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[RBW] Re: Bosco for small bikes

2024-01-22 Thread Joe Bernard

Yeah the second one has never made sense. It'll get your bars up high on a 
bike with a tiny headtube but said bike will also have a short toptube. 

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:12:32 PM UTC-8 peter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello everyone
>
> The rivbike page for the Bosco handlebars mentions this -
>
> "Here’s its best use:
> - Longish top tube bikes and upright riding. Mountain bike conversions to 
> supa-comfee cruisers.
> - Making too-small bikes fit and feel better."
>
> I think I understand the first use - since the handlebar reaches far back 
> it would make long reach bikes easier to fit. How do you make sense of the 
> second one? Wouldn't it make the small bikes feel smaller? Or perhaps the 
> reference is to the handlebars rise and not reach?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Peter
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver crank arm trade

2024-01-22 Thread LeRoy

There also exists a 173mm Silver crank arm size. If that would also suit 
your needs, you can expand your search possibilities by adding the 173 size 
t to your wish list.

Leroy

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:36:54 PM UTC-5 Luke Whitmore wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I have a Clem H (size 59) that came to me with the stock Silver cranks at 
> the 178 length with the 38/24 double chainring setup. I'm thinking that I 
> would like to explore using a shorter crank. I'm curious is there is anyone 
> out there who has the same setup but with 170 length Silver cranks. If so 
> perhaps we could explore a crank arm trade. Please DM me to explore this 
> further, request pictures, etc...
>
> best,
>
>
> Luke
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

2024-01-22 Thread Tony Lockhart

@Patrick - Leo is a bit more nimble and rigid to a comparably spec'd Sam. 
Sam seems a bit more flexy, especially with out of the seat climbing. Seems 
like the Sam is all over the place when it comes to steering--my Leo seems 
to track way better at low speeds. For context, I've had a million setups 
on my Sam during the last 14 years and it's currently running a flat bar, 
2x8 setup, on 44mm RH tires. My Leo is running a drop bar, 3x8 setup, and 
32mm Pasela TGs.38mm Shikoros arriving this Wednesday. Sam used to have 
the same parts currently on the Leo. I think the differences are very 
slightboth bikes are amazing.

@Jay - Congrats on the purchase--you picked a winner. Like you, I also 
purchased a dark gold 57cm frame. I couldn't be happier. Leo is a champ.
On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 5:32:46 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Piaw: I'm curious, how light is your Roadini?
>
> More general question to the audience: How does the current Roadini differ 
> from the original Sam Hillborne? I owned one of the latter and it would be 
> interesting to use this Sam as a gauge for understanding the Roadini.
>
> Aside: I'm thinking (just thinking; action may come but later) of turning 
> that Libertas into an on-and-offroad beater because I think it will take a 
> 38 mm tire. The original issue Sam was limited to IIRC 38 or 40 mm tires so 
> I hope that this might be a more nimble handling and lighter (and 
> beater-sh) Sam surrogate.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 8:44 PM Piaw Na  wrote:
>
>> I went with 11s and a single DT shifter (I'm running 1x11) and I treat my 
>> Roadini as a gravel bike. It's great. Usually I climb on the road so 
>> shifting is not a problem, and descending who cares what gears you're in. 
>> But on the few occasions I did a a dirt climb and I'd just shift into the 
>> lowest gear and stay there. My goal for the Roadini was to make it as light 
>> as possible (given the relatively heavy frame) while still able to do hard 
>> climbs. It hasn't disappointed.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:06:45 PM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Just curious, if you are using 11sp, why not use integrated 
>>> shifters/levers? To each their own for sure, but I can't imagine DT 
>>> shifters on a mixed-surface trail unless it's really smooth.. heck, I don't 
>>> even care for bar-ends on a trail.. but those RRL levers are super nice! 
>>>
>>> I'm leaning hard into a Roadini that I may put a Campy 10 Triple group I 
>>> have on it.. 
>>>
>>> Chris 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:55 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:
>>>
 First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds 
 like a good place...my new happy place ;-)

 I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that 
 sells Riv (C Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll 
 be visiting Montreal.

 Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now 
 though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using 
 those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill 
 wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the 
 winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL 
 brake 
 levers, and Tektro brakes.

 Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved, 
 but there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on 
 local 
 mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will 
 be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!

 Photos to come in February.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Build is complete

2024-01-22 Thread Tony Lockhart

Solid bike, Brent! So glad to see how nicely it turned out, especially with 
that gorgeous silver drivetrain.

I've got about 300ish miles on my Roadini now and I couldn't be happier. 
Oddly enough, I have been spending more time on my Hillborne because I 
don't want to feel guilty by leaving it in the garage. Can't wait to hear 
your impression by the end of the summer.almost wondering if you'll 
prefer the Leo to the Sam.

Happy trails,
Tony

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:27:41 PM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Took the Roadini for a 3 mile test ride and safety check and got some 
> initial impressions. 
>
> 1. It felt expectedly similar to my Sam. The cockpit was a direct swap 
> from Sam to Leo, makes sense. I bombed a lil hill that turned into gravel, 
> felt very stable even when a dog ran out at me to join at my flank. I then 
> climbed a steep street, seated in 36Fx30R, which is promising knowing I 
> have a 24t option in front and will climb longer/steeper. If I stripped my 
> Sam and put on slicks I’d be just as fast. Do I regret building this bike? 
> Not yet and not likely. 
>
> 2. This seat won’t suit me for longer rides. My sit bones felt like they 
> were on a wood beam. 
>
> 3. Even with the tall stack, sloped top tube, and my long arms, I still 
> wished my hoods were 2” closer to me. 
>
> Sunshine has yet to hit this bike.  ¯\_(˘͡ ˘̯)_/¯ 
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2024, at 2:21 PM, Jay  wrote:
>
> Looks great.  You have me questioning the Dark Gold I selected ;-)
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> For the seat height inquiries:
>>
>> Both my bikes are currently 41” top of saddle to the ground. The Roadini 
>> has less BB drop so top of saddle to crank bolt center is 31”, where the 
>> Sam is 31.5”. I may end up raising the saddle on the Roadini. Hard to 
>> compare a broken in B17 to C17 as well. I could probably raise both seats 
>> 1” and still have a knee bend at bottom of pedal stroke. 
>>
>> I am 6’1” with 89cm PBH 
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2024, at 11:10 AM, John Bokman  wrote:
>>
>> Brenton, thanks for the post; nice looking bike. As weather allows, 
>> please let us know how this bike rides compared to your Sam (especially 
>> when it was in drop-bar mode). I'm sure I'm not the only Sam rider who is 
>> curious about this comparison.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:49:51 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't ridden it enough to decide if it was the perfect +1 yet, but 
>>> it was a fun project. I will report back after some miles.
>>>
>>> It was great way to spend my time during 2 weeks of Portland 
>>> snow+ice+wind. Did lots of research, and learned a ton more about 
>>> components I was only mildly interested in before. Shopping for NOS+used 
>>> parts on eBay was surprisingly fun, especially if you're after components 
>>> that most folks ignore. I watched all the "built by blue lug" videos, 
>>> highly recommend watching for both zen, appreciation of expertise, and 
>>> educational instruction (though they are not intentionally instructional).
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell and Brooks B68 short film

2024-01-22 Thread Corwin Zechar

I'm not a fan of long wheelbase bikes either. Although - amusingly, I have 
definitely spent more time on my Hubbuhubbuh and the Cunningham Hubbuhubbuh 
than all my other bikes put togeter.

Try finding a longer wheelbase bike than a Hubbuhubbuh.

Regards,


Corwin

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 12:15:06 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:

> I think it might just be…but at the least pleasantly harmless and sweet. 
> And  they all having such a good time. 
>
> Tho try as I might the long-wheelbase bikes just don’t flip my switch. 
> This got me going quite a while ago and I’m still chasing it. Rather odd I 
> suppose. 
>
>
> Jock
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:39 AM eddietheflay  wrote:
>
>> All those guys wearing those hats look like a cult :).
>>
>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:32:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 
>>> VS--YouTube-BrooksEnglandTheB68isbackftRivendellBicycleWorks-0’45”.jpg]
>>>
>>> Brooks just released the 16mm film they made with the Rivendell staff 
>>> :0) Quite fun! 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBIryCWhgBc
>>>
>>> The saddles are now available from Brooks! 
>>> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/b68.html
>>>
>>> I wonder if this means we can buy a B68 directly from Rivendell now? 
>>> Seems like Riv was holding back for Brooks to launch the revived saddle. 
>>>
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[RBW] Bosco for small bikes

2024-01-22 Thread Peter Fray

Hello everyone

The rivbike page for the Bosco handlebars mentions this -

"Here’s its best use:
- Longish top tube bikes and upright riding. Mountain bike conversions to 
supa-comfee cruisers.
- Making too-small bikes fit and feel better."

I think I understand the first use - since the handlebar reaches far back 
it would make long reach bikes easier to fit. How do you make sense of the 
second one? Wouldn't it make the small bikes feel smaller? Or perhaps the 
reference is to the handlebars rise and not reach?

Thanks for your thoughts,
Peter

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bay Area S24Os?

2024-01-22 Thread christian poppell

Hey Jesse,

I've visited Samuel P many times via bike. Pre 2020, hiker biker site at 
Samuel P was no reservation required. Even when the hiker/biker was "full" 
there was always enough room to squeeze in. The best part of sharing the 
site with others is hearing their stories. Some were overnighters like me, 
others were from Europe and hiking up the California coast. You might want 
to check on the policies of the state park as many things have changed 
since 2020.

Riding to go camping was a revelation for me. I could ride to a 
destination, sleep, then ride back which doubled the distance between 
points I could ride in a day. It sounds silly writing it out but was 
totally mind blowing at the time as all my rides prior were planned around 
getting back to where I started. 

