Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

[Edwin W]

My advice: put it at the safe height and ride it for a month. If you don’t get 
used to it, well your month wasn’t perfect, but a month is a short time in 
life, I hope! Then you will really know you need a taller one!
Good luck!

Edwin, who doesn’t like to change cockpits more than every couple thousand 
miles. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus/Susie presale is live this morning! New blog on Gus impressions!

[Edwin W]

I am having trouble understanding why they would put a cap on the number or 
preorders of any certain size, color, etc...


Maybe they already have the guy working on them and can't change the 
numbers?

Give the people what they want,

Edwin
Nashville

On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 1:57:11 PM UTC-6, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Looks like all the XL Susie and Gus frames are sold out.   
> Wanted a Green Gus but ordered the Blue because that was all that was 
> left.  Huge RBW blue fan so no biggie.  Went back to order an Orange XL 
> Susie for a family member but missed out.  Planned to call Riv about paint 
> options so they would not both be blue and the last one sold first 臘‍♂️. 
>
> Ryan Hankinson 
> West Michigan

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[RBW] Re: advice on 26x2.0 tires

[Edwin W]

I’ve always liked the Schwalbe big bens. I forget why I picked them over the 
Big Apples but I think they are slightly higher performance?
Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa's?

[Edwin W]

I've got a 58 with 46 noodles on a 7cm stem (I think...)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/46909731481/in/dateposted-friend/


On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 4:38:14 PM UTC-5, jandrews wrote:
>
> Is anyone on the list running drops on their Apps?  I recently built up my 
> new frame with Boscos, then Choco's and now thinking that my comfort zone 
> is still drops.  It's a long top tube but with the right stem, I imagine a 
> comfy set-up could be had.  I'm hoping those Nitto stems from Crust will be 
> released soon in a 3-5cm extension with a 31.8 clamp size and a removable 
> faceplate.  Has anyone set up their Appaloosa in a similar way?
>

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[RBW] Re: Dealing with verbal harrassment on the road

[Edwin W]

>
> Here in the south I assume most people have guns. So I am really working 
> on not responding!
>

Not always able to, and always regretful when I respond! Like when a guy 
raised his handgun off the dash. He didn't point it at me or anything, but 
scared the living daylights out of me.

Working to improve myself,

Edwin 

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[RBW] Re: Any UnRacers in Franklin, Tennessee?

[Edwin W]

Let me all know if you organize a ride! 
I would be happy to participate and maybe have a kid or two come if it is 
low key enough.

Edwin
Nashville, TN

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 6:25:06 PM UTC-5, Karl wrote:
>
> Matt,
>
> Thanks for the kind words. Andrew... I think we may already be connected! 
> Would love to ride sometime. I have a slight affinity for Rivendell and 
> share many of their philosophies. 
>
> Karl
> Nashville, TN
>
>

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[RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Edwin W]

Jeff,

I would add one under-studied disadvantage of wearing a helmet: 
You are more likely to hit your head on things when you have a helmet on 
than when you do not have one on. I have not seen this scientifically 
studied (yet!), but I have experienced it myself. Your body is so well 
trained to know where your head is and to avoid that thing hitting 
something. Add 1-2" of plastic and foam around it and your subconscious 
judgment is off. I remember hiking in a cave. I kept knocking my head into 
things when wearing a hat. I took the hat off and I didn't hit it again. 
Now, how many cracked helmets are due to this effect, I cannot say, but I 
will bet more that one.
*This is NOT a reason to not wear a helmet if you are inclined to do so, 
but one small disadvantage of wearing one.
I am more likely to wear a helmet when the risk is higher (in a criterium), 
and less likely to wear it when the risk is lower (toodling in the 
Netherlands) while biking, but walking or driving... no matter how risky 
the situation is (driving in a snowstorm on unplowed roads, for example, or 
walking right next to a busy street), I will not wear a helmet, and 
(almost) nobody has ever suggested it.

Edwin

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 1:42:02 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> I have often wondered the same thing. And by often I mean at least three 
> times, maybe four.
>
> E... off the top of my head:
>
> 1) Helmet hair
> 2) Heat/ventilation/general discomfort
> 3) Personal liberty/bodily autonomy/1%er 
> 4) Something about how when you wear a helmet you are more likely to be a 
> daredevil or act less safely
> 5) Possibly something else about how drivers will give you less space if 
> they think you are protected by a helmet but I can't remember
>
> What am I missing in the way of downsides? Serious, honest, earnest 
> question.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 11:29:40 AM UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
>>
>> I can’t really see any downside to wearing a helmet; at the very least it 
>> will save the noggin from lacerations.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Edwin W]

Here are my FAQs about my helmet use that I share with friends and family to 
prove I am the bike obsessed person in their life:

Do you ever wear a helmet?
Sure, I wear a helmet sometimes. I am more likely to wear a helmet if it is 
cold, dark, rainy, or all of the above. Also, I am more likely to wear a helmet 
if I am going fast, like for exercise. I am also more likely to wear a helmet 
if I am going for a very long ride, like a tour, where I will be riding on 
roads with trucks going fast.
Do you ever not wear a helmet?
Sure, I often don’t wear a helmet. I am less likely to wear a helmet if I am 
riding at a casual speed, on an upright bicycle and on streets with slow 
traffic.
Do you make your kids wear a helmet?
Yes, it is the law here in Tennessee.
Isn’t that a double standard?
Not really…. We both follow the laws. Also, I have a lot more experience. I 
have been riding bikes for 40 years and have ridden more than 10,000 miles in 
the last few years alone.
Wouldn’t a helmet make you safer in a wreck?
Probably. I liken it to driving and walking for transportation. It is fairly 
safe, but crashes do happen. If you were in a crash, a helmet would probably 
help. I know a family that hit a deer while driving, and the antlers pierced 
the skull of one of the passengers. A helmet would have prevented that, but 
nobody I know would recommend that the passenger wear a helmet in the future, 
or not get in a car again.
But aren’t you safer in a car, surrounded by 5000 pounds of steel and with a 
seatbelt and airbags?
Yes, and still 40,000 people die every year due to cars. Just in the US! Also, 
about 280,000 people have traumatic brain injuries due to motor vehicle crashes 
each year in the US. I am sure many would have been prevented by a helmet.
But isn’t walking safer since you are on a sidewalk?
Still, 4,000 people die while walking every year in the US, many of them on the 
sidewalk, where cars occasionally crash.
Would you recommend that motorcycle riders wear a helmet?
Yes, study after study connects increased helmet use with a decrease in death 
rate among motorcycle riders.
Aren’t there studies that connect increased bike helmet use with decreased 
deaths?
Surprisingly, no. There are studies that show that many people who have been 
injured in a bike crash were not wearing helmets, but that is not the same. The 
safest places for biking are where people rarely wear helmets.
Why are bike racers required to wear helmets?
The same reason that car racers are required to wear helmets: they go much 
faster than you and I do and they travel in a very tight pack. If you bike like 
a bike racer, you might want to consider a helmet.
My Questions for You:
Would wearing a helmet while driving make you safer, less safe, or about the 
same?
Most people I ask admit that it would probably make them safer, but nobody I 
know wears a helmet for driving, even when driving at night, in the mountains, 
in the rain or in the snow. Or driving fast surrounded by big trucks. Nobody I 
know has even considered it! And I think that is fine.
Would wearing a helmet while walking make you safer, less safe, or about the 
same?
Most people I ask say “about the same.” Because of this, nobody I know has ever 
considered wearing a helmet when walking.
I think wearing a helmet when driving or walking (and biking around town) would 
make you safer, but it is not SO dangerous, and a helmet would not make you SO 
much safer that I would recommend wearing one all the time. I don’t know why 
people so consistently single out biking as a particularly dangerous activity 
that requires helmet use.
Also, “unintentional injury” is the leading cause of death in people ages 1-44. 
Unintentional motor vehicle incident is the leading or 2nd leading cause of 
these injuries in people over 1 year old. Shouldn’t we be talking more about 
how to decrease these deaths and injuries rather than focusing so much on 
biking without a helmet? Remember, biking is very safe, and is good for your 
city. If you want to improve health, safety, or your town, ride a bike! With or 
without a helmet!

