Re: [RBW] Atlantis 10 speed friction shifting?

[Joe Mullins]

Which rear derailleur do you have? Rivendell’s Silver Shifters are the 
smoothest friction shifters out there in my opinion. Regardless of your rear 
derailleur you should be able to just swap the trigger shifter for the friction 
shifter. 

Look into how you want to mount it because Riv has been know to flip the left 
for right which allows you to run it on the thumb side of the grip which makes 
sense to some. It's really a matter of preference.


> On Dec 8, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Sosa  wrote:
> 
> Howdy all,
> 
> My Atlantis is equipped with the silver 38/24 crank up front, and an 11-42 10 
> speed cassette in the rear.  For rear shifting, I have the Deore Rapid Fire 
> trigger shifter (index).
> 
> I'd like to switch to friction shifting in the rear, without having to change 
> the cassette. Any ideas / experience on how to make this work? 
> 
>  Thanks - 
> Sam in StL , MO
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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Andrew Turner]

Bens "work" and "play" ethos gels with mine. I'd have to choose a Roadini 
and Clem combo. The lack of lugs doesn't bug me personally, in fact the 
skill and craftsmanship of Taiwan's TIG welders more than makes up for 
that. Plus the bikes are just so darn GOOD. I've had a Roadini in the past 
that was a size too big but was still the most enjoyable riding bike I've 
had. And while I don't have experience with the Clem, it seems like a 
really well thought out multi-tool; not one of those with the toothpick 
that goes missing in a week and three odd knives you never use.  

Andrew in TN
On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 9:37:14 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello!
> I think a lot of it has to do with how you set 'em up, but I have a "work" 
> and "play" two Riv set up. Atlantis is work horse with racks, basket on the 
> front, Sackville saddle sack for laptop, lunch, incidentals, upright bars, 
> etc... I can carry a lot on it, it's stable loaded up, etc... I have a Sam 
> Hillborne that's just to ride for fun. No racks, Swift Zeitgeist on the 
> front for layers, snacks, phone/keys/wallet, x-small saddle sack on the 
> back for tools/flat kit, drop bars. I like having a somewhat lighter and 
> zippier bike to ride when I don't need to carry anything and I'm just going 
> out for fun.
>
> Now...I do ride my Atlantis for fun now and then, and I have taken the Sam 
> to work when I don't have more than a lunch to carry with me. It's nice to 
> ride one where you'd normally ride the other to see how each performs 
> outside of the normal use.
>
> Ben in Omaha 
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:18:49 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
>> I have a Homer and HHH in the shed among other bikes. I'm on the fence 
>> about getting a Platypus: I'd use it as an all-rounder commuter, like my 
>> Homer. I have a medium saddlesack and 137 basket, which handles most of 
>> what I would want to carry by bike. 
>>
>> I'd add a lightweight one-speed, like the coming RoadUno. Whenever I 
>> strip down the Homer for maintenance and ride it (sans racks), it always 
>> sparks joy. I would try to leave it as a minimal bike that's for Just 
>> Riding. 
>>
>> Enjoy!
>> shoji
>> arlington ma
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:30:20 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> When I started buying Rivendells after owning a 93 X0-1 (still have it), 
>>> I started with the classic All-Rounder ordered in 1997. Since I still did 
>>> longer road rides I got a custom Road in 2001 to replace a nice enough 
>>> Rossin I had and later sold...fast but not especially comfortable since it 
>>> was a typical Italian racing bike, so harsh with our roads the way they 
>>> are. The Riv road is a great-riding bike, as is the all-rounder.
>>>
>>> I ordered a custom mixte late 2015 for my retirement bike but (I'm 
>>> embarrassed to confess) don't ride it much mainly because it's a bit of a 
>>> pain getting it up and down the narrow flight of stairs to my apartment and 
>>> I won't lock it up in the garage; a little too risky. Not ready to let it 
>>> go just yet, though, and if I were to sell it I doubt I'd recoup what I 
>>> paid for it. Money aside, though, I put a lot of thought into how it was 
>>> built up and it should be ridden. Fore and aft fit needs a little tweaking 
>>> and I do plan to ride it more in the spring. Should practice the mixte 
>>> deadlift like the Riv sisters often post
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 6:40:09 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>>>
 It's really rare to see the old Rivendells where I live so that I'm not 
 familiar to them but I always hear that Hunqapillar is one of the most 
 popular/admired Rivendells. I assume that you like the one you own much. 
 AlsoI wonder if there is a significant difference you find between 
 Hunqapillar and Appaloosa while they would be redundant.

 2022年12月6日火曜日 20:50:09 UTC+9 captaincon...@gmail.com:

> I have my Hunqapillar and my partner has a Rosco Bubbaloosa ATB Mixte, 
> so that's two.  I currently have a Quickbeam too, but that's on its own 
> way 
> out.  I also owned a Sam Hillborne, but gasp, I was never comfortable 
> enough on it.  The only current Riv that I like is the Appaloosa, but it 
> would be redundant.  I have always wanted a canti-Romulus or an All 
> Rounder 
> and would buy either if it wasn't a hassle in any way.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:16:02 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>
>> Hi Luke! Thank you for your post, your Atlantis must be an amazing 
>> looking bike!
>> It's nice that you can enjoy cruising, trailing and even commuting 
>> with one bike. In my case there aren't many trails near here in Tokyo so 
>> that I made my Platypus as a commuter/grocery bike (43c semi slicked 
>> Gravel 
>> King, RMX pedal, chain guard, basket and fenders etc).
>>
>> I'm happy with the current build of my Platypus so I would rather 
>> keep it as 

Re: [RBW] Re: Stem Length and Handlebar Width

[Patrick Moore]

If anyone comes up with a formula for this (I know that formulas are only
starting points) I'd like to hear it. I want a wider bar on my Matthews 1
for riding narrow ditchbank trails but as soon as I get on firm straight
surfaces I hate wide bars. Perhaps there's some perfect combination of stem
length and bar width which would be a better compromise for the sort of
riding I do on the Matthews than the 42 cm Maes Parallels on a 10 cm -17*
stem (bar almost even with saddle). (That's wide; my road bikes have 38 cm
bars.) Note that the Matthews is intended to fit and feel much like a road
bike but take 60s (and fenders) for sand and ditch trails. The high-flop
Big Ones don't help at slow ditchbank speeds.

Me, if I were to pursue this further, I'd guestimate things by the standard
seat-nose to brake-hood-tips measurement of (for me) 27". This assumes of
course saddle setback and saddle make and model are set in concrete, which
they are in my case. I tried this in a desultory way yesterday and yes, it
indicated a stem shorter by about 1/2" or so for a much wider bar, but then
one could also raise the bar a bit and probably compensate at much less
expense and effort.

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

[Patrick Moore]

Late to this rather fascinating discussion. Oh no, that was no
unintentional oversight, that was a conscience in poor working order. I
have to credit the seller though for the quality of his purple prose; he
could get a good job in marketing, not just for the writing but for the
spin and the magnificent keyword list.

More seriously, what a bad fate for such a pretty bike.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 7:48 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> ... Maybe it was an unintentional oversight, but the ad language seemed to
> preempt more to come. My antenna went up, anyways.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Patrick Moore]

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you
could own.

> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of
roads? Any definition is welcome.

> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere
for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to
know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as
a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).

> I hope you enjoy the topic!

> Masa

For me it's easy: a gofast road bike (to make up for my slowness) and a
very similar model but built for all rounder -- pavement + light dirt
-- and errand riding. So perhaps a Roadeo and a Legolas or perhaps a repeat
of my 1999 custom and another one that can take 42s and fenders.

If Clems and Platypuses or Atlantises (note proper English plurals) could
fit 50 mm tires and fenders I'd sneak in a second #2 for more dirt biased
riding. Anything under 50 mm is no good for our sand, and even 50 is too
hard and skinny.

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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[Russell Duncan]

Beautiful building with all those recycled windows. A nightmare of a job to 
reglaze them. A Zen effort perhaps.

Russell Duncan 
Leverett, MA USA
On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:42:18 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> David, I've matched a beautiful IRD Defiant 94 BCD (I think my only 
> crankset that didn't come from you  ) with 46 /30 rings and an early 
> 2000s 960 DA XTR front derailer. It all works perfectly together.
>
> Cheers / Jock Dewey
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:48 AM David Hallerman  
> wrote:
>
>> That’s much like how I’ve found Dura-Ace FDs of that era, the originally 
>> 8-speed 7410 in specific, are perfect for the 48/34 compact doubles I run 
>> on many of my bikes.
>>
>> I wonder how those late 20th century FDs would do with subcompact 
>> doubles, like a 46/30. Has anyone here done that?
>>
>> Dave, who has his first 46/30 crankset incoming which sparks curiosity 
>> +
>> Hudson Valley NY
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>
>>> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 20th 
>>> century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - shifting 
>>> triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.
>>>
>>> Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA 
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Hey Aaron and Scott,

 I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a 
 2005 (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted 
 one 
 so I bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it shifts 
 beautifully.

 Cheers,
 John

 On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by 
> space between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?
>
> Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm 
> building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for 
> it. 
> Think I just found some direction...
>
> Scott
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small 
> reminders are the best.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
>
> p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected. 
>
> On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker  wrote:
>
> One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' is 
> any trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and must have 
> a 
> special tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's recycling system 
> is 
> complicated but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect of it.
>
> It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- beautiful 
> furniture, golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, bicycles. While 
> technically one is not supposed to take things from the gomi, during my 
> two 
> years in Japan, I couldn't resist pulling a number of bicycles from the 
> gomi including a brand new Tern folding bicycle and a 1990s-era Bottechia 
> racing bicycle, handmade with Columbus tubing and a Dura-ace groupset. 
> The 
> Bottechia looked as though it had been ridden less than a dozen times, 
> and 
> the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint condition. The Japanese tend to treat 
> their 
> goods with care and respect, and the Bottechia was no exception. 
>
> Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes, 
> while very beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before offering 
> up the frame to a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left with 
> a 
> beautiful group of Shimano's finest road mech. 
>
> Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my 
> Atlantis and found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works 
> beautifully with the Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.
>
> I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most civilized of 
> countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal about exploring the 
> mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash adorning my bicycle.
>
> Cheers, John
> [image: IMG_0058.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Eliot Balogh]

Max,

That Atlantis is absolutely stunning. I don’t think a more beautiful build
is possible!

I’m sure I’ll get banned for asking this because it doesn’t matter and goes
against the ethos but… purely out of curiosity, how much does it weigh in
that configuration?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 7:15 AM reynoldslugs  wrote:

> Well, I'd choose this:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157696979339224
>
> and that:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157645542691980
>
> Legolas - fast and fun, light.  Always makes me happy.
> Atlantis - same but more rock solid.
>
> My favorite bike... is whichever one I'm riding at the moment.
>
> Happy Holidays everyone, stay safe
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:30:49 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hey Masa!
>>
>> This is a cool companion to the occasional One Riv To Rule Them All
>> threads we do around here.
>>
>> I'm currently a one Riv (and one folding bike) person, my custom is a
>> low-stepover kinda-pavement-oriented bike like your Platypus: It'll go just
>> about anywhere but wasn't designed for hardcore off-road riding or full-on
>> touring loads. I've done some shopping runs on it that I could feel in the
>> frame was probably pushing my luck with how much weight I was carrying, so
>> for me my second Riv would be heavier duty. I've also recently moved to an
>> area with a bunch of fire roads and singletrack, and although my riding
>> interests/capabilities would preclude major mountain biking escapades I'd
>> still like to know my frame could take the abuse.
>>
>> So I'd reach as far from my lightish roadish frame as possible, which
>> takes me past the lugged frames and into Clem or Gus territory. What I end
>> up with - if/when I decide to do it - would depend largely on money and
>> opportunity to pick something up. I really like the Gus but they're pricey
>> even used and rarely available; Clems are great and easier to find. I've
>> owned a few and imagine I'll have one again sometime.
>>
>> I hope this was helpful for you. I saw on another thread that you asked
>> Leah for a comparison of her Platy(s) and Clem L, I hope she chimes in
>> here, she has much to say and says it well! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you
>>> could own.
>>>
>>> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of
>>> roads? Any definition is welcome.
>>>
>>> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere
>>> for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to
>>> know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as
>>> a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
>>>
>>> I hope you enjoy the topic!
>>>
>>> Masa
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[Russell Duncan]

How about some Italian recycling. I’ve coupled Suntour late 70s barcons
with parts from a mid-1990s Campagnolo Record 8-spd group, including the
rear derailleur, the wheel set, a stock 13-26 Campagnolo 8-sped cassette
modified with a 28 tooth low gear, an early 80s Record front derailleur,
and a 2010-ish Campagnolo CX 36/46 10-speed crankset with Le Tour chainring
spacers for retrofitting to 8-spd. The system mix works perfectly and I
think that it would work with a Campy 9-spd setup too.

