[RBW] Re: Bags like the Grabsack?

[Roberta]

Kate posted a Ron’s Bike Fanny pack for sale. It’s roomy! 
 https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/x7XI-CGdlDk/m/p4FQEBNpDgAJ

Roberta
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:12:54 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Hi all, wondering if anyone has any recommendations for bags like the Riv 
> Grabsack from small-ish makers (i.e. not Timbuk2)? I'm looking for 
> something like the Grabsack in size/function but with a better strap and 
> open/close function.
>
> Now with winter here, I need more space for gloves, hat, etc. than my 
> little Swift hipbag can accommodate.
>
> Thanks all!
> Mike in Minneapolis
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO/WTB: Selle Anatomica H1 black saddle

[Roberta]

I’m posting here for others also. 

Keep an eye out for their B stock and sale saddles. Years ago I’ve bought 
saddles  there for under $100 and they were nearly new. You need to visit a 
few times a day and if you see something you want, don’t hesitate to 
purchase right away. https://selleanatomica.com

Roberta

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 11:03:40 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am looking to buy a Selle Anatomica H1 (with steel rails) black saddle 
> that is gently used or new and is in good condition. If you have one, send 
> me an email off the LIST.
>
> Thank-you,
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: New 57cm Roadini Frameset (Orange) + headset, 559 brakes, Nitto seatpost

[Andrew Turner]

No, not going with Malocchio, that one's a little too long and low for me. 
I went back to vintage. Joe Bunik has a frameset I couldn't resist. I'll 
show build pics when it's all done. 

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:43:49 AM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:

> Andrew - I assume you are referring to the Malocchio? Are you going that 
> route to replace the Roadini frame? If so I'd be interested in any 
> impressions once you have it built.
>
> I considered one for a fendered 700x33 "roadie" build but wasn't opposed 
> to threadless or slightly lower quality tubing so I ordered a Soma 
> Pescadero frame. Another (inexpensive) frame with similar geometry is the 
> Handsome Devil.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:34:33 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Man that geo is spot on. It's a shame Riv doesn't make a snappy bike at a 
>> cheaper pricepoint but it also seems like Grant's really shifted his gaze 
>> to the off-road, do-it-all sector. Lengthening chainstays on the Homer and 
>> calling a touring bike a road bike feels like unnecessary overlap but hey, 
>> not my call. Anyhow, Crust is here to fill the gaps. 
>>
>> - Andrew 
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 7:35 PM R Olson  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 61cm roadeo and have ridden several other rivs and I love the 
>>> way the roadeo rides.  It's the perfect bike in almost every way.  It's the 
>>> most responsive bike I've ever owned.  It's quick without being twitchy.  
>>> Only problem is it's slightly too small, so I've been considering different 
>>> options (besides the obvious one of just getting a size bigger from riv), 
>>> including a roadini.  Along the way, I've been obsessed with comparing 
>>> bikes on bike insight.  Of note, and relevant to this discussion is that I 
>>> compared a 61cm Roadini with a 66cm Gunnar Grand Tour frame, and lo and 
>>> behold, it's has almost the exact same geometry (see attached pic)!!  Not 
>>> sure what the differences in the tubing are, but I'd bet the Gunnar touring 
>>> frame has the same or even lighter tubing.  Thankful for this post and 
>>> discussion, everyone.   Perhaps the roadini is not the right choice to 
>>> upsize my roadeo. 
>>>
>>> Ryan  
>>>
>>> [image: GunnarRoadiniComparison.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 4:53:45 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 Having owned a Roadini, I would go a step further and say it's 
 basically an old school touring bike. Long, relaxed, kind of overbuilt. 
 I've never ridden one, but I'd guess a Specialized Expedition or Miyata 
 1000 would feel pretty similar. By contrast, I've had a string of vintage 
 Trek sport touring bikes, and they felt a bit snappier than the Roadini.

 Eric

 On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 6:13 PM Andrew Turner  
 wrote:

> cjus...@gmail.com, sorry I don't know your name, but while staring at 
> the finished build as one does, one of my first thoughts was, this looks 
> a 
> LOT like a Casseroll! I've never ridden one but am delighted that someone 
> else made that connection. I would 100% agree with that description for 
> the 
> Roadini: "A versatile (light) touring machine with roadie influences." 
>
> I also should've clarified that the 2022 Roadini model is the one I 
> have a harder time calling a road bike. To me it's a new-age sport 
> tourer. 
> Lot's of bags don't even need brazeons or racks these days and I think 
> the 
> Roadini would carry them in stride. 
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 4:53:25 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I think of the Roadini as a Rivendell road bike, as in "this is how 
>> Riv distills Rivness into a TIG-welded caliper-brake frame designed to 
>> be a 
>> little shorter than other Rivs, and will probably use dropbsrs and 
>> skinny-ish tires." It's not a "road bike" as the current market 
>> understands 
>> that term. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 2:24:41 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, 
>>>
>>> You pretty much hit the nail on the head! It sounds like my 
>>> experience with the Roadini is similar to your Ram experience (which is 
>>> ironic because I like the way the Ram rides). The memory that was 
>>> conjured 
>>> up while riding the Roadini was when I was a kid at a local playground 
>>> and 
>>> tried a handicap swingset that was freshly installed. And I thought, 
>>> hey 
>>> this is pretty cool, but I do feel 50x safer than would personally like 
>>> to 
>>> feel...I'm gonna go back to jumping out of trees on a rope swing. This 
>>> feels insensitive typing it out and I don't mean to be, and I don't 
>>> think 
>>> my experience with the Roadini makes it a worse bike than my Waterford 
>>> 1200, they're just two totally different beasts...but they're both 
>>> called 
>>> road bikes... 
>

[RBW] Re: ISO/WTB: Selle Anatomica H1 black saddle

[Kim Hetzel]

Hi Roberta,

I thank-you very much for the information. I appreciate it.  I am very much 
familiar with Selle Anatomica's website regarding their used saddles and 
their "B" stock saddles. For now there reads " No products found in this 
collection" between the two.  I have been visiting the site frequently and 
other sites, such as eBay and Craigslist. 

I went on a long 14 mile bike ride yesterday; my first with my Clem, since 
I have owned it last September. I had comfort arguments with my Brooks B67S 
saddle, of which I have had for years between a couple of bikes that I have 
owned. I have decided to find another saddle. 

Comfort is everything riding a bicycle.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:46:07 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> I’m posting here for others also. 
>
> Keep an eye out for their B stock and sale saddles. Years ago I’ve bought 
> saddles  there for under $100 and they were nearly new. You need to visit a 
> few times a day and if you see something you want, don’t hesitate to 
> purchase right away. https://selleanatomica.com
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 11:03:40 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am looking to buy a Selle Anatomica H1 (with steel rails) black saddle 
>> that is gently used or new and is in good condition. If you have one, send 
>> me an email off the LIST.
>>
>> Thank-you,
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Parts bin cleanout: Selle Anatomica, cassettes, tires, stems, shifters, etc.

