Re: [RBW] New Gus shipping from Canada

[Ian A]

Hmmm. Tax and death, both unavoidable it seems!

My Rawland(s) do make an appearance in town on rare occasion. The 650b 
version does long distance and the 26r conversion doesn't get out much. 
Look for a scrappy orange Rocky Mountain mtb set up single speed with 
scrappy fenders for in town duty! 

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:46:11 PM UTC-7 Andrew S wrote:

> Ian, I could be wrong and would be happy to be corrected, but I think that 
> C&L receives their Riv frames 'drop-shipped' direct from Taiwan. I vaguely 
> recall discussing this in a conversation with Julian or Simon. Thus they 
> sometimes receive their frames at essentially the same time as Riv HQ does 
> (my eagerly anticipated silver Sam is already on its way out to Alberta!). 
> So they probably have to put Taiwan as the country of origin on the 
> paperwork when subsequently shipping to the U.S., I presume. 
>
> Still hoping to see your Rawland somewhere around town someday!
>
> AndrewS, also in Alberta Canada
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 1:38 PM Ian A  wrote:
>
>> I think you'll find it's less roulette and more based on the stated 
>> country of origin. It the paperwork shows "Taiwan" as the Country of 
>> Origin" the frame will likely attract duty. If it shows a NAFTA country of 
>> origin (USA, Canada or Mexico) it should be duty exempt. If it shows "US 
>> Goods Returning" on the paperwork it will certainly be zero duty going into 
>> the US.
>>
>> Considering the Gus was from Taiwan, but imported into the USA and then 
>> exported to Canada it would technically (arguably?) be US Goods Returning 
>> to the USA. I think a strong case could be made for that and under country 
>> of origin on the customs form for US Goods Returning. Unless it gets 
>> inspected and the Border Agency disagree for some reason.
>>
>> It all comes down to the information the Customs Broker has to work with. 
>> If C&L are stating Taiwan or USA or US Goods Returning... Might be worth a 
>> phone call. I can say C&L are very customer focused and responsive.
>>
>> IanA (who spent a few years in the freight industry and who doesn't miss 
>> the paperwork!) Alberta Canada
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:16:23 AM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> In my experience of shipping bikes and parts, it's generally a ~$50 flat 
>>> fee for brokerage clerical charges no matter what and Russian roulette on 
>>> import tax fees. Coming from us to Canada there are various import rules of 
>>> taxation on new vs used related bikez: us parts, us manufacturers, frame, 
>>> frame+wheels. And however customs decides to tax. I've gotten a new Marino 
>>> frame with no costs. I've paid $125 for a used frame and fork and been hit 
>>> with $70 tax. They make it really really frustrating and annoying. Haha. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Whoa! That’s a lot different than Jacob’s experience.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 15, 2022, at 2:20 PM, Ronald Halili  wrote:

 I too ordered my Gus from C&L Cycles at the end of the day of 
 Thursday, 9/22/22 and it was delivered on Wednesday, 9/28/22 to NYC. From 
 Canada it was shipped via Purolator and then transferred to UPS for final 
 delivery. I received an email from UPS on Tuesday afternoon regarding 
 import fees stating that I could either pay online or have check ready for 
 the delivery driver. I chose the latter and wrote a check to UPS for the 
 amount of $243.92 USD. As for the original question regarding clearance 
 fee, I do not know how it was calculated other than the split of brokerage 
 fee and import tax fee that was stated in the UPS email. Here is the 
 breakdown of my purchase:


 Frame/Fork/Headset/54cm Orange

 (C$2600.00 + C$199.19 Shipping)

 = $2095.83 USD

 + $191.42 USD Import Tax

 + $52.50 USD Brokerage Fee

 = $2339.75 USD

 On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-5 jacob...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I bought my Gus from C&L Cycles out of Montreal. They shipped it to me 
> (Pennsylvania) via UPS. I think it took 3 days? UPS sent me the bill for 
> import fees and I think it was around $50. Dead simple process. 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jacob
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> Yes, the Gus I found is at a Riv dealer in Canada. Having googled 
> until I cannot stand it anymore I ask; anyone have experience with 
> "clearance" fees associated with importing a bicycle frame from Canada? 
> The 
> closest I have come to uncovering the cost is that items valued under 
> $2,500.00 US are less expensive and easier to do than items over 
> $2,500.00. 
> I started a Bikeflights estimate and I get the shipping cost and a 
> message 
> that clearance fees will be calculate

Re: [RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Luke Hendrickson]

Matthew – sick!

Nicholas – you bet!

Ahmed – it’d be great to have you. 

I’ll be posting a route, etc., in the next couple of days that’ll include a 
few chill hills and at least one coffee shop plus spots along the way for 
food. I’ve never planned a ride of this sort before so bear with me 😊

I’m also leaning towards a NYE ride that’ll have us meeting up at 10:30 at 
a coffee shop and rolling out at 11 for a couple hours or so. Nothing too 
intense or crazy here.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:36:30 AM UTC-8 aelga...@castilleja.org 
wrote:

> I’m in San Mateo but would be interested in joining in. :)
>
> Ahmed
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 11:21 AM nicholas price  
> wrote:
>
>> I’m also in Nob Hill. Will be out of town for new years but would be 
>> happy to meet up for a later ride. 
>>
>> Nicholas. 
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2022, at 07:51, Brendan Willard in SF  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm in Nob Hill, SF.  I'll be in Hawaii until the 10th, but count me in 
>> for future rides anywhere in the Bay Area.
>>
>> Brendan
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:27:01 AM UTC-8 Slin wrote:
>>
>>> Luke  - I won't be in town for the 31/1st, but I'll join in on later 
>>> dates for sure!
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:17:05 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Eric – it’d be fun to ch3ck out your neck of the woods. 

 Jay – into it. Also suuuper game for Marin-based rides, too. I love it 
 up there. Just did Bolinas Ridge on my Atlantis. 

 Zac – sick!

 It goes without saying that having a Riv or riding a Riv to hang out is 
 super not required.

 On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:41:58 PM UTC-8 zac.te...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> into it. 31st or 1st works for me if it gets nailed down. 
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:08:17 PM UTC-8 Jay P wrote:
>
>> I'd also appreciate the invitation for Bay Area rides and to meet 
>> some of yous
>>
>> Jay P
>>
>> Marin
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:16:48 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all! I know that it’s been a bit wet & cold, but I’d love to see 
>>> if anyone would want to have a little ride in the coming week(s). 
>>> Perhaps 
>>> even a New Year’s day ride to celebrate in the new year in style?
>>>
>>> I’m in the City proper and was thinking about some mixed terrain 
>>> around town while keeping it mostly road-ish so that no one’s limited 
>>> by 
>>> the ride route. Pastries + hot drinks + more snacks?
>>>
>>> I’d love to hear from anyone interested or even connect with other 
>>> like-minded people for more than just a one-off ride. 💕
>>>
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Re: [RBW] ISO: Missing Link wheel building book

[aeroperf]

Also this.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUqul03hbZ8

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Re: [RBW] Is there a 31.8 clamp drop bar comparable to a Nitto Noodle 54cm?

[Jason Fuller]

Scott,

Oh, I missed that you have ALL the faceplaters!  Nice!  I thought you had
one stem you were looking to use, and the randonneur bars tend to need a
shorter stem than other drop bars.  The RH bar is 115mm reach, vs the
M137's 78mm reach - 37mm difference! What is nice about the long reach of
the randonneur bars is that you have tons of real estate fore-aft to rest
your hands, hence their value as a long distance bar, but good plan to
start with the shortest stem.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 4:12 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Jason,
>
> Thanks for the Nitto M137 recommendation. I'll check it out. I've already
> ordered the Nitto made RH Randonneur. In the product description it wasn't
> noted as a long reach bar. Maybe you could check their site and let me know
> what you think of the bar description, please? It sounds like a good bar to
> have in the quiver.
>
> And exactly what do you mean it likely won't work with my stem, too much
> reach? I have Nitto FacePlaters in 60, 85, 110, and 135 and was thinking
> about starting with 60 as a starting point.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Scott
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 02:05:26 PM MST, Jason Fuller <
> jtf.ful...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Late to the party, but I wholeheartedly suggest the Nitto M137 'dirt drop'
> bar.  I have the 54cm, which measures 54 at the ends but about 49-50cm at
> the hoods. Not super long reach like a randonneur bar (which won't fit
> right if you try to re-use your stem, most likely), but still has pretty
> classic looks with just a bit of modern flare (literally, and
> figuratively).  Got mine from Blue Lug.
>
> On Thursday, 15 December 2022 at 11:22:11 UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I have to retract my overly confident assertion: "best" for bars and
> saddles can only mean "best for me." But here is what I like about the Maes
> Parallel, after using scores of other road and "dirt" drop  bars.
>
> The long flat ramps. I like my bars set up with ramps and ends of hooks
> parallel to the ground, and the MP seems perfectly designed for this,
> allowing you to mount your levers high enough without eliminating the flat
> ramp ahead of the hoods.
>
> Positions: Instead of 4 positions: hooks, hoods, ramps behind hoods,
> flats, I get 5: hooks, hoods, ramps behind hoods, ramps a bit further back,
> flats.
>
> The flat hooks. My left palm hurts when I rest it for more than 10 minutes
> on a slanted hook. The other day I was in the hooks of the MP bar for a
> good 5 miles non-stop, total 7 miles with a bit of a break; again, very
> sensitive left palm. True, I did shift the left palm around every half mile
> or mile, but I was in the drop position as described. Can't do that with
> drop bar slanted downward.
>
> The moderate drop. I like an aero hoods position, but enough difference
> when moving from hoods to hooks so that there is material advantage against
> a headwind; but I dislike deep drops which at almost 68 I find too low --
> reason I swapped out the 140 mm drop Nitto 165 and Giro d'Italia bars for
> the MPs (both have 90 mm ramps and 140 mm drop, IIRC). The MPs are
> wonderful for this: again, long reach, modest drop.
>
> Finally, the quality: the best of Nitto standards among all the levels of
> high Nitto quality standards.
>
> Oh, and even more finally: they have a prettier polish than say the Noodle
> or 165 or GdI.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 3:25 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Patrick:
>
> Please, clarify what you mean by "best road drop bar on the market at
> least for non-brifter brake levers."
>
> I have a set of Ultegra brifters I'm wanting to install on my newly
> purchased HR Randonneur bars, as you know are similar to the Maes Parrallel.
>
> Scott
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:10:08 AM MST, Patrick Moore <
> bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I use the Maes Parallel on 3 bikes and IMO it's the best road drop bar on
> the market at least for non-brifter brake levers: longish reach, long flat
> ramps, modest drop, flat hooks. It does come in 31.8.
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 9:34 AM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> Are you in same position I am, looking for a 31.8 drop?
>
> Did you see the RH Maes Parallel on the their site?
>
> Thoughts?!
>
> Has anyone else tried the RH Randonneur or Maes Parallel? Takes, please?
>
> Best,
>
> Scott
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 05:37:57 AM MST, Steven Sweedler <
> swee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Scott, yesterday on the Bob list I asked about comparisons of the Noodle
> and the RH Randonneur bar that comes in 31.8. The two responders liked both
> bars and had used them for years. Steve
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 10:07 PM 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hey, all:
>
> I'm wanting to try a 54cm Nitto Noodle drop, but I want to keep my 31.8
> Faceplater to facilitate cockpit chan

Re: [RBW] ISO: Missing Link wheel building book

[Kim Hetzel]

I found the book online for free here:

https://github.com/ontime/bike/blob/master/Roger-Musson---The-Professional-Guide-to-Wheelbuilding.pdf
just keep clicking on "SHOW MORE". 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 4:16:45 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> David,
>
> Grateful for the tip. I'll check it out.
>
> Scott
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 04:23:04 PM MST, David Person <
> cycli...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> I am unfamiliar with this publication and don't mean to hijack your post, 
> but when I took up wheel building two years ago I purchased a copy of Roger 
> Munson's "Professional Guide to Wheel Building" and it was the best $12 
> I've ever spent.  The book is so well written and laid out that it gave me 
> confidence that I could successfully build a set of wheels.  I've since 
> built 7 pairs.  The book is not only a great resource, I found it an 
> enjoyable read.  I've got copies of other books on wheel building, 
> including the classic "The Bicycle Wheel" by Jobst Brandt.  None 'spoke' to 
> me like the Munson book (yeah, pun intended).  I can't speak highly enough 
> about it.  I've go no financial ties to Roger or his book, I'm just not 
> sure I would have take the plunge into wheel building had I not read it.
>
> https://www.wheelpro.co.uk/wheelbuilding/book.php
>
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:58:02 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>
> Oooo. I'd sure like same!
>
> Scott
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 1:43 PM, Slin
>  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I was just chatting with Rich Lesnik and he recommended a wheel building 
> book/pamphlet from the Missing Link (sad hearing that shop is closing, btw).
>
> I was wondering if anyone had a copy I could buy or know if there are 
> scans of it somewhere.
>
> Thanks!
> Slin
>
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Re: [RBW] ISO: Missing Link wheel building book

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 David,
Grateful for the tip. I'll check it out.
Scott

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 04:23:04 PM MST, David Person 
 wrote:  
 
 I am unfamiliar with this publication and don't mean to hijack your post, but 
when I took up wheel building two years ago I purchased a copy of Roger 
Munson's "Professional Guide to Wheel Building" and it was the best $12 I've 
ever spent.  The book is so well written and laid out that it gave me 
confidence that I could successfully build a set of wheels.  I've since built 7 
pairs.  The book is not only a great resource, I found it an enjoyable read.  
I've got copies of other books on wheel building, including the classic "The 
Bicycle Wheel" by Jobst Brandt.  None 'spoke' to me like the Munson book (yeah, 
pun intended).  I can't speak highly enough about it.  I've go no financial 
ties to Roger or his book, I'm just not sure I would have take the plunge into 
wheel building had I not read it.
https://www.wheelpro.co.uk/wheelbuilding/book.php


On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:58:02 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

Oooo. I'd sure like same!
Scott

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 


  On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 1:43 PM, Slin wrote:  

Hi All,
I was just chatting with Rich Lesnik and he recommended a wheel building 
book/pamphlet from the Missing Link (sad hearing that shop is closing, btw).
I was wondering if anyone had a copy I could buy or know if there are scans of 
it somewhere.
Thanks!Slin




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Re: [RBW] Is there a 31.8 clamp drop bar comparable to a Nitto Noodle 54cm?

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Jason,
Thanks for the Nitto M137 recommendation. I'll check it out. I've already 
ordered the Nitto made RH Randonneur. In the product description it wasn't 
noted as a long reach bar. Maybe you could check their site and let me know 
what you think of the bar description, please? It sounds like a good bar to 
have in the quiver.

And exactly what do you mean it likely won't work with my stem, too much reach? 
I have Nitto FacePlaters in 60, 85, 110, and 135 and was thinking about 
starting with 60 as a starting point.
Cheers,
Scott

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 02:05:26 PM MST, Jason Fuller 
 wrote:  
 
 Late to the party, but I wholeheartedly suggest the Nitto M137 'dirt drop' 
bar.  I have the 54cm, which measures 54 at the ends but about 49-50cm at the 
hoods. Not super long reach like a randonneur bar (which won't fit right if you 
try to re-use your stem, most likely), but still has pretty classic looks with 
just a bit of modern flare (literally, and figuratively).  Got mine from Blue 
Lug. 

On Thursday, 15 December 2022 at 11:22:11 UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

I have to retract my overly confident assertion: "best" for bars and saddles 
can only mean "best for me." But here is what I like about the Maes Parallel, 
after using scores of other road and "dirt" drop  bars.
The long flat ramps. I like my bars set up with ramps and ends of hooks 
parallel to the ground, and the MP seems perfectly designed for this, allowing 
you to mount your levers high enough without eliminating the flat ramp ahead of 
the hoods. 
Positions: Instead of 4 positions: hooks, hoods, ramps behind hoods, flats, I 
get 5: hooks, hoods, ramps behind hoods, ramps a bit further back, flats.
The flat hooks. My left palm hurts when I rest it for more than 10 minutes on a 
slanted hook. The other day I was in the hooks of the MP bar for a good 5 miles 
non-stop, total 7 miles with a bit of a break; again, very sensitive left palm. 
True, I did shift the left palm around every half mile or mile, but I was in 
the drop position as described. Can't do that with drop bar slanted downward.

The moderate drop. I like an aero hoods position, but enough difference when 
moving from hoods to hooks so that there is material advantage against a 
headwind; but I dislike deep drops which at almost 68 I find too low -- reason 
I swapped out the 140 mm drop Nitto 165 and Giro d'Italia bars for the MPs 
(both have 90 mm ramps and 140 mm drop, IIRC). The MPs are wonderful for this: 
again, long reach, modest drop.
Finally, the quality: the best of Nitto standards among all the levels of high 
Nitto quality standards.
Oh, and even more finally: they have a prettier polish than say the Noodle or 
165 or GdI.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 3:25 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:

 Patrick:
Please, clarify what you mean by "best road drop bar on the market at least for 
non-brifter brake levers."
I have a set of Ultegra brifters I'm wanting to install on my newly purchased 
HR Randonneur bars, as you know are similar to the Maes Parrallel.
Scott

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:10:08 AM MST, Patrick Moore 
 wrote:  
 
 I use the Maes Parallel on 3 bikes and IMO it's the best road drop bar on the 
market at least for non-brifter brake levers: longish reach, long flat ramps, 
modest drop, flat hooks. It does come in 31.8.
On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 9:34 AM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:

 Steve,
Are you in same position I am, looking for a 31.8 drop?
Did you see the RH Maes Parallel on the their site?
Thoughts?!
Has anyone else tried the RH Randonneur or Maes Parallel? Takes, please?
Best,
Scott

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 05:37:57 AM MST, Steven Sweedler 
 wrote:  
 
 Scott, yesterday on the Bob list I asked about comparisons of the Noodle and 
the RH Randonneur bar that comes in 31.8. The two responders liked both bars 
and had used them for years. Steve
On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 10:07 PM 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:

Hey, all:
I'm wanting to try a 54cm Nitto Noodle drop, but I want to keep my 31.8 
Faceplater to facilitate cockpit changes.