Russell Duncan
Leverett, Massachusetts USA


On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 1:42 PM John Dewey  wrote:

> David, I've matched a beautiful IRD Defiant 94 BCD (I think my only
> crankset that didn't come from you  ) with 46 /30 rings and an early
> 2000s 960 DA XTR front derailer. It all works perfectly together.
>
> Cheers / Jock Dewey
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:48 AM David Hallerman 
> wrote:
>
>> That’s much like how I’ve found Dura-Ace FDs of that era, the originally
>> 8-speed 7410 in specific, are perfect for the 48/34 compact doubles I run
>> on many of my bikes.
>>
>> I wonder how those late 20th century FDs would do with subcompact
>> doubles, like a 46/30. Has anyone here done that?
>>
>> Dave, who has his first 46/30 crankset incoming which sparks curiosity
>> +
>> Hudson Valley NY
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>
> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 20th
>>> century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - shifting
>>> triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.
>>>
>>> Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Hey Aaron and Scott,

 I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a
 2005 (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted one
 so I bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it shifts
 beautifully.

 Cheers,
 John

 On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by
> space between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?
>
> Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm
> building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for it.
> Think I just found some direction...
>
> Scott
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small
> reminders are the best.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
>
> p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected.
>
> On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker  wrote:
>
> One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' is
> any trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and must have 
> a
> special tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's recycling system is
> complicated but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect of it.
>
> It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- beautiful
> furniture, golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, bicycles. While
> technically one is not supposed to take things from the gomi, during my 
> two
> years in Japan, I couldn't resist pulling a number of bicycles from the
> gomi including a brand new Tern folding bicycle and a 1990s-era Bottechia
> racing bicycle, handmade with Columbus tubing and a Dura-ace groupset. The
> Bottechia looked as though it had been ridden less than a dozen times, and
> the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint condition. The Japanese tend to treat their
> goods with care and respect, and the Bottechia was no exception.
>
> Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes,
> while very beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before offering
> up the frame to a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left with 
> a
> beautiful group of Shimano's finest road mech.
>
> Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my
> Atlantis and found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works
> beautifully with the Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.
>
> I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most civilized of
> countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal about exploring the
> mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash adorning my bicycle.
>
> Cheers, John
> [image: IMG_0058.jpeg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Patrick Moore]

I'm intrigued by the Legolas. Can anyone compare the ride -- handling,
"planing"? -- to the Roadeo or to the Rambouillet, or to the old Road
Standard or to an older Road Custom?

Does it have less bb drop than Rivendell road models? Does this affect
handling or feel?

What is the fattest tire that will fit on a Legolas, no fenders?

Thanks.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 8:15 AM reynoldslugs  wrote:

> Well, I'd choose ... and that:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157645542691980
>
> Legolas - fast and fun, light.  Always makes me happy.
>

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Re: [RBW] Is there a 31.8 clamp drop bar comparable to a Nitto Noodle 54cm?

[Patrick Moore]

Nitto makes a 25.4 to 31.8 handlebar shim; I used one to get my first pair
of Maes Parallels to fit my Ritchey stem. Rivendell and Analog sell them.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 8:07 PM 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hey, all:
>
> I'm wanting to try a 54cm Nitto Noodle drop, but I want to keep my 31.8
> Faceplater to facilitate cockpit changes.
>
> Anyone know of a comparable bar or solution? Maybe I should just get a
> Noodle and stem for change outs...
>
> Also, am I on the right track going with a Noodle (54cm cuz I'm tall)? I
> plan on using it as a cockpit option for my Atlantis build.
>
> Happy Holidays,
>
> Scott
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Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Patrick Moore]

The Atlantis is nice too. I have to say that you keep your bikes looking
new. Or are they both new? Mine are never as clean and always show a bit of
wear on frame, components, luggage.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 8:15 AM reynoldslugs  wrote:

> Well, I'd choose this:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157696979339224
>
> and that:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157645542691980
>
> Legolas - fast and fun, light.  Always makes me happy.
> Atlantis - same but more rock solid.
>
> My favorite bike... is whichever one I'm riding at the moment.
>
> Happy Holidays everyone, stay safe
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:30:49 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hey Masa!
>>
>> This is a cool companion to the occasional One Riv To Rule Them All
>> threads we do around here.
>>
>> I'm currently a one Riv (and one folding bike) person, my custom is a
>> low-stepover kinda-pavement-oriented bike like your Platypus: It'll go just
>> about anywhere but wasn't designed for hardcore off-road riding or full-on
>> touring loads. I've done some shopping runs on it that I could feel in the
>> frame was probably pushing my luck with how much weight I was carrying, so
>> for me my second Riv would be heavier duty. I've also recently moved to an
>> area with a bunch of fire roads and singletrack, and although my riding
>> interests/capabilities would preclude major mountain biking escapades I'd
>> still like to know my frame could take the abuse.
>>
>> So I'd reach as far from my lightish roadish frame as possible, which
>> takes me past the lugged frames and into Clem or Gus territory. What I end
>> up with - if/when I decide to do it - would depend largely on money and
>> opportunity to pick something up. I really like the Gus but they're pricey
>> even used and rarely available; Clems are great and easier to find. I've
>> owned a few and imagine I'll have one again sometime.
>>
>> I hope this was helpful for you. I saw on another thread that you asked
>> Leah for a comparison of her Platy(s) and Clem L, I hope she chimes in
>> here, she has much to say and says it well! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you
>>> could own.
>>>
>>> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of
>>> roads? Any definition is welcome.
>>>
>>> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere
>>> for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to
>>> know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as
>>> a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
>>>
>>> I hope you enjoy the topic!
>>>
>>> Masa
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is there a 31.8 clamp drop bar comparable to a Nitto Noodle 54cm?

[Andrew Spencer]

The rene herse maes bars look alot like noodles and come in 31.8
On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 10:20:45 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> They're kinda fiddly but not too bad with an open face stem. I've used the 
> old Nitto shims with the squared sharp edges in traditional 
> Technomics/Tallux and whatnot and...never again! 
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 10:06:06 PM UTC-8 zem...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Agree with Joe. The best 31.8 noodle is a noodle with a shim :)
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:55:54 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Joe! I'll check out the doohickey...
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:03 PM, Joe Bernard
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> This doohickey works. I have one in a SOMA open stem holding a 25.4 
>>> Billie Bar, just make sure you pick the 26.0 version for Noodles. 
>>>
>>> Riv only seems to have them in black and it's kind of annoying on my 
>>> stem cuz the face plate has a big-old hole in the front where you can see 
>>> the shim, but the Nitto Face Plater doesn't have that. Maybe someone else 
>>> sells a silver shim. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/aluminum-handlebar-shim-25-4-or-26-0-to-31-8-wheels-manufacturing
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 7:07:49 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey, all:
>>>
>>> I'm wanting to try a 54cm Nitto Noodle drop, but I want to keep my 31.8 
>>> Faceplater to facilitate cockpit changes.
>>>
>>> Anyone know of a comparable bar or solution? Maybe I should just get a 
>>> Noodle and stem for change outs...
>>>
>>> Also, am I on the right track going with a Noodle (54cm cuz I'm tall)? I 
>>> plan on using it as a cockpit option for my Atlantis build.
>>>
>>> Happy Holidays,
>>>
>>> Scott
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[RBW] 57cm A Homer Hilsen Geo ?

[Eliot Balogh]

Looking at a frameset and owner doesn’t know the year. Top tube is 57cm
CTC, seat tube is 57cm CTT. Head tube is 15mm.

There are only a few years on Bike Insights but this would suggest it’s a
57cm frame from ~2017. Did the geometry change much around those years ?
The stack and reach are great but the stand over is about the same as my
PBH :p

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

[Josh Brown]

I have blue lug sharks that I've put upwards of 2k miles on this year and
they don't spin like any of my mks pedals. They're great/look great but I'm
fairly certain they are the last non-mks pedals I'll buy and I'm pretty ok
with that. Of course ymmv...

On Fri, Dec 9, 2022, 9:29 AM Ryan Frahm  wrote:

> The bear trap will get smoother over time but never match the Bubbly, the
> Bubbly is the smoothest pedal I’ve ever seen. I prefer the larger platform
> of the Bubbly (they are on my commuter) but haven’t bought a set to replace
> my bear trap pedals on my Susie. Nothing wrong with the bear traps at all.
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:49:46 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, and/or
>> you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge
>> bearings. Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease either.
>> More grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the bearing
>> isn't loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper
>> adjustment, not unlike Shimano hubs.
>>
>> As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin
>> freely. Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs because
>> they're not cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means one
>> will spin better or worse than the other.
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair plus
>>> add some vintage charm!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>>
 Hey Max,

 Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your
 observation.

 We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals
 and they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong
 with the Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different
 level.

 That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your decision,
 you did what works for the time being and maybe later on down the road you
 get to try the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all that much.

 Jared in SLO

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went to
> my LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly pedals 
> -
> I really liked the spin on them and the looks, but unfortunately they only
> had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks website, but the
> polished were sold out. (Their next order was going to be in about a month
> at best)
>
> Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear
> Trap III and ordered them in silver.
>
> They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less
> smooth than the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive $62 
> vs
> $100 but still, is this normal?
>
> Is it the lack of sealed bearings that affects rotational performance?
>
> Will I feel a real difference if I go with one over the other?
>
> Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.
>
> Max in Boston
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Re: [RBW] Is there a 31.8 clamp drop bar comparable to a Nitto Noodle 54cm?

[Patrick Moore]

I use the Maes Parallel on 3 bikes and IMO it's the best road drop bar on
the market at least for non-brifter brake levers: longish reach, long flat
ramps, modest drop, flat hooks. It does come in 31.8.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 9:34 AM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Are you in same position I am, looking for a 31.8 drop?
>
> Did you see the RH Maes Parallel on the their site?
>
> Thoughts?!
>
> Has anyone else tried the RH Randonneur or Maes Parallel? Takes, please?
>
> Best,
>
> Scott
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 05:37:57 AM MST, Steven Sweedler <
> sweed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Scott, yesterday on the Bob list I asked about comparisons of the Noodle
> and the RH Randonneur bar that comes in 31.8. The two responders liked both
> bars and had used them for years. Steve
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 10:07 PM 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hey, all:
>
> I'm wanting to try a 54cm Nitto Noodle drop, but I want to keep my 31.8
> Faceplater to facilitate cockpit changes.
>
> Anyone know of a comparable bar or solution? Maybe I should just get a
> Noodle and stem for change outs...
>
> Also, am I on the right track going with a Noodle (54cm cuz I'm tall)? I
> plan on using it as a cockpit option for my Atlantis build.
>
> Happy Holidays,
>
> Scott
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Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Andrew Turner]

The original Atlantis was Riv summed up for me. It's a selfish request but 
boy did it look good with shorter chainstays. 