[Andrew Turner]

Price drops: 

   - 9 speed cassette(s) unused 11-30 & 11-32: $25 each 
   - Selle Anatomica saddle X2 used: $85
   - 80mm 31.8 threadless stem(s) 17° & 7°: $30 for pair
   - Dura-Ace 9-speed downtube shifters unused: $85
   - Ritchey 110bcd crankset w/ smooth Octalink BB 50/34 175 crank length: 
   $55 
   

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-6 Andrew Turner wrote:

> XT cassette is sold
> RH tires, Ritchey crankset, and DA shifters are pending
>
> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:00:25 PM UTC-6 BobW wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew. I’m interested in the crank set & BB. Please contact me off 
>> list 
>> Thanks!  Bob
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2023, at 7:28 PM, Andrew Turner  wrote:
>>
>> Time to clean it out some. Below's a list of some stuff for sale. All 
>> prices include the cost of shipping. You can see pics here.  
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>- 9-speed XT cassette 11-34, unused: $65
>>- 9 speed cassette(s) unused 11-30 & 11-32: $40 each 
>>- Selle Anatomica saddle X2 used: $100
>>- 80mm 31.8 threadless stem(s) 17° & 7°: $30 each
>>- Dura-Ace 9-speed downtube shifters unused: $100
>>- Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass extralight tanwall tires (pair), unknown 
>>mileage but never set up tubeless with all the tread still visible so 
>> lots 
>>of life left: $100
>>- Ritchey 110bcd crankset w/ smooth Octalink BB 50/34 175 crank 
>>length: $60 
>>
>>
>> That's it for now 
>> - Andrew
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[RBW] Re: ISO/WTB: Selle Anatomica H1 black saddle

[Andrew Turner]

I've got an X1 I'm not using...Would you be interested in buying the frame 
& hardware for $50 then you'd just have to buy the leather from Selle? 

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:09:52 AM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Roberta,
>
> I thank-you very much for the information. I appreciate it.  I am very 
> much familiar with Selle Anatomica's website regarding their used saddles 
> and their "B" stock saddles. For now there reads " No products found in 
> this collection" between the two.  I have been visiting the site frequently 
> and other sites, such as eBay and Craigslist. 
>
> I went on a long 14 mile bike ride yesterday; my first with my Clem, since 
> I have owned it last September. I had comfort arguments with my Brooks B67S 
> saddle, of which I have had for years between a couple of bikes that I have 
> owned. I have decided to find another saddle. 
>
> Comfort is everything riding a bicycle.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:46:07 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I’m posting here for others also. 
>>
>> Keep an eye out for their B stock and sale saddles. Years ago I’ve bought 
>> saddles  there for under $100 and they were nearly new. You need to visit a 
>> few times a day and if you see something you want, don’t hesitate to 
>> purchase right away. https://selleanatomica.com
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 11:03:40 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am looking to buy a Selle Anatomica H1 (with steel rails) black saddle 
>>> that is gently used or new and is in good condition. If you have one, send 
>>> me an email off the LIST.
>>>
>>> Thank-you,
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: ISO/WTB: Selle Anatomica H1 black saddle

[Andrew Turner]

Sorry I misspoke. It's an X2 with the modular design. 

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:13:37 AM UTC-6 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I've got an X1 I'm not using...Would you be interested in buying the frame 
> & hardware for $50 then you'd just have to buy the leather from Selle? 
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:09:52 AM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Roberta,
>>
>> I thank-you very much for the information. I appreciate it.  I am very 
>> much familiar with Selle Anatomica's website regarding their used saddles 
>> and their "B" stock saddles. For now there reads " No products found in 
>> this collection" between the two.  I have been visiting the site frequently 
>> and other sites, such as eBay and Craigslist. 
>>
>> I went on a long 14 mile bike ride yesterday; my first with my Clem, 
>> since I have owned it last September. I had comfort arguments with my 
>> Brooks B67S saddle, of which I have had for years between a couple of bikes 
>> that I have owned. I have decided to find another saddle. 
>>
>> Comfort is everything riding a bicycle.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:46:07 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I’m posting here for others also. 
>>>
>>> Keep an eye out for their B stock and sale saddles. Years ago I’ve 
>>> bought saddles  there for under $100 and they were nearly new. You need to 
>>> visit a few times a day and if you see something you want, don’t hesitate 
>>> to purchase right away. https://selleanatomica.com
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 11:03:40 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I am looking to buy a Selle Anatomica H1 (with steel rails) black 
 saddle that is gently used or new and is in good condition. If you have 
 one, send me an email off the LIST.

 Thank-you,
 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: ISO/WTB: Selle Anatomica H1 black saddle

[Kim Hetzel]

Hi Andy,

My weight exceeds the X series in being that of 235 lbs. I am specifically 
looking at the H series for weight up to 250 lbs.. Sorry.

Thank-you.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 8:14:58 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Sorry I misspoke. It's an X2 with the modular design. 
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:13:37 AM UTC-6 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> I've got an X1 I'm not using...Would you be interested in buying the 
>> frame & hardware for $50 then you'd just have to buy the leather from 
>> Selle? 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:09:52 AM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Roberta,
>>>
>>> I thank-you very much for the information. I appreciate it.  I am very 
>>> much familiar with Selle Anatomica's website regarding their used saddles 
>>> and their "B" stock saddles. For now there reads " No products found in 
>>> this collection" between the two.  I have been visiting the site frequently 
>>> and other sites, such as eBay and Craigslist. 
>>>
>>> I went on a long 14 mile bike ride yesterday; my first with my Clem, 
>>> since I have owned it last September. I had comfort arguments with my 
>>> Brooks B67S saddle, of which I have had for years between a couple of bikes 
>>> that I have owned. I have decided to find another saddle. 
>>>
>>> Comfort is everything riding a bicycle.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:46:07 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I’m posting here for others also. 

 Keep an eye out for their B stock and sale saddles. Years ago I’ve 
 bought saddles  there for under $100 and they were nearly new. You need to 
 visit a few times a day and if you see something you want, don’t hesitate 
 to purchase right away. https://selleanatomica.com

 Roberta

 On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 11:03:40 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I am looking to buy a Selle Anatomica H1 (with steel rails) black 
> saddle that is gently used or new and is in good condition. If you have 
> one, send me an email off the LIST.
>
> Thank-you,
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>


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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto / Simworks Rumble bars

[scott minor]

SOLD

many thanks!

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:57:08 AM UTC-5 scott minor wrote:

> Simworks / Golden Pliers collab, these sold out really quickly.  Offering 
> them here after finding them too wide for my purposes.  There are some 
> faint marks around the clamp area but otherwise condition is like-new.   
> 71cm wide, 31.8 clamp
>
> $120 shipped 
>
> Located in VA[image: rumble2.jpeg]
> [image: rumble1.jpeg]
>
>
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[RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[JohnS]

The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I should give 
them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience with? I like the 
idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos on the front as 
seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.

https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/

The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake levels, 
one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using Mark/noodle drop 
bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably priced at 
$30/pair.

Any suggestions are appreciated,
JohnS

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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[esoterica etc]

John,

The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use the same 
short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro cantilevers. 
The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers. 

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
> 
> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I should give 
> them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience with? I like the 
> idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos on the front as seen 
> on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
> 
> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
> 
> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake levels, 
> one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using Mark/noodle drop 
> bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably priced at 
> $30/pair.
> 
> Any suggestions are appreciated,
> JohnS
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[JohnS]

Thank you Mark, good to know.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> John,
>
> The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use the 
> same short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro 
> cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers. 
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
>
> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I should 
> give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience with? I 
> like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos on the 
> front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
>
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
>
> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake levels, 
> one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using Mark/noodle drop 
> bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably priced at 
> $30/pair.
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated,
> JohnS
>
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> .
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Drew Henson]

Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the minimotos 
have all that much clearance depending on tire size.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:

> Thank you Mark, good to know.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use the 
>> same short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro 
>> cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers. 
>>
>> ~Mark
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
>>
>> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I should 
>> give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience with? I 
>> like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos on the 
>> front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
>>
>> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake 
>> levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using Mark/noodle 
>> drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably 
>> priced at $30/pair.
>>
>> Any suggestions are appreciated,
>> JohnS
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Eliot Balogh]

Why not do the motolite V brakes ? I bet they rock

On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 10:19 AM Drew Henson  wrote:

> Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the minimotos
> have all that much clearance depending on tire size.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thank you Mark, good to know.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use the
>>> same short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro
>>> cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers.
>>>
>>> ~Mark
>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
>>>
>>> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I should
>>> give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience with? I
>>> like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos on the
>>> front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
>>>
>>> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake
>>> levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using Mark/noodle
>>> drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably
>>> priced at $30/pair.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions are appreciated,
>>> JohnS
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[iamkeith]

Since the Quickbeam has a nice, built-in cable hanger at the rear (whereas 
the Simple One relies on an ad-on hanger installed at the seatpost clamp 
bolt), I think it's nice to use canti brakes.  Just my opinion.  I had wide 
profile brakes, like the neo-retro, both front and rear on my Quickbeam 
(and will again when I finish rebuilding it) and never had heel clearance 
problems.   I do have another bike where I needed to use the touring on the 
rear with the neo retro on the front.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Why not do the motolite V brakes ? I bet they rock
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 10:19 AM Drew Henson  wrote:
>
>> Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the minimotos 
>> have all that much clearance depending on tire size.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Mark, good to know.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 John,

 The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use the 
 same short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro 
 cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers. 

