00AM I decided 
> on a wool baselayer and a Patagonia Nano Puff. I wore my torn up Kucharik 
> wool shorts and wool socks. I packed a pair of Defeet glove liners and a 
> linen short sleeve shirt. I wish I’d worn a long-sleeve wool jersey, 
> perhaps paired with a shell.
>
> My ride started on some gravel roads that had recently been scraped and 
> surfaced which left lots of fluffy dirt that had me sliding at times. 
> Perhaps there’s a tradition to scrape roads at the end of summer as I 
> encountered this problem on gravel roads throughout the ride. My route took 
> me along a quiet farm lane that follows a stream then onto a dirt road, 
> with a strip of grass through the middle, with sorghum growing on one side 
> and soy on the other. I turned onto a highway for a few miles, then into a 
> neighborhood with many apple orchards, apple packing warehouses and a small 
> post office. 
>
> [image: IMG_2582.jpg]
>
> My climbing began on a paved road in the countryside which after several 
> miles turned to a gravel fire road. 
>
> The fire road was a lot of fun and slow going. I used my 26T front ring 
> and shifted through my cassette as needed, I wasn’t trying for speed but 
> comfortable climbing. I didn't know what lay ahead and I didn't want to 
> burn out early. The road was mostly in good shape with nominal sized 
> gravel, some chunks, some ruts and a few areas where the original mountain 
> rock came up through the road. I had no trouble with my 44mm Snoqualmie 
> Pass tires. 
>
> The route is wooded and follows a river. There are charming mossy boulders 
> and I can see this place looking like heaven in another month. So far, some 
> leaves have fallen but there is not much color in the canopies. 
>
> [image: 220923 01.jpg]
>
> Along the climb I passed a few campers and a pair of guys in waders 
> carrying flyrods. I was mostly out there alone, climbing and climbing, 
> 3,000 feet over 13 miles. To date this was my longest climb. 
>
> After several hours I’d reached the ridge line road that’s part of the 
> national park. Every time I looked at the elapsed time and clock on my 
> Wahoo I was surprised. Time was flying by, I was moving slowly and the 
> hours were racking up. In the woods the light did not seem to be changing 
> and the 

Re: [RBW] Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[Joe Bernard]

My extremely "grouchy old man" feedback is the one RapidRise I acquired was 
a pain in the patooty to install and I didn't find any benefit to the 
reverse shifting. In this reporter's opinion! ‍♂️

Joe "I don't mind if others like them" Bernard 

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 1:15:10 PM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> Last M760 RR data point — looking back at my old bike pix, at least one of 
> my reverse-normal M760s has been hard-at-work for 9 years. Was mounted in 
> 2013 for sure, maybe just a bit earlier. 
>
> Jock Dewey
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Eric, et. al.:
>>
>> I stumbled upon Shimano RR M760 quite a few years ago and snatched a 
>> bunch of 'em up. Enough to mount on four 'daily' riders and a few more to 
>> replace any that stop working or suffer trauma, etc.. Shift levers are all 
>> Dura-Ace 9 speed mounted on DT.
>>
>> All of them are now as sharp and precise as the day they were attached. I 
>> don't ride gravel very often, my bikes are primarily built for the road—so 
>> there is that. But for every-day riding on the road, I can't image that 
>> giant spring softening up. And shifting up the cassette, especially under 
>> load, is as smooth and quiet and 'effortless' as can be. I know that's 
>> Grant's primary reasoning, because he told me.
>>
>> The one caveat—if there is one—is that if you suffer just a bit of 
>> dyslexia as I do (a left/right kind of dys) my experience tells me I can't 
>> go back and forth from 'low normal' to 'normal'. Makes me crazy. If you can 
>> always remember left from right, you'll probably have no problems. 
>>
>> With a bit of compulsive polishing, these M760s are gorgeous units and 
>> will look perfectly 'at home' on any bike no matter the builder: 
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/48660635053/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> Another probably unnecessary/stupid maneuver I habitually follow is that 
>> when I park a bike at ride's end, I move the chain up the cassette to relax 
>> the spring. Don't know if this really matters or not, but it makes some 
>> sense to me.
>>
>> BEST / Jock Dewey / San Anselmo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 1:09:31 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> Path Less Pedaled just did an entire video episode on Rapid Rise/Low 
>>> Normal derailleurs that’s definitely worth watching.
>>>
>>> One point that came up in the comments from viewers is that shifting to 
>>> lower gears is done entirely through the strength of the spring in the 
>>> derailleur. Move the shifter to release more cable, and the *spring* pushes 
>>> the chain onto a larger cog. In practice, according to people who had used 
>>> RR/LN extensively, was that normal stuff that happens to derailleurs (they 
>>> get dirty or muddy, or need lubrication) makes that spring’s job harder, 
>>> with the result that it doesn’t work as well. 
>>>
>>> Shifting to a larger cog also benefits from a slight decrease in 
>>> pedaling pressure while shifting (again, to make the spring’s job easier). 
>>> That’s not always possible when you’re grinding up a steep incline and need 
>>> to grab a lower gear. This may be part of the reason why RR/LN was phased 
>>> out … along with the fact that it was “different” in an industry that 
>>> mostly prizes conformity.
>>>
>>> Full disclosure: I’ve never used a RR/LN setup, although I do ride 
>>> almost exclusively with friction-shifting downtube levers.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you run a Rapid Rise derailer? Do you like it? Have you had one 
>>> before and just didn't get it? What's the *deal?*
>>>
>>> With all the commotion over Rivendell's plan to build their own 
>>> production low-normal derailer I figured I'd try one out for myself. The 
>>> first one I picked up was an XTR RD-M951 which I suspected had a bent 
>>> pulley cage, some of you may remember I posted about this mech a few weeks 
>>> ago. 
>>>
>>> I found this Nexave on eBay for $17 so figured I'd give it a shot. This 
>>> model, to my mind, is *the* classic rapid rise derailer. Silver, shiny, 
>>> long cage, external guide pulley, pivoting cable guide for a short bit of 
>>> housing over the rear dropout. Grant mentioned that this was his favorite 
>>> model, cosmetically. I like it, too. 
>>>
>>> So far I haven't put many miles on it but no complaints. I like getting 
>>> into the easier gears with a light touch. I'm running the derailer on my 
>>> Appaloosa with a Silver 38/24 crank and a 9-speed 11-36 cassette. It's 
>>> wired up to the original Suntour Power Thumb shifters which are mounted in 
>>> the reversed, under-hand style also known as the Riv-versed or Rivendell 
>>> brifter style. 
>>>
>>> With the reverse-mounted shifters I did like pushing the lever away from 
>>> me to get an easier gear with a high-normal derailer 

[RBW] Re: WTB: Small Fabio's Chest Bag

[duh...@gmail.com]

Great recommendation Eric, I'm on it!

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:02:05 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Jared, if you haven't, check out the Crust Classified section on their 
> website. Lots of Fabs come and go over there and you could post a WTB. 
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 1:21:16 AM UTC-4 duh...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Looking for a small Fabio's chest, neutral colors preferred. 
>>
>> Please respond off list if you have something :)
>>
>> Jared in SLO 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Celebrating Triangulation

[duh...@gmail.com]

What a beauty! I wonder where it is now?

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 12:40:27 PM UTC-7 Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:

> One I wish I had not sold damit: the ultra rare "Campeur-style" Rivendell 
> Bombadil. 
>
> [image: 7575369944_10ba04426b_c.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 12:46:45 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Pedersen..1893.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2022, 9:00 AM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> The Classic Pastoorfiets:
>>>
>>> [image: pastoorfiets.JPG]
>>>
>>> Rivendell Roscoe Bubbe V1
>>>
>>> [image: tumblr_oa0tarSucD1voz7cio2_1280.jpg]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 10:30:05 AM UTC-4 Marty Gierke, 
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>>
 I've always liked but never ridden a Moulton. The Space Frame concept 
 is appealing on a number of levels, and the spin offs are many - some a 
 little excessive IMHO. Fun to see how people are thinking about frames, 
 structure, materials and assembly techniques. Here are just a few I've run 
 across that got my attention:

 Starting with the Moulton classic
 [image: 43e339da98ee9cc2b1c1799047bcbce1.jpeg]

 This one a titanium riveted erector set style from BME Design
 [image: e7c56bb57935311f0a1574a3fe6e3f1e.jpeg]

 Here's the full view
 [image: 0ceea0e490d7a78b1eb2eff691d507b8.jpeg]
 It's not easy being green - especially if you are the builder...
 [image: ff9068c50ab4db07256342404ef48b4d.jpeg]
 Another BME creation - carbon this time[image: 
 6cee7b5562bc58ec48649553c2d66562.jpeg]
 This last one is a little over the top...Wonder what the frame alone 
 weighs?
 [image: fb92e58ad355408ada73e7c27a6084f5.jpeg]

 Not sure if any of these beats a classic diamond frame in terms of 
 elegance, but I appreciate the effort that is evident in all of them. 
 Please add your favorites if the mood strikes. 