Here's a write up I did back in 2017 about riding up to Samuel P on a 
Quickbeam.
 https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/8AYdSsNsh7E/m/h5unB6v_AwAJ  

Please give us an update after your trip. always enjoy reading others ride 
reports :)

Christian
Phoenix, AZ
On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 2:40:02 PM UTC-7 jesse.b...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks! I was able to a camp reservation in Feb for Angel Isand, i'll 
> report back on how it went. 
>
> Donzaemon - I think most "require" a reservation, but some do have first 
> some site for bikers/hikers. A few friends also let me know that they have 
> never had an issue showing up during the week. Weekends are probably a 
> different story.
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:04:36 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:
>
>> Does one need a reservation to camp there? Trying to plan a trip there 
>> this spring and most of the weekend slots are gone.
>>
>> Don
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:43:26 AM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> Angel Island is an oft-overlooked destination. 
>>> SP Taylor State Park (though in a valley and tends to be a bit damp)
>>> China Camp State Park
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:31:42 AM UTC-8 jesse.b...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello! I am hoping to do a lot more quick overnight trips this year 
 and was wondering if people had favorite rides and camp spots in the bay 
 area? I have a few Marin sites on my list (Pantoll, Hawk).

 I live in SF, but not opposed to taking bart as part of the trip.

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Bridgestone MB5 + Goodies

2024-01-22 Thread Maxwell Seebeck

21"

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:03:39 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Size?
>
> On Jan 22, 2024, at 5:32 PM, Maxwell Seebeck  wrote:
>
> Hello! I have a wonderful MB5 up for grabs, unfortunately the garage is 
> getting full and the parts bin needs to be thinned out, plus I haven't 
> ridden this bike all year so it is time to let it go!. I got this from a 
> trade in at a bikeshop, and have configured it in a handful of ways since 
> 2021 and would be an awesome project build for some one looking to build it 
> up how they want to use it! Frame is in very good condition and has no 
> major surface rust. I put T9 in the frame once a year since I got the bike. 
> Hanger is straight and has never been crashed under my watch. Brakes and 
> drivetrain are NOT operating and you will need to do this yourself or have 
> a shop/buddy do it for you! I have it this way so you can set it up how you 
> want to, as I am also including multiple handlebars and stems with the 
> price.
>
>
> I am asking for $750 and that includes everything that is pictured
> **NOT PICTURED: DEORE 9SP MECH** 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/CuTW9pD31GWCoKxv9
>
> ok, everything that is included for $750 (Also open to reasonable offers, 
> no trades, would prefer local pick up (Issaquah,WA)) Frame: Bridgestone MB5 
> (Tange Cro-mo) Rear Wheel: Wheelsmith Double wall, HG 10sp Front Wheel: 
> Handbuilt Kasai Dynacoil RB Dynamo Hub w/ Alex Adventure Rim DT: Shimano 
> Sora 2x cranks, 9sp Shimano Cassette, 9sp Deore rear mech, Suntour ARX 
> front mech, deore friction shifter front, Microshift front friction but 
> used on rear. Brakes: Tektro V brakes w/ basic V brake levers Headset: FSA 
> Orbital something 1" Stem: Jim Stem: 4bolt 31.8 8cm Bars: Sim Works Rambler 
> Bar EXTRAS THAT ARE INCLUDED: 2 Rat Trap Pass Standard Casing Tires Set of 
> SKS bluemels Fenders Soma Front Rack Tubus Rear Rack (STAINLESS STEEL!!) 
> Front/Rear Shimano Deore Rim Brake hubs Extra Alex Adventure Rim to match 
> the front 3 different Handlebars -Rivendell Bosco Bar -Nitto Albatross Bar 
> -Nitto city bar? (its the black one) Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 25.4 Things you 
> will need: -Seatpost + saddle, its an odd size but I have the one that came 
> with so you can measure that. I have some cheap saddles if you want one 
> -Chain, I probably have a chain if you want a used chain -Pedals, I have 
> plenty if you want some flat pedals Shoot me an offer!
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Re: [RBW] Bridgestone MB5 + Goodies

2024-01-22 Thread Brian Turner

Size?On Jan 22, 2024, at 5:32 PM, Maxwell Seebeck wrote:Hello! I have a wonderful MB5 up for grabs, unfortunately the garage is getting full and the parts bin needs to be thinned out, plus I haven't ridden this bike all year so it is time to let it go!. I got this from a trade in at a bikeshop, and have configured it in a handful of ways since 2021 and would be an awesome project build for some one looking to build it up how they want to use it! Frame is in very good condition and has no major surface rust. I put T9 in the frame once a year since I got the bike. Hanger is straight and has never been crashed under my watch. Brakes and drivetrain are NOT operating and you will need to do this yourself or have a shop/buddy do it for you! I have it this way so you can set it up how you want to, as I am also including multiple handlebars and stems with the price.I am asking for $750 and that includes everything that is pictured**NOT PICTURED: DEORE 9SP MECH** https://photos.app.goo.gl/CuTW9pD31GWCoKxv9
ok, everything that is included for $750 (Also open to reasonable offers, no trades, would prefer local pick up (Issaquah,WA))

Frame: Bridgestone MB5 (Tange Cro-mo)
Rear Wheel: Wheelsmith Double wall, HG 10sp
Front Wheel: Handbuilt Kasai Dynacoil RB Dynamo Hub w/ Alex Adventure Rim
DT: Shimano Sora 2x cranks, 9sp Shimano Cassette, 9sp Deore rear mech, Suntour ARX front mech, deore friction shifter front, Microshift front friction but used on rear.
Brakes: Tektro V brakes w/ basic V brake levers
Headset: FSA Orbital something 1"
Stem: Jim Stem: 4bolt 31.8 8cm
Bars: Sim Works Rambler Bar

EXTRAS THAT ARE INCLUDED:
2 Rat Trap Pass Standard Casing Tires
Set of SKS bluemels Fenders
Soma Front Rack
Tubus Rear Rack (STAINLESS STEEL!!)
Front/Rear Shimano Deore Rim Brake hubs
Extra Alex Adventure Rim to match the front
3 different Handlebars
-Rivendell Bosco Bar
-Nitto Albatross Bar
-Nitto city bar? (its the black one)
Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 25.4

Things you will need:
-Seatpost + saddle, its an odd size but I have the one that came with so you can measure that. I have some cheap saddles if you want one
-Chain, I probably have a chain if you want a used chain
-Pedals, I have plenty if you want some flat pedals

Shoot me an offer!

Re: [RBW] Re: HELP: My wife stole my Platypus

2024-01-22 Thread Drurad (Sacramento)

Still in search.  Had a close call on a 56 Atlantis that actually turned 
out to be a 53.  And Vernon found his Hunq a new home (congrats to the new 
owner).  I am now looking at a 56 on Facebook Marketplace.  Pretty far from 
home, but maybe I could swing it.  Quick question: Can someone look at the 
pics and tell me what's going on with the chainstay near the dropout.  It 
looks kinda curvy to me.  I can't tell if my eyes are playing trick on me.  
I read that some of the Toyo Atlantis models had curvy chainstays.  I had a 
58 once and it did have a pretty serious curve near the crank to allow for 
more tire clearance with a shorter chainstay (downside was that it was hard 
to fit a double crank without a super long BB).  I have never seen this 
other curve near the dropouts.  What do you all think?

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1271004613561351/?referralSurface=messenger_lightspeed_banner=messenger_banner

Thanks in advance,

Andrew

On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 10:05:02 PM UTC-8 Drurad (Sacramento) 
wrote:

> That's incredible marriage advice! Happy wife, happy bike, happy life.  
> Hubbuhubbuh for the win.  
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 6:53 AM mgst...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Marriage counseling is mandatory, and the directive = get a hubbuhubbuh, 
>> or you might want to call it a double platypus.
>> [image: Results for- bikes - 1 of 1.jpeg]
>>
>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 10:57:43 AM UTC-5 Drurad (Sacramento) 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I recently found a new home for my 60 Cheviot (wonderful guy: J Imler - 
>>> see his post: 
>>>
>>>  
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/9F0fvENp3i8/m/vyhQlH8DBAAJ
>>>
>>> I then found a Platypus that was more in my size range:
>>>
>>> [image: F5697369-C0A5-48C8-971D-078D405FB04F.jpeg]
>>>
>>> However, as soon as my wife laid eyes on it, it was no longer mine.  She 
>>> has decided to steal my Platypus and give up her 51 Sam (I will list FS her 
>>> tuxedo Sam on the list soon).  
>>>
>>> This point of friction in our marriage can only be remedied in one way - 
>>> by me getting a new bike.  
>>>
>>> So, I am in search of a new bike.  And I have set my ambitions high on 
>>> this one.  I am reaching out to see if anyone has one of the following 
>>> bikes (frameset preferred) that they would be willing to part with:
>>>
>>> 1. Hunq - 54 
>>> 2. Atlantis - Toyo/Waterford - 56
>>> 3. Another Riv that shares a family resemblance with either of these two.
>>>
>>> Not only would it go to a good home, but you would be saving an 
>>> otherwise good marriage.  
>>>
>>> Happy Trails,
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

2024-01-22 Thread eddietheflay


Features:
   
   - Shimano SM-SH56 SPD Multi-Release Cleats are durable and reliable 
   2-bolt cleats that allow you to clip out of your pedal by twisting your 
   foot in either direction or by lifting and twisting your heel


   - Beginner Friendly: Featuring a 13-degree clip-out angle and 
   multi-release functionality that allows you to quickly get out of your 
   pedals when the need arises. These cleats are a great choice for anyone new 
   to clipless pedals


   - Customizable: Engineered specifically to work with nearly all Shimano 
   SPD pedals, which allow you to micro-adjust the spring force required to 
   clip in and out of your pedals


   - Secure Engagement: Deliver 4 degrees of float, which assures just the 
   right amount of movement while also providing adequate pedal engagement 
   security


   - Built to Last: Made from heat treated forged steel that delivers 
   durable long lasting performance even under the most severe riding 
   conditions


On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 11:28:41 AM UTC-8 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
wrote:

> I'm a newbie as to Shimano SPD 
>
> what is the difference between the 51 and the 56 cleat?
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  *Attorneys**:*  Pursuant to the new LA. C.C.P. art. 1313 (c), please 
> serve 
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *eddietheflay
> *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2024 1:26 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation
>
>  
>
> Don't overlook the alternate cleats that allow for easier in and out.
>
>  
>
> https://ride.shimano.com/products/sm-sh56
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:16:34 AM UTC-8 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
> wrote:
>
> The only nos A 600 I found was $138.00 on ebay 
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Toshi Takeuchi
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 9:36 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation
>
>  
>
> I recommend using the A600 if you can find them, because (similar to most 
> road pedals) they return to the upright position with the pedal 
> perpendicular to the ground, so you can clip in without looking.  The ES600 
> spins 360, so the pedal can be upside down or any which way when you go to 
> clip back in, so you might need to rotate the pedal 180 degrees into the 
> correct position when you clip in.
>
>  
>
> With that said, I still chose the ES600 when I replaced my Look Keo 
> pedals, so I can walk around more comfortably and can live with the extra 
> effort when I clip in. 
>
>  
>
> Toshi
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[RBW] Re: FS: Two pairs of the new MUSA shorts sz. L & a Woolywarm wool jersey sz. XL

2024-01-22 Thread Daniel Rooke

Jersey has sold.