 ~Mark
 Raleigh, NC


 On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:

 The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I should 
 give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience with? I 
 like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos on the 
 front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.



 https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/

 The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake 
 levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using 
 Mark/noodle 
 drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably 
 priced at $30/pair.

 Any suggestions are appreciated,
 JohnS

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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

When I was starting my design process for Paul braking my Quickbeam
everyone said to put touring on the rear.
I measured my heel clearance and decided for my bike and fit, that touring
would be unnecessary and neo-retro's would clear fine.
However, a set of used touring in my preferred color came up either here or
i-bob first, so I ended up going with them anyways.
Definitely measure before you buy tho if you are only considering the
touring for clearance problems, it might not be an issue for you.

--ben


On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 1:19 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> Since the Quickbeam has a nice, built-in cable hanger at the rear (whereas
> the Simple One relies on an ad-on hanger installed at the seatpost clamp
> bolt), I think it's nice to use canti brakes.  Just my opinion.  I had wide
> profile brakes, like the neo-retro, both front and rear on my Quickbeam
> (and will again when I finish rebuilding it) and never had heel clearance
> problems.   I do have another bike where I needed to use the touring on the
> rear with the neo retro on the front.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Why not do the motolite V brakes ? I bet they rock
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 10:19 AM Drew Henson  wrote:
>>
>>> Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the minimotos
>>> have all that much clearance depending on tire size.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Mark, good to know.

 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> John,
>
> The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use
> the same short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro
> cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers.
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
>
> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I should
> give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience with? I
> like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos on the
> front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
>
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
>
> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake
> levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using 
> Mark/noodle
> drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably
> priced at $30/pair.
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated,
> JohnS
>
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Patch T]

I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little sad, 
but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred to run 
a Minimoto on the rear as well.

Patch in NYC

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 11:44:55 AM UTC-8 Benjamin Kelley wrote:

> When I was starting my design process for Paul braking my Quickbeam 
> everyone said to put touring on the rear.
> I measured my heel clearance and decided for my bike and fit, that touring 
> would be unnecessary and neo-retro's would clear fine.
> However, a set of used touring in my preferred color came up either here 
> or i-bob first, so I ended up going with them anyways.
> Definitely measure before you buy tho if you are only considering the 
> touring for clearance problems, it might not be an issue for you.
>
> --ben
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 1:19 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> Since the Quickbeam has a nice, built-in cable hanger at the rear 
>> (whereas the Simple One relies on an ad-on hanger installed at the seatpost 
>> clamp bolt), I think it's nice to use canti brakes.  Just my opinion.  I 
>> had wide profile brakes, like the neo-retro, both front and rear on my 
>> Quickbeam (and will again when I finish rebuilding it) and never had heel 
>> clearance problems.   I do have another bike where I needed to use the 
>> touring on the rear with the neo retro on the front.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why not do the motolite V brakes ? I bet they rock
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 10:19 AM Drew Henson  wrote:
>>>
 Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the minimotos 
 have all that much clearance depending on tire size.

 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:

> Thank you Mark, good to know.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use 
>> the same short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro 
>> cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers. 
>>
>> ~Mark
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
>>
>> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I 
>> should give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience 
>> with? I like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos 
>> on 
>> the front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
>>
>> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake 
>> levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using 
>> Mark/noodle 
>> drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably 
>> priced at $30/pair.
>>
>> Any suggestions are appreciated,
>> JohnS
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Re: [RBW] FS: Parts bin cleanout: Selle Anatomica, cassettes, tires, stems, shifters, etc.

[Kieran J]

I used to have that same Ritchey crank, it was pretty nice. That said, this 
model was the subject of a recall - was this one's left arm replaced as 
part of that?
https://ritcheylogic.com/blog/wcs-and-pro-crank-voluntary-recall
Might be good info to include.

KJ


On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:52:46 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Price drops: 
>
>- 9 speed cassette(s) unused 11-30 & 11-32: $25 each 
>- Selle Anatomica saddle X2 used: $85
>- 80mm 31.8 threadless stem(s) 17° & 7°: $30 for pair
>- Dura-Ace 9-speed downtube shifters unused: $85
>- Ritchey 110bcd crankset w/ smooth Octalink BB 50/34 175 crank 
>length: $55 
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-6 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> XT cassette is sold
>> RH tires, Ritchey crankset, and DA shifters are pending
>>
>> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:00:25 PM UTC-6 BobW wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrew. I’m interested in the crank set & BB. Please contact me off 
>>> list 
>>> Thanks!  Bob
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 9, 2023, at 7:28 PM, Andrew Turner  wrote:
>>>
>>> Time to clean it out some. Below's a list of some stuff for sale. All 
>>> prices include the cost of shipping. You can see pics here.  
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- 9-speed XT cassette 11-34, unused: $65
>>>- 9 speed cassette(s) unused 11-30 & 11-32: $40 each 
>>>- Selle Anatomica saddle X2 used: $100
>>>- 80mm 31.8 threadless stem(s) 17° & 7°: $30 each
>>>- Dura-Ace 9-speed downtube shifters unused: $100
>>>- Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass extralight tanwall tires (pair), 
>>>unknown mileage but never set up tubeless with all the tread still 
>>> visible 
>>>so lots of life left: $100
>>>- Ritchey 110bcd crankset w/ smooth Octalink BB 50/34 175 crank 
>>>length: $60 
>>>
>>>
>>> That's it for now 
>>> - Andrew
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[RBW] Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[Patrick Moore]

Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a regular
hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a very
short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the cut-down
Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable hood
position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I
realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the
shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: New 57cm Roadini Frameset (Orange) + headset, 559 brakes, Nitto seatpost

[Patrick Moore]

Andrew: Thanks; good heads-up on the Roadini, then. As for my blue Ram, I
don't want to overstate things, and it was a very nice handling bike. If
I'd kept that Ram though I could probably have squeezed 38s into the frame
and wouldn't have to bother with the Libertas whose fruition, as Bill says,
recedes continually into the future. (Tho' the Libertas is sized better at
60/56 instead of 58/57 or whatever the Ram was.) But having reached the age
where I am a lot slower than I use to be* but also modestly richer, I can
afford to parse small differences and I prefer the slightly faster turn-in
of my 26" wheel road customs.

* Riding home in the hooks against a stiff sidewind today on the 559 X 42
mm Naches-Pass el-shod Matthews Riv Road clone with 23 lb in the rear I was
overtaken by a young 40-something on an old mountain bike with knobbies
carrying his dog on a Jandd rack, tho' he was using an aero bar on his flat
bar. The indignities of growing old ...