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 6:59:08 PM UTC-6 Bill Fulford wrote:

> Bombadil, no question.
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:33:51 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> hands down, a Legolas.. ideally a Taiwan-made frame to save a little 
>> coin..
>>
>> I just picked up a new-to-me Rambouillet, so I'm covered there for now.. 
>> :) 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:12:54 PM UTC-8 jackd...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My Hunqapillar is the favorite in the stable, but I think a case can 
>>> really be made to bring back the Bleriot. Classic geometry, MIT (I believe) 
>>> to keep the price reasonable, and I'd argue that the decal 
>>>  is the best Riv 
>>> has done. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>
 legolas OR a more classically styled country bike with close to level 
 top tube and shorter chain stays

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:16:03 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> I vote long stay version of Glorious and Hunqapillar in CLEAR COAT...
>
> I hope Grant is listening
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 03:11:33 PM MST, Mackenzy Albright <
> mackenzy...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> All these threads about "choosing the one Riv" or "how do I pick which 
> model" got me thinking. If you could convince Rivendell to resurrect one 
> out of production modelwhich would you choose? 
>
> After acquiring a Clementine after a new Clem Smith Jr, I see merit of 
> the geometry of the Clementine as a standalone step through that feels 
> like 
> a long wheelbase agile bike rather than a floaty surfboard. I absolutely 
> adore both-but they're extraordinarily different, despite being a natural 
> and logical evolution. I really enjoyed the reference of the thread "a 
> tale 
> of two clems" by Ding Ding! as I found similarities in my experience. 
>
> The evolution of Rivendell's is absolutely fascinating to me as there 
> has never been a hang up for changing tried and true models. XO-1 - ALL 
> Rounder - TOYO Atlantis - MUSA Atlantis - MIT Atlantis. People are still 
> obsessive with each rendition of a concept over its evolution. 
>
>
> SOoo long story short. I would choose the Hunqapillar. Hands down. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tempt me to sell you my 51cm Bright orange Sam Hillborne

[Colin]

Have you thought about getting it repainted? Would be a lot cheaper/less 
logistics than a brand new frame. I just got the lime color and am planning 
a re-paint in the future

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:41:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> Very Good !  
>
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[RBW] Atlantis 10 speed friction shifting?

[Sosa]

Howdy all,

My Atlantis is equipped with the silver 38/24 crank up front, and an 11-42 
10 speed cassette in the rear.  For rear shifting, I have the Deore Rapid 
Fire trigger shifter (index).

I'd like to switch to friction shifting in the rear, without having to 
change the cassette. Any ideas / experience on how to make this work? 

 Thanks - 
Sam in StL , MO

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[RBW] FS: Paul Long Pull Levers & Nitto 65 Seatpost

['Bryan Dalik' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi All,

Building up a new Riv and I am parting with some things that won't work for 
it.

Paul Love Levers - Long Pull brake levers in great shape minus some typical 
wear and some scratches. 155$ Shipped to US

Nitto 65 - 27.2 mm seatpost in great shape, single bolt design. 250mm 
length. Again, some typical wear and scratches but otherwise perfect. 65$ 
Shipped to the US
Any questions, by all means.

Thanks!
Bryan

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[RBW] WTT - 80mm Jim Stem for 120mm

[Chris Copeland]

Hey all, anyone out there got an IRD Jim Stem that’s too long for them? 
I’ve got an 80mm and I’m looking for the 120mm to better suit my albatross 
bars. 25.4 clamp. Thanks!

Chris (Seattle) 

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[RBW] Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

[Eliot Balogh]

How much more tire and fender clearance does the Canti version have
compared to say a Paul Racer side pull ?

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[RBW] Re: VeloCals bicycle decals - Shutting down retail operations

[Kim Hetzel]

You are welcome, Philip.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm,WA
...once lived in Sebastopol as a small child.
On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:39:53 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Thanks for the heads up. 
> I just ordered a set of Bontrager RoadLite decals for
> my son’s bike. best of luck to VeloCals in their sign business. 
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:30:21 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> VeloCals is shutting down retail operations as of December 31st @ 11:59 
>> pm CST
>>
>> https://velocals.com/
>>
>> another one bits the dust.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>
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Re: [RBW] FS 62 cm 2022 MIT Atlantis 4100 OBO

[Luke Hendrickson]

Someone should scoop this up! I have a 2022 MIT Atlantis and dig it. 

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 3:03:41 PM UTC-8 e.q.s...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tekro makes the only pair of drop bar long pull levers. I believe the 
> model is RL520. I love the XTR V-Brake and I have them on my bridgestone. I 
> had this bike set up with Tosco bars and there was nowhere near enough 
> reach for me. Unfortunately, youll have to go with bar-end shifters or 
> downtube shifters if you go that route. I dont think youll be happy with 
> the braking if you dont use a long pull lever though. 
> RE: cliffhangers. Grant has said that there's no need for msw's but I see 
> what youre saying. Ive only put approx. 200 miles on the bike and it has 
> been fine for me. I think the rims themselves are a little heavy, but if 
> you're wanting to do touring they're really a great option. 
>
> Personally, this bike's utility was covered by bikes I already own ( A riv 
> rambouillet for road/rando, and a bridgestone XO-2 for commuting/touring). 
> I think I really just wanted a full rigid MTB, which this is not. 
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 4:44 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Emmet:
>>
>> Set-up question for ya. I like direction you took your Atlantis build 
>> (I'm in middle of building a 62 myself). I'm strongly considering exactly 
>> that route. How do the road brake levers work with the v-brakes? I've read 
>> road levers don't have enough pull for v-bakes to provide good breaking. 
>> What's your experience, since your set-up is just that?
>>
>> I'm wanting to run Ultegra 600 brifters with XTR v-brakes to get a set-up 
>> with a cockpit, brakes, and plump tires; like your (for now) Atlantis.
>>
>> Your thoughts, please?
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 02:10:33 PM MST, Emmet Sheehan <
>> e.q.s...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Since someone else already posted it, I'd figure i'd put it up here. Can 
>> maybe do a better deal if I sell it here instead of Ebay, shoot me an offer?
>>
>> I’m selling my 2022 MIT 62cm Atlantis built at Hope Cyclery in Johnstown 
>> (that I posted here a couple months ago). Take a look! 
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wkeNcXbQJR1VStvPA
>>
>> Build highlights:
>> Velocity Cliffhangers 36h - silver rear hub, son dynamo in front
>> Towel Rack bars with Tekro long pull/shimano brakes
>> 3x9 drivetrain, silver cranks, deore rear, sun xcd front
>> Asking 4100 shipped and insured OBO
>> Never fell in love with this like I thought I would, wasn’t quite perfect 
>> for twisty, technical singletrack I was wanting, and I have several other 
>> commuting/touring bikes. It is truly a jack of all trades and someone will 
>> love it. Maybe you!
>>
>> -Emmet
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[RBW] Re: VeloCals bicycle decals - Shutting down retail operations

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks for the heads up. 
I just ordered a set of Bontrager RoadLite decals for
my son’s bike. best of luck to VeloCals in their sign business. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif
On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:30:21 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> VeloCals is shutting down retail operations as of December 31st @ 11:59 pm 
> CST
>
> https://velocals.com/
>
> another one bits the dust.
>
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Re: [RBW] FS 62 cm 2022 MIT Atlantis 4100 OBO

[Emmet Sheehan]

Tekro makes the only pair of drop bar long pull levers. I believe the model
is RL520. I love the XTR V-Brake and I have them on my bridgestone. I had
this bike set up with Tosco bars and there was nowhere near enough reach
for me. Unfortunately, youll have to go with bar-end shifters or
downtube shifters if you go that route. I dont think youll be happy with
the braking if you dont use a long pull lever though.
RE: cliffhangers. Grant has said that there's no need for msw's but I see
what youre saying. Ive only put approx. 200 miles on the bike and it has
been fine for me. I think the rims themselves are a little heavy, but if
you're wanting to do touring they're really a great option.

Personally, this bike's utility was covered by bikes I already own ( A riv
rambouillet for road/rando, and a bridgestone XO-2 for commuting/touring).
I think I really just wanted a full rigid MTB, which this is not.

On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 4:44 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Emmet:
>
> Set-up question for ya. I like direction you took your Atlantis build (I'm
> in middle of building a 62 myself). I'm strongly considering exactly that
> route. How do the road brake levers work with the v-brakes? I've read road
> levers don't have enough pull for v-bakes to provide good breaking. What's
> your experience, since your set-up is just that?
>
> I'm wanting to run Ultegra 600 brifters with XTR v-brakes to get a set-up
> with a cockpit, brakes, and plump tires; like your (for now) Atlantis.
>
> Your thoughts, please?
>
> Scott
>
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 02:10:33 PM MST, Emmet Sheehan <
> e.q.shee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Since someone else already posted it, I'd figure i'd put it up here. Can
> maybe do a better deal if I sell it here instead of Ebay, shoot me an offer?
>
> I’m selling my 2022 MIT 62cm Atlantis built at Hope Cyclery in Johnstown
> (that I posted here a couple months ago). Take a look!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wkeNcXbQJR1VStvPA
>
> Build highlights:
> Velocity Cliffhangers 36h - silver rear hub, son dynamo in front
> Towel Rack bars with Tekro long pull/shimano brakes
> 3x9 drivetrain, silver cranks, deore rear, sun xcd front
> Asking 4100 shipped and insured OBO
> Never fell in love with this like I thought I would, wasn’t quite perfect
> for twisty, technical singletrack I was wanting, and I have several other
> commuting/touring bikes. It is truly a jack of all trades and someone will
> love it. Maybe you!
>
> -Emmet
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Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[brendonoid]

I always desperately wanted 58cm Hunqapillar, but the Appaloosa came out 
with superior Geo and I could never justify the gamble of buying a second 
hand bike in another country.

If I could bring back a model it would be the Suluki. I want an fat tyred 
road bike, dang it.

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Re: [RBW] FS 62 cm 2022 MIT Atlantis 4100 OBO

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Emmet:
Another question for ya. I just ordered a set of Cliffs, non-machined sidewall. 
Are you happy with yours? Or given the choice again, would you go machined 
sidewall? The brake pad residue looks a little uneven on your rim is why I ask? 
Think the machined sidewall is the way to go, knowing what you know now?!
Scott

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 02:10:33 PM MST, Emmet Sheehan 
 wrote:  
 
 Since someone else already posted it, I'd figure i'd put it up here. Can maybe 
do a better deal if I sell it here instead of Ebay, shoot me an offer?
I’m selling my 2022 MIT 62cm Atlantis built at Hope Cyclery in Johnstown (that 
I posted here a couple months ago). Take a look! 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wkeNcXbQJR1VStvPA

Build highlights:Velocity Cliffhangers 36h - silver rear hub, son dynamo in 
frontTowel Rack bars with Tekro long pull/shimano brakes3x9 drivetrain, silver 
cranks, deore rear, sun xcd frontAsking 4100 shipped and insured OBONever fell 
in love with this like I thought I would, wasn’t quite perfect for twisty, 
technical singletrack I was wanting, and I have several other commuting/touring 
bikes. It is truly a jack of all trades and someone will love it. Maybe you!
-Emmet


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Re: [RBW] FS 62 cm 2022 MIT Atlantis 4100 OBO

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Emmet:
Set-up question for ya. I like direction you took your Atlantis build (I'm in 
middle of building a 62 myself). I'm strongly considering exactly that route. 
How do the road brake levers work with the v-brakes? I've read road levers 
don't have enough pull for v-bakes to provide good breaking. What's your 
experience, since your set-up is just that?
I'm wanting to run Ultegra 600 brifters with XTR v-brakes to get a set-up with 
a cockpit, brakes, and plump tires; like your (for now) Atlantis.