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:58:37 PM UTC-7 Daniel Rooke wrote:

> Amending prices to $60 for either pair of shorts and the jersey is $65 
> shipped.
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:00:08 PM UTC-7 Daniel Rooke wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have one Black and one Ranger Green pair of the new MUSA shorts for 
>> sale. Two small marks on the right rear pocket of the green shorts.  Both 
>> are size large and weren't worn much.
>>  
>> $70 for the black and $65 for the green or $110 for both.
>>
>> The Woolywarm jersey is navy merino wool and no size tag so I'll provide 
>> the measurements below.  It's in excellent condition.  I never wore it but 
>> bought it from someone else, although it looks almost new. Maybe they 
>> didn't wear it either?  It's really, really nice and if it fit me I'd keep 
>> it.  
>>
>> Armpit to armpit: 22"
>> Collar to hem: 30"
>> Collar to end of the short sleeve is 14"
>>
>> All prices include shipping.
>>
>> If you want everything let's say $160.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Photos 
>> 
>>
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[RBW] Bridgestone MB5 + Goodies

2024-01-22 Thread Maxwell Seebeck

Hello! I have a wonderful MB5 up for grabs, unfortunately the garage is
getting full and the parts bin needs to be thinned out, plus I haven't
ridden this bike all year so it is time to let it go!. I got this from a
trade in at a bikeshop, and have configured it in a handful of ways since
2021 and would be an awesome project build for some one looking to build it
up how they want to use it! Frame is in very good condition and has no
major surface rust. I put T9 in the frame once a year since I got the bike.
Hanger is straight and has never been crashed under my watch. Brakes and
drivetrain are NOT operating and you will need to do this yourself or have
a shop/buddy do it for you! I have it this way so you can set it up how you
want to, as I am also including multiple handlebars and stems with the
price.

I am asking for $750 and that includes everything that is pictured
**NOT PICTURED: DEORE 9SP MECH**

https://photos.app.goo.gl/CuTW9pD31GWCoKxv9

ok, everything that is included for $750 (Also open to reasonable offers,
no trades, would prefer local pick up (Issaquah,WA)) Frame: Bridgestone MB5
(Tange Cro-mo) Rear Wheel: Wheelsmith Double wall, HG 10sp Front Wheel:
Handbuilt Kasai Dynacoil RB Dynamo Hub w/ Alex Adventure Rim DT: Shimano
Sora 2x cranks, 9sp Shimano Cassette, 9sp Deore rear mech, Suntour ARX
front mech, deore friction shifter front, Microshift front friction but
used on rear. Brakes: Tektro V brakes w/ basic V brake levers Headset: FSA
Orbital something 1" Stem: Jim Stem: 4bolt 31.8 8cm Bars: Sim Works Rambler
Bar EXTRAS THAT ARE INCLUDED: 2 Rat Trap Pass Standard Casing Tires Set of
SKS bluemels Fenders Soma Front Rack Tubus Rear Rack (STAINLESS STEEL!!)
Front/Rear Shimano Deore Rim Brake hubs Extra Alex Adventure Rim to match
the front 3 different Handlebars -Rivendell Bosco Bar -Nitto Albatross Bar
-Nitto city bar? (its the black one) Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 25.4 Things you
will need: -Seatpost + saddle, its an odd size but I have the one that came
with so you can measure that. I have some cheap saddles if you want one
-Chain, I probably have a chain if you want a used chain -Pedals, I have
plenty if you want some flat pedals Shoot me an offer!

[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?

2024-01-22 Thread aeroperf

I wanted a “medium” touring bike, so I got an A Homer Hilsen frame.
I was also impressed with how the 24mm, eternal bearing, Hollowtech II
drive system felt. It was, to my feet, noticeably stiffer than the square
taper BBs I had been using for years.

So, loath to screw up a Rivendell frame, I bought an ’82 Team Fuji from
Craigslist, and used the rebuild of that to determine how to pull a square
taper BB and put on the Hollowtech BBR60. I also put on a few other
goodies (Sora 3030 system,105 brakes, Velocity Road rear hub, re-laced the
wheels) to learn how it all worked.

I learned that those spacers we’ve been referring to are fragile and don’t
want to be between two moving parts. Also that you put the drive side
external cup on, then run the crank through, then screw on the non-drive
side cup instead of trying to push the crank through a fully assembled BB
(my LBS taught me that). Also that putting on the crank, then measuring
the chainline, then pulling off the crank to change the drive side spacers
was an iterative process.

Then I built up the Homer with the MT800 BB and the Shimano FC-M590 triple
crank. It only took one iteration of spacers to get the chainline. The
MT800 worked perfectly on the 68mm BB shell. I also - wanting to see if
this stuff was interchangeable - pulled it all off at one point and tried a
Token TK878EX BB. The Token was cheaper then, and came in AHH Blue. It
also worked perfectly.

The Homer was not my longed-for perfect tourer, so I passed it on for a
Soma Saga. But I kept the drive and BB. The Saga also has a 68mm BB shell
and 135mm rear spacing. Only one iteration to get the spacers/chainline
right, and they are a different config from the Homer, but it works great.

Other lessons learned - the 24mm bottom bracket is more fragile than a
sealed square-taper BB (also more fragile than the good old 1/4 inch ball
bearings in an un-sealed square-taper setup). I ruined one 24mm BB before
I asked my LBS and got a lesson in installation. I also got told that the
24mm BB has to be replaced more often just from use. I haven’t killed one
yet, but if your crank starts making a hissing sound, check the BB first.

Going back to Keith’s original post, a little asymmetry is the price paid
for a correct chainline when your crank shaft is fixed length. Spacers and
assembly iterations are the price paid for a 24mm BB that is supposed to
fit both 73mm and 68mm shells - it must be built for the bigger size. Max,
the MTN should work fine, for a few grams extra weight, and might last
longer. And, finally, if you hit a snag ask your LBS. They've had to deal
with this stuff for years.

Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

2024-01-22 Thread Jay

While I'm not concerned with the weight I'll land on after the build, I 
would like to keep up with my friend who I ride weekly with.  He's good 
going my speed (he's naturally faster), and I'm hoping the speed on this 
bike isn't much lower than my current road bike.  Like many say, it's the 
total weight including the rider that counts...so I started eating better 
since ordering the frame to see if total weight is the same, or better!  I 
do have a second wheel set I'm planning to use, occasionally, and those 
wheels together with then 30mm tires will be lighter, and have better hubs 
(will be interesting to see how they feel when riding compared to the other 
wheels with 43mm GKSS).

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:34:41 AM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> It weighed 23 pounds with pump, water bottle cage, pedals but no toolkit: 
> https://blog.piaw.net/2022/10/putting-together-my-roadini.html
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 5:32 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Piaw: I'm curious, how light is your Roadini?
>>
>> More general question to the audience: How does the current Roadini 
>> differ from the original Sam Hillborne? I owned one of the latter and it 
>> would be interesting to use this Sam as a gauge for understanding the 
>> Roadini.
>>
>> Aside: I'm thinking (just thinking; action may come but later) of turning 
>> that Libertas into an on-and-offroad beater because I think it will take a 
>> 38 mm tire. The original issue Sam was limited to IIRC 38 or 40 mm tires so 
>> I hope that this might be a more nimble handling and lighter (and 
>> beater-sh) Sam surrogate.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 8:44 PM Piaw Na  wrote:
>>
>>> I went with 11s and a single DT shifter (I'm running 1x11) and I treat 
>>> my Roadini as a gravel bike. It's great. Usually I climb on the road so 
>>> shifting is not a problem, and descending who cares what gears you're in. 
>>> But on the few occasions I did a a dirt climb and I'd just shift into the 
>>> lowest gear and stay there. My goal for the Roadini was to make it as light 
>>> as possible (given the relatively heavy frame) while still able to do hard 
>>> climbs. It hasn't disappointed.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:06:45 PM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Just curious, if you are using 11sp, why not use integrated 
 shifters/levers? To each their own for sure, but I can't imagine DT 
 shifters on a mixed-surface trail unless it's really smooth.. heck, I 
 don't 
 even care for bar-ends on a trail.. but those RRL levers are super nice! 

 I'm leaning hard into a Roadini that I may put a Campy 10 Triple group 
 I have on it.. 