 Marty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[J J]

I would definitely buy a Riv OM RD. No hesitation. 

I also have a hoard of low normal mechs. After I tried one and loved it, I 
went all in with almost every Shimano model I could find. Maybe too much 
all in! But I like having multiple redundant backups of things that work 
for me. I have sold some because I’m the living embodiment of the tension 
between the urge to acquire and the urge to purge.

I can’t wait to see Rivendell’s actual production model. The drawing 
suggests the design is an amalgam of different RDs, high end and low end, 
part homage, part “borrowing.” So curious how unified it will look in 
actuality. But ultimately what matters most is that it will even come into 
existence, being so contrary to the market tide… and how it functions on a 
bike in the real world. 

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 1:59:39 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Laing, I love the look of those mechs. The Le Tour, the Rally, and the new 
> Record. With the drillium it does seem they're harkening back to the cages 
> of the Shimano Crane. It almost looks like your picture is from their 
> research files! 
>
> Bill, I think you're right, we'd moan if we missed out. I think I'll get 
> one just to have one and to support such an insane project for a company of 
> Riv's size to undertake and, hopefully, see through to the end. 
>
> Were those Paul derailers any good? They look cool but I've never read any 
> accounts of how they worked (or didn't). 
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:40:11 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> This demographic is the type that will handwring over the price while the 
>> part is available, and then bellyache when it is not available anymore, 
>> finally bemoaning "if they ever bring it back I would buy two!"  :)
>>
>> It's what some people say about Paul rear derailers.  They were what 
>> $350?  They/we complained that they were expensive, then complained when 
>> they went away, and now you often see comments "I hope Paul reintroduces 
>> their RD!"  
>>
>> Anyway, I'm almost as into Rapid Rise as Grant is, so I bought a bunch of 
>> XT M751 when they were being closed out, so I have a lifetime supply.  That 
>> said, a bike company in 2022 developing their own rear derailer is kind of 
>> an awesome achievement, and I'm proud of Grant and the rest of those who 
>> worked on it.  I'd probably buy one even as an artifact of audacity.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 8:18:56 AM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>>> Probably not, my vintage SunTour stuff is going strong on my existing 
>>> fleet, and future bike purchases will almost certainly have contemporary 
>>> drivetrains.
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA 
>>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2022, at 7:07 AM, lconley  wrote:
>>>
>>> I love the Campagnolo inspired textured surface and the Shimano Crane 
>>> GS (Schwinn Le Tour GT300) inspired drillium pulley cage. I will buy 
>>> one.[image: 
>>> Derailleurs (3)s.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 9:41:55 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In case anyone missed it, Grant posted some updates 
 
  
 on their new derailer.

 Looks like they found another place to have them fabricated (no more 
 $350 samples for them) and that retail cost (for us!) will be $175. That's 
 about $125 more than I've ever paid for a rear derailer. What do you all 
 think? Would you spend the $175 for one of these when you can get a 
 vintage 
 Shimano rapid rise on ebay for way less? 

 Image below is latest design. I think they mentioned on instagram that 
 the red parts will *not* *be red.* Thank goodness. Give me silver with 
 black pulley wheels. If you thought that Shimano 600EX arabesque 
 flourishes 
 were too groovy, well, check out the peace sign detail in that pulley 
 cage. 



 [image: download.png]

 On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 5:34:42 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Really hard to make ends meet with a 20% markup. With a 10% or 20% 
> markup, you're more likely to be selling groceries than bikes.
>
> I would be discouraged too. Working hard and putting lots of resources 
> behind a project you love - only to have it become impossible is really 
> tough to deal with.
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
>
> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 6:14:35 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I read the blog. The $345 would presumably be Riv's wholesale 
>> price, right? So... assuming a nominal retail markup of, say, 20%, the 
>>  price would be ~$415 for the end user. No idea if there is a standard 
>> industry markup, and we know Rivendell marches to their own rhythm. A 
>> 10% 
>> markup would be ~$380; 30% ~$450. Grant seemed disheartened. I really 
>> appreciate 

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[Bill Schairer]

My mechanical reasoning challenged mind does not get the apparently self 
evident "mechanically, logically, intuitively, low-normal/RapidRise 
derailers are better…"  If I cared that my shifters both went the same way 
to get to a lower gear I would probably go to a reverse pull front 
derailleur to achieve that.  I agree, I want my low NOW and my experience 
is I get that when I am pulling the derailleur not when the spring is.  To 
me, this is why a reverse pull front derailleur on a tandem is sometimes a 
solution to having trouble shifting to a granny on a tandem - the springs 
just seem to have trouble counteracting any chain tension.  It is easier on 
a single to release all the tension so the spring of normal pull front 
derailleurs usually handle that shift without too much trouble.  I also 
don't buy that low normal didn't take because of racers.  The slant 
parallelogram was a big success for Suntour because they actually were so 
much better even though the pros weren't using Suntour derailleurs.  I 
kinda think that if OM actually was so much better they also would have 
succeeded in the market.  I have nothing against them and think it is great 
that there are choices to meet various needs or desires, I'm just not 
personally moved. 

 I still find the Rene Herse rear derailleur the most intriguing of the 
small shop derailleurs.  If it could handle a cog larger than what FKT 
riders use I might even be tempted to give one a try.  Wait, I thought he 
sold those but I can't find them on their website??

Bill S 
San Diego

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 10:59:39 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Laing, I love the look of those mechs. The Le Tour, the Rally, and the new 
> Record. With the drillium it does seem they're harkening back to the cages 
> of the Shimano Crane. It almost looks like your picture is from their 
> research files! 
>
> Bill, I think you're right, we'd moan if we missed out. I think I'll get 
> one just to have one and to support such an insane project for a company of 
> Riv's size to undertake and, hopefully, see through to the end. 
>
> Were those Paul derailers any good? They look cool but I've never read any 
> accounts of how they worked (or didn't). 
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:40:11 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> This demographic is the type that will handwring over the price while the 
>> part is available, and then bellyache when it is not available anymore, 
>> finally bemoaning "if they ever bring it back I would buy two!"  :)
>>
>> It's what some people say about Paul rear derailers.  They were what 
>> $350?  They/we complained that they were expensive, then complained when 
>> they went away, and now you often see comments "I hope Paul reintroduces 
>> their RD!"  
>>
>> Anyway, I'm almost as into Rapid Rise as Grant is, so I bought a bunch of 
>> XT M751 when they were being closed out, so I have a lifetime supply.  That 
>> said, a bike company in 2022 developing their own rear derailer is kind of 
>> an awesome achievement, and I'm proud of Grant and the rest of those who 
>> worked on it.  I'd probably buy one even as an artifact of audacity.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 8:18:56 AM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>>> Probably not, my vintage SunTour stuff is going strong on my existing 
>>> fleet, and future bike purchases will almost certainly have contemporary 
>>> drivetrains.
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA 
>>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2022, at 7:07 AM, lconley  wrote:
>>>
>>> I love the Campagnolo inspired textured surface and the Shimano Crane 
>>> GS (Schwinn Le Tour GT300) inspired drillium pulley cage. I will buy 
>>> one.[image: 
>>> Derailleurs (3)s.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 9:41:55 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In case anyone missed it, Grant posted some updates 
 
  
 on their new derailer.

 Looks like they found another place to have them fabricated (no more 
 $350 samples for them) and that retail cost (for us!) will be $175. That's 
 about $125 more than I've ever paid for a rear derailer. What do you all 
 think? Would you spend the $175 for one of these when you can get a 
 vintage 
 Shimano rapid rise on ebay for way less? 