Your thoughts, please?
Scott

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 02:10:33 PM MST, Emmet Sheehan 
 wrote:  
 
 Since someone else already posted it, I'd figure i'd put it up here. Can maybe 
do a better deal if I sell it here instead of Ebay, shoot me an offer?
I’m selling my 2022 MIT 62cm Atlantis built at Hope Cyclery in Johnstown (that 
I posted here a couple months ago). Take a look! 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wkeNcXbQJR1VStvPA

Build highlights:Velocity Cliffhangers 36h - silver rear hub, son dynamo in 
frontTowel Rack bars with Tekro long pull/shimano brakes3x9 drivetrain, silver 
cranks, deore rear, sun xcd frontAsking 4100 shipped and insured OBONever fell 
in love with this like I thought I would, wasn’t quite perfect for twisty, 
technical singletrack I was wanting, and I have several other commuting/touring 
bikes. It is truly a jack of all trades and someone will love it. Maybe you!
-Emmet


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini Clearance and Brake Reach

[Will M]

@Michael: I don't have experience with the Ene Ciclo front carrier, but it 
seems an elegant solution.  I assume the Riv/Nitto Mark's rack would also 
be an option with the Racers (it performed the job just fine with the 
caliper brakes on my Riv Ram).  Agree with your partner about the 
"concerted effort" of the GC700 (well said). I was never able to get the 
GC610s on my VO dialed in in a way that gave the confidence of a 
linear-pull brake... or my old Ultegra sidepulls. Local bike shop was 
unsuccessful too.  Good points about fenders -- I guess there's only so 
much room on a Roadini.  There were some comments on an old Quickbeam thread 

 
where some posited that one really wants fenders 10mm wider than the tires 
to avoid the small finicky rubbing problems.  I note the SKS P50 claims 
45mm max tire -- which I may try as the SKS doesn't have certain nuts and 
bolt heads inside the fenders like the VOs.  Cheers.  --Will

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 12:43:20 PM UTC-5 Michael Doleman wrote:

> Despite the huge price, I am considering getting some Paul Racers for my 
> partner's Roadini. While the GC700 pair has been serving well enough, she 
> does report that controlling speed on steeper descents requires a bit of 
> concerted effort. Not so bad that it actually "needs" fixing, but for 
> longer term it's worth thinking about. I don't know if the Racers would 
> definitely perform all that much better, but in looking at the design I 
> think they very well might -- I'm guessing there would be less flex with 
> the way the arms are designed. At almost 400 bucks for a set of the 
> polished finish, though -- wow, that's a serious commitment. I guess that's 
> what you pay for quality MUSA parts.
>
> Part of the reason I'm using the GC700, though, is to be able to mount one 
> of the small Ene Ciclo front racks which is specifically designed around 
> the bolts of the GC610 & 700. I'd have to come-up with a different rack & 
> mounting configuration (I think) if we decide to go with the Racers. I 
> guess there's always p-clips :-/  Which leads to another point about the 
> Roadini -- weird (to me) that Rivdendell touts the utility of racks on any 
> given bike, but then fails to include fork mounts on the Roadini. I mean, 
> not a huge-huge issue, but it would sure have been nice. For the little 
> mini Berthoud bag my partner uses on the Roadini, I think I could likely 
> get away with just hanging it from a decaleur (somehow), so perhaps that's 
> the way to go.
>
> Tire/fender-wise, right now we have Rene Herse 35mm tires and 
> SimWorks/Honjo smooth/51mm fenders. That works reasonably well, with some 
> minor fit-up headaches. I don't know that a 38 would fit comfortably with 
> those fenders very well, and I think they are likely about the same as the 
> VO 50mm. I think they'd rub somewhere unless kept in perfect alignment at 
> all times. On my Hillborne, I like to run 38mm tires and I have the 
> SimWork/Honjo smooth/62mm fenders. They fit with lots of room to spare, for 
> the tire, but I did have to dimple them for clearance at the fork blades 
> and chain stays. I suspect the same would be true of the Roadini.
>
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 8:19:56 AM UTC-8 Will M wrote:
>
>> Michael: Thanks for starting this thread -- very helpful.  
>>
>> A related question: for the current crop of new Roadini's, is anyone 
>> running the Paul Racers (not the "M") and what max fender are you using on 
>> the Roadini with the Racer?   (Would like to run a 50mm VO snakeskin with 
>> RH 38mm tires.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Will M
>> NYC
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 12:18:56 PM UTC-4 Michael Doleman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My plan is to use the GC700 front and rear, for the sake of consistent 
>>> look and convenience (the 610 has threaded pad mounting, while the 700 has 
>>> unthreaded posts). Also I'd just prefer to keep sets together.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 9:11 AM Patch T  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Michael - I was eagerly waiting for these results. Are you 
 running GC700 front and rear, or keeping the 610 up front?

 Patch in NYC

 On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-4 Michael Doleman 
 wrote:

> In a previous conversation I promised to post my findings on actual 
> brake reach needs for the new Roadini frames. Specifically, I had been 
> speculating that the Dia-Compe/Gran-Compe model GC610 center-pull could 
> work, despite having only 61 of the specified-as-required 63 millimeters 
> of 
> reach.
>
> My partner just received her new 50cm model, and I've conducted some 
> initial studies. Findings are interesting, the main one being that there 
> seems to be a rather huge difference between reach needed for the frame 
> versus the fork. For the fork, the GC610 very easily works, with plenty 

[RBW] FS 62 cm 2022 MIT Atlantis 4100 OBO

[Emmet Sheehan]

Since someone else already posted it, I'd figure i'd put it up here. Can 
maybe do a better deal if I sell it here instead of Ebay, shoot me an offer?

I’m selling my 2022 MIT 62cm Atlantis built at Hope Cyclery in Johnstown 
(that I posted here a couple months ago). Take a look! 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/wkeNcXbQJR1VStvPA

Build highlights:
Velocity Cliffhangers 36h - silver rear hub, son dynamo in front
Towel Rack bars with Tekro long pull/shimano brakes
3x9 drivetrain, silver cranks, deore rear, sun xcd front
Asking 4100 shipped and insured OBO
Never fell in love with this like I thought I would, wasn’t quite perfect 
for twisty, technical singletrack I was wanting, and I have several other 
commuting/touring bikes. It is truly a jack of all trades and someone will 
love it. Maybe you!

-Emmet

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Re: [RBW] New Gus!

[Ryan Frahm]

I for one would love to see a Gus with EE wings and friction 1x Eagle or 
Garbaruk cassette. Friction shifting a 12 speed cassette feels better to me 
than the 7 speed I have. The spacing feels so perfect!

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 12:26:21 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Frame/ Fork only. So interesting that a lot of folks are running 1x. My 
> dream build might be to install the ee wing crank I already own (170 crank 
> arms) in a 1x setup. I also own (ugly?) Sram GX 12 speed shifter. I was 
> thinking a 9 or 10 cassette? The crank is currently attached to a 30t 
> Absolute Black elliptical ring, which I realize is controversial. But I 
> have enjoyed it. It does not feel weird but I do feel strong on climbs with 
> it. This crank was on my full suspension bike (selling) with a 10-50 SRAM 
> cassette. That 30-50 low worked well for me. I don’t even know if you can 
> get a 50 on other than 12 speed cassettes? Can I use the GX rear derailleur 
> with a cluster that has less than 12 cogs? 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 10, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> On my Gus, I’m running a 1x drivetrain. I went with a White crankset and 
> bottom bracket (BSA) and I’m using a Deore M5100 RD and matching 11-51 
> cassette. I originally installed a 32t ring up front, but last week I 
> swapped it for a 34t to give me a little more on the high end.
>
> On Dec 10, 2022, at 1:12 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Richard, I'm stoked for you! Congrats on your new-to-you Gus!
>
> Keep in touch, so we can compare notes on OUR upcoming Gus builds. I've 
> got some ideas as to drivetrain options and haven't made a decision yet 
> myself. Hoping to hear yours and other member's thoughts about a recipe for 
> a yummy Gus drivetrain. 
>
> Did you score a complete bike or f/f?
>
> Merry, early, Christmas...
>
> Scott
>
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 09:17:31 AM MST, Richard Rose <
> rmro...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Wow, what a few days. I love my Clem so much that I have been really 
> craving a Susie as a dedicated singletrack bike. I just love the gold 
> color. Alas, none to be found anywhere and none on the horizon. But, I 
> found a Gus in my size and I quite like the mermaid so I bought it. Now I 
> am selling stuff all over the place to justify it. My seldom ridden but fun 
> as heck fatbike is gone and my full suspension bike will be gone soon as 
> well. Never a dull moment and then - the frames appear on the Crust site. 
> What the actual hell?! But its all good, no going back. Excited to get this 
> Gus on the trail this spring. I may have a lot of questions drivetrain 
> related. And brakes. As someone else said, Christmas came early for me. 
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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Stephanie A.]

At first I thought I really only wanted a Platypus. I bike to get around 
the city. What more could I need? And then I started thinking. What if I 
want to ride on trails or have a slightly more aggressive ride? I can't 
quite say which I'd have as a second bike without riding any of them, but 
now I'm thinking I may eventually want an Atlantis, Homer, or Sam...
On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 jasonz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi Masa!  Yes lots of fun and fun yet to be had!  Here is a link to the 
> two bikes:
>
>  https://flickr.com/photos/197124752@N07/shares/C33fDW3gf1
>
> (still learning how to upload photos here, or use my iPhone to add to 
> conversations)
>
> My QB is set up 48-18 free/fixed with a Paul flip flop hub and a SP7 
> polished front hub laced to polished velocity rims and 700cx42 Cava/Rose 
> ultradynamico rubber. The crank is Rene Herse SS 171mm crank arm, Paul T 
> Seatpost, and matching brooks honey saddle with the bar tap.  Bars are 600 
> Towel Rack that are absolutely lovely.  The brakes are Paul Cantis using 
> the cx method of mixing the neos with the touring Cantis. funky monkey on 
> the front for some added braking bling power.  I love this bike its been 
> used for 150 mile races to causal family riding.  I could see myself 
> touring with it, but like having it clean and rack free to maintain a light 
> and fast quick, quickbeam
>
> The Hunq is what I call my Disc-o-pHunqapillar, it is a MUSA Waterford 
> Hunq that has been updated by Waltworks to have disc brakes added, which I 
> think is a great feature for a heavy touring bike, certainly not critical, 
> but I like it, especially when I have my twins linked to the back in their 
> burley trailer.  It is currently under construction:
> Painting currently pending at D to be the grey/kidneybean/lined lugs 
> which I think really shines as a classic riv look and fun to have an OG 
> painting the OG hunq once more
> Bars will be 630 silver towel racks with grey newbaums and maroon Oury 
> grips, black and silver drilled TRP levers
> black cable housing with brass ferrels and brass barrel adjusters
> rear brake will be the DISC-o part of the pHunq.  I'll have a polished 
> Paul Klamper short pull here, the front will be polished silver Paul 
> Neo-canti brakes (going to keep it Canti up front) I think this will give 
> me ultimate stopping power and a cool/funky (phunqE) look to this bike
> combo brass/silver headset spacers / polished funky monkey front
> 1x White industries crank 38t black chainring, silver crank, 12 Spd rear 
> cassette
> black hubs front/rear with shutter precision dyno laced to velocity 
> cliffhanger with 700c Ultradynamico MARZ rubber
> I have marks hub area rack for panniers and a mini Nitto campee with a 
> sine wave beacon lamp ready for bags and packing not sure if I'll swap out 
> for a silver or black pass and stow 5 rail rack instead?  Not sure for the 
> rear rack at the moment thoughts?
> Nitto Jaguar Seatpost, Black/copper Ti brooks Seatpost to finish it off.
> I'll probably start a build thread once I get the Frame/fork back from 
> Rick.  Stoked for sure!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jason
>
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 5:37:58 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>
>> Hi Jason, I haven't ridden neither of them but sounds like if you have 
>> them you can not only ride everywhere but also have fun everywhere as much 
>> as possible as you said. I would like to see photos of the bikes if 
>> possible!
>>
>> Masa
>>
>> 2022年12月10日土曜日 1:38:46 UTC+9 jasonz...@gmail.com:
>>
>>> For me, I have a Quickbeam and a Hunqapillar, the riding I do varies 
>>> from fast road riding to rough gravel riding to dirt mtb single track 
>>> trails.  I think these two bikes are on opposite ends of the spectrum with 
>>> wide ranges so I can do most everything I enjoy on a bike!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:02:49 PM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>>>
 Hi JP, I can't take out my eyes off not only your bikes but records too!
 I think we have more than one thing in common:)

 Masa

 2022年12月9日金曜日 3:33:08 UTC+9 MoVelo:

> [image: Rambo1.jpg]Late to the party but these two have kept me happy.
>
> [image: Lego1.jpg]
>
> @Max B; I was really struck with how close your Leoglas is to mine. I 
> usually run Chris King hubs laced to Pacneti rims with RH 700x38s, but am 
> trying some slightly wider rubber here. 
>
> Cheers and Happy Holiday!
>
> JP
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:05:10 PM UTC-6 J wrote:
>
>> John- thanks for that GaiaGPS link. It's the first time I've seen it 
>> after hearing about it for years, it's a really nice set up. I really 
>> like 
>> how if you are just scrolling though photos it is simultaneously moving 
>> your point on the route as well in the background. Looks like a lovely 
>> ride. 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:00:39 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>

Re: [RBW] New Gus!