Anyone know of a comparable bar or solution? Maybe I should just get a Noodle 
and stem for change outs...
Also, am I on the right track going with a Noodle (54cm cuz I'm tall)? I plan 
on using it as a cockpit option for my Atlantis build.

Happy Holidays,
Scott


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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[Joe Bernard]

Or someone here will find an old Blackburn in the garage that was on a 
mountain bike 20 years ago. There's gotta be a million of them out there! 

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:21:48 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ibera is lower price brand I see a lot. Without the branding I've seen 
> very similar racks as OE on new commuter bikes. 
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:08:34 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Thanks David and Joe,
>> I just remembered to ask ... any recommendations for cheap 26" wheel 
>> specific racks, rear mostly, but either I guess. 
>>
>> The 700c compatible racks I have around sit so far above the rear wheel 
>> that the seat basically goes all the way down on top of them :`(
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:53:31 AM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> I thought y'all might like to see how the Clemified Hard Rock came out. 
>>> I put Boscos instead of Albatross on because it seemed like it'd work 
>>> better. 
>>>
>>> [image: hard-rock-side-sm.jpg][image: hard-rock-front-sm.jpg]
>>>
>>> It's worth mentioning that the seat tube bottoms out with about 3 inches 
>>> of post still showing. The means that the minimum saddle height (as is) is 
>>> like 32" from the ground. So she won't be able to put her feet on the 
>>> ground while sitting on the seat anyway. I thought about cutting the seat 
>>> post down, and I still might. But if I cut off too much, she won't be able 
>>> to get the seat up to her PBH minus 11 saddle height from the bottom 
>>> bracket. So I figured I'd wait and let her ride it before I make any 
>>> destructive modifications.
>>>
>>> The stem has a similar problem. Between the minimum insertion mark and 
>>> where the stem bottoms out is like 1 inch (because the head tube is so 
>>> short). So I have it set up with a Technomic to get the bars high, but I 
>>> will take a stem with a shorter quill in case we need to get them much 
>>> lower. I'll also take the Albatross bars with me, in case the Boscos come 
>>> back way too far.
>>>
>>> But I rode it around to button everything up this morning, and it feels 
>>> GREAT! Now just to get it half way across the country and see how it works 
>>> for its intended rider.
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 5:03:26 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>
 What do y'all think about putting friction bar end shifters on 
 Albatross bars for a new rider?

 I'm just looking for opinions since I'm stumped on this build.

 My options are more-or-less indexed or friction 9 speed Microshift 
 thumbies, friction bar ends, or buy some rapid fire shifters.

 I (selfishly) want to keep the thumbies for a different build for 
 myself. And I'd have to buy a set of rapid fire shifters - which has its 
 own problems (derrailer/cassette mismatching ...).

 So I want to know - Do you think a new rider would be irritated by 
 friction bar ends?

 Here's the long story:

 I have a very short friend (4'11" - PBH is 72). If money and 
 availability were no object, I'd buy her a 45cm Clem and be done with it, 
 but I can't do that myself, and she'd never spend that kind of money on a 
 bike (at least not until she catches the biking bug from this bike I'm 
 building her since it'll be the first bike that's ever fit her).

 So my goal is to build a bike that fits her and is so fun to ride that 
 she'll want to ride bikes all the time and eventually just buy a Clem.

 I finally found a frame that will fit her. It's a tiny (41 cm) 90s 
 Hardrock step through with 26" wheels and Shimano 200ES drive train, which 
 is low end 90s 7-speed stuff. It has a triple crank that I will leave in 
 place (buttery smooth even after 30 years). Both derailers are in good 
 shape, but they're low end 90s stuff, so I doubt they feel great, but I 
 bet 
 they'd work with friction just fine. It came with junky old rapid fire 
 shifters, so those are definitely getting replaced.

 I'm planning to put Albatross bars on this bike, so my quandary is 
 about the drivetrain. I'd like to use as many parts from my bin as 
 possible, but I can't decide which combo is gonna work best and be the 
 most 
 fun for a timid rider. Buying new parts is no big deal, but I don't see 
 the 
 point in spending a bunch of money in the event she doesn't ride it much, 
 so here are the relevant parts from my bin:

- Rear wheel options - 7 speed cassette wheel with good cassette. 
8/9/10 speed wheel with no cassette.
- Shifters -Microshift 9 speed thumbies (I kinda want to keep these 
for another build). Shimano bar ends that no longer index.
- Derailers - New Altus 8 speed RD. Old Sora 9 speed RD. Shimano 
600ES 7 speed RD.

 So here are my options:


1. Keep the old 7 speed stuff. Friction bar ends or fric

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[Joe Bernard]

Ibera is lower price brand I see a lot. Without the branding I've seen very 
similar racks as OE on new commuter bikes. 

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:08:34 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Thanks David and Joe,
> I just remembered to ask ... any recommendations for cheap 26" wheel 
> specific racks, rear mostly, but either I guess. 
>
> The 700c compatible racks I have around sit so far above the rear wheel 
> that the seat basically goes all the way down on top of them :`(
>
> Paul
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:53:31 AM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> I thought y'all might like to see how the Clemified Hard Rock came out. I 
>> put Boscos instead of Albatross on because it seemed like it'd work better. 
>>
>> [image: hard-rock-side-sm.jpg][image: hard-rock-front-sm.jpg]
>>
>> It's worth mentioning that the seat tube bottoms out with about 3 inches 
>> of post still showing. The means that the minimum saddle height (as is) is 
>> like 32" from the ground. So she won't be able to put her feet on the 
>> ground while sitting on the seat anyway. I thought about cutting the seat 
>> post down, and I still might. But if I cut off too much, she won't be able 
>> to get the seat up to her PBH minus 11 saddle height from the bottom 
>> bracket. So I figured I'd wait and let her ride it before I make any 
>> destructive modifications.
>>
>> The stem has a similar problem. Between the minimum insertion mark and 
>> where the stem bottoms out is like 1 inch (because the head tube is so 
>> short). So I have it set up with a Technomic to get the bars high, but I 
>> will take a stem with a shorter quill in case we need to get them much 
>> lower. I'll also take the Albatross bars with me, in case the Boscos come 
>> back way too far.
>>
>> But I rode it around to button everything up this morning, and it feels 
>> GREAT! Now just to get it half way across the country and see how it works 
>> for its intended rider.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 5:03:26 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> What do y'all think about putting friction bar end shifters on Albatross 
>>> bars for a new rider?
>>>
>>> I'm just looking for opinions since I'm stumped on this build.
>>>
>>> My options are more-or-less indexed or friction 9 speed Microshift 
>>> thumbies, friction bar ends, or buy some rapid fire shifters.
>>>
>>> I (selfishly) want to keep the thumbies for a different build for 
>>> myself. And I'd have to buy a set of rapid fire shifters - which has its 
>>> own problems (derrailer/cassette mismatching ...).
>>>
>>> So I want to know - Do you think a new rider would be irritated by 
>>> friction bar ends?
>>>
>>> Here's the long story:
>>>
>>> I have a very short friend (4'11" - PBH is 72). If money and 
>>> availability were no object, I'd buy her a 45cm Clem and be done with it, 
>>> but I can't do that myself, and she'd never spend that kind of money on a 
>>> bike (at least not until she catches the biking bug from this bike I'm 
>>> building her since it'll be the first bike that's ever fit her).
>>>
>>> So my goal is to build a bike that fits her and is so fun to ride that 
>>> she'll want to ride bikes all the time and eventually just buy a Clem.
>>>
>>> I finally found a frame that will fit her. It's a tiny (41 cm) 90s 
>>> Hardrock step through with 26" wheels and Shimano 200ES drive train, which 
>>> is low end 90s 7-speed stuff. It has a triple crank that I will leave in 
>>> place (buttery smooth even after 30 years). Both derailers are in good 
>>> shape, but they're low end 90s stuff, so I doubt they feel great, but I bet 
>>> they'd work with friction just fine. It came with junky old rapid fire 
>>> shifters, so those are definitely getting replaced.
>>>
>>> I'm planning to put Albatross bars on this bike, so my quandary is about 
>>> the drivetrain. I'd like to use as many parts from my bin as possible, but 
>>> I can't decide which combo is gonna work best and be the most fun for a 
>>> timid rider. Buying new parts is no big deal, but I don't see the point in 
>>> spending a bunch of money in the event she doesn't ride it much, so here 
>>> are the relevant parts from my bin:
>>>
>>>- Rear wheel options - 7 speed cassette wheel with good cassette. 
>>>8/9/10 speed wheel with no cassette.
>>>- Shifters -Microshift 9 speed thumbies (I kinda want to keep these 
>>>for another build). Shimano bar ends that no longer index.
>>>- Derailers - New Altus 8 speed RD. Old Sora 9 speed RD. Shimano 
>>>600ES 7 speed RD.
>>>
>>> So here are my options:
>>>
>>>
>>>1. Keep the old 7 speed stuff. Friction bar ends or friction 
>>>thumbies.
>>>2. Buy a new 8 speed cassette. Use the Altus RD from my box. 
>>>Friction thumbies or bar ends.
>>>3. Buy a 9 speed cassette and a 9 speed derailer. Indexed Microshift 
>>>thumbies.
>>>4. Buy a 9 speed cassette, derailer, and rapid fire shifter. The 
>>>Sunrace 9 speed stuff comes out to a

Re: [RBW] ISO: Missing Link wheel building book

[David Person]

I am unfamiliar with this publication and don't mean to hijack your post, 
but when I took up wheel building two years ago I purchased a copy of Roger 
Munson's "Professional Guide to Wheel Building" and it was the best $12 
I've ever spent.  The book is so well written and laid out that it gave me 
confidence that I could successfully build a set of wheels.  I've since 
built 7 pairs.  The book is not only a great resource, I found it an 
enjoyable read.  I've got copies of other books on wheel building, 
including the classic "The Bicycle Wheel" by Jobst Brandt.  None 'spoke' to 
me like the Munson book (yeah, pun intended).  I can't speak highly enough 
about it.  I've go no financial ties to Roger or his book, I'm just not 
sure I would have take the plunge into wheel building had I not read it.

https://www.wheelpro.co.uk/wheelbuilding/book.php



On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:58:02 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> Oooo. I'd sure like same!
>
> Scott
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 1:43 PM, Slin
>  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I was just chatting with Rich Lesnik and he recommended a wheel building 
> book/pamphlet from the Missing Link (sad hearing that shop is closing, btw).
>
> I was wondering if anyone had a copy I could buy or know if there are 
> scans of it somewhere.
>
> Thanks!
> Slin
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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks David and Joe,
I just remembered to ask ... any recommendations for cheap 26" wheel 
specific racks, rear mostly, but either I guess. 

The 700c compatible racks I have around sit so far above the rear wheel 
that the seat basically goes all the way down on top of them :`(

Paul

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:53:31 AM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:

> I thought y'all might like to see how the Clemified Hard Rock came out. I 
> put Boscos instead of Albatross on because it seemed like it'd work better. 
>
> [image: hard-rock-side-sm.jpg][image: hard-rock-front-sm.jpg]
>
> It's worth mentioning that the seat tube bottoms out with about 3 inches 
> of post still showing. The means that the minimum saddle height (as is) is 
> like 32" from the ground. So she won't be able to put her feet on the 
> ground while sitting on the seat anyway. I thought about cutting the seat 
> post down, and I still might. But if I cut off too much, she won't be able 
> to get the seat up to her PBH minus 11 saddle height from the bottom 
> bracket. So I figured I'd wait and let her ride it before I make any 
> destructive modifications.
>
> The stem has a similar problem. Between the minimum insertion mark and 
> where the stem bottoms out is like 1 inch (because the head tube is so 
> short). So I have it set up with a Technomic to get the bars high, but I 
> will take a stem with a shorter quill in case we need to get them much 
> lower. I'll also take the Albatross bars with me, in case the Boscos come 
> back way too far.
>
> But I rode it around to button everything up this morning, and it feels 
> GREAT! Now just to get it half way across the country and see how it works 
> for its intended rider.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 5:03:26 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> What do y'all think about putting friction bar end shifters on Albatross 
>> bars for a new rider?
>>
>> I'm just looking for opinions since I'm stumped on this build.
>>
>> My options are more-or-less indexed or friction 9 speed Microshift 
>> thumbies, friction bar ends, or buy some rapid fire shifters.
>>
>> I (selfishly) want to keep the thumbies for a different build for myself. 
>> And I'd have to buy a set of rapid fire shifters - which has its own 
>> problems (derrailer/cassette mismatching ...).
>>
>> So I want to know - Do you think a new rider would be irritated by 
>> friction bar ends?
>>
>> Here's the long story:
>>
>> I have a very short friend (4'11" - PBH is 72). If money and availability 
>> were no object, I'd buy her a 45cm Clem and be done with it, but I can't do 
>> that myself, and she'd never spend that kind of money on a bike (at least 
>> not until she catches the biking bug from this bike I'm building her since 
>> it'll be the first bike that's ever fit her).
>>
>> So my goal is to build a bike that fits her and is so fun to ride that 
>> she'll want to ride bikes all the time and eventually just buy a Clem.
>>
>> I finally found a frame that will fit her. It's a tiny (41 cm) 90s 
>> Hardrock step through with 26" wheels and Shimano 200ES drive train, which 
>> is low end 90s 7-speed stuff. It has a triple crank that I will leave in 
>> place (buttery smooth even after 30 years). Both derailers are in good 
>> shape, but they're low end 90s stuff, so I doubt they feel great, but I bet 
>> they'd work with friction just fine. It came with junky old rapid fire 
>> shifters, so those are definitely getting replaced.
>>
>> I'm planning to put Albatross bars on this bike, so my quandary is about 
>> the drivetrain. I'd like to use as many parts from my bin as possible, but 
>> I can't decide which combo is gonna work best and be the most fun for a 
>> timid rider. Buying new parts is no big deal, but I don't see the point in 
>> spending a bunch of money in the event she doesn't ride it much, so here 
>> are the relevant parts from my bin:
>>
>>- Rear wheel options - 7 speed cassette wheel with good cassette. 
>>8/9/10 speed wheel with no cassette.
>>- Shifters -Microshift 9 speed thumbies (I kinda want to keep these 
>>for another build). Shimano bar ends that no longer index.
>>- Derailers - New Altus 8 speed RD. Old Sora 9 speed RD. Shimano 
>>600ES 7 speed RD.
>>
>> So here are my options:
>>
>>
>>1. Keep the old 7 speed stuff. Friction bar ends or friction thumbies.
>>2. Buy a new 8 speed cassette. Use the Altus RD from my box. Friction 
>>thumbies or bar ends.
>>3. Buy a 9 speed cassette and a 9 speed derailer. Indexed Microshift 
>>thumbies.
>>4. Buy a 9 speed cassette, derailer, and rapid fire shifter. The 
>>Sunrace 9 speed stuff comes out to about $60 for the whole set up.
>>
>> I have a new 3x rapid fire shifter for the front, but I hate how those 
>> shift, and I don't think I have a matching derailer - I can test the 200GS 
>> FD that is on there, but I personally think friction front is the way to 
>> go, and I definitely prefer a bar end

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[Joe Bernard]

It's so pretty! I love that year/color Hardrock. Well done! 

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:53:31 AM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:

> I thought y'all might like to see how the Clemified Hard Rock came out. I 
> put Boscos instead of Albatross on because it seemed like it'd work better. 
>
> [image: hard-rock-side-sm.jpg][image: hard-rock-front-sm.jpg]
>
> It's worth mentioning that the seat tube bottoms out with about 3 inches 
> of post still showing. The means that the minimum saddle height (as is) is 
> like 32" from the ground. So she won't be able to put her feet on the 
> ground while sitting on the seat anyway. I thought about cutting the seat 
> post down, and I still might. But if I cut off too much, she won't be able 
> to get the seat up to her PBH minus 11 saddle height from the bottom 
> bracket. So I figured I'd wait and let her ride it before I make any 
> destructive modifications.
>
> The stem has a similar problem. Between the minimum insertion mark and 
> where the stem bottoms out is like 1 inch (because the head tube is so 
> short). So I have it set up with a Technomic to get the bars high, but I 
> will take a stem with a shorter quill in case we need to get them much 
> lower. I'll also take the Albatross bars with me, in case the Boscos come 
> back way too far.
>
> But I rode it around to button everything up this morning, and it feels 
> GREAT! Now just to get it half way across the country and see how it works 
> for its intended rider.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 5:03:26 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> What do y'all think about putting friction bar end shifters on Albatross 
>> bars for a new rider?
>>
>> I'm just looking for opinions since I'm stumped on this build.
>>
>> My options are more-or-less indexed or friction 9 speed Microshift 
>> thumbies, friction bar ends, or buy some rapid fire shifters.
>>
>> I (selfishly) want to keep the thumbies for a different build for myself. 
>> And I'd have to buy a set of rapid fire shifters - which has its own 
>> problems (derrailer/cassette mismatching ...).
>>
>> So I want to know - Do you think a new rider would be irritated by 
>> friction bar ends?
>>
>> Here's the long story:
>>
>> I have a very short friend (4'11" - PBH is 72). If money and availability 
>> were no object, I'd buy her a 45cm Clem and be done with it, but I can't do 
>> that myself, and she'd never spend that kind of money on a bike (at least 
>> not until she catches the biking bug from this bike I'm building her since 
>> it'll be the first bike that's ever fit her).
>>
>> So my goal is to build a bike that fits her and is so fun to ride that 
>> she'll want to ride bikes all the time and eventually just buy a Clem.
>>
>> I finally found a frame that will fit her. It's a tiny (41 cm) 90s 
>> Hardrock step through with 26" wheels and Shimano 200ES drive train, which 
>> is low end 90s 7-speed stuff. It has a triple crank that I will leave in 
>> place (buttery smooth even after 30 years). Both derailers are in good 
>> shape, but they're low end 90s stuff, so I doubt they feel great, but I bet 
>> they'd work with friction just fine. It came with junky old rapid fire 
>> shifters, so those are definitely getting replaced.
>>
>> I'm planning to put Albatross bars on this bike, so my quandary is about 
>> the drivetrain. I'd like to use as many parts from my bin as possible, but 
>> I can't decide which combo is gonna work best and be the most fun for a 
>> timid rider. Buying new parts is no big deal, but I don't see the point in 
>> spending a bunch of money in the event she doesn't ride it much, so here 
>> are the relevant parts from my bin:
>>
>>- Rear wheel options - 7 speed cassette wheel with good cassette. 
>>8/9/10 speed wheel with no cassette.
>>- Shifters -Microshift 9 speed thumbies (I kinda want to keep these 
>>for another build). Shimano bar ends that no longer index.
>>- Derailers - New Altus 8 speed RD. Old Sora 9 speed RD. Shimano 
>>600ES 7 speed RD.
>>
>> So here are my options:
>>
>>
>>1. Keep the old 7 speed stuff. Friction bar ends or friction thumbies.
>>2. Buy a new 8 speed cassette. Use the Altus RD from my box. Friction 
>>thumbies or bar ends.
>>3. Buy a 9 speed cassette and a 9 speed derailer. Indexed Microshift 
>>thumbies.
>>4. Buy a 9 speed cassette, derailer, and rapid fire shifter. The 
>>Sunrace 9 speed stuff comes out to about $60 for the whole set up.
>>
>> I have a new 3x rapid fire shifter for the front, but I hate how those 
>> shift, and I don't think I have a matching derailer - I can test the 200GS 
>> FD that is on there, but I personally think friction front is the way to 
>> go, and I definitely prefer a bar end for that over a thumbie, because the 
>> leverage feels better to me.
>>
>> Since bar ends are just such a joy to use and have so much leverage, I 
>> suspect the Altus derailer and a 8 or 9 speed cassette with a friction bar 

[RBW] FS: Brooks Swift Titanium

[Michael Ullmer]

This saddle came on the Ram that I posted about earlier today. Brooks 
saddles don't work for me.