Edwin

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[RBW] Cargo e-bikes are an amazing concept, but the options are imperfect

[Edwin W]

One more to consider: the Workcycles fr8 V8. I have had all non electric 
assists: Yuba mundo, bakfiets and fr8 so can only speak to the bike design. I 
think the fr8 is the most bike like and most likely to be ridden without a big 
load like 1-3 kids. It is a nice one to have as the kids grow out of riding 
with you (though my 12 year old will still catch a ride on it). 
But since you are talking long distances and hot weather etc.. an assist makes 
sense and so think of the V8 version. German motor (not Bosch but workcyckes 
only uses really good parts) and lights, fenders etc. are included. Great add 
ons like racks (get a front and rear) and child seat in between you and the 
handlebars: the favorite spot for all of my kids and the best handling. 
Now, a rest ride for a week makes so much sense and you might not be able to do 
that, which is a huge drawback. 

Let us know what you get,

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Midweight Hoody Recommendation

[Edwin W]

I was looking at these this fall:
Black diamond hybrid hoody (part wool) and first light(?) hoody
Patagonia nano air
Atom LT. 

Atom LT I thought was the best. And not even the most expensive! If you can get 
it 30% off at reí: good for you. 

Let us know what you decide. 

Edwin 

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[RBW] Balance Bikes for Bouncing Babies

[Edwin W]

I like pneumatic tires because they are quieter. Some like plastic because they 
are lighter. Probably doesn’t make a huge difference, though pneumatics might 
last a touch longer. 
I always have pushed my kids a bit faster into the next size bike than I 
probably should... three kids in I am getting better. Let them lead the way, to 
tell you when they want to move up tot he next stage or next size. 
CL should have several options for skuut, strider, etc. I would offer $30 cold 
cash for a good quality one. 
Like others have said, the transition from balance  bike to pedal bike is super 
easy and smooth. 
Good luck!

Edwin

Edwin

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[RBW] Pitlock Skewer assistance

[Edwin W]

I’m so glad I’m not the only one that has these kind of “user errors” when 
working on bikes. 
Always learning from this list,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: My first Rivendell!

[Edwin W]

Components: cheap
Getting to AUS: expensive
That gap between the rear wheel and the seat tube? Priceless.

Enjoy!

Appaloosa'ed in Nashville,

Edwin

>
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[RBW] Re: Ride in the wind -- or not?

[Edwin W]

Deacon P, if you ever get blown to Tennessee, look me up!

In Nashville, where the wind doesn’t usually seem to bad factor in to my riding 
decisions,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Updated A. Homer Hilsen

[Edwin W]

I love matching fenders.

Edwin

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 4:41:51 PM UTC-6, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Apologies in advance for the indoor lighting (currently 3 inches of 
> ice/freezing rain outside) but figured I would share some pictures of my 
> updated AHH. I bought the frame from Riv in 2013 and at the time, brazed on 
> Paul center pull brakes were not an option.
>
> Fast forward to current day. I took the frame and fork to Hanford Cycles 
> in Philadelphia for the following mods:
>
> Braze on mounts for Paul Racer Center Pull brakes
> Threaded rear fender mounts (brake & chainstay bridge)
> Provisions for Internal wiring in the down tube and front fork
> Chain hanger
>
> Since the work would require some re-painting I also included a set of 
> Honjo fenders to have them painted the same color as the frame. They did a 
> great job matching the existing paint and even gave me the leftovers for 
> future touch ups. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Edwin W]

Tony,

I love that idea! Everyone gets what they want! Riv gets sales, with 
guarantees, and everyone gets their dream frame. As long as five or so others 
share that dream. At that price!
I would start with an original one tube Atlantis and might even get a quick 
beam. You only get to do this once every 25 years!!

“I’m with Tony,”

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts: Downsizing the bike stable and dual-purposing bikes

[Edwin W]

In my family biking experience, I will expect you to have an easier time 
with her up front than in the back. I find that a kid in the back affects 
the ride MUCH more than a kid up front. My current family is the stoutest 
of stout Workcycles Fr8 and I have the kid saddle mounted on the downtube. 
I can put my 12 year old and toodle around with him in front of me. But 
when I have a kid on the back, I have to make sure the tires are pumped up 
enough and it is much more noticeable.

I know I did not answer your question except to say: keep her up front as 
long as you can!

And I like Deacon P's suggestion of putting the seat over there with the 
current set up.

Good luck,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Just your average Clem Smith.... not!

[Edwin W]

Never knew about hydraulic cantis before. You learn something every single 
day.

Edwin

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 3:33:56 PM UTC-6, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> No affiliation to the seller and have no knowledge of the bike... but 
> wow!?  Possibly the most lavished upon Clem in the world.  Not saying it 
> shouldn't be done, but still... Makes me laugh to think how builds can take 
> on a life - and budget - of their own.
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-with-rohloff/6788752899.html
>
> Bob
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] How do you track your mileage?

[Edwin W]

I use a wired cyclocomputer that rarely needs a new battery (Years?) and tracks 
every mile I ride. That way I never have to turn my phone or an app on. 
But that is for my style of riding: a mile here, 3 miles there, I rarely ride 
more than 10 at a time. I am an AtoB cyclist and can’t be bothered by doing 
something st the beginning of every ride, several times a day!

Edwin

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[RBW] My 58 Joe for your 61 Atlantis?

[Edwin W]

61 Atlantis owners,

I like my Joe just fine!
But if I could swap it out for an Atlantis, I would.

Do you have one top tube, but would like two? My Joe has two!
Do you have typical chain stays and would like longer? My Joe has long 
chain stays!
Do you like mustard color better than the Atlantis green?
I think those are the main differences... minor, I know.

Here is mine 
. 
I can send more pics if you are interested.

Frame for a frame would be simplest.

Edwin 
Nashville, TN

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for wind-stopping hats for helmet-less winter riding?

[Edwin W]

Stormy Kromer has a pretty good 
one https://www.stormykromer.com/the-original-stormy-kromer-cap/
It is has a few features:

   1. Not a huge brim, but bigger than a cycling cap
   2. Has a little nifty way of lowering some material down over your ears, 
   and off your ears when you don't need it.
   3. Comes in orange!

I got one size too small so that it would not blow off, hoping it would 
stretch a bit and it hasn't yet!

Doesn't get below 30 degrees F here in Nashville much,

Edwin


On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 9:55:20 AM UTC-6, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Want to know what is good at windstopping while biking in winter in 
> hats/caps (no helmet coverage over hat).
> Also has to be good for drops riding (small brim/no brim hats).
>
> I have a couple really nice wool cycling caps but the breeze goes right 
> thru.
>
> What works for you?
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Note: No need to discuss helmet wearing. We all know the arguments and 
> make our own decisions. Just want to know what hats are good at wind 
> blocking. Thanks so much!
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Orange Roadini frame 54cm

[Edwin W]

Have we seen a picture of the Seven yet? I’d like to!

Without a bike shed, fiddling less, maybe I missed it,

Edwin

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[RBW] Picture from the Blahg of Gus in action

[Edwin W]

Are Grant and his neighbor both on a Gus? Or just one of them? Funny how 
the different bars make them look like different bikes.
I would rather the flatter bar on that terrain, I know, for going up or 
going down.

Edwin


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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for floor pumps?

[Edwin W]

I’ve had a good run with the basic specialized model I bought at my local bike 
store. $35, easy with shrader or presta, nothing fancy, great volume compared 
to my Lezyne with that super fiddle head that some people can use with no 
problems. Not me! I was always unscrewing codes and whatnot. 

Liking dual head easy pumps with no screwing involved,

Edwin 

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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Edwin W]

Lugless Boistown
Guess will boston
Boot wins lugless
Low go subtle sins
Subtle logo winss

And my favorite, though not likely to be the actual name:
Lugless town, I sob!