 Image below is latest design. I think they mentioned on instagram that 
 the red parts will *not* *be red.* Thank goodness. Give me silver with 
 black pulley wheels. If you thought that Shimano 600EX arabesque 
 flourishes 
 were too groovy, well, check out the peace sign detail in that pulley 
 cage. 



 [image: download.png]

 On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 5:34:42 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Really hard to make ends meet with a 20% markup. With a 10% or 20% 
> markup, you're more 

[RBW] Re: WTB: Small Fabio's Chest Bag

[Eric Marth]

Jared, if you haven't, check out the Crust Classified section on their 
website. Lots of Fabs come and go over there and you could post a WTB. 
On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 1:21:16 AM UTC-4 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Looking for a small Fabio's chest, neutral colors preferred. 
>
> Please respond off list if you have something :)
>
> Jared in SLO 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[Eric Marth]

Laing, I love the look of those mechs. The Le Tour, the Rally, and the new 
Record. With the drillium it does seem they're harkening back to the cages 
of the Shimano Crane. It almost looks like your picture is from their 
research files! 

Bill, I think you're right, we'd moan if we missed out. I think I'll get 
one just to have one and to support such an insane project for a company of 
Riv's size to undertake and, hopefully, see through to the end. 

Were those Paul derailers any good? They look cool but I've never read any 
accounts of how they worked (or didn't). 

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:40:11 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> This demographic is the type that will handwring over the price while the 
> part is available, and then bellyache when it is not available anymore, 
> finally bemoaning "if they ever bring it back I would buy two!"  :)
>
> It's what some people say about Paul rear derailers.  They were what 
> $350?  They/we complained that they were expensive, then complained when 
> they went away, and now you often see comments "I hope Paul reintroduces 
> their RD!"  
>
> Anyway, I'm almost as into Rapid Rise as Grant is, so I bought a bunch of 
> XT M751 when they were being closed out, so I have a lifetime supply.  That 
> said, a bike company in 2022 developing their own rear derailer is kind of 
> an awesome achievement, and I'm proud of Grant and the rest of those who 
> worked on it.  I'd probably buy one even as an artifact of audacity.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 8:18:56 AM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> Probably not, my vintage SunTour stuff is going strong on my existing 
>> fleet, and future bike purchases will almost certainly have contemporary 
>> drivetrains.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA 
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2022, at 7:07 AM, lconley  wrote:
>>
>> I love the Campagnolo inspired textured surface and the Shimano Crane GS 
>> (Schwinn Le Tour GT300) inspired drillium pulley cage. I will buy 
>> one.[image: 
>> Derailleurs (3)s.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> Laing
>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 9:41:55 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In case anyone missed it, Grant posted some updates 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> on their new derailer.
>>>
>>> Looks like they found another place to have them fabricated (no more 
>>> $350 samples for them) and that retail cost (for us!) will be $175. That's 
>>> about $125 more than I've ever paid for a rear derailer. What do you all 
>>> think? Would you spend the $175 for one of these when you can get a vintage 
>>> Shimano rapid rise on ebay for way less? 
>>>
>>> Image below is latest design. I think they mentioned on instagram that 
>>> the red parts will *not* *be red.* Thank goodness. Give me silver with 
>>> black pulley wheels. If you thought that Shimano 600EX arabesque flourishes 
>>> were too groovy, well, check out the peace sign detail in that pulley cage. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: download.png]
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 5:34:42 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>>
 Really hard to make ends meet with a 20% markup. With a 10% or 20% 
 markup, you're more likely to be selling groceries than bikes.

 I would be discouraged too. Working hard and putting lots of resources 
 behind a project you love - only to have it become impossible is really 
 tough to deal with.

 Regards,

 Corwin

 On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 6:14:35 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Yeah, I read the blog. The $345 would presumably be Riv's wholesale 
> price, right? So... assuming a nominal retail markup of, say, 20%, the 
>  price would be ~$415 for the end user. No idea if there is a standard 
> industry markup, and we know Rivendell marches to their own rhythm. A 10% 
> markup would be ~$380; 30% ~$450. Grant seemed disheartened. I really 
> appreciate his transparency. 
> (Your build videos are great btw Eric.)  
>
> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:57:56 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Great pics, Ana, and yeah, those Nexaves are quite large! 
>>
>> Did you all read the latest Blahg? Seems the prototypes are crazy 
>> expensive. They'll be CNC machined. Here's Grant's quote from the 
>> fabricators: 
>>
>> "50 pieces. These will be made by CNC machining They will cost 
>> $345.5 USD each,  total $17,275 USD. The cost base on the QTY"
>>
>> More here.  
>> Um,
>>  
>> does it seem like maybe 50 Rivendell customers would pool together and 
>> chunk in a non-refundable $350 towards getting this project moving in 
>> the 
>> (opposite) direction?  
>> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 3:24:45 AM UTC-4 Ana Candela wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, and love it! I 

Re: [RBW] help identify a small part and a source for it

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Although I think the brass washers with raw metal frame would look great, 
I’ve taken a different approach to rear fender attachment to the chain stay 
bridge.

My solution has been to buy a hardware store variety-pack of plumbing 
washers. There are usually multiples of several types and the cylindrical 
or conical ones work well and often have an M5 or M4 size hole through the 
center.

I sandwich the fender material between two washers and put an M4 or M5 bolt 
through them and the chain-stay bridge with a Nylock nut at one end.

The compressible washers provide a yielding surface that is a bit 
friendlier to plastic (and, I’d assume aluminum) fenders, in the long run.

I’d include some pictures but I’m on the east coast while my bikes are in 
Berkeley. Will try to repost once I’m back home.

David Lipsky

PS: Found a photo of that area on my errand bike. Two conical washers on 
one side, a cylindrical and a flat stainless under the bolt head. Difficult to 
attach from iPad….
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 5:27:06 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:

> I use these nylon spacers from Ace Hardware, though the link is for 
> Granger  Spacers - Grainger Industrial Supply 
> 
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 6:17:04 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Thanks Mike and Eric!
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:26:52 PM UTC-4 eric swain wrote:
>>
>>> Serrated brake caliper washer. Most shops should have them. Presta valve 
>>> nuts would work for your application as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.benscycle.com/tektro-serrated-brake-washer--6-1x13-3-sb-silver-caliper-brake-part-tektro-24558-br7205/p?idsku=632011=CjwKCAjwyaWZBhBGEiwACslQo9dCDIEVn6kOCMX9vv3ySQKzgF2rR0IYMRmsnXOH7KsAyqFBGbCQSxoCRhMQAvD_BwE
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 8:42:29 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>>
 Looks like the concave washers that come on most brake pad hardware. 
 The LBS may have a pile of them. Or buy cheap brake pads just for the 
 washers.

 Robert Tilley
 San Diego, CA

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 20, 2022, at 7:35 PM, J J  wrote:

 [image: washers spacers knurled.JPG]


 I’ve tried in vain to find these locally. I ask for “funky textured 
 lock washers/spacers” but folks in local shops look at me funny even when 
 I 
 show them the attached pic. So my terminology is clearly technically 
 incorrect! It’s a mystery. Riv used many of them on this Glorius build. 
 I’d 
 very much appreciate help knowing what they’re called and where I can 
 procure some. They do their job very well. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[Bill Lindsay]

This demographic is the type that will handwring over the price while the 
part is available, and then bellyache when it is not available anymore, 
finally bemoaning "if they ever bring it back I would buy two!"  :)

It's what some people say about Paul rear derailers.  They were what $350?  
They/we complained that they were expensive, then complained when they went 
away, and now you often see comments "I hope Paul reintroduces their RD!"  