 Chris 

 On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:55 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:

> First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this 
> sounds like a good place...my new happy place ;-)
>
> I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that 
> sells Riv (C Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll 
> be visiting Montreal.
>
> Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For 
> now though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be 
> using those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some 
> handbill wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my 
> Fargo 
> in the winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro 
> RRL brake levers, and Tektro brakes.
>
> Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved, 
> but there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on 
> local 
> mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will 
> be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!
>
> Photos to come in February.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Build is complete

2024-01-22 Thread Jay

Looks great.  You have me questioning the Dark Gold I selected ;-)

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> For the seat height inquiries:
>
> Both my bikes are currently 41” top of saddle to the ground. The Roadini 
> has less BB drop so top of saddle to crank bolt center is 31”, where the 
> Sam is 31.5”. I may end up raising the saddle on the Roadini. Hard to 
> compare a broken in B17 to C17 as well. I could probably raise both seats 
> 1” and still have a knee bend at bottom of pedal stroke. 
>
> I am 6’1” with 89cm PBH 
>
> On Jan 22, 2024, at 11:10 AM, John Bokman  wrote:
>
> Brenton, thanks for the post; nice looking bike. As weather allows, 
> please let us know how this bike rides compared to your Sam (especially 
> when it was in drop-bar mode). I'm sure I'm not the only Sam rider who is 
> curious about this comparison.
>
>
>
> John
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:49:51 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I haven't ridden it enough to decide if it was the perfect +1 yet, but it 
>> was a fun project. I will report back after some miles.
>>
>> It was great way to spend my time during 2 weeks of Portland 
>> snow+ice+wind. Did lots of research, and learned a ton more about 
>> components I was only mildly interested in before. Shopping for NOS+used 
>> parts on eBay was surprisingly fun, especially if you're after components 
>> that most folks ignore. I watched all the "built by blue lug" videos, 
>> highly recommend watching for both zen, appreciation of expertise, and 
>> educational instruction (though they are not intentionally instructional).
>>
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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bay Area S24Os?

2024-01-22 Thread Bill Lindsay

Camp Site #1 at Angel Island, facing East towards Richmond, has adjacent to 
it the best climbing tree I've ever seen.  I'm not a big climbing tree 
connoisseur, but that one is #1 in my limited experience.  I had two 
overnighters there and would do again.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 1:40:02 PM UTC-8 jesse.b...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks! I was able to a camp reservation in Feb for Angel Isand, i'll 
> report back on how it went. 
>
> Donzaemon - I think most "require" a reservation, but some do have first 
> some site for bikers/hikers. A few friends also let me know that they have 
> never had an issue showing up during the week. Weekends are probably a 
> different story.
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:04:36 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:
>
>> Does one need a reservation to camp there? Trying to plan a trip there 
>> this spring and most of the weekend slots are gone.
>>
>> Don
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:43:26 AM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> Angel Island is an oft-overlooked destination. 
>>> SP Taylor State Park (though in a valley and tends to be a bit damp)
>>> China Camp State Park
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:31:42 AM UTC-8 jesse.b...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello! I am hoping to do a lot more quick overnight trips this year 
 and was wondering if people had favorite rides and camp spots in the bay 
 area? I have a few Marin sites on my list (Pantoll, Hawk).

 I live in SF, but not opposed to taking bart as part of the trip.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bay Area S24Os?

2024-01-22 Thread Jesse Bussell

Thanks! I was able to a camp reservation in Feb for Angel Isand, i'll 
report back on how it went. 

Donzaemon - I think most "require" a reservation, but some do have first 
some site for bikers/hikers. A few friends also let me know that they have 
never had an issue showing up during the week. Weekends are probably a 
different story.

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:04:36 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:

> Does one need a reservation to camp there? Trying to plan a trip there 
> this spring and most of the weekend slots are gone.
>
> Don
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:43:26 AM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Angel Island is an oft-overlooked destination. 
>> SP Taylor State Park (though in a valley and tends to be a bit damp)
>> China Camp State Park
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:31:42 AM UTC-8 jesse.b...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello! I am hoping to do a lot more quick overnight trips this year and 
>>> was wondering if people had favorite rides and camp spots in the bay area? 
>>> I have a few Marin sites on my list (Pantoll, Hawk).
>>>
>>> I live in SF, but not opposed to taking bart as part of the trip.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Build is complete

2024-01-22 Thread Brenton Eastman

For the seat height inquiries:Both my bikes are currently 41” top of saddle to the ground. The Roadini has less BB drop so top of saddle to crank bolt center is 31”, where the Sam is 31.5”. I may end up raising the saddle on the Roadini. Hard to compare a broken in B17 to C17 as well. I could probably raise both seats 1” and still have a knee bend at bottom of pedal stroke. I am 6’1” with 89cm PBH On Jan 22, 2024, at 11:10 AM, John Bokman wrote:Brenton, thanks for the post; nice looking bike. As weather allows, please let us know how this bike rides compared to your Sam (especially when it was in drop-bar mode). I'm sure I'm not the only Sam rider who is curious about this comparison.JohnOn Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:49:51 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:I haven't ridden it enough to decide if it was the perfect +1 yet, but it was a fun project. I will report back after some miles.It was great way to spend my time during 2 weeks of Portland snow+ice+wind. Did lots of research, and learned a ton more about components I was only mildly interested in before. Shopping for NOS+used parts on eBay was surprisingly fun, especially if you're after components that most folks ignore. I watched all the "built by blue lug" videos, highly recommend watching for both zen, appreciation of expertise, and educational instruction (though they are not intentionally instructional).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread Patrick Moore

I went as far as needed.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:54 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Thanks, Patrick.  But you went a wee bit further than I had intended for
> the definition.  All's OK though!
>
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 1:49:45 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Can't resist. Sandburg's literary style is an analogue of the painting
>> style of Grant Wood.
>>
>> Chicago
>> BY CARL SANDBURG
>> Hog Butcher for the World,
>>Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
>>Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;
>>Stormy, husky, brawling,
>>City of the Big Shoulders:
>>
>> They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I have seen your
>> painted women under the gas lamps luring the farm boys.
>> And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it is true I have
>> seen the gunman kill and go free to kill again.
>> And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the faces of women
>> and children I have seen the marks of wanton hunger.
>> And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my
>> city, and I give them back the sneer and say to them:
>> Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be
>> alive and coarse and strong and cunning.
>> Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on job, here is a
>> tall bold slugger set vivid against the little soft cities;
>> Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning as a savage
>> pitted against the wilderness,
>>Bareheaded,
>>Shoveling,
>>Wrecking,
>>Planning,
>>Building, breaking, rebuilding,
>> Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with white teeth,
>> Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs,
>> Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has never lost a battle,
>> Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse, and under his
>> ribs the heart of the people,
>>Laughing!
>> Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked,
>> sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player
>> with Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:46 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Answer that and you'll understand "bleed like a stuck pig" and "high on
>>> the hog." Also apparently "kick the bucket."
>>>
>>> "Hog butcher for the world ..."
>>>
>>> Patrick "Yes I looked it up but I had a suspicion" Moore, who has read
>>> Carl Sandburg.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:08 AM George Schick  wrote:
>>>
 Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?


 On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick 
> wrote:
>
>> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression,
>> "...squeal like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the
>> Midwest where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not
>> sure).  Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't
>> know what you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>>
>
> I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an
> expression I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly
> the sounds of disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike
> parks. I will say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing.
> Cantilvers and V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do
> not.
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread George Schick

Thanks, Patrick.  But you went a wee bit further than I had intended for 
the definition.  All's OK though!


On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 1:49:45 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Can't resist. Sandburg's literary style is an analogue of the painting 
> style of Grant Wood. 
>
> Chicago
> BY CARL SANDBURG
> Hog Butcher for the World,
>Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
>Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;
>Stormy, husky, brawling,
>City of the Big Shoulders:
>
> They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I have seen your 
> painted women under the gas lamps luring the farm boys.
> And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it is true I have seen 
> the gunman kill and go free to kill again.
> And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the faces of women and 
> children I have seen the marks of wanton hunger.
> And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my 
> city, and I give them back the sneer and say to them:
> Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be 
> alive and coarse and strong and cunning.
> Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on job, here is a 
> tall bold slugger set vivid against the little soft cities;
> Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning as a savage pitted 
> against the wilderness,
>Bareheaded,
>Shoveling,
>Wrecking,
>Planning,
>Building, breaking, rebuilding,
> Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with white teeth,
> Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs,
> Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has never lost a battle,
> Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse, and under his 
> ribs the heart of the people,
>Laughing!
> Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked, 
> sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player 
> with Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:46 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Answer that and you'll understand "bleed like a stuck pig" and "high on 
>> the hog." Also apparently "kick the bucket."
>>
>> "Hog butcher for the world ..."
>>
>> Patrick "Yes I looked it up but I had a suspicion" Moore, who has read 
>> Carl Sandburg.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:08 AM George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:

> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, 
> "...squeal like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the 
> Midwest where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not 
> sure).  Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't 
> know what you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>

 I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an 
 expression I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly 
 the sounds of disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike 
 parks. I will say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing. 
 Cantilvers and V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do 
 not.

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>>
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>>
>> ---
>>
>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
>> services
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>>
>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>
>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>
>
>
> -- 
>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread Patrick Moore

Can't resist. Sandburg's literary style is an analogue of the painting
style of Grant Wood.

Chicago
BY CARL SANDBURG
Hog Butcher for the World,
   Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
   Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;
   Stormy, husky, brawling,
   City of the Big Shoulders:

They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I have seen your
painted women under the gas lamps luring the farm boys.
And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it is true I have seen
the gunman kill and go free to kill again.
And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the faces of women and
children I have seen the marks of wanton hunger.
And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my city,
and I give them back the sneer and say to them:
Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be alive
and coarse and strong and cunning.
Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on job, here is a tall
bold slugger set vivid against the little soft cities;
Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning as a savage pitted
against the wilderness,
   Bareheaded,
   Shoveling,
   Wrecking,
   Planning,
   Building, breaking, rebuilding,
Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with white teeth,
Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs,
Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has never lost a battle,
Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse, and under his ribs
the heart of the people,
   Laughing!
Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked,
sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player
with Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:46 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Answer that and you'll understand "bleed like a stuck pig" and "high on
> the hog." Also apparently "kick the bucket."
>
> "Hog butcher for the world ..."
>
> Patrick "Yes I looked it up but I had a suspicion" Moore, who has read
> Carl Sandburg.
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:08 AM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:
>>>
 Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression,
 "...squeal like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the
 Midwest where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not
 sure).  Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't
 know what you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.