On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 3:24 PM Andrew Turner 
wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> You pretty much hit the nail on the head! It sounds like my experience
> with the Roadini is similar to your Ram experience (which is ironic because
> I like the way the Ram rides). The memory that was conjured up while riding
> the Roadini was when I was a kid at a local playground and tried a handicap
> swingset that was freshly installed. And I thought, hey this is pretty
> cool, but I do feel 50x safer than would personally like to feel...I'm
> gonna go back to jumping out of trees on a rope swing. This feels
> insensitive typing it out and I don't mean to be, and I don't think my
> experience with the Roadini makes it a worse bike than my Waterford 1200,
> they're just two totally different beasts...but they're both called road
> bikes...
>
> Now there are roads 40 miles or so from my front door where I would MUCH
> prefer the Roadini to my Waterford, and the opportunity cost of selling the
> Roadini is that I'll likely forego riding those roads. But where I'm at
> right now, I'd rather enjoy those 40 miles on a bike that feels lively and
> a little dangerous and either skip, walk, or say a prayer to the pinch flat
> gods and overcome that short section of sketch. If I were a sleep-deprived
> rando rider enjoying long stretches of rough country road, the Roadini and
> I would get along like peas and carrots, but that ain't me right now.
>
> This is a can o worms I'm opening, but I'll say it anyway, maybe Rivendell
> shouldn't be calling the Roadini a "road" bike. It's definitely THEIR
> version of one but none of their models except for maybe the Roadeo fit
> into the industries' categories. I think Country bike and Hilibike are
> beautiful categorical solutions, so perhaps the Homer and Roadini deserve
> their own as well. Food for thought.
>
> Andrew
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 11:09:01 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> That's frame and fork and headset, folks.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 10:07 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> ..  1970s *tout 531* Libertas [5.9 lb 60 X 56 c-c with steel Campy
>>> hs!!] with 38 mm tires for a road-like pavement gofast combined with tires
>>> and gearing sufficient for firm-dirt explorations.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: New 57cm Roadini Frameset (Orange) + headset, 559 brakes, Nitto seatpost

[Patrick Moore]

Nay, the qualities increase in direct proportion to the procrastination.
But don't be a doubter. (Well, give it more time, anyway.) You expressed
skepticism about the 2020 Matthews and lo and behold, it eventually
eventuated. And, I was sidetracked with plans for the Monocog replacement,
about which I'm now wondering if it would be worth the cost and effort.
Actually, Chauncey had agreed to repair some minor damage and have it
powdercoated Molteni Orange back in 2020 when he built the Matthews #2, but
he got fed up with brazing frames, got out of the business, and gave it
back to me unrepaired.

Patrick Moore, with a long list of bike projects that *eventually* get done.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 3:50 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> As long as you never build "that Libertas" and don't ride it, its ride
> qualities will remain *flawless *forever, and the weight will only change
> very gradually with oxidation.
>
> “We few, we happy few, we band of brothers - joined in the serious
> business of keeping our food, shelter, clothing and loved ones from
> combining with oxygen.”
> -Vonnegut
>
> BL in EC
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> That's frame and fork and headset, folks.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 10:07 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> ..  1970s *tout 531* Libertas [5.9 lb 60 X 56 c-c with steel Campy
>>> hs!!] with 38 mm tires for a road-like pavement gofast combined with tires
>>> and gearing sufficient for firm-dirt explorations.
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Parts bin cleanout: Selle Anatomica, cassettes, tires, stems, shifters, etc.

[Andrew Turner]

Good catch! I bought these on eBay a little while ago and haven't used them 
on a build. They do fall within the recall time period so there's some risk 
involved. Honestly if someone wants them for $25 which should easily cover 
shipping, that works for me. 

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:12:57 PM UTC-6 Kieran J wrote:

> I used to have that same Ritchey crank, it was pretty nice. That said, 
> this model was the subject of a recall - was this one's left arm replaced 
> as part of that?
> https://ritcheylogic.com/blog/wcs-and-pro-crank-voluntary-recall
> Might be good info to include.
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:52:46 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Price drops: 
>>
>>- 9 speed cassette(s) unused 11-30 & 11-32: $25 each 
>>- Selle Anatomica saddle X2 used: $85
>>- 80mm 31.8 threadless stem(s) 17° & 7°: $30 for pair
>>- Dura-Ace 9-speed downtube shifters unused: $85
>>- Ritchey 110bcd crankset w/ smooth Octalink BB 50/34 175 crank 
>>length: $55 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-6 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> XT cassette is sold
>>> RH tires, Ritchey crankset, and DA shifters are pending
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:00:25 PM UTC-6 BobW wrote:
>>>
 Hi Andrew. I’m interested in the crank set & BB. Please contact me off 
 list 
 Thanks!  Bob

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 9, 2023, at 7:28 PM, Andrew Turner  wrote:

 Time to clean it out some. Below's a list of some stuff for sale. All 
 prices include the cost of shipping. You can see pics here.  
  




- 9-speed XT cassette 11-34, unused: $65
- 9 speed cassette(s) unused 11-30 & 11-32: $40 each 
- Selle Anatomica saddle X2 used: $100
- 80mm 31.8 threadless stem(s) 17° & 7°: $30 each
- Dura-Ace 9-speed downtube shifters unused: $100
- Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass extralight tanwall tires (pair), 
unknown mileage but never set up tubeless with all the tread still 
 visible 
so lots of life left: $100
- Ritchey 110bcd crankset w/ smooth Octalink BB 50/34 175 crank 
length: $60 


 That's it for now 
 - Andrew

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[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[Andrew Turner]

I too would be curious about a bar like this, specifically with a 26.0 or 
25.4 clamp size. If 31.8 isn't a buzzkill for you, I have nothing but good 
things to say about Ritchey's Evocurve handlebar. Quite comfy. 

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 4:06:34 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a regular 
> hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a very 
> short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the cut-down 
> Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable hood 
> position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>
> Thanks.
>
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[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both 
Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn 
short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp 
has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's 
is either the same, or 75mm...

I'm linking to the base-price versions...

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634

https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2

If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only thing 
I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of others!

Liz
Washington, DC



On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a regular 
> hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a very 
> short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the cut-down 
> Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable hood 
> position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>
> Thanks.
>
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>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Parts bin cleanout: Selle Anatomica, cassettes, tires, stems, shifters, etc.

[Andrew Turner]

The parts left for sale are the generic 9 speed cassettes, Threadless
stems, and selle saddle.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2023, 4:27 PM Andrew Turner 
wrote:

> Good catch! I bought these on eBay a little while ago and haven't used
> them on a build. They do fall within the recall time period so there's some
> risk involved. Honestly if someone wants them for $25 which should easily
> cover shipping, that works for me.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:12:57 PM UTC-6 Kieran J wrote:
>
>> I used to have that same Ritchey crank, it was pretty nice. That said,
>> this model was the subject of a recall - was this one's left arm replaced
>> as part of that?
>> https://ritcheylogic.com/blog/wcs-and-pro-crank-voluntary-recall
>> Might be good info to include.
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:52:46 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Price drops:
>>>
>>>- 9 speed cassette(s) unused 11-30 & 11-32: $25 each
>>>- Selle Anatomica saddle X2 used: $85
>>>- 80mm 31.8 threadless stem(s) 17° & 7°: $30 for pair
>>>- Dura-Ace 9-speed downtube shifters unused: $85
>>>- Ritchey 110bcd crankset w/ smooth Octalink BB 50/34 175 crank
>>>length: $55
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-6 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>
 XT cassette is sold
 RH tires, Ritchey crankset, and DA shifters are pending

 On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:00:25 PM UTC-6 BobW wrote:

> Hi Andrew. I’m interested in the crank set & BB. Please contact me off
> list
> Thanks!  Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 9, 2023, at 7:28 PM, Andrew Turner 
> wrote:
>
> Time to clean it out some. Below's a list of some stuff for sale. All
> prices include the cost of shipping. You can see pics here.
> 
>
>
>
>
>- 9-speed XT cassette 11-34, unused: $65
>- 9 speed cassette(s) unused 11-30 & 11-32: $40 each
>- Selle Anatomica saddle X2 used: $100
>- 80mm 31.8 threadless stem(s) 17° & 7°: $30 each
>- Dura-Ace 9-speed downtube shifters unused: $100
>- Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass extralight tanwall tires (pair),
>unknown mileage but never set up tubeless with all the tread still 
> visible
>so lots of life left: $100
>- Ritchey 110bcd crankset w/ smooth Octalink BB 50/34 175 crank
>length: $60
>
>
> That's it for now
> - Andrew
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[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[Nick Payne]