Anyway, I'm almost as into Rapid Rise as Grant is, so I bought a bunch of 
XT M751 when they were being closed out, so I have a lifetime supply.  That 
said, a bike company in 2022 developing their own rear derailer is kind of 
an awesome achievement, and I'm proud of Grant and the rest of those who 
worked on it.  I'd probably buy one even as an artifact of audacity.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 8:18:56 AM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Probably not, my vintage SunTour stuff is going strong on my existing 
> fleet, and future bike purchases will almost certainly have contemporary 
> drivetrains.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA 
>
> On Sep 24, 2022, at 7:07 AM, lconley  wrote:
>
> I love the Campagnolo inspired textured surface and the Shimano Crane GS 
> (Schwinn Le Tour GT300) inspired drillium pulley cage. I will buy one.[image: 
> Derailleurs (3)s.jpg]
>
>
>
> Laing
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 9:41:55 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> In case anyone missed it, Grant posted some updates 
>> 
>>  
>> on their new derailer.
>>
>> Looks like they found another place to have them fabricated (no more $350 
>> samples for them) and that retail cost (for us!) will be $175. That's about 
>> $125 more than I've ever paid for a rear derailer. What do you all think? 
>> Would you spend the $175 for one of these when you can get a vintage 
>> Shimano rapid rise on ebay for way less? 
>>
>> Image below is latest design. I think they mentioned on instagram that 
>> the red parts will *not* *be red.* Thank goodness. Give me silver with 
>> black pulley wheels. If you thought that Shimano 600EX arabesque flourishes 
>> were too groovy, well, check out the peace sign detail in that pulley cage. 
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: download.png]
>>
>> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 5:34:42 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Really hard to make ends meet with a 20% markup. With a 10% or 20% 
>>> markup, you're more likely to be selling groceries than bikes.
>>>
>>> I would be discouraged too. Working hard and putting lots of resources 
>>> behind a project you love - only to have it become impossible is really 
>>> tough to deal with.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 6:14:35 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I read the blog. The $345 would presumably be Riv's wholesale 
 price, right? So... assuming a nominal retail markup of, say, 20%, the 
  price would be ~$415 for the end user. No idea if there is a standard 
 industry markup, and we know Rivendell marches to their own rhythm. A 10% 
 markup would be ~$380; 30% ~$450. Grant seemed disheartened. I really 
 appreciate his transparency. 
 (Your build videos are great btw Eric.)  

 On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:57:56 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great pics, Ana, and yeah, those Nexaves are quite large! 
>
> Did you all read the latest Blahg? Seems the prototypes are crazy 
> expensive. They'll be CNC machined. Here's Grant's quote from the 
> fabricators: 
>
> "50 pieces. These will be made by CNC machining They will cost 
> $345.5 USD each,  total $17,275 USD. The cost base on the QTY"
>
> More here.  
> Um,
>  
> does it seem like maybe 50 Rivendell customers would pool together and 
> chunk in a non-refundable $350 towards getting this project moving in the 
> (opposite) direction?  
> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 3:24:45 AM UTC-4 Ana Candela wrote:
>
>> Yes, and love it! I got one last year thanks to Grant's suggestion: 
>> Shimano Nexave RD-C505. It is rather large compared to the other ones 
>> I'm 
>> seeing posted here, but hey, function before form. I am very much 
>> looking 
>> forward to Rivendell's derailer project because function will be 
>> enhanced 
>> by form. I think it's coming along beautifully :)
>>
>> My RR der is the #1 upgrade that I've done to my bike, and that's 
>> saying a lot! The reason is thanks to its logic of shifting: it doesn't 
>> twist my brain and wreak havoc like "normal" ones do. I always thought 
>> the 
>> shifting in bikes was counterintuitive, but I assumed that was the way 
>> of 
>> derailers. Then at some point Grant brought up the rapid-rise 

[RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[Johnny Alien]

It's a pricey piece. I may give one a shot to support RIvendell but it's a 
really tough sell when my $25 big pulley Altus rear shifts perfectly and 
kind of looks cool in it's cheapness. The fact that cheap derailers work as 
good as the expensive ones was hammered home by Grant for years.  That said 
I won't be buying a new bike for quite some time so spending some money to 
change components on the ones I have are definitely in the cards.

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 10:55:25 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> That cage looks too short to shift a 34t cassette, let alone my current 
> 51t. I did try a bike with a rapid rise RD when I visited Rivendell. It 
> feels kinda funny, but no doubt I'd get used to it. But the limited 
> derailleur wrap would definitely rule it out for my use.
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 6:41:55 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> In case anyone missed it, Grant posted some updates 
>> 
>>  
>> on their new derailer.
>>
>> Looks like they found another place to have them fabricated (no more $350 
>> samples for them) and that retail cost (for us!) will be $175. That's about 
>> $125 more than I've ever paid for a rear derailer. What do you all think? 
>> Would you spend the $175 for one of these when you can get a vintage 
>> Shimano rapid rise on ebay for way less? 
>>
>> Image below is latest design. I think they mentioned on instagram that 
>> the red parts will *not* *be red.* Thank goodness. Give me silver with 
>> black pulley wheels. If you thought that Shimano 600EX arabesque flourishes 
>> were too groovy, well, check out the peace sign detail in that pulley cage. 
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: download.png]
>>
>> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 5:34:42 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Really hard to make ends meet with a 20% markup. With a 10% or 20% 
>>> markup, you're more likely to be selling groceries than bikes.
>>>
>>> I would be discouraged too. Working hard and putting lots of resources 
>>> behind a project you love - only to have it become impossible is really 
>>> tough to deal with.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 6:14:35 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I read the blog. The $345 would presumably be Riv's wholesale 
 price, right? So... assuming a nominal retail markup of, say, 20%, the 
  price would be ~$415 for the end user. No idea if there is a standard 
 industry markup, and we know Rivendell marches to their own rhythm. A 10% 
 markup would be ~$380; 30% ~$450. Grant seemed disheartened. I really 
 appreciate his transparency. 
 (Your build videos are great btw Eric.)  

 On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:57:56 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great pics, Ana, and yeah, those Nexaves are quite large! 
>
> Did you all read the latest Blahg? Seems the prototypes are crazy 
> expensive. They'll be CNC machined. Here's Grant's quote from the 
> fabricators: 
>
> "50 pieces. These will be made by CNC machining They will cost 
> $345.5 USD each,  total $17,275 USD. The cost base on the QTY"
>
> More here.  
> Um,
>  
> does it seem like maybe 50 Rivendell customers would pool together and 
> chunk in a non-refundable $350 towards getting this project moving in the 
> (opposite) direction?  
> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 3:24:45 AM UTC-4 Ana Candela wrote:
>
>> Yes, and love it! I got one last year thanks to Grant's suggestion: 
>> Shimano Nexave RD-C505. It is rather large compared to the other ones 
>> I'm 
>> seeing posted here, but hey, function before form. I am very much 
>> looking 
>> forward to Rivendell's derailer project because function will be 
>> enhanced 
>> by form. I think it's coming along beautifully :)
>>
>> My RR der is the #1 upgrade that I've done to my bike, and that's 
>> saying a lot! The reason is thanks to its logic of shifting: it doesn't 
>> twist my brain and wreak havoc like "normal" ones do. I always thought 
>> the 
>> shifting in bikes was counterintuitive, but I assumed that was the way 
>> of 
>> derailers. Then at some point Grant brought up the rapid-rise derailers 
>> in 
>> the Blahg, and I almost heard angels sing, haha!
>>
>> Now both derailers work with the same logic: if I'm climbing UP a 
>> hill, I pull either or both shifters UP (easy gear); if I'm going DOWN 
>> or 
>> flat at speed, I push DOWN (hard gear). This just makes sense. And then 
>> with friction shifters it is just delightful to shift. So smooth and 
>> almost 
>> silent. Bliss!
>>
>> Below are a couple photos from last Sunday. Long live the Rapid-Rise 
>> Derailer!
>>
>> 

[RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[Piaw Na]

That cage looks too short to shift a 34t cassette, let alone my current 
51t. I did try a bike with a rapid rise RD when I visited Rivendell. It 
feels kinda funny, but no doubt I'd get used to it. But the limited 
derailleur wrap would definitely rule it out for my use.