>>>
>>> I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an
>>> expression I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly
>>> the sounds of disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike
>>> parks. I will say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing.
>>> Cantilvers and V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do
>>> not.
>>>
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>
>
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>
> ---
>
> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing
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>
>
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>
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>
> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>
> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread Patrick Moore

Answer that and you'll understand "bleed like a stuck pig" and "high on the
hog." Also apparently "kick the bucket."

"Hog butcher for the world ..."

Patrick "Yes I looked it up but I had a suspicion" Moore, who has read Carl
Sandburg.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:08 AM George Schick  wrote:

> Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?
>
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, "...squeal
>>> like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the Midwest
>>> where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not sure).
>>> Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't know what
>>> you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>>>
>>
>> I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an
>> expression I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly
>> the sounds of disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike
>> parks. I will say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing.
>> Cantilvers and V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do
>> not.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread Patrick Moore

Calipers can squeal too. I had a pair of to quality -- forged -- single
pivots of which the front squealed only in cold weather -- this with good
condition salmon pads. The same brake and pads had not squealed on an
earlier bike.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:01 AM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> ... I will say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing.
>> Cantilvers and V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do
>> not.
>
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

2024-01-22 Thread Bernard Duhon

I'm a newbie as to Shimano SPD
what is the difference between the 51 and the 56 cleat?

 Attorneys:  Pursuant to the new LA. C.C.P. art. 1313 (c), please serve
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of eddietheflay
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 1:26 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

Don't overlook the alternate cleats that allow for easier in and out.

https://ride.shimano.com/products/sm-sh56
On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:16:34 AM UTC-8 
ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
The only nos A 600 I found was $138.00 on ebay

From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Toshi Takeuchi
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 9:36 PM
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

I recommend using the A600 if you can find them, because (similar to most road 
pedals) they return to the upright position with the pedal perpendicular to the 
ground, so you can clip in without looking.  The ES600 spins 360, so the pedal 
can be upside down or any which way when you go to clip back in, so you might 
need to rotate the pedal 180 degrees into the correct position when you clip in.

With that said, I still chose the ES600 when I replaced my Look Keo pedals, so 
I can walk around more comfortably and can live with the extra effort when I 
clip in.

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

2024-01-22 Thread eddietheflay

Don't overlook the alternate cleats that allow for easier in and out.

https://ride.shimano.com/products/sm-sh56

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:16:34 AM UTC-8 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
wrote:

> The only nos A 600 I found was $138.00 on ebay 
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Toshi Takeuchi
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 9:36 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation
>
>  
>
> I recommend using the A600 if you can find them, because (similar to most 
> road pedals) they return to the upright position with the pedal 
> perpendicular to the ground, so you can clip in without looking.  The ES600 
> spins 360, so the pedal can be upside down or any which way when you go to 
> clip back in, so you might need to rotate the pedal 180 degrees into the 
> correct position when you clip in.
>
>  
>
> With that said, I still chose the ES600 when I replaced my Look Keo 
> pedals, so I can walk around more comfortably and can live with the extra 
> effort when I clip in. 
>
>  
>
> Toshi
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build is complete

2024-01-22 Thread John Bokman

Brenton, thanks for the post; nice looking bike. As weather allows, please 
let us know how this bike rides compared to your Sam (especially when it 
was in drop-bar mode). I'm sure I'm not the only Sam rider who is curious 
about this comparison.

John
On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:49:51 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> I haven't ridden it enough to decide if it was the perfect +1 yet, but it 
> was a fun project. I will report back after some miles.
>
> It was great way to spend my time during 2 weeks of Portland 
> snow+ice+wind. Did lots of research, and learned a ton more about 
> components I was only mildly interested in before. Shopping for NOS+used 
> parts on eBay was surprisingly fun, especially if you're after components 
> that most folks ignore. I watched all the "built by blue lug" videos, 
> highly recommend watching for both zen, appreciation of expertise, and 
> educational instruction (though they are not intentionally instructional).
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build is complete

2024-01-22 Thread Brian Witt

Very nice build!  well thought out...nothing 'stuck on' or out of character 
for its mission...  I am also trying to decide between 57 and 61, and would 
like to know the saddle height on your bike...


On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Nice! Curious what your saddle height is in the photos. I'm maybe about to 
> pull the trigger and am on the fence between the 57 & 61. 
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 4:34:53 PM UTC-6 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to all the advice and guidance from folks here on my second 
>> Rivendell build! Turns out there are quite a few folks with a "Country 
>> Bike" that also went for a +1 Roadini. 
>>
>> I've set up my 2017 Sam Hillborne several different ways; first it was 
>> drops+road focused, then it was a Riv 1.0 camping basket bike, then it got 
>> lighter wheels and no basket, then flat bars and knobbies, then it lost 
>> it's F+R racks, fenders have come and gone, and in each phase it's been 
>> "perfect". 
>>
>> I just *wanted* a +1 and the +1 was to be lighter and faster. Months ago 
>> I was looking at 90s racing and sport tourers as cheaper alternatives to a 
>> Roadini, perhaps also lighter, and less well rounded, and more definitively 
>> alternative to my Sam. I test rode some: Specialized Sequoia, Waterford 22 
>> Series, Bridgestone RB1. Nothing felt like the right move. I was being 
>> patient, doing the research, etc, when a Roadini frameset in my size and my 
>> preferred color was posted here, and the owner Lived 2 hours away. Let's go.
>>
>> Using Sam's lighter wheelset, former drop bar cockpit, and a few other 
>> parts bin items, I was able to keep the entire build within my budget. I 
>> bought a lot of NOS and pre-owned components for great prices. Stoked. I'm 
>> happy with how it came out. There's a whole bunch of component 
>> interchangeability with these two bikes, which *may* come in handy some 
>> day. Weather in PNW has been bad for riding, good for wrenching. I still 
>> haven't ridden it yet. 
>>
>> The only thing I was not stoked on was the Ultegra FD inner cage plate 
>> rubbed the middle ring when shifting to big ring. It was already up 
>> high-ish to not hit the chainstay. So now it's even higher out of 
>> necessity. It bothers me a lil bit. Bars and seat height+angle subject to 
>> change after test ride. Right now the drops swing just under the top tube 
>> to avoid dings.
>>
>> [image: LM000884.jpeg]
>> [image: LM000881.jpeg]
>> [image: LM000880.jpeg]
>> [image: LM000883.jpeg]
>> [image: LM000887.jpeg]
>>
>> Build List:
>> 57cm Roadini Sergio Green
>> Nitto Noodle 48cm bars
>> Nitto Tallux 8cm stem
>> Shimano Tiagra levers
>> Blue Lug cotton tape (not as long as newbaums)
>> Tektro R559 brakes
>> Nissen clear housing
>> Velocity Dyad 32H, Deore w/11-32, SP front hub
>> Ultradynamico Cava 700x42
>> Sugino XD2 46/36/24
>> Ultegra 6500 FD + RD
>> Suntour Superbe DT shifters
>> Wellgo Pedals with *gasp *cages
>> Brooks C17 seat
>> King bottle cages
>> A few brass bling bits from Riv + Blue Lug
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?

2024-01-22 Thread iamkeith

Max,  I can't imagine why you'd have a problem but, obviously, someone with 
more experience should chime in.  I'm going to "try" to use this same bb 
without the spacers, and get a different crank.  I'm not sure I can find 
one with the right spindle length, right spindle diameter, and 10 speed 
compatible rings in suitable sizes, but I know for a fact that the cups 
install just fine without any spacers at all.  (in this case, they each 
have an aluminum sleeve that telescopes over each other, but same thing as 
an accordian plastic sleeve in function.)

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 6:28:47 PM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> A different, but related question: 
>
> I mistakenly bought the MTN version of a Shimano bottom bracket (external 
> cups) for a recent 105 crank. Comparing to the old (road) BB, it looked to 
> me like the only difference was the internal plastic sleeve length. I 
> swapped in the old sleeve between the new cups, and that seemed to go in 
> fine. Maybe last couple of millimeters were a little tighter than the right 
> hand cup, but went in. 
>
> Did I do something that will come back to bite me?.. 
>
> - Max 
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Keith, road bike double crank chainline spec is always 43.5mm. Are you 
>> measuring between the rings ? 
>>
>> You may hate me for saying so but it sounds like this crank would be 
>> better suited for another frame with at least 135mm spacing. With the big 
>> ring that far out on a 130mm spaced road frame, your available cogs(without 
>> a lot of friction) diminishes by at least one, likely two. 
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:57:58 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Nick, as I mentioned in my question, I too only have experience with 
>>> cranks that take spacers between the arm and the cup.  It makes more sense 
>>> that way, but this bb definitely seems to require spacers next to the 
>>> shell.  That's how it was assembled when it arrived.  I just cant figure 
>>> out why it's asymmetrical.  Ive now learned that, even with a 73mm shell,  
>>> it would still require a single 2.5mm spacer on the drive side, UNLESS 
>>> there was a bb-mounted deraileur or bash gauard plate.  But you'd think the 
>>> crank arms would be shaped to compensate for that.  
>>>
>>> As set up in my photo, I have a 50mm chainline.  Sheldon says a road 
>>> double should be 47mm, so that's another reason not to add more spacers on 
>>> that side.
>>>
>>> You probably had the best idea though.  I guess I'll take a dremel to 
>>> the non-drive-side arm or spidel end, so it can slide inward a few more 
>>> millimeters and at least be symmetrical.  
>>>
>>> It'll still be wider than necessary, but I'm not Q- factor sensitive, 
>>> fortunately.  I guess this is really intended as a mtb crank, even though 
>>> it doesn't say that on soma's or interloc's website?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I mostly take the number of spacers they recommend and arrange them in 
 whjatever fashion creates the best chainline for the bike. 