The Nitto Fairweather M174AA bar has 75mm reach, and comes in widths from 
380mm to 460mm. 25.4mm clamp diameter.

https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-m174aa-all-road-bar-silver.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Kim Hetzel]

Looking real good there Richard. I am sure that you will be hooting and 
hollering down the road and through the woods, when she is all put together.
Thank-you for sharing.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 


On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> You all are right. I just got my wheels / tires and got my first good look 
> at this rig in person. The bb is much higher than I anticipated - within 
> 1/2 centimeter of my full suspension MTB (for sale:)).
> This beast should be a hoot.
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 10, 2023, at 9:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> I run a 172 on my Susie and it is plenty high with the 2.5” for some 
> pretty chunky terrain. I have a 170 on my Clem with 2” and it is about an 
> inch lower. These bikes are so long that I understand wanting a bit more 
> clearance but if a 170 is comfortable I think the bike is high enough to 
> pedal through anything these bikes can pedal through. I’m still getting 
> used to the Susie as a mountain bike really. Chunky climbs are tough for me 
> because if I get off the seat at all, instant loss of traction. Pedal 
> strikes hasn’t been an issue at all though. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 5:58:06 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Fair point(s). As you can imagine, the full suspension bike has a pretty 
>> high bb, though not as high as current comparable bikes. I rarely 
>> experienced pedal strokes even pedaling through stuff that at my age I 
>> probably should not be doing!:)
>> I just looked at available solutions & thought it might be beneficial to 
>> shorten the cranks on the Gus to approximate the clearance I enjoyed on the 
>> suspension bike. To do so would require a 550mm crank arm.
>> To be honest, I had one particular & disconcerting pedal strike riding 
>> the Clem that really got my attention. This was a very familiar sweeping 
>> turn but off camber section that I always pedal through. The pedal dug into 
>> the uphill side of the bank & I nearly crashed. It was just so unexpected. 
>> I’ve accepted the notion that I may have to ride a bit slower & less 
>> aggressive than I am used to. But to the degree that I can minimize these 
>> things with the right choice now seems smart.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:01 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I understand your intent to avoid crank or pedal contact, but personally 
>> I wouldn’t base my crank length on the potential for pedal strikes on rocks 
>> and roots. In this case, I would fall into the camp of being conscious of 
>> the terrain, refining your technique, and being mindful of your own 
>> personal skill level. If you’re getting lots of strikes with say, a 170mm 
>> or 165mm crank, I wouldn’t be confident that going even shorter than that 
>> is going to necessarily solve your issue.
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 7:45 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> Legit question. I am moving from a full suspension trail bike to the 
>> Gus. I have ridden my Clem (27.5 x 2.25) with 173mm cranks and have been 
>> reminded of how alarming pedal strokes can be! But, I really enjoy the 
>> trail experience on the Clem otherwise. I realize the Gus has a slightly 
>> higher BB than the Clem & the Gus is 29 x 2.6. So yes, I am trying to be 
>> mitigate possible problems. I like the Silver crank on the Clem but I will 
>> likely use a 165mm Crank on the Gus. But, I am watching with keen interest 
>> the increasing availability of even shorter cranks.
>> And yes, I know technique comes into play here, and I am looking forward 
>> to refining mine.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 12:01 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 4:59:23 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I am feeling so very lucky to have found a Gus. On the subject of 
>>> Gus/Susie bikes; who among us are using a crankset with shorter than 165mm 
>>> cranks in an effort to improve pedal clearance on rough trails? I’ve been 
>>> researching available cranks and finding interesting possible benefits 
>>> other than pedal clearance.
>>>
>>>
>> Have you tried a longer crank, or are you just building yours up for the 
>> first time and assuming you'll want more clearance?  (Based perhaps on 
>> experience with other rivendell models.)  My single conplaint about my 
>> Susie is that the botgom bracket is too high.  Its not at all like my Clem 
>> or my other most-ridden mountain bikes from other companies, that are all 
>> much lower..  I've probably  learned to adjust my pedaling technique from 
>> previous experience, and my huge 2.8 tires probably have something to do 
>> with it too but, in case you haven't done so, you should try it with 
>> normal/long* cranks to see if it is really an issue. (*mine are 175)
>>
>> On topic - it is definitely sad to see these go.  Grant orginally said 
>> that it might only be the first batch that was fillet brazed, but didn't 
>> suggest

Re: [RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[Patrick Moore]

Thank you, Elizabeth; both those look very possible -- and yes, I should
have mentioned that I do want a 31.8mm clamp area.

The Specialized website also showed these with a 15 mm rise: perhaps even
better:
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise-plus-flare/p/155205?color=231077-155205&searchText=21018-3044

I suppose all of these have 128 mm -- 130 mm drop; then the Hover with the
15 mm rise is even better with a net 115 mm drop. Excellent.

Nick: Thanks for referring the Fairweather, but the 2 Specialized bars suit
better.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 3:54 PM Elisabeth Sherwood <
elisabeth.sherw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both
> Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn
> short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp
> has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's
> is either the same, or 75mm...
>
> I'm linking to the base-price versions...
>
>
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634
>
> https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2
>
> If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only
> thing I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of
> others!
>
> Liz
> Washington, DC
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a
>> regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a
>> very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the
>> cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable
>> hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I
>> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the
>> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Ryan Frahm]

Looks great Richard! Can’t wait to hear how you like it when it’s all done!

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:29:46 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looking real good there Richard. I am sure that you will be hooting and 
> hollering down the road and through the woods, when she is all put together.
> Thank-you for sharing.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> You all are right. I just got my wheels / tires and got my first good 
>> look at this rig in person. The bb is much higher than I anticipated - 
>> within 1/2 centimeter of my full suspension MTB (for sale:)).
>> This beast should be a hoot.
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 9:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> I run a 172 on my Susie and it is plenty high with the 2.5” for some 
>> pretty chunky terrain. I have a 170 on my Clem with 2” and it is about an 
>> inch lower. These bikes are so long that I understand wanting a bit more 
>> clearance but if a 170 is comfortable I think the bike is high enough to 
>> pedal through anything these bikes can pedal through. I’m still getting 
>> used to the Susie as a mountain bike really. Chunky climbs are tough for me 
>> because if I get off the seat at all, instant loss of traction. Pedal 
>> strikes hasn’t been an issue at all though. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 5:58:06 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Fair point(s). As you can imagine, the full suspension bike has a pretty 
>>> high bb, though not as high as current comparable bikes. I rarely 
>>> experienced pedal strokes even pedaling through stuff that at my age I 
>>> probably should not be doing!:)
>>> I just looked at available solutions & thought it might be beneficial to 
>>> shorten the cranks on the Gus to approximate the clearance I enjoyed on the 
>>> suspension bike. To do so would require a 550mm crank arm.
>>> To be honest, I had one particular & disconcerting pedal strike riding 
>>> the Clem that really got my attention. This was a very familiar sweeping 
>>> turn but off camber section that I always pedal through. The pedal dug into 
>>> the uphill side of the bank & I nearly crashed. It was just so unexpected. 
>>> I’ve accepted the notion that I may have to ride a bit slower & less 
>>> aggressive than I am used to. But to the degree that I can minimize these 
>>> things with the right choice now seems smart.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:01 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I understand your intent to avoid crank or pedal contact, but personally 
>>> I wouldn’t base my crank length on the potential for pedal strikes on rocks 
>>> and roots. In this case, I would fall into the camp of being conscious of 
>>> the terrain, refining your technique, and being mindful of your own 
>>> personal skill level. If you’re getting lots of strikes with say, a 170mm 
>>> or 165mm crank, I wouldn’t be confident that going even shorter than that 
>>> is going to necessarily solve your issue.
>>>
>>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 7:45 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>> Legit question. I am moving from a full suspension trail bike to the 
>>> Gus. I have ridden my Clem (27.5 x 2.25) with 173mm cranks and have been 
>>> reminded of how alarming pedal strokes can be! But, I really enjoy the 
>>> trail experience on the Clem otherwise. I realize the Gus has a slightly 
>>> higher BB than the Clem & the Gus is 29 x 2.6. So yes, I am trying to be 
>>> mitigate possible problems. I like the Silver crank on the Clem but I will 
>>> likely use a 165mm Crank on the Gus. But, I am watching with keen interest 
>>> the increasing availability of even shorter cranks.
>>> And yes, I know technique comes into play here, and I am looking forward 
>>> to refining mine.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 12:01 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 4:59:23 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I am feeling so very lucky to have found a Gus. On the subject of 
 Gus/Susie bikes; who among us are using a crankset with shorter than 165mm 
 cranks in an effort to improve pedal clearance on rough trails? I’ve been 
 researching available cranks and finding interesting possible benefits 
 other than pedal clearance.