[Richard Rose]

Frame/ Fork only. So interesting that a lot of folks are running 1x. My dream build might be to install the ee wing crank I already own (170 crank arms) in a 1x setup. I also own (ugly?) Sram GX 12 speed shifter. I was thinking a 9 or 10 cassette? The crank is currently attached to a 30t Absolute Black elliptical ring, which I realize is controversial. But I have enjoyed it. It does not feel weird but I do feel strong on climbs with it. This crank was on my full suspension bike (selling) with a 10-50 SRAM cassette. That 30-50 low worked well for me. I don’t even know if you can get a 50 on other than 12 speed cassettes? Can I use the GX rear derailleur with a cluster that has less than 12 cogs? Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 10, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:On my Gus, I’m running a 1x drivetrain. I went with a White crankset and bottom bracket (BSA) and I’m using a Deore M5100 RD and matching 11-51 cassette. I originally installed a 32t ring up front, but last week I swapped it for a 34t to give me a little more on the high end.On Dec 10, 2022, at 1:12 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:
Richard, I'm stoked for you! Congrats on your new-to-you Gus!Keep in touch, so we can compare notes on OUR upcoming Gus builds. I've got some ideas as to drivetrain options and haven't made a decision yet myself. Hoping to hear yours and other member's thoughts about a recipe for a yummy Gus drivetrain. Did you score a complete bike or f/f?Merry, early, Christmas...Scott





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Wow, what a few days. I love my Clem so much that I have been really craving a Susie as a dedicated singletrack bike. I just love the gold color. Alas, none to be found anywhere and none on the horizon. But, I found a Gus in my size and I quite like the mermaid so I bought it. Now I am selling stuff all over the place to justify it. My seldom ridden but fun as heck fatbike is gone and my full suspension bike will be gone soon as well. Never a dull moment and then - the frames appear on the Crust site. What the actual hell?! But its all good, no going back. Excited to get this Gus on the trail this spring. I may have a lot of questions drivetrain related. And brakes. As someone else said, Christmas came early for me.



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Gus!

[Richard Rose]

Thanks!Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 10, 2022, at 1:06 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:Congrats! Welcome to the Gus club!On Dec 10, 2022, at 11:30 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:Congratulations Richard !  ... I am very happy for you. I can feel your elation and your happy dancing. I am glad that you are selling off your bikes and other goods to support your purchase. Looking forward to seeing your posts your progress questions and upgrades as you move forward with your new GUS frame set with pictures of course. Personally, I remain content with my Clem Smith Jr. "L" as my ATB and retirement bike.  Honjo Smooth 74 fenders are next on the horizon next year for my last upgrade. Kim HetzelYelm, WA.On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 8:17:25 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Wow, what a few days. I love my Clem so much that I have been really craving a Susie as a dedicated singletrack bike. I just love the gold color. Alas, none to be found anywhere and none on the horizon. But, I found a Gus in my size and I quite like the mermaid so I bought it. Now I am selling stuff all over the place to justify it. My seldom ridden but fun as heck fatbike is gone and my full suspension bike will be gone soon as well. Never a dull moment and then - the frames appear on the Crust site. What the actual hell?! But its all good, no going back. Excited to get this Gus on the trail this spring. I may have a lot of questions drivetrain related. And brakes. As someone else said, Christmas came early for me.



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Re: [RBW] New Gus!

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Brian, right on. Your reply answers what I was wondering. If you had more than 
enough stump-pull with 32 x 51, I'm hoping I get enough out of a 32 or 30 ring 
x 40 cog

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  On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Brian Turner wrote:   
Scott, I’m running 1x11. It’s a real stump-puller. I was finding that I was 
pretty much running it on the smallest 2 cogs when just cruising around town, 
and I was wanting a bit more so that’s why I swapped the chainring. I don’t 
think I sacrificed too much on the low end in doing so, but I’ve yet to take it 
out on a trail since the swap.

On Dec 10, 2022, at 2:08 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:



Brian, how many speed cassette? I'm leaning 1x already. 11-51 is wide ratio, 
must be a 10 or 11?I have a 31-40 8 spd I want to try

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  On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 12:04 PM, Brian Turner wrote:   
On my Gus, I’m running a 1x drivetrain. I went with a White crankset and bottom 
bracket (BSA) and I’m using a Deore M5100 RD and matching 11-51 cassette. I 
originally installed a 32t ring up front, but last week I swapped it for a 34t 
to give me a little more on the high end.

On Dec 10, 2022, at 1:12 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:



 Richard, I'm stoked for you! Congrats on your new-to-you Gus!
Keep in touch, so we can compare notes on OUR upcoming Gus builds. I've got 
some ideas as to drivetrain options and haven't made a decision yet myself. 
Hoping to hear yours and other member's thoughts about a recipe for a yummy Gus 
drivetrain. 

Did you score a complete bike or f/f?
Merry, early, Christmas...
Scott

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 09:17:31 AM MST, Richard Rose 
 wrote:  
 
 Wow, what a few days. I love my Clem so much that I have been really craving a 
Susie as a dedicated singletrack bike. I just love the gold color. Alas, none 
to be found anywhere and none on the horizon. But, I found a Gus in my size and 
I quite like the mermaid so I bought it. Now I am selling stuff all over the 
place to justify it. My seldom ridden but fun as heck fatbike is gone and my 
full suspension bike will be gone soon as well. Never a dull moment and then - 
the frames appear on the Crust site. What the actual hell?! But its all good, 
no going back. Excited to get this Gus on the trail this spring. I may have a 
lot of questions drivetrain related. And brakes. As someone else said, 
Christmas came early for me.

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Re: [RBW] New Gus!

[Brian Turner]

Scott, I’m running 1x11. It’s a real stump-puller. I was finding that I was pretty much running it on the smallest 2 cogs when just cruising around town, and I was wanting a bit more so that’s why I swapped the chainring. I don’t think I sacrificed too much on the low end in doing so, but I’ve yet to take it out on a trail since the swap.On Dec 10, 2022, at 2:08 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:Brian, how many speed cassette? I'm leaning 1x already. 11-51 is wide ratio, must be a 10 or 11?I have a 31-40 8 spd I want to trySent from Yahoo Mail on AndroidOn Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 12:04 PM, Brian Turner wrote:   On my Gus, I’m running a 1x drivetrain. I went with a White crankset and bottom bracket (BSA) and I’m using a Deore M5100 RD and matching 11-51 cassette. I originally installed a 32t ring up front, but last week I swapped it for a 34t to give me a little more on the high end.On Dec 10, 2022, at 1:12 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:
Richard, I'm stoked for you! Congrats on your new-to-you Gus!Keep in touch, so we can compare notes on OUR upcoming Gus builds. I've got some ideas as to drivetrain options and haven't made a decision yet myself. Hoping to hear yours and other member's thoughts about a recipe for a yummy Gus drivetrain. Did you score a complete bike or f/f?Merry, early, Christmas...Scott





On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 09:17:31 AM MST, Richard Rose  wrote:



Wow, what a few days. I love my Clem so much that I have been really craving a Susie as a dedicated singletrack bike. I just love the gold color. Alas, none to be found anywhere and none on the horizon. But, I found a Gus in my size and I quite like the mermaid so I bought it. Now I am selling stuff all over the place to justify it. My seldom ridden but fun as heck fatbike is gone and my full suspension bike will be gone soon as well. Never a dull moment and then - the frames appear on the Crust site. What the actual hell?! But its all good, no going back. Excited to get this Gus on the trail this spring. I may have a lot of questions drivetrain related. And brakes. As someone else said, Christmas came early for me.



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Re: [RBW] New Gus!

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Correction: I have an 11-40 I want to try

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  On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 12:16 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners 
Bunch wrote:   Brian, how many speed 
cassette? I'm leaning 1x already. 11-51 is wide ratio, must be a 10 or 11?I 
have a 31-40 8 spd I want to try

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 12:04 PM, Brian Turner wrote:   
On my Gus, I’m running a 1x drivetrain. I went with a White crankset and bottom 
bracket (BSA) and I’m using a Deore M5100 RD and matching 11-51 cassette. I 
originally installed a 32t ring up front, but last week I swapped it for a 34t 
to give me a little more on the high end.

On Dec 10, 2022, at 1:12 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:



 Richard, I'm stoked for you! Congrats on your new-to-you Gus!
Keep in touch, so we can compare notes on OUR upcoming Gus builds. I've got 
some ideas as to drivetrain options and haven't made a decision yet myself. 
Hoping to hear yours and other member's thoughts about a recipe for a yummy Gus 
drivetrain. 

Did you score a complete bike or f/f?
Merry, early, Christmas...
Scott

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 09:17:31 AM MST, Richard Rose 
 wrote:  
 
 Wow, what a few days. I love my Clem so much that I have been really craving a 
Susie as a dedicated singletrack bike. I just love the gold color. Alas, none 
to be found anywhere and none on the horizon. But, I found a Gus in my size and 
I quite like the mermaid so I bought it. Now I am selling stuff all over the 
place to justify it. My seldom ridden but fun as heck fatbike is gone and my 
full suspension bike will be gone soon as well. Never a dull moment and then - 
the frames appear on the Crust site. What the actual hell?! But its all good, 
no going back. Excited to get this Gus on the trail this spring. I may have a 
lot of questions drivetrain related. And brakes. As someone else said, 
Christmas came early for me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Philip Williamson]

The RM-3s are the same as the WTB bars that look very similar to the new
Potts bars. I snipped that out of my original reply.

I sold the old WTBs from my Quickbeam, and ended up replacing them with
RM-3s. Same bar. Blue Lug has silver in stock, and some stems that work
well with them.