 Will

 On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:26:56 AM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> I’m going to stick with the spacers going as shown in the exploded 
> view - spacers going between the cup and the BB shell.  
> You’re absolutely right on the prep work.  Both bikes were chased, but 
> the Soma was not faced… probably why it gets by with the spacer stack 
> slightly smaller.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build is complete

2024-01-22 Thread Brenton Eastman

I haven't ridden it enough to decide if it was the perfect +1 yet, but it 
was a fun project. I will report back after some miles.

It was great way to spend my time during 2 weeks of Portland snow+ice+wind. 
Did lots of research, and learned a ton more about components I was only 
mildly interested in before. Shopping for NOS+used parts on eBay was 
surprisingly fun, especially if you're after components that most folks 
ignore. I watched all the "built by blue lug" videos, highly recommend 
watching for both zen, appreciation of expertise, and educational 
instruction (though they are not intentionally instructional).


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[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?

2024-01-22 Thread iamkeith

To wrap this up, and hopefully make it useful for someone else down the 
line:

I think Garth is right.  This crank will not work on this bike.

Even if an X-type crankset is advertized as working with both 68 and 73 mm 
shells, it's not that straight forward.  It can technically "work," but 
there will be  tradeoffs with chainline or centering or Q-factor not being 
ideal.   If I had a 73mm shell and used one spacer on the drive side, I'd 
have a 47.5 mm chainline AND symmetry between the arms.  I'd still have to 
just  "hope" it cleared the chainstays though. 

This is exactly why I was so slow to adopt X-type cranksets.  After a 
lifetime of being able to pick a square taper spindle in virtually any 
length I wanted, the inability to adjust width didn't seem intuitively 
right.  If my other forrays (on mountain bikes) hadn't been so 
plug-and-play easy, I would have questioned this more before ordering.  
Then again, there was nothing about this on the product description webpage 
that alluded to the dimensional details or specs. 

For anybody interested, here's the product link.  It's really not bad 
quality and is attractive and has many chainring options available, with 
shift aids, AND is available SILVER!  I think Riv was out of everything in 
the configuration I needed, and this was on sale for a really good price.  
For a 10- or 11-speed mountain/hillibike with 73mm shells and 135 or wider 
rear hub, it's a good option.

https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/ird-vortex-sub-compact-crankset-46-30t-4722#attr=1257,4857

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 6:28:47 PM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> A different, but related question: 
>
> I mistakenly bought the MTN version of a Shimano bottom bracket (external 
> cups) for a recent 105 crank. Comparing to the old (road) BB, it looked to 
> me like the only difference was the internal plastic sleeve length. I 
> swapped in the old sleeve between the new cups, and that seemed to go in 
> fine. Maybe last couple of millimeters were a little tighter than the right 
> hand cup, but went in. 
>
> Did I do something that will come back to bite me?.. 
>
> - Max 
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Keith, road bike double crank chainline spec is always 43.5mm. Are you 
>> measuring between the rings ? 
>>
>> You may hate me for saying so but it sounds like this crank would be 
>> better suited for another frame with at least 135mm spacing. With the big 
>> ring that far out on a 130mm spaced road frame, your available cogs(without 
>> a lot of friction) diminishes by at least one, likely two. 
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:57:58 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Nick, as I mentioned in my question, I too only have experience with 
>>> cranks that take spacers between the arm and the cup.  It makes more sense 
>>> that way, but this bb definitely seems to require spacers next to the 
>>> shell.  That's how it was assembled when it arrived.  I just cant figure 
>>> out why it's asymmetrical.  Ive now learned that, even with a 73mm shell,  
>>> it would still require a single 2.5mm spacer on the drive side, UNLESS 
>>> there was a bb-mounted deraileur or bash gauard plate.  But you'd think the 
>>> crank arms would be shaped to compensate for that.  
>>>
>>> As set up in my photo, I have a 50mm chainline.  Sheldon says a road 
>>> double should be 47mm, so that's another reason not to add more spacers on 
>>> that side.
>>>
>>> You probably had the best idea though.  I guess I'll take a dremel to 
>>> the non-drive-side arm or spidel end, so it can slide inward a few more 
>>> millimeters and at least be symmetrical.  
>>>
>>> It'll still be wider than necessary, but I'm not Q- factor sensitive, 
>>> fortunately.  I guess this is really intended as a mtb crank, even though 
>>> it doesn't say that on soma's or interloc's website?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I mostly take the number of spacers they recommend and arrange them in 
 whjatever fashion creates the best chainline for the bike. 

 Will

 On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:26:56 AM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> I’m going to stick with the spacers going as shown in the exploded 
> view - spacers going between the cup and the BB shell.  
> You’re absolutely right on the prep work.  Both bikes were chased, but 
> the Soma was not faced… probably why it gets by with the spacer stack 
> slightly smaller.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread George Schick

Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?


On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, "...squeal 
>> like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the Midwest 
>> where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not sure).  
>> Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't know what 
>> you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>>
>
> I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an expression 
> I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly the sounds of 
> disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike parks. I will 
> say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing. Cantilvers and 
> V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do not.
>

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Re: [RBW] Intro Post // My 51cm Toyo Atlantis

2024-01-22 Thread Jeremy Suhan

@jason
Y'know what, maybe it is! Lol, I forget. I dunno anything about Rivendells
compared to you folks.

@brenton
Thanks! These are both Carradice Camper Longflaps in green. I love the
rustic look over time (though I think the one in the back was actually
brand new in this photo - first trip!) This bike is heavily inspired by
Ultraromance's old Atlantis, the one on Bikepacking.com, so had to have
'em! I find it is just enough space for a proper trip with cooking
equipment but there's not tons of room to spare. I don't drink anymore
though, and the lack of needing to carry a bottle of a group of cans
certainly helps!

@Brian
Nice to see you here! Glad you're living the NR20 life. I love that little
guy. Funny enough, I'm actually running a Erlen 2.0 from Blue Lug x Ocean
Air Cycles rn... I like them both very much but all time fav is definitely
the R10! I think I'ma take the R10 to Japan this Spring...

@Richard
Thanks very much! It's been the dream bike for quite some time and I'm
really, really happy with how it's turned out. I change the build all the
time (at least the bars and racks,) and it's never disappointed me. This
crank, I think, is certainly the centrepiece and I think it is very much
worth it if you can spring for it! I love how they look on
singlespeed/fixed gear setups. I'm strongly considering getting another one
for my fixed gear/ss bike! Send pics if you do it!

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:52 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Hey look who it is!
>
> I thought yer bike was a 53!
>
> On Sunday 21 January 2024 at 13:11:59 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Beautiful, beautiful bike. I’ve been thinking that crank would be just
>> about perfect for an Roaduno.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2024, at 3:40 PM, Brenton Eastman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Looking very sweet. I love the twin bags front and rear. What size
>> Carradice are those?
>>
>>
>> Hope you let that cola settle down before opening!
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Josie! Good to see you here. As always, lovely build.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Very nice build -- top 5 Atlantis build, in my book -- and that tiny
 rack is apparently capable of carrying immense loads.

 I can't see clearly from the photos, but it looks as if you have
 knobbies under fenders. First, what are the tires? Secondly, what if any is
 your front fender QR system, in case you pick up a stick? I am thinking of
 getting a second, fat and knobby wheelset for one of my bikes and have
 thought this would mean removing the fenders, but perhaps there are
 alternatives.

 On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:35 AM Josie  wrote:

> Hello amigos,
>
> This is my first time posting up here - thanks for having me! This is
> my 51cm Toyo Built Atlantis that I picked up about 2 years ago. I take a
> lot of pictures while I ride, sometimes digital, often on film. I'm 
> looking
> forward to seeing all of your builds and being apart of the Riv hype!
>
> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 2.jpg]
> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 1.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 19.jpg]
>
> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 10.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 15.jpg]
> Happy pedalling! ✌️
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread 藍俊彪

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:

> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, "...squeal
> like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the Midwest
> where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not sure).
> Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't know what
> you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>

I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an expression
I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly the sounds of
disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike parks. I will
say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing. Cantilvers and
V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do not.

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Re: [RBW] Intro Post // My 51cm Toyo Atlantis

2024-01-22 Thread John Johnson

@ Patrick Moore,

I'll let the OP respond, but the tires appear to be Ultradynamico Mars Race.

I could be wrong about the Mars part, but they're definitely Ultradynamico. 

Cheers,

John

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:51:53 AM UTC+1 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Hey look who it is!  
>
> I thought yer bike was a 53!  
>
> On Sunday 21 January 2024 at 13:11:59 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Beautiful, beautiful bike. I’ve been thinking that crank would be just 
>> about perfect for an Roaduno.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2024, at 3:40 PM, Brenton Eastman  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Looking very sweet. I love the twin bags front and rear. What size 
>> Carradice are those?
>>
>>
>> Hope you let that cola settle down before opening!
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Josie! Good to see you here. As always, lovely build.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Very nice build -- top 5 Atlantis build, in my book -- and that tiny 
 rack is apparently capable of carrying immense loads.

 I can't see clearly from the photos, but it looks as if you have 
 knobbies under fenders. First, what are the tires? Secondly, what if any 
 is 
 your front fender QR system, in case you pick up a stick? I am thinking of 
 getting a second, fat and knobby wheelset for one of my bikes and have 
 thought this would mean removing the fenders, but perhaps there are 
 alternatives.