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[RBW] Re: Reflections On My Riv and A Weight Loss Program

[Edwin W]

If you ever do want an ebike, my wife’s Faraday Cortland S in M (they don’t 
make the step through model in L) feels very comfortable to me, at 6’ with 90 
PBH. I’ve even ridden my business partner’s Small many miles comfortably. 

Disclaimer, I am a Faraday dealer!

Edwin
Morebikenashville.com

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[RBW] heard a song that reminded me of my Riv bikes

[Edwin W]

RIP!! 
LA Freeways is such a good tune. For all those who lived in Cali at some point 
and headed home. For some reason. 

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Fender Options

[Edwin W]

Jandrews,

Here is a photo of the current build. 
https://flic.kr/p/22Qovsd

Edwin

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[RBW] Riv basket nets hook source?

[Edwin W]

I like Rivendell's basket nets.
I remember when they brought them out they specifically commented on the 
quality of the hooks. And they are high quality.
I was glad to hear on their Blahg yesterday that a shipment of blue nets is 
coming. I will get one. 
I think they come with four hooks and you can zip tie the net to your 
basket and have a few extra, but for some reason I am down to two and need 
a few more.

What I am asking is: has anyone found a source for hooks like that for when 
you need more? "Plastic hooks" is an impossible search term.


Thanks,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: U locks and Pitlocks

[Edwin W]

I think the chains are more flexible (haha).
https://www.kryptonitelock.com/content/kryt-us-2/en/products/product-information/current-key/002345.html?type=bicycle

Edwin

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 4:13:37 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Hi All, 
>
> Every year I drive across the country from Nevada to Minnesota to spend a 
> month of the summer among family. I've always done it with my bikes on the 
> hitch-mounted rack, secured with a couple of cable locks. I've never had a 
> u lock or pit locks as I live in a low-risk area and ride to low-risk 
> areas, rarely needing to park my bike or leave it out of sight. I'm poor in 
> knowledge of security for bikes, I'm afraid. And with TBBITW (The Best Bike 
> in the World) in tow, I'm fearful about losing it. I've been operating 
> under the belief that Minnesota Nice reigns, but times have changed, I 
> guess!
>
> My sister and brother in law recently moved to Minneapolis, and his bike 
> was stolen from his yard (his fault for forgetting it out there). This is 
> the reason why there's a grilver Clem L arriving at his local bike shop for 
> assembly tomorrow. Today, I got a frantic call from my sister. They have a 
> married pair of doctors (paradox? haha) visiting them from out east, and 
> knowing that MN is prime bike country, they brought their bikes. While 
> visiting the Swedish museum in Duluth, they parked their bikes at the rack 
> in front of the museum entrance and the doctors secured their bikes with 
> cable locks. They were away only briefly, and when they emerged, a museum 
> employee was wheeling away Dan's bike. She had seen that the cable lock was 
> cut, and she was astute enough to realize what must have happened and she 
> was rescuing it. Christine's $1300 brand new bike had already been cut 
> loose and taken. My sister's Birea (sp) was u-locked and thus undisturbed.
>
> You might imagine I have some anxiety over this, as we have lots of bike 
> adventures planned for our stay next month. I've started looking at old 
> threads here, but the Abus u locks mentioned aren't the current ones being 
> sold, or the ones referenced aren't in stock. If someone out there has 
> recently been in the market for a new u-lock, would you mind posting here? 
> If I could lock two bikes together with one u lock, that would be even 
> better. I'll have 4 bikes - a Betz, a Clem H, a Specialized Hotrock at 20 
> inches, and a little Islabike. Do you think I need pit locks for our Brooks 
> saddles? Do I need them for the wheels if we have front and rear racks on 
> the Rivs? How long should the locks be? I've seen mini, but I think that 
> might limit how I can park. I have a huge front basket, so that complicates 
> parking anyway.
>
> I'm most grateful for the wisdom shared here!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Edwin W]

Karl,

Halcyon Bikes on 12th South had one of those out front in the last few 
months. You might check to see if it is still there. I think it was on 
consignment. 

Edwin

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:53:38 PM UTC-5, Karl wrote:
>
> Congratulations Chris! Looks fun! Let me know if it doesn’t work out. I 
> have been pondering travel bikes lately! 
>
> Karl 
> Nashville, TN

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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Edwin W]

Neil wrote: "I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal 
at about 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal?"
I have seen Jan's writing on optimal size (it seems like for him 650b at 
42), but he knows other people have different needs, either due to human 
size, frame size, or other things, they may want a tire as skinny as 26mm 
(is that the smallest they offer?) or as wide as 55mm.

Edwin

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 10:48:35 AM UTC-5, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: 
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>
> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 
> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>
> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I 
> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only 
> cost me a small fortune to find out.
>

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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Edwin W]

Bob,

I agree. I wouldn’t try on a Sam, but would be pretty sure these would fit on a 
Joe without fenders. And maybe even with! I’m cruising with the 44s in a 
befendered Joe and they are good. I had Schwalbe Furious Fred’s on there before 
and there was a little wiggle room. 

Rim width might make a little difference. 

I’ll be interested to hear what people find. 

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: What do Riv riders like for front low rider racks?

[Edwin W]

Dave,
Tubus Smarti? Discontinued, but a few around. I had never heard of those. And 
they might work. I have 44-622 tires on mine. What size tires do you have?
Can you take a picture of the clearance at the hoop?  
They are (were) advertised for up to 622 wheels, but they did not specify tire 
size. 

Thanks!

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: What do Riv riders like for front low rider racks?

[Edwin W]

Ah-ha! I found the answer:

Norther Bikes has already made one for a Rivendell Atlantis.

And they made Jan's setup for his Mule.
http://www.northercycles.com/custom-racks/

And it costs $699.

Not quite ready for that level of commitment yet...

Edwin 

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[RBW] Re: What do Riv riders like for front low rider racks?

[Edwin W]

>
> I like this Bob-ish approach (in german, but I get the point). That's what 
> I call custom!
>
 
http://fahrradzukunft.de/3/packtaschen/
 
Edwin

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[RBW] Re: What do Riv riders like for front low rider racks?

[Edwin W]

I measured the distance from fork eyelet to Riv. Mid fork eyelets and it is 10” 
vs the standard 6.5”. 

Back to the drawing board. 

Still want to hear other work arounds/options. 

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: What do Riv riders like for front low rider racks?

[Edwin W]

So the mid fork braze-ons on the Joe Appa are too high? That is, the 
distance from dropout to mid fork braze-on is greater than "typical?"

H

I will be interested to hear what people do.

Thanks!

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 9:54:34 AM UTC-5, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Without true mid-fork lowrider rack mounts, I use a Nitto 27F Campee rack 
> on my Appaloosa.  That said, it would take the place of your Mark's rack. 
>  The low rider portions of the 27F are removable so there is some weight 
> savings possible when not in loaded mode.  Also, the choice of front bags 
> may be a little limited as the height of the lowrider portions of the 27F 
> is a little short for some panniers.  I use old Carradice front panniers 
> and they are working for me when needed.
>
> I could be wrong but you will probably need to use P-clamps or another 
> solution for replicating mid-fork mounts for the Tubus or the Salsa racks. 
>  The Riv HA rack would work though as I believe it attaches to the mounts 
> you are probably using for the Mark's rack now.
>
> Attached are very quick shots of my Joe with the 27F...
>
> It could be that people have come up with good ways to use Tubus racks as 
> I know Tubus has various mount options.  I will be interested to find out 
> what people have done.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Bob
> Galesburg, IL
>

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[RBW] What do Riv riders like for front low rider racks?

[Edwin W]

I have a Joe Appaloosa with a Mark’s rack, Wald medium and a rear rack.That 
is all fine and good, but I was thinking of getting a front lowrider rack 
to throw on when I am going camping. Partly to experiment with weight 
distribution. 
What do you all like? 
I see the Tubus Duo  (need double 
sided eyelets which I have) and Tara 
 (which has the hoop). $120
Salsa Down Under Rack 
. 
Aluminum. $65
Riv Hub Area rack. 7 lb (really?) weight limit. Sold out/discontinued.

Any others that people love? Thoughts on steel v aluminum?