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 6:41:55 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> In case anyone missed it, Grant posted some updates 
> 
>  
> on their new derailer.
>
> Looks like they found another place to have them fabricated (no more $350 
> samples for them) and that retail cost (for us!) will be $175. That's about 
> $125 more than I've ever paid for a rear derailer. What do you all think? 
> Would you spend the $175 for one of these when you can get a vintage 
> Shimano rapid rise on ebay for way less? 
>
> Image below is latest design. I think they mentioned on instagram that the 
> red parts will *not* *be red.* Thank goodness. Give me silver with black 
> pulley wheels. If you thought that Shimano 600EX arabesque flourishes were 
> too groovy, well, check out the peace sign detail in that pulley cage. 
>
>
>
> [image: download.png]
>
> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 5:34:42 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Really hard to make ends meet with a 20% markup. With a 10% or 20% 
>> markup, you're more likely to be selling groceries than bikes.
>>
>> I would be discouraged too. Working hard and putting lots of resources 
>> behind a project you love - only to have it become impossible is really 
>> tough to deal with.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 6:14:35 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I read the blog. The $345 would presumably be Riv's wholesale 
>>> price, right? So... assuming a nominal retail markup of, say, 20%, the 
>>>  price would be ~$415 for the end user. No idea if there is a standard 
>>> industry markup, and we know Rivendell marches to their own rhythm. A 10% 
>>> markup would be ~$380; 30% ~$450. Grant seemed disheartened. I really 
>>> appreciate his transparency. 
>>> (Your build videos are great btw Eric.)  
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:57:56 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Great pics, Ana, and yeah, those Nexaves are quite large! 

 Did you all read the latest Blahg? Seems the prototypes are crazy 
 expensive. They'll be CNC machined. Here's Grant's quote from the 
 fabricators: 

 "50 pieces. These will be made by CNC machining They will cost 
 $345.5 USD each,  total $17,275 USD. The cost base on the QTY"

 More here.  
 Um,
  
 does it seem like maybe 50 Rivendell customers would pool together and 
 chunk in a non-refundable $350 towards getting this project moving in the 
 (opposite) direction?  
 On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 3:24:45 AM UTC-4 Ana Candela wrote:

> Yes, and love it! I got one last year thanks to Grant's suggestion: 
> Shimano Nexave RD-C505. It is rather large compared to the other ones I'm 
> seeing posted here, but hey, function before form. I am very much looking 
> forward to Rivendell's derailer project because function will be enhanced 
> by form. I think it's coming along beautifully :)
>
> My RR der is the #1 upgrade that I've done to my bike, and that's 
> saying a lot! The reason is thanks to its logic of shifting: it doesn't 
> twist my brain and wreak havoc like "normal" ones do. I always thought 
> the 
> shifting in bikes was counterintuitive, but I assumed that was the way of 
> derailers. Then at some point Grant brought up the rapid-rise derailers 
> in 
> the Blahg, and I almost heard angels sing, haha!
>
> Now both derailers work with the same logic: if I'm climbing UP a 
> hill, I pull either or both shifters UP (easy gear); if I'm going DOWN or 
> flat at speed, I push DOWN (hard gear). This just makes sense. And then 
> with friction shifters it is just delightful to shift. So smooth and 
> almost 
> silent. Bliss!
>
> Below are a couple photos from last Sunday. Long live the Rapid-Rise 
> Derailer!
>
> -Ana in Seattle
>
> [image: IMG_6954.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_6934.jpg]
>


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Re: [RBW] Riv Hobson - Zingo cable cutter

[lconley]

Yes, a good idea, doesn't hurt - especially for index style derailleur 
housing. I keep the ends of cable that I have cut off around for that 
purpose but I have hoarding instincts. If you are short on storage space 
though - not strictly necessary.

Laing

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 10:29:51 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I was watching a video where the guy was cutting cable housing with old 
> cable still in housing to prevent crushing. Good idea?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 24, 2022, at 9:53 AM, lconley  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I love my bench grinder that I have used for 20 years to grind the ends of 
> the housing flat. I used a hand file before that.
> I use the Park tool to cut cable. The Park tool to cut derailleur 
> (non-spiral wound) housing. The Park tool or side cutters to cut spiral 
> wound housing. Side cutters actually work better to cut spiral housing, but 
> the Park tool is at the bike workbench, so that is what I usually use. I 
> use an EVT (Efficient Velo Tools) Poker Ace to open up the housing liner 
> after cutting and grinding.
>
> Laing 
> " excessive attention to minutia" is my middle name
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 8:59:12 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree the HZ cable cutters a great for the price. rmrose: I cut with 
>> the HZ and then crimp with a pair of Knipex diagonal cutters. Not a 
>> crimping tool, but a cutting tool. With finesse you can get good crimps 
>> with diagonal cutters, I believe lots of mechanics use them. 
>>
>> I had a pair of red-handled Amazon wonders and they quickly became trash. 
>> I could make better cuts with my teeth. 
>>
>> I love Felco tools, my partner's a gardener and I service her Felcos 
>> every few months with a complete disassembly, cleaning, greasing and 
>> sharpening. They also sell replacement bits for every component, washer, 
>> blade, handle, cog, etc. 
>>
>> Garth, I'm surprised you're getting good cuts of cables and housing with 
>> linesman pliers. Having used many nice ones for other types of work I 
>> wouldn't think the shape of the blades would allow for nice cuts. I agree 
>> that looking outside of the world of bike-specific tools turns up nice 
>> stuff. Like Wera stainless hex wrenches and Felco wire cutters. 
>>
>> And there's this from Jobst Brandt 
>> on the old 
>> rec.bicycles.misc: 
>>
>> "You don't need any special cable housing cutters. Brake cable housing is 
>> made of coiled wire and can be cut with wire cutters for steel just the 
>> same as so called cable housing cutters. The idea that the end of the 
>> housing must be ground flat is an excessive attention to minutia. Cable 
>> housings have been cut with diagonal cutters effectively for eons with no 
>> ill effects."
>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 6:09:37 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I found a pair of Snap-On Linesman pliers along the side of the road a 
>>> couple years ago. I already had some Park cable/housing cutters from the 
>>> 80's which were nothing to write home about, and some Shimano cutters which 
>>> weren't much better desite their overpriced tag. The Linesman pliers, 
>>> certainly not in new condition, put both to shame. Now, anytime I need a 
>>> certain tool, I check the non-cycling options first as there's a whole lot 
>>> more variety and better quality/precision. So yes, three cheers for 
>>> non-cycling branded quality tools ! 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[藍俊彪]

Oh yeah. I've never enjoyed either having fenders on the bike or installing
them. One year while touring in Europe, I hit a bout of rain and went into
a bike shop that sold these amazing clip-ons. They were so easy to install
and remove and unlike traditional full fenders never make the
scritch-scritch sound when riding off pavement when rocks get thrown onto
them. Since then I've switched to using those. Later on, I found SKS
clip-ons that work almost as well. I see that Rivendell has found similar
fenders and will be selling them soon.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 9:57 PM J J  wrote:

> Piaw, the installation in question was the fenders, not the Racer brakes,
> which are not too arduous to install. The damaged brake was a casualty of
> the mechanic ostensibly fixing a poor fender installation. And yes,
> installing fenders had seemed challenging and overly time consuming for me
> — that’s why I paid someone to do it on the Wilbury.
>
> But since that ordeal, I forced myself to actually install a new set of
> fenders on my Hunq to accommodate fatter tires. I’m happy to say that I now
> feel totally comfortable doing it (though they are still fussy and a pain
> to install, however easy Mark makes it look in the video. I must have
> watched it 10 times!).
>
> Ryan, I have to give credit where it is due, and the shop owner, who works
> in a different city, was apologetic when he learned about what happened. He
> reached out to me and genuinely wanted to make things right. He committed
> to replacing the brakes. The challenge is actually *finding* new Racers,
> and so far none have appeared. (If anyone reading this has polished Racers
> they want to part with, please let me know!)
>
> I told the owner that the mechanic seemed so enthusiastic about working on
> a Rivendell. The owner said, “and therein lies the problem. Sure, everyone
> will be bright eyed and bushy tailed about working on such a bike, but that
> does not mean they are qualified to do everything and anything on them.” I
> appreciated his forthrightness, but it raised the question of why the shop
> would assign the work to someone who wasn’t necessarily qualified to do it
> right.
>
> Corwin, thanks so much for your note. Your characterization of Mark’s work
> as high art is absolutely apropos. He’s also incredibly accessible and
> generous with his time, help, and advice (as is everyone I have ever
> interacted with at Rivendell).
>
> Best wishes all.
>
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:58:36 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Here, here JJ! I agree completely. Having Mark do the build and set up my
>> bikes is one of the main reasons I buy bikes from Rivendell. Mark raises
>> wrenching on bikes to a very high form of art.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:15:28 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Believe me...I was not best pleased, you may be sure
>>>
>>> BTW, J J, I hope that you presented that bike shop with a bill for that
>>> rear brake you went to so much effort to find and they reimbursed you
>>> without demur. Those Paul Racers are not cheap. I see on my 2016 invoice
>>> for my mixte custom...assembled by Mark Abele (go with the best ) the
>>> Racers were 288.00. Mark's labor was 220.00 + 50.00 for fender installation
>>> , and in my opinion, worth every penny. I am more than happy to pay  top
>>> dollar for first-class work. On the other hand , the vanishing skewer
>>> probably speaks to not properly overseeing a junior mechanic's work , if
>>> I'm being charitable. I do know the shop's owner and he's a good guy who
>>> does a lot for cycling in the city, and I am reasonably sure that if I had
>>> been able to source a new rear skewer and showed him a receipt, he would
>>> have probably given me credit or cash, which would have been fine. Anyone
>>> can make a mistake; it's what the maker of the mistake does to remedy it
>>> that's important
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:54:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
 That sucks about the 501 skewers, Ryan. Awful.