I treated with proofride once when I got it to keep the leather treated. 
Tightening bolt does not appear to be turned at all. Some marks, scuffs on 
leather as shown in pics.

Looking for $200 net to me plus shipping via Pirateship

Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/SZRYXVNrtK1fZR9k9

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - 2002 Size 60 Rambouillet

[Michael Ullmer]

Thanks all. This era of Riv's definitely appeal to me the most. Looking 
forward to many happy miles on this one.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:59:57 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

> Beautiful score, Mike! Really decent original shape, too. Somebody took 
> wonderful care of it.
>
> Here's another one, blue came along right after creamsicle. I think these 
> bikes were created during Grant's Holy Days :  ) 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/albums/72157702711634681
>
> BEST/ Jock Dewey
>
> PS: BTW, if you don't want that beautiful TA crankset, you can list it 
> here and it will be gone in less than five seconds.
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 5:19:24 AM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> I haven't had a proper Riv for about 5 years and had been itching for a 
>> simple, rackless bike to take out on mid-day rides with no destination in 
>> mind. I picked this up from a seller on Pinkbike. Aside from the 
>> wheels/drivetrain, I've switched up everything else about the build. I 
>> especially like the aesthetic of the lugged stem/seatpost with the lugs of 
>> the frame, so many lugs! Frame has the expected paint rubs and an 
>> unexpected small dent in the top tube, but hey, beausage! Now I don't have 
>> to be so precious with it. I'm very curious how it will ride compared with 
>> my 650b Rando Fitz. 
>>
>> It's currently kitted out with 48 Noodles, but may switch to Mustache 
>> which I'm finding I like more and more. I've got 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires in 
>> there now with very little fender room to spare. I may go with 32mm tires 
>> and fender it up for the winter and put 35s back on for the summer. I think 
>> the wheels are stock Dura Ace 9sp era hubs. The TA cranks are gorgeous, 
>> though I'll likely switch them out for WI Road Cranks. I also haven't used 
>> DT shifters in at least 10 years, so am excited to try out the Silver 
>> Shifters on here.
>>
>> My ultimate plan is to build up a 700c SS wheelset with WI ENO Eccentric 
>> hub. After seeing Will's blog post yesterday about his SS Roadini, my plans 
>> solidified. Minneapolis is currently under 6" of fresh snow with single 
>> digit temps in the forecast, so haven't gotten this out for a test ride yet.
>>
>> Mike in Minneapolis
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9zLj1t3dUEogv88a8
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thanksgiving Morning Clem crash

[ascpgh]

I'm not fond of crash stories unless something good comes of them. Hope you 
have an uneventful and rapid recovery JIm. 

Was the traffic circle new-ish, well marked? 

Road paint is slick as goose grease when wet due to the little spheres that 
make it so reflective. There's so much that it is seems visually bright and 
shouty to drivers. Really seems to relegate the wet cyclists on the edge of 
the traffic lane as things to look out for. 

I cope with a number of intersections with this level of painted directives 
to all traffic. I treat them as mine fields if the slightest moisture is 
present.


Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:09:46 PM UTC-5 Jim Bronson wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Well we had a warm rainy Thanksgiving morning here in the greater Austin 
> area.  I thought it might be a good thing to go ride around for an hour or 
> so to try to burn a few calories before consuming several thousand and of 
> course as always for enjoyment.   Being a native (Western) Oregonian the 
> rain is rarely a problem for me so off I went.
>
> Well my ride came to an unfortunate end after about 5 miles exiting a 
> traffic circle.  I was taking a right to exit when the bike went right out 
> from under me as fast as I can ever remember one doing so.  I never jerked 
> the handlebars or anything, it was just the same smooth steady motion that 
> I have used 20 or 30 times before on this same traffic circle.  But this 
> time I was down on the ground in a flash.
>
> Being that my Clem is in stock configuration and is a 65, I had a fair 
> distance to fall.  Unfortunately I broke my fibia and the fracture extends 
> to the bottom of my knee joint.  I won't be needing surgery but I cannot 
> put any weight on it for 6 weeks minimum.  We'll see what the orthopedic 
> surgeon says after that.
>
> The net effect of all this is that I'm thinking of putting drops on my 
> Clem when I get back to riding again.  I know it isn't how Grant intended 
> it, but the extremely upright position of the Clem now has me thinking 
> maybe it's not so good to be so high in the air if I have another fall at 
> some point.  I know this is driven by fear, but, I've often thought of 
> "dropping my Clem" in the past and this may just be the push I need in 
> order to do it.
>
> I know this is the opposite of what people in their 50s are usually doing 
> but I am very comfortable riding drops and many days I will take my 650B 
> converted Road Standard for just that reason.  on this particular day I 
> took the Clem because I didn't want some rain-loosened sharp rock to 
> puncture the somewhat fragile Compass tires on my Road Standard.  
>
> So anyway.
> Prove me wrong!
> Drops for Clem 2022!
>
> -Jim
> austin suburbs, tx
>
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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[DavidP]

Nice, Paul! Looks great. Let us know how she likes it.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:53:31 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> I thought y'all might like to see how the Clemified Hard Rock came out. I 
> put Boscos instead of Albatross on because it seemed like it'd work better. 
>
> [image: hard-rock-side-sm.jpg][image: hard-rock-front-sm.jpg]
>
> It's worth mentioning that the seat tube bottoms out with about 3 inches 
> of post still showing. The means that the minimum saddle height (as is) is 
> like 32" from the ground. So she won't be able to put her feet on the 
> ground while sitting on the seat anyway. I thought about cutting the seat 
> post down, and I still might. But if I cut off too much, she won't be able 
> to get the seat up to her PBH minus 11 saddle height from the bottom 
> bracket. So I figured I'd wait and let her ride it before I make any 
> destructive modifications.
>
> The stem has a similar problem. Between the minimum insertion mark and 
> where the stem bottoms out is like 1 inch (because the head tube is so 
> short). So I have it set up with a Technomic to get the bars high, but I 
> will take a stem with a shorter quill in case we need to get them much 
> lower. I'll also take the Albatross bars with me, in case the Boscos come 
> back way too far.
>
> But I rode it around to button everything up this morning, and it feels 
> GREAT! Now just to get it half way across the country and see how it works 
> for its intended rider.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 5:03:26 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> What do y'all think about putting friction bar end shifters on Albatross 
>> bars for a new rider?
>>
>> I'm just looking for opinions since I'm stumped on this build.
>>
>> My options are more-or-less indexed or friction 9 speed Microshift 
>> thumbies, friction bar ends, or buy some rapid fire shifters.
>>
>> I (selfishly) want to keep the thumbies for a different build for myself. 
>> And I'd have to buy a set of rapid fire shifters - which has its own 
>> problems (derrailer/cassette mismatching ...).
>>
>> So I want to know - Do you think a new rider would be irritated by 
>> friction bar ends?
>>
>> Here's the long story:
>>
>> I have a very short friend (4'11" - PBH is 72). If money and availability 
>> were no object, I'd buy her a 45cm Clem and be done with it, but I can't do 
>> that myself, and she'd never spend that kind of money on a bike (at least 
>> not until she catches the biking bug from this bike I'm building her since 
>> it'll be the first bike that's ever fit her).
>>
>> So my goal is to build a bike that fits her and is so fun to ride that 
>> she'll want to ride bikes all the time and eventually just buy a Clem.
>>
>> I finally found a frame that will fit her. It's a tiny (41 cm) 90s 
>> Hardrock step through with 26" wheels and Shimano 200ES drive train, which 
>> is low end 90s 7-speed stuff. It has a triple crank that I will leave in 
>> place (buttery smooth even after 30 years). Both derailers are in good 
>> shape, but they're low end 90s stuff, so I doubt they feel great, but I bet 
>> they'd work with friction just fine. It came with junky old rapid fire 
>> shifters, so those are definitely getting replaced.
>>
>> I'm planning to put Albatross bars on this bike, so my quandary is about 
>> the drivetrain. I'd like to use as many parts from my bin as possible, but 
>> I can't decide which combo is gonna work best and be the most fun for a 
>> timid rider. Buying new parts is no big deal, but I don't see the point in 
>> spending a bunch of money in the event she doesn't ride it much, so here 
>> are the relevant parts from my bin:
>>
>>- Rear wheel options - 7 speed cassette wheel with good cassette. 
>>8/9/10 speed wheel with no cassette.
>>- Shifters -Microshift 9 speed thumbies (I kinda want to keep these 
>>for another build). Shimano bar ends that no longer index.
>>- Derailers - New Altus 8 speed RD. Old Sora 9 speed RD. Shimano 
>>600ES 7 speed RD.
>>
>> So here are my options:
>>
>>
>>1. Keep the old 7 speed stuff. Friction bar ends or friction thumbies.
>>2. Buy a new 8 speed cassette. Use the Altus RD from my box. Friction 
>>thumbies or bar ends.
>>3. Buy a 9 speed cassette and a 9 speed derailer. Indexed Microshift 
>>thumbies.
>>4. Buy a 9 speed cassette, derailer, and rapid fire shifter. The 
>>Sunrace 9 speed stuff comes out to about $60 for the whole set up.
>>
>> I have a new 3x rapid fire shifter for the front, but I hate how those 
>> shift, and I don't think I have a matching derailer - I can test the 200GS 
>> FD that is on there, but I personally think friction front is the way to 
>> go, and I definitely prefer a bar end for that over a thumbie, because the 
>> leverage feels better to me.
>>
>> Since bar ends are just such a joy to use and have so much leverage, I 
>> suspect the Altus derailer and a 8 or 9 speed cassette with a friction bar 
>> e

Re: [RBW] ISO: Missing Link wheel building book

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oooo. I'd sure like same!
Scott

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  On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 1:43 PM, Slin wrote:   Hi All,
I was just chatting with Rich Lesnik and he recommended a wheel building 
book/pamphlet from the Missing Link (sad hearing that shop is closing, btw).
I was wondering if anyone had a copy I could buy or know if there are scans of 
it somewhere.
Thanks!Slin


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Re: [RBW] New Gus shipping from Canada

[Andrew S]

Ian, I could be wrong and would be happy to be corrected, but I think that
C&L receives their Riv frames 'drop-shipped' direct from Taiwan. I vaguely
recall discussing this in a conversation with Julian or Simon. Thus they
sometimes receive their frames at essentially the same time as Riv HQ does
(my eagerly anticipated silver Sam is already on its way out to Alberta!).
So they probably have to put Taiwan as the country of origin on the
paperwork when subsequently shipping to the U.S., I presume.

Still hoping to see your Rawland somewhere around town someday!

AndrewS, also in Alberta Canada

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 1:38 PM Ian A  wrote:

> I think you'll find it's less roulette and more based on the stated
> country of origin. It the paperwork shows "Taiwan" as the Country of
> Origin" the frame will likely attract duty. If it shows a NAFTA country of
> origin (USA, Canada or Mexico) it should be duty exempt. If it shows "US
> Goods Returning" on the paperwork it will certainly be zero duty going into
> the US.
>
> Considering the Gus was from Taiwan, but imported into the USA and then
> exported to Canada it would technically (arguably?) be US Goods Returning
> to the USA. I think a strong case could be made for that and under country
> of origin on the customs form for US Goods Returning. Unless it gets
> inspected and the Border Agency disagree for some reason.
>
> It all comes down to the information the Customs Broker has to work with.
> If C&L are stating Taiwan or USA or US Goods Returning... Might be worth a
> phone call. I can say C&L are very customer focused and responsive.
>
> IanA (who spent a few years in the freight industry and who doesn't miss
> the paperwork!) Alberta Canada
>
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:16:23 AM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> In my experience of shipping bikes and parts, it's generally a ~$50 flat
>> fee for brokerage clerical charges no matter what and Russian roulette on
>> import tax fees. Coming from us to Canada there are various import rules of
>> taxation on new vs used related bikez: us parts, us manufacturers, frame,
>> frame+wheels. And however customs decides to tax. I've gotten a new Marino
>> frame with no costs. I've paid $125 for a used frame and fork and been hit
>> with $70 tax. They make it really really frustrating and annoying. Haha.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Whoa! That’s a lot different than Jacob’s experience.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2022, at 2:20 PM, Ronald Halili  wrote:
>>>
>>> I too ordered my Gus from C&L Cycles at the end of the day of Thursday,
>>> 9/22/22 and it was delivered on Wednesday, 9/28/22 to NYC. From Canada it
>>> was shipped via Purolator and then transferred to UPS for final delivery. I
>>> received an email from UPS on Tuesday afternoon regarding import fees
>>> stating that I could either pay online or have check ready for the delivery
>>> driver. I chose the latter and wrote a check to UPS for the amount of
>>> $243.92 USD. As for the original question regarding clearance fee, I do not
>>> know how it was calculated other than the split of brokerage fee and import
>>> tax fee that was stated in the UPS email. Here is the breakdown of my
>>> purchase:
>>>
>>>
>>> Frame/Fork/Headset/54cm Orange
>>>
>>> (C$2600.00 + C$199.19 Shipping)
>>>
>>> = $2095.83 USD
>>>
>>> + $191.42 USD Import Tax
>>>
>>> + $52.50 USD Brokerage Fee
>>>
>>> = $2339.75 USD
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-5 jacob...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I bought my Gus from C&L Cycles out of Montreal. They shipped it to me
 (Pennsylvania) via UPS. I think it took 3 days? UPS sent me the bill for
 import fees and I think it was around $50. Dead simple process.

 Cheers,

 Jacob


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 12, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:

 Yes, the Gus I found is at a Riv dealer in Canada. Having googled
 until I cannot stand it anymore I ask; anyone have experience with
 "clearance" fees associated with importing a bicycle frame from Canada? The
 closest I have come to uncovering the cost is that items valued under
 $2,500.00 US are less expensive and easier to do than items over $2,500.00.
 I started a Bikeflights estimate and I get the shipping cost and a message
 that clearance fees will be calculated and added to order.

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[RBW] ISO: Missing Link wheel building book

[Slin]

Hi All,

I was just chatting with Rich Lesnik and he recommended a wheel building 
book/pamphlet from the Missing Link (sad hearing that shop is closing, btw).

I was wondering if anyone had a copy I could buy or know if there are scans 
of it somewhere.

Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] New Gus shipping from Canada

[Ian A]

I think you'll find it's less roulette and more based on the stated country 
of origin. It the paperwork shows "Taiwan" as the Country of Origin" the 
frame will likely attract duty. If it shows a NAFTA country of origin (USA, 
Canada or Mexico) it should be duty exempt. If it shows "US Goods 
Returning" on the paperwork it will certainly be zero duty going into the 
US.

Considering the Gus was from Taiwan, but imported into the USA and then 
exported to Canada it would technically (arguably?) be US Goods Returning 
to the USA. I think a strong case could be made for that and under country 
of origin on the customs form for US Goods Returning. Unless it gets 
inspected and the Border Agency disagree for some reason.

It all comes down to the information the Customs Broker has to work with. 
If C&L are stating Taiwan or USA or US Goods Returning... Might be worth a 
phone call. I can say C&L are very customer focused and responsive.