Thanks!

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

[Edwin W]

Regarding Tom's worry about downtube shifters: a cool photo would be you on 
the bike in your comfortable riding position, and then a picture of you 
shifting. 
You would need some photo assistants, perhaps some props, and a creative 
director, I am sure.

Cool bike, cool bars, tight.

Edwin

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 10:51:16 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Not use drop bars?!?  That's crazy talk.  Upright just means the tops of 
> the bars are above the saddle.  
>
> The build is pretty much done, just waiting for shellac.  Here are three 
> lousy photos in bad light.  I tried to use flash but forgot about my 
> reflective rim decals and reflective brake cable housing.  Hopefully you 
> get the idea:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> The build list goes something like this
>
>
> Frameset: 57cm Leo Roadini, Grilver, FSA headset
>
>
> Wheelset:  HED Belgium Rims, White Industries hubs, Challenge Eroica 
> tires, SRAM 11-26 10sp cassette, control tech ti-skewers
>
>
> Drivetrain: Compass/Herse cranks 44/30, White Industries BB, Shimano SPD 
> pedals, CX70 Front der, Dura Ace 7900 Rear Der, Dura Ace 10sp index 
> downtube shifters, SRAM 1091 chain
>
>
> Components: Shimano BR550 brakes, Shimano 105 brakelevers, Nitto Soba 
> Noodle bars, Nitto Ritchey "XO-1" stem, Nitto 65 Seatpost, Avocet Saddle
>
>
> Accessories: Ti King Cage, Newbaums red and green cloth tape
>
>
> 21.8 pounds as pictured
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 7:53:22 AM UTC-7, RichS wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations Bill. Looking forward to seeing pics of the newest 
>> addition to your bike family. "Civilized and upright" sounds like you won't 
>> use drop bars.
>>
>> Best,
>> Richard
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 11:51:11 PM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>>
>>> Good deal, Bill. I think the Roadini is a great bike, and if I lost my 
>>> 1983 Trek 520, that's what I'd replace it with. Grilver is the color I'd 
>>> choose too. It reminds me of the sweet silver gray metallic Imron paint job 
>>> my Trek came with. I also think the headbadge is the bees knees.
>>>
>>> Eamon
>>> Seattle
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Edwin W]

Jim,

You are very good at you job. Thanks!

I like your idea of not being able to post a FS until x months after your first 
post. Probably would not have to be too long to weed out people who find the 
list, sign up, and post a FS right away. 

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Edwin W]

Can’t wait to get mind and have no fear of my wife stealing mine!

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: 137 Wald + Which Front Rack?

[Edwin W]

Yes I ignore that rating.
I have put a gallon of milk in that combo.
I have put a 21 pack of cans there.

But if you want to put 10kg in there every day for longer stretches, you 
might look into a more sturdy rack, but for short trips here and there, I 
have found it sufficient.

Edwin

On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 10:43:40 AM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> I'm gonna try mid-week grocery runs on the Atlantis.  I stuffed 2 plastic 
> grocery bags with some typical mid-week grocery contents and determined the 
> Wald 137's dimensions should contain it just fine.
>
> However, the typical "zip tie it to the front rack" recommendation has me 
> guessing, since the Mark's rack is rated to only 4.4 lbs.  1 gallon of milk 
> would blow that easily.  Are people ignoring the weight ratings?
>
> What do you use to support your Wald 137? I would prefer not to use the 
> huge support legs that you can get from Wald; would be nice if they were a 
> little more svelte/Nitto-like.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[Edwin W]

We have not yet seen what the two larger sizes will look like, but wasn't 
there a seat tube to downtube double top tube in there?
Inspiration could have come from this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-French-bicycle-frame-La-Triomphante-path-racer-randonneur-fixie/183159497124?hash=item2aa52821a4:g:cYEAAOSwRHVamvxg

Got my double top tubes on my Appa 58,

Edwin

On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 2:24:37 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Now you can put your money down on a new Atlantis:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/frame-new-atlantis
>
> Happy shopping! 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Seen on My instagram: 700x55 Compass slicks

[Edwin W]

And I JUST got a pair of Snoqualmie pass for my Joe Appa. Well, I guess 
I'll just have to ride them for a few thousand miles and see how they do 
before I upgrade.

Edwin

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 8:14:34 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Compass posted a photo of a 700x55 Antelope Pass road tire. The post 
> called it a prototype currently under test. That’s going to be an exciting 
> option for many. Who’s going to put them on their Hunqapillar first?   
>
> Bill Lindsay 
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[RBW] Re: Homer Hilsen stolen in San Francisco

[Edwin W]

What do you find fishy about the ad? Except for their poor understanding of 
the difference between "your" and "you're" of course.

Priced high, pictures of several potentially unique aspects of the bike, 
and a posted serial number.

What made you think it might be the stolen one? The "powder blue?" I 
couldn't tell on my computer monitor with those pictures if there was 
anything unique about the color.

Edwin

On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 12:56:28 PM UTC-5, C Sharp wrote:
>
> Hi Tom, 
>
> Is this your bike? This CL ad seems fishy to me. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/rivendell-homer-hilsen/6549937327.html 
>
> Best of luck, 
> Cameron 
> Brooklyn

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a spare Rivendell mug they're willing to part with?

[Edwin W]

I’m in for a couple. 
Or if they wanted to do a lightweight camping one I’d spring for a couple of 
those. 

Pre-order of course. 

Edwin
Nashville

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[RBW] Re: David Lance Goines Riv Bike Poster

[Edwin W]

I hope you all aren’t in the practice of buying lottery tickets if nobody has 
guessed right!

Cool idea though!

Fat and happy with my own poster,

Edwin in Nashville

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[RBW] Where is Grant's guide to photographing your bike?

[Edwin W]

I remember Grant writing a guide to taking a picture of your bike, but I 
can't find it.
Does anyone know where it is?

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Edwin W]

Update: Thank you all so much for your help. They did turn out to be the 
wrong levers, so my LBS switched them out using the Ray "keep the clamp, 
switch the levers" Varella trick, and all is good.

Long pull levers sure do make a big difference with V brakes. Haha. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/39018444880/in/album-72157666755295618/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/39018444890/in/album-72157666755295618/

Edwin

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 2:42:59 PM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I have not seen (m)any photos of Appaloosas with a drop bar. I wanted to 
> do something new this spring, and my wallet did not want me to get a new 
> bike, so I put on some drops.
> I had tried this a few years ago with my Sam, and it never felt great, so 
> I got a shorter stem this time (7cm vs 9cm). Then I put yellow Newbaum's on 
> with a light coat of clear shellac. Spring time!
>
> One thing I don't love is that I got the absolute tallest V Brakes I could 
> find when I bought this, and those tall V Brakes need the absolute most 
> cable pull... and the tektro v brake levers for drop bars bottom out. They 
> stop the bike, but no room to spare! Any ideas on how to pull more cable 
> save for getting those pulley add on things? I was thinking of trying 
> another washer on the inside of the arm to put the tops of the arms a 
> little further apart. Will that make a difference?
>
> Photos 
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/40598446042/in/dateposted-friend/>
>
> I would love to see pictures any other drop bar Appaloosas.
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Edwin W]

Bill,

How did you pick the size, and what are the sizes of your other bikes?

I have looked at those frames before, but after seeing your post I went and 
looked at them some more. It really does seem "dumb not to buy one" as you 
say! What sensible bikes.

If I had some 2-3 hour mountain bike rides in my future, I sure would want 
one of those.