>>> Have you tried a longer crank, or are you just building yours up for the 
>>> first time and assuming you'll want more clearance?  (Based perhaps on 
>>> experience with other rivendell models.)  My single conplaint about my 
>>> Susie is that the botgom bracket is too high.  Its not at all like my Clem 
>>> or my other most-ridden mountain bikes from other companies, that are all 
>>> much lower..  I've probably  learned to adjust my pedaling technique from 
>>> previous experience, and my huge 2.8 tires probably have something to do 
>>> with it too but, in case you haven't done so, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Joe Bernard]

Richard, that is a fine and lovely bicycle. Enjoy! 

Joe "I want one" Bernard 

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> You all are right. I just got my wheels / tires and got my first good look 
> at this rig in person. The bb is much higher than I anticipated - within 
> 1/2 centimeter of my full suspension MTB (for sale:)).
> This beast should be a hoot.
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 10, 2023, at 9:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> I run a 172 on my Susie and it is plenty high with the 2.5” for some 
> pretty chunky terrain. I have a 170 on my Clem with 2” and it is about an 
> inch lower. These bikes are so long that I understand wanting a bit more 
> clearance but if a 170 is comfortable I think the bike is high enough to 
> pedal through anything these bikes can pedal through. I’m still getting 
> used to the Susie as a mountain bike really. Chunky climbs are tough for me 
> because if I get off the seat at all, instant loss of traction. Pedal 
> strikes hasn’t been an issue at all though. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 5:58:06 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Fair point(s). As you can imagine, the full suspension bike has a pretty 
>> high bb, though not as high as current comparable bikes. I rarely 
>> experienced pedal strokes even pedaling through stuff that at my age I 
>> probably should not be doing!:)
>> I just looked at available solutions & thought it might be beneficial to 
>> shorten the cranks on the Gus to approximate the clearance I enjoyed on the 
>> suspension bike. To do so would require a 550mm crank arm.
>> To be honest, I had one particular & disconcerting pedal strike riding 
>> the Clem that really got my attention. This was a very familiar sweeping 
>> turn but off camber section that I always pedal through. The pedal dug into 
>> the uphill side of the bank & I nearly crashed. It was just so unexpected. 
>> I’ve accepted the notion that I may have to ride a bit slower & less 
>> aggressive than I am used to. But to the degree that I can minimize these 
>> things with the right choice now seems smart.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:01 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I understand your intent to avoid crank or pedal contact, but personally 
>> I wouldn’t base my crank length on the potential for pedal strikes on rocks 
>> and roots. In this case, I would fall into the camp of being conscious of 
>> the terrain, refining your technique, and being mindful of your own 
>> personal skill level. If you’re getting lots of strikes with say, a 170mm 
>> or 165mm crank, I wouldn’t be confident that going even shorter than that 
>> is going to necessarily solve your issue.
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 7:45 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> Legit question. I am moving from a full suspension trail bike to the 
>> Gus. I have ridden my Clem (27.5 x 2.25) with 173mm cranks and have been 
>> reminded of how alarming pedal strokes can be! But, I really enjoy the 
>> trail experience on the Clem otherwise. I realize the Gus has a slightly 
>> higher BB than the Clem & the Gus is 29 x 2.6. So yes, I am trying to be 
>> mitigate possible problems. I like the Silver crank on the Clem but I will 
>> likely use a 165mm Crank on the Gus. But, I am watching with keen interest 
>> the increasing availability of even shorter cranks.
>> And yes, I know technique comes into play here, and I am looking forward 
>> to refining mine.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 12:01 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 4:59:23 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I am feeling so very lucky to have found a Gus. On the subject of 
>>> Gus/Susie bikes; who among us are using a crankset with shorter than 165mm 
>>> cranks in an effort to improve pedal clearance on rough trails? I’ve been 
>>> researching available cranks and finding interesting possible benefits 
>>> other than pedal clearance.
>>>
>>>
>> Have you tried a longer crank, or are you just building yours up for the 
>> first time and assuming you'll want more clearance?  (Based perhaps on 
>> experience with other rivendell models.)  My single conplaint about my 
>> Susie is that the botgom bracket is too high.  Its not at all like my Clem 
>> or my other most-ridden mountain bikes from other companies, that are all 
>> much lower..  I've probably  learned to adjust my pedaling technique from 
>> previous experience, and my huge 2.8 tires probably have something to do 
>> with it too but, in case you haven't done so, you should try it with 
>> normal/long* cranks to see if it is really an issue. (*mine are 175)
>>
>> On topic - it is definitely sad to see these go.  Grant orginally said 
>> that it might only be the first batch that was fillet brazed, but didn't 
>> suggest that the models would just "disappear."  Seems a shame to throw in 
>> the towel and not keep them going in some form

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto quill-clamp front brake housing stop

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks all again. After looking more closely at the Nitto clamp-on stop I
put in to Rene Herse for an alert when their headset-mount stop is back in
stock. The RH will give another cm or so of drop, which is good given the
crowded housing with the lowish stem (high head and steerer).

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 6:33 AM Kim Hetzel  wrote:

> Hey Patrick,
>
> Nitto Brake Cable Hanger AS-11 Cable Outer Stop:
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/125523753526?epid=13056558044&hash=item1d39cc7a36:g:XxQAAOSwnRljKvHe&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAABAMhnQ0m7%2BPFX2C4UPt9bKLyjaiTP1Uw55hwJEkokd6WtJaVaVWD1ZKF0Yz6%2BdVYWYdH%2Fz6zXT%2FDzVK6lU84FpaNPKmwmcsQfyNcOIjF9XJIroUBq%2F7ep1Ha%2FEWUoaZpfYtuZSwnM89PQm0E87UjUqOSTszEafMpfKoI2GwB0rC%2FPQoWcTZLAs7Ulk4A8dxM8ECsk2UwZlbkysdc%2Buxb%2FmDzgFMQrScYj9%2F%2Bx7LAMu89muHp9ypuCEGnUSOhzbmk%2FwaqYHejvOMWY6u2Z3bFV4y39e8C5xmtC3XtakIMlOKyhnjiGSfPU4%2BizAI4zTlW4enGC%2B7TaaUv0kQ41XCKFrlg%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMpKHl3KNh
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 8:30:15 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I like the look of this hanger and waited way too long to buy a silver
>> one from Blue Lug or Circles while they had them in stock. Ended up with
>> black which was painted, not anodized. Had a lot of fun removing the paint
>> and getting it to a silver that looks like it was in someone's toolbox for
>> 40 years.
>>
>> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 9:15:16 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Danny, David and (offlist) Michael. Looking at it more closely
>>> in the Bluelug and Analog photos, I think I'll hold out for the RH
>>> headset-mount hanger (out of stock) which will give me another cm or so of
>>> drop.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 6:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 From "Joey's Roadini" in today's email. Where can one find this stop? I
 don't see it in Riv's catalogue, and a Google called nothing up.