IanA (who spent a few years in the freight industry and who doesn't miss 
the paperwork!) Alberta Canada



On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:16:23 AM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> In my experience of shipping bikes and parts, it's generally a ~$50 flat 
> fee for brokerage clerical charges no matter what and Russian roulette on 
> import tax fees. Coming from us to Canada there are various import rules of 
> taxation on new vs used related bikez: us parts, us manufacturers, frame, 
> frame+wheels. And however customs decides to tax. I've gotten a new Marino 
> frame with no costs. I've paid $125 for a used frame and fork and been hit 
> with $70 tax. They make it really really frustrating and annoying. Haha. 
>
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Whoa! That’s a lot different than Jacob’s experience.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2022, at 2:20 PM, Ronald Halili  wrote:
>>
>> I too ordered my Gus from C&L Cycles at the end of the day of Thursday, 
>> 9/22/22 and it was delivered on Wednesday, 9/28/22 to NYC. From Canada it 
>> was shipped via Purolator and then transferred to UPS for final delivery. I 
>> received an email from UPS on Tuesday afternoon regarding import fees 
>> stating that I could either pay online or have check ready for the delivery 
>> driver. I chose the latter and wrote a check to UPS for the amount of 
>> $243.92 USD. As for the original question regarding clearance fee, I do not 
>> know how it was calculated other than the split of brokerage fee and import 
>> tax fee that was stated in the UPS email. Here is the breakdown of my 
>> purchase:
>>
>>
>> Frame/Fork/Headset/54cm Orange
>>
>> (C$2600.00 + C$199.19 Shipping)
>>
>> = $2095.83 USD
>>
>> + $191.42 USD Import Tax
>>
>> + $52.50 USD Brokerage Fee
>>
>> = $2339.75 USD
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-5 jacob...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I bought my Gus from C&L Cycles out of Montreal. They shipped it to me 
>>> (Pennsylvania) via UPS. I think it took 3 days? UPS sent me the bill for 
>>> import fees and I think it was around $50. Dead simple process. 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jacob
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, the Gus I found is at a Riv dealer in Canada. Having googled until 
>>> I cannot stand it anymore I ask; anyone have experience with "clearance" 
>>> fees associated with importing a bicycle frame from Canada? The closest I 
>>> have come to uncovering the cost is that items valued under $2,500.00 US 
>>> are less expensive and easier to do than items over $2,500.00. I started a 
>>> Bikeflights estimate and I get the shipping cost and a message that 
>>> clearance fees will be calculated and added to order. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Brian Forsee]

I rode fixed when I first got into cycling. Now 75% or so of my bikes are 
single speeds and I have no fixed gears. The main thing I like about SS vs 
fixed is being able to have my feet/cranks in the ideal position whenever I 
want. Also yeah, coasting rules.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:30:55 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:

> Hi John,
> You're missing out on coasting! I tried fixed-gear once and can't imagine 
> why it became a popular way to ride around 2010. Especially if your single 
> speed is geared low for climbing, it is a relief to be able to relax on the 
> descent.
> -Wes
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:11:03 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Hello Ryan,
>>
>> I'm very inspired my Will's Roadini build as well. I haven't done much SS 
>> riding, I'm more of a fixed or multi-gear rider. How do people feel about 
>> SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not riding SS some of the time?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:57:35 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>>>
>>> And Will's post : 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045&mc_eid=0074b52ae1
>>>  
>>> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
>>> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
>>> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[Jay Lonner]

+1 on the joys of winter cycling. I lived in Madison for 4 years, and commuted by bike year-round. It helped a lot that the city was good about snow and ice removal, although all the salt pretty much trashed the components on my X0-1 after my first winter there. I ended up turning a Goodwill frame into a dedicated singlespeed commuter, and with Nokian studded tires never had any real issues. Compare that to the laissez faire attitude toward dealing with snow and ice back in the PNW – a few weeks ago I hit a patch of black ice and went right down. My first spill in many years — dinged up my handlebars a bit, but was lucky enough to avoid injury. I’ll confess that it’s made me a bit gunshy about riding here in freezing temperatures. Having said that, I still prefer cycling in the cold and wet to riding in hot and sticky weather (although Madison had a fair amount of that as well).Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Dec 16, 2022, at 11:38 AM, Wesley  wrote:Winter cycling in colder climates is a fresh and wonderful form of joy. We lived in Madison, Wisconsin for seven years and commuting by riding straight across Lake Mendota was incredibly fun. Plus, I often had the paths to myself and got a lot of entertainment from taking on big snow berms. Ice and slush were a lot less fun, though. To each their own - I'll certainly agree that NorCal can be a lovely place to ride. The things that surprised me, though, are how incredibly narrow the roads are, and how most trails prohibit cycling.-WOn Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:21:01 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:The best winter cycling for me is no winter at all. No compromises or adaptations.Summer, Summer, and Summer and Summer. I Love Summer HOT, HUMID Green and Balmy SUMMMER ! Where there are few to none "cyclists" around. In other words, where cycling isn't popular and there is no such thing as "popular culture" to be found. Where is such a place ?  Right where One could never lose or find The Heart. Home, Heaven, is The Heart. and where's isn't The Heart  but nowhere ?  



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Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[藍俊彪]

The Loma Prieta branch of the Sierra Club actively fought trail access for
mountain bikers in the area. It's something many of us here will never
forgive them for. Nevertheless, there are a lot of good trails that are
worth riding available, many of which see no more than 2 cyclists an hour.
Pre-pandemic they were even less used but with the rise of gravel bikes I'm
starting to see more traffic.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:38 AM Wesley  wrote:

> Winter cycling in colder climates is a fresh and wonderful form of joy. We
> lived in Madison, Wisconsin for seven years and commuting by riding
> straight across Lake Mendota was incredibly fun. Plus, I often had the
> paths to myself and got a lot of entertainment from taking on big snow
> berms. Ice and slush were a lot less fun, though. To each their own - I'll
> certainly agree that NorCal can be a lovely place to ride. The things that
> surprised me, though, are how incredibly narrow the roads are, and how most
> trails prohibit cycling.
> -W
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:21:01 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> The best winter cycling for me is no winter at all. No compromises or
>> adaptations.
>>
>> Summer, Summer, and Summer and Summer. I Love Summer HOT, HUMID Green
>> and Balmy SUMMMER !
>>
>> Where there are few to none "cyclists" around. In other words, where
>> cycling isn't popular and there is no such thing as "popular culture" to be
>> found.
>>
>> Where is such a place ?
>>
>> Right where One could never lose or find The Heart. Home, Heaven, is
>> The Heart. and where's isn't The Heart  but nowhere ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[Wesley]

Winter cycling in colder climates is a fresh and wonderful form of joy. We 
lived in Madison, Wisconsin for seven years and commuting by riding 
straight across Lake Mendota was incredibly fun. Plus, I often had the 
paths to myself and got a lot of entertainment from taking on big snow 
berms. Ice and slush were a lot less fun, though. To each their own - I'll 
certainly agree that NorCal can be a lovely place to ride. The things that 
surprised me, though, are how incredibly narrow the roads are, and how most 
trails prohibit cycling.
-W

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:21:01 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> The best winter cycling for me is no winter at all. No compromises or 
> adaptations.
>
> Summer, Summer, and Summer and Summer. I Love Summer HOT, HUMID Green 
> and Balmy SUMMMER ! 
>
> Where there are few to none "cyclists" around. In other words, where 
> cycling isn't popular and there is no such thing as "popular culture" to be 
> found. 
>
> Where is such a place ?  
>
> Right where One could never lose or find The Heart. Home, Heaven, is 
> The Heart. and where's isn't The Heart  but nowhere ? 
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Wesley]

Hi John,
You're missing out on coasting! I tried fixed-gear once and can't imagine 
why it became a popular way to ride around 2010. Especially if your single 
speed is geared low for climbing, it is a relief to be able to relax on the 
descent.
-Wes

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:11:03 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Ryan,
>
> I'm very inspired my Will's Roadini build as well. I haven't done much SS 
> riding, I'm more of a fixed or multi-gear rider. How do people feel about 
> SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not riding SS some of the time?
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:57:35 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>>
>> And Will's post : 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045&mc_eid=0074b52ae1
>>  
>> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
>> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
>> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Is there a 31.8 clamp drop bar comparable to a Nitto Noodle 54cm?

[Jason Fuller]

Late to the party, but I wholeheartedly suggest the Nitto M137 'dirt drop' 
bar.  I have the 54cm, which measures 54 at the ends but about 49-50cm at 
the hoods. Not super long reach like a randonneur bar (which won't fit 
right if you try to re-use your stem, most likely), but still has pretty 
classic looks with just a bit of modern flare (literally, and 
figuratively).  Got mine from Blue Lug. 

On Thursday, 15 December 2022 at 11:22:11 UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I have to retract my overly confident assertion: "best" for bars and 
> saddles can only mean "best for me." But here is what I like about the Maes 
> Parallel, after using scores of other road and "dirt" drop  bars.
>
> The long flat ramps. I like my bars set up with ramps and ends of hooks 
> parallel to the ground, and the MP seems perfectly designed for this, 
> allowing you to mount your levers high enough without eliminating the flat 
> ramp ahead of the hoods. 
>
> Positions: Instead of 4 positions: hooks, hoods, ramps behind hoods, 
> flats, I get 5: hooks, hoods, ramps behind hoods, ramps a bit further back, 
> flats.
>
> The flat hooks. My left palm hurts when I rest it for more than 10 minutes 
> on a slanted hook. The other day I was in the hooks of the MP bar for a 
> good 5 miles non-stop, total 7 miles with a bit of a break; again, very 
> sensitive left palm. True, I did shift the left palm around every half mile 
> or mile, but I was in the drop position as described. Can't do that with 
> drop bar slanted downward.
>
> The moderate drop. I like an aero hoods position, but enough difference 
> when moving from hoods to hooks so that there is material advantage against 
> a headwind; but I dislike deep drops which at almost 68 I find too low -- 
> reason I swapped out the 140 mm drop Nitto 165 and Giro d'Italia bars for 
> the MPs (both have 90 mm ramps and 140 mm drop, IIRC). The MPs are 
> wonderful for this: again, long reach, modest drop.
>
> Finally, the quality: the best of Nitto standards among all the levels of 
> high Nitto quality standards.
>
> Oh, and even more finally: they have a prettier polish than say the Noodle 
> or 165 or GdI.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 3:25 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Patrick:
>>
>> Please, clarify what you mean by "best road drop bar on the market at 
>> least for non-brifter brake levers."
>>
>> I have a set of Ultegra brifters I'm wanting to install on my newly 
>> purchased HR Randonneur bars, as you know are similar to the Maes Parrallel.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:10:08 AM MST, Patrick Moore <
>> bert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> I use the Maes Parallel on 3 bikes and IMO it's the best road drop bar on 
>> the market at least for non-brifter brake levers: longish reach, long flat 
>> ramps, modest drop, flat hooks. It does come in 31.8.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 9:34 AM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Are you in same position I am, looking for a 31.8 drop?
>>
>> Did you see the RH Maes Parallel on the their site?
>>
>> Thoughts?!
>>
>> Has anyone else tried the RH Randonneur or Maes Parallel? Takes, please?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 05:37:57 AM MST, Steven Sweedler <
>> swee...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Scott, yesterday on the Bob list I asked about comparisons of the Noodle 
>> and the RH Randonneur bar that comes in 31.8. The two responders liked both 
>> bars and had used them for years. Steve
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 10:07 PM 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey, all:
>>
>> I'm wanting to try a 54cm Nitto Noodle drop, but I want to keep my 31.8 
>> Faceplater to facilitate cockpit changes.
>>
>> Anyone know of a comparable bar or solution? Maybe I should just get a 
>> Noodle and stem for change outs...
>>
>> Also, am I on the right track going with a Noodle (54cm cuz I'm tall)? I 
>> plan on using it as a cockpit option for my Atlantis build.
>>
>> Happy Holidays,
>>
>> Scott
>>
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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[maxcr]

I owned a SimpleOne for a minute and I could relate to most of what Will 
mentioned in his blog, in fact his writing made me want to go back to SS as 
well.

The rear end of the bike definitely feels light and not dealing with 
derailleurs is liberating. For me coasting is just relaxing, and knowing I 
don't have to prepare my gears for whatever comes next after stopping made 
the ride more fun. For my flat-ish commute, the SimpleOne was great: fast, 
light... simple. (why did I sell it again?)

Fixed vs SS - I don't know, but for me fixed never felt good, mostly the 
slowing down and braking part. Maybe I should have given it more time.

Max

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:11:03 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Ryan,
>
> I'm very inspired my Will's Roadini build as well. I haven't done much SS 
> riding, I'm more of a fixed or multi-gear rider. How do people feel about 
> SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not riding SS some of the time?
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:57:35 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>>
>> And Will's post : 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045&mc_eid=0074b52ae1
>>  
>> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
>> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
>> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Ryan]

Have to admit I haven't worked up the nerve for fixed. Props to those who 
do ride fixed. And I'd probably need a new wheel; my  Peugeot has a 126 OLN 
Campy 36-hole Record hub. I just love the simplicity and 
silence...particularly after I ditched an inexpensive SS freewheel for a WI 
ENO. Why did I do that for a 50 year-old frame with, to put it kindly, a 
paint job with a lot of  beausage? Who knows. But the bike runs great. 

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:11:03 AM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Ryan,
>
> I'm very inspired my Will's Roadini build as well. I haven't done much SS 
> riding, I'm more of a fixed or multi-gear rider. How do people feel about 
> SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not riding SS some of the time?
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:57:35 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>>
>> And Will's post : 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045&mc_eid=0074b52ae1
>>  
>> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
>> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
>> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[Garth]

The best winter cycling for me is no winter at all. No compromises or 
adaptations.

Summer, Summer, and Summer and Summer. I Love Summer HOT, HUMID Green 
and Balmy SUMMMER ! 

Where there are few to none "cyclists" around. In other words, where 
cycling isn't popular and there is no such thing as "popular culture" to be 
found. 

Where is such a place ?  

Right where One could never lose or find The Heart. Home, Heaven, is 
The Heart. and where's isn't The Heart  but nowhere ? 





 


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[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks for the info, Brian and Scott! I'll check out those spots.

I'm really only familiar with the panhandle, and have been lucky to spend 
several weeks in winter at a house on Indian Pass. FWIW - if your travels 
ever take you to the area, Leon Sinks 
, near Tallahassee, is definitely 
worth a visit. I don't know about the camping situation there, and riding 
there wouldn't be a joy, unless there's a back way I don't know about. But 
a couple hours of hiking around and seeing the strange sink holes is a very 
cool.

Paul

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:29:42 AM UTC-6 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Brian, here are a few places one of my friends likes to go:
>
> https://floridahikes.com/florida-trail-croom-hiking-trail
> https://alafiatrails.com/
> https://www.floridastateparks.org/learn/biking-cross-florida-greenway
>
> Some of that seems a bit more intense mnt. bike stuff, but some of those 
> areas are just fun to spend a day on the green and blue trails.
>
> From what I gather the "Croom" area is supposed to be amazing.
> -Scott
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:18:34 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ryan, thank you! Regarding the Pec Deck, I didn't actually buy the "bag 
>> 'o parts" Ronnie was selling on his site for $75... I had enough spare rack 
>> struts and Nitto daruma bolts to make the exact same thing. The only thing 
>> I changed was upgrading to a solid 3/8" aluminum rod (from McMaster) for 
>> the cross piece (I was previously using just a long Nitto strut). As I'm 
>> sure you've experienced, the rackless support method is pretty rock solid, 
>> and I find it's no less solid with the Edelux attached. Maybe there's a 
>> slight bit more bounce to the light when riding at night, but it's honestly 
>> hardly noticeable. I'm using the standard Nitto light mount for rack struts.
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:05:19 AM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words, Paul and Scott! The past two winters, my wife 
>>> and I spent our Jan - Feb on a barrier island called Anna Maria Island. 
>>> It's close to Bradenton / Sarasota, and basically within the Tampa Bay / 
>>> St. Pete area, but you have to drive all the way around the bay to get to 
>>> it. Her parents own property there, so we can take our dogs and our bikes 
>>> and work remotely from there. The first year was full-on pandemic, so we 
>>> kinda laid low. Last year, we made more of an effort to get out on our 
>>> bikes and find places to ride. Mostly just day trips to gravel routes out 
>>> on the prairie. A couple of places I found that were nice and within an 
>>> hour's drive or so were Myakka River State Park, and Duette Preserve. I 
>>> didn't really find any good overnight options, and would prefer to do those 
>>> with others even if I did. However, this year I contacted a group out of 
>>> Orlando that does monthly s24o rides and coffeeoutside events. My plan is 
>>> to do a couple of rides with them, even though it's a bit further of a 
>>> drive from where we are living than I would like. I'm certainly open to 
>>> other recommendations if anyone familiar with the area has any!
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:32:00 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>
 Awesome setup and perfect kit, Brian. Thanks for sharing. Where are you 
 planning to camp in Florida? I'm always interested in spots to check out 
 down there.

 I'm  really eager to get my Gus out on an overnight sometime soon, and 
 there's a chance I'll make it to the state park on Saint Joe Penninsula 
  in early January, but I've 
 barely had a chance to figure out how I'd carry my gear, and I'd have to 
 get it all sorted by this Saturday. I had a full frame bag on my Jones, 
 and 
 I pack a little heavier than you, so I expect panniers might be in order, 
 so maybe just a nice coffee outside outing around there somewhere will 
 scratch the itch until it warms up here in the Ozarks.

 Paul in AR

 On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:05:39 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to see Brendon's clever use of that 
> half-frame bag. In that case, the shortened section of fender is crucial 
> to 
> keep it off the tire. 
>
> Re: my camping setup, I've been bikepacking since about 2010, so I've 
> had a good amount of time to acquire and test stuff out, and of course 
> everything gets better and lighter and smaller each year. Over the years 
> I've tried to whittle my kit down to the stuff that works best for me 
> without any extraneous gear. Here's a basic setup for about 3 seasons 
> here. 
> Of course, things can get bulkier and heavier in the Winter, so I adjust 
> as 
> needed:
>
> Saddlebag:
> tent (Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 solo tent - bikepacking ver

Re: [RBW] New Gus shipping from Canada

[Mackenzy Albright]

In my experience of shipping bikes and parts, it's generally a ~$50 flat 
fee for brokerage clerical charges no matter what and Russian roulette on 
import tax fees. Coming from us to Canada there are various import rules of 
taxation on new vs used related bikez: us parts, us manufacturers, frame, 
frame+wheels. And however customs decides to tax. I've gotten a new Marino 
frame with no costs. I've paid $125 for a used frame and fork and been hit 
with $70 tax. They make it really really frustrating and annoying. Haha. 