 A local shop once serviced a bike (and did a “safety check”) and when I
 picked it up I noticed that the quick release skewer springs and adjusting
 nut were missing from the front wheel. They just pushed the skewer through
 the axle without clamping it down.

 On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:21:32 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Yikes! I would be PISSED! That's inexcusable.
>
> A few years ago I took in a set of wheels with Mavic 501 hubs with a
> couple of other pairs of wheels  for some truing to a local BS and when I
> picked them up, the rear wheel  Mavic QR skewer was inexplicably missing.
> Just...gone. Phoned said bike shop, and no... they couldn't find it.
> Offered a replacement skewer, and BTW , 501 skewers are not easy to
> find...although I have not checked recently, so I just used an old Campy
> skewer.
>
> No, I'm not cool with having that bike shop do 

Re: [RBW] Riv Hobson - Zingo cable cutter

[Richard Rose]

I was watching a video where the guy was cutting cable housing with old cable 
still in housing to prevent crushing. Good idea?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2022, at 9:53 AM, lconley  wrote:
> 
> 
> I love my bench grinder that I have used for 20 years to grind the ends of 
> the housing flat. I used a hand file before that.
> I use the Park tool to cut cable. The Park tool to cut derailleur (non-spiral 
> wound) housing. The Park tool or side cutters to cut spiral wound housing. 
> Side cutters actually work better to cut spiral housing, but the Park tool is 
> at the bike workbench, so that is what I usually use. I use an EVT (Efficient 
> Velo Tools) Poker Ace to open up the housing liner after cutting and grinding.
> 
> Laing 
> " excessive attention to minutia" is my middle name
> 
>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 8:59:12 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I agree the HZ cable cutters a great for the price. rmrose: I cut with the 
>> HZ and then crimp with a pair of Knipex diagonal cutters. Not a crimping 
>> tool, but a cutting tool. With finesse you can get good crimps with diagonal 
>> cutters, I believe lots of mechanics use them. 
>> 
>> I had a pair of red-handled Amazon wonders and they quickly became trash. I 
>> could make better cuts with my teeth. 
>> 
>> I love Felco tools, my partner's a gardener and I service her Felcos every 
>> few months with a complete disassembly, cleaning, greasing and sharpening. 
>> They also sell replacement bits for every component, washer, blade, handle, 
>> cog, etc. 
>> 
>> Garth, I'm surprised you're getting good cuts of cables and housing with 
>> linesman pliers. Having used many nice ones for other types of work I 
>> wouldn't think the shape of the blades would allow for nice cuts. I agree 
>> that looking outside of the world of bike-specific tools turns up nice 
>> stuff. Like Wera stainless hex wrenches and Felco wire cutters. 
>> 
>> And there's this from Jobst Brandt on the old rec.bicycles.misc: 
>> 
>> "You don't need any special cable housing cutters. Brake cable housing is 
>> made of coiled wire and can be cut with wire cutters for steel just the same 
>> as so called cable housing cutters. The idea that the end of the housing 
>> must be ground flat is an excessive attention to minutia. Cable housings 
>> have been cut with diagonal cutters effectively for eons with no ill 
>> effects."
>>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 6:09:37 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>> 
>>> I found a pair of Snap-On Linesman pliers along the side of the road a 
>>> couple years ago. I already had some Park cable/housing cutters from the 
>>> 80's which were nothing to write home about, and some Shimano cutters which 
>>> weren't much better desite their overpriced tag. The Linesman pliers, 
>>> certainly not in new condition, put both to shame. Now, anytime I need a 
>>> certain tool, I check the non-cycling options first as there's a whole lot 
>>> more variety and better quality/precision. So yes, three cheers for 
>>> non-cycling branded quality tools ! 
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H 52 Grilver FFHS

[Paul Choi]

Frame is sold to a local buyer. 

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 8:09:22 PM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:

> This frame takes 650b wheels. 
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:47:58 PM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:
>
>> Another picture attached. 
>>
>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:20:36 PM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>>> I purchased this frame from the original owner last year. It had a chain 
>>> suck mishap under his ownership. The right chainstay was dented and the 
>>> touch up job was really bad. The seat post has been scratched up from 
>>> adjustments. The frame and fork are in good condition otherwise. I took all 
>>> the parts from this bike for my new Rosco. $700 plus shipping. I tried to 
>>> attach more pictures but I got the message, pictures were too large? I'm in 
>>> the South Bay if you want to do a pickup. DM for more close up pictures of 
>>> the damaged area. [image: Clem H 1.jpg]
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Riv Hobson - Zingo cable cutter

[lconley]

Standard soldering iron. The solder is actually mostly tin.

[image: silver solder.JPG][image: No 78.JPG]

Laing



On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 10:07:27 AM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Laing - what are you using the get the cable hot enough to melt silver 
> solder?
>
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 8:56:00 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> And I silver solder the cable ends instead of crimping.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 9:53:32 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I love my bench grinder that I have used for 20 years to grind the ends 
>>> of the housing flat. I used a hand file before that.
>>> I use the Park tool to cut cable. The Park tool to cut derailleur 
>>> (non-spiral wound) housing. The Park tool or side cutters to cut spiral 
>>> wound housing. Side cutters actually work better to cut spiral housing, but 
>>> the Park tool is at the bike workbench, so that is what I usually use. I 
>>> use an EVT (Efficient Velo Tools) Poker Ace to open up the housing liner 
>>> after cutting and grinding.
>>>
>>> Laing 
>>> " excessive attention to minutia" is my middle name
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 8:59:12 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I agree the HZ cable cutters a great for the price. rmrose: I cut with 
 the HZ and then crimp with a pair of Knipex diagonal cutters. Not a 
 crimping tool, but a cutting tool. With finesse you can get good crimps 
 with diagonal cutters, I believe lots of mechanics use them. 

 I had a pair of red-handled Amazon wonders and they quickly became 
 trash. I could make better cuts with my teeth. 

 I love Felco tools, my partner's a gardener and I service her Felcos 
 every few months with a complete disassembly, cleaning, greasing and 
 sharpening. They also sell replacement bits for every component, washer, 
 blade, handle, cog, etc. 

 Garth, I'm surprised you're getting good cuts of cables and housing 
 with linesman pliers. Having used many nice ones for other types of work I 
 wouldn't think the shape of the blades would allow for nice cuts. I agree 
 that looking outside of the world of bike-specific tools turns up nice 
 stuff. Like Wera stainless hex wrenches and Felco wire cutters. 