 On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:35 AM Josie  wrote:

> Hello amigos, 
>
> This is my first time posting up here - thanks for having me! This is 
> my 51cm Toyo Built Atlantis that I picked up about 2 years ago. I take a 
> lot of pictures while I ride, sometimes digital, often on film. I'm 
> looking 
> forward to seeing all of your builds and being apart of the Riv hype!
>
> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 2.jpg]
> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 1.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 19.jpg]
>
> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 10.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 15.jpg]
> Happy pedalling! ✌️ 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread George Schick

Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, "...squeal 
like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the Midwest 
where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not sure).  
Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't know what 
you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 11:20:26 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. And I can 
> understand his allegiance to rim brakes; of all the kinds of brakes, as far 
> as I can tell, rim brakes give the biggest return in effectiveness 
> (strength, modulation, time between fettling) with the greatest simplicity 
> and ease of setup. And I can understand someone choosing a hybrid front 
> disc/rear rim brake system.
>
>
> Grant's approval shouldn't matter. What I'm curious about is how the bike 
> performs under hard braking. My understanding is that disc brakes demand 
> much beefier dropouts and forks, and whether the disc brake won't cause 
> problems with super skinny fork blades that Rivendell uses because the 
> assumption is that you'll be using rim brakes. Any approval or "street 
> creds" should always be secondary to safety concerns.
>
> I use rim brakes because I never found disc brakes that didn't squeal like 
> a stuck pig under hard braking conditions. Despite all my attempts I've 
> only managed to wear out rims from braking in muddy conditions exactly 
> once, and that was on a 1993 Bridgestone MB-3 that was treated like a 
> submersible (the bike shop used that as an excuse not to warranty the BB 
> after just 3 months of use) and ridden through knee deep rivers --- even 
> then it took me a good 10 years to do so! Granted I live in California, but 
> I also deliberately make it a point to ride my Roadini off road whenever I 
> can in the winter season --- when it's cold and rainy the slowness of a 
> gravel bike no longer bothers me. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread Piaw Na

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. And I can understand
his allegiance to rim brakes; of all the kinds of brakes, as far as I can
tell, rim brakes give the biggest return in effectiveness (strength,
modulation, time between fettling) with the greatest simplicity and ease of
setup. And I can understand someone choosing a hybrid front disc/rear rim
brake system.

Grant's approval shouldn't matter. What I'm curious about is how the bike
performs under hard braking. My understanding is that disc brakes demand
much beefier dropouts and forks, and whether the disc brake won't cause
problems with super skinny fork blades that Rivendell uses because the
assumption is that you'll be using rim brakes. Any approval or "street
creds" should always be secondary to safety concerns.

I use rim brakes because I never found disc brakes that didn't squeal like
a stuck pig under hard braking conditions. Despite all my attempts I've
only managed to wear out rims from braking in muddy conditions exactly
once, and that was on a 1993 Bridgestone MB-3 that was treated like a
submersible (the bike shop used that as an excuse not to warranty the BB
after just 3 months of use) and ridden through knee deep rivers --- even
then it took me a good 10 years to do so! Granted I live in California, but
I also deliberately make it a point to ride my Roadini off road whenever I
can in the winter season --- when it's cold and rainy the slowness of a
gravel bike no longer bothers me.

[RBW] Re: ISO: Frame Pump Zefal HpX 1 or Acceptable Alternate

2024-01-22 Thread christian poppell

*I've been keeping an eye open for a frame pump for my 50cm Platy as well - 
and wondering why RBW spec'ed such a short span for the pump peg. *

Its a new standard to take the frame pump market by storm :) Joking aside, 
I'll update this space once I get the Topeak (43cm-49cm ) in hand. I'm 
hopeful that I can eek out a few more cm past the recommended size range. 
Otherwise, us 50cm Platy owners will be waiting for the RBW frame pump. 

Christian
Phoenix, AZ

On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 12:12:46 PM UTC-7 Steve wrote:

> I've been keeping an eye open for a frame pump for my 50cm Platy as well - 
> and wondering why RBW spec'ed such a short span for the pump peg. 
>
> I'd love to hang a Silca Impero on it, but even their small (44 - 49 cm / 
> 17.3 - 19.3 in.) appears to be a bit too long.  
>
> Steve in Asheville
>
> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 5:00:03 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
>> Hi Christian,
>>
>> Topeak makes a frame pump for the global market. You can locate new ones 
>> from international sellers on eBay. The 4349 has the same spec lengths as 
>> the HPX-1.
>> https://www.topeak.com/global/en/product/235-ROAD-MASTERBLASTER.
>>
>> The top-of-the-line Silca Ultimate II went down in price recently, and is 
>> actually on sale for $75 until Jan 21. Unfortunately, I think the Small is 
>> all sold out. Check suppliers to see if they matched Silca's price.
>>
>> https://silca.cc/collections/silca-supersecret-semi-anual-sale/products/impero-ultimate-ii-frame-pump-memorial-day-sale?variant=40350946492514
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Ed C.
>> Redondo Beach, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 11:43:21 AM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gang, 
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a HPX-1 for a 50cm Platypus. Space between the peg and 
>>> headtube is 410mm. Looking to pay retail for like new and less if the pump 
>>> is used. 
>>>
>>> Also, if anyone has a good alternative I'm all ears with the HPX out of 
>>> production. 
>>>
>>> Thanks! 
>>> Christian
>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO: Frame Pump Zefal HpX 1 or Acceptable Alternate

2024-01-22 Thread christian poppell

The Topeak looks like a good option. Ill pick one up and give it a try. 

For me, I prefer the utilitarian aspect and low cost of the Topeak. I can 
better justify leaving a 40$ pump at the bike rack rather than a 75-100$ 
one. I do like the look of the Silca though. 

Thanks again Ed for the suggestions!
Christian
Wet and rainy Phoenix

On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 3:00:03 AM UTC-7 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Hi Christian,
>
> Topeak makes a frame pump for the global market. You can locate new ones 
> from international sellers on eBay. The 4349 has the same spec lengths as 
> the HPX-1.
> https://www.topeak.com/global/en/product/235-ROAD-MASTERBLASTER.
>
> The top-of-the-line Silca Ultimate II went down in price recently, and is 
> actually on sale for $75 until Jan 21. Unfortunately, I think the Small is 
> all sold out. Check suppliers to see if they matched Silca's price.
>
> https://silca.cc/collections/silca-supersecret-semi-anual-sale/products/impero-ultimate-ii-frame-pump-memorial-day-sale?variant=40350946492514
>
> Good luck,
> Ed C.
> Redondo Beach, CA
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 11:43:21 AM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:
>
>> Hi Gang, 
>>
>> I'm looking for a HPX-1 for a 50cm Platypus. Space between the peg and 
>> headtube is 410mm. Looking to pay retail for like new and less if the pump 
>> is used. 
>>
>> Also, if anyone has a good alternative I'm all ears with the HPX out of 
>> production. 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> Christian
>> Phoenix, AZ
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

2024-01-22 Thread 藍俊彪

It weighed 23 pounds with pump, water bottle cage, pedals but no toolkit:
https://blog.piaw.net/2022/10/putting-together-my-roadini.html

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 5:32 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Piaw: I'm curious, how light is your Roadini?
>
> More general question to the audience: How does the current Roadini differ
> from the original Sam Hillborne? I owned one of the latter and it would be
> interesting to use this Sam as a gauge for understanding the Roadini.
>
> Aside: I'm thinking (just thinking; action may come but later) of turning
> that Libertas into an on-and-offroad beater because I think it will take a
> 38 mm tire. The original issue Sam was limited to IIRC 38 or 40 mm tires so
> I hope that this might be a more nimble handling and lighter (and
> beater-sh) Sam surrogate.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 8:44 PM Piaw Na  wrote:
>
>> I went with 11s and a single DT shifter (I'm running 1x11) and I treat my
>> Roadini as a gravel bike. It's great. Usually I climb on the road so
>> shifting is not a problem, and descending who cares what gears you're in.
>> But on the few occasions I did a a dirt climb and I'd just shift into the
>> lowest gear and stay there. My goal for the Roadini was to make it as light
>> as possible (given the relatively heavy frame) while still able to do hard
>> climbs. It hasn't disappointed.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:06:45 PM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Just curious, if you are using 11sp, why not use integrated
>>> shifters/levers? To each their own for sure, but I can't imagine DT
>>> shifters on a mixed-surface trail unless it's really smooth.. heck, I don't
>>> even care for bar-ends on a trail.. but those RRL levers are super nice!
>>>
>>> I'm leaning hard into a Roadini that I may put a Campy 10 Triple group I
>>> have on it..
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:55 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:
>>>
 First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds
 like a good place...my new happy place ;-)

 I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that
 sells Riv (C Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll
 be visiting Montreal.

 Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now
 though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using
 those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill
 wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the
 winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL brake
 levers, and Tektro brakes.

 Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved,
 but there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on local
 mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will
 be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!

 Photos to come in February.

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[RBW] Re: was for sale inquiry now how I got into Rivendell & why I think I want a Roaduno.