On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Whoa! That’s a lot different than Jacob’s experience.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 15, 2022, at 2:20 PM, Ronald Halili  wrote:
>
> I too ordered my Gus from C&L Cycles at the end of the day of Thursday, 
> 9/22/22 and it was delivered on Wednesday, 9/28/22 to NYC. From Canada it 
> was shipped via Purolator and then transferred to UPS for final delivery. I 
> received an email from UPS on Tuesday afternoon regarding import fees 
> stating that I could either pay online or have check ready for the delivery 
> driver. I chose the latter and wrote a check to UPS for the amount of 
> $243.92 USD. As for the original question regarding clearance fee, I do not 
> know how it was calculated other than the split of brokerage fee and import 
> tax fee that was stated in the UPS email. Here is the breakdown of my 
> purchase:
>
>
> Frame/Fork/Headset/54cm Orange
>
> (C$2600.00 + C$199.19 Shipping)
>
> = $2095.83 USD
>
> + $191.42 USD Import Tax
>
> + $52.50 USD Brokerage Fee
>
> = $2339.75 USD
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-5 jacob...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I bought my Gus from C&L Cycles out of Montreal. They shipped it to me 
>> (Pennsylvania) via UPS. I think it took 3 days? UPS sent me the bill for 
>> import fees and I think it was around $50. Dead simple process. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, the Gus I found is at a Riv dealer in Canada. Having googled until 
>> I cannot stand it anymore I ask; anyone have experience with "clearance" 
>> fees associated with importing a bicycle frame from Canada? The closest I 
>> have come to uncovering the cost is that items valued under $2,500.00 US 
>> are less expensive and easier to do than items over $2,500.00. I started a 
>> Bikeflights estimate and I get the shipping cost and a message that 
>> clearance fees will be calculated and added to order. 
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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[JohnS]

Hello Ryan,

I'm very inspired my Will's Roadini build as well. I haven't done much SS 
riding, I'm more of a fixed or multi-gear rider. How do people feel about 
SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not riding SS some of the time?

Thanks,
JohnS


On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:57:35 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>
> And Will's post : 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045&mc_eid=0074b52ae1
>  
> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[Piaw Na]

Athens Georgia ranks even below Girona on that lonely planet list, and I 
would still consider that a step down (though at least not an entire 
staircase down). I would take lonely planet with a grain of salt, since the 
thread started with winter cycling, and SF Bay Area is about 5 degrees 
warmer than Athens, GA with less rain (which is not a feature if you're 
living here --- we're in the midst of a multi-year drought!).

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:46:35 AM UTC-8 Wesley wrote:

> I think John was talking about Athens, Georgia. I've visited but never 
> cycled there, and can confirm that there is food every bit as excellent as 
> you'll find anywhere. Especially if you're into soul food or barbecue.
> -W
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:39:11 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've been to Athens. It definitely doesn't have mountains comparable to 
>> what you can find in the Santa Cruz mountains. The sheer variety of terrain 
>> from desert to open fields to redwood forests in the Bay Area beats Athens. 
>> For food, try getting great Asian food (Chinese, Japanese and Indian) in 
>> Athens. It's not even close. I will say that the archaeological/ancient 
>> monuments in Athens beats the heck out of anything in the Bay Area. I'd say 
>> that music in the Bay Area can be pretty good, but not being big on 
>> nightlife I can't say that I'd be authoritative on it.
>>
>> For cycling, the only places I think are comparable (still a step down) 
>> are Mallorca and Girona in Spain. I did a superlative trip to those places 
>> before the pandemic (
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2019/05/index-2019-mallorca-and-girona-fixed.html), 
>> and they are outstanding because the number of cyclists in Mallorca feels 
>> like you're in a century ride every day (cyclists outnumber car drivers on 
>> most of the mountain roads!), and the large number of hotels/apartments in 
>> the area means you get very good prices for lodging. But I'd still say that 
>> the food in the Bay Area for sheer diversity beats what you can find in 
>> either Mallorca and Girona. Even then their hills aren't comparable to what 
>> I'd find in the Bay Area. Bay Area mountains are suitable preparation for 
>> the alps or the Sierras. Everything in Mallorca and Girona is gentle by 
>> comparison. But of course, that means that Bay Area cyclists regularly need 
>> low gears (24x36 back in the pre-1x drivetrain days, 40x51 or 38x51 
>> nowadays) that other locations do not require. Some people find that to be 
>> a bug and not a feature.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:17 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>>
>>> Well, LONELY PLANET disagrees, with this to say: 
>>>
>>> https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/best-places-for-a-cycling-holiday
>>>
>>> I've lived both places as cyclist, and confirm LP. Athens, with its 
>>> year-round warm sunny days, an endless matrix of beautiful quiet country 
>>> lanes (i.e. no traffic), delightful hills (mountains neaby), pine forests, 
>>> no traffic is a cycling wonderland like no other. Not comparable. Add the 
>>> music, UGA for culture, enviable culinary arts, ticks all the boxes. 
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/albums/72157709138882807
>>>
>>> Jock Dewey
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:21:17 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It's not hype. The Bay Area has the best winter cycling in the world. 
 But you don't have to live here to enjoy it --- come visit for a few days 
 in winter with your bike. It's not a coincidence that the spate of outdoor 
 companies in the 1980s (Patagonia, Power Bar, Clif Bar, Specialized, 
 Ritchey, North Face, in addition to Rivendell) all started here.

 On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 6:44:30 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I enjoy watching those videos as well! I could never keep up with he 
> or Ms Cools but those rides look beautiful! 
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:54:47 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>> Dude living in San Francisco here: it’s pretty great 💅🏻
>>
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:26:54 PM UTC-8 George Schick 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At this time of the year I have to admit that I'm a bit jealous of 
>>> cyclists who live in California, especially in the the NoCal area of 
>>> the 
>>> "Frisco" bay.  Lately I've been leering enviously at YouTube videos 
>>> posted 
>>> by "Henry Wildberry" where he and his riding companion(s) are cycling 
>>> up 
>>> and down some excellent North Bay area hilly/mountainous paths and 
>>> roads 
>>> equipped with little more than "fair weather" garments vs. what we have 
>>> to 
>>> wear in the Midwest Winters. Makes me want to move there...but not 
>>> really.
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - 2002 Size 60 Rambouillet

[John Dewey]

Beautiful score, Mike! Really decent original shape, too. Somebody took 
wonderful care of it.

Here's another one, blue came along right after creamsicle. I think these 
bikes were created during Grant's Holy Days :  ) 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/albums/72157702711634681

BEST/ Jock Dewey

PS: BTW, if you don't want that beautiful TA crankset, you can list it here 
and it will be gone in less than five seconds.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 5:19:24 AM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> I haven't had a proper Riv for about 5 years and had been itching for a 
> simple, rackless bike to take out on mid-day rides with no destination in 
> mind. I picked this up from a seller on Pinkbike. Aside from the 
> wheels/drivetrain, I've switched up everything else about the build. I 
> especially like the aesthetic of the lugged stem/seatpost with the lugs of 
> the frame, so many lugs! Frame has the expected paint rubs and an 
> unexpected small dent in the top tube, but hey, beausage! Now I don't have 
> to be so precious with it. I'm very curious how it will ride compared with 
> my 650b Rando Fitz. 
>
> It's currently kitted out with 48 Noodles, but may switch to Mustache 
> which I'm finding I like more and more. I've got 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires in 
> there now with very little fender room to spare. I may go with 32mm tires 
> and fender it up for the winter and put 35s back on for the summer. I think 
> the wheels are stock Dura Ace 9sp era hubs. The TA cranks are gorgeous, 
> though I'll likely switch them out for WI Road Cranks. I also haven't used 
> DT shifters in at least 10 years, so am excited to try out the Silver 
> Shifters on here.
>
> My ultimate plan is to build up a 700c SS wheelset with WI ENO Eccentric 
> hub. After seeing Will's blog post yesterday about his SS Roadini, my plans 
> solidified. Minneapolis is currently under 6" of fresh snow with single 
> digit temps in the forecast, so haven't gotten this out for a test ride yet.
>
> Mike in Minneapolis
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9zLj1t3dUEogv88a8
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[Wesley]

I think John was talking about Athens, Georgia. I've visited but never 
cycled there, and can confirm that there is food every bit as excellent as 
you'll find anywhere. Especially if you're into soul food or barbecue.
-W

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:39:11 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've been to Athens. It definitely doesn't have mountains comparable to 
> what you can find in the Santa Cruz mountains. The sheer variety of terrain 
> from desert to open fields to redwood forests in the Bay Area beats Athens. 
> For food, try getting great Asian food (Chinese, Japanese and Indian) in 
> Athens. It's not even close. I will say that the archaeological/ancient 
> monuments in Athens beats the heck out of anything in the Bay Area. I'd say 
> that music in the Bay Area can be pretty good, but not being big on 
> nightlife I can't say that I'd be authoritative on it.
>
> For cycling, the only places I think are comparable (still a step down) 
> are Mallorca and Girona in Spain. I did a superlative trip to those places 
> before the pandemic (
> https://blog.piaw.net/2019/05/index-2019-mallorca-and-girona-fixed.html), 
> and they are outstanding because the number of cyclists in Mallorca feels 
> like you're in a century ride every day (cyclists outnumber car drivers on 
> most of the mountain roads!), and the large number of hotels/apartments in 
> the area means you get very good prices for lodging. But I'd still say that 
> the food in the Bay Area for sheer diversity beats what you can find in 
> either Mallorca and Girona. Even then their hills aren't comparable to what 
> I'd find in the Bay Area. Bay Area mountains are suitable preparation for 
> the alps or the Sierras. Everything in Mallorca and Girona is gentle by 
> comparison. But of course, that means that Bay Area cyclists regularly need 
> low gears (24x36 back in the pre-1x drivetrain days, 40x51 or 38x51 
> nowadays) that other locations do not require. Some people find that to be 
> a bug and not a feature.
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:17 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>> Well, LONELY PLANET disagrees, with this to say: 
>>
>> https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/best-places-for-a-cycling-holiday
>>
>> I've lived both places as cyclist, and confirm LP. Athens, with its 
>> year-round warm sunny days, an endless matrix of beautiful quiet country 
>> lanes (i.e. no traffic), delightful hills (mountains neaby), pine forests, 
>> no traffic is a cycling wonderland like no other. Not comparable. Add the 
>> music, UGA for culture, enviable culinary arts, ticks all the boxes. 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/albums/72157709138882807
>>
>> Jock Dewey
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:21:17 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It's not hype. The Bay Area has the best winter cycling in the world. 
>>> But you don't have to live here to enjoy it --- come visit for a few days 
>>> in winter with your bike. It's not a coincidence that the spate of outdoor 
>>> companies in the 1980s (Patagonia, Power Bar, Clif Bar, Specialized, 
>>> Ritchey, North Face, in addition to Rivendell) all started here.
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 6:44:30 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I enjoy watching those videos as well! I could never keep up with he or 
 Ms Cools but those rides look beautiful! 

 On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:54:47 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:

> Dude living in San Francisco here: it’s pretty great 💅🏻
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:26:54 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> At this time of the year I have to admit that I'm a bit jealous of 
>> cyclists who live in California, especially in the the NoCal area of the 
>> "Frisco" bay.  Lately I've been leering enviously at YouTube videos 
>> posted 
>> by "Henry Wildberry" where he and his riding companion(s) are cycling up 
>> and down some excellent North Bay area hilly/mountainous paths and roads 
>> equipped with little more than "fair weather" garments vs. what we have 
>> to 
>> wear in the Midwest Winters. Makes me want to move there...but not 
>> really.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[藍俊彪]

I've been to Athens. It definitely doesn't have mountains comparable to
what you can find in the Santa Cruz mountains. The sheer variety of terrain
from desert to open fields to redwood forests in the Bay Area beats Athens.
For food, try getting great Asian food (Chinese, Japanese and Indian) in
Athens. It's not even close. I will say that the archaeological/ancient
monuments in Athens beats the heck out of anything in the Bay Area. I'd say
that music in the Bay Area can be pretty good, but not being big on
nightlife I can't say that I'd be authoritative on it.

For cycling, the only places I think are comparable (still a step down) are
Mallorca and Girona in Spain. I did a superlative trip to those places
before the pandemic (
https://blog.piaw.net/2019/05/index-2019-mallorca-and-girona-fixed.html),
and they are outstanding because the number of cyclists in Mallorca feels
like you're in a century ride every day (cyclists outnumber car drivers on
most of the mountain roads!), and the large number of hotels/apartments in
the area means you get very good prices for lodging. But I'd still say that
the food in the Bay Area for sheer diversity beats what you can find in
either Mallorca and Girona. Even then their hills aren't comparable to what
I'd find in the Bay Area. Bay Area mountains are suitable preparation for
the alps or the Sierras. Everything in Mallorca and Girona is gentle by
comparison. But of course, that means that Bay Area cyclists regularly need
low gears (24x36 back in the pre-1x drivetrain days, 40x51 or 38x51
nowadays) that other locations do not require. Some people find that to be
a bug and not a feature.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:17 AM John Dewey  wrote:

> Well, LONELY PLANET disagrees, with this to say:
>
> https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/best-places-for-a-cycling-holiday
>
> I've lived both places as cyclist, and confirm LP. Athens, with its
> year-round warm sunny days, an endless matrix of beautiful quiet country
> lanes (i.e. no traffic), delightful hills (mountains neaby), pine forests,
> no traffic is a cycling wonderland like no other. Not comparable. Add the
> music, UGA for culture, enviable culinary arts, ticks all the boxes.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/albums/72157709138882807
>
> Jock Dewey
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:21:17 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's not hype. The Bay Area has the best winter cycling in the world. But
>> you don't have to live here to enjoy it --- come visit for a few days in
>> winter with your bike. It's not a coincidence that the spate of outdoor
>> companies in the 1980s (Patagonia, Power Bar, Clif Bar, Specialized,
>> Ritchey, North Face, in addition to Rivendell) all started here.
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 6:44:30 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I enjoy watching those videos as well! I could never keep up with he or
>>> Ms Cools but those rides look beautiful!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:54:47 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dude living in San Francisco here: it’s pretty great 💅🏻

 On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:26:54 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> At this time of the year I have to admit that I'm a bit jealous of
> cyclists who live in California, especially in the the NoCal area of the
> "Frisco" bay.  Lately I've been leering enviously at YouTube videos posted
> by "Henry Wildberry" where he and his riding companion(s) are cycling up
> and down some excellent North Bay area hilly/mountainous paths and roads
> equipped with little more than "fair weather" garments vs. what we have to
> wear in the Midwest Winters. Makes me want to move there...but not really.

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Ahmed Elgasseir]

I’m in San Mateo but would be interested in joining in. :)

Ahmed

On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 11:21 AM nicholas price 
wrote:

> I’m also in Nob Hill. Will be out of town for new years but would be happy
> to meet up for a later ride.
>
> Nicholas.
>
> On Dec 14, 2022, at 07:51, Brendan Willard in SF 
> wrote:
>
> I'm in Nob Hill, SF.  I'll be in Hawaii until the 10th, but count me in
> for future rides anywhere in the Bay Area.
>
> Brendan
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:27:01 AM UTC-8 Slin wrote:
>
>> Luke  - I won't be in town for the 31/1st, but I'll join in on later
>> dates for sure!
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:17:05 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Eric – it’d be fun to ch3ck out your neck of the woods.
>>>
>>> Jay – into it. Also suuuper game for Marin-based rides, too. I love it
>>> up there. Just did Bolinas Ridge on my Atlantis.
>>>
>>> Zac – sick!
>>>
>>> It goes without saying that having a Riv or riding a Riv to hang out is
>>> super not required.
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:41:58 PM UTC-8 zac.te...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 into it. 31st or 1st works for me if it gets nailed down.

 On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:08:17 PM UTC-8 Jay P wrote:

> I'd also appreciate the invitation for Bay Area rides and to meet some
> of yous
>
> Jay P
>
> Marin
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:16:48 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all! I know that it’s been a bit wet & cold, but I’d love to see
>> if anyone would want to have a little ride in the coming week(s). Perhaps
>> even a New Year’s day ride to celebrate in the new year in style?
>>
>> I’m in the City proper and was thinking about some mixed terrain
>> around town while keeping it mostly road-ish so that no one’s limited by
>> the ride route. Pastries + hot drinks + more snacks?
>>
>> I’d love to hear from anyone interested or even connect with other
>> like-minded people for more than just a one-off ride. 💕
>>
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[RBW] For Sale - Brooks B67, $125.00 shipped

[Richard Rose]

I had this on my Clem for a couple hundred miles. Loved it but was gifted a 
B17 which to my surprise I liked even more. Genuinely like new with 
possible exception of rail markings from seat post clamp. Pics to follow in 
comments.

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[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[greenteadrinkers]

Brian, here are a few places one of my friends likes to go:

https://floridahikes.com/florida-trail-croom-hiking-trail
https://alafiatrails.com/
https://www.floridastateparks.org/learn/biking-cross-florida-greenway

Some of that seems a bit more intense mnt. bike stuff, but some of those 
areas are just fun to spend a day on the green and blue trails.