 Thanks.

 Patrick Moore, who remembers that headset on his 1991 Specialized
 Stumpjumper Team (or was it his 1993 XO-1?).

 [image: image.png]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[Jeremy Till]

The Salsa Cowbell is the shortest drop bar I've found (and used) at 68mm 
reach. Contemporary "short and shallow" type hooks. If you're used to any 
kind of real estate behind the brake lever, however, you might find these 
lacking. Fully on the brake lever hoods is about the only hand position 
they offer in that region. I recently used some for about a year before 
swapping for the VO "Nouveau Randonneur," which has significantly more room 
behind the hoods but is also longer reach. I liked the angle and position 
of the drops on the Cowbells better, though.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thank you, Elizabeth; both those look very possible -- and yes, I should 
> have mentioned that I do want a 31.8mm clamp area.
>
> The Specialized website also showed these with a 15 mm rise: perhaps even 
> better: 
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise-plus-flare/p/155205?color=231077-155205&searchText=21018-3044
>
> I suppose all of these have 128 mm -- 130 mm drop; then the Hover with the 
> 15 mm rise is even better with a net 115 mm drop. Excellent.
>
> Nick: Thanks for referring the Fairweather, but the 2 Specialized bars 
> suit better.
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 3:54 PM Elisabeth Sherwood  
> wrote:
>
>> As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both 
>> Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn 
>> short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp 
>> has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's 
>> is either the same, or 75mm...
>>
>> I'm linking to the base-price versions...
>>
>>
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634
>>
>> https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2
>>
>> If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only 
>> thing I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of 
>> others!
>>
>> Liz
>> Washington, DC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a 
>>> regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a 
>>> very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the 
>>> cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable 
>>> hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
>>> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
>>> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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>>> ---
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[RBW] Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

[Joe Bernard]

This is it kids, 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific. Be there. Aloha. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[amillhench]

Soma hwy 1 is another good (cheap) option in 26 and 31.8. I use them and like 
them but agree there is no place between the tops and hoods. 

Drop: 130mm
Reach: 75mm

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

On Jan 11, 2023, at 18:08, Jeremy Till  wrote:

The Salsa Cowbell is the shortest drop bar I've found (and used) at 68mm 
reach. Contemporary "short and shallow" type hooks. If you're used to any kind 
of real estate behind the brake lever, however, you might find these lacking. 
Fully on the brake lever hoods is about the only hand position they offer in 
that region. I recently used some for about a year before swapping for the VO 
"Nouveau Randonneur," which has significantly more room behind the hoods but is 
also longer reach. I liked the angle and position of the drops on the Cowbells 
better, though.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
> Thank you, Elizabeth; both those look very possible -- and yes, I should have 
> mentioned that I do want a 31.8mm clamp area.
> 
> The Specialized website also showed these with a 15 mm rise: perhaps even 
> better: 
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise-plus-flare/p/155205?color=231077-155205&searchText=21018-3044
> 
> I suppose all of these have 128 mm -- 130 mm drop; then the Hover with the 15 
> mm rise is even better with a net 115 mm drop. Excellent.
> 
> Nick: Thanks for referring the Fairweather, but the 2 Specialized bars suit 
> better.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 3:54 PM Elisabeth Sherwood  
> wrote:
>> As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both 
>> Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn 
>> short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp 
>> has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's 
>> is either the same, or 75mm...
>> 
>> I'm linking to the base-price versions...
>> 
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634
>> 
>> https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2
>> 
>> If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only thing 
>> I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of others!
>> 
>> Liz
>> Washington, DC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a regular 
>>> hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a very 
>>> short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the cut-down 
>>> Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable hood 
>>> position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
>>> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
>>> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks Jeremy and Aaron; both bars are in the running. I still favor the
Specialized Hover bar for its 15 mm rise, but any of these with 31.8 mm
clamp would work.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 6:39 PM  wrote:

> Soma hwy 1 is another good (cheap) option in 26 and 31.8. I use them and
> like them but agree there is no place between the tops and hoods.
>
> Drop: 130mm
> Reach: 75mm
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
> On Jan 11, 2023, at 18:08, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
> The Salsa Cowbell is the shortest drop bar I've found (and used) at 68mm
> reach. Contemporary "short and shallow" type hooks. If you're used to any
> kind of real estate behind the brake lever, however, you might find these
> lacking. Fully on the brake lever hoods is about the only hand position
> they offer in that region. I recently used some for about a year before
> swapping for the VO "Nouveau Randonneur," which has significantly more room
> behind the hoods but is also longer reach. I liked the angle and position
> of the drops on the Cowbells better, though.
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Elizabeth; both those look very possible -- and yes, I should
>> have mentioned that I do want a 31.8mm clamp area.
>>
>> The Specialized website also showed these with a 15 mm rise: perhaps even
>> better:
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise-plus-flare/p/155205?color=231077-155205&searchText=21018-3044
>>
>> I suppose all of these have 128 mm -- 130 mm drop; then the Hover with
>> the 15 mm rise is even better with a net 115 mm drop. Excellent.
>>
>> Nick: Thanks for referring the Fairweather, but the 2 Specialized bars
>> suit better.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 3:54 PM Elisabeth Sherwood <
>> elisabeth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both
>>> Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn
>>> short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp
>>> has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's
>>> is either the same, or 75mm...
>>>
>>> I'm linking to the base-price versions...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634
>>>
>>> https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2
>>>
>>> If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only
>>> thing I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of
>>> others!
>>>
>>> Liz
>>> Washington, DC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a
 regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a
 very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the
 cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable
 hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I
 realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the
 shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.

 Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Anybody taking the plunge for a Gus or Susie?

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 06:25:04 PM MST, Joe Bernard 
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[JohnS]

Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a rear 
rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I may or 
may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them so not a 
priority to have them on the QB.

Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say it 
was better or as good as other brake set ups?

Thanks,
JohnS

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little sad, 
> but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred to run 
> a Minimoto on the rear as well.
>
> Patch in NYC
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 11:44:55 AM UTC-8 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>
>> When I was starting my design process for Paul braking my Quickbeam 
>> everyone said to put touring on the rear.
>> I measured my heel clearance and decided for my bike and fit, that 
>> touring would be unnecessary and neo-retro's would clear fine.
>> However, a set of used touring in my preferred color came up either here 
>> or i-bob first, so I ended up going with them anyways.
>> Definitely measure before you buy tho if you are only considering the 
>> touring for clearance problems, it might not be an issue for you.
>>
>> --ben
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 1:19 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> Since the Quickbeam has a nice, built-in cable hanger at the rear 
>>> (whereas the Simple One relies on an ad-on hanger installed at the seatpost 
>>> clamp bolt), I think it's nice to use canti brakes.  Just my opinion.  I 
>>> had wide profile brakes, like the neo-retro, both front and rear on my 
>>> Quickbeam (and will again when I finish rebuilding it) and never had heel 
>>> clearance problems.   I do have another bike where I needed to use the 
>>> touring on the rear with the neo retro on the front.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Why not do the motolite V brakes ? I bet they rock

 On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 10:19 AM Drew Henson  
 wrote:

> Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the 
> minimotos have all that much clearance depending on tire size.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thank you Mark, good to know.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 
>> esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use 
>>> the same short-pull levers that you would use with the 
>>> touring/neo-retro 
>>> cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers. 
>>>
>>> ~Mark
>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
>>>
>>> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I 
>>> should give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience 
>>> with? I like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and 
>>> minimotos on 
>>> the front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
>>>
>>> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake 
>>> levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using 
>>> Mark/noodle 
>>> drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably 
>>> priced at $30/pair.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions are appreciated,
>>> JohnS
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto racks, brooks saddle, swift bags and more oh my.