One of the mysterious birthday/Xmas boxes in the house might have a set of
Potts bars for me…

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif



On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:52 AM Drew Saunders 
wrote:

> Steve Potts has reintroduced a new version of the original WTB dirt drop,
> which Soma is selling:
>
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/steve-potts-original-dirt-drop-bar-31-8-60cm-5910
>
> I have the real original WTB bars, bought in 1999, on my Ibis Mojo, and I
> would definitely get these new ones if I had the space for another bike.
>
> Drew
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:29:59 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Check out WhatBars  to compare profiles for many
>> of the offerings out there.  As I recall, the Portola is a similar profile
>> to the Ritcheys I like, except I needed 31.8 instead of 26.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM Pancake  wrote:
>>
>>> Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
>>> 56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
>>> Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.
>>>
>>> That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider,
>>> more flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though like
>>> another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside down
>>> and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position).
>>> I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m
>>> also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it.
>>>
>>> Description from soma:
>>> This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a
>>> 26.0mm center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for
>>> adventure touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. Grips
>>> have a slight flare. Width at lever mounting area: 41cm (53cm size), 45.5cm
>>> (56cm size) approx.  - Polished 6061 T6 aluminum - 53 and 56cm widths
>>> (measured center to center at bar ends) - 26.0mm center
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey everyone!
 I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided
 to start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared 
 drops.

 I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little
 flare and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm
 tempted by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.

 If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going
 is casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too
 technical or serious.

 Thanks!
 Ben

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Re: [RBW] New Gus!

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Brian, how many speed cassette? I'm leaning 1x already. 11-51 is wide ratio, 
must be a 10 or 11?I have a 31-40 8 spd I want to try

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  On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 12:04 PM, Brian Turner wrote:   
On my Gus, I’m running a 1x drivetrain. I went with a White crankset and bottom 
bracket (BSA) and I’m using a Deore M5100 RD and matching 11-51 cassette. I 
originally installed a 32t ring up front, but last week I swapped it for a 34t 
to give me a little more on the high end.

On Dec 10, 2022, at 1:12 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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 Richard, I'm stoked for you! Congrats on your new-to-you Gus!
Keep in touch, so we can compare notes on OUR upcoming Gus builds. I've got 
some ideas as to drivetrain options and haven't made a decision yet myself. 
Hoping to hear yours and other member's thoughts about a recipe for a yummy Gus 
drivetrain. 

Did you score a complete bike or f/f?
Merry, early, Christmas...
Scott

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 09:17:31 AM MST, Richard Rose 
 wrote:  
 
 Wow, what a few days. I love my Clem so much that I have been really craving a 
Susie as a dedicated singletrack bike. I just love the gold color. Alas, none 
to be found anywhere and none on the horizon. But, I found a Gus in my size and 
I quite like the mermaid so I bought it. Now I am selling stuff all over the 
place to justify it. My seldom ridden but fun as heck fatbike is gone and my 
full suspension bike will be gone soon as well. Never a dull moment and then - 
the frames appear on the Crust site. What the actual hell?! But its all good, 
no going back. Excited to get this Gus on the trail this spring. I may have a 
lot of questions drivetrain related. And brakes. As someone else said, 
Christmas came early for me.

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Re: [RBW] New Gus!

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On my Gus, I’m running a 1x drivetrain. I went with a White crankset and bottom bracket (BSA) and I’m using a Deore M5100 RD and matching 11-51 cassette. I originally installed a 32t ring up front, but last week I swapped it for a 34t to give me a little more on the high end.On Dec 10, 2022, at 1:12 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:
Richard, I'm stoked for you! Congrats on your new-to-you Gus!Keep in touch, so we can compare notes on OUR upcoming Gus builds. I've got some ideas as to drivetrain options and haven't made a decision yet myself. Hoping to hear yours and other member's thoughts about a recipe for a yummy Gus drivetrain. Did you score a complete bike or f/f?Merry, early, Christmas...Scott





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Wow, what a few days. I love my Clem so much that I have been really craving a Susie as a dedicated singletrack bike. I just love the gold color. Alas, none to be found anywhere and none on the horizon. But, I found a Gus in my size and I quite like the mermaid so I bought it. Now I am selling stuff all over the place to justify it. My seldom ridden but fun as heck fatbike is gone and my full suspension bike will be gone soon as well. Never a dull moment and then - the frames appear on the Crust site. What the actual hell?! But its all good, no going back. Excited to get this Gus on the trail this spring. I may have a lot of questions drivetrain related. And brakes. As someone else said, Christmas came early for me.



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Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Drew Saunders]

Steve Potts has reintroduced a new version of the original WTB dirt drop, 
which Soma is selling: 
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/steve-potts-original-dirt-drop-bar-31-8-60cm-5910

I have the real original WTB bars, bought in 1999, on my Ibis Mojo, and I 
would definitely get these new ones if I had the space for another bike.

Drew
On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:29:59 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Check out WhatBars  to compare profiles for many 
> of the offerings out there.  As I recall, the Portola is a similar profile 
> to the Ritcheys I like, except I needed 31.8 instead of 26.
>
> Will
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM Pancake  wrote:
>
>> Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
>> 56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
>> Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.
>>
>> That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider, 
>> more flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though like 
>> another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside down 
>> and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position). 
>> I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m 
>> also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it. 
>>
>> Description from soma:
>> This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a 
>> 26.0mm center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for 
>> adventure touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. Grips 
>> have a slight flare. Width at lever mounting area: 41cm (53cm size), 45.5cm 
>> (56cm size) approx.  - Polished 6061 T6 aluminum - 53 and 56cm widths 
>> (measured center to center at bar ends) - 26.0mm center 
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone!
>>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>>
>>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>>
>>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>>> technical or serious.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben
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Re: [RBW] New Gus!

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 Richard, I'm stoked for you! Congrats on your new-to-you Gus!
Keep in touch, so we can compare notes on OUR upcoming Gus builds. I've got 
some ideas as to drivetrain options and haven't made a decision yet myself. 
Hoping to hear yours and other member's thoughts about a recipe for a yummy Gus 
drivetrain. 

Did you score a complete bike or f/f?
Merry, early, Christmas...
Scott

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 09:17:31 AM MST, Richard Rose 
 wrote:  
 
 Wow, what a few days. I love my Clem so much that I have been really craving a 
Susie as a dedicated singletrack bike. I just love the gold color. Alas, none 
to be found anywhere and none on the horizon. But, I found a Gus in my size and 
I quite like the mermaid so I bought it. Now I am selling stuff all over the 
place to justify it. My seldom ridden but fun as heck fatbike is gone and my 
full suspension bike will be gone soon as well. Never a dull moment and then - 
the frames appear on the Crust site. What the actual hell?! But its all good, 
no going back. Excited to get this Gus on the trail this spring. I may have a 
lot of questions drivetrain related. And brakes. As someone else said, 
Christmas came early for me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Gus!

[Brian Turner]

Congrats! Welcome to the Gus club!On Dec 10, 2022, at 11:30 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:Congratulations Richard !  ... I am very happy for you. I can feel your elation and your happy dancing. I am glad that you are selling off your bikes and other goods to support your purchase. Looking forward to seeing your posts your progress questions and upgrades as you move forward with your new GUS frame set with pictures of course. Personally, I remain content with my Clem Smith Jr. "L" as my ATB and retirement bike.  Honjo Smooth 74 fenders are next on the horizon next year for my last upgrade. Kim HetzelYelm, WA.On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 8:17:25 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Wow, what a few days. I love my Clem so much that I have been really craving a Susie as a dedicated singletrack bike. I just love the gold color. Alas, none to be found anywhere and none on the horizon. But, I found a Gus in my size and I quite like the mermaid so I bought it. Now I am selling stuff all over the place to justify it. My seldom ridden but fun as heck fatbike is gone and my full suspension bike will be gone soon as well. Never a dull moment and then - the frames appear on the Crust site. What the actual hell?! But its all good, no going back. Excited to get this Gus on the trail this spring. I may have a lot of questions drivetrain related. And brakes. As someone else said, Christmas came early for me.



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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Jason Zakaras]

Hi Masa!  Yes lots of fun and fun yet to be had!  Here is a link to the two 
bikes:

 https://flickr.com/photos/197124752@N07/shares/C33fDW3gf1

(still learning how to upload photos here, or use my iPhone to add to 
conversations)

My QB is set up 48-18 free/fixed with a Paul flip flop hub and a SP7 
polished front hub laced to polished velocity rims and 700cx42 Cava/Rose 
ultradynamico rubber. The crank is Rene Herse SS 171mm crank arm, Paul T 
Seatpost, and matching brooks honey saddle with the bar tap.  Bars are 600 
Towel Rack that are absolutely lovely.  The brakes are Paul Cantis using 
the cx method of mixing the neos with the touring Cantis. funky monkey on 
the front for some added braking bling power.  I love this bike its been 
used for 150 mile races to causal family riding.  I could see myself 
touring with it, but like having it clean and rack free to maintain a light 
and fast quick, quickbeam

The Hunq is what I call my Disc-o-pHunqapillar, it is a MUSA Waterford Hunq 
that has been updated by Waltworks to have disc brakes added, which I think 
is a great feature for a heavy touring bike, certainly not critical, but I 
like it, especially when I have my twins linked to the back in their burley 
trailer.  It is currently under construction:
Painting currently pending at D to be the grey/kidneybean/lined lugs 
which I think really shines as a classic riv look and fun to have an OG 
painting the OG hunq once more
Bars will be 630 silver towel racks with grey newbaums and maroon Oury 
grips, black and silver drilled TRP levers
black cable housing with brass ferrels and brass barrel adjusters
rear brake will be the DISC-o part of the pHunq.  I'll have a polished Paul 
Klamper short pull here, the front will be polished silver Paul Neo-canti 
brakes (going to keep it Canti up front) I think this will give me ultimate 
stopping power and a cool/funky (phunqE) look to this bike
combo brass/silver headset spacers / polished funky monkey front
1x White industries crank 38t black chainring, silver crank, 12 Spd rear 
cassette
black hubs front/rear with shutter precision dyno laced to velocity 
cliffhanger with 700c Ultradynamico MARZ rubber
I have marks hub area rack for panniers and a mini Nitto campee with a sine 
wave beacon lamp ready for bags and packing not sure if I'll swap out for a 
silver or black pass and stow 5 rail rack instead?  Not sure for the rear 
rack at the moment thoughts?
Nitto Jaguar Seatpost, Black/copper Ti brooks Seatpost to finish it off.
I'll probably start a build thread once I get the Frame/fork back from 
Rick.  Stoked for sure!

Cheers,

Jason

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 5:37:58 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:

> Hi Jason, I haven't ridden neither of them but sounds like if you have 
> them you can not only ride everywhere but also have fun everywhere as much 
> as possible as you said. I would like to see photos of the bikes if 
> possible!
>
> Masa
>
> 2022年12月10日土曜日 1:38:46 UTC+9 jasonz...@gmail.com:
>
>> For me, I have a Quickbeam and a Hunqapillar, the riding I do varies from 
>> fast road riding to rough gravel riding to dirt mtb single track trails.  I 
>> think these two bikes are on opposite ends of the spectrum with wide ranges 
>> so I can do most everything I enjoy on a bike!
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:02:49 PM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>>
>>> Hi JP, I can't take out my eyes off not only your bikes but records too!
>>> I think we have more than one thing in common:)
>>>
>>> Masa
>>>
>>> 2022年12月9日金曜日 3:33:08 UTC+9 MoVelo:
>>>
 [image: Rambo1.jpg]Late to the party but these two have kept me happy.

 [image: Lego1.jpg]

 @Max B; I was really struck with how close your Leoglas is to mine. I 
 usually run Chris King hubs laced to Pacneti rims with RH 700x38s, but am 
 trying some slightly wider rubber here. 

 Cheers and Happy Holiday!