>From what I gather the "Croom" area is supposed to be amazing.
-Scott

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:18:34 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ryan, thank you! Regarding the Pec Deck, I didn't actually buy the "bag 'o 
> parts" Ronnie was selling on his site for $75... I had enough spare rack 
> struts and Nitto daruma bolts to make the exact same thing. The only thing 
> I changed was upgrading to a solid 3/8" aluminum rod (from McMaster) for 
> the cross piece (I was previously using just a long Nitto strut). As I'm 
> sure you've experienced, the rackless support method is pretty rock solid, 
> and I find it's no less solid with the Edelux attached. Maybe there's a 
> slight bit more bounce to the light when riding at night, but it's honestly 
> hardly noticeable. I'm using the standard Nitto light mount for rack struts.
>
> -Brian
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:05:19 AM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the kind words, Paul and Scott! The past two winters, my wife 
>> and I spent our Jan - Feb on a barrier island called Anna Maria Island. 
>> It's close to Bradenton / Sarasota, and basically within the Tampa Bay / 
>> St. Pete area, but you have to drive all the way around the bay to get to 
>> it. Her parents own property there, so we can take our dogs and our bikes 
>> and work remotely from there. The first year was full-on pandemic, so we 
>> kinda laid low. Last year, we made more of an effort to get out on our 
>> bikes and find places to ride. Mostly just day trips to gravel routes out 
>> on the prairie. A couple of places I found that were nice and within an 
>> hour's drive or so were Myakka River State Park, and Duette Preserve. I 
>> didn't really find any good overnight options, and would prefer to do those 
>> with others even if I did. However, this year I contacted a group out of 
>> Orlando that does monthly s24o rides and coffeeoutside events. My plan is 
>> to do a couple of rides with them, even though it's a bit further of a 
>> drive from where we are living than I would like. I'm certainly open to 
>> other recommendations if anyone familiar with the area has any!
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:32:00 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome setup and perfect kit, Brian. Thanks for sharing. Where are you 
>>> planning to camp in Florida? I'm always interested in spots to check out 
>>> down there.
>>>
>>> I'm  really eager to get my Gus out on an overnight sometime soon, and 
>>> there's a chance I'll make it to the state park on Saint Joe Penninsula 
>>>  in early January, but I've 
>>> barely had a chance to figure out how I'd carry my gear, and I'd have to 
>>> get it all sorted by this Saturday. I had a full frame bag on my Jones, and 
>>> I pack a little heavier than you, so I expect panniers might be in order, 
>>> so maybe just a nice coffee outside outing around there somewhere will 
>>> scratch the itch until it warms up here in the Ozarks.
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:05:39 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to see Brendon's clever use of that 
 half-frame bag. In that case, the shortened section of fender is crucial 
 to 
 keep it off the tire. 

 Re: my camping setup, I've been bikepacking since about 2010, so I've 
 had a good amount of time to acquire and test stuff out, and of course 
 everything gets better and lighter and smaller each year. Over the years 
 I've tried to whittle my kit down to the stuff that works best for me 
 without any extraneous gear. Here's a basic setup for about 3 seasons 
 here. 
 Of course, things can get bulkier and heavier in the Winter, so I adjust 
 as 
 needed:

 Saddlebag:
 tent (Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 solo tent - bikepacking version with 
 the short poles)
 Thermarest seat pad
 Lezyne micro floor drive HV pump
 tire kit (spare tube, tubeless repair kit, 2oz bottle of sealant, 
 digital pressure gauge)
 tool kit
 small, lightweight bike lock (Abus Bordo Lite 6055)
 change of clothes (usually minimal)
 rain jacket and/or Patagonia Nano Puff depending on weather

 Handlebar bag:
 Big Agnes 45 deg down bag (there's no insulation in the bottom so it 
 works like a quilt with a sleeve for a sleep pad)
 Nemo Tensor insulated inflatable pad
 Nemo Fillo Elite pillow
 first aid kit
 basic cook kit (MSR Pocket Rocket, Snowpeak solo Ti pot, fuel canister, 
 Opinel knife, long-handled Ti spoon)

[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[Brian Turner]

Ryan, thank you! Regarding the Pec Deck, I didn't actually buy the "bag 'o 
parts" Ronnie was selling on his site for $75... I had enough spare rack 
struts and Nitto daruma bolts to make the exact same thing. The only thing 
I changed was upgrading to a solid 3/8" aluminum rod (from McMaster) for 
the cross piece (I was previously using just a long Nitto strut). As I'm 
sure you've experienced, the rackless support method is pretty rock solid, 
and I find it's no less solid with the Edelux attached. Maybe there's a 
slight bit more bounce to the light when riding at night, but it's honestly 
hardly noticeable. I'm using the standard Nitto light mount for rack struts.

-Brian

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:05:19 AM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words, Paul and Scott! The past two winters, my wife 
> and I spent our Jan - Feb on a barrier island called Anna Maria Island. 
> It's close to Bradenton / Sarasota, and basically within the Tampa Bay / 
> St. Pete area, but you have to drive all the way around the bay to get to 
> it. Her parents own property there, so we can take our dogs and our bikes 
> and work remotely from there. The first year was full-on pandemic, so we 
> kinda laid low. Last year, we made more of an effort to get out on our 
> bikes and find places to ride. Mostly just day trips to gravel routes out 
> on the prairie. A couple of places I found that were nice and within an 
> hour's drive or so were Myakka River State Park, and Duette Preserve. I 
> didn't really find any good overnight options, and would prefer to do those 
> with others even if I did. However, this year I contacted a group out of 
> Orlando that does monthly s24o rides and coffeeoutside events. My plan is 
> to do a couple of rides with them, even though it's a bit further of a 
> drive from where we are living than I would like. I'm certainly open to 
> other recommendations if anyone familiar with the area has any!
> -Brian
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:32:00 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Awesome setup and perfect kit, Brian. Thanks for sharing. Where are you 
>> planning to camp in Florida? I'm always interested in spots to check out 
>> down there.
>>
>> I'm  really eager to get my Gus out on an overnight sometime soon, and 
>> there's a chance I'll make it to the state park on Saint Joe Penninsula 
>>  in early January, but I've 
>> barely had a chance to figure out how I'd carry my gear, and I'd have to 
>> get it all sorted by this Saturday. I had a full frame bag on my Jones, and 
>> I pack a little heavier than you, so I expect panniers might be in order, 
>> so maybe just a nice coffee outside outing around there somewhere will 
>> scratch the itch until it warms up here in the Ozarks.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:05:39 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to see Brendon's clever use of that 
>>> half-frame bag. In that case, the shortened section of fender is crucial to 
>>> keep it off the tire. 
>>>
>>> Re: my camping setup, I've been bikepacking since about 2010, so I've 
>>> had a good amount of time to acquire and test stuff out, and of course 
>>> everything gets better and lighter and smaller each year. Over the years 
>>> I've tried to whittle my kit down to the stuff that works best for me 
>>> without any extraneous gear. Here's a basic setup for about 3 seasons here. 
>>> Of course, things can get bulkier and heavier in the Winter, so I adjust as 
>>> needed:
>>>
>>> Saddlebag:
>>> tent (Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 solo tent - bikepacking version with 
>>> the short poles)
>>> Thermarest seat pad
>>> Lezyne micro floor drive HV pump
>>> tire kit (spare tube, tubeless repair kit, 2oz bottle of sealant, 
>>> digital pressure gauge)
>>> tool kit
>>> small, lightweight bike lock (Abus Bordo Lite 6055)
>>> change of clothes (usually minimal)
>>> rain jacket and/or Patagonia Nano Puff depending on weather
>>>
>>> Handlebar bag:
>>> Big Agnes 45 deg down bag (there's no insulation in the bottom so it 
>>> works like a quilt with a sleeve for a sleep pad)
>>> Nemo Tensor insulated inflatable pad
>>> Nemo Fillo Elite pillow
>>> first aid kit
>>> basic cook kit (MSR Pocket Rocket, Snowpeak solo Ti pot, fuel canister, 
>>> Opinel knife, long-handled Ti spoon)
>>> Aeropress Go + 1-2 days worth of coffee - fits in side pocket of bag
>>> Electronics (battery bank, headlamp, charging cables) - fits in side 
>>> pocket of bag
>>> Food (typically I go minimalist and use Good To Go meals, or similar 
>>> dehydrated prepared meals)
>>>
>>> Snacks, electrolyte tabs, and phone typically go in the stem bag or top 
>>> tube bag
>>>
>>> I think that's everything. Happy to answer any questions about specific 
>>> items!
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:50:45 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Also very curious to know a typical camping set up and pa

[RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[John Dewey]

Well, LONELY PLANET disagrees, with this to say: 

https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/best-places-for-a-cycling-holiday

I've lived both places as cyclist, and confirm LP. Athens, with its 
year-round warm sunny days, an endless matrix of beautiful quiet country 
lanes (i.e. no traffic), delightful hills (mountains neaby), pine forests, 
no traffic is a cycling wonderland like no other. Not comparable. Add the 
music, UGA for culture, enviable culinary arts, ticks all the boxes. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/albums/72157709138882807

Jock Dewey


On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:21:17 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's not hype. The Bay Area has the best winter cycling in the world. But 
> you don't have to live here to enjoy it --- come visit for a few days in 
> winter with your bike. It's not a coincidence that the spate of outdoor 
> companies in the 1980s (Patagonia, Power Bar, Clif Bar, Specialized, 
> Ritchey, North Face, in addition to Rivendell) all started here.
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 6:44:30 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I enjoy watching those videos as well! I could never keep up with he or 
>> Ms Cools but those rides look beautiful! 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:54:47 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Dude living in San Francisco here: it’s pretty great 💅🏻
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:26:54 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 At this time of the year I have to admit that I'm a bit jealous of 
 cyclists who live in California, especially in the the NoCal area of the 
 "Frisco" bay.  Lately I've been leering enviously at YouTube videos posted 
 by "Henry Wildberry" where he and his riding companion(s) are cycling up 
 and down some excellent North Bay area hilly/mountainous paths and roads 
 equipped with little more than "fair weather" garments vs. what we have to 
 wear in the Midwest Winters. Makes me want to move there...but not really.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[Mike Godwin]

Or make your winter riding destination the Central Coast of California, San 
Luis Obispo for winter riding. Less traffic, same great riding weather!

Mike SLO CA 
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:21:17 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's not hype. The Bay Area has the best winter cycling in the world. But 
> you don't have to live here to enjoy it --- come visit for a few days in 
> winter with your bike. It's not a coincidence that the spate of outdoor 
> companies in the 1980s (Patagonia, Power Bar, Clif Bar, Specialized, 
> Ritchey, North Face, in addition to Rivendell) all started here.
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 6:44:30 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I enjoy watching those videos as well! I could never keep up with he or 
>> Ms Cools but those rides look beautiful! 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:54:47 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Dude living in San Francisco here: it’s pretty great 💅🏻
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:26:54 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 At this time of the year I have to admit that I'm a bit jealous of 
 cyclists who live in California, especially in the the NoCal area of the 
 "Frisco" bay.  Lately I've been leering enviously at YouTube videos posted 
 by "Henry Wildberry" where he and his riding companion(s) are cycling up 
 and down some excellent North Bay area hilly/mountainous paths and roads 
 equipped with little more than "fair weather" garments vs. what we have to 
 wear in the Midwest Winters. Makes me want to move there...but not really.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - 2002 Size 60 Rambouillet

[Mike Godwin]

Nice Michael. I have the same crank that is on my Roadeo. Picked it up long 
ago at the Cow Palace bike swap meet for 30 bucks. 
Mike SLO CA
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:47:22 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:

> Beautiful, enjoy it, these older Rivendell bikes are my preferred models. 
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:19:24 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> I haven't had a proper Riv for about 5 years and had been itching for a 
>> simple, rackless bike to take out on mid-day rides with no destination in 
>> mind. I picked this up from a seller on Pinkbike. Aside from the 
>> wheels/drivetrain, I've switched up everything else about the build. I 
>> especially like the aesthetic of the lugged stem/seatpost with the lugs of 
>> the frame, so many lugs! Frame has the expected paint rubs and an 
>> unexpected small dent in the top tube, but hey, beausage! Now I don't have 
>> to be so precious with it. I'm very curious how it will ride compared with 
>> my 650b Rando Fitz. 
>>
>> It's currently kitted out with 48 Noodles, but may switch to Mustache 
>> which I'm finding I like more and more. I've got 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires in 
>> there now with very little fender room to spare. I may go with 32mm tires 
>> and fender it up for the winter and put 35s back on for the summer. I think 
>> the wheels are stock Dura Ace 9sp era hubs. The TA cranks are gorgeous, 
>> though I'll likely switch them out for WI Road Cranks. I also haven't used 
>> DT shifters in at least 10 years, so am excited to try out the Silver 
>> Shifters on here.
>>
>> My ultimate plan is to build up a 700c SS wheelset with WI ENO Eccentric 
>> hub. After seeing Will's blog post yesterday about his SS Roadini, my plans 
>> solidified. Minneapolis is currently under 6" of fresh snow with single 
>> digit temps in the forecast, so haven't gotten this out for a test ride yet.
>>
>> Mike in Minneapolis
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9zLj1t3dUEogv88a8
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[Brian Turner]

Thanks for the kind words, Paul and Scott! The past two winters, my wife 
and I spent our Jan - Feb on a barrier island called Anna Maria Island. 
It's close to Bradenton / Sarasota, and basically within the Tampa Bay / 
St. Pete area, but you have to drive all the way around the bay to get to 
it. Her parents own property there, so we can take our dogs and our bikes 
and work remotely from there. The first year was full-on pandemic, so we 
kinda laid low. Last year, we made more of an effort to get out on our 
bikes and find places to ride. Mostly just day trips to gravel routes out 
on the prairie. A couple of places I found that were nice and within an 
hour's drive or so were Myakka River State Park, and Duette Preserve. I 
didn't really find any good overnight options, and would prefer to do those 
with others even if I did. However, this year I contacted a group out of 
Orlando that does monthly s24o rides and coffeeoutside events. My plan is 
to do a couple of rides with them, even though it's a bit further of a 
drive from where we are living than I would like. I'm certainly open to 
other recommendations if anyone familiar with the area has any!
-Brian

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:32:00 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Awesome setup and perfect kit, Brian. Thanks for sharing. Where are you 
> planning to camp in Florida? I'm always interested in spots to check out 
> down there.
>
> I'm  really eager to get my Gus out on an overnight sometime soon, and 
> there's a chance I'll make it to the state park on Saint Joe Penninsula 
>  in early January, but I've barely 
> had a chance to figure out how I'd carry my gear, and I'd have to get it 
> all sorted by this Saturday. I had a full frame bag on my Jones, and I pack 
> a little heavier than you, so I expect panniers might be in order, so maybe 
> just a nice coffee outside outing around there somewhere will scratch the 
> itch until it warms up here in the Ozarks.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:05:39 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to see Brendon's clever use of that 
>> half-frame bag. In that case, the shortened section of fender is crucial to 
>> keep it off the tire. 
>>
>> Re: my camping setup, I've been bikepacking since about 2010, so I've had 
>> a good amount of time to acquire and test stuff out, and of course 
>> everything gets better and lighter and smaller each year. Over the years 
>> I've tried to whittle my kit down to the stuff that works best for me 
>> without any extraneous gear. Here's a basic setup for about 3 seasons here. 
>> Of course, things can get bulkier and heavier in the Winter, so I adjust as 
>> needed:
>>
>> Saddlebag:
>> tent (Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 solo tent - bikepacking version with 
>> the short poles)
>> Thermarest seat pad
>> Lezyne micro floor drive HV pump
>> tire kit (spare tube, tubeless repair kit, 2oz bottle of sealant, digital 
>> pressure gauge)
>> tool kit
>> small, lightweight bike lock (Abus Bordo Lite 6055)
>> change of clothes (usually minimal)
>> rain jacket and/or Patagonia Nano Puff depending on weather
>>
>> Handlebar bag:
>> Big Agnes 45 deg down bag (there's no insulation in the bottom so it 
>> works like a quilt with a sleeve for a sleep pad)
>> Nemo Tensor insulated inflatable pad
>> Nemo Fillo Elite pillow
>> first aid kit
>> basic cook kit (MSR Pocket Rocket, Snowpeak solo Ti pot, fuel canister, 
>> Opinel knife, long-handled Ti spoon)
>> Aeropress Go + 1-2 days worth of coffee - fits in side pocket of bag
>> Electronics (battery bank, headlamp, charging cables) - fits in side 
>> pocket of bag
>> Food (typically I go minimalist and use Good To Go meals, or similar 
>> dehydrated prepared meals)
>>
>> Snacks, electrolyte tabs, and phone typically go in the stem bag or top 
>> tube bag
>>
>> I think that's everything. Happy to answer any questions about specific 
>> items!
>> -Brian
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:50:45 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Also very curious to know a typical camping set up and pack list for the 
>>> low weight you describe hauling :) 
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:49:53 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 Nice rig, Brian! 

 I'm reminded of Brendon's seat-tube bag on his Susie, this was the best 
 picture I could find. I believe it's a repurposed top tube bag. 

 [image: DSC_0190.jpg]

 On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:53:51 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:

> Goddamn that’s SICK
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:00:09 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What a beautiful setup! I can’t wait to see pictures from the next 
>> trip! I’ll be watching to see what the bag behind the seat tube comes 
>> out 
>> like, I’ve definitely been interested in using that space. 
>>
>> Is your light mount solid on the makeshift Pec Deck? I 

[RBW] Will's Roadini SS

[Ryan]

Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant

And Will's post : 
https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045&mc_eid=0074b52ae1
 
nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - 2002 Size 60 Rambouillet

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Beautiful, enjoy it, these older Rivendell bikes are my preferred models. 