Mostly just biking from A to B on my Joe Appaloosa,

Edwin

On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 12:31:33 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I finally bought a BMC Monstercross frameset.  Why?  Because it's dumb not 
> to buy one.  The only thing that had been stopping me was the horizontal 
> dropouts, because vertical dropouts are categorically better.  Since the 
> last time I decided horizontal dropouts were a dealkiller, I've acquired 4 
> bikes with horizontal dropouts, and guess what?  I didn't die.  Vertical 
> dropouts are better, but horizontals are not the end of the world.  The 
> BRIGHT green colorway of the latest batch made it irresistable.  So, new 
> bike day?  The build will be a drop bar mountain bike.  No racks, no 
> lights, no fenders.  It'll be used for 2-3 hour mountain bike rides. I'll 
> post photos when there is something to look at.  I have a couple small 
> details to iron out.  
>
> In the meantime, there have been a couple gram-counter threads recently, 
> and I thought I'd offer up another datapoint while I have a bare frame and 
> fork:
>
> A 58cm Black Mountain Monstercross frame, with Cane Creek 40 headset cups 
> pressed in, weighs 2257g
> The fork with a crown race installed and an uncut threadless steerer is 
> 1057g
>
> Use that data for whatever you like.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Edwin W]

Tip o’ the nose of the saddle to center of clamp is 51.75 cm. 

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Edwin W]

Ray,

That is genius!

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Edwin W]

Darn it Jeremy was right! 
Now, I guess I have to un wrap the whole bars and replace the levers and re 
wrap?

Ugg. 

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Edwin W]

Detective Till,

If you are correct, I am going to be annoyed at my local bike shop but 
not forever, since they take good care of me. And I did such a good job of 
wrapping the bars!

I'll check it out tonight... but I think you are right, since I had the 
same problem with flat bars a number of years ago until I learned about 
long pull levers.

Learning, always learning,

Edwin

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:00:15 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Are the brake levers in the pictures the ones that bottom out?  If so, I 
> think you somehow ended up with wrong levers.  Those look like Tektro 
> RL340's, which are short-pull (caliper/canti) levers: 
>
> http://www.tektro.com/products.php?p=72
>
> The RL520's are the v-brake compatible levers and they have a much taller 
> profile: 
>
> http://www.tektro.com/products.php?p=71
>
>
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 12:42:59 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> I have not seen (m)any photos of Appaloosas with a drop bar. I wanted to 
>> do something new this spring, and my wallet did not want me to get a new 
>> bike, so I put on some drops.
>> I had tried this a few years ago with my Sam, and it never felt great, so 
>> I got a shorter stem this time (7cm vs 9cm). Then I put yellow Newbaum's on 
>> with a light coat of clear shellac. Spring time!
>>
>> One thing I don't love is that I got the absolute tallest V Brakes I 
>> could find when I bought this, and those tall V Brakes need the absolute 
>> most cable pull... and the tektro v brake levers for drop bars bottom out. 
>> They stop the bike, but no room to spare! Any ideas on how to pull more 
>> cable save for getting those pulley add on things? I was thinking of trying 
>> another washer on the inside of the arm to put the tops of the arms a 
>> little further apart. Will that make a difference?
>>
>> Photos 
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/40598446042/in/dateposted-friend/>
>>
>> I would love to see pictures any other drop bar Appaloosas.
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Edwin W]

I have not seen (m)any photos of Appaloosas with a drop bar. I wanted to do 
something new this spring, and my wallet did not want me to get a new bike, 
so I put on some drops.
I had tried this a few years ago with my Sam, and it never felt great, so I 
got a shorter stem this time (7cm vs 9cm). Then I put yellow Newbaum's on 
with a light coat of clear shellac. Spring time!

One thing I don't love is that I got the absolute tallest V Brakes I could 
find when I bought this, and those tall V Brakes need the absolute most 
cable pull... and the tektro v brake levers for drop bars bottom out. They 
stop the bike, but no room to spare! Any ideas on how to pull more cable 
save for getting those pulley add on things? I was thinking of trying 
another washer on the inside of the arm to put the tops of the arms a 
little further apart. Will that make a difference?

Photos 


I would love to see pictures any other drop bar Appaloosas.

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Keven Sighting on Riv Instagram

[Edwin W]

TC, I have a FR8 with the frame mounted rack and it is so solid. The bike is so 
damn heavy, though. That said, it makes my Joe Appaloosa feel like a feather 
weight!


Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Keven Sighting on Riv Instagram

[Edwin W]

I have had two cargo bikes with this feature and love it for load hauling, 
especially when the load is more than 10 or 15 pounds. 
Would love to see how this bike turns out at the end: it looks like a fantastic 
project: versatile in terms of use and surface travelled. 

Edwin

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[RBW] Riv request for store credits

[Edwin W]

RBW is flawed like any business. Or human run enterprise. Too much time and 
energy spent on the wrong stuff (though some love those wind shirt Dickey 
things I am sure haha) and not enough time in the core, brand defining and 
money making aspects. Sometimes bikes are boring and wind Dickeys are exciting. 
I often spend time doing things that don’t gain me money, fame or much else. 
And those things that crush he cash flow: inventory, overhead and payroll. Hard 
to run much of a business without them. 
A consultant could come in and “correct” many of these things, fire half the 
staff and remove all mention of wind Dickeys from RBW. But then it wouldn’t be 
RBW, would it. 

Maybe I should have added one of the last wind Dickeys and a few splats to my 
last order. 

Hail Mary,

Edwin 

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Fender Options

[Edwin W]

I’ve got the wide Berthoud ones. 60mm?

They are great and fit really well. 

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

[Edwin W]

I am a hair over 6'0 with a PBH of 90cm and had a 60cm Sam that fit very 
well. I think if I were getting one now I would be battleing between 58 and 
62. My first instinct was to say "58," but the best bet is to talk it 
through with Riv. 

Now on a 58 Joe,

Edwin

On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 1:38:19 AM UTC-6, John W wrote:
>
> Hello folks,
>
> I'm reaching out for some input regarding current Sam Hillbornes.
>
> I'm 6' tall with an 85PBH (say, 86.25 PBH with shoes.) Saddle height 
> ~75cm, a Brooks B17 which runs about 6cm tall.
>
> Riv recommends a size 55 frame, but I know I could ride a 58. I'll ride on 
> pavement and trails. Less so, gnarly track. And I'll set up drop bars about 
> 1cm lower than my saddle. 
>
> My concerns are:
>
> — will I have enough exposed stem above the headset and cable hanger in 
> front?
> — will the bike handle oddly with just ~2cm of exposed stem?
> — am I setting myself up for the inability to use taller upright bars in 
> the future?
>
> I cribbed this photo from a fellow with a shorter saddle height than me:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/4354827488/in/pool-hillborne/
>
> The 55 is the safe bet, while the 58 looks doable. 
>
> I'm cautious of getting a bike that's too small for me. Generally 
> speaking, I'm a 56cm on Surly road frames and I don't feel stretched out on 
> them.
>
> What say you? 55 or 58?
>
> Separately, looking at the geo charts on Riv's site, the Stack and Reach 
> measurements on the Sam Hillbornes look off to me, but perhaps I'm not 
> correctly parsing the effect of the 71.5 STA.
>
> Apologies for the naval gazing email. Any input would be appreciated.
>
> John in NYC
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: It’s all about the power: Handlebar height/body position

[Edwin W]

In the "Garth Philosophy" category of posts, this one rates quite high. 
Readable, relevant, and made me chuckle.

Edwin

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 10:30:37 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
> Yes, I'd rather agree with this. 
>
> If you are satisfied with your riding experience and wonder how and why, 
> you'll become aware of ideas that agree with and rationalize-explain the 
> experience.  
>
> If you are not satisfied and wonder why and how, you'll become aware of 
> ideas that agree with and rationalize-explain the experience. 
>
> And if you don't care to question-prove-disprove how and why of the ride 
> and like to just ride for the sake of the ride , you'll just be riding 
> along :) 
>
> If you agree with this there will be agreement, if not there will not . 
>
> ( ( (   laughing with myself) ) )  
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 10:47:41 AM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> I think you either got it or you don’t.  Real world is not the same as 
>> book theory. Just look at all the Tour de France riders bobbing around all 
>> over their bikes and being sloppy yet they are some of the fastest in the 
>> world. Or Freddy Hoffman who averages 18mph with upright bars and 100lbs. 
>> of kit.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sage Canti Sam Hillborne

[Edwin W]

Adam,

Cool! Love the frame and bar tape colors.
What length stem and what kind of bars?

Next project: drops on my Joe A.