 And there's this from Jobst Brandt 
 on the old 
 rec.bicycles.misc: 

 "You don't need any special cable housing cutters. Brake cable housing 
 is made of coiled wire and can be cut with wire cutters for steel just the 
 same as so called cable housing cutters. The idea that the end of the 
 housing must be ground flat is an excessive attention to minutia. Cable 
 housings have been cut with diagonal cutters effectively for eons with no 
 ill effects."
 On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 6:09:37 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

>
> I found a pair of Snap-On Linesman pliers along the side of the road a 
> couple years ago. I already had some Park cable/housing cutters from the 
> 80's which were nothing to write home about, and some Shimano cutters 
> which 
> weren't much better desite their overpriced tag. The Linesman pliers, 
> certainly not in new condition, put both to shame. Now, anytime I need a 
> certain tool, I check the non-cycling options first as there's a whole 
> lot 
> more variety and better quality/precision. So yes, three cheers for 
> non-cycling branded quality tools ! 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Riv Hobson - Zingo cable cutter

[George Schick]

Laing - what are you using the get the cable hot enough to melt silver 
solder?


On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 8:56:00 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> And I silver solder the cable ends instead of crimping.
>
> Laing
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 9:53:32 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> I love my bench grinder that I have used for 20 years to grind the ends 
>> of the housing flat. I used a hand file before that.
>> I use the Park tool to cut cable. The Park tool to cut derailleur 
>> (non-spiral wound) housing. The Park tool or side cutters to cut spiral 
>> wound housing. Side cutters actually work better to cut spiral housing, but 
>> the Park tool is at the bike workbench, so that is what I usually use. I 
>> use an EVT (Efficient Velo Tools) Poker Ace to open up the housing liner 
>> after cutting and grinding.
>>
>> Laing 
>> " excessive attention to minutia" is my middle name
>>
>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 8:59:12 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree the HZ cable cutters a great for the price. rmrose: I cut with 
>>> the HZ and then crimp with a pair of Knipex diagonal cutters. Not a 
>>> crimping tool, but a cutting tool. With finesse you can get good crimps 
>>> with diagonal cutters, I believe lots of mechanics use them. 
>>>
>>> I had a pair of red-handled Amazon wonders and they quickly became 
>>> trash. I could make better cuts with my teeth. 
>>>
>>> I love Felco tools, my partner's a gardener and I service her Felcos 
>>> every few months with a complete disassembly, cleaning, greasing and 
>>> sharpening. They also sell replacement bits for every component, washer, 
>>> blade, handle, cog, etc. 
>>>
>>> Garth, I'm surprised you're getting good cuts of cables and housing with 
>>> linesman pliers. Having used many nice ones for other types of work I 
>>> wouldn't think the shape of the blades would allow for nice cuts. I agree 
>>> that looking outside of the world of bike-specific tools turns up nice 
>>> stuff. Like Wera stainless hex wrenches and Felco wire cutters. 
>>>
>>> And there's this from Jobst Brandt 
>>> on the old 
>>> rec.bicycles.misc: 
>>>
>>> "You don't need any special cable housing cutters. Brake cable housing 
>>> is made of coiled wire and can be cut with wire cutters for steel just the 
>>> same as so called cable housing cutters. The idea that the end of the 
>>> housing must be ground flat is an excessive attention to minutia. Cable 
>>> housings have been cut with diagonal cutters effectively for eons with no 
>>> ill effects."
>>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 6:09:37 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>>

 I found a pair of Snap-On Linesman pliers along the side of the road a 
 couple years ago. I already had some Park cable/housing cutters from the 
 80's which were nothing to write home about, and some Shimano cutters 
 which 
 weren't much better desite their overpriced tag. The Linesman pliers, 
 certainly not in new condition, put both to shame. Now, anytime I need a 
 certain tool, I check the non-cycling options first as there's a whole lot 
 more variety and better quality/precision. So yes, three cheers for 
 non-cycling branded quality tools ! 



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Re: [RBW] Riv Hobson - Zingo cable cutter

[lconley]

And I silver solder the cable ends instead of crimping.

Laing

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 9:53:32 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> I love my bench grinder that I have used for 20 years to grind the ends of 
> the housing flat. I used a hand file before that.
> I use the Park tool to cut cable. The Park tool to cut derailleur 
> (non-spiral wound) housing. The Park tool or side cutters to cut spiral 
> wound housing. Side cutters actually work better to cut spiral housing, but 
> the Park tool is at the bike workbench, so that is what I usually use. I 
> use an EVT (Efficient Velo Tools) Poker Ace to open up the housing liner 
> after cutting and grinding.
>
> Laing 
> " excessive attention to minutia" is my middle name
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 8:59:12 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree the HZ cable cutters a great for the price. rmrose: I cut with 
>> the HZ and then crimp with a pair of Knipex diagonal cutters. Not a 
>> crimping tool, but a cutting tool. With finesse you can get good crimps 
>> with diagonal cutters, I believe lots of mechanics use them. 
>>
>> I had a pair of red-handled Amazon wonders and they quickly became trash. 
>> I could make better cuts with my teeth. 
>>
>> I love Felco tools, my partner's a gardener and I service her Felcos 
>> every few months with a complete disassembly, cleaning, greasing and 
>> sharpening. They also sell replacement bits for every component, washer, 
>> blade, handle, cog, etc. 
>>
>> Garth, I'm surprised you're getting good cuts of cables and housing with 
>> linesman pliers. Having used many nice ones for other types of work I 
>> wouldn't think the shape of the blades would allow for nice cuts. I agree 
>> that looking outside of the world of bike-specific tools turns up nice 
>> stuff. Like Wera stainless hex wrenches and Felco wire cutters. 
>>
>> And there's this from Jobst Brandt 
>> on the old 
>> rec.bicycles.misc: 
>>
>> "You don't need any special cable housing cutters. Brake cable housing is 
>> made of coiled wire and can be cut with wire cutters for steel just the 
>> same as so called cable housing cutters. The idea that the end of the 
>> housing must be ground flat is an excessive attention to minutia. Cable 
>> housings have been cut with diagonal cutters effectively for eons with no 
>> ill effects."
>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 6:09:37 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I found a pair of Snap-On Linesman pliers along the side of the road a 
>>> couple years ago. I already had some Park cable/housing cutters from the 
>>> 80's which were nothing to write home about, and some Shimano cutters which 
>>> weren't much better desite their overpriced tag. The Linesman pliers, 
>>> certainly not in new condition, put both to shame. Now, anytime I need a 
>>> certain tool, I check the non-cycling options first as there's a whole lot 
>>> more variety and better quality/precision. So yes, three cheers for 
>>> non-cycling branded quality tools ! 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Riv Hobson - Zingo cable cutter

[lconley]

I love my bench grinder that I have used for 20 years to grind the ends of 
the housing flat. I used a hand file before that.
I use the Park tool to cut cable. The Park tool to cut derailleur 
(non-spiral wound) housing. The Park tool or side cutters to cut spiral 
wound housing. Side cutters actually work better to cut spiral housing, but 
the Park tool is at the bike workbench, so that is what I usually use. I 
use an EVT (Efficient Velo Tools) Poker Ace to open up the housing liner 
after cutting and grinding.

Laing 
" excessive attention to minutia" is my middle name

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 8:59:12 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I agree the HZ cable cutters a great for the price. rmrose: I cut with the 
> HZ and then crimp with a pair of Knipex diagonal cutters. Not a crimping 
> tool, but a cutting tool. With finesse you can get good crimps with 
> diagonal cutters, I believe lots of mechanics use them. 
>
> I had a pair of red-handled Amazon wonders and they quickly became trash. 
> I could make better cuts with my teeth. 
>
> I love Felco tools, my partner's a gardener and I service her Felcos every 
> few months with a complete disassembly, cleaning, greasing and sharpening. 
> They also sell replacement bits for every component, washer, blade, handle, 
> cog, etc. 
>
> Garth, I'm surprised you're getting good cuts of cables and housing with 
> linesman pliers. Having used many nice ones for other types of work I 
> wouldn't think the shape of the blades would allow for nice cuts. I agree 
> that looking outside of the world of bike-specific tools turns up nice 
> stuff. Like Wera stainless hex wrenches and Felco wire cutters. 
>
> And there's this from Jobst Brandt 
> on the old 
> rec.bicycles.misc: 
>
> "You don't need any special cable housing cutters. Brake cable housing is 
> made of coiled wire and can be cut with wire cutters for steel just the 
> same as so called cable housing cutters. The idea that the end of the 
> housing must be ground flat is an excessive attention to minutia. Cable 
> housings have been cut with diagonal cutters effectively for eons with no 
> ill effects."
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 6:09:37 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>> I found a pair of Snap-On Linesman pliers along the side of the road a 
>> couple years ago. I already had some Park cable/housing cutters from the 
>> 80's which were nothing to write home about, and some Shimano cutters which 
>> weren't much better desite their overpriced tag. The Linesman pliers, 
>> certainly not in new condition, put both to shame. Now, anytime I need a 
>> certain tool, I check the non-cycling options first as there's a whole lot 
>> more variety and better quality/precision. So yes, three cheers for 
>> non-cycling branded quality tools ! 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 57cm lugged Roadini Protovelo

[amillhench]

Good morning,

Saddle height is 75cm according to my measurements.