 JP

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:05:10 PM UTC-6 J wrote:

> John- thanks for that GaiaGPS link. It's the first time I've seen it 
> after hearing about it for years, it's a really nice set up. I really 
> like 
> how if you are just scrolling though photos it is simultaneously moving 
> your point on the route as well in the background. Looks like a lovely 
> ride. 
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:00:39 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Hey Masa-san,
>>
>> You are lucky, indeed! Blue Lug is such a great shop; there are so 
>> many beautiful bikes and fine parts to enjoy. 
>>
>> I rode to Shikoku on the Shimanami-kaido from Onomichi. This is a 
>> spectacular way to go there. You must try it sometime. Here are GaiaGPS 
>> tracks and photos 
>>  if you are 
>> interested.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 5:18:42 AM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
>>
>>> John, it was actually you and 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini Clearance and Brake Reach

[Michael Doleman]

Despite the huge price, I am considering getting some Paul Racers for my 
partner's Roadini. While the GC700 pair has been serving well enough, she 
does report that controlling speed on steeper descents requires a bit of 
concerted effort. Not so bad that it actually "needs" fixing, but for 
longer term it's worth thinking about. I don't know if the Racers would 
definitely perform all that much better, but in looking at the design I 
think they very well might -- I'm guessing there would be less flex with 
the way the arms are designed. At almost 400 bucks for a set of the 
polished finish, though -- wow, that's a serious commitment. I guess that's 
what you pay for quality MUSA parts.

Part of the reason I'm using the GC700, though, is to be able to mount one 
of the small Ene Ciclo front racks which is specifically designed around 
the bolts of the GC610 & 700. I'd have to come-up with a different rack & 
mounting configuration (I think) if we decide to go with the Racers. I 
guess there's always p-clips :-/  Which leads to another point about the 
Roadini -- weird (to me) that Rivdendell touts the utility of racks on any 
given bike, but then fails to include fork mounts on the Roadini. I mean, 
not a huge-huge issue, but it would sure have been nice. For the little 
mini Berthoud bag my partner uses on the Roadini, I think I could likely 
get away with just hanging it from a decaleur (somehow), so perhaps that's 
the way to go.

Tire/fender-wise, right now we have Rene Herse 35mm tires and 
SimWorks/Honjo smooth/51mm fenders. That works reasonably well, with some 
minor fit-up headaches. I don't know that a 38 would fit comfortably with 
those fenders very well, and I think they are likely about the same as the 
VO 50mm. I think they'd rub somewhere unless kept in perfect alignment at 
all times. On my Hillborne, I like to run 38mm tires and I have the 
SimWork/Honjo smooth/62mm fenders. They fit with lots of room to spare, for 
the tire, but I did have to dimple them for clearance at the fork blades 
and chain stays. I suspect the same would be true of the Roadini.

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 8:19:56 AM UTC-8 Will M wrote:

> Michael: Thanks for starting this thread -- very helpful.  
>
> A related question: for the current crop of new Roadini's, is anyone 
> running the Paul Racers (not the "M") and what max fender are you using on 
> the Roadini with the Racer?   (Would like to run a 50mm VO snakeskin with 
> RH 38mm tires.)
>
> Thanks,
> Will M
> NYC
>
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 12:18:56 PM UTC-4 Michael Doleman wrote:
>
>> My plan is to use the GC700 front and rear, for the sake of consistent 
>> look and convenience (the 610 has threaded pad mounting, while the 700 has 
>> unthreaded posts). Also I'd just prefer to keep sets together.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 9:11 AM Patch T  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Michael - I was eagerly waiting for these results. Are you 
>>> running GC700 front and rear, or keeping the 610 up front?
>>>
>>> Patch in NYC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-4 Michael Doleman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In a previous conversation I promised to post my findings on actual 
 brake reach needs for the new Roadini frames. Specifically, I had been 
 speculating that the Dia-Compe/Gran-Compe model GC610 center-pull could 
 work, despite having only 61 of the specified-as-required 63 millimeters 
 of 
 reach.

 My partner just received her new 50cm model, and I've conducted some 
 initial studies. Findings are interesting, the main one being that there 
 seems to be a rather huge difference between reach needed for the frame 
 versus the fork. For the fork, the GC610 very easily works, with plenty to 
 spare.

 On the frame itself, it's a different matter. The brake shoe is very 
 close to contacting the (35mm) tire.

 Some might argue that it could work, but don't include me in that set 
 -- too close for comfort. 

 So I'll be installing the GC700 model which gives another 9mm of reach 
 and is a very nice brake as well.

 Side note: the fit of the rear wheel axle into the dropout was really 
 tight. At first I didn't have the wheel set into it properly and it 
 appeared that the reach was even greater. Make sure you get the wheel 
 properly seated into the dropout -- with the paint, it's quite tight.

 I tried to add photos to this message but was told the post was too 
 long with them.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Will Boericke]

Check out WhatBars  to compare profiles for many of
the offerings out there.  As I recall, the Portola is a similar profile to
the Ritcheys I like, except I needed 31.8 instead of 26.

Will

On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM Pancake  wrote:

> Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
> 56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
> Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.
>
> That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider, more
> flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though like
> another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside down
> and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position).
> I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m
> also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it.
>
> Description from soma:
> This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a 26.0mm
> center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for adventure
> touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. Grips have a
> slight flare. Width at lever mounting area: 41cm (53cm size), 45.5cm (56cm
> size) approx.  - Polished 6061 T6 aluminum - 53 and 56cm widths (measured
> center to center at bar ends) - 26.0mm center
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone!
>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to
>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>
>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare
>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted
>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>
>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is
>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too
>> technical or serious.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
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[RBW] Re: New Gus!

[Kim Hetzel]

Congratulations Richard !  ... I am very happy for you. I can feel your 
elation and your happy dancing. I am glad that you are selling off your 
bikes and other goods to support your purchase. 

Looking forward to seeing your posts your progress questions and upgrades 
as you move forward with your new GUS frame set with pictures of course. 

Personally, I remain content with my Clem Smith Jr. "L" as my ATB and 
retirement bike.  Honjo Smooth 74 fenders are next on the horizon next year 
for my last upgrade. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.


On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 8:17:25 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow, what a few days. I love my Clem so much that I have been really 
> craving a Susie as a dedicated singletrack bike. I just love the gold 
> color. Alas, none to be found anywhere and none on the horizon. But, I 
> found a Gus in my size and I quite like the mermaid so I bought it. Now I 
> am selling stuff all over the place to justify it. My seldom ridden but fun 
> as heck fatbike is gone and my full suspension bike will be gone soon as 
> well. Never a dull moment and then - the frames appear on the Crust site. 
> What the actual hell?! But its all good, no going back. Excited to get this 
> Gus on the trail this spring. I may have a lot of questions drivetrain 
> related. And brakes. As someone else said, Christmas came early for me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini Clearance and Brake Reach

[Will M]

Michael: Thanks for starting this thread -- very helpful.  

A related question: for the current crop of new Roadini's, is anyone 
running the Paul Racers (not the "M") and what max fender are you using on 
the Roadini with the Racer?   (Would like to run a 50mm VO snakeskin with 
RH 38mm tires.)

Thanks,
Will M
NYC


On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 12:18:56 PM UTC-4 Michael Doleman wrote:

> My plan is to use the GC700 front and rear, for the sake of consistent 
> look and convenience (the 610 has threaded pad mounting, while the 700 has 
> unthreaded posts). Also I'd just prefer to keep sets together.
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 9:11 AM Patch T  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Michael - I was eagerly waiting for these results. Are you running 
>> GC700 front and rear, or keeping the 610 up front?
>>
>> Patch in NYC
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-4 Michael Doleman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In a previous conversation I promised to post my findings on actual 
>>> brake reach needs for the new Roadini frames. Specifically, I had been 
>>> speculating that the Dia-Compe/Gran-Compe model GC610 center-pull could 
>>> work, despite having only 61 of the specified-as-required 63 millimeters of 
>>> reach.
>>>
>>> My partner just received her new 50cm model, and I've conducted some 
>>> initial studies. Findings are interesting, the main one being that there 
>>> seems to be a rather huge difference between reach needed for the frame 
>>> versus the fork. For the fork, the GC610 very easily works, with plenty to 
>>> spare.
>>>
>>> On the frame itself, it's a different matter. The brake shoe is very 
>>> close to contacting the (35mm) tire.
>>>
>>> Some might argue that it could work, but don't include me in that set -- 
>>> too close for comfort. 
>>>
>>> So I'll be installing the GC700 model which gives another 9mm of reach 
>>> and is a very nice brake as well.
>>>
>>> Side note: the fit of the rear wheel axle into the dropout was really 
>>> tight. At first I didn't have the wheel set into it properly and it 
>>> appeared that the reach was even greater. Make sure you get the wheel 
>>> properly seated into the dropout -- with the paint, it's quite tight.
>>>
>>> I tried to add photos to this message but was told the post was too long 
>>> with them.
>>>
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[RBW] New Gus!

[Richard Rose]

Wow, what a few days. I love my Clem so much that I have been really 
craving a Susie as a dedicated singletrack bike. I just love the gold 
color. Alas, none to be found anywhere and none on the horizon. But, I 
found a Gus in my size and I quite like the mermaid so I bought it. Now I 
am selling stuff all over the place to justify it. My seldom ridden but fun 
as heck fatbike is gone and my full suspension bike will be gone soon as 
well. Never a dull moment and then - the frames appear on the Crust site. 
What the actual hell?! But its all good, no going back. Excited to get this 
Gus on the trail this spring. I may have a lot of questions drivetrain 
related. And brakes. As someone else said, Christmas came early for me.

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Pancake]

Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.

That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider, more 
flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though like 
another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside down 
and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position). 
I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m 
also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it. 

Description from soma:
This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a 26.0mm 
center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for adventure 
touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. Grips have a 
slight flare. Width at lever mounting area: 41cm (53cm size), 45.5cm (56cm 
size) approx.  - Polished 6061 T6 aluminum - 53 and 56cm widths (measured 
center to center at bar ends) - 26.0mm center 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
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Re: [RBW] Gus & Susie frames available at Crust

[Eric Marth]

Scott — Sweeet! That must have been very fun, I'm glad you nabbed a frame 
:) 

Joe's right, you gotta try clicking the sizes and colors, it's weird and 
glitchy. 

As of this posting they have: 

Small Gus: One orange, one mermaid
Medium Gus: None
Large Gus: None
XL Gus: One mermaid 