Edwin

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 3:30:45 PM UTC-6, adam leibow wrote:
>
> a week ago today i left work an hour early, rode my skateboard to bart to 
> walnut creek, skated to HQ from bart, and picked up a new 58cm canti sam in 
> sage. i spent that night building the bike with parts bin parts and parts 
> stolen from other bikes in order to ride it on the boyzonthehoods super 
> bowl escape campout. i was up until almost 2 in the morning, but i got it 
> done and made the ride to camp, despite a too-short chain and. my friend 
> had his nice dslr and shot this photo 
>
>
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Edwin W]

Looks like it is here in Music City, where I feel like I know each and every 
Rivendell... but I guess I don’t!
https://nashville.craigslist.org/bik/d/rivendell-protovelo-55cm/6487405597.html

Edwin

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[RBW] WTB: 60-70mm quill stem 26.0 clamp

[Edwin W]

Got one. Thanks group!

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[RBW] WTB: 60-70mm quill stem 26.0 clamp

[Edwin W]

(Excuse the cross post from iBob list, but I wasn't getting any luck over 
there.)

Anyone have one they are not using? Nitto technomic deluxe preferred. 
Nobody took me up on my offer to trade so I will just ask for upright 
sales.. but I do have a 90mm technomic deluxe 26.0 (too long) and a 70mm 
standard older stem 25.4 for sale/trade if anyone wants to make a deal.
Send me a pic and a price !
Dweendaddy (at} hotmail

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

[Edwin W]

Close this thread now! Before all hell (haha) breaks out. 

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Edwin W]

Alex’s #2. 

Justin: I never saw the Argo. That’s cool. I think I am out of the box bike 
range now, the single purpose-ness of the box bike is why I sold mine. 

Edwin

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[RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Edwin W]

Why not just “fix” the Quickbeam?

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Edwin W]

Jim,

That is just like my situation! Here in Nashville there are so many garages 
that eclipse my bike collection in value with just one car and nobody 
blinks an eye, but mothers/mothers in law types seem to be interested in 
how many bikes I have!
I have a bunch of kids bikes and a few in the shed which is not where I am 
living now and so never ride, like an old Schwinn tandem, a fix-ified 
Raleigh sprite, an old GT Avalanche MTB on loan to a friend, and in our 
basement but rarely used is a Dahon Boardwalk single speed guest bike. 
All I am really using right now is:

1. appaloosa - ride everywhere, do everything
2. Workcycles Fr8 - go anywhere around town with 1-3 kids.

But I fantasize about a "gofast"(er than the Appaloosa) like an old UJB 
with good clearance, or a fancier low trail randonneur bike. I almost never 
make it to single track biking, but I also fantasize about having a bike to 
do that with, nothing out of this world, but like a 1x10 650b bike with 3" 
tires.

After having so many kids bikes in 12", 16", 20", 24", 26" and 700 and 
trying them to make them either like my appaloosa or like the racy bikes 
they want, I have concluded that going forward the most practical thing for 
middle schoolers and up is a "monster cross" type cross bike that can take 
45mm tires and drop bars and go anywhere. But that might be another thread: 
"how to keep your kids to one bike per kid"!

Edwin

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 8:41:20 AM UTC-5, Jim S. wrote:
>
> This is an interesting question. I have a wife and 5 kids. In our garage 
> there are, I dunno, 20 bikes or so. The kids all have 2, and there are a 
> couple that are in-between kids. My wife and I each have 4, plus there's a 
> Brompton. Hell, I guess there must be more than 20.
>
> With that said, I frequently get questions like this: (from crabby 
> mother-in-law and also visitors to our back yard who can see into the 
> garage) "How many bikes do you have?" with a tone suggesting that having a 
> garage full of bikes is somehow inappropriate for some reason. 
>
> In response, I feel a need to understate the number of our bikes. 
>
> Upon reflection, I'm not sure why I feel this way. Maybe it's my own 
> insecurity.
>
> But there are many other items one might own that no one would question - 
> i.e., a $70,000 SUV for instance. 
>
>
> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:24:18 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks:
>>
>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
>> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
>> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>
>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
>> you own them? 
>>
>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
>> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
>> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
>> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for 
>> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
>> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of 
>> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
>> doesn't get used very often.
>>
>> Current Stable:
>>
>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
>> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
>> allows/inspires it.
>>
>> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
>> flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. 
>> I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
>> geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
>> with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for 
>> expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
>> than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
>> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
>> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>>
>> How about you?
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Edwin W]

[image: “The two things that really drew me to vinyl were the expense and 
the inconvenience.”]
“The two things that really drew me to vinyl were the expense and the 
inconvenience.”
http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a19180

Friction shifting and vinyl spinning in Music City,

Edwin


On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 9:29:46 AM UTC-5, Jim S. wrote:
>
> I have been reading a new book that might be of interest to group members: 
> *The 
> Revenge of Analog *by David Sax. So far, the author has discussed the 
> revival of vinyl records just when it appeared that the MP3 had conquered 
> vinyl forever. I think he's going to take it to other areas as well.
>
> I see parallels between a preference for vinyl records and a preference 
> for friction shifting, among other things. (It could be that I just spend 
> too much time thinking about bikes.)
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Car Bike Rack

[Edwin W]

I've got the Yakima Two Timer  on the back 
for two bikes - works great with a wide variety of bikes, downtubes, 
heights, fenders, tire width, wheel size, etc
I've got the Yakima Raptoraero  on the 
roof which works with a pretty wide range of bikes, too... also doesn't 
mind fenders, no break down of bike needed, etc...

If I need more than three bikes, I have put a folding trailabike and 
folding Dahon in the back.

I don't like the feel of driving most cars with four bikes hanging off the 
back, but some cars are better than others.

Costs can add up
Put a hitch on your car for $150 at Uhaul (they threw it in with the car)
Rear rack for $300
Put bars on top for $200 or so (came with the car, luckily)
Rack on top $150 (I found one on CL)

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Edwin W]

Didn't you say you were near Las Vegas?

For $100 you can have a spare bike:
https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/bik/6010365904.html

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: MUSA pre-order

[Edwin W]

I'll bet they've never heard this contrastive crotch color conundrum before. 
Someone on the design team thought it was a good idea and it went forward. With 
this feedback I bet the next batch won't have that!

And let's hope there is a next batch. 

The only "problem" with the MUSA shorts I have (dark blue early style with same 
color crotch and grey newer style with blue crotch) is that they last so long. 
How can a business hope to sell new stuff when each piece lasts so long?

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[Edwin W]

I like the idea of "if you heard about it from Riv and they sell it, buy it 
from them as a courtesy." The (usually small) increase in price is worth 
the mountains of advice I have received from them and you all. "Tuition 
comes in many forms," as my friend's dad says.

I guess they have to limit how many different models they can stock. I was 
impressed by the ones on the complete Appaloosas I saw at RBW HQ, but Riv 
doesn't sell those. The NP2, I think.

Edwin

On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 3:29:09 PM UTC-6, Glen wrote:
>
> Steep and Cheap has VP-001 and Vice along with some others on sale right 
> now.
>
> $33 for the 001s and $30 for the Vices
>
> There was a discussion about the Shimano A530s on here a while ago, they 
> are on sale too.
>
> www.steepandcheap.com 
>
>

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[RBW] Rivsters Rock

[Edwin W]

Caught a few songs from the band Lylas  at our local 
record shop Grimeys  a few weeks ago. Drums and 
guitar ride Rivs and rock!
Not common to have three Riv owners in the same room in Nashville!

Yours from Music City,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[Edwin W]

Having owned both, I would say the major differences are tire width, chain stay 
length and brake style. And of course color. I know the Appaloosa is billed 
more as a touring bike, but I haven't heard of anyone feeling the Sam to be too 
flimsy for touring!

Currently with an Appaloosa for tire width flexibility. 

Edwin

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[RBW] PSA: A/R on Craigslist

[Edwin W]

I may be cheap, but I do think all bikes over three thousand dollars should be 
shiny, new, or both. 

Cool bike, though. 