Let me know if there’s anything else I can do to help.

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

On Sep 24, 2022, at 06:47, S. Greco  wrote:

What is your saddle height in that photo?

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:05:44 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
> What a beauty! 
> 
> - Max "if I weren't up to my ears in bikes with medium- / long-reach 
> brakes..." in A2
> 
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:23:37 PM UTC-4 amill...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Accepting offers. Let’s get this go fast, lugged beauty to a happy owner. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> 
>> Aaron in El Paso 

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Re: [RBW] Riv Hobson - Zingo cable cutter

[Eric Marth]

I agree the HZ cable cutters a great for the price. rmrose: I cut with the 
HZ and then crimp with a pair of Knipex diagonal cutters. Not a crimping 
tool, but a cutting tool. With finesse you can get good crimps with 
diagonal cutters, I believe lots of mechanics use them. 

I had a pair of red-handled Amazon wonders and they quickly became trash. I 
could make better cuts with my teeth. 

I love Felco tools, my partner's a gardener and I service her Felcos every 
few months with a complete disassembly, cleaning, greasing and sharpening. 
They also sell replacement bits for every component, washer, blade, handle, 
cog, etc. 

Garth, I'm surprised you're getting good cuts of cables and housing with 
linesman pliers. Having used many nice ones for other types of work I 
wouldn't think the shape of the blades would allow for nice cuts. I agree 
that looking outside of the world of bike-specific tools turns up nice 
stuff. Like Wera stainless hex wrenches and Felco wire cutters. 

And there's this from Jobst Brandt 
on the old 
rec.bicycles.misc: 

"You don't need any special cable housing cutters. Brake cable housing is 
made of coiled wire and can be cut with wire cutters for steel just the 
same as so called cable housing cutters. The idea that the end of the 
housing must be ground flat is an excessive attention to minutia. Cable 
housings have been cut with diagonal cutters effectively for eons with no 
ill effects."
On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 6:09:37 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

>
> I found a pair of Snap-On Linesman pliers along the side of the road a 
> couple years ago. I already had some Park cable/housing cutters from the 
> 80's which were nothing to write home about, and some Shimano cutters which 
> weren't much better desite their overpriced tag. The Linesman pliers, 
> certainly not in new condition, put both to shame. Now, anytime I need a 
> certain tool, I check the non-cycling options first as there's a whole lot 
> more variety and better quality/precision. So yes, three cheers for 
> non-cycling branded quality tools ! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 57cm lugged Roadini Protovelo

[S. Greco]

What is your saddle height in that photo?

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:05:44 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> What a beauty! 
>
> - Max "if I weren't up to my ears in bikes with medium- / long-reach 
> brakes..." in A2 
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:23:37 PM UTC-4 amill...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Accepting offers. Let’s get this go fast, lugged beauty to a happy owner. 
>>
>> Best, 
>>
>> Aaron in El Paso 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[Ryan]

I'm glad to hear the shop owner will make things right and I hope those 
polished Racers surface sometime soon. They are lovely looking brakes. But 
I wonder if the RH brakes would be an acceptable compromise? They do have 
the virtue of being available and if your current brakes are scratched, but 
still functionally fine, maybe you could sell them at a discounted price.

https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-category/components/brakes/ 

About Roadinis or any other current Riv frame offering...I know Will and co 
are selling them unprepped to move them and I didn't necessarily see 
prepping as an option , but it is available for a fee isn't it?

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 11:57:11 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Piaw, the installation in question was the fenders, not the Racer brakes, 
> which are not too arduous to install. The damaged brake was a casualty of 
> the mechanic ostensibly fixing a poor fender installation. And yes, 
> installing fenders had seemed challenging and overly time consuming for me 
> — that’s why I paid someone to do it on the Wilbury. 
>
> But since that ordeal, I forced myself to actually install a new set of 
> fenders on my Hunq to accommodate fatter tires. I’m happy to say that I now 
> feel totally comfortable doing it (though they are still fussy and a pain 
> to install, however easy Mark makes it look in the video. I must have 
> watched it 10 times!).
>
> Ryan, I have to give credit where it is due, and the shop owner, who works 
> in a different city, was apologetic when he learned about what happened. He 
> reached out to me and genuinely wanted to make things right. He committed 
> to replacing the brakes. The challenge is actually *finding* new Racers, 
> and so far none have appeared. (If anyone reading this has polished Racers 
> they want to part with, please let me know!)
>
> I told the owner that the mechanic seemed so enthusiastic about working on 
> a Rivendell. The owner said, “and therein lies the problem. Sure, everyone 
> will be bright eyed and bushy tailed about working on such a bike, but that 
> does not mean they are qualified to do everything and anything on them.” I 
> appreciated his forthrightness, but it raised the question of why the shop 
> would assign the work to someone who wasn’t necessarily qualified to do it 
> right. 
>
> Corwin, thanks so much for your note. Your characterization of Mark’s work 
> as high art is absolutely apropos. He’s also incredibly accessible and 
> generous with his time, help, and advice (as is everyone I have ever 
> interacted with at Rivendell).
>
> Best wishes all. 
>
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:58:36 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Here, here JJ! I agree completely. Having Mark do the build and set up my 
>> bikes is one of the main reasons I buy bikes from Rivendell. Mark raises 
>> wrenching on bikes to a very high form of art.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:15:28 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Believe me...I was not best pleased, you may be sure
>>>
>>> BTW, J J, I hope that you presented that bike shop with a bill for that 
>>> rear brake you went to so much effort to find and they reimbursed you 
>>> without demur. Those Paul Racers are not cheap. I see on my 2016 invoice 
>>> for my mixte custom...assembled by Mark Abele (go with the best ) the 
>>> Racers were 288.00. Mark's labor was 220.00 + 50.00 for fender installation 
>>> , and in my opinion, worth every penny. I am more than happy to pay  top 
>>> dollar for first-class work. On the other hand , the vanishing skewer 
>>> probably speaks to not properly overseeing a junior mechanic's work , if 
>>> I'm being charitable. I do know the shop's owner and he's a good guy who 
>>> does a lot for cycling in the city, and I am reasonably sure that if I had 
>>> been able to source a new rear skewer and showed him a receipt, he would 
>>> have probably given me credit or cash, which would have been fine. Anyone 
>>> can make a mistake; it's what the maker of the mistake does to remedy it 
>>> that's important
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:54:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
 That sucks about the 501 skewers, Ryan. Awful. 

 A local shop once serviced a bike (and did a “safety check”) and when I 
 picked it up I noticed that the quick release skewer springs and adjusting 
 nut were missing from the front wheel. They just pushed the skewer through 
 the axle without clamping it down.

 On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:21:32 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Yikes! I would be PISSED! That's inexcusable.
>
> A few years ago I took in a set of wheels with Mavic 501 hubs with a 
> couple of other pairs of wheels  for some truing to a local BS and when I 
> picked them up, the rear wheel  Mavic QR skewer was inexplicably missing. 
> Just...gone. Phoned said bike shop, and no... they couldn't find it. 
> Offered a replacement skewer, and BTW , 501 

Re: [RBW] Riv Hobson - Zingo cable cutter

[Garth]

I found a pair of Snap-On Linesman pliers along the side of the road a 
couple years ago. I already had some Park cable/housing cutters from the 
80's which were nothing to write home about, and some Shimano cutters which 
weren't much better desite their overpriced tag. The Linesman pliers, 
certainly not in new condition, put both to shame. Now, anytime I need a 
certain tool, I check the non-cycling options first as there's a whole lot 
more variety and better quality/precision. So yes, three cheers for 
non-cycling branded quality tools ! 

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