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:19:24 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> I haven't had a proper Riv for about 5 years and had been itching for a 
> simple, rackless bike to take out on mid-day rides with no destination in 
> mind. I picked this up from a seller on Pinkbike. Aside from the 
> wheels/drivetrain, I've switched up everything else about the build. I 
> especially like the aesthetic of the lugged stem/seatpost with the lugs of 
> the frame, so many lugs! Frame has the expected paint rubs and an 
> unexpected small dent in the top tube, but hey, beausage! Now I don't have 
> to be so precious with it. I'm very curious how it will ride compared with 
> my 650b Rando Fitz. 
>
> It's currently kitted out with 48 Noodles, but may switch to Mustache 
> which I'm finding I like more and more. I've got 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires in 
> there now with very little fender room to spare. I may go with 32mm tires 
> and fender it up for the winter and put 35s back on for the summer. I think 
> the wheels are stock Dura Ace 9sp era hubs. The TA cranks are gorgeous, 
> though I'll likely switch them out for WI Road Cranks. I also haven't used 
> DT shifters in at least 10 years, so am excited to try out the Silver 
> Shifters on here.
>
> My ultimate plan is to build up a 700c SS wheelset with WI ENO Eccentric 
> hub. After seeing Will's blog post yesterday about his SS Roadini, my plans 
> solidified. Minneapolis is currently under 6" of fresh snow with single 
> digit temps in the forecast, so haven't gotten this out for a test ride yet.
>
> Mike in Minneapolis
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9zLj1t3dUEogv88a8
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[Paul Clifton]

Awesome setup and perfect kit, Brian. Thanks for sharing. Where are you 
planning to camp in Florida? I'm always interested in spots to check out 
down there.

I'm  really eager to get my Gus out on an overnight sometime soon, and 
there's a chance I'll make it to the state park on Saint Joe Penninsula 
 in early January, but I've barely 
had a chance to figure out how I'd carry my gear, and I'd have to get it 
all sorted by this Saturday. I had a full frame bag on my Jones, and I pack 
a little heavier than you, so I expect panniers might be in order, so maybe 
just a nice coffee outside outing around there somewhere will scratch the 
itch until it warms up here in the Ozarks.

Paul in AR

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:05:39 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to see Brendon's clever use of that 
> half-frame bag. In that case, the shortened section of fender is crucial to 
> keep it off the tire. 
>
> Re: my camping setup, I've been bikepacking since about 2010, so I've had 
> a good amount of time to acquire and test stuff out, and of course 
> everything gets better and lighter and smaller each year. Over the years 
> I've tried to whittle my kit down to the stuff that works best for me 
> without any extraneous gear. Here's a basic setup for about 3 seasons here. 
> Of course, things can get bulkier and heavier in the Winter, so I adjust as 
> needed:
>
> Saddlebag:
> tent (Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 solo tent - bikepacking version with 
> the short poles)
> Thermarest seat pad
> Lezyne micro floor drive HV pump
> tire kit (spare tube, tubeless repair kit, 2oz bottle of sealant, digital 
> pressure gauge)
> tool kit
> small, lightweight bike lock (Abus Bordo Lite 6055)
> change of clothes (usually minimal)
> rain jacket and/or Patagonia Nano Puff depending on weather
>
> Handlebar bag:
> Big Agnes 45 deg down bag (there's no insulation in the bottom so it works 
> like a quilt with a sleeve for a sleep pad)
> Nemo Tensor insulated inflatable pad
> Nemo Fillo Elite pillow
> first aid kit
> basic cook kit (MSR Pocket Rocket, Snowpeak solo Ti pot, fuel canister, 
> Opinel knife, long-handled Ti spoon)
> Aeropress Go + 1-2 days worth of coffee - fits in side pocket of bag
> Electronics (battery bank, headlamp, charging cables) - fits in side 
> pocket of bag
> Food (typically I go minimalist and use Good To Go meals, or similar 
> dehydrated prepared meals)
>
> Snacks, electrolyte tabs, and phone typically go in the stem bag or top 
> tube bag
>
> I think that's everything. Happy to answer any questions about specific 
> items!
> -Brian
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:50:45 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Also very curious to know a typical camping set up and pack list for the 
>> low weight you describe hauling :) 
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:49:53 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Nice rig, Brian! 
>>>
>>> I'm reminded of Brendon's seat-tube bag on his Susie, this was the best 
>>> picture I could find. I believe it's a repurposed top tube bag. 
>>>
>>> [image: DSC_0190.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:53:51 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Goddamn that’s SICK

 On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:00:09 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> What a beautiful setup! I can’t wait to see pictures from the next 
> trip! I’ll be watching to see what the bag behind the seat tube comes out 
> like, I’ve definitely been interested in using that space. 
>
> Is your light mount solid on the makeshift Pec Deck? I was thinking 
> about doing that as well but thought it might not be super stable. I have 
> it mounted with the stock mount the Edelux came with but haven’t had a 
> chance to test it very much. It has been studded riding for weeks and I 
> have those on the Clem with fenders… Loving your setup!
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think I've finally gotten my bikepacking setup dialed in on my Gus, 
>> and thought I'd share. My previous efforts were a bit slapdash, but I'm 
>> planning on a couple of overnighters down in Florida this winter and 
>> want 
>> to take Gus with me. After all, that's what I bought this bike for (I 
>> replaced my old Surly Troll with this Gus for off-road bikepacking).
>>
>> 8.5 lbs in the rear, and 5.5 lbs up front. I haven't factored in food 
>> and clothing, but this is my typical weight distribution.
>>
>> All bags are supported; the rear BxB Goldback is secured to my saddle 
>> via a Carradice Bagman QR, and is primarily supported by the R14. The 
>> front 
>> Fab's Chest is supported by my makeshift "Pec Deck", which also 
>> conveniently holds my Edelux. I'm also currently working with Andy 
>> Schmidt 
>> from Lord's Luggage in Portland to design a prototype 

[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[greenteadrinkers]

That's a really nice setup! If you don't mind my asking, what region of FL 
are you planning for your overnighters? I used to live in Tampa and St. 
Pete back in the late '90s. One of my friends mentioned there's an amazing 
stretch from Tampa that cuts across the state, at one time it was going to 
be a waterway or something to that effect, but became an abandoned project. 
Now it's supposedly an amazing off-road wonderland/route. There's also a 
ferry you can take between Tampa and St. Pete, It's the same ferry used to 
get back and forth to and from Martha's Vineyard during summer.
-Scott

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:05:39 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to see Brendon's clever use of that 
> half-frame bag. In that case, the shortened section of fender is crucial to 
> keep it off the tire. 
>
> Re: my camping setup, I've been bikepacking since about 2010, so I've had 
> a good amount of time to acquire and test stuff out, and of course 
> everything gets better and lighter and smaller each year. Over the years 
> I've tried to whittle my kit down to the stuff that works best for me 
> without any extraneous gear. Here's a basic setup for about 3 seasons here. 
> Of course, things can get bulkier and heavier in the Winter, so I adjust as 
> needed:
>
> Saddlebag:
> tent (Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 solo tent - bikepacking version with 
> the short poles)
> Thermarest seat pad
> Lezyne micro floor drive HV pump
> tire kit (spare tube, tubeless repair kit, 2oz bottle of sealant, digital 
> pressure gauge)
> tool kit
> small, lightweight bike lock (Abus Bordo Lite 6055)
> change of clothes (usually minimal)
> rain jacket and/or Patagonia Nano Puff depending on weather
>
> Handlebar bag:
> Big Agnes 45 deg down bag (there's no insulation in the bottom so it works 
> like a quilt with a sleeve for a sleep pad)
> Nemo Tensor insulated inflatable pad
> Nemo Fillo Elite pillow
> first aid kit
> basic cook kit (MSR Pocket Rocket, Snowpeak solo Ti pot, fuel canister, 
> Opinel knife, long-handled Ti spoon)
> Aeropress Go + 1-2 days worth of coffee - fits in side pocket of bag
> Electronics (battery bank, headlamp, charging cables) - fits in side 
> pocket of bag
> Food (typically I go minimalist and use Good To Go meals, or similar 
> dehydrated prepared meals)
>
> Snacks, electrolyte tabs, and phone typically go in the stem bag or top 
> tube bag
>
> I think that's everything. Happy to answer any questions about specific 
> items!
> -Brian
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:50:45 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Also very curious to know a typical camping set up and pack list for the 
>> low weight you describe hauling :) 
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:49:53 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Nice rig, Brian! 
>>>
>>> I'm reminded of Brendon's seat-tube bag on his Susie, this was the best 
>>> picture I could find. I believe it's a repurposed top tube bag. 
>>>
>>> [image: DSC_0190.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:53:51 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Goddamn that’s SICK

 On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:00:09 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> What a beautiful setup! I can’t wait to see pictures from the next 
> trip! I’ll be watching to see what the bag behind the seat tube comes out 
> like, I’ve definitely been interested in using that space. 
>
> Is your light mount solid on the makeshift Pec Deck? I was thinking 
> about doing that as well but thought it might not be super stable. I have 
> it mounted with the stock mount the Edelux came with but haven’t had a 
> chance to test it very much. It has been studded riding for weeks and I 
> have those on the Clem with fenders… Loving your setup!
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think I've finally gotten my bikepacking setup dialed in on my Gus, 
>> and thought I'd share. My previous efforts were a bit slapdash, but I'm 
>> planning on a couple of overnighters down in Florida this winter and 
>> want 
>> to take Gus with me. After all, that's what I bought this bike for (I 
>> replaced my old Surly Troll with this Gus for off-road bikepacking).
>>
>> 8.5 lbs in the rear, and 5.5 lbs up front. I haven't factored in food 
>> and clothing, but this is my typical weight distribution.
>>
>> All bags are supported; the rear BxB Goldback is secured to my saddle 
>> via a Carradice Bagman QR, and is primarily supported by the R14. The 
>> front 
>> Fab's Chest is supported by my makeshift "Pec Deck", which also 
>> conveniently holds my Edelux. I'm also currently working with Andy 
>> Schmidt 
>> from Lord's Luggage in Portland to design a prototype frame bag for the 
>> space behind the seat tube on Gus and Susies - more to come on that 
>> early 
>> next year!
>>
>

[RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[Piaw Na]

It's not hype. The Bay Area has the best winter cycling in the world. But 
you don't have to live here to enjoy it --- come visit for a few days in 
winter with your bike. It's not a coincidence that the spate of outdoor 
companies in the 1980s (Patagonia, Power Bar, Clif Bar, Specialized, 
Ritchey, North Face, in addition to Rivendell) all started here.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 6:44:30 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I enjoy watching those videos as well! I could never keep up with he or Ms 
> Cools but those rides look beautiful! 
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:54:47 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Dude living in San Francisco here: it’s pretty great 💅🏻
>>
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:26:54 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> At this time of the year I have to admit that I'm a bit jealous of 
>>> cyclists who live in California, especially in the the NoCal area of the 
>>> "Frisco" bay.  Lately I've been leering enviously at YouTube videos posted 
>>> by "Henry Wildberry" where he and his riding companion(s) are cycling up 
>>> and down some excellent North Bay area hilly/mountainous paths and roads 
>>> equipped with little more than "fair weather" garments vs. what we have to 
>>> wear in the Midwest Winters. Makes me want to move there...but not really.
>>
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day - 2002 Size 60 Rambouillet

[MoVelo]

Max & Mike - those are both very nice. Orange is the fastest color!

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:14:19 AM UTC-6 maxcr wrote:

> Beautiful bike Michael, congrats! 
>
> I must say I felt a bit of deja vu because I also recently bought a 60 Ram 
> frame on ebay and I just finished building up. I used all the components 
> from my custom road (which I sold last year) which were also inherited from 
> other builds.
>
> I love this: "rackless bike to take out on mid-day rides with no 
> destination in mind" - I have similar hopes for mine.
>
> This is the first bike I've built myself from the frame up, but I feel 
> like I cheated because most of the components from the custom just worked, 
> ie. bottom bracket, chain length, etc... otherwise those might have tricked 
> me up. There is still life in my jack browns, but I can't wait to try some 
> RH tires on it, I will stay with 32mm ish tires though, they feel fast and 
> I have other bikes with wider tires for other types of riding.
>
> I still have to figure out a better / more elegant solution for the 
> downtube bosses, I just didn't use ferrules because they didn't fit but 
> there must be something I'm missing - the shifting is fine though. I 
> ordered new 4mm ferrules (I think that's what Garth suggested on my other 
> thread) to see if that'll do it.
>
> The sad part is that I got sick right after building it, so I haven't 
> ridden it more than around the block. My first impression is that I want a 
> longer stem, we'll see. I hope the temperatures don't drop too fast so I 
> can ride before winter gets bad in Boston.
>
> [image: IMG_8925.jpeg]
> *The saddle isn't tilted up as much anymore and the handlebars came down a 
> bit.
>
> Max
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:40:49 AM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> Very nice bike, I also am a big fan of Nitto’s lugged seatpost and stem. 
>> Steve
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:19 AM Michael Ullmer  wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't had a proper Riv for about 5 years and had been itching for a 
>>> simple, rackless bike to take out on mid-day rides with no destination in 
>>> mind. I picked this up from a seller on Pinkbike. Aside from the 
>>> wheels/drivetrain, I've switched up everything else about the build. I 
>>> especially like the aesthetic of the lugged stem/seatpost with the lugs of 
>>> the frame, so many lugs! Frame has the expected paint rubs and an 
>>> unexpected small dent in the top tube, but hey, beausage! Now I don't have 
>>> to be so precious with it. I'm very curious how it will ride compared with 
>>> my 650b Rando Fitz. 
>>>
>>> It's currently kitted out with 48 Noodles, but may switch to Mustache 
>>> which I'm finding I like more and more. I've got 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires in 
>>> there now with very little fender room to spare. I may go with 32mm tires 
>>> and fender it up for the winter and put 35s back on for the summer. I think 
>>> the wheels are stock Dura Ace 9sp era hubs. The TA cranks are gorgeous, 
>>> though I'll likely switch them out for WI Road Cranks. I also haven't used 
>>> DT shifters in at least 10 years, so am excited to try out the Silver 
>>> Shifters on here.
>>>
>>> My ultimate plan is to build up a 700c SS wheelset with WI ENO Eccentric 
>>> hub. After seeing Will's blog post yesterday about his SS Roadini, my plans 
>>> solidified. Minneapolis is currently under 6" of fresh snow with single 
>>> digit temps in the forecast, so haven't gotten this out for a test ride yet.
>>>
>>> Mike in Minneapolis
>>>
>>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9zLj1t3dUEogv88a8
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[MoVelo]

Patrick-yes that 'sedate' feeling is a good way of explaining the Ram vs 
Legolas. 'Twitchy' maybe is a bit too negative for the Legolas. I steer 
mainly with my hips to innate a turn and both bikes then 'fall' into and 
complete the turn. The Ram is just a tiny bit slower at this than the 
Legolas. The fact that the Ram can fit 650x42s with fenders, has an 
additional water bottle mount and easily accommodates racks makes me love 
it and want to keep it for a long time. I certainly did not make a long 
range plan to have these two somewhat similar bikes in my life but here 
they are. Lovely to look at and lovely to ride. 

Brian- yes, the threading of the steerer tube and switching to a quill stem 
is the only component change I made to the bike. I believe you are correct 
in suggesting that raising the bars contributed to the difference. It 
continues to amaze me the subtle and sometimes minute changes made and 
their subsequent effect. Trying to quantify differences is complicated and 
I suspect a fair bit of subjectiveness creeps into the equation.  Your 
'experiments' sound similar to mine. 

Now that I have these two dialed, I too have the single speed bug. 
Thankfully $$ I already have a couple of frame options hanging in my garage.

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:20:44 PM UTC-6 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> I'd further suspect the act of simply raising the bars may additionally 
> contribute to some kind of anatomical/physiological relief.  In other 
> words, maybe allowing additional flex within your own system that may not 
> have been nearly as present with lower bars/posture.  This is purely 
> un-informed, non-scientific, speculation but having experienced several fit 
> issues of my own (primarily from just having too small frames for too long) 
> I've wondered whether some experiences of perceived stiffness may have been 
> more or less resulting from or increased by already present muscular 
> tension from a less than desirable riding posture/postion/grip, etc.  
>
> I tried numerous builds across a rotation of frames over a rather short 
> period of time before settling into my current small stable.  Some of these 
> short lived builds were just for fun, or to practice 
> wrenching/maintenance/troubleshooting, or just make use of parts/frames 
> that fell into my hands at the time, but I definitely found some that just 
> didn't work or feel right, without ever being able to directly attribute 
> the source.  It was a challenge to directly compare some, as a few became 
> nothing more than a seasonal special/flavor of the month or quickly moved 
> into other hands after build was complete (for a few hand me downs built 
> out of necessity and fueled by a growing parts stash.)  In hindsight there 
> were some missed opportunities there as some builds were rather impulsive 
> with an abundance of time/parts and lots of swapping/scavenging so 
> occasionally one build would be fully abandoned to feed another but I 
> definitely felt those quill vs. threadless flex differences on some but not 
> as much as expected on others.
>
> JP, out of curiosity, has the rest of the Legolas build otherwise remained 
> the same or were the steerer mods accompanied with further parts changes?
>
> As for my response/approach to the OP's initial question I guess I'd echo 
> the work and play sentiments mentioned above.  I already own a Clem H as 
> one of my theoretical two Rivs and it truthfully covers all of my immediate 
> and realistic cycling needs, whether for work/utility or play.  If adding a 
> 2nd to complement the Clem it would likely be a fully lugged country-bike 
> with the Clem serving as the more utilitarian hillibike.  I do not commute 
> by bike but most rides these days are for brief and local leisure rides 
> when time permits or errand running.  The fully lugged countrybike I 
> suppose I'd look to build as a simpler, lighter go-fast type bike but with 
> the ability to load it up when necessary.  Just not fully racked or 
> anything.  As mentioned in another thread, right around the time the 65cm 
> Clem H was on the verge of being released I was seriously considering 
> investing in a Hillborne or Hilsen as a one Riv and one bike solution, but 
> I was very pleased to discover the big Clem was forthcoming and joined the 
> presale without much hesitation.  I've since acquired two old, x-large 
> frames that have been great as countrybike stand-ins with builds that would 
> easily transfer or at least inspire a fresh build on something like the 
> current Hillborne (I especially like that limeolive) or MIT A.Homer Hilsen 
> but I'm really awaiting/anticipating the Roaduno release since I still 
> can't shake the single speed bug and it's really suited my local terrain 
> and riding habits:  mostly flat, multi-use paths, pavement, gravel with 
> some occasional off-road/underbiking, but nothing technical aside from a 
> ridiculously short stretch in the local park system which has actu

[RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[Ryan Frahm]

I enjoy watching those videos as well! I could never keep up with he or Ms 
Cools but those rides look beautiful! 