Small Susie: One lime-olive, one gold
Medium Susie: One gold
Large Susie: None
XL Susie: One lime-olive, one gold 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:17:01 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I see some Susies left, that site is hard to use, you gotta plink around 
> in all the boxes for a while. 
>
> I rally want that Small Mermaid Gus but rally can't justify the 
> dollars right now. Ack! 
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 4:46:15 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wait.., what? How? Susie’s are gone.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2022, at 6:27 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> If anyone missed out Crust just stocked Gus & Susie frames. They got 
>> just one frame in each size/color combo. 
>>
>> https://crustbikes.com/products/rivendell-gus-boots-susie-longbolts
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Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for the info, Jim. Now I wish I'd started a new thread rather than 
occasioning academic thread drift! 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:53:13 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Correct, my custom is a brightened up version of the grey/kidney bean 
> which was originally the custom paint on Mark @ Riv's cyclocrosser before 
> it landed on Hunqapillar. Interestingly (to me!) the dove grey I ended up 
> with was the same color (without red) on his FIRST cyclocrosser. I used to 
> be able to find pics of his bikes on the webs but they've disappeared now. 
> [image: 
> Screenshot_20221209_184831.jpg]
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:37:10 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:
>
>> Eric, here's a rundown — it's not a quick one but it is thorough and 
>> interesting :)  Joe, your asterisked point is apropos. The Toyo Atlantis 
>> I've been riding lately does not feel like it is lacking stoutness at all.
>>
>> So I looked up the actual Hunqapillar copy from April 28, 2011 that was 
>> on Riv's site. It's slightly different from the info in the Hunqapillar 
>> brochure! As with everything Rivendell, specs and info are subject to 
>> change without warning — and they did. I attached the copy here as a PDF, 
>> but the first few grafs from *April 28, 2011* are telling. This is when 
>> the Hunq frame, fork, and headset cost $1,500.
>>
>>- *It's a stout touring-trail bike, somewhere between an Atlantis and 
>>a Bombadil. It has Bomba-stout tubing --- about 0.1mm thicker in the main 
>>tubes than the Atlantis tubing*.  But like the Atlantis, the 
>>Hunqapillar has either 26-inch or 700c wheels, depending on the frame 
>> size 
>>(48cm-51/26; 54-58-62/700C). Geometry here 
>>
>> 
>>.
>>- Again Bombadil-like, it has an expanded frame, meaning the listed 
>>size truly is the length of the seat tube, and then from that point the 
>> top 
>>tube slopes up six degrees. This increases the standover height (compared 
>>to a top tube that's level or slopes up less), and that's why you ride 
>>about 3 to 6cm smaller than you would, say, a Surly or Masi. And as long 
>> as 
>>you buy down a few centimeters, you'll have the standover clearance you 
>>like. 
>>- 
>> *The Hunqapillar frame is an interesting mix of materials and 
>>co-conspirators. It's made in Taiwan by a team of builders trained by 
>> Tetsu 
>>Ishigaki, of Toyo. The main tubes are the most expensive steel tubing we 
>>could find anywhere --- Japanese Kaisei 8630 heat-treated. The seat and 
>>chainstays are excellent Taiwan CrMo. The fork is made in Japan by Tetsu 
>>Ishigaki at Toyo. *
>>- *Note: *58 + 62cm Hunqapillars have been built with *both 26.8 and 
>>27.2 inner seat tube dimensions*. If you are buying a frame-only from 
>>us, check with us before buying/using a seat-post from someone else, and 
>>we'll let you know which one works for your frame. 
>>
>> It was pitched as a "budgetated" version of the Bombadil (see below), for 
>> loaded touring on any surface, and for riding with any kind of handlebar. 
>> This info above was from when the Hunq was being produced in Taiwan. It 
>> wasn't long thereafter that Hunq production moved to Waterford and its 
>> standard colors changed from dark grey and kidney bean (*which inspired 
>> your beautiful bike, right Joe?*) to the green and cream Hunq that I 
>> have ("Jay's green"). For reasons I won't get into right now, I was 
>> watching this movement happen in real time because I had one of the grey 
>> Taiwan models before I got the green Waterford model. This switch from 
>> Taiwan to Waterford happened late 2011 to early 2012. The price went up 
>> $375, too. 
>>
>> *Now the following is from October 6, 2012.* At this point it was listed 
>> as being made both in Taiwan and Wisconsin, but the price was $1,875. It no 
>> longer mentioned tube thickness.
>>
>>- *Hunqapillar*
>>- *New color! Green with cream details/decals. *More, better, photos 
>>on the Hunqaflikr 
>>
>> 
>>.
>>- *History. Concept. Etc.*
>>- Our most extravagant, screw-the-expense bike is the off-roady 
>>Bombadil, and *the Hunqapillar is a budgetated version of that 
>>bike—only slightly short-cutted to make it a lot more affordable and 
>> barely 
>>less heavy duty than it’s much more expensive big brother. But still—the 
>>Hunqapillar is extremely labor-intensive bike by any standards, you pay 
>>more for it than you will for a welded bike. (Not a jab at welded bikes, 
>>just a fact.)*
>>- Like all of our bikes, the Hunqapillar is hand-made of fine, lugged 
>>steel, and uses our own quite expensive and fine investment-cast fittings.
>>
>>
>>- The Hunqapillar is a touring 

[RBW] VeloCals bicycle decals - Shutting down retail operations

[Kim Hetzel]

VeloCals is shutting down retail operations as of December 31st @ 11:59 pm 
CST

https://velocals.com/

another one bits the dust.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Garth]

I used to own the RM-013 long ago but then changed to the 56cm Albatross on 
my 62cm/62cm seat/top tube custom Franklin road bike. The 013 was "okay", 
but not great enough that I kept it. I'm changing back to a drop bar and 
used the bikepacking list as a useful starting point. Mostly I wanted a 
shallow-er drop and short-er reach drop bar because I'm using some modern 
Tektro RL-341 levers, the small hand version(same body, shorter, closer-in 
levers). Compared to how road levers used to be, those Tektro small hand 
versions have about the same length and reach to the lever as vintage 
Campy, and when mounted they are on about the same plane as the bottom of 
the drops. Of course, the lever bodies are so much longer now, hence, I 
don't need so much reach in the bar. 

I really wasn't keen on anything until I dove into the Zipp Service Course 
70 XPLR. It's a rough texture silver, kinda odd, but yeah so what since 
it's getting taped and I'll take function over fashion every time. I bought 
the 46cm, which is 52cm at the ends. With it's modest flare and outsweep 
riding the hoods feel like a regular drop bar. The top has a slight 
backwseep also, which is really quite nice to feel as I never liked 
straight tops since the wrists don't conform to straight. The top is oval 
also, very nice in hand ! It's a 31.8 clamp, which seems to clamp more 
efficiently , and I only use open face zero or positive rise stems anyway. 
Yea to threadless quill adapters for the adaptability. I love most of the 
"vintage" design of many things except when it comes to stems with negative 
rise and enclosed clamps. I mean they look wonderful but they don't apply 
practically for my sensibilities. 

>From the bikepacking article of the SC 70 XPLR :

*There are two metrics that set these bars apart from others in this list: 
outsweep and flare. Something that often bothers me about more dramatically 
flared bars is that the brake hoods sit at an awkward angle. It’s not 
always a problem as different bars are angled and tweaked differently, but 
sometimes the bend at the point of flare exaggerates the angle of the 
levers, making grabbing them from the drops a little awkward. At any rate, 
Zipp’s goal was to develop a bar with a hoods-dominant position at the 
forefront, in turn, solving some of these issues. I ride in the hoods much 
of the time, or with my hands resting on the bar curve just behind the 
hoods, so this piqued my interest. To accomplish this—and maintain control 
in the drops—Zipp landed on 5° flare and 11° outsweep.*

*The bar’s drop shape features 70mm reach, but the drop is a shallower 
115mm. The service Course also features an ergonomic top with 3° backsweep, 
100mm clamping area on top of bar, Di2 bar end junction compatible.*



On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:15:28 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:

> I only ride flared drops. The flare in flared drops are mostly for wrist 
> clearance out of the saddle or in technical body-English situations. I feel 
> the width changes from the hoods to the hooks to the ends are also 
> beneficial for different modes during a ride: aero cruising, control on 
> technical trails or descents, and leverage for honking up a loose hill. 
>
> I’ve settled on Nitto RM-3s from Blue Lug or Somafab. It’s my favorite. 
> The 25.4 is often out of stock, but is my favorite bar. I have them on 
> three bikes; my Fitz Supermoto, Quickbeam fixed gear, and Bontrager road 
> bike. The angled hoods are very comfortable to me, and the drops give great 
> control. I set flared bars up high, so the hooks are the main position, but 
> I use the hoods and tops, too.
>
> The On-One Midge bar is similar to the RM-3; I like it almost as much.
> The RM-013 someone else mentioned is also a good bar. Deeper, more reach, 
> and less flare. 
> On the other end of the spectrum is the Woodchipper, which is short, 
> shallow, and flared. The hooks aren’t angled much, but the tops are wide. 
>
> You can see the RM-3s on my Quickbeam here on Instagram: 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/ClKbS02PGoN/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone!
>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>
>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>
>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>> technical or serious.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Masa]

Hi Jason, I haven't ridden neither of them but sounds like if you have them 
you can not only ride everywhere but also have fun everywhere as much as 
possible as you said. I would like to see photos of the bikes if possible!

Masa

2022年12月10日土曜日 1:38:46 UTC+9 jasonz...@gmail.com:

> For me, I have a Quickbeam and a Hunqapillar, the riding I do varies from 
> fast road riding to rough gravel riding to dirt mtb single track trails.  I 
> think these two bikes are on opposite ends of the spectrum with wide ranges 
> so I can do most everything I enjoy on a bike!
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:02:49 PM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>
>> Hi JP, I can't take out my eyes off not only your bikes but records too!
>> I think we have more than one thing in common:)
>>
>> Masa
>>
>> 2022年12月9日金曜日 3:33:08 UTC+9 MoVelo:
>>
>>> [image: Rambo1.jpg]Late to the party but these two have kept me happy.
>>>
>>> [image: Lego1.jpg]
>>>
>>> @Max B; I was really struck with how close your Leoglas is to mine. I 
>>> usually run Chris King hubs laced to Pacneti rims with RH 700x38s, but am 
>>> trying some slightly wider rubber here. 
>>>
>>> Cheers and Happy Holiday!
>>>
>>> JP
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:05:10 PM UTC-6 J wrote:
>>>
 John- thanks for that GaiaGPS link. It's the first time I've seen it 
 after hearing about it for years, it's a really nice set up. I really like 
 how if you are just scrolling though photos it is simultaneously moving 
 your point on the route as well in the background. Looks like a lovely 
 ride. 

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:00:39 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Hey Masa-san,
>
> You are lucky, indeed! Blue Lug is such a great shop; there are so 
> many beautiful bikes and fine parts to enjoy. 
>
> I rode to Shikoku on the Shimanami-kaido from Onomichi. This is a 
> spectacular way to go there. You must try it sometime. Here are GaiaGPS 
> tracks and photos 
>  if you are 
> interested.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 5:18:42 AM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
>
>> John, it was actually you and your Hunq on the blog post! I have been 
>> to Shikoku for a holiday by the public transportations but it must be 
>> amazing to ride there. I'm glad that you could see many beautiful places 
>> here in Japan.
>>
>> Luckily Blue Lug is my local bike shop so it didn't take long for me 
>> to be a Riv fan!
>>
>> Masa
>>
>> 2022年12月8日木曜日 3:28:02 UTC+9 John Rinker:
>>
>>> Yes, Masa, I lived in Yokohama for a couple of years and had the 
>>> very good fortune to ride in many beautiful places in Japan. Yakushima 
>>> and 
>>> Shikoku were my favorites! And, you are not mistaken, Chuyan at Blue 
>>> Lug 
>>> Hatagaya took some photos of my bike one day, so he must have posted 
>>> them 
>>> on the blog. Great bike shop with friendly, helpful staff. Another 
>>> favorite 
>>> of mine. 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 5:10:29 AM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
>>>
 It's really interesting to read how people are enjoying/planning to 
 ride 2 Rivendells! 
 It seems like most of you have 2 different type Rivs for different 
 occasions as I was vaguely imaging for my future as well.

 As Keith pointed out the tricky point is that if you get second 
 bike for a different purpose which you barely have chances to go, you 
 will 
 end up to ride just one but not both of them. 
 That made me think that I should get the second Riv if I "need" it 
 while I got my first one mostly because I did "want" it.
 (Well it's really hard to separate these feelings though)
 Anyway I am going to ride my Platypus as much as possible for now 
 and will see if I need another one:)

 Otherwise actually it's a really simple thing. Having 2 bikes you 
 really love and "ride all the time and alternate daily" as John said.
 John, if I'm not mistaken I have seen your Hunq on Blue Lug's blog 
 before. You have lived in Japan? The Hunq and the Atlantis are both so 
 beautiful!

 Masa 
 2022年12月7日水曜日 17:55:05 UTC+9 Luke Hendrickson:

> John,
>
> What a two bike collection you have! Since I have the Riv I’ve 
> always wanted (Atlantis), now I’m yearning for a Hunq. Such a lovely, 
> lugged beaut. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:34:11 PM UTC-8 John Rinker 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Masa, 
>>
>> I'm stoked to own two Rivs- a Waterford Hunqapillar and a Toyo 
>> Atlantis. 
>>
>> The Hunq was my first bike from Rivendell which I bought new in