[Jason Zakaras]

Price drop on the dos to $115.00 and 60.00 on the saddle plus shipping and 
fees I’d do 175 on the marks hub area rack too 😘

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 12:37:03 PM UTC-6 Jason Zakaras wrote:

> A few great bits and bobs to clear out: all items priced net to me: 
>
> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/151340 
>
>
> Nitto Mini Campee used sparingly for about 30 miles on a riv SimpleOne : 
> $100.00 
>
>
> Nitto Marks front area hub rack new never installed, decided on a 
> different route: $200.00
>
>
> brooks b17 : $75.00
>
>
> swift industries jr ranger panniers, coyote - new, never used - $225.00
>
>
> rons pec Dec new in bag - 50.00
>
>
> white industries dos freewheel 20/22 - $150.00
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Jason Zakaras]

another vote for the touring Canti rear/ Neo retro front set up, I had it 
on my simple one and now on my QB and love the power modulation and look... 
its a stunner

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:50:15 PM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:

> Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a rear 
> rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I may or 
> may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them so not a 
> priority to have them on the QB.
>
> Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say it 
> was better or as good as other brake set ups?
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>
>> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
>> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
>> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little sad, 
>> but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred to run 
>> a Minimoto on the rear as well.
>>
>> Patch in NYC
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 11:44:55 AM UTC-8 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>>
>>> When I was starting my design process for Paul braking my Quickbeam 
>>> everyone said to put touring on the rear.
>>> I measured my heel clearance and decided for my bike and fit, that 
>>> touring would be unnecessary and neo-retro's would clear fine.
>>> However, a set of used touring in my preferred color came up either here 
>>> or i-bob first, so I ended up going with them anyways.
>>> Definitely measure before you buy tho if you are only considering the 
>>> touring for clearance problems, it might not be an issue for you.
>>>
>>> --ben
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 1:19 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>>>
 Since the Quickbeam has a nice, built-in cable hanger at the rear 
 (whereas the Simple One relies on an ad-on hanger installed at the 
 seatpost 
 clamp bolt), I think it's nice to use canti brakes.  Just my opinion.  I 
 had wide profile brakes, like the neo-retro, both front and rear on my 
 Quickbeam (and will again when I finish rebuilding it) and never had heel 
 clearance problems.   I do have another bike where I needed to use the 
 touring on the rear with the neo retro on the front.

 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Why not do the motolite V brakes ? I bet they rock
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 10:19 AM Drew Henson  
> wrote:
>
>> Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the 
>> minimotos have all that much clearance depending on tire size.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Mark, good to know.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 
>>> esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 John,

 The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use 
 the same short-pull levers that you would use with the 
 touring/neo-retro 
 cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull 
 levers. 

 ~Mark
 Raleigh, NC


 On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:

 The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I 
 should give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience 
 with? I like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and 
 minimotos on 
 the front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.



 https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/

 The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake 
 levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using 
 Mark/noodle 
 drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably 
 priced at $30/pair.

 Any suggestions are appreciated,
 JohnS

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Re: [RBW] Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

[iamkeith]

Wish I could afford to buy a second frame to keep as a spare.

Just throwing this out there in case somebody is on the fenve because what 
they really want is a Large Susie in the construction pumpkin orange color, 
but it isn't available anymore:  if you get a large dark gold frame, I will 
trade you for my orange.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:48:09 PM UTC-7 Scott wrote:

> Anybody taking the plunge for a Gus or Susie?
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 06:25:04 PM MST, Joe Bernard <
> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> This is it kids, 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific. Be there. Aloha.  
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[RBW] Fender and my Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Hey all! I just swapped out my beefy Maxxis tires for some 2.25” Schwalbe 
Allround tires. Would I be able to get by with the SimWorks x Honjo Flat 
65? Or would I need the Flat 80? And how’s the fit? Any input much 
appreciated. 

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[RBW] Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Hey all! I just swapped out my beefy Maxxis tires for some 2.25” Schwalbe 
Allround tires. Would I be able to get by with the SimWorks x Honjo Flat 
65? Or would I need the Flat 80? And how’s the fit? Any input much 
appreciated.

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[RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Or even a Smooth 74?

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:38:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Hey all! I just swapped out my beefy Maxxis tires for some 2.25” Schwalbe 
> Allround tires. Would I be able to get by with the SimWorks x Honjo Flat 
> 65? Or would I need the Flat 80? And how’s the fit? Any input much 
> appreciated.
>

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[RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Kim Hetzel]

Kevin Purcell is co-owner of Golden Pliers in Portland, Oregon. ...left 
this out.

Kim.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:51:08 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> Hi Luke,
>
> On my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike, I am running a pair of Schwalbe Rapid Rob 
> 29x2.25 ". As one of my last upgrades for my bike are the SimWorks Honjo 
> Smooth 74 steel fenders as yet to be.   
>
> Before I came confident in a decision about which fenders I should buy for 
> my bike, I had emailed Steve Smith, the General Manager at SimWorks in 
> Portland, Oregon. He said that the Smooth 74s' would work. Steve referred 
> me to Kevin, who owns an orange Rivendell Clementine bike. Kevin's bike has 
> the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders. He had to modify the rear fender; cutting out 
> a section for clearance for the chain above the chain stay. See attached 
> pictures. I did not ask at the time what size tires Kevin is running on his 
> bike. I was more concerned about what shim size I needed for a 27.2mm seat 
> post for my Clem. 
>
> All in all, I can say that the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders with accommodate 
> 29x2.25" or 57.15mm tires. In the description of the those fenders on the 
> SimWorks website, the maximum tire size is 58~mm. 
>
> Hope this helps and not to confuse you.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA 
>
> ..changing out my chain and rear derailleur to new.
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:00:16 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Or even a Smooth 74?
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:38:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all! I just swapped out my beefy Maxxis tires for some 2.25” 
>>> Schwalbe Allround tires. Would I be able to get by with the SimWorks x 
>>> Honjo Flat 65? Or would I need the Flat 80? And how’s the fit? Any input 
>>> much appreciated.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Kim! Fantastic news. I had hoped the smooth would be operable as they look 
to have better coverage than the Flat 80. I appreciate the help here! 
Ordering pronto. 

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:59:09 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Kevin Purcell is co-owner of Golden Pliers in Portland, Oregon. ...left 
> this out.
>
> Kim.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:51:08 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
>> Hi Luke,
>>
>> On my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike, I am running a pair of Schwalbe Rapid Rob 
>> 29x2.25 ". As one of my last upgrades for my bike are the SimWorks Honjo 
>> Smooth 74 steel fenders as yet to be.   
>>
>> Before I came confident in a decision about which fenders I should buy 
>> for my bike, I had emailed Steve Smith, the General Manager at SimWorks in 
>> Portland, Oregon. He said that the Smooth 74s' would work. Steve referred 
>> me to Kevin, who owns an orange Rivendell Clementine bike. Kevin's bike has 
>> the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders. He had to modify the rear fender; cutting out 
>> a section for clearance for the chain above the chain stay. See attached 
>> pictures. I did not ask at the time what size tires Kevin is running on his 
>> bike. I was more concerned about what shim size I needed for a 27.2mm seat 
>> post for my Clem. 
>>
>> All in all, I can say that the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders with accommodate 
>> 29x2.25" or 57.15mm tires. In the description of the those fenders on the 
>> SimWorks website, the maximum tire size is 58~mm. 
>>
>> Hope this helps and not to confuse you.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA 
>>
>> ..changing out my chain and rear derailleur to new.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:00:16 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Or even a Smooth 74?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:38:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey all! I just swapped out my beefy Maxxis tires for some 2.25” 
 Schwalbe Allround tires. Would I be able to get by with the SimWorks x 
 Honjo Flat 65? Or would I need the Flat 80? And how’s the fit? Any input 
 much appreciated.

>>>

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