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:54:47 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Dude living in San Francisco here: it’s pretty great 💅🏻
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:26:54 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> At this time of the year I have to admit that I'm a bit jealous of 
>> cyclists who live in California, especially in the the NoCal area of the 
>> "Frisco" bay.  Lately I've been leering enviously at YouTube videos posted 
>> by "Henry Wildberry" where he and his riding companion(s) are cycling up 
>> and down some excellent North Bay area hilly/mountainous paths and roads 
>> equipped with little more than "fair weather" garments vs. what we have to 
>> wear in the Midwest Winters. Makes me want to move there...but not really.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[Brian Turner]

Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to see Brendon's clever use of that 
half-frame bag. In that case, the shortened section of fender is crucial to 
keep it off the tire. 

Re: my camping setup, I've been bikepacking since about 2010, so I've had a 
good amount of time to acquire and test stuff out, and of course everything 
gets better and lighter and smaller each year. Over the years I've tried to 
whittle my kit down to the stuff that works best for me without any 
extraneous gear. Here's a basic setup for about 3 seasons here. Of course, 
things can get bulkier and heavier in the Winter, so I adjust as needed:

Saddlebag:
tent (Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 solo tent - bikepacking version with the 
short poles)
Thermarest seat pad
Lezyne micro floor drive HV pump
tire kit (spare tube, tubeless repair kit, 2oz bottle of sealant, digital 
pressure gauge)
tool kit
small, lightweight bike lock (Abus Bordo Lite 6055)
change of clothes (usually minimal)
rain jacket and/or Patagonia Nano Puff depending on weather

Handlebar bag:
Big Agnes 45 deg down bag (there's no insulation in the bottom so it works 
like a quilt with a sleeve for a sleep pad)
Nemo Tensor insulated inflatable pad
Nemo Fillo Elite pillow
first aid kit
basic cook kit (MSR Pocket Rocket, Snowpeak solo Ti pot, fuel canister, 
Opinel knife, long-handled Ti spoon)
Aeropress Go + 1-2 days worth of coffee - fits in side pocket of bag
Electronics (battery bank, headlamp, charging cables) - fits in side pocket 
of bag
Food (typically I go minimalist and use Good To Go meals, or similar 
dehydrated prepared meals)

Snacks, electrolyte tabs, and phone typically go in the stem bag or top 
tube bag

I think that's everything. Happy to answer any questions about specific 
items!
-Brian


On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:50:45 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Also very curious to know a typical camping set up and pack list for the 
> low weight you describe hauling :) 
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:49:53 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Nice rig, Brian! 
>>
>> I'm reminded of Brendon's seat-tube bag on his Susie, this was the best 
>> picture I could find. I believe it's a repurposed top tube bag. 
>>
>> [image: DSC_0190.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:53:51 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Goddamn that’s SICK
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:00:09 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What a beautiful setup! I can’t wait to see pictures from the next 
 trip! I’ll be watching to see what the bag behind the seat tube comes out 
 like, I’ve definitely been interested in using that space. 

 Is your light mount solid on the makeshift Pec Deck? I was thinking 
 about doing that as well but thought it might not be super stable. I have 
 it mounted with the stock mount the Edelux came with but haven’t had a 
 chance to test it very much. It has been studded riding for weeks and I 
 have those on the Clem with fenders… Loving your setup!

 On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I think I've finally gotten my bikepacking setup dialed in on my Gus, 
> and thought I'd share. My previous efforts were a bit slapdash, but I'm 
> planning on a couple of overnighters down in Florida this winter and want 
> to take Gus with me. After all, that's what I bought this bike for (I 
> replaced my old Surly Troll with this Gus for off-road bikepacking).
>
> 8.5 lbs in the rear, and 5.5 lbs up front. I haven't factored in food 
> and clothing, but this is my typical weight distribution.
>
> All bags are supported; the rear BxB Goldback is secured to my saddle 
> via a Carradice Bagman QR, and is primarily supported by the R14. The 
> front 
> Fab's Chest is supported by my makeshift "Pec Deck", which also 
> conveniently holds my Edelux. I'm also currently working with Andy 
> Schmidt 
> from Lord's Luggage in Portland to design a prototype frame bag for the 
> space behind the seat tube on Gus and Susies - more to come on that early 
> next year!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/rGKnL3BhiXeUeZGp6
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day - 2002 Size 60 Rambouillet

[Steven Sweedler]

Very nice bike, I also am a big fan of Nitto’s lugged seatpost and stem.
Steve

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:19 AM Michael Ullmer  wrote:

> I haven't had a proper Riv for about 5 years and had been itching for a
> simple, rackless bike to take out on mid-day rides with no destination in
> mind. I picked this up from a seller on Pinkbike. Aside from the
> wheels/drivetrain, I've switched up everything else about the build. I
> especially like the aesthetic of the lugged stem/seatpost with the lugs of
> the frame, so many lugs! Frame has the expected paint rubs and an
> unexpected small dent in the top tube, but hey, beausage! Now I don't have
> to be so precious with it. I'm very curious how it will ride compared with
> my 650b Rando Fitz.
>
> It's currently kitted out with 48 Noodles, but may switch to Mustache
> which I'm finding I like more and more. I've got 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires in
> there now with very little fender room to spare. I may go with 32mm tires
> and fender it up for the winter and put 35s back on for the summer. I think
> the wheels are stock Dura Ace 9sp era hubs. The TA cranks are gorgeous,
> though I'll likely switch them out for WI Road Cranks. I also haven't used
> DT shifters in at least 10 years, so am excited to try out the Silver
> Shifters on here.
>
> My ultimate plan is to build up a 700c SS wheelset with WI ENO Eccentric
> hub. After seeing Will's blog post yesterday about his SS Roadini, my plans
> solidified. Minneapolis is currently under 6" of fresh snow with single
> digit temps in the forecast, so haven't gotten this out for a test ride yet.
>
> Mike in Minneapolis
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9zLj1t3dUEogv88a8
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Re: [RBW] Platypus ride report

[Tom Palmer]

Hi Patrick,

I really like a front basket. It is more convenient than a handlebar bag or 
a saddlebag. There is not fixed amount to put in, like a bag. With a small 
cargo net- like motorcylists have to lash a helmet on their bike, allow me 
to make an unplanned stop at the store and get what I need withijn reason. 
I even have a large front basket on my hunting bike and load it crazy 
large.  As far as on Rivendells, I understand they were heavily into saddle 
bags and work very well for that, but the front basket just works. I am 
experimenting with a wider bar to get the handling where I want it. That is 
the fun of dialing in a bike. I put the Soma Port Mann bars on but have not 
ridden yet- winter has arrived and it may be a bit before the roads clear. 

Tom Palmer

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:19:30 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Tom: congratulations on the Platypus. I'd love to test ride one, set up 
> per all the Rivendellian specifications, too.
>
> Cold and wind: I'm no arctic rider, but I'm fine down to high teens with 
> light wind and no rain; secret? 3 things: (1) wool and layers of wool; (2) 
> add and remove clothing per conditions (I just added the winter 
> Barley/Junior to my 1999 Joe Starck stripped down gofast exactly to carry 
> outer layers as temps warm up), and (3) start out a bit cold; don't worry, 
> you'll warm up in 5 minutes.
>
> My main problem areas in cold weather are ears and fingers. Solutions, 
> imperfect but they help: balaclavas or wool neck gaiters that you can use 
> to keep your neck warm and pull up over your head and ears and wear under a 
> winter cycling cap or helmet; gloves 2 sizes too large; and gloves in 
> layers instead of big fat down-filled arctic-type gloves. Silk liners under 
> wool liners under lightly-lined windstop gloves -- I use ex-German Polezei 
> leather gloves with light fluffy lining and snap wrist straps in XL over L 
> woolies and M (my real size) silk liners.
>
> Loads and handling: Rivendell brought Carradice saddlebags back to the US 
> market and later developed with the Sackville line what I believe are truly 
> the best saddlebags on the market. Why do so many people want front loading 
> on their Rivendells?
>
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 7:10 AM Tom Palmer  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> After many shortish 8-10mile rides, I finally did a real ride on the 
>> Platypus. over 20 miles, 37 degrees and rain for about half of it. It was 
>> actually a pleasant ride because almost no wind. If it was 5 degrees cooler 
>> or blowing, it would have been miserable and I would have cut it short.  
>> The bike is brilliant. Did some decent hills (for west Michigan) that 
>> included nice flowy descents. I put a small front rack and basket and moved 
>> tool/tube and neck warmer/hat to the rack. Handling not quite as quick as 
>> with the handlebar bag with same contents. I think the handling was 
>> affected by the weight being out front more, even though it was lower. Will 
>> be going to wider bars soon as the Albas just a tiny bit narrow for my 
>> standing  and rocking the bars climbing technique.
>> Back to the brilliance of this Platypus. The bike is a big floaty couch 
>> that is still quick to accelerate and climb. It handles amazingly well. It 
>> is my most enigmatic bike by a long way.
>>
>> Tom (riding as much as possible before real winter strikes) Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
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[RBW] New Bike Day - 2002 Size 60 Rambouillet

[Michael Ullmer]

I haven't had a proper Riv for about 5 years and had been itching for a 
simple, rackless bike to take out on mid-day rides with no destination in 
mind. I picked this up from a seller on Pinkbike. Aside from the 
wheels/drivetrain, I've switched up everything else about the build. I 
especially like the aesthetic of the lugged stem/seatpost with the lugs of 
the frame, so many lugs! Frame has the expected paint rubs and an 
unexpected small dent in the top tube, but hey, beausage! Now I don't have 
to be so precious with it. I'm very curious how it will ride compared with 
my 650b Rando Fitz. 

It's currently kitted out with 48 Noodles, but may switch to Mustache which 
I'm finding I like more and more. I've got 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires in there 
now with very little fender room to spare. I may go with 32mm tires and 
fender it up for the winter and put 35s back on for the summer. I think the 
wheels are stock Dura Ace 9sp era hubs. The TA cranks are gorgeous, though 
I'll likely switch them out for WI Road Cranks. I also haven't used DT 
shifters in at least 10 years, so am excited to try out the Silver Shifters 
on here.

My ultimate plan is to build up a 700c SS wheelset with WI ENO Eccentric 
hub. After seeing Will's blog post yesterday about his SS Roadini, my plans 
solidified. Minneapolis is currently under 6" of fresh snow with single 
digit temps in the forecast, so haven't gotten this out for a test ride yet.

Mike in Minneapolis

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[RBW] Re: Thanksgiving Morning Clem crash

[Matt Beecher]

I'm sorry to hear that.  I had a similar event a few years ago on a "new 
bike day".  I was riding along on my new-to-me Atlantis and taking a turn 
at what seemed like a safe speed.  I think my tires hit a dense patch of 
goose poop, causing the wheels to go out from under me.  I barely 
remembered the event, as it also happened very quickly.  Most of my memory 
is in the immediate events afterwards, such as putting my finger back in 
place instinctively, realizing that doing so caused absolutely no pain and 
felt like popping a knuckle.  

I found myself very fortunate, though I did have some moderate injuries, 
much less than yours.  I hope your recoveries go faster than mine, because 
it took several months before I was comfortable supporting my upper body on 
my wrist, then years to fully heal in my shoulder, particularly if I had to 
lift my arms above my head.   

I cannot say much about riding upright, as I have not been too interested 
in doing so.  I did try moustache bars on the Atlantis after the crash and 
it did help with remove some weight off my wrists, but I was never all that 
happy with them.  I then tried the old variety of crazy bars from VO, but I 
liked those even less(too wide).  I'm back to the original drop bars now. 

I hope you can get back on the bike as soon as you would like.  
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:09:46 PM UTC-6 Jim Bronson wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Well we had a warm rainy Thanksgiving morning here in the greater Austin 
> area.  I thought it might be a good thing to go ride around for an hour or 
> so to try to burn a few calories before consuming several thousand and of 
> course as always for enjoyment.   Being a native (Western) Oregonian the 
> rain is rarely a problem for me so off I went.
>
> Well my ride came to an unfortunate end after about 5 miles exiting a 
> traffic circle.  I was taking a right to exit when the bike went right out 
> from under me as fast as I can ever remember one doing so.  I never jerked 
> the handlebars or anything, it was just the same smooth steady motion that 
> I have used 20 or 30 times before on this same traffic circle.  But this 
> time I was down on the ground in a flash.
>
> Being that my Clem is in stock configuration and is a 65, I had a fair 
> distance to fall.  Unfortunately I broke my fibia and the fracture extends 
> to the bottom of my knee joint.  I won't be needing surgery but I cannot 
> put any weight on it for 6 weeks minimum.  We'll see what the orthopedic 
> surgeon says after that.
>
> The net effect of all this is that I'm thinking of putting drops on my 
> Clem when I get back to riding again.  I know it isn't how Grant intended 
> it, but the extremely upright position of the Clem now has me thinking 
> maybe it's not so good to be so high in the air if I have another fall at 
> some point.  I know this is driven by fear, but, I've often thought of 
> "dropping my Clem" in the past and this may just be the push I need in 
> order to do it.
>
> I know this is the opposite of what people in their 50s are usually doing 
> but I am very comfortable riding drops and many days I will take my 650B 
> converted Road Standard for just that reason.  on this particular day I 
> took the Clem because I didn't want some rain-loosened sharp rock to 
> puncture the somewhat fragile Compass tires on my Road Standard.  
>
> So anyway.
> Prove me wrong!
> Drops for Clem 2022!
>
> -Jim
> austin suburbs, tx
>
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[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[Eric Marth]

Also very curious to know a typical camping set up and pack list for the 
low weight you describe hauling :) 

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:49:53 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Nice rig, Brian! 
>
> I'm reminded of Brendon's seat-tube bag on his Susie, this was the best 
> picture I could find. I believe it's a repurposed top tube bag. 
>
> [image: DSC_0190.jpg]
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:53:51 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Goddamn that’s SICK
>>
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:00:09 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What a beautiful setup! I can’t wait to see pictures from the next trip! 
>>> I’ll be watching to see what the bag behind the seat tube comes out like, 
>>> I’ve definitely been interested in using that space. 
>>>
>>> Is your light mount solid on the makeshift Pec Deck? I was thinking 
>>> about doing that as well but thought it might not be super stable. I have 
>>> it mounted with the stock mount the Edelux came with but haven’t had a 
>>> chance to test it very much. It has been studded riding for weeks and I 
>>> have those on the Clem with fenders… Loving your setup!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think I've finally gotten my bikepacking setup dialed in on my Gus, 
 and thought I'd share. My previous efforts were a bit slapdash, but I'm 
 planning on a couple of overnighters down in Florida this winter and want 
 to take Gus with me. After all, that's what I bought this bike for (I 
 replaced my old Surly Troll with this Gus for off-road bikepacking).

 8.5 lbs in the rear, and 5.5 lbs up front. I haven't factored in food 
 and clothing, but this is my typical weight distribution.

 All bags are supported; the rear BxB Goldback is secured to my saddle 
 via a Carradice Bagman QR, and is primarily supported by the R14. The 
 front 
 Fab's Chest is supported by my makeshift "Pec Deck", which also 
 conveniently holds my Edelux. I'm also currently working with Andy Schmidt 
 from Lord's Luggage in Portland to design a prototype frame bag for the 
 space behind the seat tube on Gus and Susies - more to come on that early 
 next year!

 https://photos.app.goo.gl/rGKnL3BhiXeUeZGp6

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Thanksgiving Morning Clem crash

[Fullylugged]

 "many days I will take my 650B converted Road Standard"   Yes, this is a 
great combo. I did the same to my pre production sample Road and love it as 
a 650B.  Hope you take the time needed to heal fully and enjoy perusing 
bike parts catalogs as you consider handlebar options. Salsa Woodchippers? 
Something similar? Very stable and better looking on your bike, perhaps.

Tailwinds,

bruce

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:09:46 PM UTC-6 Jim Bronson wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Well we had a warm rainy Thanksgiving morning here in the greater Austin 
> area.  I thought it might be a good thing to go ride around for an hour or 
> so to try to burn a few calories before consuming several thousand and of 
> course as always for enjoyment.   Being a native (Western) Oregonian the 
> rain is rarely a problem for me so off I went.
>
> Well my ride came to an unfortunate end after about 5 miles exiting a 
> traffic circle.  I was taking a right to exit when the bike went right out 
> from under me as fast as I can ever remember one doing so.  I never jerked 
> the handlebars or anything, it was just the same smooth steady motion that 
> I have used 20 or 30 times before on this same traffic circle.  But this 
> time I was down on the ground in a flash.
>
> Being that my Clem is in stock configuration and is a 65, I had a fair 
> distance to fall.  Unfortunately I broke my fibia and the fracture extends 
> to the bottom of my knee joint.  I won't be needing surgery but I cannot 
> put any weight on it for 6 weeks minimum.  We'll see what the orthopedic 
> surgeon says after that.
>
> The net effect of all this is that I'm thinking of putting drops on my 
> Clem when I get back to riding again.  I know it isn't how Grant intended 
> it, but the extremely upright position of the Clem now has me thinking 
> maybe it's not so good to be so high in the air if I have another fall at 
> some point.  I know this is driven by fear, but, I've often thought of 
> "dropping my Clem" in the past and this may just be the push I need in 
> order to do it.
>
> I know this is the opposite of what people in their 50s are usually doing 
> but I am very comfortable riding drops and many days I will take my 650B 
> converted Road Standard for just that reason.  on this particular day I 
> took the Clem because I didn't want some rain-loosened sharp rock to 
> puncture the somewhat fragile Compass tires on my Road Standard.  
>
> So anyway.
> Prove me wrong!
> Drops for Clem 2022!
>
> -Jim
> austin suburbs, tx
>
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