2024-01-22 Thread Richard Rose

Preface: I promise Rivendell content here without a for sale post. Doug, it’s funny how our cycling fortunes / preferences change & evolve over time. I was a lifetime “roadie” & had my dream bike for maybe 20 years - a Richard Sachs. But when I discovered real singletrack I was transformed. However I developed a serious lower back issue requiring surgery which turned out great. My surgeon who was not a cyclist suggested a suspension bike might be called for. Well, doctors orders, right?I had tired of road riding so I sold the Sachs & bought the Ibis. And it was fantastic. But, mountain biking requires driving for me and I kind of discovered gravel as a way to ride when time did not permit a trail ride. I needed a suitable gravel capable bike & discovered the Clem L. As a well informed (?) cyclist I knew of Rivendell since their start. But I never considered seriously one of their bikes. The only road bikes I took seriously were ones with the builders name on the downtube. However the Clem intrigued me to no end. The promise of a supremely comfortable gravel capable bike that I did not have to throw a leg over seemed like a great idea. And it was & is really the perfect bike for most of my cycling needs. Unexpectedly it kind of reintroduced road biking to me albeit a different form of it. It’s off road worthiness convinced me that a Gus could replace the Ibis as my dedicated trail bike. Yes, I am a bit less aggressive riding it but I am more comfortable & enjoying a different trail riding experience. Now full circle & as much as I love my two Rivendell “Hillibike’s” I find myself intrigued by the prospect of another long chainstay Riv but fully lugged & relatively light weight & minimal - the Roaduno. If I am to get one the Ibis must go. I do not ride it anyway…Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 22, 2024, at 8:34 AM, Doug H. wrote:Selling a carbon full suspension mtb to make room for a Roaduno!! Approve!DougOn Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:20:50 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Thanks for the official word. I’d decided on my own not to post. I do understand. Thanks.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 21, 2024, at 1:41 PM, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:Thanks to those who already responded, but putting on my admin cap:>2019 Ibis Mojo 3This would be solidly outside of the selling guidelines for this group. Plenty of other places to find an excited buyer for that. - JOn Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:2019 Ibis Mojo 3, size large. Fits more like a medium. I am 5’10”. Riv content? My Gus has taken it’s place.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 16, 2024, at 4:38 PM, Steve wrote:You've piqued my curiosity - what's the bike?SteveOn Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 12:57:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:The moderator and others can correct me, but I think that if the bike in question is relatively aligned with Rivendell tastes and might appeal to list members -- if it's generally Rivendellian in taste -- it will be fine. I would not post a FS for a modern CF road bike or downhill mountain bike here.On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 10:41 AM Richard Rose wrote:I am still new here & do not want to violate an rules. But, I do have a bicycle that I would like to sell and thought others here might be interested. I will not post here until I hear if it is acceptable. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] TRP RRL Hood Black to Gum

2024-01-22 Thread Bill Schaefer

I replaced my gum hoods with new gum hoods, since the old ones on my 
Atlantis were completely dry rotted and cracked when I did a re-taped the 
bars. The new hoods slipped over the brake levers with a little 
encouragement, so I didn't have  to take the levers off the bars, which was 
nice. Easy swap. 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:31:43 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Hey Damon,
>
> I've put black hoods on the gum/silver levers and they fit fine. If I 
> remember correctly, the gum hoods had little nubs that would fit into holes 
> in the plastic body to secure it better, but the black ones didn't have the 
> nubs. They still fit just fine; in fact, the nubs made it harder to get the 
> gum hoods back on flush. So I'm sure it would also work for the way you're 
> describing. Here's a pic of both gum and black on my old Soma-
>
> ~Mark
>
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2024, at 14:10, DTL  wrote:
>
> Has anyone swapped the hoods?
>
>
> The gum levers have a 'grey' portion between the hood and the lever - so 
> can I assume if I put the gum hoods on originally black / silver levers, I 
> would have a gum / black / silver lever?
>
> Has anyone swapped out hoods? Would love to see photos.
>
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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build is complete

2024-01-22 Thread zem...@gmail.com

Such a fantastic build, Brenton! 

Is the bike giving you what you were looking for in your +1 from your 
country bike?

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 5:34:53 PM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks to all the advice and guidance from folks here on my second 
> Rivendell build! Turns out there are quite a few folks with a "Country 
> Bike" that also went for a +1 Roadini. 
>
> I've set up my 2017 Sam Hillborne several different ways; first it was 
> drops+road focused, then it was a Riv 1.0 camping basket bike, then it got 
> lighter wheels and no basket, then flat bars and knobbies, then it lost 
> it's F+R racks, fenders have come and gone, and in each phase it's been 
> "perfect". 
>
> I just *wanted* a +1 and the +1 was to be lighter and faster. Months ago 
> I was looking at 90s racing and sport tourers as cheaper alternatives to a 
> Roadini, perhaps also lighter, and less well rounded, and more definitively 
> alternative to my Sam. I test rode some: Specialized Sequoia, Waterford 22 
> Series, Bridgestone RB1. Nothing felt like the right move. I was being 
> patient, doing the research, etc, when a Roadini frameset in my size and my 
> preferred color was posted here, and the owner Lived 2 hours away. Let's go.
>
> Using Sam's lighter wheelset, former drop bar cockpit, and a few other 
> parts bin items, I was able to keep the entire build within my budget. I 
> bought a lot of NOS and pre-owned components for great prices. Stoked. I'm 
> happy with how it came out. There's a whole bunch of component 
> interchangeability with these two bikes, which *may* come in handy some 
> day. Weather in PNW has been bad for riding, good for wrenching. I still 
> haven't ridden it yet. 
>
> The only thing I was not stoked on was the Ultegra FD inner cage plate 
> rubbed the middle ring when shifting to big ring. It was already up 
> high-ish to not hit the chainstay. So now it's even higher out of 
> necessity. It bothers me a lil bit. Bars and seat height+angle subject to 
> change after test ride. Right now the drops swing just under the top tube 
> to avoid dings.
>
> [image: LM000884.jpeg]
> [image: LM000881.jpeg]
> [image: LM000880.jpeg]
> [image: LM000883.jpeg]
> [image: LM000887.jpeg]
>
> Build List:
> 57cm Roadini Sergio Green
> Nitto Noodle 48cm bars
> Nitto Tallux 8cm stem
> Shimano Tiagra levers
> Blue Lug cotton tape (not as long as newbaums)
> Tektro R559 brakes
> Nissen clear housing
> Velocity Dyad 32H, Deore w/11-32, SP front hub
> Ultradynamico Cava 700x42
> Sugino XD2 46/36/24
> Ultegra 6500 FD + RD
> Suntour Superbe DT shifters
> Wellgo Pedals with *gasp *cages
> Brooks C17 seat
> King bottle cages
> A few brass bling bits from Riv + Blue Lug
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

2024-01-22 Thread Bernard Duhon

The only nos A 600 I found was $138.00 on ebay

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Toshi Takeuchi
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

I recommend using the A600 if you can find them, because (similar to most road 
pedals) they return to the upright position with the pedal perpendicular to the 
ground, so you can clip in without looking.  The ES600 spins 360, so the pedal 
can be upside down or any which way when you go to clip back in, so you might 
need to rotate the pedal 180 degrees into the correct position when you clip in.

With that said, I still chose the ES600 when I replaced my Look Keo pedals, so 
I can walk around more comfortably and can live with the extra effort when I 
clip in.

Toshi

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build is complete

2024-01-22 Thread brendonoid

Such a clean build! That Sergio green is really growing on me too.

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Re: [RBW] OK to post non Rivendell bikes for sale here?

2024-01-22 Thread Doug H.

Selling a carbon full suspension mtb to make room for a Roaduno!! Approve!
Doug

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:20:50 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the official word. I’d decided on my own not to post. I do 
> understand. Thanks.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 21, 2024, at 1:41 PM, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks to those who already responded, but putting on my admin cap:
>
> >2019 Ibis Mojo 3
>
> This would be solidly outside of the selling guidelines for this group. 
> Plenty of other places to find an excited buyer for that. 
>
> - J
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> 2019 Ibis Mojo 3, size large. Fits more like a medium. I am 5’10”. Riv 
>> content? My Gus has taken it’s place.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 4:38 PM, Steve  wrote:
>>
>> You've piqued my curiosity - what's the bike?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 12:57:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The moderator and others can correct me, but I think that if the bike in 
>>> question is relatively aligned with Rivendell tastes and might appeal to 
>>> list members -- if it's generally Rivendellian in taste -- it will be fine. 
>>> I would not post a FS for a modern CF road bike or downhill mountain bike 
>>> here.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 10:41 AM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
 I am still new here & do not want to violate an rules. But, I do have a 
 bicycle that I would like to sell and thought others here might be 
 interested. I will not post here until I hear if it is acceptable. Thanks! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

2024-01-22 Thread Patrick Moore

Piaw: I'm curious, how light is your Roadini?

More general question to the audience: How does the current Roadini differ
from the original Sam Hillborne? I owned one of the latter and it would be
interesting to use this Sam as a gauge for understanding the Roadini.

Aside: I'm thinking (just thinking; action may come but later) of turning
that Libertas into an on-and-offroad beater because I think it will take a
38 mm tire. The original issue Sam was limited to IIRC 38 or 40 mm tires so
I hope that this might be a more nimble handling and lighter (and
beater-sh) Sam surrogate.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 8:44 PM Piaw Na  wrote:

> I went with 11s and a single DT shifter (I'm running 1x11) and I treat my
> Roadini as a gravel bike. It's great. Usually I climb on the road so
> shifting is not a problem, and descending who cares what gears you're in.
> But on the few occasions I did a a dirt climb and I'd just shift into the
> lowest gear and stay there. My goal for the Roadini was to make it as light
> as possible (given the relatively heavy frame) while still able to do hard
> climbs. It hasn't disappointed.
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:06:45 PM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Just curious, if you are using 11sp, why not use integrated
>> shifters/levers? To each their own for sure, but I can't imagine DT
>> shifters on a mixed-surface trail unless it's really smooth.. heck, I don't
>> even care for bar-ends on a trail.. but those RRL levers are super nice!
>>
>> I'm leaning hard into a Roadini that I may put a Campy 10 Triple group I
>> have on it..
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:55 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:
>>
>>> First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds
>>> like a good place...my new happy place ;-)
>>>
>>> I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that
>>> sells Riv (C Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll
>>> be visiting Montreal.
>>>
>>> Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now
>>> though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using
>>> those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill
>>> wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the
>>> winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL brake
>>> levers, and Tektro brakes.
>>>
>>> Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved,
>>> but there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on local
>>> mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will
>>> be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!
>>>
>>> Photos to come in February.
>>>
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[RBW] SOLD! [FS: 2 Very nice, thickish merino/synth LS cycling sweaters, New + NIP, size XL]

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