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Huge Rosco Mixte

[Edwin W]

God, I am looking for a hint of a way to justify this! Sounds so cool.
If I didn't get a Joe last year...
If I were big enough

Can't wait to see these. That got me to review the other Bosco offerings 
and I thought this 
one
 
would be cool for my wife or someone else around the house, but REALLY 
don't need to introduce another wheel size to our basement that has 16" 
kids, 20" kids bike waiting for the kid to grow, 20" folder, 24" kid, 26" 
kid, and 700c adult bikes. 

Working on my mantra, "no new bikes this year" and struggling in the second 
of 52 weeks,

Edwin
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 2:28:08 PM UTC-6, MartyG wrote:
>
> Pre-ordered one of the big ones! Can't see a single compromise to this 
> being a real winner - unless you call waiting until summer for delivery a 
> compromise. Looks to be an all-grown-up all-rounder if there ever was one. 
>
> Can't wait to see pics. And color. And a delivery notice.
>

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[RBW] Re: Best of 2016

[Edwin W]

Looking through my pictures I didn't have too many of this year!
Here are a few. A few fun rides with sons and 
friends, though most of my miles are going from A to B alone, and quite 
unremarkable!

On Sunday, January 1, 2017 at 7:40:53 PM UTC-6, stonehog wrote:
>
> It feels like the time of year to post your "best of 2016" - are ya with 
> me??  OK - I'll start it off with the obligatory blog post (dwindling these 
> days):  https://stonehog.com/2016/12/31/2016-redux 
>
> And Flickr album: https://flic.kr/s/aHskRBkZQ9
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
> Bike Blog 
> @stonehog
> stonehogboɥǝuoʇs
>

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[RBW] Re: Musa Mitts

[Edwin W]

I brought mine on a ride the other day with my 10 year old. It got a little 
cold and I offered them to him. He cracked up looking at them! He accepted the 
gloves I was wearing and I took the half mitts. Worked like a charm. 

They are up there with splats, ponchos and the wind bib thing on high 
practicality, low fashion scale. I have two ponchos, none of the others. 

Edwin

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[RBW] Appaloosa gets new bars and a hub

[Edwin W]

Joe,

The hub looks good, it is the stem that has to go!
Seriously, great looking bike. 
Yours in Albaloosa land,

Edwin 

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Edwin W]

There is even a blue lift-a-tube bike in Nashville!
http://nashville.craigslist.org/bik/5921767706.html

In Nashville, where there are not many Riv-ish bikes,

Edwin

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 5:37:22 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Edwin W]

In fact, post some photos even if it is not completely built up!

Curious in Nashville,

Edwin

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 2:59:35 PM UTC-6, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Congratulations on the new bike!  Post some photos once you have that bad 
> boy built up 

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[RBW] Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Edwin W]

I know most of you do not... but here is a good article 

 
about why buying a more expensive version of something (happens to be a 
bike, and a Moots) can be the right decision.

Edwin

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[RBW] Sticky Pletscher Twin Legged Kickstand

[Edwin W]

My kickstand seems to be losing it's "snap" when going up or down. Anyone 
had this? Oil? Grease? Where exactly?

It is not just the cold, but it is chilly here, for Nashville!

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: MUSA? Completely gone? Coming back?

[Edwin W]

Garth,

I didn't like the pants at first. A bit baggy, didn't like the look. I 
didn't mind the reflectors, and my generation has zippers instead of velcro.
Over time, I have come to appreciate them for super casual uses: biking and 
camping, mostly. And for that they are great. Super comfy and don't take up 
much space so I might throw them on for a road trip as I did over 
Thanksgiving. 

Edwin

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 7:16:26 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>   The pants seemed a bit odd to me.  For one, for a company  that promotes 
> wearing "normal" clothes the pants with the reflectors and large velcro 
> straps reminded me of a fireman's pant,  not a "normal" looking pant at 
> all.  For comparison, he Compass knicker looks like a  normal knicker 
> anyone would wear any place. 
>
>The cut of them could be improved too, a good pair of pants is as well 
> thought out as a say a good frame is.  Can you please everyone ?  Yes, 
> absolutely, and the idea that you cannot is nonsensical.
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA? Completely gone? Coming back?

[Edwin W]

Garth,

I didn't like the pants at first. A bit baggy, didn't like the look. I 
didn't mind the reflectors, and my generation has zippers instead of velcro.
Over time, I have come to appreciate them for super casual uses: biking and 
camping, mostly. And for that they are great. Super comfy and don't take up 
much space so I might throw them on for a road trip as I did over 
Thanksgiving. 

Edwin

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 7:16:26 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>   The pants seemed a bit odd to me.  For one, for a company  that promotes 
> wearing "normal" clothes the pants with the reflectors and large velcro 
> straps reminded me of a fireman's pant,  not a "normal" looking pant at 
> all.  For comparison, he Compass knicker looks like a  normal knicker 
> anyone would wear any place. 
>
>The cut of them could be improved too, a good pair of pants is as well 
> thought out as a say a good frame is.  Can you please everyone ?  Yes, 
> absolutely, and the idea that you cannot is nonsensical.
>

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[RBW] Re: News around today's RBWHQ visit

[Edwin W]

Bill,

I have seen you write about the quest for these two bikes, but am hazy on 
the details. Can you let us know why you are getting these two bikes, and 
what you are going to do with them?

I like the look of both and can't wait to see your color.

On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 1:20:14 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Today I visited RBW headquarters to order a frameset.  This year I sold 
> two 700c Rivendells (a 58cm Atlantis and a 55cm Appaloosa) in order to help 
> pay for two 650B Rivendells.  I mocked up both of the 650B candidates to my 
> saddle height (75.5cm) and took the canonical garage door photo of each:  
>
>
> 
>
> 56cm 650B Atlantis
>
>
>
> 
>
> 53cm 650B Hunqapillar
>
>
> Notably the Atlantis was wearing 27.5 x ~2.2" knobbies, which made it look 
> super butch.  That's the main reason I'm sharing the photo(s) because that 
> 2017 Fat-Lantis is a bit of a novelty.  The 53cm Hunqapillar is a little 
> bit of a downsize for me, but I think that would be my son's go-to bike 
> when we do S24Os together, and he's an inch or two shorter than me and not 
> likely to get to 5'-10".  
>
>
> So, I went ahead and ordered the Atlantis, which is exciting.  I went with 
> a small upcharge to order a non-standard but Waterford stock color.  I will 
> keep it a secret, but I promise it is not a unique Atlantis color.  One of 
> you has an Atlantis that I am blatantly copying, because it looks so darn 
> good.  
>
>
> I was expecting a not-too-long turnaround, but Will explained to me that 
> everybody from Waterford takes massive time off for deer-hunting season! 
>  That cracked me up.  Anyway, now is just about the worst time for frame 
> turnaround from those good Wisconsinites.  No harm done to me, as I've got 
> plenty of other bikes to tide me over, but be warned if you are going to 
> order something, that you will be well into Spring before you get it.  
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

[Edwin W]

I think it is all about tire clearance. Want more? Joe Appaloosa. Ok with 
40mm (give or take, fenders or not), Sam could be your bike.

And of course color preference - you gotta have a color bike you like!

First Sam, now Appaloosa riding,

Edwin

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 4:40:05 PM UTC-6, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>
> Visited Rivendell HQ earlier this week.  It was really hard to squeeze 
> time for it, but I thought I owed myself a ride on a real Riv before 
> committing to San Marcos project.  It was a lovely experience.  Had planned 
> on spending an hour.   Ended up spending more than 4 hours ;).   I was 
> discussing Sam H vs San M with one of the associates.  At some point Grant 
> yelled from his office "Sam is just better".Rode 51cm Sam for an hour. 
>  In the end my feeling was that there just can't be a single way Marcos 
> could possibly better.   
>
> I should have purchased a Sam frame and left.  I was curious about the 
> Choco-Moose bar that was on a Jeo.  To try the handlebar I took Joe for a 
> quick ride.  What a mistake :D   Joe was quite different and felt strangely 
> pleasant.  
>
> It was getting late, so I left decision pending.
>
> The color might also have played a role why I didn't decide on Sam then 
> and there.  While I loved Sam, I didn't like the new Orange color.I 
> like the blue color of Joe.  Looking at Joe's geometry though, 46cm seems 
> to be my size (PBH 81cm) which has 26" wheel.  Aesthetically I don't prefer 
> wheels that small.  
>
> Here's my planned usage for the new bike: Ride to work once a week (46 
> miles roundtrip).  Around the town, farmers market.  Weekend overnight 
> camping rides 4-5 times a year.   Sometime in next 5 years I'm hoping to 
> ride on Dalton Highway for a week to 10 days.
>
> Thoughts on which way I should go?  
> Will 51cm Joe (which works with 650B) be too big for me?
> If I want a blue Sam, how frequently such frames show up on the used 
> market?
>
> Thanks!
>
> PS: my posts making through moderator approval has been a hit or miss. 
>  Really hoping this one gets a pass!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone seen that Rosco Bunbaloosa in person?

[Edwin W]

Cool bike! A Tough-ee Mixt-e.

What is the thinking on the horizontal rear dropouts? I forgot. I know Riv 
in general is not into (haha) internal gear hubs... a single speed?

Edwin

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:54:51 PM UTC-6, Brencho wrote:
>
> yeah i rode it last week. pretty sweet bike! 650b wheels with good 
> clearance. here's a picture, or it didn't happen:
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 9:00:31 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Charlie R, 
>>
>> Who did you email?  If it were me I would call them. If I didn't want to 
>> call them I would probably use Brian first for all the emails I used to 
>> send Keven. For that particular bike I happen to know that Will had a hand 
>> in the design, so emailing Will with a couple compliments ought to get a 
>> promptish response. CC Roman just in case Will is out. If that's all too 
>> confusing pick up the phone. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Drop bars for a kid: help me out.

[Edwin W]

You all have not cleared it up AT ALL, but I got a bunch of ideas to ponder.
Jeremy - I love the bar you mentioned and will look into it. I had 
originally tried a dirt drop when I first got the bike, but the quill was 
too long for the short head tube. I looked into the Kalloy/Sunlite 
versions, but heard they are not good for twisting and turning drop bars 
into them. Also, I had never heard of travel agents and educated myself on 
those. Would let me use the drop levers I have now. Hmm
Joe and Ryan... you have me all over our local CL, which of course is one 
of my favorite activities. What's one more kids bike when you have three 
kids and I think my wife could ride the Clem more than she does.
Joe - brifters? Have you gone off of your Rivendell rocker??? I'm kidding 
of course... maybe he would dig those, but he has survived on the 1x8 stem 
mounted friction shifter so far, I think we could stick with that theme.
Sky - I love the lil' LHT. At our LBS the other day he rode the little flat 
bar cross check 1x, which I loved.. mostly because it is quite similar to 
his Clem 1x8! He did ride a 46 All City single speed cross bike which was 
cool, though out of our price range. What was off with the 520 fit?

Continuing to ponder with one month until Christmas,

Edwin

On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 9:50:04 AM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I got a little Clem for my kids last year when they came out. It is a 
> great bike. My oldest son has been riding it BUT  has just been so enamored 
> by drop bars on bikes whenever he sees them. He does not QUITE appreciate 
> how cool his bob-ish setup on the Clem is, no matter how many times the 
> bike shop staff or I tell him! 
> Right now we have VO tourist bars 
> <http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-tourist-handlebar-22-2-dia.html> 
> on 
> an 80mm stem.
> Question - if I want to have him try drop bars should I:
>
> Put some drops on the Clem, with a dirt drop style or shorter stem
>
> or is it too long in the top tube and not practical and not what it was 
> designed for and:
>
> Get a small used drop bar bike off of CL and let him play around with that?
>
> Thoughts from this smart group??
>
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Drop bars for a kid: help me out.

[Edwin W]

I got a little Clem for my kids last year when they came out. It is a great 
bike. My oldest son has been riding it BUT  has just been so enamored by 
drop bars on bikes whenever he sees them. He does not QUITE appreciate how 
cool his bob-ish setup on the Clem is, no matter how many times the bike 
shop staff or I tell him! 
Right now we have VO tourist bars 
 on 
an 80mm stem.
Question - if I want to have him try drop bars should I:

Put some drops on the Clem, with a dirt drop style or shorter stem

or is it too long in the top tube and not practical and not what it was 
designed for and:

Get a small used drop bar bike off of CL and let him play around with that?

Thoughts from this smart group??


Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Edwin W]

They are just so durned good looking I am trying to figure out where I 
could put them! Ornamentation!
Might try a single stem shifter on my 1x8 Appaloosa.

Bill (and anyone else): What are good options for mounting a single one on 
a nitto stem?

On Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 3:20:42 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> On October 28th, there were 73 pairs of Silver 1 shifters remaining.  Now 
> there are 64.  At a sell-rate of about 10 per week, they'll be gone by 
> Christmas.  
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] New BLUG post! Frank Jones Sr

[Edwin W]

Heh

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Taking Risks

[Edwin W]

Once a year or so I will forget a lock or key. I typically ask to take it 
inside with that explanation. And then I don't forget for several months!
Here in Nashville, probably like where you are, there is little bike culture 
and the one good thing is little bike THEFT culture. 
Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

[Edwin W]

My clicks like that have all been pedal bearing related... but you want to 
rule out shoelaces and pannier cords first!

On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 6:57:30 AM UTC-5, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> I could use the collective wisdom of the group...
>
> I have clicking sound that is driving me to distraction. It occurs on my 
> SimpleOne when I pedal. Sounds like one click per pedal rotation and it's 
> especially bad when I'm cranking down hard...as when I'm powering up a 
> hill. I'm pretty sure it's coming from the crank area. Two issues add to 
> the mystery:
>
> 1. Everything is new. Brand new Shimano UN55 bottom bracket and new Sugino 
> XD2 crankset/chainrings. While it was my first bottom bracket install, I 
> think everything went smoothly. Drive side threaded in almost all the way 
> by hand without a problem. Non-drive side was a bit tougher, and I needed a 
> wrench, but I attributed it to the anti-seize tape that they cover the 
> threads with on that side. Cranked everything down by hand with a big o' 
> wrench ala the Riv video and torqued the crank bolts to the proper specs. 
>
> 2. This has happened twice before. My previous commuter, an old Trek 
> converted to single speed had the same problem. Brand new Shimano UN55 
> installed by my LBS. Started clicking after 10 miles or so and never 
> stopped. And the previous BB/crank on the SimpleOne had the same noise, 
> albeit louder.
>
> Any suggestions? Has anyone run into a similar problem before? I'm fairly 
> new to fixed/ss. Am I missing something?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
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[RBW] Re: PSA: b17 select sale at bike-discount.de

[Edwin W]

I've always wanted one of those selects. Thanks for the tip.

On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 9:07:47 PM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> If anyone is interested in getting one of these while they're still 
> available, bike-discount.de is selling the b17 select for 95 usd.  I got 
> one a couple weeks ago and they disappeared off the site but are back on 
> now.
>
>
> http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/brooks-b17-select-saddle-men-530660/wg_id-1499
>
> Sky in new west.
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Re: [RBW] Re: HELP!

[Edwin W]

Peter White saves the day again, and again. 
Good retailers are SO worth it!!

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Sam fender clearance

[Edwin W]

I had the VO 50mm snakeskins on my sidepull 60cm Sam and did not notice any 
problems. I ran Panaracer pasela 35s under them I think.  I now have them 
on my Appaloosa but I am going to move up to Berthoud 60mm, which I am sure 
you were all dying to know.

Edwin

On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 9:08:33 AM UTC-5, Ian Wilder wrote:
>
> I'm sure this is something that's been touched on before, but does anyone 
> have a read on Sidepull Sam's max fender clearance. Plan on running Barlow 
> Pass's under a 45mm or 52mm on Atlas rims with Paul Racer brakes. Want to 
> have wiggle room for other tires so would love to be able to fit the 52's. 
>
> Thanks! 
>
>

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